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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noman.

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Speaker 3: They called me Bed. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: argue you are here. That makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 3: don't want you to know. Now, guys, I'm thinking for

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Speaker 3: the beginning of this we get into like, let's really

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Speaker 3: set the scene, Dylan Andrew. Could we get some kind

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Speaker 3: of like ominous you know, espionage music? Perfect? Yeah, No,

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Speaker 3: give us like you're great at this. Noom, give us

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Speaker 3: like a give us like a want to beat. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: I like it. I like it. Here we go. I

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Speaker 3: love a throat seeing. So we're setting the scene. A

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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist. Let's say, Matt, Noel, you and I

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Speaker 3: have all gathered together. We're off the books. We're in

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Speaker 3: and out of the way cafe. It's a side street

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Speaker 3: in Vienna and uh, Noel, Matt, we're grabbing coffee. Uh,

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Speaker 3: whichever you like to order. Remember, there is symbolism involved.

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Speaker 3: So we're having a polite conversation with a well dressed, unremarkable,

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Speaker 3: middle aged gentleman. And we've all, you know, all four

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Speaker 3: of us have seen this guy here and there at

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Speaker 3: previous parties. He speaks with a refined pod Oxford tented

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Speaker 3: our friends in Moscow. In this conversation, which is polite

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Speaker 3: as pie, he speaks for Moscow. And so he comes

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Speaker 3: to us, Matt Nole and he he we're getting You know,

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Speaker 3: Nole's got cafe Olay, Matt, what kind of thing do

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Speaker 3: you get at a coffee bar?

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Speaker 2: Keeps barkeep? Yes, yes, I'll have I'll have one. Bailey's

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Speaker 2: in a shoe.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Bailey's in a shoe. Cafe Ola, h call me espresso.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: We're having this very polite conversation with this guy, and

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Speaker 3: he places two documents on the table. The first document

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Speaker 3: week in Saint Petersburg. Turns out a US diplomat pulled

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Speaker 3: man on a motorbike. The second document shows a photo

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Speaker 3: that all of us recognize. It's a man that we

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Speaker 3: internally call John Smith. He's been held in Russian custody

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Speaker 3: for three years now. And this well dressed man putting

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Speaker 3: at a wonderful time in our conversation, So why rock

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Speaker 4: Geez, yeah, I'll do whatever you say, buddy. That accent.

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Speaker 2: Is this story referencing the actual crash and death that

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Speaker 3: Which we will get to. Uh, let's say, loosely inspired

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Speaker 3: by possible events.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wow, yeah we do? What do we do?

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Speaker 4: It's not only for us to do. He's kind of

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Speaker 4: I mean, we kind of know where things stand, right.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that the whole idea that we're being strong armed

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Speaker 2: But wait, who were we? Why is he telling us?

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Speaker 3: Are we We're uh, we're just some guys at a cafe.

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Speaker 2: Weird horses.

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Speaker 3: So folks, welcome to our episode on diplomatic immunity.

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Speaker 2: Do you love me?

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Speaker 4: I know it's a reference to Matt.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we all know it, just like we're at the cafe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, excuse me, uh Viennese server. Could we have

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Speaker 3: one more Bailey's in a shoe another cafe Oley and

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Speaker 3: espresso and my friend, Hey, would you.

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Speaker 4: Like Earl Gray?

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Speaker 3: Earl Gray? Sleepy time in a busy town.

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Speaker 4: Let's hit a quick sponsor break and we'll be back

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Speaker 4: with more on diplomatic immunity.

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Speaker 3: Here are the facts, all right, what is diplomatic immunity?

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Speaker 3: First off, you know, obviously it's I don't know. The

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Speaker 4: Can we also say a real quick right up front?

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Speaker 4: It's some bulls?

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Speaker 4: Training video from the nineties, Matt, when you're describing this

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but feels yes, yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: So diplomatic immunity, what these things are trying to show, right,

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Speaker 2: is the literal immunity that certain individual human beings have

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Speaker 3: To the rule of law. Yeah, it's it's at the

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Speaker 3: most basic level, it's the idea that certain human individuals,

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Speaker 3: And to this point, you know, obviously it's sounds a

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Speaker 4: Question, is this the kind of thing that the current

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Speaker 3: Well, as we'll see, there are a lot of conspiratorial

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Speaker 3: soft factors involved. That's an excellent question, and it's one

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Speaker 3: that people have wrestled with for no kidding millennia. History

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Speaker 3: has proven that concepts like diplomatic immunity are surprisingly ancient.

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Speaker 3: You can go to Indian epics like the Ramayana, you

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Speaker 4: Unless you're the mouth of Sauron, in which case you

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Speaker 2: See, But guys Plutarch and Sophocles taught us about these

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Speaker 2: We're got so angry at the bad news that was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I certainly think there's way problematic issues

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and as always, let's go to the primary source.

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Speaker 3: Tigrain sat while war was already blazing around him, giving

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's the point, right, That's kind of the

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Speaker 2: It is this weird little game that we've talked about

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Speaker 2: but it is directly tied to it.

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Speaker 3: And as we'll see, there are other forms of immunity

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Speaker 3: as well. I mean, like this is the great point.

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Speaker 3: It is not to say that everyone always respects this

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Speaker 3: Everybody said, you know, this is dirty pool, this is

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. Before we go below the belt, guys,

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Speaker 3: there's logic to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, metonomy Like in our early you know, our opening

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Speaker 3: even if we don't have you know, modern laws, if

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Speaker 3: have violated divine protocols the gods. The gods should punish.

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Speaker 4: It's an act of war at the very least, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and happened very many times, especially as the kanate

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Speaker 2: But it's made a lot of deals too.

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Speaker 3: It's made so many deals. That's part of it. There

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Speaker 2: If I if I go into the Nordstrum somewhere and

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Speaker 4: The thing's question, do they get to keep the stuff?

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Speaker 3: All right, you said you were going to be cool man.

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Speaker 4: I'm just asking, I'm just it seems like there has

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Speaker 3: All right, Yes, and that's perfect. That's our first misconception,

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Speaker 3: Right like, if we all just get a wild hair

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Speaker 3: Yeah, picture it like DMV or DDS. Our official line

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Speaker 3: an embassy, you are automatically on sovereign territory. That is

435
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: not quite true. You do not automatically get the rights

436
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: guaranteed in US law just because you made it past

437
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 3: the front gate. There are exemptions and exceptions to this,

438
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 3: to all of these concepts. Most notably and horrifically, I

439
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: think we've all seen the stories of North Korean refugees

440
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: escaping the Hermit Kingdom and getting by hook or by

441
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: crook to mainland China and then risking their lives to

442
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: get past those front gates for the r ok that

443
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 3: be South Korea to most Americans, or to the US

444
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: embassy or another friendly, friendly country, And you can see

445
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: terrible videos of Chinese authorities literally snatching these people by

446
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: the back of the neck as there as they're almost.

447
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 4: To freedom by the scruss.

448
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: Just so, and if China catches these folks first, they're

449
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: considered not refugees but rather illegal economic immigrants. They're deported

450
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: back to a life of horror in the DPRK. So

451
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: there are exceptions, sort of like how for a long

452
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: time during the Cold War, United States standing policy is, hey,

453
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: we don't like illegal immigration, but if you are from

454
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: Cuba and you touch foot on the soil, we got you.

455
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: Not if you're Haitian, not if you're from the Dominican Republic,

456
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: but specifically, if you're from Cuba and you make that

457
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: ninety mile trek, then we got you. So there are

458
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 3: many exceptions to these ideas of immunity.

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure. And the State Department wants you to

460
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: know that just because someone has immunity doesn't mean they

461
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: have immunity of consequences for their actions.

462
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: Right.

463
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Speaker 2: They're very they're very strict about this, and they say,

464
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: just because some nobody can't get arrested for a felony

465
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: they committed, doesn't mean that the State Department isn't going

466
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: to get a full detailed report of that incident, and

467
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: then maybe the embassy itself or the consulate or the

468
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Speaker 2: State Department will take action.

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Speaker 4: That could mean losing your job at the very least,

470
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Speaker 4: right or getting stripped of your diplomatic you know, schrcial powers.

471
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, you nailed it. There are consequences

472
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: because being exempt from like having diplomatic immunity in a

473
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Speaker 3: destination country or a country of residents, does not provide

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Speaker 3: diplomatic immunity in a country of origin.

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Speaker 4: And let's just remember too that this all even comes

476
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 4: into play and stuff kicks in when you get caught,

477
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 4: well everybody knows, you know, and then it becomes a

478
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: potential diplomatic crisis or a pr night. There has to

479
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 4: be dealt with in some way, you know, to keep

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Speaker 4: the relationship between the countries, you know, in good standing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, many variables, And I want to spend a second

482
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 3: before we move on to that idea of getting caught. Yes,

483
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: getting officially caught is not the same thing as the

484
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: polite conversation we had at the top of this show

485
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Speaker 3: in Vienna.

486
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it's not the same thing. It's also getting

487
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: caught by a police officer that just lets you go

488
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: isn't the same thing as being caught in the public eye,

489
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Speaker 2: right if And and let's let's get to this next

490
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Speaker 2: point about diplomats and consular employees driving vehicles in LAS

491
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: parking violations, moving violations, driving traffic, motor violations.

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Speaker 3: Right right, Dy's as well.

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, like this is a big This is

494
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Speaker 2: a real big deal. And we talked about it when

495
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: we were we went we went pretty deep into the

496
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: diplomatic relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia a

497
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: while back, and we talked about this a bit.

498
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Speaker 3: But our previous episode, why does the US let Saudi

499
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: fugitives flee the country? We're gonna spend some time on

500
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: that later too. Okay, we recorded that in twenty twenty.

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00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so not that long ago. Oh my god,

502
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: you can't believe for so far from twenty twenty already.

503
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: But this is this is a huge deal because, just

504
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: like that other example, the Statement Department goes into some

505
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: of these violations, including getting like anyone else in the

506
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: world would get a DUI if they were definitely intoxicated

507
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: and crash their very nice consular vehicle into a railing

508
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: and destroy their vehicle. But in that case, a police

509
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: officer cannot arrest that person for any of those things.

510
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: They just have to let them go and notify the

511
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Speaker 2: State Department.

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Speaker 3: See the car, make the call. Yeah, this is a

513
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: third lighter misconception parking violations. It's a whole ridiculous bag

514
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: at badgers. We do want to recommend an excellent piece

515
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: from NPR way back in twenty eleven. Shout out to

516
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: the journalist Mark Memmett who points out that Washington, d C,

517
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: and New York City in particular are still quarreling with

518
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: various foreign diplomats and embassies regarding parking tickets. Now, if

519
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: you've ever been to New York City or d C,

520
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: first off, they're great towns. They're two of the best

521
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: towns in the entirety of the United States, and parking

522
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: sucks there. Parking is a hostile environment in DC. And

523
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: these folks have people, they have, you know, stuff to do.

524
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: Matters as state. It's ongoing. But the scary thing is,

525
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: unlike an average person, a non diplomat committing a crime,

526
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: every crime you commit in this role is negotiable. That's

527
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: where the danger lies.

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Speaker 2: Oh dude. In the example the State Department gave of

529
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: that dui dude. Who the dui dude? It was in Maryland,

530
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: by the way, right outside d C. I think in

531
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: Arundel County makes sense. It's where it all happened. The embassy,

532
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: his home country's embassy that's within the United States ended

533
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: up terminating his assignment and sent him home, and the

534
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: US State Department suspended his license that he got through them,

535
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: and they made him pay for this for his three

536
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: other violations, which I'm pretty sure we're parking violations as

537
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: you're talking about, Ben, But so so there are consequences

538
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: for these things, right, But it's not at all, as

539
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: you're saying, the same way that anybody else would get

540
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: would have to deal with consequences.

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Speaker 3: Right Right, it's a it's a different it's still a pop,

542
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: but it's a different kind and we're not going to

543
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: reuse that sound. C The other the other thing we

544
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: have to set up here is that this type of

545
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: immunity is not permanent, nor is it consistent. One of

546
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: the first things they really hammer home in DOS or

547
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: in any foreign ministry kind of employment regimen is the following.

548
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 3: Your origin country can always get a call and they

549
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: can agree to waive immunity just because you know you

550
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: are the high muckety muck for whatever Ottoman Empire is

551
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: in vogue. It doesn't mean the Ottoman Empire is required

552
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: to support you. They can get the call and they

553
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: can say, oh yeah, ah man, beat me here Dylan.

554
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 3: They can say, oh yeah, no, yeah, fuck that guy.

555
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 3: Put him under the jail. You can meet with consequences.

556
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 3: And it's all because despite the modern legalese and all

557
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: the accords and whatnot, this is still the ancient gentleman's agreement.

558
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 3: People are still just sort of handshaking on this thing.

559
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Speaker 3: And that should scare you.

560
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, absolutely, just to get in that

561
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: idea that you put forward, been the idea that diplomatic

562
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: community has varying degrees, right, Because there's one last example

563
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: I want to put out here from that video. I'm

564
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: sorry the guys I got all hypes on this animated

565
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 2: State Department video. This one other thing.

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Speaker 3: They're really good, by the way, everybody should check them out.

567
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys know the highway four hundred that goes

568
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: from Atlanta up north. Now, there's an example from Roswell, Georgia,

569
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 2: which is a town along that highway as you're going

570
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 2: back into the city, where a dude got pulled over

571
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: on August fourth. They didn't give it like a year.

572
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but he was going ninety two

573
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: miles per hour on four hundred, which is a big no.

574
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: No police officer lights and sirens pulled the guy over.

575
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: He showed yep, he showed his State Department ID. It

576
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: got checked there via the phone number you call on

577
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: the back, and it was noted that this guy does

578
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: have diplomatic community. But the state department says this quote

579
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: the driver, as a consular officer, has immunity only for

580
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: his consular functions, so he had to appear before a

581
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: criminal court for charges regarding non official acts. So in

582
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: this case, he got cited for like unsafe driving and

583
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: like because he was going so fast over the speed limit,

584
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 2: which I believe is like fifty five maybe sixty five

585
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: right in that area. But he did have to end

586
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: up going to court for that for those charges. But

587
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: this is what the State Department finishes that with. This

588
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: is the case for most consular officers, but there are

589
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: some exceptions, So always call the state department, and that

590
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: is speaking directly to law enforcement officers.

591
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: Just check in and we'll get to that point about

592
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: official versus personal duties as well. Well. We got to

593
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: hit you with here, folks, is that there are obviously

594
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: a lot of loopholes, caveats, soft variables, asterisk so on.

595
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: As a result, it is sadly not surprising that the

596
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: concept of diplomatic immunity has been corrupted, conspired with, leveraged,

597
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: and abused. And that's what we're looking at tonight. We're

598
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 3: going to take a break for a word from our sponsors,

599
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: and then we'll ask what happens when this immunity goes wrong?

600
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: Years where it gets crazy? All right? First type of

601
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: corruption with this the funniest one. We have it in

602
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: the notes as uh, screw you guys.

603
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's about right.

604
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what happens though? What is screw you guys

605
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 3: as the first type of corruption? Yeah?

606
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 4: I think it's relatively self explanatory. In some cases, when

607
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: a foreign government and gets into a situation involving diplomatic community,

608
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 4: they may just decide to ignore the rules of that

609
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 4: country that their person is deployed in. So this is

610
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 4: once again kind of a callback to some of those

611
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: ancient examples of don't kill the messenger diplomatic community, you know,

612
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 4: one point zero. So, just as there were warlords of

613
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 4: the time who might slice the head off of someone

614
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 4: bringing some particularly unwelcome news and send that head back

615
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: to the rival rulers as a sign of their displeasure.

616
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: Dare we say an act of war. More modern governments,

617
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: you know, have exercised a slightly less dramatic, but equally

618
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 4: fu form of violating terms of the Vienna Convention numerous times.

619
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Speaker 4: This has happened over the course of more modern history.

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Speaker 4: It often happens during periods of international or regional dispute,

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Speaker 4: particularly when there is something of an uprising or a revolution.

622
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, pre war and during war, that's when the paranoia

623
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Speaker 2: gets its worst.

624
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Speaker 4: I mean, technically, isn't all time not during war?

625
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Speaker 3: Pre war you know that's good? Or post war? Yeah?

626
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, post war is another form of pre war. As

627
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 4: we know, it's common.

628
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't kill them in post war. That's

629
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: when you.

630
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Speaker 4: Watch it, when you try to be nice and make agreements.

631
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Speaker 3: Nuremberg has entered the chat. The idea is, I would

632
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: argue human civilization is in a toxic relationship with itself. Yes,

633
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: just a few periods in between violence. What I love

634
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 3: about the example you're setting out there, Nolu. The anecdote

635
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Speaker 3: of warlords of old deciding or choosing how they send

636
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: their reply or their message. It reminds me of the

637
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 3: old joke I don't know a familiar with this is

638
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: with a lot of people. But uh, the old joke

639
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: goes the guy, one of the court members opens the

640
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: box that has returned from the connet and they find

641
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: human head with the word no written on it, and

642
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: they really need the know's. Yeah no, it's it's insult injury,

643
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 3: they said, your highness, I believe the con has replied, Yeah, yeah,

644
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: with revolutions. We got two examples that will be helpful

645
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: here and hopefully uh memorable to all of us playing

646
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 3: along tonight. Them then receiving a head in a box, Well,

647
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 3: we're not going to send heads. I don't think we

648
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Speaker 3: have it in the budget.

649
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Speaker 4: They are quite pricey, especially they're really photo realistic looking

650
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 4: fake ones.

651
00:41:54,280 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: Pinkies exclusively, yeah or pinky toes mm toes, very very much,

652
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: in my opinion, an overrated part of Human Anatomy.

653
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: Check out the dailies.

654
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: Oh all right, all right, so.

655
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: It's the French Revolution. There's this guy named Napoleon. He's

656
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: most famous for being in Bill and Ted's excellent Adventure

657
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 3: the first one.

658
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 4: Uh pivotal, Yes, pivotal character.

659
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: Really the star of the show, this guy Napoleon, who

660
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: was not that short. He went crazy arresting all foreign

661
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: diplomats he could touch during his rise to power and

662
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: his ascendancy toward the French Empire. And he he did

663
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: this despite the sort of gentleman's agreement about diplomatic immunity.

664
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: He arrested all these folks because he said they're actively

665
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 3: conspiring against the new France.

666
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 4: This sounds really familiar, This sounds well.

667
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: Enemies from all the countries.

668
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 3: Well, history would proved Napoleon Batch crazy for a number

669
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: of reasons, but it would also prove him correct in

670
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: this regard. The monarchical powers of Europe were super pissed

671
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: at him, and they were doing anything they could to

672
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 3: kill him.

673
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 4: Well, when you treat everyone like an enemy for long enough,

674
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 4: they eventually become enemies. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

675
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: So weird that works.

676
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 4: Well.

677
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: Then, in nineteen seventy nine, we had another revolution, this

678
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 2: time in Iran, and it was a whole other bag

679
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: of badgers.

680
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 4: That's right. Fifty three US citizens that included diplomats, were

681
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 4: held hostage inside the US embassy in Tehran. The Iranian

682
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 4: revolution really could be a series unto itself. But we'll

683
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 4: just talk about how this impacted the idea of diplomatic community.

684
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 4: The positive note is, of course that the hostages were released. However,

685
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: it's a bit of a play, you know, when you

686
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 4: look at the timing, it doesn't it just feels, you know,

687
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 4: But that's sort of the nature of a lot of

688
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: these diplomatic deals. They're all kind of strategic plays.

689
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: And now you can go back to twenty eighteen and

690
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: listen to our episode that we did on Iran back

691
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: in the day. Can't remember what it was called, but

692
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: it was about the imperial time in Iran and then

693
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: how everything changed, and I think we even touched on

694
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: this exact revolution.

695
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: You can also watch this popular Western media. You can

696
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 3: watch film adaptations like Argo I think it's called, which

697
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: goes into a hostage crisis.

698
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 4: Where they made like a fake movie and that was true,

699
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 4: that actually happened.

700
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, those hostages are released on January twentieth, nineteen eighty one.

701
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 3: This shows us that there are bigger issues not just

702
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: with the concept of diplomatic immunity, but with the concept

703
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: of international accords in general. The rules only work when

704
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: every one agrees to follow them, just like painted lines

705
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: on the interstate are the only things stopping other cars.

706
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 3: From swarping at.

707
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: You, and that nice thing that some new cars have

708
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: that makes you stay in the same lane, but sometimes

709
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: doesn't understand what lanes are.

710
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 4: So it beeps at you when it turns off that

711
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: lea's mind does I've.

712
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: Been using it.

713
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 4: It actually works relatively well most of the time.

714
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: Or it makes you try and turn into traffic across

715
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 2: the line because it doesn't understand it's a line.

716
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, like how early GPS services would say the best

717
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 3: possible move is for you to take this impossible left.

718
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, through the woods.

719
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: Through the woods, over the river. Yes, yeah, Look, if

720
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 3: a given state doesn't want to play along, there are

721
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: sovereign power the international community can impose consequences carrot and

722
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 3: stick stuff right sanctions. We're gonna pull out of this deal,

723
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: But if we exercise empathy, you realize these macro maneuvers,

724
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: they're not really helpful to the individuals who have been detained, imprisoned, tortured,

725
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: or murdered in the meantime. And you know, we're not

726
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: going to get too into this for our own time here,

727
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 3: but we also suggest to you folks that there are

728
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: state powers currently using quote unquote terrorist groups as proxies

729
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: when they violate diplomatic immunities, so they can say, oh

730
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 3: my gosh, it wasn't us. You guys, we're just as

731
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: confused and pissed off and worried as you. You know. Oh,

732
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 3: by the way, you have a few of our very

733
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 3: innocent people in your prison. If you consider a trade

734
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: of some sort, we can talk with these terrorists, even

735
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 3: though we don't know them, again and we definitely don't

736
00:46:53,280 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: control them, Maybe we can work something out. Wow, spooky, stuffy. Yeah,

737
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 3: sometimes immunity doesn't It just doesn't work. That's not the

738
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: worst part. Let's go to the second type of corruption, uh, crimes.

739
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: Who doesn't love to do a good crime? Don't email us?

740
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 4: Just really feel good? This really makes you feel alive.

741
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, just have a feeling, you know.

742
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 4: So.

743
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: Diplomatic immunity can be weaponized as a cover for criminal activity.

744
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: As was pointed out earlier, the law and all international

745
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: accords technically do not cover. You don't get immunity if

746
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 3: you are doing private acts that are unrelated to official duties.

747
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 3: To spend this out. That means that if you are

748
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: if you are a top level diplomat, you get caught

749
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: doing something unclean and creepy or just dumb and impulsive

750
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: like shoplifting. You would have to prove that's part of

751
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: your official duties. That doesn't mean you automatically get in trouble.

752
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 3: But if you or your legal team can make a

753
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 3: case that says, you know, this guy is stealing snacks

754
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 3: and one tourist hat as a diplomat, as a representative

755
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: of the UK or the US, then you scooch it.

756
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 4: Is that the same as leaning him.

757
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 5: I'm not sure, okay, fair, Oh oh, oh, guys, I

758
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 5: can't believe I haven't already brought it up. Whenever we

759
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 5: talk about diplomats, I'm always fascinated by this, this idea

760
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 5: of this attached a case or this diplomatic pouch that

761
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 5: everyone's always screaming about. That's where all the secrets are hidden, right, that's.

762
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 3: The hot one. Yeah, diplomatic pouch or diplomatic.

763
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 4: Bag, diplomatic capoose if you will, here we.

764
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: Go, diplomatic valise, diplomatic shipping container.

765
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: Career in all shapes and sizes, diplomatic Fannie pack.

766
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: It's kind of like how any airplane the US President

767
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 3: is on is air Force one. It becomes that. So

768
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: anything you put the right official stamp, lock and seal on.

769
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: That container gets some of the same rights that individual

770
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 3: diplomats have as people. You've got a bit of immunity.

771
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 3: Your container cannot be searched. It can't be seized so

772
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: long as it contains articles for official diplomatic use.

773
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: Huh huh. How do you confirm if said items enclosed

774
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: are for official use?

775
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 4: Well, you can't because you can't look inside. Don't ask

776
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: stupid questions. Back what no cheating? Sort of a Schrodinger's situation.

777
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: Yea, I say so, Therefore it is right right, right.

778
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: This is methemphetamine for government purposes, so you can stay

779
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: late to do all the work.

780
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

781
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: These North Korean counterfeit supernotes are for the Swiss Bank,

782
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: not for you, guys. Don't cham us up. You said

783
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 3: you were being cool. Yeah. North Korean officials have used

784
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: diploma pouches to smuggle drugs counterfeit currency. One example of

785
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: how easy it is for this stuff to go wrong.

786
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember back in twenty twelve, someone not

787
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 3: officially identified used counterfeit diplomatic pouches to send thirty five

788
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 3: pounds of cocaine straight to the UN.

789
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 4: That's a lot of pouches. Broh, it was.

790
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 3: Two bags, I think, yeah, two bags they officially caught.

791
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: I guess that one.

792
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 4: That's a question that I have though, like the nature

793
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 4: of the pouch in terms of it being an accessory. Oh,

794
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 4: it can be anything, or is it like a particular

795
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 4: style or brand.

796
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: You can ship huge things in these huge pouches they've created,

797
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: as long as it's got that State Department official language

798
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: and stuff.

799
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, contains like it just needs the lock and

800
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: seal and the super fish stamp.

801
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, or if you just I'm looking around, I'm imagining

802
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: stuff that I could fit into some of the pouches

803
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: I've seen. You could fit a guitar in some of them.

804
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: And they have this like brown kind of color that

805
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: is just off putting in a weird way.

806
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 4: Who can also forced me to do it?

807
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: I'm googling, Like here, I have a lunch box from

808
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 3: our friends at McSweeney's with the right stamping, with the

809
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 3: right heraldry signage and lock and seal. This would qualify

810
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: as a diplomatic pouch. WHOA, that's yeah, cool lunchbox too,

811
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: you know what.

812
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 4: Some of these are more like diplomatic duffel bags. And

813
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 4: they're like diplomatic bag, the property the People's Republic of China.

814
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 4: A twelve five eighty seven is the one that I'm

815
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 4: looking at. And then there's one or like literally a

816
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 4: wooden shipping container with that stamp on it and like

817
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 4: draped with a velveted cloth that says diplomatic pouch.

818
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 3: That's correct. Yeah, classic, sweet. Yeah, they've got this style

819
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: over function.

820
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 4: Sure. Actually they're big into function overfunction. They're they're an

821
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 4: equal measure of style.

822
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: What's that aesthetic called hemma? The Swedish concept is this

823
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: aesthetic of living comfortably? We agree with it anyway. This

824
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 3: the thing with this smuggling of massive amounts of cocaine

825
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: is that they were not using real diplo bags. They

826
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 3: knew most people do not understand what those look like.

827
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 3: So they made a close counterfeit and it made it

828
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: all the way from Mexico City to New York City,

829
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: primarily because most people couldn't tell the difference, and they

830
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: got shook. They saw something that looked like a bag

831
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 3: they have maybe seen earlier, or looked like signage they

832
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: have maybe seen earlier, and they said, oh, okay, we

833
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 3: gotta you know, move this forward. It didn't get popped

834
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: until it made it all the way to the actual

835
00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 3: United Nations.

836
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: Dude, Okay, let's talk about that. So if you put

837
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: a phone number on that bag, that is like a

838
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: lot of the other state department signage for diplomatic purposes,

839
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: like the ones that's on the license the licenses that

840
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: people carry, like the one that you can find on

841
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: a license plate on some state department issues cars. Sure,

842
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: you just call that number, and whoever's on the other end,

843
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: you ask questions or try and confirm is this bag legit?

844
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: And you probably, if you're like me who called like

845
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: one of these numbers earlier today, you just believe whatever

846
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: the person on the other end of the line says.

847
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: So it could be a fake number.

848
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 2: Yes, you just put a fake number, and now you just, oh,

849
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: this is that's kind of terrifying.

850
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately, I don't know if it works anymore. But

851
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: this was a great exploit and you absolutely nailed it.

852
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 3: There's also a log record of people pretending to be diplomats,

853
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 3: which is also cartoonishly easy, you know, if you've got

854
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: your vinegar about you.

855
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 4: We do have to say, though, this.

856
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 3: Is the part we really want to get to yes,

857
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: some individual diplomats and people we could call VIPs do

858
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: get away with stuff, a lot of stuff with very

859
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: few things in the way of actual consequences. And speaking

860
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: of crime, yes, individual diplomats and people we could call

861
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 3: VIPs do get away with stuff up to child abuse,

862
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: domestic violence, manslaughter, willful murder. It gets really dirty, really quick.

863
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 3: And that is going to be part two of our

864
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 3: series on diplomatic immunity.

865
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 4: It feels right, there's just so much there and it's

866
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 4: really truly kind of plumbing the darker depths of this topic.

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Speaker 4: So please tune in for part two.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime. Thank you so much for tuning in,

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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist, diplomat, non diplomats, criminals and non criminals alike.

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Speaker 3: We can't thank you enough for your time. We want

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Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts, your experiences. Tell us if you've

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Speaker 3: ever seen a shady diplomatic pouch. We try to be

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Speaker 4: I'd like to put forth that the producer and DJ

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Speaker 4: Diplo is missing out on a crucial merch opportunity. You

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Speaker 2: Are the pouches that play his songs when you open them?

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's how you know it's real.

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, And what are some ideas that you might

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Speaker 4: On Instagram and TikTok. However, we're conspiracy stuff show.

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Speaker 2: We have a phone number. You can call it right now.

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Speaker 2: It's one eight six six two one seven two o

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Speaker 2: Command Center.

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Speaker 4: Call that one to leave them. You don't even have

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Speaker 4: to limit it three minutes.

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Speaker 3: I call them all the time. Ask for Steve.

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Speaker 2: Just actually, let's not harass the State Department has.

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Speaker 3: Just check in with Steve's your reasonable questions.

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Speaker 4: We're also lonely.

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Speaker 2: They are available twenty four to seven.

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