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Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, Good afternoon, sir, Good afternoon. Well, we want

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Speaker 1: to know, first and foremost, how hyped are you about

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Speaker 1: the Mavericks right now? Well, it's just outstanding the job

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Speaker 1: as we move into the NFL Draft, I was reading

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Speaker 1: a really interesting article the other day about how much

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Speaker 1: more important mental health and discussions about mental health have

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Speaker 1: come have become when talking about draft prospects. Can you

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Speaker 1: tell us anything about how you're supposed to scout that

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Speaker 1: or analyze it in what you do with that information?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think you know, especially if it's an issue,

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Speaker 1: whether it's free agents or potential draft prospects that do

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Speaker 1: the same thing. Set we If we have a real

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Speaker 1: player may have some challenges in that area, then you know,

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Speaker 1: we have our appropriate people meet with those folks. It's

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Speaker 1: being no different than meeting with Jim Jim Mauer on

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Speaker 1: your physical health, so different than meeting with our coaches

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Speaker 1: on the actual on the field stuff. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: just part of the overall evaluation. Stephen, I did ask

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Speaker 1: and I totally understood the like, look, if it's that

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Speaker 1: second round of the draft and moving up there. Y'all

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Speaker 1: the mechanics of draft Day one is over. What are

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Speaker 1: y'all discussing overnight to try and say can we make

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Speaker 1: did it with DeMarcus Lawrence, and it turned out to

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Speaker 1: And you know, we have that exercise where we look

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Speaker 1: So that's you know, why you don't ever rule out

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Speaker 1: make decisions based on that. Steven, I know you talked

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Speaker 1: where we're heading. Well, Stephen, if if there are ever

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