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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret histories and little loan facts

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Speaker 1: behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more. We

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Speaker 1: are your captains of comprehension. My name is Jordan run

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Speaker 1: Tug and I'm Alex. A good one, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll get that one. Thank you. Thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: us for part two of our trilogy, detailing the making

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Speaker 1: of my beloved Titanic, which recently turned twenty five years old.

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Speaker 1: Our previous episode covered the film's lengthy pre production, in

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Speaker 1: which James Cameron dove two and a half miles beneath

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Speaker 1: the North Atlantic the film the Wreck of the Great Ship,

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Speaker 1: and also assembled his cast, which, in the case of

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Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio, took some serious convincing. Today we're gonna discuss

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Speaker 1: basically everything you saw on the first VHS of the

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Speaker 1: original nineties release. Real ones know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: Basically everything up to the moment the ship hits the berg.

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Speaker 1: We'll go deep. Huh. We'll go deep on James Cameron's

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Speaker 1: insane mission to essentially reconstruct an almost full sized replica

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Speaker 1: of the ship, which he could then sink over and over,

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Speaker 1: costing upwards of two hundred million dollars, and the sanity

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Speaker 1: of the hundreds of people on his crew as a

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Speaker 1: mega Titanic nerds since long before the movie, j c

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Speaker 1: will have my heart forever? What about you, higel? I

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Speaker 1: mean you don't. It's like arguing with the sun, right,

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Speaker 1: Like what are you gonna say about James Cameron, the

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Speaker 1: most money making crazy filmmaker of all time, Like he's

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Speaker 1: like not a fun boss? Like, oh well, he's made

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Speaker 1: like three of the highest grossing movies of all time. Forward,

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Speaker 1: now I guess with with the new Avatar? With another Avatar? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like what do you can do? Fight City Hall? Old

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Speaker 1: man yells at Sun Remember yells at James Cameron. All

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Speaker 1: these people who were like when, like do you follow

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Speaker 1: like the box office prediction number wong? All these people

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Speaker 1: who are like, yeah, you know, Avatar two is going

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Speaker 1: to have this big drop and it's going to drop

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Speaker 1: off and blah blah blah blah blah. And then all

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Speaker 1: these other people come out of the woodwork that are like,

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Speaker 1: don't bet against James Cameron. It's like, no, don't bet

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Speaker 1: against James Cameron. Like why do you feel compelled to

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Speaker 1: defend him? He's he's like on the Mount, He's Mount

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Speaker 1: rushmore of blockbusters, you know. I never feel like he

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Speaker 1: should be more famous than he is considering no, okay,

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Speaker 1: even though maybe this is just a personal thing. I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like he's spoken about in like Spielbergian. He's not.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's so much of that is is him.

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Speaker 1: He's not like a cuddly, twinkly like sentimentalist with a

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Speaker 1: like an arch removed intellectual artiur like Kubrick, he's he's

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Speaker 1: just like he's like Vince Lombardi or like Bobby Knight,

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Speaker 1: you know, like he gets results, but he's unpleasant and

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Speaker 1: I think everyone knows that. But yeah, man, you can't

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Speaker 1: argue with that record. It's like, I don't know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's I I do wonder how much of it comes

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Speaker 1: run in, He's not really thought of as like um,

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Speaker 1: I might be talking out of pocket there. I didn't

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Speaker 1: So every he's just the total I think maybe that's

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Speaker 1: minor revenge that his crew takes on getting these like

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Speaker 1: passive aggressive T shirts made. Like in the last episode

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Speaker 1: about some other passive aggressive T shirts that the Titanic

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Speaker 1: don't really see people being like, Oh, James Cameron's visual

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Speaker 1: just like, no, he just makes incredible blockbuster films. World Builder, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just call him Jake Sully. God, that move would be

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Speaker 1: so much funnier if he had like a screaming south

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Speaker 1: mother for me? That's my pitch for Avatar Avatar five

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Speaker 1: another champion developing ban. All of this is verbally contracted,

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Speaker 1: that idea. Um, well Meglomania side. I feel a real

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Speaker 1: kinship with James Cameron over Titanic. Time travel has always

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Speaker 1: everything you didn't know about James Cameron's Titanic. Well, getting

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Speaker 1: During James Cameron's second dive to the wreck, he had

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Speaker 1: an emotional breakthrough and started to cry. He told journalist

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Speaker 1: Titanic production, that night, I realized that my film was

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Speaker 1: much information after these messages. Now, I'm a big fan

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Speaker 1: of miniature, so I want to give a quick shout

429
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Speaker 1: out to the Digital Domain team and put together the

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Speaker 1: one scale model of the Titanic. It took a crew

431
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Speaker 1: of twenty six people to craft this piece that was

432
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 1: forty five ft long, seventeen ft tall and ten ft wide.

433
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: It was so big that there were actually interior rooms

434
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: that were built and furnished because they would be seen

435
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: when the ship was lit up for night scenes. And

436
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: these rooms were elaborate. And this gets interesting because one

437
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: of the main rooms on the ship, the first Class Lounge,

438
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: which is the room where Rose and her mother have

439
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: tea before Rose has her breakdown and runs off to

440
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: try to jump off the back of the ship. That

441
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: room was deemed too expensive to build as a full

442
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: scale set because it was just way too much elaborate

443
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: wood paneling and stand glass. But the model version, which

444
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: was six inches tall, was so intricate and historically accurate

445
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: that they actually shot Rose and the rest of the

446
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Speaker 1: tea party in a green screen and then digitally composited

447
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: in with the interior shots of this dollhouse sized room,

448
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: which I think is really clever. In addition to building

449
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: a one thirty fifth size model for when the ship

450
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: broke into the digital domain, team also built a one

451
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: twentie scale model of the wreck as well you mentioned earlier,

452
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: and they were really under the gun to make it

453
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: look authentic because James Cameron was gonna be cutting back

454
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: and forth between the model and the actual wreck footage

455
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: multiple times in a given scene, so it had to

456
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: look identical to get that dark underwater effect with the

457
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: lights of the submarines peering through the underwater haze. They

458
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Speaker 1: old the room with a tremendous amount of smoke and

459
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: the effect is remarkable, and they were very proud to

460
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: learn that they fooled James Cameron himself on a few

461
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: of these shots. Interestingly, the model makers for Digital Domain

462
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: worked in the same hangar where Howard Hughes built his

463
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: spruce goose wooden plane which was later flown by Leonardo

464
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: DiCaprio in the Aviator. Well not really, but I'm shocked.

465
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm shocked that Cameron didn't decide to then do that. Um,

466
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: so that is the exteriors, Well what about the interiors? Uh,

467
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Speaker 1: James Cameron, as you may have gleaned from the fact

468
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Speaker 1: that he built nine tenths of the bactual ship in Mexico,

469
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Speaker 1: we're in a bathtub on the beach, and went to

470
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Speaker 1: the real Titanic two and a half miles down thirty

471
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Speaker 1: three times. Uh you he he, He went the extra

472
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: mile on the interiors. Um, the rooms were reproduced as

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Speaker 1: they were originally built, which he said was basically it

474
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: was difficult given the paucity of actual photographs, right, yeah,

475
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: think they were again thirty nine known photos of the

476
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Speaker 1: Titanic interior. So the guy who was tasked with that

477
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: was Peter Lamont, who's a set designer who had overseen

478
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: seventeen James Bond films and had three Oscar nominations. He

479
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: was about to retire when just when I thought I

480
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: was out, Cameron pulled me back in. Um. Cameron pitched

481
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: him this saying it was going to be a mix

482
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Speaker 1: of basically that it would be a mix of set design,

483
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: reverse engineering, and archaeology. Um. So they were basically working

484
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: off of mostly photos of the Titanic sister ship, the Olympic. Uh,

485
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: even visiting places where the fittings for the ship had

486
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: been installed and preserved after the ship was scrapped in

487
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 1: the thirties. Oh, this was cool. Yeah, but they had

488
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: a big auction when the ship was I mean, first

489
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: of all, it's just nuts to me that nobody thought

490
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: to save this glorious old ship in the way that

491
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: like the Queen Mary is now a floating hotel in

492
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Speaker 1: Long Beach in Los Angeles. But yeah, the ship was scrapped,

493
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: I want to say, in nineteen thirty six, and the

494
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Speaker 1: fittings were auctioned off, and like there's pieces of I think,

495
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: like the Grand Staircase in like a paint factory and

496
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: like whales or something and like, uh, and there's a

497
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: hotel called the White Swan hotel and a place called Almwick,

498
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: England that is notable for having uh the first class

499
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: lounge that we just talked about. This has glorious wood.

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00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: Just seeing where Rose and her mom had a tea

501
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: party is now the lounge in this hotel. And I

502
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: think they also have elements of the Grand Staircase, uh

503
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: in this little like it's not a fancy hotel. I

504
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: mean it's like this little almost like Fawlty Tower style,

505
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: like quaint English. Yeah, it's crazy that it has this

506
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: incredible history. So yeah, all over the world there are

507
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: all these elements of Titanic's identical sister just in strange places.

508
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: Production also into a museum in Canada where there was

509
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: a preserved Titanic deck chair, and also the famous piece

510
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: of wreckage that Rose floats on. Everyone calls it a door,

511
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: but it is not a piece of wall paneling from

512
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: above a door. So Cameron built the multi floored Grand

513
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: Staircase for real out of oak and then flooded it,

514
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: destroying it. Eighteen thousand square feet of carpeting used on

515
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: this set were woven by the original suppliers of Titanic's

516
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: carpet b MK Stoddard of England using the original design

517
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: and colors, and since most of the props would have

518
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: to be destroyed during the sinking scenes, they couldn't borrow

519
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: any of this stuff. They had to make everything themselves,

520
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: from thousands of pieces of china to cutlery, uh, silver furniture,

521
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: wall paneling, suitcases, thousands of pieces of props, from ashtrays

522
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: to teacups to forks, all had to be stamped with

523
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: the white star line emblem, even if it was impossible

524
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: for people to see. Um. Cameron decided the chandeliers couldn't

525
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: be cheap imitation crystal made from loose sight because they

526
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't make the proper sounds. Uh when and apparently he

527
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: does not believe in fully art. Oh wait when when

528
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: the ship starts the tilt, you hear the like tinkle

529
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: of the crystal, Like it's it's terrifying. Yeah, you couldn't

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00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: do that on a sound stage. I don't know. I

531
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: mean a lot of sets like not have ceilings at all,

532
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: and he like a ceilings on the set. Yeah. Uh.

533
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: Even the food was authentic for the first class dining

534
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: room sequence where Leo tells the snobs to make everyday count.

535
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: The actors were being served real bluga caviare, which costs

536
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: between thirty two dollars per pound. Actor Jonathan Hyde, who

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00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: played Jay Bruce is May, the managing director of the

538
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: Titanic shipping line, reportedly made the acting decision on the

539
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: spot that his character was a big eater. These sets

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00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: were constructed in any five million gallon tank not far

541
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: from the ship set that we're designed to be flooded.

542
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: Uh And like the Grand Staircase scene, they got one

543
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: shot at it and they would be which would ruin

544
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: a massive bespoke piece of oak. One of the few

545
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: liberties that James Cameron took involved lighting the ship was

546
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: a good deal darker than you actually see it depicted

547
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: on film. Because most public areas were lit by twenty

548
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: five or even fifteen watt bulbs, would have been more

549
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: yellowy or orangey than the brid the blinding white that

550
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: you see in movies were accustomed to. Would have looked

551
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: like a bar in Bushwick lived with Edison bulbs. Um. Yeah,

552
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: the tables in the dining room didn't actually have lamps

553
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: on them. That Cameron needed some kind of organic way

554
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: to light the actors, which was an even bigger problem

555
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: during the sinking scenes, because there was no moon out

556
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: on the night of the sinking, and any other moon

557
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: phase would have given them an excuse to use this

558
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: soft lighting. You'd call it moonlight, but it's really tough

559
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: to create soft, non shadowy illumination that couldn't be mistaken

560
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: for moonlight once the ship actually sank. So Cameron got

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00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: around this by having lots of lit portholes, which made

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00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: a lot of historians pedantically upset. Because the Titanic was

563
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: underbooked un her maiden voyage by people, so not all

564
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: of the portholes depicted in the film would have actually

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00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: been lit. There were extra lights added to the boat

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00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: deck on the set, and the funnels and smokestacks were

567
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: basically flood lit, which would not have been as it

568
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: occurred in true life. So not only was this a freezeing,

569
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: panicking nightmare, uh, it was also dark, very dark. The

570
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: scene when the lifeboats go back looking for bodies and

571
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: they have flashlights, no flashlights, so you're just bumping through

572
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: frozen corpses in the middle of the North Atlantic in

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Speaker 1: the dark. Good Lord, Happy New Year. In the Titanic

574
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: production book that you mentioned earlier, it is said that

575
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: in the pre World War One Gilded Age, the wealthy

576
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: spent more money on clothes than in any period of history,

577
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: which I don't know how they verified that go nuts.

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00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: The costumes for Titanic costs somewhere in the vicinity of

579
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: eight point four million. The film contains one speaking parts

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00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: and over a thousand extras, all of whom would need

581
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: to be dressed in over the top costumes, which would

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00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: then get drenched for part of the movie. Just the

583
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: scene of the ship takes all from Southampton required eight

584
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: thousand separate articles of clothing for one un seen It

585
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: collected over five hundred Derby hats from the US and

586
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: the UK. It took a piece that fact doesn't go anywhere.

587
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get it in there. And it

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00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: took the costume department over a full year to finish

589
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: making the clothes for the cast. In many cases they

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00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: incorporated fabric from vintage garments. Hundreds of nineteen twelve air

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00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: addresses were restored. Uh there's a story that they found

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00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: this beautiful gown that had been locked away in a

593
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: trunk that was barely used except for a big brown

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00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: sauce stain on the front clearly the where ward once

595
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: stained it and then threw it aside, So they covered

596
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: up in an eighty year old sauce stain with beating

597
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: and used it. There's a head beater on the team. Um.

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00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: These outfits would have been seen in color for the

599
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: first time because everything would have been seen in black

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00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: and white, so sometimes they would have The production was

601
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: shocked to see something that was actually bright purple. Um.

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00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: There was a saying in the Titanic costume depart meant

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00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: that there's a soul in every dress, something everyone associated

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00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: with production took very seriously. One fifty of the main

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00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: extras were given the names of real passengers and informed

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00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: of their individual personal histories. This would get even more

607
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: poignant when the sinking occurs. A full time etiquette coach

608
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: was hired to instruct the cast On era appropriate manners

609
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: among the upper class and for the extremely pedantic of

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00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: those among you. Rose's mother actually makes a minor Edwardian

611
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: aerophoe pot when she's having tea. In the scene, all

612
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: the ladies at the table are wearing gloves, and this

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00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: would have never happened, as Edwardian ladies of the era

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00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: would have removed their gloves and placed them in their

615
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: naps under their napkins before eating or drinking so they

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00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: didn't get dirty. Costumes were helpful for the actors to

617
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: get into character, especially as far as women were concerned.

618
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: They literally could not dress themselves without help. Back then,

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Speaker 1: even taking down their hair or removing their corset required

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00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: help from a maid. Getting ready for dinner was an

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00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: hour long process, requiring several sets of hands for the performers.

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00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 1: It was a very literal way of experiencing just how

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00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: claustrophobic and restrictive the era was for women at the time.

624
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: Cameron would later say that the movie pivoted on the

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00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: end of the Awardian age and the death of the

626
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: old overt repression of women and the beginning of a

627
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: more covert repression of women. It's a good quote. Uh.

628
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, respectable women in nineteen rarely wore makeup, and

629
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: certain respect say well yeah, uh, certainly nothing as bold

630
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: as the face that Rose or even what her mother

631
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: wears in the film. Um At the time, red lipstick

632
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: was associated with the Suffragette movement as an radical act

633
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: of feminist rebellion and protest. There's a historian named Madeline Marsh,

634
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: who writes about the era of makeup in her book

635
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: Compacts and Cosmetics, Beauty from Victorian Times to the President.

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00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: She writes, whilst the explicit intention of the suffragists was

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00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: votes for women, the implicit message was that whether they

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00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: were new women cycling in bloomers and since of shoes

639
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: or elegant ladies in big hats and bright lipstick, women

640
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: should be free to choose what they wanted to look

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00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: like and who they wanted to be. All this being said,

642
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: Rose and her mother would have caused a stir if

643
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 1: they had showed up to dinner with a full face

644
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: like they do in the movie. Well, you recall that

645
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: only one side of the full scale Titanic set was built,

646
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: the right or starboard side. So what happened we needed

647
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: to film the other side of the ship? You ask,

648
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: You just flipped the image. This wasn't too tricky most

649
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: of the time, except for that departure scene at the

650
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: docks in Southampton. In real life the Titanic was facing

651
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: the other way or whether poor or left side facing

652
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: the docks. Obviously, James Cameron was a stickler for details,

653
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't be able to live with himself if

654
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: the Titanic parted from the wrong direction on the tok

655
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: uh So in order to have everything looked normal, he

656
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: had to have everything flipped. He just reversed the image.

657
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: So all the text on all the signs, all the logos,

658
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: all the shirts for the crew and their buttons hats

659
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: were still the opposite way. Hair partings were done the

660
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: opposite way. Even Rose's beauty mark was placed on the

661
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: opposite side of her face. As one crew member said,

662
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't dyslexic before starting to shoot, but I am now.

663
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: Everything was done backwards so that when they flipped it

664
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: and post it looked normal. And you know, it's just insane.

665
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: All the stuff they had to consider, going to the wreck,

666
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: rebuilding the ship, shooting it backwards. No step in this

667
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: process did they make this movie easy on themselves. A

668
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: few other cute things about the scene at the dock.

669
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: The guy who plays the pub keeper in the scene

670
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: where Leo and his friend Fabrizio when their tickets in

671
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: the poker game. You know, no, mate, Titanic leaves for

672
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: New York in five minutes and ten minutes of that guy, Um,

673
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: I probably should have watched this before I mean, watched

674
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: it enough times I could do it. But yeah, um

675
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: that guy. He's an actor named Shay Duffin, and he's

676
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: related to one of the Irish workers who built the

677
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: Titanic in real life. So I like that. It's a

678
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: little bit of you know, bloodline lineage there. Uh. And also,

679
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: about twenty three minutes into the movie, when Rose and

680
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: her mother and Cowboy the Titanic in the background, there's

681
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: a third class passenger you see getting his beard checked

682
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: for lice. All the immigrant passengers had to get, you know,

683
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: numerous health checks before they boarded. That is James Cameron.

684
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: He also was a cameo playing a bearded third class passenger.

685
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's the same passenger who passes Jack and

686
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: Fabrizio as they look for their cabin on board. So

687
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: it's a nice little hitchcock e and cameo there. In

688
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: this movie, the Titanic triumphantly heads out to see but

689
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: James Cameron actually emitted a slightly less than triumphant moment

690
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: that occurred in real life. When the Titanic pulled away

691
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 1: from the dock. The ship was so big? How big

692
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: was it? Thank you? It? Well, it was so big

693
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: that the section from its propellers drew in the nearby boats,

694
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: and the mooring lines on one ship actually snapped and

695
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: drifted towards the Titanic, and there was very nearly a collision,

696
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: and the ship was called the New York, which is

697
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: sort of spooky considering the Titanic was headed for New

698
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: York and never made it. So in true with the

699
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: Titanic very nearly had a disastrous send off, which is

700
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: basically the maritime equivalent of a fender bender at the dock.

701
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: But you know, it would have actually delayed the voyage.

702
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: And there's a high possibility that the Titanic wouldn't have

703
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: struck an iceberg, or at very least the iceberg it's struck.

704
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: So if you subscribe the multiverse theory, if this minor

705
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: incident had occurred, people's lives might have been spared. So

706
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: that's an interesting way of looking at it. But anyway,

707
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: this incident would have dragged the action a little too much,

708
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: and Cameron wanted the opening of the Titanic leaving Southampton

709
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: to be this jubilant occasion where the sinking is the

710
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: farthest thing from everyone's mind, because otherwise you wouldn't be

711
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: able to come close to understanding what it felt like

712
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: when everything went wrong. The confidence that passengers, the crew,

713
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: the whole Edwardian age really had in this largest moving

714
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: object ever made you know, this is a thing of pride,

715
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: a thing of joy, and I think that to have

716
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: anything that was anything less than pure jubilance would have distracted.

717
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: For that fact, the opening shot of the ships sailing,

718
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, the tak her to see Mr murdoc Let's

719
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: stretch her legs. That was known as the million dollars shot,

720
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: and not just because that was nearly what it cost

721
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: to do. The producers later said that making the Titanic

722
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: sail in this scene took pretty much every special effects

723
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: trick in the book, plus a few they had to invent.

724
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: They filmed on the massive Titanic set and composited literally

725
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: hundreds of elements, ranging from digital birds, computer generated water, smoke,

726
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: and a waving flag. They had extras waving in an

727
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: empty parking lot green screen. Didn't look like they were

728
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: waving goodbye from the dock. Their emotion captured digital people

729
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: they added to populate the ship, which these days looked

730
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: like the Sims or something. It's not very good wake

731
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: elements were shot off of real ships and manipulated digitally.

732
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: The gigantic background painting of a sky all combined with

733
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: a massive model on a sound stage. This was a

734
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: big deal, a technological marvel to pull off. The movie

735
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: is really a perfect blend of the practical effects and

736
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: the c g I, which really makes me wonder how

737
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: terrible this movie would have looked if James Cameron took

738
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: the Avatar approach and just went full green scrap on everything.

739
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: The departure of the Titanic brings us to one of

740
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: the most immortal lines in this highly quotable movie. Can

741
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: you do it? I can't. I can't, Sam, I can't. Yeah,

742
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: I can't sound that excited. I'm the king of the

743
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: world about nothing. I'm king of the world. I'm king

744
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: of the I'm king of the world. I'm king of

745
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: the camp can of the world. That is what James

746
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: Cameron yelped when he won his oscar, and it's deservedly

747
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: included on the American Film Institute's Top one Movie Quotes

748
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: of All Time list. Shockingly, this line was not in

749
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: the script. Some listicles have said that Leo made it

750
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: up on the spot. James Cameron has said this is

751
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: not the case, and he made it up on the

752
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: set himself. This could be Cameron once again being a

753
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: control freak. But let's be real, that joyous line does

754
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: not on like something Leo would have ever said on

755
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: his own voluntarily. Uh. In fact, like most things involved

756
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: in this production, it took a hell of a lot

757
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: of persuading to get Leonardo DiCaprio to say that line.

758
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: James Cameron was interviewed for the BBC series Movies That

759
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: Made Me when he talked about the genesis of the

760
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: famous line. It was made up on the spot. I

761
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: was in a crane basket and we were losing the light.

762
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: I had tried this, and we had tried that, tried

763
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: this line in that line, and I was just coming

764
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: up snake eyes. In other words, it sucked. And I said,

765
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: all right, I got one for you. Just say I'm

766
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: the King of the world, and just spread your arms

767
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: out wide and just be in the moment and just

768
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: love it and celebrate it and love it. And he goes,

769
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: what they're doing this all over walkie talkie is Cameron's

770
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: up in the basket and Leo's dragging his feet. Just

771
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: say I'm the king of the world, but you gotta

772
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: sell it, and Leo goes, what And I said, just

773
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: sell it, and God bless him. Leo sold it. Uh.

774
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: Titanic has other improvised moments as well, like the scene

775
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: where Jack teaches Rod was to spit, and also when

776
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: Rose spits and Cal's face. Rose was supposed to jab

777
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: Cow with a hairpin, but spitting was much more dramatic. Apparently,

778
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Billy Zane's surprise reaction shot is authentic, and when they

779
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: reshot Kate's close up, they were initially going to have

780
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: her spit egg white so it would show up on

781
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: camera better, but ultimately they had her spit kay Jelly. Yes. Also,

782
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: this is weird. The line that she says in that

783
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: scene is I'd rather be his whore than your wife.

784
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: That's the line that was spoken by Peggy Lipton in

785
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: an episode of Twin Peaks, and bizarrely, or perhaps not bizarrely,

786
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: both Billy Zane and David Warner, who played Cal's valet

787
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: love Joy, these kind of Tody character, both appeared in

788
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: that episode of Twin Peaks as well, So that's very

789
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: interesting to me. Maybe that's something they brought to the

790
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: scene too. Kay wiz Lett had another great ad lib

791
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: as the ship was sinking and she and Leo found

792
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: themselves hanging onto the back of the boat. Jack, this

793
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: is where we first met. She had lived, that where

794
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: they first met all of two days ago. Anyway, that

795
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: was from Kate Winslet. And also apparently the scene where

796
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: Rose seeks out Jack to thank him for saving her

797
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: life and they talk on the deck and uh, just

798
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: kind of shoot the breeze. Really most of that scene

799
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: was ad libbed. That's the one where he teaches her

800
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: how to spit spit. That's where we came in. As

801
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: I continue to get even more granular, I wanted to

802
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: talk about a few other things, namely the various honorifics

803
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: used in conjunction with Titanic. Old Rose says that Titanic

804
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: was called the Ship of dreams. No one, to my

805
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: research at least ever called her that at the time.

806
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: Things get even more tricky when it comes to Titanic's

807
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: reputation as the supposedly unsinkable ship. Obviously, this makes for

808
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: such a great story, a beautiful metaphor for mankind's hubers

809
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: and arrogance in the face of nature, making this ship

810
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: that they believe was unsinkable. But we're people actually going

811
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: around calling her unsinkable, then there is sorta There were

812
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: news articles written around the launch of the Titanic and

813
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: her sister ship, the Olympic, that used the word, but

814
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: always with qualifiers. There was a contemporary article and ship

815
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: builder magazine that called the ships quote practically unsinkable, whereas

816
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: another piece in the New York Times labeled them quote

817
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: almost unsinkable. In modern times, the pendulum was swung too

818
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 1: far in the opposite direction, and people say that nobody

819
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: actually thought the Titanic was unsinkable at the time and

820
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: it was just historical revisionism because it made for a

821
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: better story, But that's not quite accurate. There was definitely

822
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: an implication back in nine twelve that the Titanic was unsinkable.

823
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: A deckhand aboard the ship supposedly delivered the famous line

824
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: to a passenger, which was later said by cal God

825
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: himself cannot sink his ship. And even Captain Smith was

826
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: fond of calling a ship unsinkable. And when the first

827
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: spotty news reports started coming in over the very primitive

828
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: wireless about a problem with Titanic, before they knew that

829
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: it had completely sank. The New York head of the

830
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: White Star Line, Philip Franklin, told the press, there is

831
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: no danger that Titan Q will sink. The boat is unsinkable,

832
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: and nothing but inconvenience will be suffered by the passengers.

833
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: And when he learned the bad news that the ship

834
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: was now sitting at the bottom of the ocean, he

835
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: tearfully told the press, I thought her unsinkable. I based

836
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: my opinion on the best expert advice, and do not

837
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: understand it. But this is all depressing, So let's pick

838
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: it up. Yes, one of the most life affirming scenes

839
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: in the movie. Let's go to a real party the

840
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: dance down in the third class general room with music

841
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: courtesy of the band Gaelic Storm. Do you remember them?

842
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: I know, I mean I do remember this whole boom

843
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: era for like Gaelic music in the in the nineties

844
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: it was like, uh, you know, Lord of the Dance

845
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: Michael Flatley, and I think, yeah, I don't know where

846
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To a lesser extent, drop

847
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: Kick Murphy's flogging Molly, Yeah, I think they were. Drop

848
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: Kick Murphy's formed in like the mid nineties in Boston,

849
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, we had an earlier we had a whole

850
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: whether the drop Kick Murphy's with Michael Flatley, I mean

851
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: be being from outside of Boston, I wasn't sure if

852
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: that was just like the Irish influence in the area,

853
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: but apparently there was made the late nineties of real

854
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: boom time for Irish folk music. Well, sadly no such

855
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: dance ever took place. They were too beaten down. Um.

856
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: In reality, the third class accommodations were segregated by gender,

857
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: so a party like this never would have happened. But

858
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: that dancing scene is such a perfect, total anecdote to

859
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: the boring world of first class. It's a celebration of

860
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: these people embarking off to pursue a new life, putting

861
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: aside their friends and family to go make a fresh

862
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: start of things, which we know how that turned out.

863
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: If you were a male and steerage, you had a

864
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: one intent chance of surviving the sinking of the Titanic.

865
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: Jack and Rose try and dance the polka, which is

866
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: the official state dance of Jack's home state of Wisconsin. Um.

867
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: Friend of the pod the Polka. Um. Leo apparently loved

868
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: Leo apparently loved to tease Kate Winslet about the side

869
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 1: of her feet, which he would refer to his canoes.

870
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: She would, she later said, we would sit on the

871
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: floor and he go, come on, sweetie, foot to foot,

872
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: and I'd put my foot up and he would just

873
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: fall about laughing because my feet are exactly the same

874
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: size as his. Do not tease a woman about her

875
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: shoes her foot size. Share is still haunted by the

876
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: by when she was at this a screening of Moonstruck

877
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: and someone laughed at the size of her foot was

878
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: a size I thought. He was, like, that's a really long,

879
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: thin foot length size semantics. We talked about exactly Tarantina

880
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,959
Speaker 1: can be. We talked about this in the parent Trap

881
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: episode with the little girl with curly hair and the

882
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: scene Cora Jack's Best Girl. She was originally supposed to

883
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: be played by Lindsay Loewen, but James Cameron recast her

884
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: because he was worried that her red hair would confuse

885
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: viewers into mistakenly believing that she was related to Rose

886
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: and her mother. In the beginning of the movie, the

887
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: submarine camera spot a doll face buried in the sand

888
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: in the debris field, which is later revealed to be

889
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: Corp's doll, which is a nice, poignant little touch that

890
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: was based on a real incident. When the man who

891
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: discovered Titanic, doctor Robert Ballard, was in the midst of

892
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: an early dive. It looked out of his porthole to

893
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: see a small porcelain face staring back at him, which

894
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: understandably scared the out of him. Can you imagine being

895
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: at the crushing depths in utter darkness and looking over

896
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: and seeing a doll's face peering out of that at you.

897
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: I would my soul would leave my body. He At

898
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: first he didn't realize it was a doll, which made

899
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: it so much more because they're what They weren't sure

900
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: I'd have a heart attack. How would you do? What

901
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: do you do? You're already enough anxiety cursing through your

902
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: body to power up a small country, and then you

903
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: look over and you see a perfectly white face peering

904
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: at you. Oh my god, I'm gonna at nightmares about

905
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: that because people, wait, I gotta send it to you.

906
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: There's a picture of it. I want your live reactions.

907
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: Oh god, Oh, it's somehow us and I remember well

908
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: before I send this to you. This was one of

909
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: his earliest dives. And I don't think they were sure

910
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: about whether or not there would be bodies down there,

911
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: because it's so deep that you know, it's it's freezing,

912
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: and they're not really like that into dust. Well well no,

913
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: not even that. It doesn't grind the bones in the

914
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: dust because you become pressurized as you sink down there. Um.

915
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: But so they're not sure if they're gonna be perfectly

916
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: preserved or if sea creatures, which tend to be the case,

917
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: would eat the bodies. Uh. And really you only see

918
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: where the bodies fell. The only sign that anything was

919
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: ever there were our two shoes. That's all that remains.

920
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: So now all over in the debris field, you just

921
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: see two pairs of shoes spaced, you know, a foot apart,

922
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: going in opposite directions. Yeah, so he looked out the way.

923
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: He wasn't sure about what the body situation was gonna

924
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: be like, and he looked out and he saw this.

925
00:49:51,920 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh it's really bad. Nope, no no, no, no, no,

926
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: no no, no no. Sleep. Well, we're going to take

927
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: a quick break, but we'll be right back with more

928
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: too much information in just a moment. Let's try and

929
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: pick this back up the famous I'm flying Jack seeing

930
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: at the front of the ship. There we go, there

931
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: we go during the last sunset that the ship would

932
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: ever see. Oh, I did it again. Um, that sunset

933
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: is not, in fact, c g I it was real.

934
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: Cameron said he was always drawn to the bow of

935
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: the ship because that's where the rubber meets the road. Okay,

936
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: jim Uh. He said he based the scene ever so

937
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: lately on a romantic moment that he had on a

938
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: skyscraper New York, but declined to elaborate further. Thank Katherine

939
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: Bigelows from New York. So oh maybe that was Yeah.

940
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: He wanted to rehearse the kiss to such a degree

941
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: that he drew little lips on his hands to demonstrate

942
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: exactly what he wanted out of the two of them,

943
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: who was going to lead Like he described it, his

944
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: choreographing a football play on lips. Um, that's weird over

945
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: under on James Cameron practicing kissing on his own hands. Uh,

946
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: he gets so much worse. He described what he wanted

947
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: to Leo. This is basically the love making scene. If

948
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: there's one woman on the planet left who doesn't want

949
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: to you one Eskimo in the Yukon Who just got

950
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: a TV? She will after this? What a charmer. Obviously,

951
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: there was a short amount of time each day that

952
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: they could get the requisite sunset lighting, and every time

953
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: they tried it it wasn't quite right. Then, on the

954
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: last day of shooting exteriors on the ship set, it

955
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: was cloudy. Everyone was freaking out, trying to make the

956
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: best of their time by shooting on other parts of

957
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: the set, and then suddenly, just before the sunset, the

958
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: clouds parted and sun poked through the entire cruise sprint

959
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: the length of several football fields to the front of

960
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: the set, Kate changing her outfits in a van she's

961
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: being whisked over. She runs to the peak, looks at

962
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: the sunset, turns to Cameron and screams shoot because of

963
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: a mad scrambled. Because of the mad scramble to get there,

964
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: the scene is technically out of focus, but camera nevertheless

965
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: considered it the perfect sunset he had been waiting for,

966
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: and this is the shot that ended up in the movie.

967
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: The camera used to shoot that sequence was recently auctioned

968
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: off by Julian's a few weeks back. I couldn't figure

969
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: out what I went for. I just listened to a

970
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: podcast about Darren Aronowski. Do you you know this scene

971
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: in Requiem when Ellen burst and delivers that incredible monologue

972
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: about like being old and why is she? God? It's crushing.

973
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: It's if you watch it, it goes out of focus

974
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: a little. It's because the cameraman was crying. Whoa is it?

975
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: Like in Google Hunting when Robin Williams is talking about

976
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: like the little intimate moments that he would have his wife. Yeah,

977
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: and he was just ad libbing and the camera starts

978
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: to shake because I was crying. He was laughing. Oh

979
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: oh the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, different reactions. Um. It

980
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: has often been said that in real life passengers were

981
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: not allowed up the front of the ship, which is

982
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: semi true. There were signs posted prohibiting passengers to the

983
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: very front because of all the heavy equipment that was there,

984
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: in addition to the obvious hazard of falling overboard, But

985
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: in real life, first class passenger Helen Candy made her

986
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: way to the bow of the ship on the morning

987
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: of April fourteen to see the last sunrise the ship

988
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: would ever see. Standing at the exact point Jack and

989
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: Rose did is unclear whether or not she had permission

990
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: to do this. She later wrote about it, saying she

991
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: felt the power and beauty of the ship and believed

992
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: that it was stronger than nature itself, maybe even stronger

993
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: than God itself. Then she was called feeling a darkness

994
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: spread over her, as if her sacrilegious thought had cursed

995
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: the ship, transforming it into a haunted ship of ghosts

996
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: who didn't know they were yet dead. Grim Bill Paxton

997
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: later described her as his favorite Titanic passenger. She's Shubrist

998
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: in this. It's incredible. It's like that. It's like that

999
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: tweet that was stolen from a tumbler thing as r

1000
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: I p to everybody killed by the gods for their hubrist.

1001
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: But I'm different, better, maybe even better than the gods.

1002
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how. This certainly adds to

1003
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: the story, but I'm not quite sure how she uh

1004
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: is Helen Churchill candy woman um fractured her ankle getting

1005
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: into the lifeboat, which sooner or later God'll cut you down. Well,

1006
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: everyone knows that kissing leads to being sketch nude on

1007
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: a chaise lounge, So it is time to talk about

1008
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: the draw me like one of your French Girls scene.

1009
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: It's perhaps the most memed moment of the entire movie,

1010
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: which is a very meable movie. Given that it's such

1011
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 1: a famous scene, there's a lot of stories out there about,

1012
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: notably that it was actually one of the first things

1013
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: that Kate and Leo shot together. Of course, we're about

1014
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: to give you much more information on the scene. Many

1015
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: of the set we're behind on construction, and James Cameron

1016
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: was desperate to shoot anything, and the set of Rosa's

1017
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: room was one of the few sets that was complete.

1018
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: It's sweet B fifty two fifty six, one of the

1019
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: famous millionaires suites with a private promenade deck, which would

1020
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: have cost four thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars at

1021
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: the time, or the equivalent of one hundred thirty three

1022
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: thousand dollars today according to inflation counter To put all

1023
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: of this in perspective, this was an error when the

1024
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: average American made five hundred dollars a year. So yes,

1025
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: that sweet that rose has is about ten times the

1026
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 1: annual income for an American in two thousand, five years

1027
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: after the movie Titanic was released, James Cameron dove on

1028
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: Titanic again for a documentary, and he entered the remains

1029
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: of the suite that they had based Rose's room on,

1030
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: and he saw the fireplace with the clock still bolted

1031
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: in place above it, which is pretty powerful. Rose is

1032
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: Sweet was in real life going to be occupied by

1033
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: the American financier JP Morgan, who ran the parent company

1034
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: that owned Titanic shipping line, the White Star Line, but

1035
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: he canceled at the last moment, and the room was

1036
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: thought to be empty at the time of the filming

1037
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: of the Titanic movie, though it was more recently established

1038
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: that J. Bruce is me the managing director of the

1039
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: White Star Line basically upgraded himself, and he's in the

1040
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: Titanic movie. He's the guy, one of the villains of

1041
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: the movie. He has a very snidely whiplash mustache that

1042
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: telegraphs him as a villain. He's the guy who's pressuring

1043
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: the captain to try to go faster. So he's not

1044
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: a very well liked guy in the Titanic story, especially

1045
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: considering that he boarded a lifeboat when the ship that

1046
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: he sort of technically owned was sinking, when so many

1047
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: others died that were on the ship that you know

1048
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: he controlled. So yeah, he's a well loved figure. Um.

1049
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: There's a conspiracy theory about JP Morgan canceling his trip

1050
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: on the Titanic that I'll try to do this roughly

1051
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: off the dome. It's almost all certainly bogus, but it's

1052
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: fascinating anyway. Um. It's a documented fact that there was

1053
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: a coal fire and one of the Titanic's coal bunkers

1054
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: when the ship launched. This was relatively common on ships,

1055
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: but not great to put passengers on a ship where

1056
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 1: there's a fire burning uncontrollably um metal room. But still,

1057
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: there's a theory that JP Morgan canceled because he didn't

1058
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: want to be on board a ship that was technically

1059
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 1: on fire. And according to this half baked theory, which

1060
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: again sounds cool but doesn't really hold up, the crew

1061
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: was speeding across the Atlantic and Ismay was pushing the

1062
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: captain to go faster. And they were speeding across the

1063
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: Atlantic for two reasons. One, they wanted to get to

1064
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: New York early the night before they were expected, so

1065
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: that fire trucks could pull up under the cover of

1066
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: night and they wouldn't be able to be photographed in

1067
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: the dark. And these pictures wouldn't be put in newspapers,

1068
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: and all these rich people wouldn't find out that they

1069
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: had been put aboard or the ship that was technically

1070
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: on fire. Also, in order to fight the fire, the

1071
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: stokers supposedly have been shoveling the burning coal into furnaces

1072
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: to burn the fire away. On the science there, so

1073
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: you've got piles of coal that are going into a

1074
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: boiler that's kind of next to it, and you're shoveling

1075
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: the coal into the boiler. If there's a fire and

1076
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: the coal stands to get set a light in the fire,

1077
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: you want to get rid of the coal as quickly

1078
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: as possible. Again, this is a this is a bad theory,

1079
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: bad theory. But so the theory is the soakers shoveled

1080
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 1: as much coal as possible into these boilers, which would

1081
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: then make the ship go faster. That's what you know.

1082
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: Lighting more boilers makes ships go faster, and that could

1083
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: have been the reason for the speed of the ship

1084
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: as well. They wanted to get to New York sooner,

1085
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: and they were going fast because they would let more

1086
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: boilers to try to burn through this coal so wouldn't

1087
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: catch on fire and the fire would go out uh.

1088
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: In addisition to burning all this extra coal, it also,

1089
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: according to this theory, again meant that the heating system

1090
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: was kicked into overdrive, which meant that passengers open their

1091
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: portholes to let cool err and there were no thermostats

1092
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: on the Titanic was either off or on. So you

1093
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: have this fire which made the ship's owners had full

1094
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: speed into an ice field, and then they hit an iceberg,

1095
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: which meant that as the ship settled lower and lower

1096
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: into the water, water poured into the port holes that

1097
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: were left open because it was so hot the iceberg damage.

1098
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: Although it occurred over a two ft gap, these holes

1099
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: were just a couple of inches wide, and collectively, it's

1100
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: believed that all the holes that sunk the Titanic were

1101
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: collectively only about twelve ft total, so every one of

1102
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: these one or two foot wide open port holes was

1103
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: a big deal. The Titanic would have sunk anyway, but

1104
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: the port holes almost certainly did contribute to the sinking

1105
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: of the ship and the speed that it did. So

1106
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: this theory doesn't hold up to a tremendous amount of scrutiny.

1107
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: And there's a possible chance I'll just cut this whole segment,

1108
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: but there was indeed a coal fire. Is that wild? Yeah?

1109
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: I don't even like that, Not that I don't like

1110
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: any of that. Boarding a ship already on fire, I

1111
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: mean that is true, but it's something that was relatively common.

1112
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: They are all these theories that the fire um weakened

1113
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: the steel. Yeah, I remember hearing that, which doesn't really Yeah, no, cool,

1114
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: few can't melt Titanic teams. There, it is there. It

1115
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: is anyway back to the drawing, having his leads shoot

1116
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: a nude scene in one of their first days on

1117
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: the set is obviously less than ideal, but James Cameron

1118
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 1: said it was good for having this kind of shy

1119
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: energy of young lovers getting naked together for the first time.

1120
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't by any kind of design, although I couldn't

1121
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: have designed it better. There's a nervousness and an energy

1122
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: and hesitance in them. Cameron then added they had rehearsed together,

1123
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: but they hadn't shot anything together. And to break the

1124
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: ice beforehand, Kate apparently flashed Leo and that's a fairly

1125
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: famous story. Apparently it wasn't completely intentional. She told people,

1126
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: I was having my makeup put on with nothing on

1127
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: and there was Leo. He saw me and went whoa.

1128
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: And I said, we're going to spend the whole dy

1129
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: like this, we might as well get it over now,

1130
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: And that broke the ice. I love Kate Winslet. Kit

1131
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: Lea said that she was obviously absolutely nervous for this scene,

1132
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: but she credited her time working with Emma Thompson in

1133
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: Sense and Sensibility with helping her. She said, I'd worked

1134
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: with Emma Thompson, who was a very physically open and

1135
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: relaxed person, and I've seen her due nudity, and you

1136
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: know it was part of the story. And when I

1137
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: love this, When a charmingly nervous Leo is gearing up

1138
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: two sketch Rose, he stammers, lie on that bed, I

1139
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: mean couch. The Lion was scripted lie on that couch.

1140
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: But Leo was actually nervous in real life, and he

1141
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: made a mistake and James Cameron liked it so much

1142
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: that he kept the lying in. That's cute, Yeah it is.

1143
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: It's a rare cute moment with Leo in this movie. Uh. Famously,

1144
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: James Cameron is the one who drew the sketch of

1145
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: Rose wearing the heart of the ocean necklace. Those are

1146
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: his hands in the close up. Kate said an interview

1147
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: with Colbert a few years back that Cameron had her

1148
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: pose in a bathing suit for the sketch and then

1149
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: he elaborated from there. Cameron is left handed, so once

1150
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: again they had to do the whole flip flop tricks

1151
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: so it would come through his righty on the screen

1152
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: like Leo uh. In a rare factual minutia error Jack slash,

1153
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: James Cameron is using a modern square sided press charcoal

1154
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: pencil with numbers embossed on the side of it. In

1155
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: ve Jack would have been using vine charcoal, which was

1156
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: round and made of charcoalized willow twigs. Noah, The original

1157
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: prop sketch sold at auction in eleven for sixteen thousand dollars,

1158
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: which kind of sounds like a steel I think so

1159
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: for fills. Yeah, it's like a key prop for like

1160
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: one of the biggest movies of all time. No make

1161
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: pills are. It belongs in the museum segment for this program,

1162
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: But there are many many duplicates of this drawing, as

1163
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: poor Kate Winslet has learned on a fairly consistent basis.

1164
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: She says that people approach. You're asking her to sign

1165
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: copies of the drawing, and the request makes her unhappy.

1166
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: She says, I don't sign that picture. It feels very uncomfortable.

1167
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: Why would you do that? People asked me to sign

1168
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: that picture a lot. I'm like, no, I didn't mean

1169
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: for it to be a photograph that I would end

1170
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: up seeing seventeen or now twenty five years later. Yeah. Yeah.

1171
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: James Cameron also drew all of the French Girls sketches

1172
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: in the bind through that Jack was carrying with him.

1173
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 1: One of them, a picture of a man's hands around

1174
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: a young woman's torso with his hands on hers, is

1175
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: an exact replica of a photograph by the photographer Sally

1176
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: Man called Rodney Plugger at six o one. Obviously, this

1177
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: is an anachronism that was likely meant as a tribute,

1178
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: but apparently miss Man was not happy, and according to

1179
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: the New York Times Art and Leisure section, the resulting

1180
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: grievance was settled out of court for a substantial sum

1181
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: just weeks before the Academy Awards. Just another bill that

1182
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: was added to the two hundred million dollar price tag.

1183
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: I guess just throw it on the pile James Cameron.

1184
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: He really played fast and loose with the art in

1185
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: this movie. The art that Rose brought a board that

1186
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: she's bringing back from Europe includes water Lilies by Claude

1187
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: Monet and the Demizels did d Avignon by Pablo Picasso.

1188
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: Neither of these were ever actually on the ship. In fact,

1189
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: the Picasso administration decided that it would not authorize the

1190
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: inclusion of Les Demizel's Davignon in the film because, according

1191
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: to the chairperson overseeing the administration, the painting has been

1192
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: on display at the Museum of Modern Art for well

1193
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: over sixty years and certainly did not go down with

1194
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: the ship when the Titanic sank. Then this administrator bought

1195
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: a ticket to see Titanic a few weeks after it

1196
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: opened and was quote surprised to see that James Cameron

1197
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: had put the painting in there any way, and even

1198
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: depicted it being submerged in Rosa's stateroom as the ship sank.

1199
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: The chairperson said, we negotiated a fee after the fact, which,

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01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: as one could imagine, included a substantial penalty. The most

1201
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: famous and arguably important painting that was lost on the

1202
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: ship was called Sara Assassien abonn by Mary Joseph Blondell,

1203
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: and the insurance claim for it was a hundred thousand

1204
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: dollars or two point six million dollars today, making it

1205
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: the most highly valued item lost during the ship's sinking

1206
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: other than you know, human life. Yeah. Uh well, now

1207
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: to come to the other most iconic nudy nude scene

1208
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: in that movie, Car Sacks. Let's talk about Car Sacks.

1209
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk about you and me? Um that you sold

1210
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: the Yes, the iconic sweaty hands sliding down the fogged

1211
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: up window of the Renault town Carve type cbe Koope

1212
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: Deville uh it is seen in the opening doc scene.

1213
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: It did actually exist, belong to a Mr William Carter

1214
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: of Bryn mar p A, the only car on the ship.

1215
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: Carter survived later sought reimbursement from the White Star Line

1216
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: for the value of his newly purchased car, which was

1217
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: five grand or today about a hundred and fifty thousand.

1218
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: It has been a major treasure on the wreck, and

1219
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: there are some pictures on various forums that claim to

1220
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: show a picture of the car's rusted fender. It has

1221
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: not been identified as still down there. Um it's still

1222
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: down there but not been identified. It has not been

1223
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: positively identified as part of the dantics of a pitch.

1224
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: Kate Cameron raised it and keeps it as his very

1225
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: own let say him and Susie amos Saturday nights in

1226
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: the Rusted Car Hulk. So, Kate Winslet has said that

1227
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: when she first met Leo, she thought he was so

1228
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: hot that acting in romantic scenes with him would have

1229
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: just been too awkward. Sure conception of him that he

1230
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: surely thwarted by the whole jacket farting situation. Um, they've

1231
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: been apparently shooting down relationship rumors for the past twenty

1232
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: five years, which I can probably say, you know, we

1233
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: can obviously say they are not together because she is

1234
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: his age. But Kate did have some ground rules for

1235
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: Leo when it him to their kissing scenes. No coffee,

1236
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: no onions, no garlic, and no smoking prior to shooting them.

1237
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: DiCaprio agreed, and then would proceed to do exactly all

1238
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: of those things prior to their shoots on purpose because

1239
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: he was a little ship. There's no doubt contributed to

1240
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: Winslet's affectionate nickname for him on the set, Stinky Leo.

1241
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 1: He would occasionally stick his tongue in her mouth during

1242
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: their kissing scenes just to make her laugh, and when

1243
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: asked about the sex scene in the car with Leo,

1244
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: Kate Winslet said, we just do the most ridiculous things

1245
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: to each other. He'd be tickling me, groping me, winding

1246
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: me up, and I'd be doing the same thing back,

1247
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: sort of grabbing his bum. Yes. I I just read

1248
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: that the ship hits the iceberg soon after this sex scene,

1249
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: and so the handprint was no doubt still on the

1250
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: window when the water started enveloping the car. Oh, I'd

1251
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: like to add something to this place. Informed me there

1252
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: is a ship's cat named Jenny. A lot of ships

1253
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: had cats that try to deal with rampant mice problems.

1254
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that Jenny had kittens very soon before

1255
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: the ship's departure, who were probably among the ship's first victims.

1256
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: There's also a theory I I this is just off

1257
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: the top of my head, and I can't totally confirm it. Actually,

1258
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone can confirm it. That there were

1259
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: some stowaways in the very front of the ship, not

1260
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: far from where the town car was being stored, but

1261
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: then that cargo hold was one of the first places

1262
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: to flood. So um, they probably would have been the

1263
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: first human victims on the Titanic. These stowaways, whose names

1264
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: have been lost to history. Well, I should have kept

1265
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: with the car sex energy there. In the movie Lookouts,

1266
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: Frederick Fleet and Reginald Lee are seen gawking at Rose

1267
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: and Jack from the Crow's nest moments before they spot

1268
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: the iceberg, so it is possible that they were somewhat

1269
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: responsible for this collision. Uh. The ship turns out it

1270
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: only needed to maneuver another ten or fifteen feet, and

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Speaker 1: it would have would have made you want another anacronistic

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Speaker 1: TV refere missed it by that much. Wait get smart?

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Speaker 1: Oh yo wow? Uh, man ten to fifteen feet would

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Speaker 1: have saved fifteen hundred lives, good lord. Uh. True to accuracy,

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Speaker 1: the movie leaves thirty seven seconds between the Crow's nest

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Speaker 1: ringing the bell to warn the bridge and the collision.

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Speaker 1: You you haven't verified this yourself, but there are reportedly

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Speaker 1: two hours and forty minutes of the movie set in

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Speaker 1: nineteen twelve, which is the exact amount of time it

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Speaker 1: took the ship to sink from eleven forty to to

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Speaker 1: twenty am. Most experts agree that if they had just

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Speaker 1: given into the inevitable and rammed the iceberg, head on,

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Speaker 1: the ship would have most likely survived, although hundreds of

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Speaker 1: third class passengers who slept in the cramp quarters at

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Speaker 1: the front of the ship would have been crushed and

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Speaker 1: killed immediately, just like in the film, tons of ice

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Speaker 1: broke off the iceberg and littered the front of the ship,

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Speaker 1: which was the third class area, leading many steerage passengers

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Speaker 1: to come on deck and start playing impromptu games of

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Speaker 1: soccer before where they realized their cabins were beginning to flood.

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Speaker 1: Some first class passengers even took chunks of the iceberg

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Speaker 1: and put it in their drinks. The iceberg itself was

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Speaker 1: c g I, but James Cameron ordered several hundred pound

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Speaker 1: blocks of ice on set to dump onto the deck, which,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned earlier. He then proceeded to pick up

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Speaker 1: an axe and started breaking up himself to get it

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Speaker 1: to look the proper way. In her book Titanic in

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Speaker 1: the Making of James Cameron, Paula Perez you described the scene.

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Speaker 1: Getting over their initial disbelief, the crew followed suit, giving

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Speaker 1: up his axe Cameron stepped back and watched for thirty seconds,

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Speaker 1: and then he just couldn't stand it anymore. He pushed

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Speaker 1: a puny guy aside, taking his axe. It was just

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Speaker 1: too much fun, oh James. And this is the moment

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Speaker 1: most nineties kids know as the end of the first

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Speaker 1: VHS of the movie. The romance portion of Titanic is

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Speaker 1: officially over as Captain Smith learns that his ship will founder. J.

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Speaker 1: Bruce is Me says, a ship can't sink of iron, Sir,

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Speaker 1: I assure you she can. And that's when Captain Smith

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Speaker 1: solemnly addresses J. Bruce is Me, the one who'd been

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Speaker 1: pressuring him to go faster and hopes of arriving to

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Speaker 1: New York early and getting good press, and he delivers

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Speaker 1: that immortal line, I believe you may get your headlines.

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Speaker 1: Mr is May screen goes blank hell of a cliffhanger

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Speaker 1: for an intermission. This feels like a fitting place to

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Speaker 1: leave you all. We will pick back up with the

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Speaker 1: story in Part three of our tm I Titanic Trilogy epic.

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Speaker 1: That's when all hell breaks loose. We'll get into the

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Speaker 1: truly insane stories behind James Cameron's sinking of the Titanic

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Speaker 1: or should I say repeated sinkings, an experience that nearly

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Speaker 1: killed Kate wins Let many times over and cost the

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Speaker 1: sanity of the crew. We will also get into the

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Speaker 1: true life stories of heroism on the real Titanic sinking bus,

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Speaker 1: submiss about the lifeboats and tackle the most enduring controversy

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Speaker 1: associated with the Titanic production? Could Jack have fit on

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Speaker 1: that floating piece of wood paneling among rows? So please

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Speaker 1: join us for the third and final installment of our

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Speaker 1: Titanic trilogy. We have to like photoshop you, like like

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Speaker 1: Jim Carrey in the number twenty three, you just with

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Speaker 1: Titanic like written all over your face, like just like

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Speaker 1: Lou padded cell wrapped in a straight jacket, just chanting

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Speaker 1: white star line over and over again. Join us for

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Speaker 1: the conclusion of Jordan's descent into madness, as the Large

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Speaker 1: Boat trilogy concludes here on t m I Large Boat three,

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Speaker 1: A good day to large Boat, Large Boat three, The

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Speaker 1: Return of the King. Uh, I don't know if what's

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Speaker 1: another famous the large Large Boat three starting Sofia Coppola,

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Speaker 1: What else? What else have you done? The Return of

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Speaker 1: the Titanic Large Boat, Return of the Large boat the

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Speaker 1: Titani ck ng uh do like Titanic to the Revenge.

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Speaker 1: This has been too much information. I'm Alex Hegel and

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Speaker 1: I'm Jordan roun Talk. We'll cat you next time. Too

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Speaker 1: show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtalk. The

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Speaker 1: original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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