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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is He's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Bravis, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. And it is a terrific Tuesday here
Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. Bye week for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but much to talk about as we get you started
Speaker 1: here after a big win over the Eagles on Sunday night,
Speaker 1: thirty seven to ten, and the Cowboys sitting pretty in
Speaker 1: first place in the NFC East. Would you say they're
Speaker 1: sitting pretty? They're making sitting pretty well, precariously, they're sitting
Speaker 1: pretty after winning well, this season would be very precarious
Speaker 1: if they had not won on Sunday. Well, they're up
Speaker 1: by one game. They're up by one game. But here
Speaker 1: are you seeing what's happening in Philadelphia right now? They're
Speaker 1: just going down the tubes. Well, that locker room is fractured. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as we saw on Monday Night football, though this league
Speaker 1: is a week to week proposition could be riding high
Speaker 1: like those New York Jets. And then right back down
Speaker 1: to earth. Does that just like make you sick to
Speaker 1: your stomach? Could you sit through that whole thing? Mickey?
Speaker 1: Last night a thirty three to nothing, a New England win.
Speaker 1: By the way, the Patriots now have other seven wins,
Speaker 1: three of them they've scored thirty three points in. That's
Speaker 1: got to be the first time in NFL history that
Speaker 1: a team has scored thirty three points in three games
Speaker 1: of a season. That aside, Mickey, what the gumbags did?
Speaker 1: They would beat Yeah, that's exactly I mean, scumbags. Gosh,
Speaker 1: it's kind of sad the US the definition, the proper definition, Mickey.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same schedule the Cowboys are playing,
Speaker 1: I know, except for one game that they lost that
Speaker 1: they beat that I can't even say it. He threw
Speaker 1: four interceptions. Sam Darnold finished with a three point six
Speaker 1: quarterback rating. How did you get to three point six?
Speaker 1: Maybe he also lost a fumble too. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: the eleven completions out of thirty one thirty two attempts
Speaker 1: that lost. Make you sick, Brian watching it makes sense? Sick.
Speaker 1: I think that what's going to happen in the way
Speaker 1: this season. We're all veterans in this They're probably gonna
Speaker 1: win a game they probably are not supposed to win.
Speaker 1: You know, you lose a game you probably shouldn't have won.
Speaker 1: I agree, And yeah, right now, I've seen New England
Speaker 1: go out and lay a big egg before. I mean
Speaker 1: they haven't this season. Of course, they're seven to oh.
Speaker 1: I think that makes the thing that makes New England
Speaker 1: unique is how they're able to adapt to who they
Speaker 1: are and who you are every week, you know, like
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Left, you know, Sam Darnold talked about, well,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are what they are. They play single high,
Speaker 1: you kind of understand what they are. And then we
Speaker 1: start to hear about the stories of only seeing ghosts
Speaker 1: and things like that, you know, And I think that
Speaker 1: in the NFL you have to be able to adapt
Speaker 1: to who you are and then who the other team,
Speaker 1: who your opponent is. I don't think the Cowboys adapted
Speaker 1: to themselves very well in the Jets game, for all
Speaker 1: the injuries they had. You know, we've been talking about that, hey,
Speaker 1: need this guy to play well, need this guy to
Speaker 1: play well, need this guy to play well. And you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like though that that that really was the
Speaker 1: downfall in this season. I mean, I was asked about
Speaker 1: this on Austin radio this morning, and it's like, what
Speaker 1: do you make of all these games? What have you
Speaker 1: learned from each game? And I felt like I learned
Speaker 1: maybe on the mail back too, the question was what
Speaker 1: did I learn or about this team? Or who is
Speaker 1: this team? Who is this team? And I learned that
Speaker 1: they could play defense for sixty minutes against the Saints.
Speaker 1: I learned they could turn the ball over horribly against
Speaker 1: the Packers, you know. And I learned that if they're
Speaker 1: good players don't play well, they could lose against an
Speaker 1: inferior team, or they can go out and find a
Speaker 1: way to put everything completely together offensively, defensively, and special
Speaker 1: teams manage the game, manage the clock, and get an
Speaker 1: impressive win against a division rival. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: I'd see what the Patriots have done for so many
Speaker 1: years and how they operate, and I'm surprised that more
Speaker 1: teams don't try to do that. And I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about the deflating of footballs or spying on an opponent
Speaker 1: or whatever edge you need. I'm surprised that more people
Speaker 1: haven't tried, you know, strategically, strategically strategically week to week,
Speaker 1: planning week to week. They get up a second round
Speaker 1: pick for a slot wide receiver that you know, just
Speaker 1: here that you know, they feel like, man, they've got
Speaker 1: a roster that's set. You know, they've got they've got
Speaker 1: a great defense, they've got all this stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: but it's they did too. They did to the to
Speaker 1: the New York Jets what the Cowboys should have done.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys didn't have their players and they didn't
Speaker 1: play well enough. They're good players, did not play well
Speaker 1: enough for them to win that game. So I understand it.
Speaker 1: I understand because, like I said, we're gonna be sitting
Speaker 1: here one day on the show and we'll be talking
Speaker 1: about a victory we didn't think they were going to get.
Speaker 1: That they're gonna get. And what Brian is alluding to
Speaker 1: there with the Patriots and the aftermath of their thirty
Speaker 1: three to nothing when last night they have worked a
Speaker 1: trade with the Atlanta Falcons, acquiring from homage Sano Sanoo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got a big slot receiver. Now they gave up
Speaker 1: and they gave up a second round draft pick. Problems, right,
Speaker 1: So on the heels of that, they're not they're not satisfied.
Speaker 1: I went and looked at their roster. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know how many wide receivers they veteran White, I mean,
Speaker 1: these are guys who have NFL playing experience, not some
Speaker 1: college free agent coming in. Yeah. Since the start of
Speaker 1: training camp, how many wide receivers they have had on
Speaker 1: their roster it's thirteen. Yeah, and they've had eleven tight ends. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean they're just they're just running through them. Just okay, no,
Speaker 1: Marius Thomas, No, you go play for the Jets. You know,
Speaker 1: all these guys they're just running through trying to come
Speaker 1: up with Antonio Brown then with all his headache, they said, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll pay you, we'll send We'll do what we have
Speaker 1: to do, you know. And I know, I mean to me,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a model because of what you've
Speaker 1: seen consistently. But I think we focus on this team,
Speaker 1: you know, we focus on what they need to do.
Speaker 1: And it's been so wild, wildly inconsistent this first half
Speaker 1: of the season that I think it's hard to say,
Speaker 1: you know, And I wrote down this thing. I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you guys, Oh, give me something that I
Speaker 1: can hang my hat on for the second half of
Speaker 1: this season. Give me something, Give me you know, can
Speaker 1: you tell me something that, Okay, is wildly as inconsistent
Speaker 1: as they be, but give me something I can hang
Speaker 1: my hat on that. I know that the second half
Speaker 1: I can, I can live with. Is there something out
Speaker 1: there that you guys have thought about that as you
Speaker 1: kind of look back at this team and the way
Speaker 1: the offensive line played in this last game, I think
Speaker 1: is what they're capable of week to week, and with
Speaker 1: the exception of probably the Saints game, when they've had
Speaker 1: all their pieces, all those guys up front, I still
Speaker 1: feel really good about what they can do controlling the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. And Jerry said it on the radio
Speaker 1: this morning, that's probably the best game he's seen Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins play as a cowboy, and I expect him to
Speaker 1: just get better and better. They've they've talked about that,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett talked about how he's just kind of grown
Speaker 1: into that role is at tackle. So I still think
Speaker 1: and that's the identity of this team, and I just
Speaker 1: think it's still they're moving forward, although they're gonna face
Speaker 1: some good defenses going down the stretch, no question about that.
Speaker 1: What are you thinking making You know, it's a good
Speaker 1: question because because Brian's right, they've won games and they've
Speaker 1: lost games in different ways. So it's hard. But it's
Speaker 1: hard to look at it and draw trends to you know,
Speaker 1: why did they lose the game to the Jets Because
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold scored twenty four points on him? Yeah, there
Speaker 1: were no turnovers. Yeah right, if you make a field goal,
Speaker 1: you scored twenty five points against them, which should have
Speaker 1: been enough, right, right, But they did a better job
Speaker 1: against the running that game, and they didn't do a
Speaker 1: good job. Well if so, No, you can't say it's
Speaker 1: the same every week. Well, it was, they lost in
Speaker 1: different ways. That exactly beat you exactly, and he ended
Speaker 1: up with a three point six quarterback rate, and Aaron
Speaker 1: Jones beat you the week before the guy was seeing ghosts.
Speaker 1: That's that's the difference, is that they put it together. No,
Speaker 1: last week, Rodgers beat you, believe me. And keep in
Speaker 1: mind that the Jets last week were in the same
Speaker 1: boat with their offensive line in a worse boat. And
Speaker 1: then what the Cowboys were the week before. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: didn't have their left tackle last night, their center went
Speaker 1: out halfway through the game, and they were playing they're
Speaker 1: playing with a rookie playing at right tackle, going up
Speaker 1: against the New England Patriots and that defense, and then
Speaker 1: what do they think the quarterback was was seeing ghosts?
Speaker 1: What was the difference? Though they blitzed them right, they
Speaker 1: put pressure on them. It took advantage of the mismatch
Speaker 1: that they had exactly not to talk sits, but the
Speaker 1: other sorry, bro no, the other thing that we talked
Speaker 1: about Tom Brady, but there was a stat from what
Speaker 1: I watched last night they have eighteen picks this season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the most sense indible the ninety six
Speaker 1: packers that you were part of that organization. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you see what happens with this team too.
Speaker 1: If you can get some takeaways and you can't ask
Speaker 1: for four a game, probably, but it makes such a
Speaker 1: huge difference in deciding game. And I don't know how
Speaker 1: many of the Saints had in their Super Bowl season
Speaker 1: and O nine they had a bunch of inc Patriots
Speaker 1: are doing the same thing. And so Patriots have what
Speaker 1: they have on offense, and then they're they're going to
Speaker 1: do that on defense too, and and and again. They
Speaker 1: six of their seven wins again or against teams that
Speaker 1: have combined for about seven wins all year. Catch circle
Speaker 1: back with you, Mickey on the So the the Jets game,
Speaker 1: I tried to pin it more on guys, they're good players,
Speaker 1: not stepping up the guys, the receivers and you know,
Speaker 1: and then the receivers and the quarterback. But he had
Speaker 1: two of them missing. Yeah, No, but I meant I meant,
Speaker 1: I meant gallup. I meant gallup. Okay, gallup? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so but then is this but but just listening to
Speaker 1: you talk, did they did they get did they not
Speaker 1: game plan defensively the right way to fill this guy?
Speaker 1: All I know is they had a quarterback in his
Speaker 1: second year that hadn't played in a month, right, And
Speaker 1: and and when you look at it, you got to
Speaker 1: put pressure on them. You've got to go after them.
Speaker 1: And they didn't do that right, basically rushed with four
Speaker 1: guys the majority of the game, and they weren't getting there, right,
Speaker 1: And they allowed him to complete twenty three of thirty
Speaker 1: two passes for three hundred and thirty eight yards. Right,
Speaker 1: he had a quarterback rating of one thirteen point eight. Right,
Speaker 1: he was three point six. All right, So with with
Speaker 1: Mickey's Mickey's thought. Then they've lost games all different ways.
Speaker 1: Now they've lost it with They've lost it with their
Speaker 1: inability to score touchdown against or kick a field goal
Speaker 1: against the Saints. Yeah, they attack the field goal against
Speaker 1: the Jets two when it came down to well, right,
Speaker 1: but if you think about okay, I wasn't gonna pin
Speaker 1: the loss, the Jet loss on the coaches. But I
Speaker 1: think Mickey makes a fair point. If you don't go,
Speaker 1: if you don't go after saying, if you don't go
Speaker 1: after him and cause problems, then you get what you deserve.
Speaker 1: They really didn't blitz in that game. No, So if
Speaker 1: Mickey's Mickey, if if you if you're buying into Mickey's thought,
Speaker 1: which is not wrong. You know, I was thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: they had some guys that didn't play well enough, those
Speaker 1: backup guys that we kind of thought, Okay, they need
Speaker 1: these guys to play better. They need it. Maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming needed to play better, and Mickey has been
Speaker 1: kind of talking about the whole thing with Cam Fleming
Speaker 1: is not good enough. He's not good enough, you know,
Speaker 1: so maybe maybe me thinking well, cam Fleming's got to
Speaker 1: play better, Well, maybe he's not capable of playing better.
Speaker 1: But these coaches got to feel like that, they've got
Speaker 1: to be capable of coming up with a game plan
Speaker 1: that can that can affect quarterbacks, that can affect a quarterback,
Speaker 1: a second year quarterback that's coming off being gone for
Speaker 1: three weeks. You know, So maybe there's maybe there's more
Speaker 1: problems than that. Maybe there's more problems in you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I mean, if Philadelphia win was great
Speaker 1: because I felt like they put everything together, everything together.
Speaker 1: But but the fact that I'm saying, I just I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find something that I can hang my hat
Speaker 1: on the second half, and I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: There's not one thing that you can point to that
Speaker 1: do you feel like, well's now I've got one, Mickey's not. Well,
Speaker 1: excuse me, but you've opened it up to me to think, well,
Speaker 1: can you can you hang your hat on these coaches?
Speaker 1: Can you hank? Can you can you rely on them
Speaker 1: to come up with a plan like they did against
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles every week? Is this something? Was that
Speaker 1: something just a one time thing? I mean, you were
Speaker 1: somewhat hamstrung with your cornerbacks in the Jets game, sure,
Speaker 1: but you know, offensively, despite their shortcomings, they had four
Speaker 1: hundred yards total offense. Yeah, and they and they could
Speaker 1: have scored twenty five points. That should have been enough
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. And when you see that guy play
Speaker 1: the way he did last night, oh my god. And
Speaker 1: you know what, and those half of those interceptions weren't
Speaker 1: great defensive plays and he was just chucking it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did chuck it up a few times. So you
Speaker 1: never did enough to make him chuck it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's he was way too comfortable. You let him stand
Speaker 1: on the goal line and throw a fifty yard pass
Speaker 1: for ninety two yard touchdow. They acknowledge it. He got
Speaker 1: they hit him twice, I think. Yeah, it just wasn't
Speaker 1: saw like we think a pretty good quarterback in Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz get knocked around and they and they did bring
Speaker 1: pressure and they, yeah didn't they. I mean they felt
Speaker 1: like the rusher a few times and the rush got there.
Speaker 1: Jalen Blitz some and they used him as an extra
Speaker 1: rusher at times too. Yeah. Yeah, they. I mean they
Speaker 1: affected the game with their pressure. Can we hang our
Speaker 1: hat on that? I think they're capable of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it comes down to you trust your cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: because if you're gonna blitch, I trust them in single cover.
Speaker 1: I trust Jordan Lewis a lot more than I trust
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. I'm just gonna I don't you know. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm not telling the world out there's something that they
Speaker 1: already don't know, but I I there's to me. Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown does not just get his job back. I think
Speaker 1: Jordan's earned more. I think Jordan's earned more snaps, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I do. I think the way he plays, the toughness
Speaker 1: he brings out there, the way he competes, they need
Speaker 1: somebody with his attitude out there playing in that secondary
Speaker 1: Barn Jones a Woozier, fine, but put that make sure
Speaker 1: that that Nichol has got to be a competitive soob
Speaker 1: out there. You know, he's got to be a guy
Speaker 1: because they're gonna carry you all over the field. You know,
Speaker 1: you get a guy out there that's gonna eight plays,
Speaker 1: Give me that guy. I think the coaches agree with you.
Speaker 1: You think so. I think you could see it in
Speaker 1: Jason yesterday in the press conference when he asked about
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, he always talks well about his players. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you could see his eyes light up about him. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: well I hope you're right. And then you and Jerry.
Speaker 1: Last week he was first guy mentioned that was before
Speaker 1: this pass game. Man. He was talking about Jordan Lewis, Chris,
Speaker 1: you know, Christmas Shard and I know Rishard likes the
Speaker 1: taller corners. That's he said last week. The guy's a closer.
Speaker 1: There's not been one time he hasn't maximized his opportunities.
Speaker 1: So at some point does it become more consistent with
Speaker 1: the snaps? Yeah, how about clothes? How about how about
Speaker 1: you know, give me something, hang my hat on. Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna go out there and compete, you know,
Speaker 1: and and they're gonna need it. You're gonna need it
Speaker 1: some of these games. I mean, you got you got
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coming up. They're gonna throw it. That guy Minnesota's
Speaker 1: throwing it. Well, the guy in Detroit, he's over forty
Speaker 1: thousand yards for a career, he's gonna throw it. My
Speaker 1: guy I'm hanging my head on is Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Rod was talking about the line. I think the line
Speaker 1: it's kind of tied into with Elliott. I mean and
Speaker 1: I'll throw in Amari Cooper too when he's healthy. My goodness,
Speaker 1: you know, some the routes, the consistency, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: he's understanding, and so yeah, he take he takes that
Speaker 1: passing game to another level, you know, with his game
Speaker 1: breaker ability, you know. And and he's the main reason
Speaker 1: that decks. I don't know what his yards per attempt
Speaker 1: are right now, but two weeks over eight in that
Speaker 1: game the other day, and so he's around nine. He's
Speaker 1: around the tops in the league, up there with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: But it's it's establishing that run in being committed to
Speaker 1: the run and with the with the way Zeke is
Speaker 1: running himself, how hard he's running. Are we two old school? Me?
Speaker 1: You bill two old school about having to run the
Speaker 1: football or the consort of having to have that, are we?
Speaker 1: I mean? And I get in an argument with the
Speaker 1: guys all the time about throwing the football. I do,
Speaker 1: and I'm with you. I believe I would say it's
Speaker 1: when Dak Prescott stats or twenty one to twenty seven
Speaker 1: for two hundred and forty yards two hundred fifty yards
Speaker 1: that interception was that was him being a little reckless
Speaker 1: on the play. Which I don't think he would. I
Speaker 1: think he knew what he was doing. But I mean,
Speaker 1: but a we are we you know, everybody's out there saying, oh,
Speaker 1: well you can't, you know, you shouldn't, you should throw
Speaker 1: the ball at the time. I want to run the football.
Speaker 1: I want to run the football. Well, I think it's
Speaker 1: balanced more than anything. Yeah, it's balanced, Absolutely, it's balanced.
Speaker 1: But why do people argue with you about that? I
Speaker 1: don't know. But you know what, because and I've gotten
Speaker 1: this too on Twitter and stuff, the stat guys will
Speaker 1: tell you, well, just run the play action, regardless of it.
Speaker 1: The run games, run working and all that stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry from my own eyes watching football my whole life.
Speaker 1: When you've got a running game that's cooking, it makes
Speaker 1: the rest of everything else worked better. It just it does.
Speaker 1: And he's also your best player. He's your best player.
Speaker 1: He's set like to Bill's point, he set the as
Speaker 1: much as the defensive guys set the tone. Yeah he
Speaker 1: did too, lower and his shoulder and knocking a guy
Speaker 1: to the ground on that first drive. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: he's still the engine for this thing. For me. Look,
Speaker 1: we left training camp thinking this was a very talented team. Sure,
Speaker 1: and they went three games with weird stuff happening. It's
Speaker 1: still a very talented team. I don't think we were
Speaker 1: wrong on what we saw with our own eyes and
Speaker 1: so I I just think if they play clean football
Speaker 1: and don't have weird things happen in the middle of
Speaker 1: a game the way they did against Philadelphia, they're They're
Speaker 1: very good and they can play. I know this schedule
Speaker 1: is good, right, I know it's tough, but they're good.
Speaker 1: They just got to play that way. You can't can't
Speaker 1: turn the ball over, you can't get BS calls and think, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we're good enough to make up for that stuff.
Speaker 1: They're not. Right. They're good enough to win if they
Speaker 1: play clean football. I think Jason spoke to that in
Speaker 1: the press. We've talked about how and Dak said last week,
Speaker 1: makeable plays. We got to make these plays. Stop getting
Speaker 1: our own way. Jason said he'll put plays up on
Speaker 1: the board to these guys and just say, look that's us,
Speaker 1: that's us. We've done it before. Look these high level
Speaker 1: type plays. Go out and do it again and again
Speaker 1: and again again. All that stuff. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: just being It's about being who you are. And sometimes
Speaker 1: teams force you to not be who you are too.
Speaker 1: I think you know, the Saints beat them up front.
Speaker 1: You have to give you, I mean, you have to
Speaker 1: give other teams credit. It's not constantly Oh it's just
Speaker 1: about us why we lost the game. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think they Yeah, they're like Mickey said, they've been there's
Speaker 1: been chunks of yardage and some of these losses where
Speaker 1: it's like, now, how many How did they only score
Speaker 1: that many points? You know? So, yeah, they've left stuff
Speaker 1: on the field, no doubt. Talking about offensive approach, how
Speaker 1: did the Saints beat the Cowboys? They didn't make any
Speaker 1: mistakes and they were really good upfront defensively, Like Rob said,
Speaker 1: I felt like they Yeah, they running the ball, They
Speaker 1: matched the Cowboys running ball. I mean, they protected their quarterback.
Speaker 1: He didn't make any huge errors. Even he tried to
Speaker 1: give you the game at the end though with that
Speaker 1: sack he took, but that it was the very end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have straight games playing that way basically, Yeah, Carolina,
Speaker 1: basically the same thing too, These teams that are finding
Speaker 1: a way to kind of protect their quarterback but allow
Speaker 1: them to grow a little bit along along the road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to win any game with any quarterback
Speaker 1: if you only give up ten points. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: if you're looking at this thing right now, you can
Speaker 1: argue the Patriots, or you could argue the Saints is
Speaker 1: the best team in the league right now because of
Speaker 1: what they've done without a Hall of Fame quarterback and
Speaker 1: Kamara last week. I mean, that's the Cowboys lost the
Speaker 1: close game, to my opinion, the best team in the
Speaker 1: NFC right now. Right now. We'll see what happens and
Speaker 1: see what these how these teams progress, you know, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I don't think you're not buying Green Bay. Um,
Speaker 1: They're they're up there, and their defense has been good too.
Speaker 1: But I'm just so impressed with what the Saints have
Speaker 1: done without without Breeze. I mean, it's it's just you know,
Speaker 1: it's true, mat Whin, it's Seattle against the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: go to chicagoan win. Yeah, But I'm with Mickey too.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys still have another level they can get.
Speaker 1: I mean, we the other night was proof of what
Speaker 1: they can be if they if they put it together.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the rest of the schedule,
Speaker 1: and I know you said they'll win a game they shouldn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I only see one they shouldn't New England. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: New England, I mean should should they be good enough
Speaker 1: to go to Chicago and win beat Minnesota at home? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you might be a little bit me your team, I
Speaker 1: would be able to travel, if you know, if again,
Speaker 1: if it turns into an ugly, nasty game, well you
Speaker 1: never know. Problem is there's a string of all of
Speaker 1: those games together. Oh no, yeah, it's well, you're about
Speaker 1: to play an SEC schedule, which to Detroit. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: New England. Then you got to play a short week
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving, and then you got to go to Chicago
Speaker 1: that wouldn't play the Rams, and then you go at Philadelphi, right,
Speaker 1: And that was the stretch there that that was scary
Speaker 1: because you had to that's the only not got Minnesota
Speaker 1: prior to that all away home away, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden and you're a way way short and away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and these games are going to come fast and furious
Speaker 1: when they get back here. It does every November around here.
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Speaker 1: to service. November ninth. There you go, what are we are?
Speaker 1: We are? I guess we're here that weekend? Uh November.
Speaker 1: Let's see we play Minnesota game? Right? Yeah? It should
Speaker 1: be Minnesota? Yeah, yeah, sure, because what the Giants is
Speaker 1: a Monday night game. You got the date on the
Speaker 1: Giants game, like the fourth November, That would be the fourth,
Speaker 1: fourth and so forth. So that is Saturday, November ninth.
Speaker 1: Is that Tostito's Chimpionship Plaza, so to service? Which is
Speaker 1: to day before the day before the Sunday night game
Speaker 1: against Minnesota, which is the next home game we got
Speaker 1: to play, like get back at four thirty in the
Speaker 1: morning on Tuesday and play Sunday. Right yeah yeah, but
Speaker 1: wait that's a night game. Give you a little time,
Speaker 1: which gets back to these games are going to come fast,
Speaker 1: and yes they are so is there. You have that
Speaker 1: fast and here you got there. You've got a Monday
Speaker 1: game at the Giants home against Minnesota, at Detroit at
Speaker 1: New England, Thanksgiving Buffalo, and then on Thursday after that.
Speaker 1: So you've got one, two, three, four, five, six games
Speaker 1: between November fourth and December fifth. Brian always says, we're
Speaker 1: gonna wake up and it's gonna be Thanksgiving morning. That's
Speaker 1: where it works. If you're gonna end that on. It's
Speaker 1: five games in twenty five days. There you go leading
Speaker 1: up Thanksgiving five and twenty five, five and twenty five
Speaker 1: in a normal spread would be five and thirty five.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, something like that, seven times five thirty five.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, they're used to it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it is what it is. Thanks every now. I
Speaker 1: guess see one of the different you've got three road
Speaker 1: games in there and then well in three out of
Speaker 1: four from Sunday November seventeenth to Thursday, December fifth, or
Speaker 1: on the road at Detroit at New England home, Buffalo
Speaker 1: at Chicago. How many days is that tough stretch? There?
Speaker 1: You're going to confuse me because you're we're dealing with
Speaker 1: the change in the muff there that's thirteen to plus five.
Speaker 1: That's four games in eighteen days. Yeah, so there you go,
Speaker 1: all right, when you we're talking about what in fact
Speaker 1: right now we've already played college season. Sure, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: eleven games into this thing now basically a college season.
Speaker 1: And if this team is going to go where they
Speaker 1: want to go, yes, which is to Miami or Super
Speaker 1: Bowls started again, that's right, there's thirteen Well, there's twelve
Speaker 1: or thirteen games left, probably thirteen. Okay, that's with your
Speaker 1: four and three start, it's probably thirteen games still then,
Speaker 1: so you got a whole college season to go. Who
Speaker 1: does the offense or the defense need to be see
Speaker 1: the most improvement coming forward in the next thirteen games?
Speaker 1: Which needs the most improvement? Yeah? Which? Which is? Which
Speaker 1: is the calling card? Defense? Which is going to if
Speaker 1: one is going to be over the other, that's gonna
Speaker 1: get them. I just to me, they've got to play
Speaker 1: better defensively, I think, you know, And Mickey brought up
Speaker 1: about what happened with the Jets and the lack of pressure,
Speaker 1: and you saw pressure last week. Can they sustain the pressure?
Speaker 1: Can they continue to do things in the secondary, Can
Speaker 1: they continue to create turnovers. I think that was something
Speaker 1: you know that you wish you could say, Oh, I'd
Speaker 1: love to hang my hat on more turnovers every week,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you can do that. But I
Speaker 1: think this defense. I am more nervous about this defense
Speaker 1: than I am the offense, especially what Rob said, the
Speaker 1: offensive line, you know, their health, hopefully things will work
Speaker 1: out there. But I think the quarterbacks play and fine,
Speaker 1: the running backs fine. You know, they've got so many weapons.
Speaker 1: They could put up points if they don't hurt themselves
Speaker 1: with turnovers and penalties. They're they're just fine there. It's
Speaker 1: defensively that I worry about people making plays on him.
Speaker 1: And where has that changed from the beginning of the
Speaker 1: season for you? Well, again, I'm sign. I've seen him
Speaker 1: play sixty minutes with the Saints and hang in there,
Speaker 1: you know, deserve to win that game. And then I've
Speaker 1: seen other thing that happened. You know, they got run
Speaker 1: on against the Packers a little bit, uh you know,
Speaker 1: and then they let a quarterback coming off of a
Speaker 1: sickness beat him. You know, those are those are things
Speaker 1: that bother you. You just there's you just don't see
Speaker 1: any real consistency there is it you know, we went
Speaker 1: from last week we were just like, ah, the run
Speaker 1: defense has got to get better. Oh, then we went
Speaker 1: from run defense too, well, the pass rush has to
Speaker 1: be better. Well, the pastors got a little bit better.
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know if the consistent. I
Speaker 1: think there's more consistency on offense than there is on defense.
Speaker 1: And that's what that's what makes me nervous about the
Speaker 1: second half, he said. The season. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: look at it, two of the three losses, they gave
Speaker 1: up fifty eight points. Yeah, you know, you can you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: they scored twenty four against Green Bay. Sometimes twenty four
Speaker 1: has got to be enough to win, right right? Um,
Speaker 1: you know the Jets twenty two. They would have had
Speaker 1: twenty three, They could have had twenty six, But you
Speaker 1: gave up twenty four to the Jets. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know why I can't get over that. You know what
Speaker 1: you you asked me, did you watch the entire game? No?
Speaker 1: I gave up because I could see it was twenty
Speaker 1: six to nothing or whatever. It wasn't At one point
Speaker 1: it was like, Holly, well, hopefully they do like I said,
Speaker 1: they get a win. They're probably not supposed to get
Speaker 1: one of us again. Mickey said, he feels like they
Speaker 1: could go through to New England. You know, who knows
Speaker 1: if you if you kind of got things humming along
Speaker 1: and offensive, I think I think to beat the Patriots,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be more in this captain obvious here,
Speaker 1: but I think you're gonna The teams that have given
Speaker 1: them problems in the past have just come into the
Speaker 1: game and been more physical than them. They have been
Speaker 1: more physical with their receivers. They've run the football on them.
Speaker 1: You know, they've affected Tom Brady and the way he's
Speaker 1: thrown the football. So yeah, it's tough to win games
Speaker 1: up there, but you just have to be when you
Speaker 1: play them. They they they play a different style. They're
Speaker 1: going to adapt to you. Like I said, but you
Speaker 1: have to be a lot more physical than they are
Speaker 1: to win that game. And we've seen it when the
Speaker 1: Giants beat them in Super Bowls. It was what happened.
Speaker 1: The Giants front seven got after them. Brady had grass stains.
Speaker 1: He looked at the back of his uniform, he had
Speaker 1: grass stains on it. When you affect him, you affect
Speaker 1: the way that they play. And so that's and that
Speaker 1: maybe that's the game that all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: kind of put everything together for one weekend and it
Speaker 1: and it and it just all works out for you.
Speaker 1: And to your point about this defense, they were super
Speaker 1: physical the other night from from the jump, you know,
Speaker 1: the force turnovers. Early on, they got after the Eagles
Speaker 1: offensive line, who I think is a pretty good offensive line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a good offensive line. And you know, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: them just taking advantage of the left tackle either, No,
Speaker 1: they did. They took they took advantage of the right tackle.
Speaker 1: They did Lane Johnson had had a poor game, Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderesh getting in the backfield and make him plays for
Speaker 1: losses we talked about. I mean, that was very much
Speaker 1: like we saw this defense pretty consistently last year play
Speaker 1: and that again that kind of what Mickey said, like
Speaker 1: we've we've seen it. We know what they can be.
Speaker 1: That's the level they can get to, and if they
Speaker 1: play at that level, they really can hang with anybody
Speaker 1: in this league. I truly believe that. But it's it's
Speaker 1: been about consistency so far this year on multiple sides
Speaker 1: of the I mean, don't you think this offense can
Speaker 1: score on anybody? I do. They're healthy. Yes, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean you saw Tyrant Smith out there probably an
Speaker 1: eighty percent playing a game, and you know, and you
Speaker 1: know he Lyle Collins for you know, it's one of
Speaker 1: those that reminds me of that the Willis Read game,
Speaker 1: you know, the Jemmy. You know, here's a guy with
Speaker 1: a big, old, huge brace song going out there and playing. No,
Speaker 1: Willis Reid didn't finish the game, and that gets the
Speaker 1: Knicks that time. But but I mean you get an
Speaker 1: idea he's out there playing hurt. He did. He's out
Speaker 1: there and you know sometimes these guys when they when
Speaker 1: they're hurt, they go out there and play at an
Speaker 1: even higher level. And I think that's to me where
Speaker 1: this team is capable of playing. And I hate saying
Speaker 1: that because I think you could see it every week.
Speaker 1: I think you could see them play the type of game. Now.
Speaker 1: Maybe me, the Philadelphia Eagles are trash, you know, But
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a value weighting Fletcher Cox as you
Speaker 1: look the same. No, but you know what, Zach Martin
Speaker 1: and Connor Williams and Travis Frederick did a hell of
Speaker 1: a job a block in the inside. You know. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: how about Brandon Graham, I ain't. Brandon Graham's a pretty
Speaker 1: damn good player. Well, Lyle Collins just eliminated him completely
Speaker 1: from this game. You know. I feel like though that
Speaker 1: that tight ends are pretty good. You know, got a
Speaker 1: couple of good tight ends, and tight ends didn't kill
Speaker 1: him in this football game. They're capable of doing this.
Speaker 1: But this defense, like I said, the word consistency keeps
Speaker 1: popping into my head because you see that and just
Speaker 1: when you want to say, oh man, they got this
Speaker 1: pass rush going again, band rush with a tackle for loss,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith looks good. They're doing they're doing great. Then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they go out there and they
Speaker 1: play a game like they did against the Jets, where
Speaker 1: they're giving up big plays and chunk plays and explosive
Speaker 1: plays and they're losing a football game. And then the
Speaker 1: fans are howling. Yeah, they're always howling. Although the mail
Speaker 1: the mail bag has been a little less full. Sweet
Speaker 1: there's let's explain about Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that's the way
Speaker 1: it works. Am I wrong? Though? I mean defense? Defense?
Speaker 1: I mean the kickers kind of said, shut the hell up,
Speaker 1: brought us, We don't need to replace me, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I still I still maybe I just don't
Speaker 1: get so close. Yeah, that's that's sixty three yards. Think
Speaker 1: about that. Tom Dempsey yard, Yeah, oh you know what.
Speaker 1: And I had this answer question and I went back
Speaker 1: and look because somebody was worried about, well, what if
Speaker 1: he comes up short, who's gonna who's gonna tackle the returners?
Speaker 1: The only offensive guy, I mean, a non lineman out
Speaker 1: there was Witten, the holder and the kicker. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: here's what I noticed. And I don't and tell me
Speaker 1: if this happens, because I didn't. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: seen it before. On the kick, six of those offensive
Speaker 1: were spring Yeah. Absolutely, they were sprinting. Mickey's right. I've
Speaker 1: never seen that before. Yeah. It was one of those
Speaker 1: things where obviously Keith O'Quinn and them had told this
Speaker 1: the group, Okay, listen, we're gonna try this, but you
Speaker 1: guys have got to cover it. And you got a
Speaker 1: fan out one hand. Garnade can't get you all. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta have you gotta be fanned out there and
Speaker 1: then and tackling and hope you can make the play.
Speaker 1: They were Mickey's right, though. They were all in the
Speaker 1: sprint to try and make sure that thing got home.
Speaker 1: It looked like the charge of the heavy brigade lumbering
Speaker 1: down field. I still don't understand why they didn't just
Speaker 1: come up with a all out block on that. You
Speaker 1: know that teams need to figure that out. That this
Speaker 1: guy can make kicks from sixty something yards, you might
Speaker 1: want to rush him a little bit three of them now, yeah, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: all right, We're gonna take a break and then we'll
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Speaker 1: said that the Cowboys are going to win a game.
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Speaker 1: there go man Mickey decided that's the only game on
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Speaker 1: He will be back, yep, quicker than ever. Yes, he will,
Speaker 1: all right. Joshua Crisp on Twitter says, love the show, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: thank you. My question is do you see the Cowboys
Speaker 1: make any trades or moves in this buy a week? Thanks? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What ten days you wait before the trade deadline next
Speaker 1: Tuesday at three o'clock. I would try and trade Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown for something me personally. If you know he's not
Speaker 1: going to be here next year. And if you feel
Speaker 1: good about it, and I know it goes against what
Speaker 1: Mickey says because you need all these corners, and Mickey's
Speaker 1: not wrong about that, but if you if, in fact,
Speaker 1: if it helps Jordan Lewis get to play more, I
Speaker 1: would think about it. But I don't think that Chris
Speaker 1: Rashard would do that. But maybe you know, you could
Speaker 1: go player for player. Maybe one of these teams have
Speaker 1: given up on, you know, that second half of the season.
Speaker 1: But a team that's given up on the second half, yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't looking for an Anthony Brown. No, But I mean
Speaker 1: if you're if you know, I'm trying to think a
Speaker 1: player for player without having to give up a pick,
Speaker 1: without giving up a pick. But I think there's also
Speaker 1: two There was there's a risk that you almost have
Speaker 1: to take a gamble to get a quality player. You
Speaker 1: have to give up something of quality. And if you're
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, maybe you feel like, well, if we could
Speaker 1: get this thing turned around. You know it's four and
Speaker 1: three when the divis maybe your picks in the late twenties.
Speaker 1: Last year, you know that they made that a Mary
Speaker 1: Cooper trade. That thing was in the teams. That thing
Speaker 1: was in the top ten at one time and then
Speaker 1: it ended up being twenty seven. And there's no wide
Speaker 1: receiver on the board in that draft last year that went.
Speaker 1: It was better than a Mariy Cooper. Coach Gorudon probably
Speaker 1: thought he was getting a higher pick at the time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he got his running back out of that,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I think he got his
Speaker 1: running back to the kid from Alabama. But what can
Speaker 1: I get for a fourth or a fifth? Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. I mean it might even take a third,
Speaker 1: but I mean I probably a backup three technique because
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones has been asked about this, and I think
Speaker 1: he said something like on the fan, it's they don't
Speaker 1: foresee like a sell the farm type deal like a Cooper, which, yea,
Speaker 1: that that one. That's it to me, that's a generational
Speaker 1: type trade because that was an unusual circumstance. Coach Gruden
Speaker 1: in Oakland, they're starting over, you know, that doesn't really
Speaker 1: present itself too often. They don't, and this team doesn't
Speaker 1: love parting with first round draft picks, so they don't
Speaker 1: the thing. Look what it did though, to help your team? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was incredible. It's been. It turned your team team around,
Speaker 1: it turns your quarterback around. You You helped your quarterback
Speaker 1: immensely with that trade, you know. But it's so hard now,
Speaker 1: especially if you're training for quality players. What Jacksonville got
Speaker 1: for Ramsey makes it so hard. If you said, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: well and I'm just throwing a name out there, if
Speaker 1: you asked up to the Jets and asked them for
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams, you know, we we'd heard some whispers about
Speaker 1: oh well you know this and that. But now with
Speaker 1: the with you know someone saying when we got two
Speaker 1: ones in a got two ones into three or two
Speaker 1: ns into four, that's sell the farm. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's one of those things where it makes it
Speaker 1: hard to for a team if they want to give
Speaker 1: up a quality player. Well, okay, let's talk about this then,
Speaker 1: and I got we got the draft show tomorrow at three.
Speaker 1: By the way, Tom Suskowski's our new co host on
Speaker 1: the Oh wow, all right, so about time somebody got
Speaker 1: them working again. Well, I got to say about some
Speaker 1: time you get to make the show better is what
Speaker 1: you're at myself. But but but is there is there
Speaker 1: a position Mickey throughout there. The three technique is is that?
Speaker 1: Is that the is that the best we can do?
Speaker 1: You think the three technique beef inside? Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: disagree with him on that. And you know, and Malie
Speaker 1: Collins had his probably best game. Yeah, and his contracts
Speaker 1: up too. But I'm looking at positions where okay, what
Speaker 1: if you lose a guy and and well, then important
Speaker 1: a position is and where you are setting offensive tackle making.
Speaker 1: It was gonna say it, yeah tackle didn't want to
Speaker 1: interrupt Bill, Yeah, like we're doing now, right, But what
Speaker 1: I got me thinking about it. It was Quinn's rib
Speaker 1: injury the other day. It turns out it's not serious. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: oh no, that's about a rusher, an extra one that
Speaker 1: you can who who's playing because you're rotating those guys anyway, right,
Speaker 1: I mean you've lost Tyrone Crawford, who was who was
Speaker 1: gonna be an essential part of this team, Who can go,
Speaker 1: who could play inside or outside on the defensive line.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for someone to replace Tyrone Crawford. Basically, it's
Speaker 1: Hyder right now. Hider's the guy that play in position
Speaker 1: on the line. It's done a nice job. The idea
Speaker 1: was we're gonna have Carry Hyder and Tyrone Crawford, so
Speaker 1: we still Needford. I like Mickey's three technique, though I
Speaker 1: do something inside. I like more tackle, but either tackle,
Speaker 1: offensive tackle or defensive. All right, that's the homework assignment
Speaker 1: for tomorrow. Let's get on what's up with players play
Speaker 1: players to acquire. In the next week, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: the draft show too. There you go, all right, talk
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