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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Samantha and this is Annie. Welcome to Steff.

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Speaker 1: Mom never told you a production of I Heart Radios

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Speaker 1: How stuff works? And today we've got an amazing episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Just a bit of a trigger warning,

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Speaker 1: not really big detail, but we do talk about the

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Speaker 1: Me Too movement, specifically talking about comedians in the me

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Speaker 1: too time frame, Harvey Weinstein, So just to throw that

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Speaker 1: out there. Again. We don't get into anything deep, but

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Speaker 1: we just still like to give you a warning. And

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Speaker 1: today we had the most amazing Chanel Ali come in

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Speaker 1: and speak with us about comedy, women in comedy, black

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Speaker 1: women in comedy, and fighting against injustice with humor. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and she was an absolute delight. I'm really bummed that

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Speaker 1: I missed the show that you went to talk. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So she was a part of the feminist buzz Kills

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Speaker 1: of Comedy, which used to be Lady Parts Justice and

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Speaker 1: it is now called Abortion Access Front and they tore

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Speaker 1: around the country working with different abortion clinics throughout the

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Speaker 1: country getting their name. Now talk about fundraising, talk about

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Speaker 1: reproductive justice, and it's beautiful and hilarious. This is the

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Speaker 1: second one that I've attended. The first one was at

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Speaker 1: a different location. Caroline of Unladylike is the one that

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Speaker 1: invited me and I love them so much. They're so hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Liz Winstead, who was an icon and herself, she was

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Speaker 1: a co creator of the Daily Show. She's the one

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Speaker 1: that began this organization and make sure to go around

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Speaker 1: and brings into conversation these big issues and I love it.

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Speaker 1: And I met Chanelle at the show from this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I guess that probably was a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 1: when we aired this cor actual episode. Yes, yes, and

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Speaker 1: was I kind of was like, hey, can we be friends?

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Speaker 1: And it worked. Look at that Samantha, I make friends.

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Speaker 1: But she had an amazing show. She had an amazing set.

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Speaker 1: So if you are around anywhere, because she tours a

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Speaker 1: lot essentially, I know she is based out of New York,

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Speaker 1: but if you get a chance, go check her side

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Speaker 1: out Chanelle Ali and we'll give you some more information

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Speaker 1: and check out her touring because she does some amazing things.

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Speaker 1: She absolutely does. I'm so bummed I missed the show.

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Speaker 1: Samantha has two excellent shirts she got from it. But

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Speaker 1: I'm very glad that she came to the studio. That

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Speaker 1: was at a light she is, and so we go

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Speaker 1: ahead and start with the interview. So today we are

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Speaker 1: meeting with someone who I may have stealthily I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say it stealthily, but it really wasn't hunted down during

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Speaker 1: an abortion Access front comedy event. Probably frightened her quite

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Speaker 1: a bit. Alie Hie, thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 1: having me. Thanks for coming on. I did so. I

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Speaker 1: was telling Annie, I'm like, I'm pretty sure you thinks

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Speaker 1: But that happens at comedy shows a lot of times.

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Speaker 1: Like I'll get off stage and someone's very excited to

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Speaker 1: I'm Shinnali. I'm a stand up comedian and a writer.

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Speaker 1: I live in New York City. I'm originally from Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to anybody they went to Tumble University and

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Speaker 1: it's still trying to pay it off. I've been doing

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Speaker 1: comedy for about seven years. You might know me from

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Speaker 1: MTVS Girl Code. I was in the last season of

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Speaker 1: And then you said you have an album coming out. Yes,

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Speaker 1: communication and taking out the anger, because it's so easy

431
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Speaker 1: to like scream at a man, you're stupid, you're not listening,

432
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Speaker 1: you don't trust women, blah blah blah blah blah. But

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Speaker 1: you know you can't just scream feminism at men. And

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Speaker 1: I think I have learned that from firsthand just watching

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Speaker 1: people try getting on stage and being like, so I'm

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Speaker 1: a feminist, and the whole crowd is like, great, this

437
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Speaker 1: is gonna be light. You're not gonna have any heavy

438
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Speaker 1: opinions that make me feel bad about what I'm doing

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Speaker 1: every day with my life. So I watched a lot

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Speaker 1: of mistakes and I was able to kind of learn like, okay,

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Speaker 1: so you can't. You can't really break down a barrier

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Speaker 1: that way. So um, I think just like really being

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Speaker 1: confident and and taking out the anger as much as

444
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Speaker 1: I can has helped me convert a lot of men

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Speaker 1: into at least thinking for themselves, and women have been

446
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Speaker 1: calling out a lot of the inequalities and comedy, like

447
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Speaker 1: a comedy show flyer will come out and it'll be

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Speaker 1: eight white guys in the same flannel. Two to three

449
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Speaker 1: of them have beard, some glasses, and that's fine, but

450
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: the perspectives that they're gonna bring are gonna be very similar.

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Speaker 1: And then the comedy becomes this one industry where you

452
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Speaker 1: only give an opportunity to somebody that makes you feel comfortable,

453
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Speaker 1: and you always give an opportunity to someone that's like you.

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Speaker 1: I feel the same way when I go on the

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Speaker 1: road and I picked someone open for me, I'm more

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Speaker 1: often I'm going to give it to a black woman

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Speaker 1: than anyone else because I wanted to succeed and I

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Speaker 1: feel like I'm giving back to my community. So I

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Speaker 1: feel like other people do that, but they don't recognize

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Speaker 1: that they do if they don't recognize that comedy is

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Speaker 1: run by white men and they own most of the clubs,

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Speaker 1: and so when they consistently make that decision, it does

463
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Speaker 1: become a system. And so when you can break it

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Speaker 1: down into terms like that and and really talk about

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Speaker 1: the human qualities Um, it helps you really just get

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Speaker 1: over the barrier of I'm not just spouting because I'm

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Speaker 1: a black woman and I'm angry, because even though I am,

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Speaker 1: I'm really trying to educate you and enlighten you so

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Speaker 1: you can see that this is a world that I

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Speaker 1: exist in and you exist in differently. So because one

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Speaker 1: of the things that we've been talking about a lot

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Speaker 1: in the last year was about anchor and how it

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Speaker 1: can be used to fight, because a lot of times

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Speaker 1: we know that anger is a sign that something is wrong,

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Speaker 1: and so there needs to be whether you take action

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Speaker 1: or you just sit and stew in it. Um, And

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00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: we've been talking about what does that look like when

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Speaker 1: we actually take action. So as you're talking about in

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Speaker 1: this industry, which has been exposed somewhat but obviously kind

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Speaker 1: of fallen back because you look at the Louis c

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Speaker 1: k thing, and he's fairly forgiven and now kind of

482
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Speaker 1: still dictates what it is to have stand up and

483
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Speaker 1: being paid to do comedy, as well as dictating, oh,

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Speaker 1: you can't have your phone in here because I want

485
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Speaker 1: to say the inappropriate things that's going to get me

486
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Speaker 1: in trouble. I don't want to read an article about

487
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: it so right and all of these things. When we

488
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Speaker 1: have that, and then just even the Harvey Weinstein when

489
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Speaker 1: he came to the club with all the young actresses

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Speaker 1: and the comedian came out and called him out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that everybody was pissed. I'd like to shout them out.

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Speaker 1: That was Kelly Bachman Ambarrallo. Ambarrallo and I have a

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Speaker 1: podcast together. Um, she's dope. They're they're both really dope,

494
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: and they're so courageous in that moment. But yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: really so empowering to watch women stand up for our spaces.

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Speaker 1: And that's something about like the space is thing that

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Speaker 1: I sometimes feel like I have to always bridge the

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Speaker 1: gap with men and explain. And I'm like, if we

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Speaker 1: have evidence that a person is inappropriate in a certain space,

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Speaker 1: every woman in that space is now uncomfortable. So when

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Speaker 1: Louisy k walks into a comedy club and they throw

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Speaker 1: him on a lineup, if a woman is on that

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Speaker 1: lineup and she's uncomfortable in that space, now she has

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Speaker 1: to leave because the club is not going to say okay, sorry,

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Speaker 1: So so now his his privilege is that he continues

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Speaker 1: to dictate what a spaces and what he can do

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Speaker 1: in it, and women just have to deal, especially comedians,

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Speaker 1: and when we work in an industry that is is

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Speaker 1: literal minutes. Somebody gives me a mic for ten minutes

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Speaker 1: and you can work on your craft, and then you

511
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Speaker 1: have to go home. You can't come back and I'll

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Speaker 1: give you more minutes. You have to go home and

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Speaker 1: wait for another day. It it sets women back in

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Speaker 1: a huge way. I always compare comedy to basketball and

515
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Speaker 1: that if someone was like, I want to be Lebron tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: they'd have to practice every single day as much as

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Speaker 1: they could. But if they're only going to give you

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Speaker 1: a basketball for ten minutes, it's gonna take you a

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Speaker 1: lot longer. And men get the basketball a lot, so

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00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: they get that basketball so much exactly. And that's the

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Speaker 1: question is how do you hate that anger or take

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00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: that understanding that you have just been denied? Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I handle it the same way

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Speaker 1: as everyone else. But I always try to really look

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Speaker 1: at the pros and the cons and try to decide

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Speaker 1: what I want to be a part of, what I

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Speaker 1: want to put my name on. And I always think

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Speaker 1: about the younger me and if she were to watch

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Speaker 1: a comedy show and see a display that's not very

530
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Speaker 1: favoring of women, and then watch me also on the

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Speaker 1: lineup not address it. What type of implications would I

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Speaker 1: push out on her? I would be indirectly teaching her

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Speaker 1: that this is okay and that you should just take

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Speaker 1: it and just smile. And I think that's terrible. I

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Speaker 1: hate that so much, so to me, I really try

536
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Speaker 1: to evaluate projects very thoroughly. I really stand up for

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Speaker 1: myself in corporate rooms and talk about what I'm not

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Speaker 1: comfortable with. I even remember one time I auditioned for

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Speaker 1: a film and I really wanted to be in it,

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Speaker 1: but there was a line in the character they wanted

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Speaker 1: me to play where I basically had to say, like

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Speaker 1: who would want to be black? Because it's terrible. So

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Speaker 1: I tried to make it funny, like let's make it lighthearted,

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Speaker 1: and the director was like, no, you're sad and you're

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Speaker 1: mad that you're black, and I was like, I don't

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Speaker 1: think I can do this, you know, And so I

547
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: had to acknowledge, like I'm not going to get this

548
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: part because I'm not capable of even saying that sentence

549
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: and sounding like I'm not forcing it out of my mouth.

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Speaker 1: I'm not capable of even portraying that sentiment, and if

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Speaker 1: my younger self watched myself say that, it would impact me,

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Speaker 1: you know so, I always think about the younger generation.

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Speaker 1: I think about how many incredibly talented and funny women

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00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: I think there are around the world who never feel

555
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: compelled to try it because there's all these voices telling them, no,

556
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: you're not funny, this is for this, and this is that.

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00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: So you know too, I always think that there's like

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Speaker 1: an orthodontist in Missouri who could have been a comedy great,

559
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: but everybody in her life told her no. I told her, yeah,

560
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: you're silly, you know so I always think about like

561
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: really elevating our voices and calling things out. And I

562
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 1: picked my battles. I definitely picked my battles. But I

563
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: also have a lot of integrity. And so there have

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00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: been entire clubs, entire venues that I've decided I'm not

565
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: gonna work with you guys anymore because you continually perpetuate

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Speaker 1: something that's unhealthy and I don't want to. I don't

567
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to add to it because

568
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: I know what I bring to the table, you know,

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Speaker 1: So you have to have a lot of pride. You

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00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: have to really hold yourself to a high standard but

571
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: also protect your rise because I need to be on

572
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: a high platform to to make any change. So myself

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Speaker 1: as your new best friend, yes, as a supporter who

574
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: is not a comedian, what can I do to help

575
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: elevate that cause as well? Obviously I don't have that

576
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: giant voice. I don't have the comedic timing. It's okay,

577
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: but I want to support this and I want to

578
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: make sure that the women and those who identify who

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00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: their non binary, who are being silenced because these platforms

580
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: don't want to be uncomfortable or and or don't want

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00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: to root for the underdogs. And essentially, yeah, we are underdogs.

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00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: Um what can I do? I mean, obviously I exist

583
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: in an artist realm, so it really comes down to

584
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: supporting the artists. And and that can really come down

585
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: to even just like doing your due diligence and looking

586
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: up on lineup and asking questions, why is there no

587
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: woman on the show? You have eight comedians here, you

588
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: couldn't find one lady? You know? Um? Also I think

589
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: that like we when we think about our favorite television shows,

590
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: a lot of those shows are staffed by room of

591
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: comedians that get together in a room like this and

592
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: they sit down and they write an episode. So look

593
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: up your favorite shows, look up those writers if they

594
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: are trans women, if they are non binary, follow them

595
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: on Twitter, follow them on Instagram, support their other projects,

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00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: and recognize the parts that they play, like some of

597
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: them will direct an entire episode. You know. Mindy calling

598
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: started out that way a lot, so that individual support

599
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: means so much more. I think it also really comes

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00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: down to, like standing firm on things you're not going

601
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: to support, Like I'm not going to spend a lot

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00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: of money on a ticket to see Louisy K. I'm

603
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: not going to do it, and you should if you

604
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: are really considering that, you should actually put that money elsewhere,

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00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: donated to the amazing organizations that help comedians every day.

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Speaker 1: And there are even a lot of like mentorship programs

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00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: that help young women find their voice. So it really

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00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: comes down to deciding what type of artists you want

609
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: to support and recognizing that their message requires your help

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00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: because it's important. Right, we have a little bit more

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Speaker 1: for you listeners, but first we have one more quick

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Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsor m and we're back

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Speaker 1: thank you, sponsor. Yeah, so a lot of these questions

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Speaker 1: I've already I've been thinking about a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest questions for me as a woman

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Speaker 1: of color, but as a woman of color with privilege.

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Speaker 1: And I acknowledge that I'm assis woman, I get all

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Speaker 1: of that. I have a good job, I've had good support,

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Speaker 1: and I acknowledge all that's how do I support those

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Speaker 1: who may not have that same advantage as well as

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Speaker 1: if my heart is an advocacy, which it always has been,

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Speaker 1: which is why I am a social worker. And you

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Speaker 1: and I were talking about, you know, kind of pouring

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Speaker 1: back out because it's something significant for us. What doesn't

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Speaker 1: look like to be a true all I m there's

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of levels to that. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: but I think really, especially myself, I've learned the last

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00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: year that we should be volunteering more. And it sounds

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Speaker 1: especially I'm a comedian, I drink a lot, I work

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Speaker 1: at night, I don't sleep. If someone was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple of times a month you need

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00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: to go volunteer somewhere, I'd be like, yeah, I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but um, I will say that in

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Speaker 1: everything that we do, like my medium is comedy, and

635
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: everything that we do, we have these skills that we

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00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: could lend to organizations that are great and that we

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00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: should donate our time to them. So if that's making

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00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: us some dope stickers for a great cause, um, in

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00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: terms of like causes that are very important to me,

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Speaker 1: I'm very consistently worried about gun violence, and so I'll volunteer.

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00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: I'll donate to every town. I think they're incredible organization.

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00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: I'll advocate for them, I'll write tweets about them and

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00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: praise any thing to do in the media, you know.

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Speaker 1: But I think also it's it's about recognizing how a

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Speaker 1: lot of the things that we frequent our our microcosms

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Speaker 1: for some of these bigger problems. So even in the

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Speaker 1: realm of an office, just recognizing that you know a

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Speaker 1: person of color is alone in certain instances, or that

649
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Speaker 1: you know they're left out in certain instances. Just just

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Speaker 1: being comfortable enough to walk up to someone and say

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Speaker 1: I'm here to help is really being an ally or

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Speaker 1: just hey, I recognize what just happened, Because sometimes that

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Speaker 1: silence is so deafening when you feel like you're being

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Speaker 1: targeted or treated unfairly, and then everyone is averting their eyes.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great way to do it. I

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Speaker 1: also think that, um, we have to vote. We have

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Speaker 1: to vote, and we have to do it in a

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Speaker 1: way that we're not just thinking about ourselves. And that's

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Speaker 1: really hard because that's not really the way that a

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Speaker 1: lot of candidates speak nowadays. Anyway. They can be very

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Speaker 1: brash and very bold and like people are coming for

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Speaker 1: your guns, and people are coming for you, and so

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Speaker 1: you have to vote for you, But that's not really

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Speaker 1: the foundation of the country or really trying to form

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Speaker 1: this more perfect union. If you're really being that patriotic,

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Speaker 1: then you should recognize that there are things that are

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Speaker 1: not directly affecting you, but are affecting other people all

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Speaker 1: the time, and it is your duty, because you have

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Speaker 1: the privilege to not be affected by it, to research

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Speaker 1: it more and to recognize when it happens, and to

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Speaker 1: listen to other people when they tell you about it happening.

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Speaker 1: Um So I just think that's the first step. And

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Speaker 1: I think you have to really break all of these

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Speaker 1: bigger tasks down into a smaller schedule so you can

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Speaker 1: say that, hey, however, many days a month I was

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Speaker 1: able to give to a local clinic. And if it's

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Speaker 1: as simple as just bringing them some donuts, that's support,

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Speaker 1: that's help, and that's that's what's gonna that's what's gonna

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Speaker 1: fuel people to keep doing the work that you may

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Speaker 1: not yourself be able to do. I love it. That's

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Speaker 1: been one of the big messages I think we've been

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Speaker 1: recording in the Last Vote, and I'm how to recognize

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Speaker 1: that your voice matters and and this right matters. And

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Speaker 1: I always think about like the really stupid guy that

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Speaker 1: you knew in high school, like the idiot of idiots,

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Speaker 1: and how he's going to vote every time. He's got

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Speaker 1: nothing else. He's so invested in exercising his right that

688
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: you have to exercise yours to at least combat it.

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Speaker 1: So if you're ever feeling like I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I want to vote, I don't feel like going out today,

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Speaker 1: think about that idiot. I know that his mom is

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Speaker 1: going to take him to vote. She's going to drive

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Speaker 1: him there, and he'll pick he'll pick the radio station,

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Speaker 1: and that's his life. So don't let him. Because he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to look for the services that you might

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Speaker 1: need one day, he doesn't have to worry about the

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Speaker 1: things that impact your life. So you know you gotta vote.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love I'm someone who's very spite motivated.

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Speaker 1: What's the idea of like, oh, that high school kid,

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Speaker 1: think about him? That's why, as you wrote, you're like, yes,

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Speaker 1: name him? Yeah Mason, Yeah, I totally did. It works

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Speaker 1: at a costco. You know, we don't forget these things

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Speaker 1: stay whatever, they stay with us. Um, So thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess we can. Just trying to wrap it up

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Speaker 1: and just want to know what projects you already talked

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Speaker 1: about the Comedy Central show, we talked about the album,

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Speaker 1: what other projects We're talked more about these projects? Oh man.

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Speaker 1: So at the end of the month, I'm recording a

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Speaker 1: series for Audible. It's going to be called Apocalypse Untreated,

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Speaker 1: and it's about these teenagers in this apocalyptic world who

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Speaker 1: were medicated like for their depression, but now because an

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Speaker 1: apocalypse has happened, they don't have medication and so it's

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Speaker 1: like this comedy drama. UM, so that'll be out an Audible.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what within a few months. Um. You

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Speaker 1: can always check my website for dates about where I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be touring because I'm always telling jokes outside of

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Speaker 1: New York City, even though that's where I live. Would

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Speaker 1: go into our about fourteen days a month. Usually you

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Speaker 1: can go to nali dot com for that. That's channel

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Speaker 1: like the perfume Ali like Mohammed you get it, Yea,

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Speaker 1: there it is, UM And can you give advice? Again,

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Speaker 1: I'm not this person who is trying to come into

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Speaker 1: the comedy world. Will you give some sound advice to them? Totally,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to not speak forever on this, but

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Speaker 1: the first advice I want to say is that if

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Speaker 1: you want to pursue comedy and you feel like anybody

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Speaker 1: in your life is trying to persuade you, not to

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Speaker 1: find peace in the idea that you're not trying to

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Speaker 1: hurt anyone and that if your goal is to bring

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Speaker 1: people together through laughter, that is very noble, and so

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Speaker 1: find peace with how it might not seem like you're

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Speaker 1: a surgeon and your life is very important as a comedian,

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Speaker 1: But if it's something that you really feel interested in,

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Speaker 1: then you have to not listen to anyone and you

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Speaker 1: have to just do it for yourself every single day. UM.

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Speaker 1: In terms of like very practical comedy advice. I think

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Speaker 1: minutes on stage trump everything. Like I don't care how

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Speaker 1: much you can sit at home and write funny things

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Speaker 1: in your notebook. You have to be on stage every

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Speaker 1: single day as much as you can, no matter what,

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Speaker 1: because those logging those minutes, that's all that's gonna bring

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Speaker 1: you growth, that's gonna that's gonna help you develop as

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Speaker 1: an artist. I also think it's important to study from

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00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: artists before us. Steve Martin has a great book on

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00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: comedy called Born Standing Up changed my life. I read

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Speaker 1: it after the first time I bombed and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to quit comedy. I was like, what's funny? I don't

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Speaker 1: even know? Read that book really changed my life. Also,

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Speaker 1: that guy Darryl Hammond has a book. He used to

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Speaker 1: be the announcer. I think he's actually the announcer for SNL,

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00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: but he used to be a player on SNL. I

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Speaker 1: think it's called God if You're there, if You're not

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Speaker 1: up there, And I think it's I think if I

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Speaker 1: think it's God if You're not up there. But it's

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Speaker 1: an incredible story. He lives an incredible life and overcame

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Speaker 1: just just really some some hard, hard things. What's it

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00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: called yeah, I got it right, God right, dang. I

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00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: read that book Forever Ago UM, and that book helped

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Speaker 1: me a lot, helped me reconcile with the idea that

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Speaker 1: we don't have to be perfect people to pursue art.

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Speaker 1: We can have suffered trauma and be currently living in

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Speaker 1: it and still be okay enough to do our art.

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Speaker 1: And that's a very peaceful sentiment once you can have it.

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Speaker 1: I also think it's very important to take deep breaths,

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Speaker 1: breathe in through your nails and out in your mouth

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Speaker 1: very often and try to just keep moving forward no

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Speaker 1: matter what. I love it, and I did want to

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Speaker 1: kind of ask because this is again my own self interest.

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Speaker 1: You were talking about the fact that you work with

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Speaker 1: a group. I work with an organization in New York.

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Speaker 1: It's called Stand Up for Girls and UM. So they

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Speaker 1: basically go around to some of the local high schools

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Speaker 1: in New York City and they get basically the more

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Speaker 1: vocal or very not vocal girls to practice stand up comedy,

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Speaker 1: to practice a five minutes set. For a few months,

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Speaker 1: they work on it, and they throw a big show

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Speaker 1: at a comedy club and they invite their parents and

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Speaker 1: the administrator's whole faculty to come out and then they'll

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Speaker 1: have someone like me headline it. And it's so incredible

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Speaker 1: to watch young women find their voice in that way.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have heard these girls say jokes that

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Speaker 1: were better than anything I could ever write, like so poignant.

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Speaker 1: Um a lot of them, especially if they come from

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Speaker 1: families that have like immigrant parents, a lot of cultural background,

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Speaker 1: a lot of cultural history, they will read our country

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Speaker 1: for filth in a way that we could never really

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Speaker 1: communicate as well. UM So Stand Up for Girls is

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Speaker 1: a great organization. If you want to donate, they're doing

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Speaker 1: great work. I have been on the verge of tears

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Speaker 1: at every single comedy show that I have done with them,

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Speaker 1: and it's just beautiful. It's beautiful co It's just a

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Speaker 1: beautiful thing. And if you're not seeing comedy shows in

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Speaker 1: your daily life, do it. You need to go sit

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Speaker 1: with strangers and giggle on the dark. I promise you

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Speaker 1: you do. Yes, I appreciated it. It was a good night.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sad I missed. Yeah, you missed out real hard.

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Speaker 1: I got T shirts. I know to T shirts. Excited

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Speaker 1: about my shirts. Literally, no one asked I love that shirt,

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Speaker 1: love so much anyway, thank you, thank you. One thing,

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Speaker 1: tell our listeners where they can find you. You can

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Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Chanel Underscore Underscore Ali.

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Speaker 1: That's two underscores. So it's Chanel two underscores. Ali. There's

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Speaker 1: a girl who has my actual name, Shanel Ali, and

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to track her down for years. Yeah, the clone.

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Speaker 1: She has pictures up. I know. I actually know a

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Speaker 1: lot about her life because I really tracked down her

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Speaker 1: friends because she hasn't been on Instagram in like four years,

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Speaker 1: and I've come so close to getting her leg on

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Speaker 1: the phone. But so yeah, Chanel, I'll underscore on score Ali.

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Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter, Instagram. I post on Twitter pretty often. Um.

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Speaker 1: You can also follow me on Snapchat at channel Ali Baba.

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Speaker 1: That's c h A N e O A l I

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Speaker 1: b A b awesome. Yay. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: coming in to it. Oh. I love you guys so much,

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Speaker 1: and just keep moving forward, all right, And I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed that as much as we did. It was

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Speaker 1: such an amazing time. Um. I'm hoping to catch up

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Speaker 1: with her again. I'm fount and determined to be friends

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Speaker 1: with everything really all um and she apparently is coming

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Speaker 1: back to Atlanta, so when she does, I will be there.

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Speaker 1: You guys should definitely check out her Comedy Central special

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Speaker 1: coming Out, her Audible coming Out, as well as her

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Speaker 1: album coming Out, because she is amazing and just a

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00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: great individual overall. Yeah, and always remember, as she said,

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Speaker 1: fun to giggle in the dark with someone, but really

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Speaker 1: support people that you want to see succeed. And she

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Speaker 1: was awesome, So go do it. Go do it. And

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, if you would like to email as

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Speaker 1: you can, our email is Stuff Media mom Stuff at

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Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com. You can also find us on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast or on Instagram at Stuff

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Speaker 1: Mom Never Told You. Thanks as always to our super

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Speaker 1: producer Andrew Howard, and thanks to you for listening Stuff

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