1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph. A 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: gorgeous young twenty year old Iowa college student, Molly Tibbitts 3 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: disappears her family, distraught and begging for your help. In 4 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: the last hours, new evidence emerges that seemingly cracks wide 5 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: open the working theory as to where is Molly Tibbots. 6 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: We are taking your calls at nine zero nine to 7 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: Crime nine zero nine four nine two seven four six three. 8 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 9 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: being with us. This is what we know Molly Tibbots. 10 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: At first, we were told was out for a jog 11 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: and she never returned at the get go, that scenario 12 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: didn't seem to fall into place, because later we hear 13 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: that she was up late working on homework for her computer. 14 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: We also learned that the red T shirt she was 15 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: given by her daycare where she's a counselor, to where 16 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: the next day on a field trip, was missing, suggesting 17 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: she had been home the previous night, had gotten ready 18 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: for work the next day, putting on her counselor shirt, 19 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: and then was taken. Because the shirt is missing, so 20 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: many details emerging right now. First and foremost, Lee Egan 21 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Lee. A 22 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: pig farmer, A pig farmer has been questioned by the FBI, 23 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: not once, but twice. You know, it always concerns me 24 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: when they circle back to you. All right, they circle 25 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: back and Lee, tell me if this is true? I 26 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: have heard reports the pig farmer who lives down the 27 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: road from where Molly was last seen is refusing a polygraph. 28 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: Is that truly? Yes, that is true, Nancy. They asked 29 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: him last Thursday to take a test and he openly 30 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: admitted that he refused that he doesn't want to take it. Okay, 31 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Take a listen 32 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: to the so called hog farmer, Wayne Cheney, who lives 33 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: down the street from where Molly was last seen. Here 34 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: he is speaking of w h O thirteen TV. Listen, 35 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: what the what has it been like? Uh? These last 36 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, a few weeks. Uh take me through what 37 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: the community has been going through, what you've been seeing 38 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: the activity. I haven't really seen much syral I don't 39 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: know what's going on. I mean, I have no idea 40 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: what they're doing. It's just a bad deal. What's been 41 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: the I guess the hardest part, says I can't find her? Um, 42 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: how does that that's been impacting you even though you 43 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: don't even know you know the person? Right? No, but 44 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: I don't know her? Yeah? Um? What's that like? Not 45 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: knowing someone being frustrating about their situation? Oh? I don't know. 46 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: It's just a bad deal. Um, you had said, you know, 47 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: I mean we've heard different people, I mean all people 48 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, people out here, um at at hog Farms 49 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: that that own you know, different properties, please come in 50 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: and going through things? What was the situation like for 51 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: you here? And how they kind of approached everything? Oh? 52 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Um, we're wasting our time. I'm done. 53 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: You said, the FBI took you down to the fire station, right, 54 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess and FBO. I don't know who 55 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: them two guys were, but they took me to the 56 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: fire station Tuesday and they asked this question me a 57 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: couple for a couple of hours. They questioned me just 58 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: about like what you maybe you're at, like what you 59 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 1: saw out here or actually like where you've been or 60 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean, weird, what was that? What? What kind of questions? 61 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: I don't even remember what they asked me. It was 62 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: a waste of my time. I know that. Did you 63 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, it can't be an easy situation, 64 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: right the police, they say they're doing their job and 65 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: question but does it unfortunately make I mean like you 66 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: feel like they're second guessing you as a president here? Yeah? 67 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: And were the questions that made you feel like, hey, wait, 68 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: wait a second, am I the one being questioned? And 69 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: why is that? I don't know. It was just a 70 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: waste of time, I thought, Well, and that was on Tuesday. 71 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: It took you into Brooklyn, I guess. Huh. Um? And 72 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: so how do you feel like they should have been, 73 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: you know, spending their time? No, I don't know. I 74 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: really don't know. Um. Have you seen activity at the 75 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: hog farms across the road? Um? And what about you 76 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: know when I mean you've made a comment. What did 77 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: you told the FBI two to get away or the 78 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: people that came and took you down to the station 79 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: just to go away or something? And they said they 80 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 1: had some kind of snide comment. I don't know. I'm done. 81 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm done, all right? Um? Is the community been really 82 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: upset about all this? That was local hog farmer Wayne Cheney. 83 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: Now he was speaking to w a oh thirt TV 84 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: reporter justin surrency right then, And I'm gonna go switching 85 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: from Lee Egan with crime Online dot Com joining me 86 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: also Ashley Wilcott, judge and founder of child crime watch 87 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: dot Com. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert and author, quickly 88 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: to Susan Constantine, body language and speech experts specializing in 89 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: detecting lies. You know what, a girl is missing, possibly dead, 90 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: And to keep saying over and over, it's a waste 91 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: of time, It's a waste time with that flat affect. 92 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you're the expert, Susan Constantine, but frankly, no 93 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 1: stone should be left unturned. He to just keep saying 94 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: it's a waste of time, waste of time. I don't know. 95 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: Maybe he's just not very articulate, but that I don't 96 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: think that's a good message to send now, And you're right, 97 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: Nancy too, And it's and you talk. Listen to him 98 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: when he's talking, he's talking about how it's affecting himself. 99 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: He's not at all concerned about what happened to the victim. 100 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: And the other thing is that we notice, in addition 101 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: to the low affect is that he has this increased 102 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: anxiety which is causing all these physiological responses of itching 103 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: the ears, to adjusting the glasses, to stroking his hair, 104 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: to you know, um crossing his arms on crossing it. 105 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: And so what the happens is that when when you're 106 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: under anxiety, it increases blood flow and causes irritation. Jos Cavaliers. 107 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: Those are all deceptive indicators. Um, so that it really 108 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: does concern me. We are talking about a local hug 109 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: farmer that lives down the street from where Molly was 110 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: last seen. This is breaking news. Now we are learning 111 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: that Molly's mother is saying, contrary to what we've been 112 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: told by authorities, both of those red shirts have been 113 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: found to ask she Willcott juvenile judge, lawyer, founder of 114 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. That is very significant because 115 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: that blows out, blows one theory straight out of the water. 116 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: That is very significant because now it means there's not 117 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: a missing red shirt in the timeline, right, it's a 118 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: it's exactly affecting the timeline of when she might have 119 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: disappeared or did disappear. I should say. The thing I 120 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: want to note though, is the mother then said Hey, 121 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: there might have been a third shirt. This young lady 122 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: had no routine other than going to work. She had 123 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: two homes, her boyfriend's home her mother's home where she 124 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: basically kept things. Sometimes she slept at one house, sometimes 125 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: the other. So it's very difficult in this case to 126 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: establish a timeline. Two red shirts effects that timeline. Now 127 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: there's talk of their being a third red shirt. And 128 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: the reason we're talking about this is because we're trying 129 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: desperately to establish a timeline in Missing Molly. Tibbitts with 130 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: me Professor of forensics, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, 131 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan forensics expert. Why is the shirt so important, 132 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Well, if the shirt is specifically owned by her, 133 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: and it is found in a location she is not 134 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: known to frequent, then that shirt is significant. Nancy, as 135 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: you well know, uh the individual that is involved in 136 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: this From an indivist, from an investigative standpoint, I can 137 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: take that timeline and try to marry it up. Let's 138 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: keep in mind that that the place where Molly actually 139 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: was last seen as in Brooklyn, Iowa, and it's some 140 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: distance from from these hog farms in this area. So 141 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: you have to wonder why the world would she be there. 142 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: She had been on foot, this sort of thing. So 143 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tie back relative to matching this 144 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: thing up with tomline and also what she had in 145 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: her possession at the last time she was seen alive. 146 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: You know. Another issue up and this is they sast 147 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: on having interviewed literally literally thousands of witnesses and defendants. UM. 148 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever noticed this, Ashley Willcott 149 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: and Susan Constantine in your work, but Susan, so often 150 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: I would be interviewing somebody or questioning them on the stand. 151 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: Let's just pretend it's a shooting, and they would tell me, okay, 152 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: we we we went by a bar, and then we 153 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: went in the car, and then we did this, and 154 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: then we did and then he jumped out of the 155 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: car and I saw him pull the gun and then 156 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: it stops. I'm like, well, what happened? Then he goes 157 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, Ms christ I looked away. My point 158 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: is at that critical moment they go blank, okay, which 159 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: is totally a big lie. Now what I'm saying is here, 160 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: maybe he just did not want to divulge it. This 161 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: uh Cheney. Cheney, the pig farmer with two prior stalking 162 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: evictions from two thousand nine and two thousand fourteen, says 163 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: he really couldn't remember what the FBI asked him. You 164 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: know what. I've been put on the stand and cross 165 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: examined one time one time, and it was in a 166 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: homicide case, and I had handed over my entire file 167 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: to the defense, and then they followed a motion to 168 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: the judge that I hadn't handed everything over. I'm like, oh, yes, 169 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: I did. Well, it turned out they were right. Homicide 170 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: had a second file and had like thirty pages in 171 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: it that they never gave me, and so therefore it 172 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: was my duty that they there was nothing significant in it. 173 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: But the fact was there were thirty pages I didn't 174 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: know about, and the defense apparently got it before I 175 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: did and put me on a cross exam on the 176 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: stand under oh, suggested I was trying to hide it. Well, 177 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: I can remember that moment to this day, and that 178 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: was over ten years ago. When you are being questioned 179 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: in a serious matter, I remember I felt hot all over. 180 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: I felt at the I could feel my face being 181 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: hot as I listened to the questions, worried had I 182 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: done anything wrong to jeopardize the case for Pete's sake. Well, 183 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: it all turned out fine because the truth came out 184 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: as soon as they put the homicide detective on the stand. Well, 185 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: how can he not remember what the FBI? I think 186 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: I would remember, Susan, What the FBI just asked me, 187 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: that helped me for two hours and wanted me to 188 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: take a polygraph test? And you're right, Nancy, And they 189 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: conveniently don't remember what they remember, but they don't want 190 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: to talk about it. And that's why he says, you know, 191 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to talk about it is enough and 192 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: what you know what we talked about this, Well, that's 193 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: not what he said, Susan. He didn't say I don't 194 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: want to talk about He said, I don't remember. How 195 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: can you not remember being grilled by the fans? Yeah, 196 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: I understand that, But even in the interview, the three 197 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: minute interview, I'm kind of going backward. I'm sorry. In 198 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: addition to that is that he just kind of walks 199 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: away when the stress is too high, he walks away. 200 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: And we know that when when liars are covering information, 201 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: they don't finish the story either. There's way too much 202 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: build up, there's not very much information, and they very 203 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: quick close up. So we look at that uh percent, 204 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: meaning the lead up to the story of the story 205 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: and the being at the end and anything outside of that. 206 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: They're not revealing all the information conveniently, and Nancy, this 207 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: is actually jumping in. The Other thing he kept saying 208 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: is I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 209 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. When I'm on the bench and I've 210 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: got juveniles in front of me, what do you think 211 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: they say, repeatedly if we ask questions of them trying 212 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: to find out what happened or about the alleged defense, 213 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Of course they know, 214 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: they just don't want to say. You know, we are 215 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: talking about a local hog farmer that lives not too 216 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: too far away from where Molly Tibbitts goes missing. Right now, 217 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: we learn, for one thing, Molly's mom says she believes 218 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: Molly went missing from the jog, which is contrary to 219 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: everything else we're learning about the timeline. What does she 220 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: know that we don't know. Also, we are learning about 221 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: a third red Shirt. We're learning that two of the 222 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: red Shirts have been found very significant in this case, 223 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: because if she had gotten up that morning, shower, gotten 224 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: ready for work, put on her shirt, left with her 225 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: cell phone, remember her cell phones missing, that's where you 226 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: start the timeline and that's how you can determine who 227 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: may have gotten Molly. But what we are learning is 228 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: from people at her job. She was expected to be 229 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: there at work. We're learning this from her boss at 230 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: Grenelle Regional Medical Center, Chad Nath, who tells us Molly 231 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: was expected to arrive around eight a m. That morning. 232 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: She never showed up. She was part of a group 233 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: of ten staff members that we're taking about seventy five 234 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: children to Accounty Fair. Hence the red shirts so the 235 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: children would be able to spot her. There's a big 236 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: difference and her getting snatched off the street while she's 237 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: jogging the evening before and her stepping out of her 238 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: home the next morning dressed to go to work. It 239 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: greatly reduces the possibilities of who took her and how 240 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: they took her. In another major development today, the reward 241 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: for formation regarding Molly has climbed up to two hundred 242 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: and twenty thousand dollars. Listen to Molly's mother, the family 243 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: and friends of my our daughter and our sister, Molly Tibbots, 244 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: would like to announce that we have set up a 245 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: Bring Molly Tibbots Home Safe reward fund at First State 246 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: Bank here in Brooklyn, Iowa. We believe that Molly is 247 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: still alive and if someone has abducted her, we are 248 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: pleading with you to please release her. It is our 249 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: greatest hope that if someone has her, that they would 250 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: just release her and claim that money that we have 251 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: raised for her freedom. You know what, it is so 252 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: hard to work cold cases. I know I have worked 253 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: them myself, especially when you know your co workers and 254 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: colleagues have already worked the case. But there's a former 255 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: prosecutor named Kelly Siegler who is a true ampion for justice, 256 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: and she is on a mission across America. What I 257 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: love about Oxygen's Cold Justice program is that Kelly and 258 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: her team of detectives take on real unsolved murder cases 259 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: and get real answers for victims and their families. You 260 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: will love how immersive this show is. You feel like 261 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: you're right there with the team writing Shotgun. They are 262 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: passionate crusaders for justice, and I like that That's what 263 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: makes each case so personal to this team. Watch the 264 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: new season of Cold Justice Saturday, six pm, Eastern, five 265 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: Central on Oxygen. Everyone knows everyone, Everyone talks to everyone, 266 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: and you can't do anything there without someone seeing it. 267 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: So we need to get that person or persons to 268 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: come forward with that information that we're getting this message out. 269 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: But the bottom line is somebody knows something. That is 270 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: Molly's father, Rob Tibbots begging people to come forward in 271 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: the search for his daughter. The reward for information regarding 272 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: Molly Tibbitts is now up to two hundred and twenty 273 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. That tipline one eight hundred four or five 274 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: to one one one one one eight hundred four or 275 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: five to one one one one. Here's the deal. Lee Egan, 276 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. I mean we're saying Brooklyn, Brooklyn. 277 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: It's Brooklyn, Iowa. How many people live there? I mean, 278 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: who can it be? How many people live in that area? Lee, 279 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: there's only about twelve hundred residents total in that area, 280 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: but the extended area will branch out to many more people. Well, 281 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Lee Egan, you could say that about the 282 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: Sahara Desert if you keep going far enough you'll run 283 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: into some people. Hey, you've keep walking, you'll run into 284 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: New York City. Lee, But right there, No, offensively, but 285 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: right there, it's twe people. I mean, Joseph Scott Morgan 286 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: helped me out. Hold on, though, let me correct myself. 287 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: Hold on, the voices in my head are having an argument. 288 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: What about Remember Shasta and Dylan Gronnie in Cordalone, Idaho. 289 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: Remember that they were living out in the middle of 290 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: nowhere and some freak comes along the interstate and decides 291 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: to do a home invasion and take the children. So 292 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: here we go. Lee's right, there's people there, But who 293 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: knows who is driving by? Is there an interstate nearby? Uh? 294 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: Does someone, let's say it come through there for business? Um? 295 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: You know, it could be a sales rep. My brother 296 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: was a sales rep for Johnston Johnson for thirty years. 297 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: He drove the same route. It could be a trucker, 298 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: It could be anybody, a delivery person. It could be 299 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: someone from out of town that was coming through for 300 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: some other reason. And how do I know? But I 301 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: mean the fact there's only twelve hundred people there. Joseph 302 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, that's got to narrow the field. For Pete's sake. Yeah, 303 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: of course it does. They're they're not too far away 304 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: from Interstate eighties. That's in East West Thoroughfare, Nancy. But 305 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: this is this is just it. You're gonna tell me 306 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 1: that just some random stranger wanders into a town in 307 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: rural America people and out of all the people there, 308 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: he picks this girl to have them have her just 309 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: vanish into thin air. I'm not buying it. Uh. You know, 310 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: we we walk around in fear of strangers all the time. 311 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: But you know, you're you're more you're more at risk 312 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: with people that are in your close proximity than you 313 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: are with people that are just randomly driving down the road. Now, 314 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: as an investigator, I want to take a real hard 315 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: look at people that are in her orbit, that are 316 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: in in the area in which she resides. That people 317 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: would have been familiar with her, that would have known 318 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: a routine, perhaps lee or maybe just caught her out 319 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: of the corner of their eye and developed some kind 320 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: of desire for her. That's the kind of people I 321 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: want to zero in on. Uh. And I would press 322 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: very very hard when it comes to this gentleman that 323 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: we heard earlier. Well, I'm telling you I agree with you. 324 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: I agree with you. Two Susan Constantine speech experts specializing 325 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: in detecting lies. This hog farmer does live near her. 326 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like in a densely populated suburb, 327 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,719 Speaker 1: but he does live near her and would be familiar 328 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: as to where she lives. Again, he is not named 329 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: a person of interest, he is not named a suspect. 330 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: But I do know the fans are sir going back 331 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: to talk to him a second time. I do know 332 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: they asked him to take a polygraph and he refused it. 333 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: Now does that mean he's guilty, Absolutely not. But I 334 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: understand why the cops are looking at him. What more 335 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: can you tell me about his statement? Well, we're listening 336 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: to a statement. He's just not offering any valuable information. 337 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: And usually when somebody is missing, people that are in 338 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: the community want to help out. So it's a natural 339 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: instinct to say, I want to tell you what I 340 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: know so that they can help police officer FBI find 341 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: out what happened. But the fact that he has voice 342 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: is very flat, which could be his natural affect. We 343 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: don't know, because I don't have anything else to compare 344 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: it to. But the fact that he's looking at himself 345 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: like it's me, I'm the one that's being bothered, rather 346 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: than understanding what the parents are going through. There's no 347 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: emotion or empathy, So there's a lack of that empathy 348 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: and compassion that concerns me. Explained to me Lee Egan, 349 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: why the mother is saying that she's convinced Molly was 350 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: taken while she was jogging the night before. Is it 351 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: because the things she would typically take with her to 352 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: jog are gone? The cell phone, the fitbit, her jogging 353 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: clothes are missing. Is that what it is? Lie, That's 354 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: what it is. The things that she always takes with 355 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: her she would have had if somebody came into the home. 356 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: The mother thinks there's no way that they would take 357 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: all of her, Like they wouldn't grab her phone, they 358 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't grab her arm, the little arm things she keeps 359 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: her phone in on when she jogs, They would leave 360 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: that there if they abducted her from the home. So 361 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: the mom's thinking she had to be out running and 362 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: somebody snatched her up while she had all those things 363 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: on her. Well, I'm telling you just got more than 364 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: the reason. UH investigators got away from that theory. Is 365 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: because they say that a snapchat taken indoors of her 366 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: was sent by her to her boyfriend that evening he 367 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: opened it at ten pm. She obviously was not not 368 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: out running after ten pm. And not only that, her 369 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: computer reportedly revealed she had been up late that night 370 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: working on her computer doing homework, which is inconsistent with 371 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: her being snatched while she was jogging. Yes, so what 372 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: are we left with if if, if, if she was abducted, 373 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: that would mean in that scenario that someone would have 374 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: physically perhaps come into the home and you know, taking 375 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: her from that location, or maybe she walked out of 376 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: the house, maybe she heard something outside the house, was 377 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: drawn out, and someone abducted her while she was in 378 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: the front yard. Now, I'm just saying this relative to 379 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: the scenario that we're discussing right now. But is there 380 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: any evidence at the home? I want to know what 381 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: the police have done there at that particular scene as 382 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: far as processing that was their evidence of forced entry, 383 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: was their evidence of struggle, all those things that we 384 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: look for and crime scene investigation. Is there anything that 385 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: is left behind there that would give us an indication 386 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: she was taken against her will? You know, Leagan I've 387 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: seen nothing about a forced entry. I've seen nothing about 388 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: a struggle or a ransacking. And what I'm hearing now 389 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: that the fitbit was gone, the armholder that she used 390 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: to put her put her cell phone into it when 391 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: she ran. Her jogging clothes, probably her running shoes are 392 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: all missing. That goes back to the jogging theory, which 393 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: in my mind makes it even harder to pinpoint a 394 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: perp um. What can you tell me about whether she 395 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: was there at the boyfriend's house. He was out of town, 396 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 1: and to be the brother he lived with was out 397 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: of town. Also, they apparently have been cleared she was 398 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: their dog sitting. Is it truely that at night or 399 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: when she was gone, the dogs would be kept in 400 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: the basement and the cops found the dogs in the 401 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: basement with the basement door locked. That is correct. And 402 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: another thing is that the dogs if she was at 403 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: home or if she went to sleep, the dogs would 404 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: not be put in the basement. If she was sleeping, 405 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: they would sleep in the bed with her. The only 406 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: time she put the dogs in the basement is if 407 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: she was out of the house. And when police found 408 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: the dogs they were they were fine, nothing, no damage, 409 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: but they were in the basement. Okay, Ashley Willcott, you 410 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: and I have seen so many scenarios unfold. Your lawyer, 411 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: a judge found her child crime watch dot com way 412 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: in what are your observations so far? Listen? You know 413 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: I rarely disagree with everyone on the show, especially you, Nancy, 414 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: But in this case, I think we're not talking about 415 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: two things. Number One, she might have left while untarily 416 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: and God, I hope that's the case and she's out 417 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: there fine. We don't know that she did not choose 418 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: to walk away and go somewhere number one, and that 419 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: could be why she locked because we don't know. I'm 420 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: hopeful it's the case and not the other. But all 421 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying is law enforcements got to look at everything. Everything. 422 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that goes without saying what we're talking about 423 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: is the relevant evidence, the Code twenty four, the relevant evidence. Ashley, 424 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: Do you really believe she just went on a walk about? 425 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: You really think that she didn't disappear in a thin air? 426 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: And they're doing all the right things in the investigation, 427 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: but what the Hey, somebody knows something, And I'm just saying, 428 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: is that an option? Is it a possibility? Even if 429 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: it's slight. Absolutely. The other possibility we've touched on, even 430 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: if it's light, is it might have been a complete stranger. 431 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: We don't know that it wasn't that it wasn't a 432 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: random a whippck abduction. Take a listen now to more 433 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: of what we have learned. This is not like her. 434 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: Dalton Jack is living in a nightmare. I figured i'd 435 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: speak to her in that hour or so, and right 436 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: now it's one he can't wake up from. I came 437 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: home as soon as her mom said that she called 438 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: the hospital and she wasn't there. The last time the 439 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: twenty year old saw Molly was on Wednesday at ten 440 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: pm when he opened a snapchat from her. It was 441 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: just a selfie with the caption and I don't remember 442 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: what the caption said, but it looked like she was inside. 443 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: He never thought he wouldn't hear from her again. Early 444 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: Thursday morning, he didn't notice the message hadn't been read 445 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 1: until her friend called late that afternoon. One of her 446 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: co workers called me, said Molly had not called into 447 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: work that day and she hadn't showed up. And then 448 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: I looked at the messages and she hadn't opened or 449 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: read any of them. So I started getting in contact 450 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: with her friends and her family, saying, hey, have you 451 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: seen her? Have you heard from her? And everybody came 452 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: up with the same thing. No, I haven't seen her 453 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: since Yester sweet. I've never seen her be angry or 454 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: mean to anybody in the almost three years that we've 455 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: been dating. To not know where she is unsettling and 456 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: he's gone numb. If this is her running off, this 457 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: is just no. We were just coming. Nobody in, nobody 458 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: in the world, not her family, not me, nobody would 459 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: have ever guessed that she would just take off and 460 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: not tell anybody while law enforcement continued to search for her. 461 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: There's just one thing he wants Molly to know. I 462 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: miss you so much, and that's boyfriend Dalton Jack. She 463 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: was at his home that he shared with his brother baby, 464 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: sitting his dogs. She was last saying wearing her running gear, 465 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: dark colored running shorts, a pink sports talk running shoes. 466 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: The boyfriend working at construction job a hundred twenty one 467 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: miles away. He has been cleared again. He received a 468 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: snapchat from Molly that night, taken indoors, suggesting she had 469 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: returned home after the jog. He also shares as I 470 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: told you the home with his brother and the brother's fiancee. 471 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: They were both away out of town at the time. 472 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: They were set to marry in Dominican republican of destination 473 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: wedding that has been canceled, while the search from Molly 474 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: goes on. Now, the boyfriend, Dalton Jack, tells us that 475 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: Molly had probably gone to bed without locking the doors, 476 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: given that it is a very peaceful rural area of 477 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: about twelve people, that it was common practice to go 478 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: to bed without locking doors. Were now learning through Lee Egan, 479 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: she typically slept with the dogs while the boyfriend's gone. 480 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: What else do we know? We know the dogs locked up, 481 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: not just in the basement, but locked up, suggesting she 482 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: was still on the run or had left had left 483 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: the home on her own. Take a listen to this, 484 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, if they're listening, then I would just like 485 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: them to know that imagine this was you. Everybody has 486 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: a Molly in their life, a person that has affected 487 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: her them in a way that she affected everybody standing 488 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: up here right now, and imagine if this was you. 489 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: Somebody had taken your Molly, um, when you want to help, 490 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: when you want her back, how would you feel? Just 491 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: do the right thing and you know, let her go. 492 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: Pretty much sickness off Steve, because I don't know where 493 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: she is. I don't know if she's saved. We're just 494 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: hoping for her safe return. The reward for Molly's safe 495 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: return now climbing to two hundred and twenty thousand dollars 496 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: the tip line eight hundred four or five to one 497 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: on one, tip line eight hundred four or five to 498 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: one one one one. And speaking of that reward, what 499 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: we're trying to do is shake the tree. We want 500 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: somebody to come forward, even if they're even if it's 501 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: not real, at least to start a conversation with somebody. Um. 502 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: Somebody might know uh that there she's being held by somebody, 503 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: but would never say anything because if they said something, 504 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: they may think that reciprocity or their life might be 505 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: a danger. We can guarantee that whoever gives this information 506 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: up uh, their identity will be protected. When they put 507 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: in the tip, they get a random number that matches 508 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: that tip. So if you're one, two, three, four, five 509 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: that have to contact us back and say hey, I 510 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: saw in the media, well, in this case, if they 511 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: got them, if they got Molly they're gonna call and say, hey, 512 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: I see there's a reward. I want to let her go. 513 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: And then and then that negotiation will be done with 514 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: the law enforcement and whole a whole new dynamic will 515 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: come into play, and we hope that dynamic comes into play. 516 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: That's why we're doing what we're doing. You are listening 517 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: the tip being described as you just heard. That was 518 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: Crime Stoppers of Central Iowa spokesperson Greg Wildly speaking at 519 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: a news conference in the last hours. Let's take a 520 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: look at what we know. The boyfriend, Dalton Jack says 521 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: he spoke with Tibbets via text messages and social media 522 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: just before she went out on an evening jog. That's 523 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: what he's saying. He says, she runs every night, and 524 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: she likes to go whenever the sun's not down, repeat 525 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: not down, so it would have still been daylight hours 526 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: that she knows the area very well, he believes. The boyfriend, 527 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: Dalton Jack says she would have had both her Fitbit 528 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: activity tracker and her cell phone when she went out 529 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: for a jog. She was last seen, according to eyewitnesses, 530 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: around seven pm local time that night, still daylight, running 531 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: the streets of Iowa uh, wearing dark colored running shorts, 532 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: running shoes, and a pink sports talk. Now, this is 533 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: according to the Iowa Department of Public Safety. Now, immediately 534 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: the very next day, when she doesn't show up for 535 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: work at eight a m her family reports her missing. 536 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: Completely out of character for Molly not to show up 537 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: for work. The search going on right now. Police in Kearnie, 538 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: Missouri respond then to an unconfirmed sighting of tibbots at 539 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: a truck stop. We have learned that that siding was 540 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: not Molly tibbots. Repeat, not Molly tibbots. Now interesting, Actually 541 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: you had a question, Actually, will caught with me a lawyer, judge, 542 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot com a question regarding 543 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: the wallet and the debit card Ash. That's right, Nancy, So, 544 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: I know that the reports are that they located or 545 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: found the debit card, a passport that she'd recently gotten, 546 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: and the wallet. What I didn't see is any consistent 547 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: information about where those were found, because that's really significant. 548 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: Again and where when the time frame she disappeared? What 549 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: about it? Lee Egan. So police found her laptop and 550 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: her wallet. Inside her wallet was her driver's license, debit card, 551 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: and a newly acquired passport. They were all left in 552 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: her boyfriend's house. But interesting, now I'm I'm understanding what 553 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: the mom is saying. That she still had with her 554 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: everything she would have taken to run, that the dogs 555 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: were still a lot in the basement where she would 556 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,439 Speaker 1: put them when she goes jogging. If she were home, 557 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: they would be up with her. So I hear what 558 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: the mom is saying. In the last hours, with the 559 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: help of hundreds of volunteers scouring the area and the 560 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: surrounding area, we learned that police have gone to a 561 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: pig farm. Uh, they've been there several times. It's about 562 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: ten miles south of Brooklyn, Iowa. We also learned that 563 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: it's not while it's not uncommon for fans to go 564 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: back to a site, but the fans are going back 565 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: for a second interview with a pig farmer that lives nearby. 566 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: He has refused a polygraph test. Susan Constantine with me 567 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: renowned body language and speech experts specializing and detecting lies. 568 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: You know a lot of people refuse a polygraph, right, Okay, 569 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: So what does that mean to you, Susan Constantine, Well, 570 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: it tells me that they have the fear of taking 571 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: a polygraph. If there's something that is in their subconscious 572 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: that they can't reveal, it might be damaging. So you know, there, 573 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: there really isn't any reason why a person wouldn't want 574 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: to take a polygraph if they were innocent. So that 575 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: would raise a red flag for me. And of course, Ashley, 576 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 1: you can't bring that into evidence at trial, that someone 577 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: refused a polygraph. That's equated to commenting on their right 578 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: to remain silent, and that's disallowed at trial. That's absolutely correct. 579 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: It's not allowed at trial, and it just gives us 580 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: more information during the investigation to figure out what in 581 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: fact this man is telling the truth and not about 582 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: and what he's not. And I agree completely. If he 583 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 1: were completely innocent, if he knew nothing, if he had 584 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: no reason to be concerned, he, like anybody else, would 585 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 1: be the first one in there to say I will 586 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: take a polygraph. But yet he is not. Nancy jump in, yeah, listen. 587 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,439 Speaker 1: I have to say, the currency, if you you don't 588 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: mind me equating to that that investigators deal in is time. 589 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: Time is the most valuable thing that investigators possess. I 590 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: believe that the police, uh and uh, the FBI no 591 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: more at this point than any of us possibly know. 592 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: They are not going to waste their pressure currency time 593 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: and going back out there. There's more to this. I 594 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: think that they're concentrating in this particular area. I don't 595 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: know if this individual has anything to do with it, 596 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: but they're focused in this area. Something has drawn them there, 597 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: and we have to keep that in mind. That's why 598 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: it's going to be very critical over the next few 599 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: days that we all watch this investigation that zeroed in 600 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,439 Speaker 1: on this particular area very very carefully, because I don't 601 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: know what's happened. Uh. You know, I would say something 602 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,760 Speaker 1: like electronic evidence, but they have those those those items 603 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: in their possession. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, don't 604 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: Joe's got Morgan. You know what, we can't help. But 605 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: if you're just smarter than all the rest of us, 606 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: when you just throw out terms like electronic cabinets, what 607 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: do you mean by that, Well, I'm talking about being 608 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: able to peeing a cell phone, get this fitbit where 609 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: you can read this thing. Those things, those things leave 610 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: a trail. Don't think, Nancy. It's just one of the 611 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: things that we look at as far as establishing a timeline, uh, 612 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: pinpointing location that sort of thing. So all of that 613 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 1: is very very critical. Something else I believe has drawn 614 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: them out there to this location in this rural area 615 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: that's south of Brooklyn where she was last known alive. 616 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: And this is about a fifteen mile jaunt to get 617 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: down to the area from Brooklyn where they are where 618 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: they're focusing right now at this point. So all of 619 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 1: this is very very critical in my opinion. So we're 620 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: talking about a fitbit. It's kind of like a smart watch. 621 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: What all, Jessica Morgan, can a fitbit reveal? Yeah, this 622 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: is that we're we're gonna talk about, well, if you're, 623 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: if you're, it's got a pedometer on it so that 624 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: it can that allows us to tell how many steps uh, 625 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: that an individual has taken. It also gives us bio 626 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: feedback relative to heart rate and of sorts of things. 627 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: So there's any number of things bits of information that 628 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: can be harvested. I'm sure that there are other items 629 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: on the fitbit that can be harvested that we're not 630 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: aware of. But hold on, I know you're gonna remember this, 631 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,439 Speaker 1: everybody that I'm speaking to right now. The attack on 632 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: a beautiful young woman, a murdered woman, her fit bit 633 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: was used to charge her husband in that deadly attack. 634 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 1: He told police a masked intruder barged in their Connecticut home, 635 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: that he tied up and tortured the husband, and when 636 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: the wife came home, he just killed her. I'm talking 637 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: about Richard Debate. That's what he told police. This is 638 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 1: one thing he forgot to do when he stayed the scene, 639 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: according to police, is to get rid of his wife's fitbit. 640 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: The husband told detectives he had put his two children 641 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: on the bus that morning, way bye bye to his wife, 642 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: Connie Debate, and he went to work. Then he said 643 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: his wife went to a fitness class at the y 644 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: in his version. In his version, he went back home 645 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: when he said he forgot his laptop round nine am, hurt, 646 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: a noise, went upstairs, and all hell broke loose. That's 647 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: where he blames unusual mysterious man with a stocky bill, 648 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: of course, wearing camouflage and a ski mask. That's convenient. Hey, 649 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: it must have been those ninjas that Jodi Arius said 650 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: broke into her home and killed Travis Alexander. Okay, that 651 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: they quote tussled and somehow, somehow this guy got the 652 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: best of him and tied him up. Then comes the fitbit. 653 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,280 Speaker 1: That was his mistake. He forgot to take the fitbit 654 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: off his wife's body. According to police, police scouring the 655 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: area couldn't find a suspect. They brought in the k nines, 656 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: everything they could think of, and then they figured out 657 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:09,720 Speaker 1: what happened. Connie's fitbit registered movement at the very same 658 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: time the garage door opened in the kitchen that she 659 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: was active up to nine forty to ninety six posting videos. 660 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: Then the fitbit shows her in the home walking around 661 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: between eighteen and ten oh five a m. When he 662 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: comes home to get his laptop and the camouflaged, masked 663 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: aggressor comes in to the home. So they analyze all 664 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: of that and then they dig up a nearly half 665 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: a million dollar insurance policy and that was all she wrote. 666 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: That's what they can do with your fitbit. So Joe Scott, 667 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: can't they figure out where she last was? I mean, 668 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: doesn't the fitbit transmit the information? They don't have to 669 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: have the actual fitbit, do they. I would think that 670 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: it would, uh, particularly if it's a WiFi enabled it 671 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: would go back to a central server cloud. Uh. And 672 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: I think that that's gonna be key. Uh And so 673 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: again that might be a piece of information that the 674 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: police have at this moment time that we're not fully 675 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: aware of right now. And again this is going to 676 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: help them establish a timeline. Again, time is what we 677 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: deal in here, and being able to place people at 678 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: specific locations and their activities at those particular times. It's 679 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 1: it's a far across from what we used to deal with. 680 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: Now we can kind of tighten that window down a 681 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: little bit and hopefully this is gonna help. Yeah, investigators 682 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: now painting a lot of hope on data from Molly's fitbit, 683 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: hoping it will give clues to her whereabouts. We know 684 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: she was where r in the fitbit when she went 685 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 1: jogging that data transmitted. We know the day she disappeared, 686 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: her brother, her own brother, dropped her off at her 687 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: boyfriend's home so she could dog sit. Now that is 688 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: according uh to information we have received, along with what 689 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 1: she was wearing that evening. Now, days after her disappearance, 690 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: the search has intensified. Executed search warrants for the fitbit, 691 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:36,359 Speaker 1: information to her Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook accounts have occurred. They 692 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: are sifting through all of that evidence. Now, the FBI 693 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: has taken over the case. They have now interviewed a 694 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: local pig farmer two times, asked him to submit to 695 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: a polygraph. He denied. His farm is about ten miles 696 00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: southeast of the home where Tibet was last sane. The 697 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 1: family begging for help. Take a listen to this. We 698 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,720 Speaker 1: are told very little by the authorities for very good reason. 699 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: They are incredible partners. They put together an incredible investigation. 700 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: It's large, it's sophisticated, it's aggressive, and they have been 701 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: nothing but sensitive to our family, and to suggest otherwise 702 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: is wrong. But they are not sharing information with us 703 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: because they don't need to share information with someone who 704 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: might be implicated in this. That is Molly's father, as 705 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: he is begging for help. The search for Molly goes on. Listen. 706 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 1: Every day, I feel Molly's presence with me, um, you know, 707 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,760 Speaker 1: sometimes I just feel her sitting on my shoulder. And 708 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: Molly was an incredibly strong young woman, and I don't 709 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,400 Speaker 1: know that I have the strengthen me, but Molly's lending 710 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: me her strength every day, every night, And yes I 711 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: have my moments of complete moltdowns, but it is through 712 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,439 Speaker 1: this strength that is somehow and I don't know how 713 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: being bestowed upon me that I am able to get 714 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 1: through every morning, every noon, every night. That is Molly's 715 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: mother speaking, Susan, did you hear her refer to Molly 716 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,840 Speaker 1: in the past tense? Yeah, because she's actually seen viewing 717 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: her is already gone, and when people speak in past tense, 718 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: they don't have a hope that they're able to find her. 719 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,800 Speaker 1: So you know, unfortunately, that's kind of what she's actually 720 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: internally processing, and that's what she thinks, and that's the 721 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: reason why she used past tense with me. Susan Constantine 722 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 1: just got Morgan, Ashley Willcott and Lee Agan again. Please 723 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: help us the tip line eight hundred four five two 724 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,959 Speaker 1: one one one one. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off 725 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,360 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,