WEBVTT - Two Jersey Js: Let’s Get Sweaty 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.120 Hey, everyone, it's Jackie Goldschneider and Ensler and we are 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:07.680 two Jersey Jays. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.840 Hi, guys, how's everyone? We haven't even seen each other. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.560 I know Jackie has come back to us from Italy. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.800 I was only there for six days, but it was magical. Yeah, 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:20.840 I haven't been well. I keep saying I haven't been 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:22.600 to Europe. I went to Dublin on the show last year, 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.760 and I keep forgetting because you know that was like show, but. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.400 You mean ever you've never been. I haven't been since 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.560 my honeymoon in Italy. It was amazing. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.320 I said to Evan, as soon as the kids are 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.800 all in college, I want to go for like eight weeks, 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.680 get a in a villa in Tuscany, right and kind 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:43.760 of know in Rome, love with people. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.080 Yes, I think it's the only place in Italy that 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.319 actually haven't been mm hm, because we've spent a lot 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.800 of time there with them without the kids. It was 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.520 I know, I always hear that you were aware Vietnam, Right, 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:59.200 I went to Vietnam. That's insane, which was over the top, 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.320 you know. Jeff suggested it for our anniversary we hit 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:04.320 twenty five years. 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.000 Oh congrat thank you God. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.679 So he had suggested it, and I had heard people 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.000 like saying how beautiful it was. And obviously there's so 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.600 much history. I'm not really a history buff, but I 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.360 just heard that it was so unreal and different. And 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.920 the truth is, it felt like I was, you know, 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.920 on a different planet, and that was part of what 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.679 was so great about it. It's just, you know, it's 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.480 like it was like sensory overload, and it was so beautiful, 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:34.240 and there's. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.600 So much history. You know. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:41.839 I was like stepping in tunnels where the Vietcong had, 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.639 you know, conducted there the whole war. And the people, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:51.080 the Vietnamese to these people are the nicest, really kindest people. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.960 I mean, there's so much poverty in the country, and 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.040 but our guide was telling us there's really not a 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:58.840 lot of depression. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.559 There's very little crime. It's a communist country. 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.320 They don't you know, if you get caught dealing drugs, 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.200 you're executed. It's also there's just so much history and 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.760 there's so much beauty. We went we cruised Hawong Bay, 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.880 which is like one of the Seven Wonders of the World, 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.160 and we went to Saigon, which is like going to 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.080 New York City, and we ate like our body weight 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.519 in fu, which is like yeah, yeah, like the noodles, 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.720 and it was just I don't know, it was just 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.119 really amazing and it was nice to get just out 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:29.960 of town and get some perspective. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:31.160 Yeah, do you feel like that that. 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:32.919 I agree with that. I'm so interested when you just 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.840 said there's no depression. I know, like mental health I 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.239 don't know about in the United States. I think mental 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.480 health is so much better. And you know, I've been 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.679 listening to all these other podcasts lately about because I 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.320 want to understand food. I really do, Like I never 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.600 understood food. I always just stayed away from it. The 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.320 first like quarter of my life. I just ate, like 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.200 not knowing anything, just ate and ate and eat, and 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.640 then I stopped eating. So I'm at this point now 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.720 where I want to understand what food to you because 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:02.360 I really want to get to a place where like 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.240 full enjoyment, full recovery, full everything. And a lot of 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.720 what I'm listening to is talking about what the like 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.760 the gut and how the gut impacts everything and like 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.360 well process foods due to your hormones and your gut 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.200 and your brain and all those connections. So I'm kind 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:20.280 of into that right now. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.880 So well, when we travel, Jeff and I are foodies. 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:25.440 And when I say foodies, I don't mean that we 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.320 only want to go to Michelin Star restaurants. I mean 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.959 we love to eat, like we can base whole vacations 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:34.880 around that. The three meals a day. But that was 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.320 part of what was so amazing is that the food 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.360 is so different in terms of the depression. That was 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.839 what one guide said to us, and we had three 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:48.800 different guides. So when we woke up one morning, we 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.720 literally went outside it I don't know, seven thirty because 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.640 weet a pack day, and everyone was out and about 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.720 in the square in I think we were in Hanoi, Hanoi. 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:01.400 I'm still not pronouncing it correctly, probably, but anyway, and 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.000 exercising and old people, young people, music playing, but not 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.840 exercising in like a frenetic way. Like it didn't seem 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.960 like anybody was exercising to burn calories. People were either 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:15.840 playing paddleball or they were doing tai chi, or they 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.480 were doing sort of like a line dance, you know, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.080 and just with each other and laughing, and it was 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:25.000 really really cool to see. Like I don't I personally 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.640 because I always hated exercise. I don't think of exercise 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.120 like that, but that's how exercise sort of is there 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:31.680 outside of. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.800 The United States. Sh It's really different. And just a 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.840 quick question if you don't mind, not at all. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.720 So, being on ozembic, did you find that you could 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.120 eat all the things that you wanted to eat? 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:42.760 Or did you get like full and sick? 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.440 No, truth be told. I stopped taking it. Well, I 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:47.800 wasn't I was going to be there longer, so I 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.880 didn't want to take it with me. Oh so because 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.760 someone wanted I didn't need to travel with it and 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:57.039 travel with needles and whatever else. But and I'd stopped 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.440 taking taking it the week before just because because of 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:01.839 that reason, Like I wanted to have. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.880 I wanted my entire appetite. I still do. 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:06.919 I still eat and enjoy, but like, but it doesn't 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.159 want any like it stays in you. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.279 I ate a lot and I loved every minute of it. 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.320 It was amazing. And by the way, speaking of eating, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:15.960 I do want to know about the pizza. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.000 Oh, the pizza. I don't know if you guys know, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.520 it was really good. So the backstory of the pizza. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.960 So you know that I've recovered from anorexia I was 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:28.240 anorexic for eighteen years, and even though I recovered, I 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:32.440 still had a lot of disordered eating, So not an 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.240 eating disorder, but disordered eating where I was afraid of 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.640 a lot of foods And so I was eating enough, 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:39.880 I was eating enough calories, and I was eating real 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.680 foods now, but I I was still scared of a 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.800 lot of foods. And right at the very tip top 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.920 of that list was pizza. I have not had pizza 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:50.320 since nineteen ninety eight. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:50.919 Wow. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:55.040 Yeah, So I figured, let me have my first piece 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.679 in Well. I was going to do it in Naples, 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.440 but then that didn't end up working out, so I 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:01.200 had it in Rome. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:01.559 Okay. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.760 And the kids were really like supportive, except for Hudson. 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.919 Love Hudson Dearly so cute. But the whole time he 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.000 was like, why are you recording this? Who gives a 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.160 shit if pizza? Why don't you just eat the pizza? 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.279 If you want the pizza, just eat the pizza. Why 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:18.960 don't we have to record it? Like he was touch 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:19.520 a little old. 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:22.200 How old is he gets? Thirteen? 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:22.560 Right? 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:22.880 Yeah? 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.000 And he was such a little jerk about it. Oh 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.640 but he was so cute, he was cute. Oh but anyway. Yeah, 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.240 the kids, except for Hudson, were very supportive. And because 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.200 I've never seen me eat pizza before and I've taken 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:36.880 a number pizza a million times and never had it 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:37.240 with them. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.680 Have they think that they internalized it? Like they they 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:40.080 know that. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.440 You have think my older ones understood what was going on. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.440 And Jonas and I shared one and it was great. 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.200 I really ate out of my comfort zone in Italy 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.960 and it was great. A little scary for me. I 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.520 do have this fear. Listen, I have a fear regularly 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.039 of gaining weight. But with every everyone around me so 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:05.719 thin right now, it's compounded, right, so, but it didn't 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:06.720 hold me back. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.360 And I really I ate very freely. And let me 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:14.040 ask you, that was the pizza? Did it live up to? 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.960 You know, you have this, I'm sure, this crazy image 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.880 of it and how amazing it is and yet how 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.800 restricted you have to be around it, And did it 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:24.480 live up to? 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:25.440 Yeah? 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:25.720 It was. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.880 It was pretty damn good. It wasn't like my favorite thing. Ever. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.440 Yeah, I don't think that I'm going to be like 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.960 a pizza fishing auto, but maybe I haven't had like 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.360 enough pizza. I'll tell you the best thing that I 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.280 had there was I also haven't drank orange juice in 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:40.280 about thirty years. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:40.960 I had. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.680 A blood orange juice and it was like it wasn't 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.920 even it was like a red It was so unbelievable. 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.360 It was like eating candy. It was. I had a 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.080 lot of things there that were just outstanding. If you're 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:55.400 going to go somewhere to eat, it's certainly going to 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.240 be Italy. Yeah. Yeah, but it was great. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:58.240 It was fabulous. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.440 And now I'm back in New Jersey, then most place 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:01.880 on earth. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:14.600 Let's not be silly. And that gets your buslers, all right, 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:19.640 you guys. So, uh, today, of all things, we are 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.440 talking about something that I've gone through. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:28.160 Jackie is probably going getting through it. I I'm not sure. 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.600 Well, this is a really sexy, sexy topic today. We 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:35.000 are talking menopause. Menopause, and I'll tell you how it 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.400 ties in. I was with some friends last weekend and 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.120 one of them just finished menopause and she said, I 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.760 used to know how to lose weight when I wanted to, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.040 and now my body holds onto everything. 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.520 Yeah that's menopause. Yeah, And that scared the shit out 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.160 of me. And I will say I don't know that 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.640 much about menopause because I haven't entered it yet, I 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.120 don't think, and I am scared shitless because of all 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.120 the things that I have heard. Well, i'll tell you 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.439 you as somebody who's now postmenopausal, I don't know where exactly, 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.400 and our guests can maybe talk us through that where 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.560 you change from being in menopause to post menopause. But 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:13.040 I at fifty one, I had my last period, like 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.920 exactly at fifty, like my birthday, like in August of 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.320 my fiftieth year, and I didn't have it for another year. 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.600 So I've been in menopause and now postmenopausal for quite 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.640 some time. I don't know that it's the weight gain 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.920 is as dramatic or has been as scary to me. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.880 I always had issues with my weight anyway, So but 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:39.359 there's so much about it that's difficult. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:40.600 There's also I have. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.160 I was talking about it actually during the past oversay 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:44.599 or with my cousins because they always want to know 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.640 what we're going to talk about on our next podcast, 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.280 And my cousin Debbie was like, the menopause is the greatest, 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:56.800 Like I love not getting my period, and I kind 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.560 of feel like I think at one point I felt 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:00.040 a little. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.520 About not getting my period anymore, just. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:08.800 In the sense that, like, I'm really getting older and I, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.800 even if I wanted to have a baby, which I 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:16.880 didn't to was always my number, I couldn't and like 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.560 that felt a little sad to me, you know, and 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.640 sort of what goes along with this, right, there is 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:30.400 certainly a deterioration and not what do you mean a 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:35.000 deterioration physically, Yes, of your body. And so I guess 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.360 maybe our guest will enlighten us a little bit on that. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.520 But things start to happen, and especially in this day 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.040 and age, when you can do so much about your 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:47.199 outward physical appearance, right, and you can have like, as 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:51.280 I know very well, surgeries and lasers and you know, 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.920 you can exercise and you can do all of this 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:58.960 stuff to look young, but you can't stop the clock. Yes, 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.920 So it's like you know, and I'm we could talk 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:07.000 about this also with our expert. But at the beginning 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.040 of it, the joint pain was really bad. 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.360 Oh, I didn't even know about that. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.800 Yeah, I'm scared of all the other shit that I've 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:18.000 heard about her, you know, about like the that you 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:19.120 don't sleep well. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.480 I always sleep well. Oh, okay, and it's different for everyone. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.360 So oh yeah, I could sleep anywhere any time period, 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.600 Like Jeff's like there's twenty four hours in the day, 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.640 you sleep twenty five. But the sweats and you remember 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:33.240 Jack on the. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.680 Show, Oh my god, so can I tell everybody sweet. 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:41.320 One of the very first times that Jen filmed with 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.760 me for the show, it was at Margaret's house. Yeah, 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.920 we were playing like a game night and it was 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:52.880 and Chen shows up and she is just sweating room. 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:57.400 It was horbying, horb Margaret was just drying. Yes, the 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.000 whole season. Oh my god. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.280 Remember the one when we did at Dolores's house and 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:03.440 when she told me we were going to go to 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.640 Ireland and that you just saw me just fanning myself 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.880 with like a paper plate. Yeah, and that's a lot people, 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.640 at least my friends and family and people that have 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:14.720 gone through it and are going through it. That's the 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:19.400 biggest complaint usually is not just night sweats, but hot flashes. 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:20.720 So that's really hard to deal with. 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.360 Although now I've now I'm on estrogen and so I'm 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.680 in a different place or hormone replacement. But also, I 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.280 mean it's not just listen, I can bring that perspective 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.839 to it. But also I think our our hosts may 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.640 tell you that you're in peri menopause, like whether or 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:36.760 not you know it. 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.040 Maybe I don't know because I haven't gotten my period 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:44.520 in twenty years. So I write my period with anorexia, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.160 and I never got it back right, So I don't 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:51.080 know if I'm if I'm in Perry pre I don't 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.120 know the difference between any of them. I have so 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:58.000 many questions. Our expert is quite an expert. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.200 Yes, by the way, she is. 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:04.240 Her knee is doctor Wendy Chorney. She's a doctor of 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.720 physical therapy who's been taking care of women for over 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.200 twenty years. She specializes in the treatment of pelvic pain, 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:16.000 pre and post surgery, pregnancy related pain issues, EDS, sexual dysfunction, 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:17.559 and orthopedics. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:18.000 Yep. 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.560 She's a practicing clinician, educator, and author, and she is 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.240 the menopause expert. 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.080 We did you watch the TikTok? She has a TikTok 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.800 episode what do you call a TikTok? I don't know. 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.680 Thing that got like one over one million views, and 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.080 it's like it's about menopause, but it's about Perry and 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:43.000 then post and so just watching it for me, I 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.160 because I've just recently heard about doctor Wendy, and I 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.960 was like all in as soon as I started listening 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.400 to it. It's just so interesting how women it's not, 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:55.520 you know, a one year thing, it's it is. It 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.760 goes on for quite some time. It starts probably before 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.800 you would think, and doesn't kind of stop. Really, I 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.920 mean postmenopause, I guess goes on forever. But and there's 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.840 so many changes, and I think it's now becoming this 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:12.000 multimillion dollar industry like it hasn't. I don't think menopause 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.360 has been talked about in the past like it's being 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:15.160 talked about now. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:16.360 Oh no, for sure. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.760 I mean you google menopause and like a million things 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.360 come up, right, There's there's quite a few experts, but 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.520 no one like doctor Wendy. So I'm very excited. I'm 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.360 going to pepper her with questions. All right, so are 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.080 you ready for doctor Wendy. We're ready for doctor Wendy. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:30.760 Let's talk there. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.640 Hey, Hi Wendy, Hi Wendy Wendy. We are absolutely so 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.880 happy to have you. I don't think I've ever spoken 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.880 to a menopause expert. You, I mean, you are you're 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:41.800 a menopause expert. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:46.200 Yes, well, so by default what happened was, I'm you know, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.760 a doctor, Wendy Turney. I'm a physical therapist. I specialize 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.720 the women's health. I specialize in all the things that 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:55.840 happen to women postpartum, your sie, joint, your joints, muscle pain, whatever. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.360 But I started to notice my population aging and then 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.440 oh my gosh, joint pain, frozen shoulder, planar fresh itis. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.240 Their hair was thinning, their skin, and like, I take 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.520 care of women for net pain. And I was holding 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.280 the heads of all these women as they're crying, and 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.520 I'm like, okay, can a fiscal therapist be a menopause specialist? 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:19.000 And the answer is yes. I don't prescribe hormones, but 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.600 I can help you in your lifestyle modifications, point you 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.320 in the direction of the doctor that will prescribe you hormones, 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:30.040 answer all the questions. So it sounds like I'm basically, yeah, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.520 best friend with all the answers, and I'll just point 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.040 you where you need to go. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:37.160 Oh my goodness. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.800 Well, let me just preface by saying that Jen and 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.760 I are in two very interesting positions in life. So 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.760 I have not yet entered menopause as far as I know, 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:48.040 and Jen. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.240 Is on other side, Harry menopause. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.720 I don't really know what that means. Can you clear 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:54.200 it all up? 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.800 What is pre menopause, perimenopause, postmenopause, like, what is all 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:58.880 of it? 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.080 Well, so here's the thing I think if we talk 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.200 about it like as a general definition. First, so menopause 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.960 by technical medical definition is three hundred and sixty five 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.000 days since your last period. That is when you have 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.280 reached menopause. But here's the joke bee kind of part 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:18.640 that nobody knows. Perimenopause is seven to ten years prior, 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.440 and perimenopause is like seven to ten and it has 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.640 two different brackets, So there's early and then there's late 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:31.040 and late perimenopause is when you have those period changes 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.680 in vasomotor symptoms, and that's when people think, oh, that 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:38.240 must be menopause, but it is even earlier. There are 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.680 many other symptoms. So then you reach menopause like the 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.960 one day, and then there's post menopause, and even postmenopause 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:49.000 has early and late, and early postmenopause can have the 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:53.600 bvasomotor symptoms like those hots like burning within the inside 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.400 for a few seconds to a few minutes to not 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.360 being able to sleep, frozen shoulder joint pain. So like 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:01.960 it's a it's a transition. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.800 What is I'm sorry why I don't I don't mean 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:05.840 to cut up, but I just want to make sure 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.240 I ask this because I'm confused. So menopause as opposed 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.560 to perry or post does it only last that day? 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.840 Like when I reached the year, I was in menopause 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.520 that day and then I was postmenopause. Yes, kind of 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.600 only menopause for a day. News, everybody menopause last day. 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.000 It's like the menopause. You should celevate that. It's like 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.159 the menopause transition though, is what people don't realize. And 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.800 then like perimenopause is early and late. There's like two 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:35.760 separate sections, and then postmenopause is two separate sections. And 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.480 the ten years like in the middle. So the five 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.840 years before menopause and the five years after menopause is 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.880 when all the worst changes happen. Interesting, well, like it's 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.880 a bigger spectrum. And so once you're five, let's say 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.760 three to five years post menopause, I'm five, your hormones 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.600 are yeah, so your hormones are much more stable. So 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.000 mentally you are better. You are clear, you know who 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.280 you are. You will fight the war and have zero 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:03.040 problems doing it. Speak your mind. Your bone density might 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.840 have shifted, it might not be the best. So this 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.760 is where we like lean into your lifestyle modifications of 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.639 we need to lift to keep that bone mass, we 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.479 need to walk to keep our heart healthy. You need 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.919 to moisturize everything under the sun. You know, like it 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.840 is kind of a different game, and we fight hard. 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:28.560 So let me absolutely in late Pree is pre pre 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:29.159 is Perry. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:35.520 Parry in late is in late Perry and early. 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.639 Posts is when you're gonna have most of the symptoms correct. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.679 The ones that are most commonly known. Yeah, so like 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:48.560 early perimenopause could be things like heart palpitations, anxiety. You've 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.160 noticed your body is shifting shapes and you're like, why 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:53.880 does my arm look like a hit? What is this? 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:55.920 Like I've been working out, I'm meaning the same, why 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.399 do I have this fat and less muscle? And so 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.400 it's a whole shift in everything because people don't realize 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.919 estrogen effects every system in your body, So your skin, 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.119 your hair, it's it's wild. So you might start to 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.040 notice your skin is a little thinner, your skin's a 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.199 little drier, the wrinkles by your eyes, your hair is 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.760 getting a little more thin, and it's all these subtle changes. 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.400 But people don't know. And if you don't know, how 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:23.200 can you help yourself? 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.240 And that's because of estrogen. 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.320 And that's yeah, So estrogen is not just for breast 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.560 and vaginal health, but every system of the body. And 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:35.439 what happens in menopause to estrogen, So estrogen as we 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.080 know it from the ovaries basically goes bye bye, like 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.800 you have like one percent of the estrogen you would 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.840 have had when you were twenty five. Like it's just bad. 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.200 And then there are other hormones that kick up, like 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.679 you might have more testosterone, you might have the weaker 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:54.280 estrogen estrone. But this is why hormone replacement therapy is 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.000 kind of like liquid gold for a majority of people. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.080