WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Finding Consistency? 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.800 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:17.600 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:21.040 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:33.599 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Bravis, Rob Phillips, 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:38.680 and Bill Jones. And it is a terrific Tuesday here 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.240 at the Star in Frisco. Bye week for the Cowboys, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.720 but much to talk about as we get you started 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.120 here after a big win over the Eagles on Sunday night, 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.360 thirty seven to ten, and the Cowboys sitting pretty in 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.880 first place in the NFC East. Would you say they're 0:00:55.880 --> 0:01:00.360 sitting pretty? They're making sitting pretty well, precariously, they're sitting 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.720 pretty after winning well, this season would be very precarious 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.320 if they had not won on Sunday. Well, they're up 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.160 by one game. They're up by one game. But here 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.080 are you seeing what's happening in Philadelphia right now? They're 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:16.280 just going down the tubes. Well, that locker room is fractured. Yeah, 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.920 as we saw on Monday Night football, though this league 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.800 is a week to week proposition could be riding high 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.680 like those New York Jets. And then right back down 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.679 to earth. Does that just like make you sick to 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:33.199 your stomach? Could you sit through that whole thing? Mickey? 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.560 Last night a thirty three to nothing, a New England win. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.399 By the way, the Patriots now have other seven wins, 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.520 three of them they've scored thirty three points in. That's 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.840 got to be the first time in NFL history that 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.280 a team has scored thirty three points in three games 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.200 of a season. That aside, Mickey, what the gumbags did? 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:56.960 They would beat Yeah, that's exactly I mean, scumbags. Gosh, 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:02.480 it's kind of sad the US the definition, the proper definition, Mickey. 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.600 It's kind of the same schedule the Cowboys are playing, 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:10.880 I know, except for one game that they lost that 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:16.200 they beat that I can't even say it. He threw 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:22.840 four interceptions. Sam Darnold finished with a three point six 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.360 quarterback rating. How did you get to three point six? 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.000 Maybe he also lost a fumble too. Maybe it was 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.560 the eleven completions out of thirty one thirty two attempts 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.680 that lost. Make you sick, Brian watching it makes sense? Sick. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.720 I think that what's going to happen in the way 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.880 this season. We're all veterans in this They're probably gonna 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.880 win a game they probably are not supposed to win. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.080 You know, you lose a game you probably shouldn't have won. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:53.520 I agree, And yeah, right now, I've seen New England 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.800 go out and lay a big egg before. I mean 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.960 they haven't this season. Of course, they're seven to oh. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.359 I think that makes the thing that makes New England 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:06.560 unique is how they're able to adapt to who they 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.040 are and who you are every week, you know, like 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.960 Super Bowl Left, you know, Sam Darnold talked about, well, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.400 the Cowboys are what they are. They play single high, 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.440 you kind of understand what they are. And then we 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.440 start to hear about the stories of only seeing ghosts 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.520 and things like that, you know, And I think that 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.880 in the NFL you have to be able to adapt 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.920 to who you are and then who the other team, 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.080 who your opponent is. I don't think the Cowboys adapted 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.760 to themselves very well in the Jets game, for all 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.720 the injuries they had. You know, we've been talking about that, hey, 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:43.640 need this guy to play well, need this guy to 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.040 play well, need this guy to play well. And you know, 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.400 I feel like though that that that really was the 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.120 downfall in this season. I mean, I was asked about 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.400 this on Austin radio this morning, and it's like, what 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.680 do you make of all these games? What have you 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.120 learned from each game? And I felt like I learned 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.640 maybe on the mail back too, the question was what 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.760 did I learn or about this team? Or who is 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.800 this team? Who is this team? And I learned that 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.800 they could play defense for sixty minutes against the Saints. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.800 I learned they could turn the ball over horribly against 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.480 the Packers, you know. And I learned that if they're 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:21.360 good players don't play well, they could lose against an 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.719 inferior team, or they can go out and find a 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:29.760 way to put everything completely together offensively, defensively, and special 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.120 teams manage the game, manage the clock, and get an 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:37.440 impressive win against a division rival. So it's it's a 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.720 I'd see what the Patriots have done for so many 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.520 years and how they operate, and I'm surprised that more 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.479 teams don't try to do that. And I'm not talking 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.800 about the deflating of footballs or spying on an opponent 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.400 or whatever edge you need. I'm surprised that more people 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:59.760 haven't tried, you know, strategically, strategically strategically week to week, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.480 planning week to week. They get up a second round 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.880 pick for a slot wide receiver that you know, just 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:06.840 here that you know, they feel like, man, they've got 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.240 a roster that's set. You know, they've got they've got 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.360 a great defense, they've got all this stuff, and you know, 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.400 but it's they did too. They did to the to 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.840 the New York Jets what the Cowboys should have done. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:23.680 But the Cowboys didn't have their players and they didn't 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.039 play well enough. They're good players, did not play well 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.000 enough for them to win that game. So I understand it. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.520 I understand because, like I said, we're gonna be sitting 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.599 here one day on the show and we'll be talking 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.839 about a victory we didn't think they were going to get. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.000 That they're gonna get. And what Brian is alluding to 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.559 there with the Patriots and the aftermath of their thirty 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.160 three to nothing when last night they have worked a 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.240 trade with the Atlanta Falcons, acquiring from homage Sano Sanoo. Yeah, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.240 they got a big slot receiver. Now they gave up 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.720 and they gave up a second round draft pick. Problems, right, 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.440 So on the heels of that, they're not they're not satisfied. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.719 I went and looked at their roster. Yeah, and you 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.280 know how many wide receivers they veteran White, I mean, 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.560 these are guys who have NFL playing experience, not some 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.360 college free agent coming in. Yeah. Since the start of 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:11.280 training camp, how many wide receivers they have had on 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:16.760 their roster it's thirteen. Yeah, and they've had eleven tight ends. Yeah. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.240 I mean they're just they're just running through them. Just okay, no, 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.960 Marius Thomas, No, you go play for the Jets. You know, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.280 all these guys they're just running through trying to come 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:29.880 up with Antonio Brown then with all his headache, they said, hey, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.840 we'll pay you, we'll send We'll do what we have 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.520 to do, you know. And I know, I mean to me, 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.560 it's it's it's it's a model because of what you've 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.360 seen consistently. But I think we focus on this team, 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.880 you know, we focus on what they need to do. 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:47.200 And it's been so wild, wildly inconsistent this first half 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.679 of the season that I think it's hard to say, 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.240 you know, And I wrote down this thing. I wanted 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.320 to ask you guys, Oh, give me something that I 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:56.440 can hang my hat on for the second half of 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.440 this season. Give me something, Give me you know, can 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.600 you tell me something that, Okay, is wildly as inconsistent 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:05.640 as they be, but give me something I can hang 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.920 my hat on that. I know that the second half 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.600 I can, I can live with. Is there something out 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.080 there that you guys have thought about that as you 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.440 kind of look back at this team and the way 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.280 the offensive line played in this last game, I think 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.520 is what they're capable of week to week, and with 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.200 the exception of probably the Saints game, when they've had 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.040 all their pieces, all those guys up front, I still 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.160 feel really good about what they can do controlling the 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.559 line of scrimmage. And Jerry said it on the radio 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.600 this morning, that's probably the best game he's seen Lyle 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.960 Collins play as a cowboy, and I expect him to 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.680 just get better and better. They've they've talked about that, 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.200 Jason Garrett talked about how he's just kind of grown 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.920 into that role is at tackle. So I still think 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:52.400 and that's the identity of this team, and I just 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.160 think it's still they're moving forward, although they're gonna face 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.440 some good defenses going down the stretch, no question about that. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:03.640 What are you thinking making You know, it's a good 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.960 question because because Brian's right, they've won games and they've 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:11.640 lost games in different ways. So it's hard. But it's 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.680 hard to look at it and draw trends to you know, 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.880 why did they lose the game to the Jets Because 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.240 Sam Darnold scored twenty four points on him? Yeah, there 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.920 were no turnovers. Yeah right, if you make a field goal, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.120 you scored twenty five points against them, which should have 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.280 been enough, right, right, But they did a better job 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.280 against the running that game, and they didn't do a 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.679 good job. Well if so, No, you can't say it's 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.520 the same every week. Well, it was, they lost in 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:41.360 different ways. That exactly beat you exactly, and he ended 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.240 up with a three point six quarterback rate, and Aaron 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.200 Jones beat you the week before the guy was seeing ghosts. 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.960 That's that's the difference, is that they put it together. No, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:54.240 last week, Rodgers beat you, believe me. And keep in 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.800 mind that the Jets last week were in the same 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.040 boat with their offensive line in a worse boat. And 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.360 then what the Cowboys were the week before. Yeah, they 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.880 didn't have their left tackle last night, their center went 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.080 out halfway through the game, and they were playing they're 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.280 playing with a rookie playing at right tackle, going up 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.559 against the New England Patriots and that defense, and then 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.240 what do they think the quarterback was was seeing ghosts? 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.400 What was the difference? Though they blitzed them right, they 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.800 put pressure on them. It took advantage of the mismatch 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.199 that they had exactly not to talk sits, but the 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.320 other sorry, bro no, the other thing that we talked 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.720 about Tom Brady, but there was a stat from what 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.640 I watched last night they have eighteen picks this season. Yeah, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.800 I mean that's the most sense indible the ninety six 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.959 packers that you were part of that organization. I mean, 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.320 you know you see what happens with this team too. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.480 If you can get some takeaways and you can't ask 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.280 for four a game, probably, but it makes such a 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.240 huge difference in deciding game. And I don't know how 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.320 many of the Saints had in their Super Bowl season 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:55.800 and O nine they had a bunch of inc Patriots 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.200 are doing the same thing. And so Patriots have what 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.520 they have on offense, and then they're they're going to 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.840 do that on defense too, and and and again. They 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.640 six of their seven wins again or against teams that 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.600 have combined for about seven wins all year. Catch circle 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.840 back with you, Mickey on the So the the Jets game, 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.720 I tried to pin it more on guys, they're good players, 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.720 not stepping up the guys, the receivers and you know, 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.199 and then the receivers and the quarterback. But he had 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.680 two of them missing. Yeah, No, but I meant I meant, 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.680 I meant gallup. I meant gallup. Okay, gallup? Yeah, and 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.480 so but then is this but but just listening to 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.200 you talk, did they did they get did they not 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.439 game plan defensively the right way to fill this guy? 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.000 All I know is they had a quarterback in his 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.199 second year that hadn't played in a month, right, And 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.079 and and when you look at it, you got to 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.040 put pressure on them. You've got to go after them. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.559 And they didn't do that right, basically rushed with four 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.760 guys the majority of the game, and they weren't getting there, right, 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.320 And they allowed him to complete twenty three of thirty 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.120 two passes for three hundred and thirty eight yards. Right, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.640 he had a quarterback rating of one thirteen point eight. Right, 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.840 he was three point six. All right, So with with 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:16.320 Mickey's Mickey's thought. Then they've lost games all different ways. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.240 Now they've lost it with They've lost it with their 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.679 inability to score touchdown against or kick a field goal 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.280 against the Saints. Yeah, they attack the field goal against 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.320 the Jets two when it came down to well, right, 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.200 but if you think about okay, I wasn't gonna pin 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:34.200 the loss, the Jet loss on the coaches. But I 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.839 think Mickey makes a fair point. If you don't go, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.840 if you don't go after saying, if you don't go 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.480 after him and cause problems, then you get what you deserve. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.160 They really didn't blitz in that game. No, So if 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.880 Mickey's Mickey, if if you if you're buying into Mickey's thought, 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.680 which is not wrong. You know, I was thinking, okay, 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.080 they had some guys that didn't play well enough, those 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.720 backup guys that we kind of thought, Okay, they need 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.920 these guys to play better. They need it. Maybe, you know, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.320 Cam Fleming needed to play better, and Mickey has been 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.280 kind of talking about the whole thing with Cam Fleming 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.800 is not good enough. He's not good enough, you know, 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.280 so maybe maybe me thinking well, cam Fleming's got to 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.960 play better, Well, maybe he's not capable of playing better. 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.600 But these coaches got to feel like that, they've got 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.440 to be capable of coming up with a game plan 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:21.199 that can that can affect quarterbacks, that can affect a quarterback, 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.800 a second year quarterback that's coming off being gone for 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:29.439 three weeks. You know, So maybe there's maybe there's more 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.800 problems than that. Maybe there's more problems in you know, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.840 I'm not saying I mean, if Philadelphia win was great 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.200 because I felt like they put everything together, everything together. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.079 But but the fact that I'm saying, I just I'm 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:40.880 trying to find something that I can hang my hat 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.079 on the second half, and I don't know what it is. 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.120 There's not one thing that you can point to that 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.920 do you feel like, well's now I've got one, Mickey's not. Well, 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.560 excuse me, but you've opened it up to me to think, well, 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:53.880 can you can you hang your hat on these coaches? 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.439 Can you hank? Can you can you rely on them 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.079 to come up with a plan like they did against 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.920 the Philadelphia Eagles every week? Is this something? Was that 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.960 something just a one time thing? I mean, you were 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:08.880 somewhat hamstrung with your cornerbacks in the Jets game, sure, 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:14.600 but you know, offensively, despite their shortcomings, they had four 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.520 hundred yards total offense. Yeah, and they and they could 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.240 have scored twenty five points. That should have been enough 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.400 and it wasn't. And when you see that guy play 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.360 the way he did last night, oh my god. And 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.480 you know what, and those half of those interceptions weren't 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.720 great defensive plays and he was just chucking it up. Yeah, 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.000 he did chuck it up a few times. So you 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.520 never did enough to make him chuck it up. Yeah, 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.280 that's he was way too comfortable. You let him stand 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.880 on the goal line and throw a fifty yard pass 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.439 for ninety two yard touchdow. They acknowledge it. He got 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.520 they hit him twice, I think. Yeah, it just wasn't 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.560 saw like we think a pretty good quarterback in Carson 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.320 Wentz get knocked around and they and they did bring 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.840 pressure and they, yeah didn't they. I mean they felt 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.280 like the rusher a few times and the rush got there. 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.920 Jalen Blitz some and they used him as an extra 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.679 rusher at times too. Yeah. Yeah, they. I mean they 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.320 affected the game with their pressure. Can we hang our 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.520 hat on that? I think they're capable of it. Yeah, 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.920 I guess it comes down to you trust your cornerbacks, 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.040 because if you're gonna blitch, I trust them in single cover. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.040 I trust Jordan Lewis a lot more than I trust 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.960 Anthony Brown. I'm just gonna I don't you know. Maybe 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.560 I'm not telling the world out there's something that they 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:32.160 already don't know, but I I there's to me. Anthony 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.600 Brown does not just get his job back. I think 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.880 Jordan's earned more. I think Jordan's earned more snaps, absolutely, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.400 I do. I think the way he plays, the toughness 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.080 he brings out there, the way he competes, they need 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.480 somebody with his attitude out there playing in that secondary 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.440 Barn Jones a Woozier, fine, but put that make sure 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.040 that that Nichol has got to be a competitive soob 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.480 out there. You know, he's got to be a guy 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.360 because they're gonna carry you all over the field. You know, 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.600 you get a guy out there that's gonna eight plays, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:05.040 Give me that guy. I think the coaches agree with you. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.280 You think so. I think you could see it in 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.520 Jason yesterday in the press conference when he asked about 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.720 Jordan Lewis, he always talks well about his players. No, no, no, no, no, 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.440 you could see his eyes light up about him. Okay, okay, 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.280 well I hope you're right. And then you and Jerry. 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.440 Last week he was first guy mentioned that was before 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.080 this pass game. Man. He was talking about Jordan Lewis, Chris, 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.880 you know, Christmas Shard and I know Rishard likes the 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.400 taller corners. That's he said last week. The guy's a closer. 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.520 There's not been one time he hasn't maximized his opportunities. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.120 So at some point does it become more consistent with 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.640 the snaps? Yeah, how about clothes? How about how about 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:38.840 you know, give me something, hang my hat on. Jordan Lewis. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.680 I know he's gonna go out there and compete, you know, 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.800 and and they're gonna need it. You're gonna need it 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.440 some of these games. I mean, you got you got 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.440 quarterbacks coming up. They're gonna throw it. That guy Minnesota's 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.720 throwing it. Well, the guy in Detroit, he's over forty 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.960 thousand yards for a career, he's gonna throw it. My 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.960 guy I'm hanging my head on is Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:59.960 Rod was talking about the line. I think the line 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:01.920 it's kind of tied into with Elliott. I mean and 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.440 I'll throw in Amari Cooper too when he's healthy. My goodness, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.480 you know, some the routes, the consistency, I mean, he's 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.280 he's understanding, and so yeah, he take he takes that 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:16.040 passing game to another level, you know, with his game 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:20.160 breaker ability, you know. And and he's the main reason 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.480 that decks. I don't know what his yards per attempt 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.480 are right now, but two weeks over eight in that 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.280 game the other day, and so he's around nine. He's 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.280 around the tops in the league, up there with Patrick Mahomes. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:37.160 But it's it's establishing that run in being committed to 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.680 the run and with the with the way Zeke is 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:45.240 running himself, how hard he's running. Are we two old school? Me? 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.760 You bill two old school about having to run the 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.360 football or the consort of having to have that, are we? 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:53.960 I mean? And I get in an argument with the 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.880 guys all the time about throwing the football. I do, 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.760 and I'm with you. I believe I would say it's 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.240 when Dak Prescott stats or twenty one to twenty seven 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.119 for two hundred and forty yards two hundred fifty yards 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.880 that interception was that was him being a little reckless 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.399 on the play. Which I don't think he would. I 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.360 think he knew what he was doing. But I mean, 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:16.200 but a we are we you know, everybody's out there saying, oh, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.320 well you can't, you know, you shouldn't, you should throw 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.280 the ball at the time. I want to run the football. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.040 I want to run the football. Well, I think it's 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.560 balanced more than anything. Yeah, it's balanced, Absolutely, it's balanced. 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.840 But why do people argue with you about that? I 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.560 don't know. But you know what, because and I've gotten 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.360 this too on Twitter and stuff, the stat guys will 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:38.200 tell you, well, just run the play action, regardless of it. 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.560 The run games, run working and all that stuff. I'm 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.000 sorry from my own eyes watching football my whole life. 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.880 When you've got a running game that's cooking, it makes 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.000 the rest of everything else worked better. It just it does. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.920 And he's also your best player. He's your best player. 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.080 He's set like to Bill's point, he set the as 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.199 much as the defensive guys set the tone. Yeah he 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.200 did too, lower and his shoulder and knocking a guy 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.000 to the ground on that first drive. I mean, he's 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.520 he's still the engine for this thing. For me. Look, 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:12.359 we left training camp thinking this was a very talented team. Sure, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:18.040 and they went three games with weird stuff happening. It's 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.440 still a very talented team. I don't think we were 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:25.399 wrong on what we saw with our own eyes and 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:31.480 so I I just think if they play clean football 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.439 and don't have weird things happen in the middle of 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:38.000 a game the way they did against Philadelphia, they're They're 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.000 very good and they can play. I know this schedule 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.120 is good, right, I know it's tough, but they're good. 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.080 They just got to play that way. You can't can't 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:52.119 turn the ball over, you can't get BS calls and think, Okay, 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.399 well we're good enough to make up for that stuff. 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.280 They're not. Right. They're good enough to win if they 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.639 play clean football. I think Jason spoke to that in 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.560 the press. We've talked about how and Dak said last week, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.000 makeable plays. We got to make these plays. Stop getting 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.800 our own way. Jason said he'll put plays up on 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.160 the board to these guys and just say, look that's us, 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.120 that's us. We've done it before. Look these high level 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.520 type plays. Go out and do it again and again 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.000 and again again. All that stuff. You know, it's it's 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:22.520 just being It's about being who you are. And sometimes 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.760 teams force you to not be who you are too. 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.679 I think you know, the Saints beat them up front. 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.199 You have to give you, I mean, you have to 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.239 give other teams credit. It's not constantly Oh it's just 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.520 about us why we lost the game. Yeah, but I 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.240 think they Yeah, they're like Mickey said, they've been there's 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.560 been chunks of yardage and some of these losses where 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:41.400 it's like, now, how many How did they only score 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.800 that many points? You know? So, yeah, they've left stuff 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.280 on the field, no doubt. Talking about offensive approach, how 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.040 did the Saints beat the Cowboys? They didn't make any 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.680 mistakes and they were really good upfront defensively, Like Rob said, 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.000 I felt like they Yeah, they running the ball, They 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.920 matched the Cowboys running ball. I mean, they protected their quarterback. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.199 He didn't make any huge errors. Even he tried to 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:03.879 give you the game at the end though with that 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.480 sack he took, but that it was the very end. Yeah, 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.560 I have straight games playing that way basically, Yeah, Carolina, 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.080 basically the same thing too, These teams that are finding 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.879 a way to kind of protect their quarterback but allow 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.400 them to grow a little bit along along the road. Yeah, 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.200 it's pretty easy to win any game with any quarterback 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.840 if you only give up ten points. Yeah, that's why 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:25.600 if you're looking at this thing right now, you can 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.600 argue the Patriots, or you could argue the Saints is 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:29.359 the best team in the league right now because of 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.840 what they've done without a Hall of Fame quarterback and 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.520 Kamara last week. I mean, that's the Cowboys lost the 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.399 close game, to my opinion, the best team in the 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.879 NFC right now. Right now. We'll see what happens and 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.359 see what these how these teams progress, you know, and 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:47.080