WEBVTT - Black Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>Now time for the episode. On Theme is a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio and Fairweather Friends. Media listening to Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, President Trump, Donald James Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever since June sixteenth, twenty fifteen, when Trump announced he

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<v Speaker 2>was running for president the first time, there has not

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<v Speaker 2>been a day that's gone by that we haven't heard

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<v Speaker 2>his name.

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<v Speaker 1>But we were hearing about the Donald long before he

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<v Speaker 1>became one of the most divisive political figures in modern

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<v Speaker 1>US history.

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<v Speaker 2>From cameos and sitcoms, big parts and movies and references

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<v Speaker 2>and songs, Trump has been a pop culture mainstay for

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<v Speaker 2>a while now. I remember when he announced he was

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<v Speaker 2>running for president, and then I kept hearing all these

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<v Speaker 2>songs that had his name in it that I had

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<v Speaker 2>never paid attention to before. I think there's a word

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the batter Minehoff phenomenon, like you keep seeing or

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<v Speaker 1>hearing a word after learning about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I was hearing all those old songs with

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's name in it, and the references to him were

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<v Speaker 2>pretty positive or at least neutral. So it got me wondering,

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<v Speaker 2>can we track shifts and attitudes toward Donald Trump through

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<v Speaker 2>black media. I have a feeling that we can. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Katie and I'm Eves. Today's episode Black Donald Trump. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you remember the very first time you heard about Trump?

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<v Speaker 1>So, I'm telling the truth that my memory knows. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if it's the real first time I

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard about Donald Trump. But my first memory of

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about and seeing Donald Trump is the You're Fired era.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was just like you're fired everywhere. What was

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the reality television show that he was on,

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<v Speaker 1>The Apprentice? The Apprentice it was, And that might be

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, the first thing that comes to my mind

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<v Speaker 1>as the earliest memory because it was so pervasive, like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody said you're fired. It was a meme within society

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<v Speaker 1>and not just on the Internet, Like, yeah, in real life,

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<v Speaker 1>people were like, you're fired, ha ha ha, it's funny,

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<v Speaker 1>And somehow it was funny for a million times. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like not even that interesting of a phrase.

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<v Speaker 1>And also the fact that all of that was around

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<v Speaker 1>like hostility toward another person. It's also pretty problematic and

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know what was going on there, But

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<v Speaker 1>that's my earliest memory of learning about Trump and knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that he was a hard ass. He was serious about

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<v Speaker 1>his business. You know, he had authority, he had money, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was a personality. Yeah, so that's what I remember.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, The Apprentice was the first time I remember seeing

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and like knowing who he was and like talking

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<v Speaker 2>about him. See, my family was a reality TV family,

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<v Speaker 2>like because you remember like when real TV first got popping,

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<v Speaker 2>like Survivor Big Brother, Like it would come on like

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<v Speaker 2>prime time, you know, Dad come home from work, We

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<v Speaker 2>would come home from school family and watch it. We

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<v Speaker 2>would sit down and watch it. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if we were watching The Apprentice like that, but I

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<v Speaker 2>know I was watching it. Like why I cared about business?

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<v Speaker 2>Like these people were like competing basically for internship.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel also, I mean, why did we care about

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<v Speaker 1>wilderness survival? Why do we care about people living in

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<v Speaker 1>a house together that are doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, why do we care about any of these

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<v Speaker 2>reality TV shows? Hey, they fix it? So we were interested,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was That's what I remember. I definitely gave

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<v Speaker 2>up You're fired out one or two times for the girls,

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<v Speaker 2>girl bars.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time we were aware of Trump, he had

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<v Speaker 2>already cast himself as an eccentric billionaire. Who knows if

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<v Speaker 2>he really was a billionaire, but we knew he was

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<v Speaker 2>a rich white guy with a distinct haircut.

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<v Speaker 1>And by his own admission, he wasn't the nicest guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wasn't trying to be. He was a businessman

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<v Speaker 1>and a business man and at his own brand of

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<v Speaker 1>self mythmaking, one does not reach the upper echelons of society,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Donald worrying about hurting people's feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>Take his cameo in The Fresh Prince, for example.

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<v Speaker 1>In season four, episode twenty five, the bank's family is

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<v Speaker 1>offered a one million dollar profit by an unknown wealthy

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<v Speaker 1>client who wants to buy the family house, and spoiler

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<v Speaker 1>alert alert, that wealthy client turns out to be Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and his then wife Marla Maples.

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<v Speaker 2>When the Donald enters the bank's living room, Carlton faints

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<v Speaker 2>from excitement. Oh my God, and Hillary rushes over to

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<v Speaker 2>give a classic Hillary compliment, Hillary.

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<v Speaker 1>Banks, you know you look much richer in person. Will

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<v Speaker 1>offers to cut the grass every weekend for fifty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like the only person who isn't excited to

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<v Speaker 1>see Trump is Ashley. Thank you for ruining my life, Ashley,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's always blaming me for everything?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually was the woke one, Loki, Yeah, Ashley was the

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<v Speaker 1>woke one, although I think within the context of the episode,

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<v Speaker 1>it was more like a personal problem that she had with.

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<v Speaker 2>The Yeah, it wasn't ideological, but.

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<v Speaker 1>In effect, you know, in the scene, definitely, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was still helpful to show one person that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>completely doting over Donald Trump. I do think that, like

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<v Speaker 1>so many sitcoms, had a tendency to bring somebody in

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<v Speaker 1>and make a big fuss about it, a big ado

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<v Speaker 1>about who that person was, and making sure the people

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<v Speaker 1>knew who it was, because I guess at that time

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<v Speaker 1>most people who were watching were going to know who

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump was, and when he walked in, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really need the it's Donald Trump walking in, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then what they stilled it, But they still did it.

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<v Speaker 2>They had the live audience clap, which I know is

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<v Speaker 2>like time to clap now, But it's interesting too because

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<v Speaker 2>if you notice Philip Banks, the dad and the fresh prince,

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<v Speaker 2>he shakes Trump's hand, Hillary shakes his hand, Carlton Fates,

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<v Speaker 2>Will's trying to get it to Kay on the side,

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley's like openly hostile. But the wife, un Viv, the

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<v Speaker 2>light skinned one, she just kind of stands there. And

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<v Speaker 2>so in a podcast interview she did she said that

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<v Speaker 2>she refused to shake his hand, which I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much of this is just like

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<v Speaker 2>going back and like, oh yeah, like I knew about

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<v Speaker 2>Trump back then, even though he was doing some like

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<v Speaker 2>shisty stuff back then too. But I'm like, or was

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<v Speaker 2>it just like the the wives weren't shaking hands, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like was it really like, oh, I'm making a statement here, or.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some people try to retcon their own careers, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if she's doing that or not. But

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<v Speaker 1>still she did it, so I guess the outcome is

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<v Speaker 1>the outcome. And I Will also say I'm not mad

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<v Speaker 1>at Will him asking for money. I'm not mad at

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<v Speaker 1>especially for cutting the grass, which might have been something

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<v Speaker 1>he was already doing, right, and it was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money he asked for. So I'm also like he

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<v Speaker 1>saw the man and what his usefulness was to him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was trying to take advantage of that. So

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<v Speaker 1>kind of not mad at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I definitely think even the numbers of people

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<v Speaker 2>who were in that scene only one person kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like standing up and saying like, I don't like this dude.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of reflective of how people probably thought of

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<v Speaker 2>Trump back then. Like it's like, oh, he's rich, he

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<v Speaker 2>must be like really smart and really good. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there's like the outliers like naw, this guy sucks actually,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that was probably mirroring greater society.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and then that happened later on era that we

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<v Speaker 1>were witnessed to Trump and his popularity the Apprentice era,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was, you know, the same, like people doting

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<v Speaker 1>on him, you know, and he had done more in

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<v Speaker 1>between those two eras when this episode air and then

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<v Speaker 1>when we were like watching The Apprentice, more had happened

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<v Speaker 1>and people were still acting the same. I wonder do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that the percentages were the same in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of like a simple size if this was a simple

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<v Speaker 1>size of a larger group of people like black people,

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<v Speaker 1>that it would still be like a one to five

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<v Speaker 1>situation where it's like five four of the people are

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<v Speaker 1>like doting on him and one of the people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't fuck with you, and I'm about to show it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely was like, maybe there's more people in like

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<v Speaker 2>the neutral ground than like openly hostile, because I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't privy to all the wow shit he was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I just knew that he was like a rich guy

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<v Speaker 2>who like made a big deal about having a golden toilet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but not like this is a bad guy, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the way things were portrayed back then, it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have gotten that deep.

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<v Speaker 1>No, for you to think that, yeah, very surface.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you would have to be doing your own research,

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<v Speaker 2>which I was not, and I don't think a load people.

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<v Speaker 1>Were, and it was harder to do it internet researching

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<v Speaker 1>like then, right, you had to really be passionate about

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<v Speaker 1>this topic.

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<v Speaker 2>The Fresh Prince episode is a far cry from the

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<v Speaker 2>Blackish episode Please Baby Please, which was scheduled to air

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<v Speaker 2>February twenty seventh, twenty eighteen, but was shelld by ABC

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<v Speaker 2>until August twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty twenty was such an interesting year, to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say the very least, so Trump himself didn't make a

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<v Speaker 2>cameo in the Blackish episode, but Dre, the dad of

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<v Speaker 2>the family, references him and b roll footage of Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump plays as he's trying to explain Trump's election to

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<v Speaker 2>his youngest son, Davante.

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<v Speaker 1>He calls Trump the shady King, and he blames him

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<v Speaker 1>for dividing people and sees Trump's presidency as a backlash

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<v Speaker 1>against the election of Barack Obama as the first black president.

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<v Speaker 2>This particular episode was written after the Charlottesville rally, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the one with tiki torches, which was shocking for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people. This episode also touched on Colin Kaepernick's

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<v Speaker 2>kneeling during the national anthem, which Trump used as a

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<v Speaker 2>way to rile up his base.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you love to see one of these NFL owners

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<v Speaker 3>when somebody disrespects our flag to say, get that son

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<v Speaker 3>of a bitch off the field right now out He's fired.

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<v Speaker 2>Members of the Johnson family talked about climate change, which

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<v Speaker 2>Trump denied, Trump's borderwall, and differences between white supremacy and

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<v Speaker 2>black pride. So going from seeing the Fresh Prince how

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<v Speaker 2>they reacted to him being on set to this black

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<v Speaker 2>episode which is all about him really but not having

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<v Speaker 2>him on set but you know Sean Bee roll of

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<v Speaker 2>him and all that stuff. What do you see the

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<v Speaker 2>changes like reflective of those two episodes from these different

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<v Speaker 2>eras from mid nineties to twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Well one, Trump's not on the show, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>is a statement in itself, like you didn't choose to

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<v Speaker 1>bring this person in. So that's a big difference between

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<v Speaker 1>the two of them, because you're willing to pay somebody

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<v Speaker 1>money to give them a cameo spot in your show,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of what the reaction to them once they get

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<v Speaker 1>on the show is. So he didn't get paid for this,

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't choose to give him more time. But I

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<v Speaker 1>also think it was a teaching moment in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the Blackish episode. It was like a moment of glory

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<v Speaker 1>for Trump in the Fresh Prince episode. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that there is also an element of a shift in

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<v Speaker 1>the way that sitcom storytelling happened because there were so

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<v Speaker 1>many of these tropes like cameos, and Blackish still does

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<v Speaker 1>cameos as well. But I think that their choice to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the story about Trump in this way that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of pulled back from him, and it's more at a distance,

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<v Speaker 1>is more of this contemporary time of storytelling in sitcoms.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was telling too. It's like in The

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<v Speaker 2>Fresh Print's episode, he's a wealthy guy who can change

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<v Speaker 2>his family's life even though the banks got money, like

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<v Speaker 2>they did not need to move, but he has the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to give them a lot of money and change

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<v Speaker 2>their lives as one family's lives. But in the telling

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<v Speaker 2>in Blackish, it's like he's changing the whole country, Like

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<v Speaker 2>the whole family is like distirred by him for different reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>like the younger kids are worried about climate change, the

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<v Speaker 2>grandparents are looking at how like the white supremacists aren't

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<v Speaker 2>afraid to show their faces in public anymore, as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to like the KKK who cover their faces. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like his influence between ninety five and twenty twenty is

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<v Speaker 2>vastly different, right, Like it's more of an interpersonal exchange

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<v Speaker 2>in The Fresh Prince versus like a societal change. In Blackish,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump was not influencing our lives as toddlers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's reflective of the skill of his impact, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>has changed over time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So like ninety five, nothing Trump did was impacting us.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty different story. I think that was really indicative

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<v Speaker 2>just of like how things have changed from then to now.

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<v Speaker 1>Also indicative of the consensus of thought and how much

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<v Speaker 1>like our ability to share thoughts in an easier way

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<v Speaker 1>than it was back in nineteen ninety five. That was

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<v Speaker 1>their fresh friends, Yeah, because you know, it's so easy

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<v Speaker 1>for us to exchange our ideas about how we feel

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<v Speaker 1>about what's happening in the political world now, and the

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<v Speaker 1>art that we create, especially the television that becomes these

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<v Speaker 1>shared moments between society, is going to often be reflective

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<v Speaker 1>of what the consensus and thought is, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>that depends upon who the writers are, what their political

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<v Speaker 1>or social leanings may be. You know, they're the writers

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<v Speaker 1>and the creators. Biases are going to show up in

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<v Speaker 1>the storytelling as well, so it's going to be attuned

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<v Speaker 1>to that and also attuned to like what your audience

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<v Speaker 1>is probably going to want to hear. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is also going to affirm and be in alignment

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<v Speaker 1>with what a lot of the audience for Blackish are

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<v Speaker 1>interested in, which is interesting because like the audiences are

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<v Speaker 1>so for people, like the kinds of people who would

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<v Speaker 1>have watched Fresh Prince versus Blackish. But it's like we

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<v Speaker 1>get to see our evolution and thought and that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a negative. It's just like as we learn things, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we change how we speak about them.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to push back on that because I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like the Blackish episode was the four White People, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think a lot of Blackish is for white

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<v Speaker 2>people because it's like explaining like how black people feel

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<v Speaker 2>about certain things in like a way that's very like

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<v Speaker 2>just like now, how you talk to other black people.

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<v Speaker 2>Like for example, Dre talking to his infant son, was

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<v Speaker 2>saying like something to the effect of Trump wants like

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<v Speaker 2>black people to go back to being and then he

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<v Speaker 2>showed enslaved people, but he said, let's just call him

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<v Speaker 2>really cheap gardeners, Like he wouldn't even say like slave

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<v Speaker 2>or slavery, which I thought was just like very strange,

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<v Speaker 2>like no black person is going to censor themselves in

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<v Speaker 2>that way if they're speaking to other black people. Or

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<v Speaker 2>even when he was talking to when Drey was talking

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<v Speaker 2>to his dad, the grandpa in this show, Lawrence Fishburne,

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<v Speaker 2>he was giving like a history on like Black Pride

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<v Speaker 2>and you know the song Saint Loud, I'm Black and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm proud, like giving like a history on that, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like black people do not need this in that

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<v Speaker 2>like such like elementary one on one type of way.

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<v Speaker 2>So it definitely felt like the Blackish episode was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>white people, like, we know, like you're experiencing economic anxiety,

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<v Speaker 2>but treat us like people.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, That's what it was given to me. Well, one,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he might be giving sitcoms storytelling a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit too much credit because so many of those types

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<v Speaker 1>of sitcoms are meant to be didactic, so they have

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<v Speaker 1>moral they have morality and lessons wrapped up into them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually don't think we disagree because I still

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<v Speaker 1>think those two audiences are the same because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think Fresh Prince was written for black people either. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was written for general audiences, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>you have scenes with Trump able to come in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place. Fresh Prince wasn't It was about a rich

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<v Speaker 1>family and it has those elements wrapped up into it

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<v Speaker 1>of the black struggle nearves. But like you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the same things. I think that we criticize, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not all the time criticized, but question about Blackish, where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, how can they be representative of all black people?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so many black people were in the situation

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<v Speaker 1>that the people were fresh Prince were, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not one show is not going to represent like the

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<v Speaker 1>totality of like all black experiences. So I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think we were like on the same page.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And now that I think about it, the Blackish

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<v Speaker 2>those they rich too. I feel like in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>like being rich was like because that like mansion they show,

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<v Speaker 2>like okay, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they rich money, they got money.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's like there's morals and I think in

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<v Speaker 2>the blackst episode it was like the hashtag message that

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of just like okay, girl, we get it

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<v Speaker 2>for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't the Blackish family in California? I believe? So Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Also just like the fact that ABC waited over two

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<v Speaker 2>years to release this episode because they thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know the for real, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's a reason behind that. You know. In the in

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<v Speaker 2>the creator of Blackish, Kenya Bears, he was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not happy about that. He wanted to get this out

0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.399
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to have this message heard, and ABC was like,

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<v Speaker 2>not chill until like the racial reckoning of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>and then like, okay, it can be out now because

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<v Speaker 2>like people are walker now, I guess, even though I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think the Blackish episode was too spicy, but so.

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<v Speaker 1>If one episode was, I'll be like, yeah, y'all doing

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<v Speaker 1>that like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it wasn't anything to me, but maybe I am

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<v Speaker 2>more radical, but if you have a good take on it.

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<v Speaker 2>But so like in the Fresh Prince, there wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>be that conversation like oh, we can't have Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>on this, we have to wait to release it, because

0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.920
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't anything for that, but ABC was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, let's wait two years, let it cool off. So

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<v Speaker 1>definitely different control of information. Yeah, and also shows like

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<v Speaker 1>how much the network has a hand and what can

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<v Speaker 1>be disseminated and when, but you know it can came

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<v Speaker 1>out so and like these things are always relevant. So yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, yeah, because he was still doing the crazy

0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.280
<v Speaker 1>stuff when it came out. Yeah, and still lives to

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<v Speaker 1>this day, to this day. And on that note, we

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<v Speaker 1>got to go to a break. But on the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be talking about how these allusions to Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>show up in music.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the forum where I've witnessed Trump get the

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<v Speaker 2>most shout outs is hip hop, and the difference between

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<v Speaker 2>songs that came out before Trump was president and the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that came out after he was elected is stark.

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<v Speaker 1>I know one song we were digging to in middle

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<v Speaker 1>school by Atlanta's on Young Jock is going Down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know, I was at the school dance get

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<v Speaker 2>in it, And it's such a good example of the

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<v Speaker 2>types of ways black folks referenced Trump when he was

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<v Speaker 2>just a really rich guy. He was like aspirational and

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<v Speaker 2>was shorthand for six sucessful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to call yourself the black Donald Trump, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>really think highly of.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, And he wasn't the only Atlanta rapper to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>In his twenty eleven song Trump Gez, heils his own

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<v Speaker 2>success and labels himself the Trump of the hood. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>richest nigga in my hood, call me Donald Trump the

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<v Speaker 2>type of nigga to count my money while I smoke

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<v Speaker 2>a blunt period, and Trump responded in a tweet, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>now another rapper doing a Trump song Young Gez Trump lyrics?

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<v Speaker 1>Why aren't these guys paying me.

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<v Speaker 2>Great impression, Katie, thank you. Songs of this era were

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<v Speaker 2>definitely giving. I'm successful now so successful. In fact, let

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<v Speaker 2>me name drop someone I see as the peak of success.

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<v Speaker 1>Started from the bottom. Now I'm Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally in Lil Wayne's Ice Cream, he says I was

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<v Speaker 2>in the trenches, now I'm in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump, referencing Trump Tower in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Which Trump infamously proclaimed was the tallest building in New

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<v Speaker 2>York after the Twin Towers went down during nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's neither here nor there. Other pre election songs

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned Trump Tower as a marker of success. You've got

0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Jay Z's success in which he both's apartment at the

0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:08.639
<v Speaker 2>Trump I've only slept in once.

0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Nicki Minaj said total meet me at the Trump. Evanka

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<v Speaker 1>in the Flawless.

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<v Speaker 2>Remix sounds like these rappers are a revolving door at

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<v Speaker 2>Trump Tower. What do you think it is about a

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<v Speaker 2>huge building with the Trump name emblazon on it that

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<v Speaker 2>is great fodder for these rappers?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just think one it just functions as a

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<v Speaker 1>really good symbol, Like you have this thing that represents

0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Trump that isn't Trump himself, that you have access to.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's an easy way into Trump's wealth and glamour.

0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.040
<v Speaker 1>And it has his name emblazoned on it, so the stature,

0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.359
<v Speaker 1>the image, it just becomes like the perfect symbol for it.

0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.679
<v Speaker 1>And of course, like we use symbols and storytelling all

0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.240
<v Speaker 1>the time, so I think it's convenient in that way. Two,

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<v Speaker 1>not to get too signifiant, but it's also a phallic symbol,

0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.679
<v Speaker 1>I must say, as a building, it is a symbol

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<v Speaker 1>of this like patriarchal situation. It's imposing, it's a large

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So I think that like that goes along

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<v Speaker 1>with it if you want to go a little deeper

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<v Speaker 1>into signifying. But I also think as an outgrowth of

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<v Speaker 1>who Trump himself is, a lot of these rappers had

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<v Speaker 1>this money over everything perspective, and so it was really

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<v Speaker 1>easy to slough off all of the other things that

0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.359
<v Speaker 1>came with that. And I think that's not just a

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<v Speaker 1>Trump thing, Like we saw rappers in so many other

0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.520
<v Speaker 1>instances shout out to our look up to people who

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<v Speaker 1>have trash morals, like people who are like drug kingpins,

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<v Speaker 1>who are like mob bosses and things like that, who

0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:39.840
<v Speaker 1>commit all these other crimes. So when you turn this

0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.920
<v Speaker 1>person into a caricature, who's just a display of wealth

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<v Speaker 1>instead of somebody who has a whole entire life who

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<v Speaker 1>has done other things in it that are very complicated

0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.560
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reasons they are. It's like, let's just turn

0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.440
<v Speaker 1>a blind eye to that and then go and look

0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.480
<v Speaker 1>at this person as a wat of cash. Yeah, instead,

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that came into play when it came

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<v Speaker 1>to Trump Towers, like it was easy to look at

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<v Speaker 1>Trump as just another person who could be the person

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<v Speaker 1>who was symbolizing their money over everything attitude and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he had a building to contain in house.

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<v Speaker 1>That attitude was just like perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's related to mainstream hip hop's like

0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:26.280
<v Speaker 2>bravado and obsession with being a winner. In capitalism, everyone

0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.000
<v Speaker 2>wants to be a boss. For most rappers, they know

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<v Speaker 2>what it's like to be exploited, and they relish being

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of capitalism's equation, like let me.

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<v Speaker 1>Be in the club. I want to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>capitalist club too.

0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Girl Nelly said it best in Country Grammar, Bill Gates,

0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, let me and looking up all these lyrics,

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.360
<v Speaker 2>there's just like Trump Trump, Trump, Trump Trump, Like he's

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<v Speaker 2>getting so much free marketing advertisement and that's been my

0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:53.200
<v Speaker 2>beef with a lot of rappers is like shouting out

0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:57.520
<v Speaker 2>like tom Ford and Hill Figure and like all these

0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.680
<v Speaker 2>like brands. I'm like, are they paying you to do this?

0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.639
<v Speaker 2>Hip hop is so influential and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>go too far and being like rappers are the reason

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.480
<v Speaker 2>why Trump has been president, but they did give him

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of like touchdowns for people sad you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying, Like, oh, yeah, like why he

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<v Speaker 2>said he was in.

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<v Speaker 1>The church and now you know Trump? Who's this Trump guy?

0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.440
<v Speaker 1>The thing is too Trump doesn't have receipts, and y'all

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 1>talking about him and all this money stuff like, oh

0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.800
<v Speaker 1>he has receipts and they're terrible. Does That's what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>Like for you to be able to say, yeah, they're bankrupts,

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<v Speaker 1>like all of like this's not working out for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you saying you're gonna have issues with your

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<v Speaker 1>financial situation? The interesting thing about Trump though, because rappers

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<v Speaker 1>do have this history of like putting so much attention

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<v Speaker 1>into adding things into their work that they're probably not

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<v Speaker 1>getting paid for. I'm not in their pockets, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't fully know, but I know a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>time when they're calling out things like alcohol, brands are

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<v Speaker 1>really doomssed for being in them that they're not getting

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<v Speaker 1>money from a lot of that, or bags or shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>But Trump doesn't have a product, so at least these

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<v Speaker 1>other things that they're shouting out. It's like you.

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<v Speaker 2>Could presumably be using these things and really like them.

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<v Speaker 1>You could presumably be using them, you could presumably get

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<v Speaker 1>brand deals. It's just like there's an actual physical object

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<v Speaker 1>that goes along with it and something that may get

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<v Speaker 1>you some returns in some way or another. Because if

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<v Speaker 1>you shout out alcohol a lot, maybe alcohol becomes part

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<v Speaker 1>of your brand. And so many people, so many celebrities, musicians,

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<v Speaker 1>different kinds of artists have alcohol deals. Now, that is

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<v Speaker 1>showing what's brands say for you is easily alcohol. You

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<v Speaker 1>know you're not a children's brand. We know you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about alcohol, so it's easy for you to get a

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<v Speaker 1>brand deal in the future. Versus Trump, you ain't getting nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're getting just like.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the payback for that being in the same conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with him, I guess, But really I feel like he's

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<v Speaker 2>getting more than the rappers are.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely, I agree with you, because like girl. All

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<v Speaker 1>this arrogance he has, it's like, y'all, it's feeding y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>confirming it.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say Trump is easy to rhyme.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, bump hump, bump rump crump. Are we sixty?

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, So that is one beef. I have ways rappers,

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<v Speaker 2>not just with Trump with the products, but like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>like you could get a brand deal, you could just

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<v Speaker 2>really love Michael Core's.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So pre election songs have similar themes

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<v Speaker 1>of equating Trump to success and rappers frequenting Trump Tower

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what rich and powerful people do. What are

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<v Speaker 1>the post election songs sounding like?

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<v Speaker 2>Good question, and I'll give you an answer after the break.

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<v Speaker 2>So Trump has had some messed up politics.

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<v Speaker 1>For a while. Who could forget that? Trump placed full

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<v Speaker 1>page advertisements in four New York City newspapers, including The

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times, calling for the death penalty for the

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<v Speaker 1>Central Park five yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the nineteen seventies, the US Department of Justice

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<v Speaker 2>sued Donald Trump, his father, and Trump management, alleging the

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<v Speaker 2>Trumps engaged in racial discriminate against black folks in their

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<v Speaker 2>Brooklyn apartments. But although he's been well known for decades,

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<v Speaker 2>most people weren't really tuned into him like they were

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<v Speaker 2>after he announced his intentions for running for president and

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<v Speaker 2>really leaned into his pro white supremacy bag.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was never good in the hood. Again, basically

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<v Speaker 1>we saw them true colors.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Z, who as you recall, once bribed about having

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<v Speaker 2>a vacant apartment in Trump Towers, later wrapped I got

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<v Speaker 2>your president, tweeting I don't even meet with him.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot about Trump's tweets.

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<v Speaker 2>The tweet in question, somebody please inform jay Z that

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<v Speaker 2>because of my policies, black employment has just been reported

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<v Speaker 2>to be at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Lowest rate ever recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>That was in response to jay Z telling Van Jones

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<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't okay for Trump to say terrible things

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<v Speaker 2>about black people despite black employment rates being low. Jay

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<v Speaker 2>Z said, quote, it's not about money. At the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day. Money doesn't equate to happiness.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't. That's missing the whole point, which is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>antithetical to a lot of his message.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, jay Z contains multitudes.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess yeah, he's definitely entitled to change his views

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<v Speaker 1>on Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>I think YG's FDT or F. Donald Trump is the

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<v Speaker 2>epitome of how hip hop doesn't really mess with Trump

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<v Speaker 2>like that anymore. Me and all my people's we always

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<v Speaker 2>thought he was straight influential MF when it came to

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<v Speaker 2>the business. But now since we know how you really feel,

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<v Speaker 2>this how we feel fuck Donald Trump. Yg raps accusing

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<v Speaker 2>Trump of being racist.

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<v Speaker 1>Quite the evolution from simply saying his name being a flex.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I imagine a lot of these rappers cringe at

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<v Speaker 2>some of their old lyrics. They weren't looking at him

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<v Speaker 2>as a political figure, just a rich person they aspired

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<v Speaker 2>to be Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we all moved through time and got to

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<v Speaker 1>grow up at some point, so I feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>just indicative of how we learned more over this time period,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think being pro Trump now is like as

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<v Speaker 2>a black person is like considered edgy, as like being

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<v Speaker 2>uhtimately anti Trump back then was considered like, oh, he's

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<v Speaker 2>on a different wave. But yeah, I don't think Trump

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<v Speaker 2>can go back to being all the way good. No,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll have just sound drastic.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what would that be.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me an example, I think if he gave reparations,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd be good because niggas was happy about that little

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<v Speaker 2>stimmy out of.

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<v Speaker 1>His own pocket or just you know, setting up a

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<v Speaker 1>situation for it just government. Now the bar is a

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<v Speaker 1>love child, not the stimmy. I just caught that.

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<v Speaker 2>Niggas is happy they were, And I mean, of course

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<v Speaker 2>some rappers still like him, like Kanye, like Kanye, but

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<v Speaker 2>the overall hip hop sentiment these days are similar to

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<v Speaker 2>that of Joey Badass.

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<v Speaker 1>You got the gut squeeze Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's time for roll credits. This segment where we

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<v Speaker 2>give credit to a person, place, or thing that we

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<v Speaker 2>encountered during the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Katie, who, what, where or when would you like to

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<v Speaker 1>give credit to today?

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to give credit to changing your mind

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<v Speaker 2>when you get new information. I think sometimes people get

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<v Speaker 2>like really stuck in, like oh I said this publicly

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<v Speaker 2>and so I can't like shift in my attitude. But

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<v Speaker 2>once you have more information, your mind can change. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a positive thing. And I think people

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<v Speaker 2>should not try to be like, oh, gotcha, you changed

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<v Speaker 2>your mind, because like it's natural to like grow up,

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<v Speaker 2>like we see in this episode with the rappers and Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like natural to like to change your mind once

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<v Speaker 2>you get more information.

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<v Speaker 1>So would like to give credit to that. I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to give credit to this week artists who support

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<v Speaker 1>other artists. It can be really hard, you know, sharing

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<v Speaker 1>your work, making a living off of it if that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you choose to do. And it's really nice to

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<v Speaker 1>have encouragement and support in different ways, even if it's

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<v Speaker 1>not monetary support, if it's you know, just encouragement and

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<v Speaker 1>like saying you got this, you know, sending a text

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<v Speaker 1>message here and there, you know, try to see how

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<v Speaker 1>you can help a person with their work, are and

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<v Speaker 1>involving in their work. Really grateful for those kind of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like really nice to see other people do

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<v Speaker 1>it too, Like when you go out to spaces and

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<v Speaker 1>you see people clapping and cheering for people when they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing things where they're clearly like pushing themselves to put

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<v Speaker 1>their art out in the world, and you see that like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if I do this, there will be other people out

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<v Speaker 1>there who will root for me as well. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I want to give credit to today.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that and with that, we will see you

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<v Speaker 2>next week.

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