Speaker 1: From Indianapolis, Indiana. Our coverage of the NFL Scouting Combine continues.
Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium, the site the on field testing beginning tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but across the street in the Indiana Convention Center. Hot
Speaker 1: and heavy on Radio Row in the Media Center and
Speaker 1: welcome in its jags am from Radio Row in Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: JP Shadwick, John Osier, and the King of the Combine
Speaker 1: has arrived to sit in his throne all week long.
Speaker 1: It's Bucky Brooks. Welcome to Indy man.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to be here, Like it's one of my
Speaker 2: favorite places, one of my favorite events to as end.
Speaker 2: Get a chance to see you old colleagues, get a
Speaker 2: chancey the new class of players coming in and catch.
Speaker 3: It with you. Guys.
Speaker 4: It's truly like the Pied Piper when you follow him
Speaker 4: around here. I mean it's you can follow him. He is,
Speaker 4: He's an icon. But I'm not sure Bucky, that your
Speaker 4: event is going to be your event for that much longer.
Speaker 4: I think the Combine feels to me like it's changing.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about that later in the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like definitely not the same.
Speaker 2: Not as many people and not as many personnel coming
Speaker 2: out to the bench, which is kind of depressing.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants a piece of Everybody wants a piece of
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. I mean the latest monk came out. We'll
Speaker 1: get to that. It was yesterday, just in time for
Speaker 1: the combine. In your visit here, and everybody wants to
Speaker 1: talk to you about your selections for their team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully I can.
Speaker 2: I can remember who I put there musical chairs. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're sitting there laying on a Sunday night trying to
Speaker 2: throw darts to try and figure out who's and what's what.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun. But right now the Monks
Speaker 2: will not have as much accuracy. We haven't even done
Speaker 2: free agency yet. No, I haven't got anything. I haven't
Speaker 2: cut players yet. Yeah, we're still trying to figure it out.
Speaker 4: Not have as much accus so they'll have like less close.
Speaker 2: As you can kind of narrow it down. But yeah,
Speaker 2: like you know, like right now we're really guessing. Yes,
Speaker 2: this clickbait a little bit, a little bit, a little
Speaker 2: just a little it's a little clickbait, clickbait.
Speaker 1: Imagine that Bucky Brooks with clickbait. Charles Davis, NFL Network,
Speaker 1: CBS Sports, Serrius XM Radio coming up in just a
Speaker 1: little bit. He's around Radio row as well. He'll join
Speaker 1: us here in the program in just a little while.
Speaker 1: Of course, the big reason why we are here every
Speaker 1: year is that the GM and head coach speak with
Speaker 1: the media, and they did that yesterday, Trent Balke and
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson really setting the tone for the start of
Speaker 1: the twenty four campaign and beyond. The league year officially
Speaker 1: begins March thirteenth, but this is really the start where
Speaker 1: the messaging begins for how they're going to move forward.
Speaker 1: John and Hey, collective front was the idea, right. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of noise in the system after the
Speaker 1: nine and eight and the collapse to get there and
Speaker 1: miss the playoffs. But both were out there yesterday and
Speaker 1: now they have a course moving ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought both of them on our show, and
Speaker 4: then when they're on the podium the nice job setting
Speaker 4: the tone and clarifying which Trent had said a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks ago. Look, this was a nine and eighteen,
Speaker 4: it was not a one in sixteen team. They don't
Speaker 4: feel like they're far away. Trend on the podium probably
Speaker 4: said it best. Very disappointed by the end of last season,
Speaker 4: but focused on moving forward. But yeah, I don't think
Speaker 4: they're that far away. Do you agree with what they
Speaker 4: were saying? And are there are there moves that they
Speaker 4: can make? Are there things that they can do quote
Speaker 4: easily to get to where they want to go?
Speaker 2: I think so. Look, I don't think the team is
Speaker 2: far away. I mean, it's funny. It's just the way
Speaker 2: that the team finished that that led to disappoint.
Speaker 4: It was a nine and eighth three fourteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it just it just felt bad, just
Speaker 2: because the tail spin that the team went on down
Speaker 2: the stretch, but also coincided with Trevor Lawrence suffering a
Speaker 2: handful of injuries not being able to play at his best,
Speaker 2: but also not having Christian Kirk there having a handful
Speaker 2: of other injuries to impact the performance and that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's this.
Speaker 2: It's clearly an excuse because injuries are going to happen.
Speaker 2: But if you go back and look at the amount
Speaker 2: of closed games that they lost, how they lost those games,
Speaker 2: and the performers of their star players, the injuries did
Speaker 2: have a big impact on the way the team finished
Speaker 2: the season.
Speaker 1: A lot of talk yesterday Doug Peterson, of course, is
Speaker 1: at the podium I will hear from these guys coming
Speaker 1: up some bites from yesterday. But then after I had
Speaker 1: a little scrum off to the side with the local
Speaker 1: media as they often do here before the run to
Speaker 1: Radio Row, and that's when the offensive play calling question
Speaker 1: line started to come up. John, you were standing right there,
Speaker 1: and Doug Peterson said, Hey, everything's under evaluation still.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He expressed great faith in Press Taylor, which I do
Speaker 4: believe he has. He didn't waiver from Press all year.
Speaker 4: I think Doug's thought on it is that him and
Speaker 4: Press are of such like mind if there's not much
Speaker 4: of a difference what I'm called plays in the first
Speaker 4: half one and second half in twenty two. But that
Speaker 4: being said, Brent Martin, I didn't nicely have asked the question.
Speaker 4: Doug might be one of the best play callers in
Speaker 4: the NFL. And Brent's question to him was, if you're
Speaker 4: that good at it, sort of doesn't it make sense
Speaker 4: for you to call it no matter how good Press
Speaker 4: is at it? And you know that made sense to me,
Speaker 4: And Doug didn't really address that question in particular, but
Speaker 4: he certainly left the door open to call plays.
Speaker 3: Bucky Well, I think as a head coach.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, you have veto power and you're responsible for the
Speaker 2: performance of the team, and as the noise escalates around
Speaker 2: the team, sometimes as a head coach, you got to
Speaker 2: jump in there. I do often wonder when your superpower
Speaker 2: is you're one of the best.
Speaker 3: Play callers in the league.
Speaker 2: To see control of that, to me, sometimes you wonder why.
Speaker 2: But I think the great example for Doug is looking
Speaker 2: at his old mentor, Andy Reid, and Andy Reid has
Speaker 2: been able to cycle through a few offensive coordinators, guys
Speaker 2: who have called plays, but when it assists the same Yeah,
Speaker 2: But then when it gets down to it, Andy recalls
Speaker 2: the plays in those critical moments. And so maybe it's
Speaker 2: a bit of that ying and yang where look fresh
Speaker 2: you call it, but in some of these gotta have
Speaker 2: it moments, or based on the field on the floor
Speaker 2: of the game, maybe he has to step in and
Speaker 2: do maybe a little more of the play call and
Speaker 2: than he did last year.
Speaker 4: And Doug did say, and I believe it's from talking
Speaker 4: to head coaches over the years. He liked that thirty
Speaker 4: thousand feet view all right, that you're able to get
Speaker 4: when you don't have your nose sort of in the
Speaker 4: play sheet game situations and maybe he's sort of adjusting
Speaker 4: to that a little bit. How to best balance that?
Speaker 4: Does that make sense Buck Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you're the head coach, there's so many
Speaker 2: other things that you response before outside of just being
Speaker 2: the offensive play caller. You have to understand what the
Speaker 2: defense is doing, what issues are giving them problems, the
Speaker 2: special teams, how you want to tie it all together.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when you're the play caller, it it's harder to
Speaker 2: kind of manage the entire game and kind of coordinate
Speaker 2: all the different phases to the to the team that's it.
Speaker 2: He has been such a good play call that he
Speaker 2: has done one of his big quarterbacks throughout his time.
Speaker 2: You do wonder by stepping back, how does it impact
Speaker 2: the thing?
Speaker 5: I kind of liken it to. I mean, like playing
Speaker 5: a video game.
Speaker 2: You and I can all play with the same team,
Speaker 2: but we have our own different styles and flavor that
Speaker 2: we add to it. Doug Peterson's flavor is a lot
Speaker 2: different than Press Taylor, and so I don't know, I
Speaker 2: kind of missed some of the dug stuff that he
Speaker 2: was doing the first year in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: And he made reference yesterday also to you know, had
Speaker 1: to step back a little bit. Some other things were
Speaker 1: going on off to the side, and I guess you
Speaker 1: can infer that maybe it was some defensive issues he
Speaker 1: had to kind of oversee a little bit more, and
Speaker 1: maybe with a new coordinator in may not have to
Speaker 1: do as much of on that side of the ball.
Speaker 1: He's not really used to that, and maybe he can
Speaker 1: get back to some of that.
Speaker 4: He certainly said he hoped that, you know, you hope
Speaker 4: your defensive coordinator high right, Nielsen works out where he's
Speaker 4: that guy. He didn't say that Mike Caldwell wasn't, but
Speaker 4: he made reference to that a little bit. Didn't really
Speaker 4: get into what he was talking about, so to speak,
Speaker 4: of what he had to address. But if you change
Speaker 4: your dynamic just a little, then in big moments, maybe
Speaker 4: that changes it a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does change it a lot.
Speaker 2: And so here's the thing about an offensive head coach
Speaker 2: play caller. When you're the play caller and the head coach,
Speaker 2: a lot of times you want a defensive head coach,
Speaker 2: meaning the defensive cordin is in charge of that side
Speaker 2: of the ball and you're just able to work on
Speaker 2: focus on offense and not entrust it. But because Mike
Speaker 2: Halweb might have been having some issues on that side.
Speaker 2: He had to step in and do more, and that
Speaker 2: distracted him from being able to concentrate on what he
Speaker 2: wanted to do on offense.
Speaker 1: Our guest today on Jags Am from the NFL on CBS,
Speaker 1: NFL Network, Serious XM Radio. I guess another king of
Speaker 1: the combine. I didn't know there were multiple cash it's
Speaker 1: Charles Davis Kings. Yes, what's up, Charles? How are you?
Speaker 6: I'm doing great? Yeah, we got yeah, Yeah, we're good.
Speaker 6: Got I'm doing I'm doing well. It's so great to
Speaker 6: see all of you. And Bucky's got to be sick
Speaker 6: of me, because Bucky just spent a week with me
Speaker 6: in New Orleans, the HBCU All story, the legacy story.
Speaker 6: But thank goodness, I get a chance to hang with
Speaker 6: all of you again.
Speaker 3: This is great.
Speaker 1: Good to see you. And we're reviewing Doug Peterson and
Speaker 1: Trent Balkey at the podium yesterday, Jaguars leadership and some
Speaker 1: of the play calling storylines that have come out of
Speaker 1: that on the offensive. So you saw the Jags how
Speaker 1: many times last year?
Speaker 3: God?
Speaker 5: We saw him what three times? I believe last year?
Speaker 6: I think I think it was three times. I know
Speaker 6: we saw you in Pittsburgh. It was a good win
Speaker 6: there Kansas City at home early when it was three
Speaker 6: and twenty seven degrees.
Speaker 3: It was very high.
Speaker 6: I will tell you this is a true story. The
Speaker 6: people who bring you games and televised games and will
Speaker 6: always get overlooked because you know, you know what's about
Speaker 6: our camera people happened to be out there and that
Speaker 6: that so person who runs the handheld.
Speaker 5: You know, we got it on your shoulder and you're
Speaker 5: doing it. Those cameras are black.
Speaker 6: Okay, Black's not the color you want in the heat, right,
Speaker 6: you don't want any of that.
Speaker 5: It was so hot. Literally had to go to the
Speaker 5: hospital with burns on his hand.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: Oh okay. And we had another camera person fall out
Speaker 5: that day.
Speaker 6: It was brutally, brutally hot heck of a football game
Speaker 6: and Jacksonville had multiple opportunities to win.
Speaker 5: It couldn't score in the red zone.
Speaker 3: Now you know a couple of years. Yeah, that's the deal.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about offensive play call and Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: didn't close the door yesterday on taking it back.
Speaker 6: And you know something, he shouldn't And I don't mean
Speaker 6: that as a slam against Press Taylor or anything like that.
Speaker 5: You're the head coach. What is best for your team.
Speaker 6: The only thing I would say, and Doug needs no
Speaker 6: advice from me, but look at what Carolina did last
Speaker 6: year and don't do that. And this is this is
Speaker 6: coming from someone with full respect for Frank Reich, because
Speaker 6: I love Frank Reich. I hated how it went for
Speaker 6: him at Carolina. But to say, you're going to be
Speaker 6: the play caller with a rookie quarterback who's number one,
Speaker 6: turn it over mid season and then take it back Bucky,
Speaker 6: that's a quarterback. Yeah, it's well, when you commit and go,
Speaker 6: that's all I say.
Speaker 3: It is hard.
Speaker 2: So we were having a conversation before you came on,
Speaker 2: and we were talking about maybe he learned something from
Speaker 2: watching Andy Reid. You certainly have seen the Kancity Chiefs,
Speaker 2: and it appears that even though he has a coordinator
Speaker 2: who is calling plays and Big Red, big Red takes over.
Speaker 2: And so I do wonder do you think that Doug
Speaker 2: can kind of pick up the phone call and they say,
Speaker 2: how do I navigate?
Speaker 3: How do I manage this situation where I'm a.
Speaker 2: Really good play caller, I have a young guy that
Speaker 2: I want to groom for kind of an elevated role.
Speaker 2: How do I kind of dip in and dip out
Speaker 2: when it comes to play call?
Speaker 5: He absolutely can call him. You know that Andy's gonna
Speaker 5: take that call. Those are all his kids, all right.
Speaker 5: He groomed him.
Speaker 6: Plus he can go back and remember his experience because
Speaker 6: Andy was still calling the plays and Doug wasn't a
Speaker 6: full time play caller when he came. Remember how Andy
Speaker 6: would let him call parts of things in different spots and.
Speaker 5: Then crunched down.
Speaker 6: I got it, I got it, and then off they
Speaker 6: would go. So he remembers how it all went.
Speaker 5: To me.
Speaker 6: It is much more about what you were saying. You're
Speaker 6: rooming a young play caller. If you want to call plays,
Speaker 6: How do I do this with this young play caller?
Speaker 6: Where that young play caller I don't lose him because
Speaker 6: he feels like I've taken something from him. That's gonna
Speaker 6: be the key if it Doug Peterson wants to do that.
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy went through it. Remember he gave up play calling,
Speaker 6: but he always took it back in the off season
Speaker 6: and was definitive about it. When he would take it back,
Speaker 6: it wasn't during season.
Speaker 3: I'm taking it.
Speaker 5: I think that's where Doug is going right now with
Speaker 5: his dilemma.
Speaker 3: Charles.
Speaker 4: Right before you got here, we were talking about Jaguars season.
Speaker 4: Obviously it finished disastrously, which sort of made a nine
Speaker 4: and eight season feel like three and fourteen, right you
Speaker 4: maybe being a bit separate from it, where we got
Speaker 4: to get into the minutia overall, where do you see
Speaker 4: this team? Can you bounce back from what happened at
Speaker 4: the end of last year? How do you assess it
Speaker 4: going forward?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that they can. It was a major shocker.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not going to sit here in sugarcoat.
Speaker 5: The whole thing is.
Speaker 6: I watched it go kept thinking they're going to figure
Speaker 6: this thing out, this is going to this is going
Speaker 6: to happen, They're going to be Okay.
Speaker 5: The last time we saw you was Cleveland, right and
Speaker 5: that which was terrible. It was terrible.
Speaker 6: But you remember that was right after the Monday Night
Speaker 6: or where where Trevor got rolled up and we weren't
Speaker 6: sure he was going to play and he came out
Speaker 6: and played. Look, two seasons in a row in the
Speaker 6: AFC South, the division title was locked up at mid season,
Speaker 6: and neither one of those teams won the Division Tennessee
Speaker 6: the year before you reeled them in.
Speaker 5: Last year it was you. Houston comes in.
Speaker 6: I think it's fixable because I think the culture that
Speaker 6: Doug Peterson sets.
Speaker 5: Up is fine.
Speaker 6: I mean this, This is not other cultures that may
Speaker 6: exist around the league, where once you collapse like that,
Speaker 6: there's no coming back.
Speaker 5: I don't see that at all.
Speaker 6: And I think he and Trent Balky make the key
Speaker 6: the key decisions that have to be made in order
Speaker 6: to improve this team. And I expect him to fight
Speaker 6: it out again this year. But I think the competition's
Speaker 6: gone up because I think Indianapolis it's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 5: I really do. I think that they're going to.
Speaker 6: Be an issue depending on Anthony richardson where they go.
Speaker 6: We already know where Houston is. They found themselves, but
Speaker 6: Bucky can tell you better than any one. Young teams
Speaker 6: that play ignorant the first year out the second year
Speaker 6: also they know what they can lose.
Speaker 5: It's a different deal. I can't wait to see how
Speaker 5: Houston handles expectation. Last year was just like.
Speaker 6: I want to see how they handled the expectations going
Speaker 6: in Tennessee.
Speaker 5: We know is hitting the.
Speaker 2: Reset, But so think about expectations, the expectations around Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Everyone was expecting a major jump coming off that playoff performance.
Speaker 3: Could he be a top five quarterback?
Speaker 2: When you look at Trevor, because you've been around the league,
Speaker 2: you've seen other quarterbacks, how do you kind of slot
Speaker 2: him in the equation with the other elite quarterbacks are
Speaker 2: I'm the league.
Speaker 5: I haven't put it.
Speaker 6: I can't put him in elite yet, but the elite potential,
Speaker 6: it's all right there.
Speaker 5: Everything that we see is right there.
Speaker 6: Just what you talked about Bucky, the how he can't
Speaker 6: bounce back in the playoff game even before, how he
Speaker 6: played down the stretch. The Kansas City game encapsulated everything
Speaker 6: for me last sure, and it was early, but it.
Speaker 5: Encapsulated it all.
Speaker 6: Some brilliant plays, But what it is is Jerry Glamville
Speaker 6: used to say all the time, you know, you run
Speaker 6: the football to set it tone, but when it's time
Speaker 6: to ring that bell, you gotta be able to throw it.
Speaker 6: And inside the red zone, they couldn't ring the bell
Speaker 6: against Kansas City. And Trevor made two bad throws. And
Speaker 6: when I say bad, throws the air mailed them. Right
Speaker 6: receiver had a chance air meltal. Those are throws of
Speaker 6: the elite quarterbacks don't miss. And I think one day
Speaker 6: we'll be talking about Trevor Lawrence not missing those throws
Speaker 6: and we'll be talking about being an elite quarterback.
Speaker 1: Charles Davis with us here on Jags AM from the
Speaker 1: Indiana Convention Center at the NFL Scouting Combine. So now
Speaker 1: moving ahead, Jaguars have the seventeenth pick. We've talked throughout
Speaker 1: the off season.
Speaker 3: Card.
Speaker 6: That's a lot of notes because I was up last
Speaker 6: night to him thinking about the thing.
Speaker 1: Those all your Jaguar notes.
Speaker 6: No, no, these are multiple, multiple teams and multiple situations
Speaker 6: in the home because because you know that this is
Speaker 6: like when like cards like that, like when like oh,
Speaker 6: believe me he does don't don't, don't act like he does.
Speaker 5: But like Winnie the Pooh something bear of little brain.
Speaker 6: So I've had to make sure I put this all
Speaker 6: down so I got a chance.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I mean, so moving ahead for the Jags,
Speaker 1: right corner back, they got a new defensive coordinator coming in.
Speaker 1: They couldn't stop to run the second half of the season,
Speaker 1: so defensive line, especially the interior, might be something to
Speaker 1: look at, but you got to protect the quarterback at
Speaker 1: some point two in the interior.
Speaker 5: So you know, right now, where are you listen?
Speaker 6: Offensive tackles a loaded position. I mean, I think you
Speaker 6: can get a really good one down at seventeen. So
Speaker 6: if that's where you want to go, depending on where
Speaker 6: the teams go, because we're gonna have a run on
Speaker 6: quarterbacks early and it wouldn't be surprised, It would not
Speaker 6: surprise me at all that some of these quarterbacks get
Speaker 6: pushed up and create a second.
Speaker 5: Run that we're going to have.
Speaker 6: Right, So if you have that, that eats up spots
Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden, what if the big.
Speaker 5: Kid at Oregon State around.
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: What if he's still available sitting there at that point?
Speaker 6: You know, what's the kid at Penn State?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: So, so you know, it's just so many different names
Speaker 6: that you're gonna go with. JC Latham, I love Autabama.
Speaker 6: I feel like he's a right tackle. So if you're
Speaker 6: thinking about true left tackle, that that might be an
Speaker 6: interesting thing. If you're think about listen, I just sat
Speaker 6: with Byron Murphy from Texas. If you're talking about interior
Speaker 6: defensive lineman. Yes, that's a whole lot of man right there.
Speaker 5: There's no question.
Speaker 6: And at corner. I don't know he's gonna make it
Speaker 6: down to you, but he might.
Speaker 5: Rigstraw, Oh, Missouri.
Speaker 6: The reason I say that is because in your division
Speaker 6: there's a running back in Indianapolis. Are going to try
Speaker 6: and get going again, Houston. Actually you got defensive head
Speaker 6: minded head coach. He'd like to run the ball a
Speaker 6: little bit more. And they started to do that, trying
Speaker 6: to emerge who it was. Damian Pierce had a bad year,
Speaker 6: but they jumped that back up again because Devin Singletary
Speaker 6: played really well in Tennessee.
Speaker 5: With Brian Callahan.
Speaker 6: I don't rule that out because if they do find
Speaker 6: a way to resign, Derrick Henry as a good starting
Speaker 6: blot from because he's gonna have a young quarterback.
Speaker 5: But Rakestraw will tackle out at the corner.
Speaker 6: So I know we're talking about Terry and Arnold, right,
Speaker 6: we're talking about Nate Wiggins hit Clemson. All that, you'll
Speaker 6: have an opportunity for an elite corner.
Speaker 5: I think if you want one at seventeen.
Speaker 1: That's the way you went, Bucky on your latest mock
Speaker 1: one of seventeen mocks, you're.
Speaker 5: Gonna which one did you? Who'd you have in Nate Wiggins?
Speaker 2: And part of that is because Ryan Nielsen coming in
Speaker 2: Christy Sharp, the way they want to play on the perimeter,
Speaker 2: a lot of press coverage doing those things. But you
Speaker 2: had a chance to see someone that is of interest
Speaker 2: Quinnon Mitchell, Yeah, from Toledo. You had a chance to
Speaker 2: see him down at the Senior Bowl. What can you
Speaker 2: tell us about this small school standout?
Speaker 6: This kid, to me, has a plan when he lines
Speaker 6: up to play. He's one of those side saddle guys, right,
Speaker 6: meaning he wants to be able to look back into
Speaker 6: your what your offense is doing. So he wants to
Speaker 6: be on the outside of the receiver and kind of
Speaker 6: catch you at break points and then go get you.
Speaker 6: A week at the Senior Bowl, I thought that, you know, really,
Speaker 6: I thought he lost like one major route. And by
Speaker 6: the way, it's a five yard game. It was against
Speaker 6: Roman Wilson, and Roman threw about eight moves in including
Speaker 6: the last one, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: you're like, okay, five yards, I'll give that up. For
Speaker 6: the most part, he competes for anything downfield.
Speaker 5: The year before it was a major ball hawk. He
Speaker 5: took the ball away.
Speaker 6: Didn't get as many opportunities last year, but he still
Speaker 6: had almost the same number of passes broken up. I
Speaker 6: think he's a legit item. I was really impressed by
Speaker 6: what I saw. And if somehow that's the guy, I
Speaker 6: don't see any reason why he you know, that wouldn't
Speaker 6: be a good pick for you.
Speaker 1: All right, Charles's final thoughts with you here. What's the
Speaker 1: rest of your week looking like?
Speaker 6: Here in Indye hanging out with Bucky here, because because
Speaker 6: we're both about to get ready to go to work
Speaker 6: for NFL Network on the draft stuff Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
Speaker 6: you know, check your local TV list things like we
Speaker 6: used to say, and I'll be doing that. But the
Speaker 6: truth of the matter is I'm still playing catch up,
Speaker 6: you know, and trying to learn all these kids and
Speaker 6: learn all these prospects. And this is valuable for people
Speaker 6: like me, like guys who do it year round, they
Speaker 6: should be in pretty good shape.
Speaker 5: And this is it's not finishing school.
Speaker 6: But you know what I'm saying, right, hockey for me,
Speaker 6: this is like the first day of school, okay, And
Speaker 6: so it's it's a lot of fun. I've done work,
Speaker 6: don't get me wrong, but at the same time, and
Speaker 6: I get to see them move and do all the
Speaker 6: other things. So that's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: And I'll be spending a lot of time on the field,
Speaker 6: which really really is fun for me. It keeps me
Speaker 6: involved and I'm right around these kids and I get
Speaker 6: to kind of do.
Speaker 5: You measure a little bit?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that's sort of a sort of a deal.
Speaker 6: We were in New Orleans and there was a quarterback
Speaker 6: that we liked, and both of us were walking in
Speaker 6: the field and we made sure we got next to
Speaker 6: them so we can kind of measure them them up,
Speaker 6: size them up.
Speaker 5: That's what you get to do here at the Combine.
Speaker 1: You're the best, Charles.
Speaker 5: Thanks, I'm so great to see you guys. Continue success.
Speaker 6: I'll be up to bout you during training camp, maybe
Speaker 6: even before, and I hope we get some more games.
Speaker 1: Funny ahead that Charles Davis, We're back with more in
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Speaker 1: thanks to Charles Davis, John Ozier, Bucky Brooks with us
Speaker 1: here on Radio Row. Trent Balke and Doug Peterson joined
Speaker 1: us at the table here yesterday and we asked them
Speaker 1: both about the days following the season, the meetings, and
Speaker 1: how they found a path forward.
Speaker 7: The biggest thing, too, is just talking to players, and
Speaker 7: we had really good, good conversations with players at the
Speaker 7: end of the year. You know, just how can we
Speaker 7: as a staff help them and do and do better?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: And and you know, so that's kind of where it
Speaker 7: starts for me, That's where it starts, and really with
Speaker 7: the players and making sure that that I'm doing and
Speaker 7: the staff is doing everything in our power to make
Speaker 7: sure that they have the best available to them on
Speaker 7: the football field, can execute and we can execute at
Speaker 7: a high level, because obviously the last month we.
Speaker 3: Didn't do that.
Speaker 8: When you end up the way we did that, there's
Speaker 8: the wise and the first thing you have to do
Speaker 8: is answer those questions, what are the wise?
Speaker 3: How do we end up there? And I think we
Speaker 3: did that.
Speaker 8: We assessed it, and if we do that and we
Speaker 8: make the changes that we feel we need to make,
Speaker 8: we're going to be looking back and saying this was
Speaker 8: a good process that we went through. This organization maybe
Speaker 8: needed to go through this to get to where we
Speaker 8: ultimately want to go. Nobody likes to lose, nobody likes
Speaker 8: to be out of the playoffs, but really, at the
Speaker 8: end of the day, there's only one team standing that's
Speaker 8: happy with how their season ended.
Speaker 3: We obviously weren't happy.
Speaker 8: We got together, we sat down, we talked it through,
Speaker 8: we made it a plan along with the rest of
Speaker 8: the stabs, both personnel and coaching, and now it's time
Speaker 8: to execute it.
Speaker 1: That, of course, was yesterday Trim Balke and Doug Peterson.
Speaker 1: The full conversation with both here at the table available
Speaker 1: now on Jaguars dot com, and those are take us
Speaker 1: through some of those. I don't know how many of
Speaker 1: those kind of conversations after a season you might have
Speaker 1: been involved with in a scouting capacity, but those are
Speaker 1: not fun, but they have to be had.
Speaker 2: It's an important reset, right, Yeah, It's an important reset
Speaker 2: because what you want to do is you want to
Speaker 2: tell the truth, you want.
Speaker 3: To honestly assess where your team is.
Speaker 2: And it's one thing to be hopeful and optimistic about
Speaker 2: what the team is going to accomplish, but after the season,
Speaker 2: you saw exactly what the team was and you have
Speaker 2: to evaluate the team for as it was.
Speaker 5: It's a nine and eight team. Where can we get better?
Speaker 2: What is the personnel actually like From an ego standpoint,
Speaker 2: do we need to give our draftees more opportunities or
Speaker 2: do we need to move on from some of the
Speaker 2: guys that have underperformed. All of those things have to
Speaker 2: be included in the conversation, and you want to put
Speaker 2: the best plan together that allows you to get back
Speaker 2: and to look be a better team than they were
Speaker 2: last year. And sometimes it takes having to those hard
Speaker 2: conversations and making tough decisions in the offseason about who
Speaker 2: remains on the Jaguars who's not.
Speaker 1: You'll think that some of those began though, as the
Speaker 1: season was starting to wind. Now, they don't just magically start, no,
Speaker 1: you know, January.
Speaker 4: Eighth, But the tone changes, right, Yeah, you sort of
Speaker 4: stop hoping a guy is going to get better in
Speaker 4: the last few weeks, and then you say, okay, well,
Speaker 4: he's not or we know now we have to move
Speaker 4: on from this veteran. Do we like this rookie's coming
Speaker 4: up behind him? So this these last six seven weeks
Speaker 4: always fascinate me because you wind up at the combine.
Speaker 4: Now everybody it's the cliche, and everybody really is O
Speaker 4: and O again, everybody really has hope. To me, I
Speaker 4: liked what Doug and Trent said here yesterday, you know,
Speaker 4: but now they have to go execute it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have to go execute it.
Speaker 2: And it's really important given all of the fodder that
Speaker 2: existed in Jacksonville about the two being kind of like
Speaker 2: having an acrimonious relationship or whatever. Can they get on
Speaker 2: the same page and can they make decisions that are
Speaker 2: in the best entries of the team and not individual agendas,
Speaker 2: And so whether it's free agency, draft picks or whatever,
Speaker 2: everything has to be done with what is best for
Speaker 2: the Jaguars in mind, and that requires taking an honest
Speaker 2: assessment of the team and where they need to make
Speaker 2: improvements to get this team to where we know they
Speaker 2: want to go.
Speaker 1: We've got plenty ahead. We'll take a time out back
Speaker 1: in a moment. We'll hear from Daniel Jeremiah fard of him.
Speaker 3: Oh DJ, he joined the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yes, move the sticks pod right, should be fun. Back
Speaker 1: in a moment. We'll hear from him, and then we've
Speaker 1: got time a little later fanatics fan questions, Oh, we
Speaker 1: put out the cat signal and we've come up with
Speaker 1: some good ones.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 1: We'll see if we can match that with good answers
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Speaker 3: The receiver group. We can say this every year is loaded.
Speaker 9: I have twelve in my top fifty which I posted
Speaker 9: to the day that the record is eleven receivers going
Speaker 9: in the top fifty. That happened twice. One of those
Speaker 9: years was nineteen ninety four and the eleventh receiver.
Speaker 3: Was Bucky Brooks. How about that. That's a little nugget
Speaker 3: for you. Wow.
Speaker 9: So I think there's a chance that could go down
Speaker 9: this year. I think we could see that many receivers.
Speaker 9: It is stacked wide receivers, deep tackles, deep offensive tackles,
Speaker 9: deep corner. Has a good amount of depth there. It's
Speaker 9: an interesting kind of hero zero draft this year.
Speaker 1: Welcome back as Shags A m from the Indiana Convention Center, Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: JP Shadwick, John Oser, and Bucky Brooks. That was Daniel Jeremiah,
Speaker 1: NFL Network Draft analyst and the full conversation available now
Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com. Eleventh receiver that year.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, eleventh receiver and based on the way to
Speaker 2: career played that I probably shouldn't have been eleven, Like
Speaker 2: I had to go and play deepense.
Speaker 5: So I don't even really count.
Speaker 2: But versatility, the versatility, But I think it's a great
Speaker 2: point what we're seeing, and it's been talked about on
Speaker 2: other platforms and other mediums. This is the byproduct of
Speaker 2: what we call seven on seven culture. These kids are
Speaker 2: being exposed to the passing game earlier. They're having more
Speaker 2: reps and more opportunities to catch the ball and do
Speaker 2: things where they master the passing game.
Speaker 3: And so it's not a surprise that.
Speaker 5: Each and every year we see a very deep.
Speaker 2: And talented collection of pass catchers make their way to
Speaker 2: the league. It's really hopeful because if you're the Jaguars,
Speaker 2: you don't have to expend the first round pick to
Speaker 2: get a quality wide receiver. Second third round, there would
Speaker 2: be people that are available that can come in and contribute.
Speaker 5: And so it's a position that you always can keep.
Speaker 2: An eye on because you can't find contributors outside of
Speaker 2: the first round.
Speaker 4: Okay, conceptually, Bucky, does that turn it in terms of
Speaker 4: the draft long term? Does that make it sort of
Speaker 4: like running back where unless you're special special that it
Speaker 4: drives there? It should drives it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should because we talk about some line demand.
Speaker 2: If you're having so many talented players that are so
Speaker 2: closely graded, it should allow you to go elsewhere for
Speaker 2: a position that has a shallower pool to then come
Speaker 2: back in and get it in.
Speaker 3: When you look at guys like.
Speaker 2: Puka Nakula, fifth round pick that comes out of nowhere
Speaker 2: and plays at a high level, you think about our
Speaker 2: nemesis in our division, Tankdale and what he was able
Speaker 2: to do immediately for the Houston Texans, And the list
Speaker 2: goes on and on about these receivers that were taken
Speaker 2: outside of the first round that popped immediately. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: certainly can find receiver outside of the first round that
Speaker 2: can come in and be a big time player.
Speaker 1: Where are you We've talked a little bit with Charles
Speaker 1: about this, but you know, cornerback in this defense, you know,
Speaker 1: is it the highest priority? Where would you rank the
Speaker 1: priorities of need right now.
Speaker 2: For the Jags, I'm always going to op for somewhere
Speaker 2: up somebody up front over as opposed to somebody in
Speaker 2: the back end, particularly a defensive tackle, because it depending
Speaker 2: on how they decide to play. Trayvon Walker ultimately determines
Speaker 2: is her edge play player is a guy that moves
Speaker 2: inside as a tweener. Do you need another pass rusher
Speaker 2: on nickel downs when it's obvious passing situations. A lot
Speaker 2: of that will be determined those conversations they have with
Speaker 2: Ryan Nilsen what division of the defense is in terms
Speaker 2: of the cornerback position. You can get some guys outside
Speaker 2: of the first round that can do it, but I
Speaker 2: would say the pool that cornerback is deeper than.
Speaker 3: The pool at edge rusher.
Speaker 2: And so if edge rusher is a priority, like we
Speaker 2: think it always is, you got to invest in the
Speaker 2: edge rusher or the defensive tackle early, come back and
Speaker 2: get the corner later.
Speaker 4: And then what do you do interior your offensive line?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's always hard because you wish you had
Speaker 4: three picks in the top twenty instead of one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would say this, there's some guys that
Speaker 2: are intriguing. The conversation revolves around guard and center. There's
Speaker 2: been a lot of conversation about center. It's a really
Speaker 2: solid center class the guys that you can get, but
Speaker 2: also with the offensive guards. You can get those guys.
Speaker 2: But you have to remember we're at a time there
Speaker 2: where all of these guys are like swing players, meaning
Speaker 2: they can play multiple spots. For instance, there's a guy
Speaker 2: from Duke coming out grand Board who's a outstanding player,
Speaker 2: but he's a tackle, but he also has center experience,
Speaker 2: and so trying to find guys that can do multiple things.
Speaker 3: That might be the way to go because you start a.
Speaker 2: House side kee comm inside try and find a place
Speaker 2: for them to be able to put your best five
Speaker 2: on the field.
Speaker 4: At the same time, Award Mighty used to say, the
Speaker 4: kids always should learn how to snap, because you gotta have.
Speaker 2: Everybody needs to learn how to snap. Everybody, Hey, everybody snap.
Speaker 2: You should be snapping right now during breaks.
Speaker 1: We got a minute and a half. I'll learn in
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Speaker 10: You know that's an aygoing discussion that we're having with
Speaker 10: his agent. In fact, later today I'm gonna have another
Speaker 10: meeting with him as well, So just ongoing.
Speaker 3: I don't want to speculate on that.
Speaker 8: Let's just you know, we got a week, a little
Speaker 8: over a week to work with here. We're gonna work
Speaker 8: diligently with his agent to try to come to a resolution.
Speaker 3: On this thing.
Speaker 10: So that's that's where our focus is right now.
Speaker 1: Strip Balky of course at the podium yesterday. The full
Speaker 1: podium access available at tag wars dot com for both
Speaker 1: he and Doug Peterson. Welcome back. It's jags am k P.
Speaker 1: Shabrick on oser Bucky Brooks Our thanks to Charles Davis.
Speaker 1: That was obviously with the Josh Allen negotiations ongoing, and
Speaker 1: that was yesterday. Apparently meetings yesterday with the representation. The
Speaker 1: same idea for Calvin Ridley. Bulky said that they met
Speaker 1: with Ridley one on one in the office last week,
Speaker 1: so that conversation is ongoing, and said don't worry about
Speaker 1: the draft picks off as much. They want to get
Speaker 1: the player. Yeah, and no matter what that takes. Okay.
Speaker 4: Also supposed to meet with Ezra Cleveland's people at some
Speaker 4: point this week as well. So that's going on.
Speaker 1: A lot happened that time of year. And then what
Speaker 1: March fifth is the deadline for the franchise tag book
Speaker 1: He the second part of that answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there are a lot of things that you're
Speaker 2: trying to juggle. The one thing that everyone needs to
Speaker 2: be aware of and this bowls well for the players
Speaker 2: and wells as a team. The salary cap going up.
Speaker 2: Surprising number goes up by thirty million dollars, and so
Speaker 2: that opens up opportunities to do some things. So, for instance,
Speaker 2: we kind of thought that maybe Cam Robinson would be
Speaker 2: gone when now the cap goes up, that conversation has
Speaker 2: kind of shifted a little bit, which helps the team
Speaker 2: in terms of that having the harmony, the continuity on
Speaker 2: the offensive line. The number going up also helps when
Speaker 2: it comes to trying to fit in a bigger contract
Speaker 2: with Josh Allen and maybe Calvin Ridley. How does it go?
Speaker 2: You have to be optimistic if these things are going
Speaker 2: to shift. The Calvin Ridley conversation changes though, because t
Speaker 2: Higgins sign into franchise Tag, what's Nail available on the
Speaker 2: free agent market?
Speaker 3: Say what you want about him?
Speaker 2: He now becomes a more and more key free agent,
Speaker 2: and so that could be that could cost a few
Speaker 2: more coins to retain a service.
Speaker 4: Yeah, can let him go all of a sudden, You're
Speaker 4: trying to replace eight touchdowns in a thousand yards.
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 4: Like that eight touchdowns one thousand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Who doesn't. Time now for the Fanatics
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Speaker 1: best we've come up with at climber Yoda two five
Speaker 1: eight eight nine. What are the chances of bringing to
Speaker 1: Neil Hunter and keeping Josh Allen as well? Seeing a
Speaker 1: few reports that link us to Hunter.
Speaker 2: Look, that would be great, but you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: give up something to get him. But it would be
Speaker 2: fantastic to be able to pair Josh Allen with Daniel
Speaker 2: Hunter and to have Trademon Walker, because to win at
Speaker 2: the highest level you need to have three pass rushes,
Speaker 2: two outside, one inside. That would allow you to kick
Speaker 2: Trademon Walking inside on some of those special downs.
Speaker 3: I would like it but now can you pull it off?
Speaker 3: That would be the bigger thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been rumored for a long time. With rumors
Speaker 4: like that, I tend to take a let's see if
Speaker 4: it actually happens, because you can get lost in a
Speaker 4: million of these things. Would it makes sense?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 4: But like Bucky said, can they pull it off with?
Speaker 4: You know, do you want to give up the equity
Speaker 4: either cap equity or if it takes trade. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know either. Next question at No Hobby two,
Speaker 1: why are they so defensive of the offensive line?
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you this from first back, I said
Speaker 4: answers all the time. There's no gain to not talking
Speaker 4: positively about the guys in media availabilitiest media availability situation.
Speaker 4: And you can say what you want, Okay, you've got
Speaker 4: to replace the center, you got to replace this guard. Well,
Speaker 4: then if you get to the draft and you don't
Speaker 4: like what you're trying to replace and it doesn't quite
Speaker 4: work out, well, then you criticize something for no reason.
Speaker 4: So they know that there's spots, Doug said yesterday, there's
Speaker 4: places where Luke Fordner's got to get better. There's places
Speaker 4: where every being alfason. It's got to get better. But
Speaker 4: you defend in this situation because as a coach in
Speaker 4: a GM, there's no reason not to.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he doesn't want to put throw his guys under
Speaker 2: the bus, regardless of what those internal discussions have been,
Speaker 2: he TRIMBALKI the players, I mean the coaching staff and
Speaker 2: the personnel staff, they understand where they have to go,
Speaker 2: but it's not for public consumption.
Speaker 3: That's why you don't want to do it.
Speaker 2: Because if you pus them out there and then they're
Speaker 2: unable to pull off the plan that they have in place, well,
Speaker 2: now you've got to play a disgruntaled player, a player
Speaker 2: who doesn't have the confidence of the coaches.
Speaker 3: He knows that it just makes it for a more
Speaker 3: difficult thing.
Speaker 2: It is better to just put the positive spin on
Speaker 2: it and to tack that situation later.
Speaker 4: But you can tell from the way they've talked they
Speaker 4: know the line needs to get better. It's not like
Speaker 4: they're sticking their head in the sand on it. But
Speaker 4: there's a certain way that you talk about these things
Speaker 4: when you talk about it in this time of year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let was talk yesterday that you know, the line
Speaker 1: that they thought would be the starting line played one
Speaker 1: game together. Yeah, last year, the continuity mattered a lot,
Speaker 1: or lack of it for the lack of success up there.
Speaker 5: I mean, you certainly had a big impact on you.
Speaker 2: Just the best offensive lines play together the snap at
Speaker 2: the snap at the snap, and we just didn't see
Speaker 2: that level of consistency last year.
Speaker 4: One the Doug's point, especially on the left side, he didn't,
Speaker 4: So that's what really destroyed that that side of the
Speaker 4: line for that season. Doug talked about that all.
Speaker 1: Game final question at jbsnsley. How will Peterson evaluate the
Speaker 1: offensive play calling and make a decision moving ahead? What
Speaker 1: does that process entail?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you go through the entire offseason,
Speaker 2: You go back, you've looked at all the games, You
Speaker 2: continue to let Press work at it, You do all
Speaker 2: the things, you get into preseason maybe preseason games, and kind.
Speaker 3: Of go through the process and see how it's going.
Speaker 3: He'll know when.
Speaker 5: He needs to make that decision whether he needs.
Speaker 2: To jump in or if he can trust Press to
Speaker 2: continue to go with it. I think it's an ongoing
Speaker 2: development that we have to monitor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that we'll know the exact process
Speaker 4: because for Doug, a lot of it maybe feel meaning, Hey,
Speaker 4: I like what I like what's going on. Defensively, I
Speaker 4: like how this game situation got handled last year with
Speaker 4: a chance to reflect, maybe he does feel more comfortable
Speaker 4: about what Charles and Bucky were talking about. Hey, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna let Press do it. But then there's gonna be
Speaker 4: situations where there's a means where I can come in
Speaker 4: and take over. So I think the process is just study, evaluation, conversations.
Speaker 1: You have it, fanatics, fan questions are in that'll dole
Speaker 1: bit for our show today, We've got Jack's Happy Hour Thursday,
Speaker 1: four o'clock on tenchin xl AM and the Jaguars YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Pete Priscoe will join us at the start of the show,
Speaker 1: and doctor Kevin Kaplan from Jacksonville, Wor's Beef Institute, the
Speaker 1: Jaguars team physician scheduled to join us as well to
Speaker 1: talk through all the combine medical checks and things bay
Speaker 1: for the medical A fun conversation. Busy day ahead. We'll
Speaker 1: have interviews coming up later throughout the afternoon on Jaguars
Speaker 1: dot Com and Bucky Enjoy your palace.
Speaker 2: I will, I will enjoy. Hopefully I get a chance
Speaker 2: to see you guys. We can hang out. I know
Speaker 2: John has the credit cards, so we make sure we
Speaker 2: run to Pila ring the bell.
Speaker 1: We will do that. That's John Oser, Bucky Brooks. I'm
Speaker 1: JP Shatrick. Thanks to our entire crew here in Indy
Speaker 1: and back in Jacksonville, and thanks to you for watching
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