Speaker 1: Look mare, Oh, I see you my own. Look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture yess lost cult ding Dong lost
Speaker 1: Culturista's calling. We're back in the little boxes on the
Speaker 1: virtual screen.
Speaker 2: No, y'all, we're not getting the visuals. We're in our
Speaker 2: Beyonce bag. You're not getting the visuals this week for
Speaker 2: the podcast. Okay, let's just be up front. You guys
Speaker 2: were spoiling your You're like spoiled rotten.
Speaker 3: Little piglets in the in the mush people on the
Speaker 3: in the in the slop from the trough. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: they eat slop from the trough. Oh god, that's like
Speaker 3: both disgusting and so horny.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm seeing these tiktoks of pigs with a
Speaker 2: bunch of golden retrievers, you know, doing the same tricks
Speaker 2: as the dogs, and I'm going I think it's time
Speaker 2: we save the pigs for good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think it's because the pigs are looking at
Speaker 3: the dogs and they think there are a dog, and
Speaker 3: the dogs are looking at the pig and I think
Speaker 3: they're a pig because these animals are so stupid.
Speaker 2: No, that is not what I'm saying. Man, you better
Speaker 2: walk that back because you're gonna upset. Some people die
Speaker 2: have no.
Speaker 3: Problem saying that domestic dogs and pigs are stupid.
Speaker 1: The whales are smarter than humans.
Speaker 2: But what makes you say that the dogs aren't as
Speaker 2: smart as the whales or humans.
Speaker 1: Because they look at a pig and they act like
Speaker 1: a pig, and they're a dog idiot.
Speaker 2: It's like, and see the pigs act like the dog.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, honey, Let me tell you something as someone
Speaker 3: who sees me something you don't know nothing about. I.
Speaker 3: First of all, I know that big dogs see little
Speaker 3: dogs and think they're little dogs. That's why they act
Speaker 3: the foolish way they do. And little dogs see big
Speaker 3: dogs and think they're big dogs. That's why they bark.
Speaker 2: So I don't like this from you at all. You're
Speaker 2: what you like at all, like what I be. You'd
Speaker 2: be a little smarter.
Speaker 1: You got me, girl, got girl, I know you. I
Speaker 1: know my girl, girl shot down.
Speaker 2: I might be getting back on TikTok just to view
Speaker 2: because I was off of it for a while, but
Speaker 2: I was. I'm following this woman who was trying to
Speaker 2: make banana ice cream, and it's the sweetest video I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. Her husband's there helping her in the knschen.
Speaker 2: She goes, I don't know how to do anything. She's like, really,
Speaker 2: she's like ninety years old. Oh, trying to make banana
Speaker 2: ice cream. And she's like, okay, it's everyone's making this.
Speaker 2: And then she like turns the food process around. She screams,
Speaker 2: I am can I just I'm about to shift gears. Okay,
Speaker 2: my luxapro journey is crazy. I know you've been updating
Speaker 2: daily and in a way that I hope is okay.
Speaker 2: I hope it's not too much information.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that here's the thing.
Speaker 3: On first glance, it feels like whenever you post about
Speaker 3: you Lexibro journey, you're like, well, I'm a zombie again today.
Speaker 1: Well this is terrible. And then honestly, I see you
Speaker 1: and I feel you are vibrant.
Speaker 2: Really, I just I just came from a workout, honey,
Speaker 2: and it's a miracle that I made it out of
Speaker 2: bed to the gym.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean you did and you came and
Speaker 3: you're on the zoom vibrant. Wow, are you working back
Speaker 3: better than you think? I was gonna say?
Speaker 2: You look vibrant back in La and maybe LA looks
Speaker 2: good on you.
Speaker 1: Still, no, honey, I had a facial yesterday.
Speaker 2: Oh you had a facial in New York. I had
Speaker 2: to tell me everything.
Speaker 3: So basically, something I'm getting into this year is like, yes,
Speaker 3: you make no alogies. I'm trying to get to get
Speaker 3: so okay. I feel like I'm being so annoying with
Speaker 3: like this project, this project, this project. I've come out
Speaker 3: in order I have to take photos for the project
Speaker 3: actually today, and so I'm just being extra good with
Speaker 3: my skin and like taking care of myself and rejuvenating.
Speaker 3: And I have to say, I'm looking at myself in
Speaker 3: the zoom right now, is fucking.
Speaker 2: Hitting You look amazing, honey.
Speaker 1: Very happy.
Speaker 3: So that's why I got a facial yesterday. It's not la,
Speaker 3: it's facial. And also I didn't really go out this
Speaker 3: week out outside of seeing Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: I restore two times twice.
Speaker 2: We didn't really do anything.
Speaker 1: Didn't really.
Speaker 2: Foolish one.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I got speaking of concerts that did not end in
Speaker 3: a performance of Death by a Thousand Cuts that made
Speaker 3: me weep.
Speaker 1: On the spot.
Speaker 3: Can I just say, before I ask about what happened
Speaker 3: last night with Carly Ray, can I just tell you
Speaker 3: and can we all get into it? I've seen eras
Speaker 3: four times. These were my secret songs. Okay, when I
Speaker 3: was with you, Welcome to New York and Clean. You
Speaker 3: remember how he felt when Clean started?
Speaker 1: Oh my God.
Speaker 3: Then I got Starlight and back to December Jesus in Denver.
Speaker 3: Then then Queen, I got our song and you are
Speaker 3: in love?
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then and then I got Death by a Thousand
Speaker 3: Cuts and You're on your own kid, she track five.
Speaker 3: When I tell you, when she started to play Death
Speaker 3: by a Thousand Cuts, I've never experienced Beatlemania. I wasn't
Speaker 3: alive then right Everyone around me was screaming, sobbing, wailing
Speaker 3: at the skies like we have lost a great leader.
Speaker 1: It was un be believable.
Speaker 3: The catharsis that came out when she's sang Death five
Speaker 3: thousand cuts, I think, talk about it.
Speaker 1: What do you.
Speaker 2: Think it is about that song? Because it has like
Speaker 2: the quality people love that song in the way that
Speaker 2: it might as well be a track five. It's not.
Speaker 1: Oh it's not.
Speaker 3: The Archer is track five. The Archer is track five. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess that's what I mean. And there you go.
Speaker 1: That's me showing my imp no notion.
Speaker 2: I was and that wasn't me.
Speaker 3: Calling you in or anything. No, I know, I'm just
Speaker 3: saying like it had the energy of track five.
Speaker 1: You are so right. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: I think it's just one of those Well, can I
Speaker 3: say I think Lover actually is sort of coming from behind.
Speaker 2: I am about to give it a full spin after
Speaker 2: I literally on my to do list it's like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I should give Lover a full fucking rotation.
Speaker 3: Lover is actually sort of stomping to the front. It's
Speaker 3: saying I've been here, you just respected me, and it's
Speaker 3: her fault kind of half because she picked the wrong singles,
Speaker 3: and I think that put a little weird taste in
Speaker 3: everyone's mouth. But totally Lover has at least five songs
Speaker 3: on that album that are tailor.
Speaker 2: Canon Cool Summer Death by Thousand Times, Cornelia Street, Lover,
Speaker 2: I'd say Daylight Afterglow, Lover, Lover, the Archer, Fuck yes,
Speaker 2: I fucking love the Archer. And can I say, False.
Speaker 3: God, you are a False God superfan and I'm in
Speaker 3: I think he knows super fan.
Speaker 2: She did False God right after I did my first
Speaker 2: weekend update live at SNL. Oh my god, and I
Speaker 2: was like this is one of the best days of
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you get to see her? Then? I did night.
Speaker 2: She just hugged me and said, you're so funny. But
Speaker 2: I think she was just saying that in her like
Speaker 2: politician way, you know, like, oh, you don't like she's
Speaker 2: seen the.
Speaker 1: Weekend update, you just did.
Speaker 2: I think she was in her dressing room fucking throwing
Speaker 2: back shots with fucking and no, no, like Dylan O'Brien
Speaker 2: or something, just a.
Speaker 1: Few free false god shots, you know.
Speaker 2: I think she doesn't give a fuck. And the way
Speaker 2: that I celebrate, she's just like whatever, Like I'm just here,
Speaker 2: I'm hanging out.
Speaker 3: I am always confused by how much singers drink. So
Speaker 3: I was just watching Watch It Happens Live with the
Speaker 3: Legend Sandra Bernhard and the Legend Girl. I love Sandra,
Speaker 3: I love Sandra Bernhard. Sandra Bernhard was formative for me.
Speaker 3: She was on Watch It Happens Live with Alex Newell
Speaker 3: and they just want the Tony for Shucked. By the way,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've talked about Shucked yet on
Speaker 3: the podcast I fucking Love Shucked. I thought Chucks was
Speaker 3: Hilary's sad that I missed Alex and it is Alex
Speaker 3: no longer in Shock. I think they're done. Maybe, oh
Speaker 3: I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe that's
Speaker 3: why they were able to be on Yeah. Oh that
Speaker 3: would be a shame, I know. I mean it's it's
Speaker 3: right up my alley that kind of show. Okay, So
Speaker 3: first of all, if you can't see Alex Newell in Shucked,
Speaker 3: just go on YouTube and watch the live performance of
Speaker 3: Alex Nuwell performing independently owned on the view.
Speaker 1: Just honestly, so unbelievable live.
Speaker 3: It was stunning, love shocked, big endorsement for Shocked, and
Speaker 3: I realized I had never said that, even after my
Speaker 3: big year of Broadway, and I had to say Shucked
Speaker 3: was excellent. But the reason I say the drinking thing
Speaker 3: is because Alex Newell, like Andy Cohen, asked the question like,
Speaker 3: what's something you do every day to make you happy?
Speaker 3: And she said drink? And I was like, how do
Speaker 3: you drink every single day? And sound like that? Maybe
Speaker 3: she's being relatable queen and like also like being tongue
Speaker 3: in cheeic. I believe the expression is but like when
Speaker 3: I drink a little bit, like I wake up the
Speaker 3: next day, I'm dry, croaky.
Speaker 1: I can't do it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't do it. By the way,
Speaker 2: tongue in cheek, isn't tongue always in cheek?
Speaker 1: I don't get it, not when it's like this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 3: Matt just stuck his tongue out and I was not
Speaker 3: in cheek and he's not in cheek.
Speaker 1: It was way out of cheek. It was way out
Speaker 1: of pocket. Actually we had a pocket.
Speaker 2: So talk more about Eras because you have literally been
Speaker 2: to this concert more than any one four times. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And we're going again next summer. Guess what, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: shout out my sister Yang Yang. She did something for herself.
Speaker 2: She bought heires for tickets for Paris, and I said.
Speaker 1: Girl, you deserve it for her.
Speaker 2: She deserves it.
Speaker 3: Mom move saying you know what, I'm taking the week
Speaker 3: off to go see Taylor Swids.
Speaker 2: Brian watched the kids. I'm going to Paris to watch
Speaker 2: this girl sing Paris.
Speaker 1: Brian watched the kids. I'm going to Paris is a
Speaker 1: ruler culture rule of culture number thirty.
Speaker 2: Brian, watch the kids. I'm going to Paris.
Speaker 3: I have to tell you something I keep thinking about
Speaker 3: that you said, which I do believe is one of
Speaker 3: the top five funniest things you may have said ever.
Speaker 1: Is your impression of Patty Lapone. I took a drive
Speaker 1: with my daughter. We listen to Taylor Swift. She's a poet,
Speaker 1: she was a poet.
Speaker 2: Test I can't do a good Patty.
Speaker 1: That was real. You do do a good Patty? Oh no,
Speaker 1: do we say?
Speaker 2: We're going to see Patty in Cherry Grove at the
Speaker 2: Ice Palace. Bitch at the Ice Palace?
Speaker 1: So sick.
Speaker 2: We're getting breakfast at Floyd's. We're getting me. We're eating
Speaker 2: a nice bacon, egg and cheese at a dog themed restaurant,
Speaker 2: and then we're spending the day in Cherry Grove. Hours
Speaker 2: before Patty goes up on stage. We bought general admission tickets.
Speaker 2: We're sitting in the fucking back. We're gonna have the
Speaker 2: time of our lives.
Speaker 3: I cannot wait to see Patty at the Ice Palace.
Speaker 3: That is so it's been said before, but it is
Speaker 3: literally iconic, like that will be a memory forever, Like
Speaker 3: what is she going to say with a room full
Speaker 3: of gays screaming at her?
Speaker 1: You know she's gonna go off. I wonder if she'll
Speaker 1: take questions. I want to raise my hand. We should
Speaker 1: interview her, should we get her on the pod?
Speaker 2: Let's get her?
Speaker 1: Wait, it is just the best idea ever.
Speaker 2: You look into it, Honey.
Speaker 3: I wonder if she'll stay in Cherry Grove on that
Speaker 3: Sunday night and the Monday we can record with her.
Speaker 2: Oh my, interview her on Fire Island. You are twisted. Wait,
Speaker 2: keep them addicted.
Speaker 3: I will keep them addicted. Wait, can I just put
Speaker 3: this out there into the atmosphere? Bowen Yang, Matt Rogers,
Speaker 3: Patty Lapone the Lost Culturistas interview at the Ice Palace
Speaker 3: Monday Day.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 1: Let's see.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not up to us.
Speaker 1: We would tread a Patty Lapone interview.
Speaker 3: You would tread I feel like, Patty, oh my god,
Speaker 3: my email.
Speaker 2: Now you would tread I feel like.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You do an amazing impression.
Speaker 2: That is not a good interview.
Speaker 3: Make she's, first of all, I guarantee she's a big
Speaker 3: bone yang fan.
Speaker 1: I guarantee it.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey, I don't think.
Speaker 1: It's about commitment. And he gets it. He gets it.
Speaker 1: That's my impression of.
Speaker 2: That's a good Patty. I think we both have a Patty.
Speaker 3: Mount's cuta Patty Mount's got a Patty that's gonna Patty
Speaker 3: Iris POWs.
Speaker 1: Big year for her, Big year for her.
Speaker 3: Now do you want to give the download on? So
Speaker 3: that was everything that happened with Eras. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: nothing more to say about Eras. It was incredible. You
Speaker 3: went to a concert. I was so excited for you. You
Speaker 3: were seeing Carlie Ray Jebson last night, and then the
Speaker 3: unthinkable happens.
Speaker 2: But first of all, the very thinkable. Well, first of all,
Speaker 2: it was thinkable because the day before I'm looking at
Speaker 2: the weather forecast. It's at Peer seventeen on the rooftop,
Speaker 2: and it's an outdoor concert, asking for it, asking for it.
Speaker 2: And I look at the weather forecast right at the
Speaker 2: concert time, forty percent chance of rain. I go, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll chance it. I'll make dinner plans with Celeste DM,
Speaker 2: friend of the pod. We go, we have dinner. I
Speaker 2: wake up yesterday we're clear for rain. I said, great,
Speaker 2: But things can really change the fickle.
Speaker 3: Nature of New York weather. I mean, it was it
Speaker 3: was tunny. It's very unpredictable, and what did happen.
Speaker 2: It's an overcast night evening, and she sings three and
Speaker 2: a half songs, which were let's sort the whole thing out, okay,
Speaker 2: run away with me, thank god, we got one of
Speaker 2: the national anthems.
Speaker 1: Thank god. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Then she sings surrender my Heart, thank God. I love
Speaker 2: surrendering my Heart excellent. I want to I want to
Speaker 2: be brave enough to show you my not so perfect family.
Speaker 2: She stuck that in a song. That's an amazing song.
Speaker 2: That the loneliest time we didn't talk about how Midnight's
Speaker 2: completely fucking overshadowed that album.
Speaker 3: It's better than Dedicated. It's I like it better than dedicated.
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 1: I think, I think that's actually that's not a hot take.
Speaker 2: I think it's not a hot take, not a hot
Speaker 2: take at all. Then she says, josh I love Dedicated,
Speaker 2: we love Dedicated.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She sings Joshua Tree, well, no, during surrender my Heart,
Speaker 2: there's lightning oh, and we go uh oh. Then Joshua Tree.
Speaker 2: I'm sure she's getting screamed at in her fucking earpiece. Carly,
Speaker 2: you gotta call it. You have to call it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Carly, you gotta call it.
Speaker 3: So she goes be full, and then she goes, okay,
Speaker 3: we get a little bit of lightning.
Speaker 2: This guy's excited about. We'll be right back. Hang tight.
Speaker 2: She and her band run off the stage. Everyone in
Speaker 2: the audience is going, oh, well, okay, let's just wait
Speaker 2: a bit with him. Thirty seconds on the screens, today's
Speaker 2: event has ended.
Speaker 1: No, no, was it raining?
Speaker 2: And then it was raining, But it was just so
Speaker 2: fun as Celeste and I were laughing cackling about it
Speaker 2: the entire night. Oh man to go from hang tight? Okay,
Speaker 2: thirty seconds later, today's show has ended.
Speaker 3: But then she sort of I saw she came back
Speaker 3: out and was sort of the president came back out.
Speaker 2: Was the President said I'm so sorry. No one's getting
Speaker 2: electrocuted tonight though, woo. And then everyone cheered, and then
Speaker 2: what can I say? We were out at dinner we
Speaker 2: saw her stories. She said, first, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: people at Rockwood Music Hall tonight we're doing a sing
Speaker 2: along and that is a small ass venue, quarter circular
Speaker 2: stage in the corner of that room. We did not go.
Speaker 2: And she's doing a matinee today at three. I don't
Speaker 2: think I can make it.
Speaker 1: So is this the makeup?
Speaker 2: This is the makeup at three pm on a Tuesday
Speaker 2: the next day. I don't think people have work. I
Speaker 2: don't think people can go.
Speaker 1: You can't go.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can. Maybe I will. I
Speaker 2: don't know. We'll see maybe right after. That's all just
Speaker 2: go by myself.
Speaker 1: It might be really fun. Is it a nice day today?
Speaker 2: It's okay? Yeah, But she's doing two shows Todays. She's
Speaker 2: doing a matine at three and then she's doing her
Speaker 2: regular show at eight. She has another for her. I
Speaker 2: think listen, Carly Ray is just a Canadian as they come,
Speaker 2: just puts in the work, is talented. It just makes
Speaker 2: sure everyone has a good time.
Speaker 3: I always show Carly Ray her respect. I've seen her
Speaker 3: a couple times. She puts on a show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I fucking love Carly right. And the new album is
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 3: And also we just showed her her respect when we
Speaker 3: did and this is a segue, we did the top
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Speaker 3: we are doing Top ten Batman Villas. It's queer culture only.
Speaker 2: It's queer culture only. I'm really like, I was a
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Speaker 2: for the top ten lists, and like, I think this
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Speaker 3: Well, it's a perfect new injection of fun fancy free.
Speaker 3: And that is the review for us for our own podcast.
Speaker 3: We're gonna stop post posting, you know when they're like
Speaker 3: The New York Times says four stars, a ravishing romp.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be We're gonna get a poster for this
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Speaker 1: Free title of app. Oh my god, I love that
Speaker 1: title of app A perfect pure and of fun, fancy free.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 2: Bow Yeah, I think it's good. I think it works.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Wait, you know what I forgot to say? Or I
Speaker 3: didn't get an opportunity to say last week because we
Speaker 3: recorded a little early please Indictment watch. We are on
Speaker 3: Indictment Watch, and we got him.
Speaker 2: We got him.
Speaker 1: I can't do it, got him.
Speaker 2: Hold on, let me get this fucking buzzer.
Speaker 1: Oh hold on.
Speaker 3: I guess Bowen has a little bit of a buzzer.
Speaker 3: Sometimes he gets things delivered to his apartment, like food,
Speaker 3: et cetera, while we're recording episodes. And then what I
Speaker 3: get to do is I can just sort of watch
Speaker 3: him scurry away from the computer and then run down
Speaker 3: the stairs.
Speaker 1: And now he's coming back. And I think you don't
Speaker 1: you're not aware of how adorable it is when you
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: Well, this might be the last one you ever see,
Speaker 2: because I am not dealing with a buzzer in my
Speaker 2: next place.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna deal with? Then? How are you
Speaker 1: gonna know when someone's coming for you?
Speaker 2: Honey? It's called a door person.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, wealth Bowen Yang returning to his roots
Speaker 3: as a wealthy person.
Speaker 1: Those are not Matt.
Speaker 2: I think he doesn't like to do this. It's not
Speaker 2: that I don't like when you do this.
Speaker 3: I just think it has a collateral effect because people.
Speaker 2: Do end up believing out there in the real world.
Speaker 2: They go, well, I heard that you grew up and
Speaker 2: then the case was.
Speaker 1: Born a poor white child.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he grew up to be a rich Asian man. Yes,
Speaker 3: that is the narrative American dream.
Speaker 2: You contained races and class.
Speaker 3: What was her name, Doles, what venterla culture number eighty?
Speaker 2: What was her name? Dozol You know, I can't wait
Speaker 2: for that biopic.
Speaker 3: I can't believe they have any Angelina Jolie and her
Speaker 3: a mighty heart geche remember that.
Speaker 1: Remember when she.
Speaker 2: Played My God?
Speaker 1: Remember when Angelina Joli played black Woman.
Speaker 2: Then she's perfect, She's qualified.
Speaker 3: It's so recent that, like all that was happening, like
Speaker 3: Angelina Joli, like Black Woman, Jared Leno played a trans woman.
Speaker 1: Like it's so recent, and.
Speaker 2: They get rewarded for it. It's amazing, so amazing.
Speaker 1: We give them their flowers. Queen.
Speaker 2: Now, what do we have on the docket? Today, because
Speaker 2: there are lots of things to talk about. Do we
Speaker 2: talk about them?
Speaker 1: What do we have to talk about?
Speaker 2: Do we have any opinion on the Lizo stuff?
Speaker 3: Oh oh oh oh oh oh okay, so can I
Speaker 3: tell you my hot take on the Lizo stuff. Something
Speaker 3: I'm observing is that like people will be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know about.
Speaker 2: This, and isn't that a funny thing. It's like a
Speaker 2: funny knee jerk thing that we all do now.
Speaker 3: But yeah, go, it's that thing of like when a
Speaker 3: celebrity news item comes out, some we'll just go like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, people have been saying that for a long time.
Speaker 3: It's like I know, like two or three people who
Speaker 3: heard this about Lizzo, Like this Lizzo news broke. And
Speaker 3: if you don't know what the Lizo news is, it's
Speaker 3: that a few of her backup dancers have come out
Speaker 3: and they're suing her for like a bunch of sexual
Speaker 3: harassment and like professional abuse and like retaliation, false imprisonment.
Speaker 3: Like there's like a whole list of things that they're
Speaker 3: suing her for, and it basically comes down to the
Speaker 3: fact that she's like a very cruel boss who like
Speaker 3: works them to the bone. And then I guess at
Speaker 3: a club in Amsterdam, she forced a dancer or two
Speaker 3: to like touch a nude performer. Apparently, like you know,
Speaker 3: when they've expressed desires to change the work environment, Lizo
Speaker 3: retaliated against them. And like it's just this whole bunch
Speaker 3: of like this fleet of information about how Lizo is
Speaker 3: like a terror. It's not good, but it's just funny
Speaker 3: because this stuff came out about her, and like two
Speaker 3: or three people I know, like I said, were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: people have been saying about this about her for a
Speaker 3: long time. This is a reckoning. This has been coming.
Speaker 3: The Lizzo thing has been a thing for a while,
Speaker 3: and now we're ready to say it. I'm like, what,
Speaker 3: I had never heard of this, and how did your.
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: I also have I never trust it's not that. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm sure I never never I haven't. We all as
Speaker 2: a culture heard so many different people be like this
Speaker 2: person has a reckoning coming for them. Oh absolutely, and
Speaker 2: then most of the time it never happens and never
Speaker 2: comes to pass, which, like I guess, is no problem.
Speaker 2: But it's also like my takeaway on the meta narrative
Speaker 2: of this is we can never know, literally no one knows.
Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing. It's like I watched the
Speaker 3: interviews with these dancers, and I do believe them. I
Speaker 3: do believe that they have had a horrible experience, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just this thing of like.
Speaker 3: I sort of wish for them that there was more
Speaker 3: because people are gonna I think they're going to denounce them.
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's it's weird what's happening on Twitter.
Speaker 3: It's like equal parts like fuck Lizzo and fuck these
Speaker 3: dancers in a way that seems very Twitter. If there's
Speaker 3: something that really happened, I just wish it felt like
Speaker 3: they had more of a case because I feel like
Speaker 3: it's very easy for things like this to get dismissed
Speaker 3: because it is just like this happened to me, and
Speaker 3: I think there's not much like concrete proof. But like
Speaker 3: what I think is helping them is the fact that like,
Speaker 3: you know, her former director of our documentary has come
Speaker 3: out and being like she was toxic and arrogant and
Speaker 3: like was treating people this way. I think it's like
Speaker 3: other dancers are coming out and.
Speaker 1: Being like this was also my experience.
Speaker 3: So if this is the case, it's like incredibly disappointing.
Speaker 3: But also I do think that there is a thing
Speaker 3: where when someone comes out and makes themselves.
Speaker 1: Like the face of an issue, I always feel a
Speaker 1: little bit like you kind of have to question that always,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Truly, what are we the face of friendship? I make
Speaker 2: this about us? No, but like totally it's like if
Speaker 2: someone is really embodying in this very intentional way, some
Speaker 2: sort of not virtue, I guess that word is like
Speaker 2: so fucked up.
Speaker 3: Now it's just hard to back that up, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Because like she's a human being, She's
Speaker 3: got like a bunch of contradictions obviously, and I just
Speaker 3: think if she did make these girls feel this way,
Speaker 3: that is a problem, because she like is out here
Speaker 3: saying like this is what I'm all about, this is
Speaker 3: what I'm all about. No part of me wants to
Speaker 3: believe this about her.
Speaker 1: But I do, And I don't know how to.
Speaker 3: I don't know where you go from here outside of
Speaker 3: just like I hope that you know, if there's something
Speaker 3: really wrong, that it gets dealt with, because these girls
Speaker 3: seem like traumatized, and I just don't want them to
Speaker 3: be dismissed because it's a really brave thing and a
Speaker 3: very vulnerable position to come out there, and you also
Speaker 3: have to think, like what are they gaining from it?
Speaker 3: They're gaining nothing from this. N percent of the time
Speaker 3: whoever is putting themselves in opposition to someone on the
Speaker 3: other end of a power dynamic, like they never have
Speaker 3: anything to gain.
Speaker 2: It's just how it is with.
Speaker 3: Like accusers of like assault, It's just it's always the way,
Speaker 3: like societally, it's all set up, is all so fucked.
Speaker 2: Up anyway, and it's like it's all a huge bummer.
Speaker 3: It's just like we know from knowing, but like you
Speaker 3: never want to hear and believe that someone is an asshole.
Speaker 3: Now I believe it every time, Like so many people
Speaker 3: are fucking assholes. It's really weird when you see people
Speaker 3: with so much to lose act like that because it's
Speaker 3: gonna get out. I know it is gonna get out.
Speaker 3: The media is too sensitive now, people are too interested
Speaker 3: in this type of thing, Like I mean, we're past
Speaker 3: the point of like, yeah, being an asshole is like
Speaker 3: a means to an end. It's not you're it's I
Speaker 3: don't understand behaving like that. And then there's like an
Speaker 3: ego thing to thinking you can get away with.
Speaker 2: It, right, But then like people do see that as
Speaker 2: like an additional pressure. It's like an additional strain on
Speaker 2: their like psyche where it's like it then feeds it.
Speaker 2: Not that this is the same thing, but it's like
Speaker 2: people who are always like I'm not allowed to do
Speaker 2: that anymore or not allowed to say that anymore. This
Speaker 2: would have flown a few years ago. It's like that
Speaker 2: is also like a concentric circle around this thing of
Speaker 2: like you know, being an asshole, I guess, or just
Speaker 2: being like harmful to other people. It's like if you
Speaker 2: tell them they can't I if the media is sort
Speaker 2: of like exposing people for this kind of behavior, then
Speaker 2: that then also adds this like counter force where they go, well,
Speaker 2: I'm I feel even more repressed or something because I'm
Speaker 2: not allowed to behave in this like pure id way.
Speaker 3: Right exactly in creative atmospheres. And it's also like let's
Speaker 3: just say this, there's nothing illegal about being an asshole.
Speaker 3: Like if you are if you were running the show
Speaker 3: and you're an asshole, like you can do it that way.
Speaker 3: I mean it might get out. People might be like, oh,
Speaker 3: like I have something to say about it. But where
Speaker 3: it's iffy is like if there's like illegal stuff going on,
Speaker 3: which is why I think stuff with like this lawsuit
Speaker 3: and like other allegations that come out, like is she
Speaker 3: an asshole or was there something illegal? It feels like
Speaker 3: something illegal that was happening was maybe the retaliation on
Speaker 3: them losing their jobs, and certainly this issue that happened
Speaker 3: in like an Amsterdam club where Lizzo apparently bullied and
Speaker 3: forced one or more of the dancers to touch a
Speaker 3: live performer when they didn't want to do that, which.
Speaker 1: Is sexual harassment.
Speaker 3: And people should also know, like that is still a
Speaker 3: professional environment when you're with all of your colleagues. So
Speaker 3: that would be like if this were an office scenario.
Speaker 3: If an office full of people went out to an
Speaker 3: Amsterdam club and then their boss said, hey, touch that
Speaker 3: nude performer and started yelling and being like you know,
Speaker 3: chanting their name and egging them on to do it,
Speaker 3: and then they did it and they felt a certain
Speaker 3: way about it, that would be illegal.
Speaker 1: That would be that would be a violation a professional atmosphere.
Speaker 3: And Lizzo and her backup dancers and her team that
Speaker 3: is also a professional atmosphere, So that's where there's an issue,
Speaker 3: but she's allowed to be an asshole, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. It's like, yeah, it's just where it gets
Speaker 3: to the place of misconduct. Where's the separation. So I
Speaker 3: think that's like that gets weird in like the whole
Speaker 3: thing of like it being reported in the media, like
Speaker 3: all these things we should also say. Lizo responded, and
Speaker 3: she's emphatic that this is not the case. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: it's also weird. In a creative atmosphere, it feels like
Speaker 3: there's more gray area than there is, but there's really not.
Speaker 3: When someone is saying to you, I don't want to
Speaker 3: do this thing, I'm not comfortable, and they want to
Speaker 3: be treated with respect and you don't do that, then
Speaker 3: there's not really the excuse of gray area creative artistic
Speaker 3: GAMUS for anymore. You're forcing someone to do something they
Speaker 3: don't want to do. You're making I'm uncomfortable, and then
Speaker 3: ultimately they get fired because they didn't drive with you.
Speaker 1: That's wrong.
Speaker 2: Mmmmmm hmm. God, you are giving the view you are
Speaker 2: giving should have gone to you.
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 2: I want to see you and Sonny go head to head.
Speaker 2: I think you know, I'm sure Sonny. I think Sonny
Speaker 2: would like play Devil's advocate and be like, well now
Speaker 2: I feel like Lizzo's getting canceled.
Speaker 1: I don't like this.
Speaker 2: I don't like this cancel culture. And I went to
Speaker 2: law school. I read the book.
Speaker 3: I read the book. I did see a psychic and
Speaker 3: she said that my partner is a lawyer and she
Speaker 3: sees him in a suit.
Speaker 2: Now you've you've seen a psychic recently.
Speaker 1: I saw a psychic two days ago.
Speaker 2: Not the same one as before.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no different.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, with some distance. I didn't like that one.
Speaker 3: No, I know, and that one's in the past, right,
Speaker 3: that one's in the past. But this is actually a
Speaker 3: friend of mine, an old friend of mine, and I
Speaker 3: got a reading done over the phone and it was
Speaker 3: really interesting. And she said that she sees my partner
Speaker 3: as being in a suit and they're going to be
Speaker 3: a very solid person, and they are not. She says,
Speaker 3: this is really important. Not in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say, it's gonna be ted sarandos,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be your husband.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't fuck them anymore? Maybe back in the day now
Speaker 3: with the strike, can't be fucking ted.
Speaker 2: Maybe in the DVD era, sure maybe, Yeah, well that's exciting.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that a dinas suit not
Speaker 2: in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 3: I'm so psyched that this person said that they're not
Speaker 3: in the entertainment industry because now it's like liability. Well
Speaker 3: now it's like you can rule everyone out, which I love, Oh.
Speaker 2: My god, everyone.
Speaker 3: I don't think a relationship with someone in the entertainment
Speaker 3: industry is for me or for you for that matter.
Speaker 2: I go back and forth and forth and back, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, do you feel like they can't be
Speaker 2: anywhere near it? Like you wouldn't date like a fucking
Speaker 2: grip or something, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: You know what I guess, Like when I say in
Speaker 3: the entertainment industry, I guess I mean like an entertainer
Speaker 3: or someone that's like really in it, like someone that's like,
Speaker 3: I guess, too similar to me and what I do.
Speaker 3: I'm excited about that being off the table, just because honestly,
Speaker 3: like I guess, the stupid pie in the sky thing
Speaker 3: of being like I just want to someone who gets it,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, but that is ultimately it, right,
Speaker 3: Like you want to say, someone who gets it and
Speaker 3: is like a respector and a fan and supporter of
Speaker 3: what you do, but not someone that also.
Speaker 1: Does it totally.
Speaker 2: And you just want some because because what I'm all
Speaker 2: about right now is like I need someone to like
Speaker 2: broaden my life, and I feel like the best way
Speaker 2: to that is on some professional occupational levels for them
Speaker 2: to like give me something different, bringing in new stream
Speaker 2: of reality. If that makes sense, you know.
Speaker 3: So ground, you know what I mean, Like, that's another
Speaker 3: whole part of it. I should also say, like two
Speaker 3: out of my three x's have been in the entertainment industry,
Speaker 3: and that was never the.
Speaker 1: Problem, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like then, yeah, it's not like it's like a hard no,
Speaker 3: it's just helpful that a psychic said it, and we
Speaker 3: trust this one, I think, so yeah, okay, I mean okay.
Speaker 1: Also, what else did she say? She said, like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, she also said, she's like, you
Speaker 1: have to talk about the things that you go through.
Speaker 1: You have to.
Speaker 2: You have to as if you don't. Well, I feel
Speaker 2: like you do a great job and I really do
Speaker 2: compliment you. I feel like you are one of the
Speaker 2: most emotionally cogent people I know.
Speaker 3: I try to do a respectful job now of sharing
Speaker 3: what I'm going through with respect to people in my life.
Speaker 3: I try to do a respectful job while so honoring
Speaker 3: myself and what I'm going through whatever, but also not
Speaker 3: being who I was like back.
Speaker 1: In the day, like being like today, Henry did this.
Speaker 2: We were young.
Speaker 1: We were so young. Years ago.
Speaker 2: We were young, and that's a rule of culture number
Speaker 2: seventy two years ago. When we were young.
Speaker 1: They made mistakes.
Speaker 2: Well, you sharing details about your life with Henry was
Speaker 2: never an issue either, was it.
Speaker 1: It was with him. It was with him.
Speaker 3: He was like, hey, did you say this thing on
Speaker 3: the podcast because people are asked me about it? And
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, I guess I did, And
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just like it's that's a weird thing.
Speaker 3: But also it's like I feel like anybody that like
Speaker 3: knows who we are, knows that we get on the
Speaker 3: podcast episodes like this where we talk to each other
Speaker 3: about what's going on. So like, if that's not for you, like,
Speaker 3: don't try to stick a finger in my buttole then
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: You only stick it in there if that's for you.
Speaker 2: If you're okay with being talked about.
Speaker 3: If you hear this podcast and you say, wow, that's
Speaker 3: really crazy they went into this that the other thing.
Speaker 3: And then you see us at tai Te, don't come
Speaker 3: over to us and try to stick your finger in
Speaker 3: my in our buttthle.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Only do it if if
Speaker 2: you don't know, Like.
Speaker 3: Imagine me a baggot coming up to you at my
Speaker 3: fucking knockdown center. Ready, I'm styling up to you like
Speaker 3: dance tie I du Alipa is playing. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 3: suddenly you feel my hands slide down your butt and
Speaker 3: I start to finger your butthole, and I go, I
Speaker 3: really have been identifying with your lexapro journey.
Speaker 2: That's so nice.
Speaker 1: What are you doing fingering?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Ow, you're.
Speaker 3: Remember when we went to Miami. Yes, that was a fingerfest.
Speaker 3: Remember when we went to that one night club in Miami.
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Yeah, who was getting fingered?
Speaker 3: Oh shit, we were in Miami. We weren to that
Speaker 3: one like super duper club.
Speaker 2: Were you getting fingered?
Speaker 1: So I went out to the middle.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll go out into the middle of the dance floor,
Speaker 3: like just by myself and just like float around and
Speaker 3: like sometimes you'll start dancing with a guy and like
Speaker 3: I was just getting fingered.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I had no idea. Oh yeah, this
Speaker 2: is one of those moments where and I think it's
Speaker 2: just important to acknowledge where I feel like you and
Speaker 2: I are in different realities in a space like that.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that. I mean, you might be right.
Speaker 3: But also here's what I'll say if you sore out
Speaker 3: there and you go up to someone and you go hey,
Speaker 3: and you put your hands around their neck like this,
Speaker 3: and explain to them how I'm dancing right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt is basically so seductively putting his arms around
Speaker 2: your neck.
Speaker 1: And I'm also wiggling my butt and.
Speaker 2: He's wiggling his butt. He's like really like opening up.
Speaker 3: You could get a finger slit in there if someone
Speaker 3: digit would slip. I don't think anyone looks at me
Speaker 3: and goes, I'm a finger him.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna finger him.
Speaker 3: I have to tell you that's definitely wrong. I think
Speaker 3: people definitely want to finger you.
Speaker 2: Speaking of a terring experience I had in Amsterdam, went
Speaker 2: to the bathhouse. I was like this is not the
Speaker 2: place for me, was getting no play. I was like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: and then I left.
Speaker 1: I hate it.
Speaker 2: It's truly a thing where like even like Julio talks
Speaker 2: about going to like Planet Pride, and he's like when
Speaker 2: no one was florting with me. So I walked across
Speaker 2: the street direct and I had a great time. I
Speaker 2: was like, if no one's floating with Julio in a space,
Speaker 2: then like there's no hope.
Speaker 1: That's because they're all on gene. Can't see anything.
Speaker 3: By the way, like we have problems with the G thing,
Speaker 3: and this is good, this is gonna like light, this
Speaker 3: is good up, But like you guys are taking it
Speaker 3: to far. I mean, it's crazy you go to spaces
Speaker 3: now everyone's a fucking soulless personality less zombie because the
Speaker 3: G thing has gone too fucking far.
Speaker 1: It's just weird when you're doing it all the time.
Speaker 2: I think it's a scourge on our community. And I
Speaker 2: know we sound like fucking squares squares squares.
Speaker 1: So I think it's an issue.
Speaker 2: I think it's I was gonna say, I know it
Speaker 2: seems like we're like, oh, drugs, but literally not all
Speaker 2: drugs are created equal No, this is literally a drug
Speaker 2: that is lethal if it is like not so carefully used.
Speaker 2: What's g Hans's ass? What's GHB? It is more commonly
Speaker 2: known as the date rape drug gamma hydroxy buttric acid.
Speaker 3: You put it in alcohol, you know, you fucking know
Speaker 3: you put it in it? You oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah. So basically, like it's like an alternative to
Speaker 3: drinking alcohol that tons and tons and tons and tons
Speaker 3: of gay men do now. And it's gotten to the
Speaker 3: point where like I'll be at a party and it'll
Speaker 3: be most gays are just doing g and I'm like,
Speaker 3: then you sort of see them like fade out, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, why are we a creative, dynamic, like gorgeous
Speaker 3: community that can connect with each other only to not
Speaker 3: do that?
Speaker 2: My thing is, I feel like at this point, almost
Speaker 2: everybody in this gay community of ours the world over,
Speaker 2: has been affected by a g moment in that I
Speaker 2: literally had to help a stranger like get home, put
Speaker 2: them in a fucking uber a person I don't know
Speaker 2: from fucking adam, Yeah, to make sure they didn't die.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is ruining my You're ruining my night.
Speaker 1: No, it's getting weird. It's almost like weird to even
Speaker 1: bring up because it's so commonplace, and it's just to
Speaker 1: the point where.
Speaker 2: I'm just find taking this stance, fine, this stance.
Speaker 3: Like mid thirties, let's like zoom out and look at
Speaker 3: our life for a second, Like, let's be real with
Speaker 3: each other here. This is not why we're doing this.
Speaker 3: And I honestly, I'm not saying this like fuck you.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to see actionionately, I'm just saying it's really
Speaker 3: getting weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel. Is I am not like
Speaker 2: telling people how to live their lives. I'm just going
Speaker 2: there is a collective thing happening here that is it
Speaker 2: strange to me to be noticed anyway? What's coming on
Speaker 2: with uncoupling?
Speaker 1: What's going on with uncoupling?
Speaker 2: Divorce? Divorces in the air?
Speaker 1: Who's divorced?
Speaker 3: Now? Oh wait, everybody, now, okay, let's see Trudeau. Oh
Speaker 3: someone's everybody hold on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, goo goo goo.
Speaker 3: Someone was like, kim k is gonna go for Trudeau.
Speaker 3: That's so funny. I can see Tylor Swift going for Trudeau.
Speaker 3: I can see Kim Ka, I can see Kylie Jenner,
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 2: See oh my god, Well look here's what's going on.
Speaker 2: We've got fucking Trudeau, Deblasio and his wife and Lane
Speaker 2: Billy Porter. So if you ever got and Joe Manginiello, Oh.
Speaker 3: Right, I knew about that, Rosilia Rita Noles, oh Tina.
Speaker 2: The list goes on like something is happening this sum
Speaker 2: this is breakup here.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you twenty twenty three. It's something going on.
Speaker 3: It's something, something is in.
Speaker 2: How do you feeling trend? How do you feel being
Speaker 2: on trend with breakup?
Speaker 1: I feel being on trend not good. I mean like
Speaker 1: it's it's horrible. Going through a breakup is horrible.
Speaker 2: It's awful. There's no way to make it chic or
Speaker 2: like ooh, it's it's in right now, Like it doesn't
Speaker 2: make it any no.
Speaker 3: And also it's like it's equally it not maybe not
Speaker 3: equally painful, but it's so painful to be the person
Speaker 3: doing it as well as the person going through it,
Speaker 3: and it honestly chases you away from even getting into
Speaker 3: relationships in the first place, which is like something I'm
Speaker 3: sort of dealing with now is it's like I'm definitely
Speaker 3: dating a good bit, but I am so hesitant to
Speaker 3: get into something with someone that can hurt me in
Speaker 3: the ways in which I have been hurt had to
Speaker 3: hurt other people. Like it's almost like when you go
Speaker 3: on a date with someone and it's going good, you
Speaker 3: look them in the eyes and you're like.
Speaker 1: So are we going to ruin each other's lives or what?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's just like, are we
Speaker 1: going to get into it or what? Like?
Speaker 3: Are you going to be the person that I.
Speaker 1: Have to cry with?
Speaker 2: What's the Brockovic line?
Speaker 1: Are you going to be? You're going to be another
Speaker 1: thing that I have to survive. Oh what, I'm not
Speaker 1: up to it?
Speaker 2: And I'm not I'm actually not.
Speaker 1: How said this to me the other day.
Speaker 3: He was like, I feel like you need to take
Speaker 3: a break because you don't know what you want. And
Speaker 3: I was like, it's not even that I don't know
Speaker 3: what I want.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm not up to the emotions that go
Speaker 1: with I don't know. It's so difficult.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely understand, and it makes me sad because
Speaker 2: I feel like you deserve everything you want.
Speaker 3: I mean likewise, but the thing is like it is
Speaker 3: fucking hard to get there, and it's work, and then
Speaker 3: you start to feel like I don't want I don't
Speaker 3: want to be like, you know, a chump for not
Speaker 3: wanting to go through it again. But it's just difficult,
Speaker 3: I think, especially like when you do have a lot
Speaker 3: to give and I feel like another thing. The psychic
Speaker 3: said to me, She was like, well, you have the
Speaker 3: you have the ability to love unconditionally. Congratulations. And I
Speaker 3: was just like and I was like, yeah, I think
Speaker 3: I know that's true, which is why when it feels
Speaker 3: conditional for someone else or you realize when things change
Speaker 3: it's just like too painful.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think what's happening too for you
Speaker 2: is that in order to like avoid pain or like
Speaker 2: heavy investment or some such like, you are then selecting.
Speaker 2: There's a selection process there where it's like then you
Speaker 2: just end up going on like a bunch of I'm
Speaker 2: not saying this is what's happening, but then it's like
Speaker 2: it creates a thing where it's like you would only
Speaker 2: go on like mid dates anywhere where like the guy
Speaker 2: doesn't challenge you or doesn't stimulate or spark something.
Speaker 1: Not challenging, it's certainly not happening.
Speaker 3: Like I'm definitely a lot pickier and choosier with if
Speaker 3: I I mean, we've said this, like if I go
Speaker 3: out with someone, like I really want to be there,
Speaker 3: like and I feel like you're the same way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of. I feel like I'll take what I
Speaker 2: can get.
Speaker 1: At this point. No, that's so, that's that's wrong.
Speaker 2: It's okay, it's fine, it's fine. Can I just say
Speaker 2: I think the Lexipro is doing good things? And I
Speaker 2: do feel like I am, like Miles Leagues, in a
Speaker 2: better place than I was.
Speaker 1: You really seem so much better.
Speaker 2: You can tell girl.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh my god, that's good.
Speaker 3: I also think you're now even though it's like weird
Speaker 3: because everything is shut down, It's like you are now
Speaker 3: living like a normal life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like your life was abnormal, your life like is abnormal.
Speaker 2: I know. I picked up dry cleaning today. It's at
Speaker 2: that Charlie Barday tweet. It's like, right, oh, Like if
Speaker 2: I see someone with dry cleaning, I go, that's a
Speaker 2: fucking errand I'm like, I'm running errands.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 3: Like I had dinner with Sweety last night. By the way,
Speaker 3: we need to do sometime over the next month or two.
Speaker 2: This's happening.
Speaker 3: It will be a late summer of Compo. I was
Speaker 3: talking to her last night and she was like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's so interesting, like especially with the strike and everything
Speaker 3: with no one working, like you can sort of focus
Speaker 3: on like what is like a routine, because she was
Speaker 3: saying like it's very difficult for her to get anything
Speaker 3: done without a routine. So she was saying, like, you know,
Speaker 3: I wake up in the morning, like I make my coffee,
Speaker 3: I do my thing, like I have like a set
Speaker 3: schedule of things I do. And then I said to
Speaker 3: her when she was saying at the end of all
Speaker 3: this like routine stuff, I was like, you know, that's
Speaker 3: like an adult, normal life, and she's like, yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: And I don't have to feel guilty that I'm not
Speaker 3: like doing other things. It's just like I don't know,
Speaker 3: like like sometimes I the best days I have are
Speaker 3: when I feel like I accomplished small tasks, like I
Speaker 3: did launch this.
Speaker 1: I like went and picked up.
Speaker 3: Something that I've been meaning to get, Like there's been
Speaker 3: like weeks and weeks and weeks where I've needed to
Speaker 3: go get laundry detergent, and I went out and got it.
Speaker 3: And I was like, in the words of Ken Ryan, Gosling.
Speaker 3: I said, sublime, Oh my god, just like little things
Speaker 3: that now you have the time to do, which would
Speaker 3: have been so overwhelming for you, which is wrong.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is literally sublime in the sense that
Speaker 2: it's like beyond good, beyond great, it's something deeper than good.
Speaker 2: It's like, wow, this feels right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just.
Speaker 3: Do like tiny little human things for yourself. I know, literally,
Speaker 3: but you seem so much better because that's the.
Speaker 1: Case, right.
Speaker 2: I'm just worried that like the luxepro is not the
Speaker 2: right doll. I might be more of a pro zac
Speaker 2: rizol off situation. But I don't have I literally don't
Speaker 2: have the time to be like fucking knocked off of
Speaker 2: my feet for two weeks per drug, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: Maybe, but can I say you do have the time,
Speaker 3: You do have the time, and yet I feel like
Speaker 3: this is what happens.
Speaker 2: I've been like waking up zombifide and then I go
Speaker 2: and then I think it's okay because literally, Katie Gavin
Speaker 2: Muna we were talking and they were asking me like, well,
Speaker 2: is it a good kind of tired or is it
Speaker 2: like is it a good kind of like down or
Speaker 2: is it a bad kind of down. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's such an interesting nuanced question, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't tell yet, but I think what happens is
Speaker 2: I wake up zombifide and I go, huh, that's interesting,
Speaker 2: and then I immediately start to feel bad about feeling tired,
Speaker 2: as if I'm not doing enough with my day, and
Speaker 2: yet I am kind of doing stuff with my days.
Speaker 2: I am like going to the gym, I'm like picking
Speaker 2: up dry cleaning, I'm like doing shit. And this is
Speaker 2: just the adjustment I think that, Like, for me, what
Speaker 2: I've experienced is well, one thing is my anxiety is
Speaker 2: like kind of.
Speaker 1: Gone, which has really been a big change.
Speaker 3: Like for example, like last week, the second day I
Speaker 3: went to Eras, I was going to meet up with
Speaker 3: a bunch of like people, many of whom I didn't
Speaker 3: really know, to pregame before the concert. And that is
Speaker 3: the kind of thing that would have driven me up
Speaker 3: the wall with anxiety, especially because low key there were
Speaker 3: going to be like a lot of hot gays there
Speaker 3: and so or like what I perceived to be like
Speaker 3: you know, like certain, and so I was getting like
Speaker 3: a little anxious I was, And that's the kind of
Speaker 3: thing like that I even started therapy to deal with
Speaker 3: is just like gatherings of large strangers of gay men.
Speaker 3: They're strangers, like just like that makes me nervous. And
Speaker 3: so I walked into this thing and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I didn't even think about the fact
Speaker 3: that I would ordinarily be really anxious about this, Like
Speaker 3: that was eliminated. So maybe what you're experiencing is like
Speaker 3: you used to have a comfort with feeling emotions in
Speaker 3: more extreme and because you're not feeling those emotions and
Speaker 3: extremes are like because you're not like moved to feel
Speaker 3: by every little thing, you're thinking, like there's something that's
Speaker 3: like keeping me down?
Speaker 1: Is that maybe it?
Speaker 2: Probably I think maybe with serotonin re entering my system,
Speaker 2: with the noise in my head sort of dissipating, that
Speaker 2: has been the thing that is like kept me up
Speaker 2: and awake and alert at all times. Like that, yeah,
Speaker 2: that anxiety, and now that that is going away, there's
Speaker 2: no buttressing for my energy, so it fucking crashes and
Speaker 2: I'm going, yeah, whoa was that the engine I was
Speaker 2: running on this whole time? Because literally working at my
Speaker 2: day job, it is like every day of the week,
Speaker 2: your emotions are being driven one way or the other.
Speaker 2: It's like a fucking switchboard. It's like either you feel
Speaker 2: great on Wednesday or you feel terrible on Wednesday. Either
Speaker 2: you feel amazing on Saturday or you feel it's like
Speaker 2: and every week it's that. And then on top of that,
Speaker 2: it was the travel and whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also probably something chemical and also not for nothing.
Speaker 3: But maybe this will be a good thing because it'll
Speaker 3: neutralize those feelings. I'm interested to see how you feel
Speaker 3: when you go back on this. Me too, if you
Speaker 3: stick with it, if it ever comes back.
Speaker 2: Truly, who knows.
Speaker 3: Let's get into I don't think so, honey, Okay, might
Speaker 3: have to be a messy I kind of want to
Speaker 3: get messy too. It's kind of been a messy episode,
Speaker 3: so why the fuck out? Whatever else do it?
Speaker 2: This has been a beautifully messy episode, hasn't it?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. As
Speaker 2: time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Grinder, I deleted it. You
Speaker 1: can too.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of other, you know, hookup apps and
Speaker 3: dating apps you can use.
Speaker 1: I just think the app is too toxic, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be real. You can look it up.
Speaker 3: They just fired in retaliation a whole bunch of their
Speaker 3: employees just because they wanted to unionize, and that was
Speaker 3: completely unfair And it's bullshit. And I have people that
Speaker 3: I love and care about that were.
Speaker 1: Affected by it. Toxic app, toxic company.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just whenever you hear the word, it
Speaker 3: kind of sends a chill up your spine. So why
Speaker 3: are we doing it? Here's my message to the gay community.
Speaker 3: You don't have to do fucking anything you don't want
Speaker 3: to do. So if you don't want to be on
Speaker 3: this second, fucking delete it because I did and I'm
Speaker 3: doing just fine. And you go on Instagram it's basically
Speaker 3: a hookup app. You go on all these other ones.
Speaker 3: Do you want to sniff it up?
Speaker 2: Girl?
Speaker 1: Do that thing?
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, because everyone's doing it, you don't have
Speaker 3: to do it, grinder included. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: That's one minute beautiful fucking union busting. I mean, it's like.
Speaker 1: That bullshit, evil, evil.
Speaker 2: Legally, very very murky. To fucking retaliate against your employees
Speaker 2: for wanting to unionize, like not the right thing to do.
Speaker 2: I think they fucked up and by like letting go
Speaker 2: of all other people disgusting and a terrible app terrible
Speaker 2: fucking pay structure that those tears are fucking stupid, extra unlimited.
Speaker 2: It don't make no sense. I have nothing good to say.
Speaker 3: It's gotten to the point where it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like Twitter at this point, you know,
Speaker 3: where it's been, like, let's move on. It makes us
Speaker 3: feel bad. It makes us feel bad, and like now
Speaker 3: we have like black and white proof that like it's
Speaker 3: just as shitty on the inside.
Speaker 1: And that's my I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: Everybody listening who uses it, think about the last great
Speaker 2: experience you had.
Speaker 3: I might have been great seven, Yeah, yeah, I might
Speaker 3: have been twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, And maybe
Speaker 3: it was good because it was the first like good
Speaker 3: random sex I had had, but that wasn't because of the.
Speaker 2: Ap No no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 1: Hate that shit anyway. Okay, this is Bowen Yang's I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, And this time starts.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't think so, honey. The Real House Days
Speaker 2: of New York City, Season fourteen. I'm sticking with you
Speaker 2: to the end. I am really this episode. I like listen.
Speaker 2: I didn't finish it, but I hear is bring the
Speaker 2: new villain now or something? I can't keep up anymore.
Speaker 2: And it's already We're only four episodes in and I'm
Speaker 2: already like falling off. Listen what I am gonna stick
Speaker 2: with it? But I am. I think we need to
Speaker 2: stop pretending like it's like an amazing new reset. I
Speaker 2: think I'm still going back and watching the old episodes
Speaker 2: and going and look, I would say this openly to
Speaker 2: you know, people's faces, important people's faces. I would say,
Speaker 2: this is if not giving the give you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm missing the energy the spark this had.
Speaker 2: Right now, this feels a little textureless. Jenna does not
Speaker 2: have what it takes to hold the center and to
Speaker 2: be in the center of the tableau. And so I
Speaker 2: just think we need to really give it a new
Speaker 2: shot of energy.
Speaker 1: And that's woman.
Speaker 3: I could not disagree more that I thought this was
Speaker 3: the best episode of the season. I like the season,
Speaker 3: all the women, and it's early bo I mean, and
Speaker 3: like with Housewives, it's like you have to look at
Speaker 3: as a collective season, and I think right now we're
Speaker 3: getting to know all of them and really getting to
Speaker 3: see like how they tick and everything. Like I mean,
Speaker 3: I almost feel like when a season, when a new
Speaker 3: franchise starts too hot, like salt Lake, it's like almost
Speaker 3: like it's setting it up to go down.
Speaker 2: Like I think we get two amazing seasons of salt
Speaker 2: Lake and then one dud season of for season three.
Speaker 2: But then I think I understand that there is like
Speaker 2: a cadence in a rhythm and like ebbs and flows.
Speaker 2: I just think I am not latching on the way
Speaker 2: that I would have hoped to. And I was really
Speaker 2: open to really getting into this season and I will
Speaker 2: and I'm sure I'm just saying right now, as of
Speaker 2: episode four, I'm like, who cares.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying you will eat your hat.
Speaker 3: I'm saying I hope you eat your hat because I
Speaker 3: hope so you really like it. I mean, like I
Speaker 3: think britn is a star who was also excellent un
Speaker 3: watch What Happens Live with Marlowe. I mean, you should
Speaker 3: definitely watch to the end. I think if there's some
Speaker 3: really interesting stuff there, like interesting contradictions on her personality
Speaker 3: that come out. I love Jenna. I think that she
Speaker 3: is doing an amazing job. I really enjoy watching her.
Speaker 3: I'm actually kind of obsessed with her. I fell down
Speaker 3: a YouTube wormhole of her the other day.
Speaker 2: I actually was incredible. I'm obsessed. She's popping up on
Speaker 2: my algorithm too on YouTube. I'm not saying she's not
Speaker 2: a star. I'm saying she any other season, any other city,
Speaker 2: she would be like the fun, quirky, not side housewife,
Speaker 2: but she would not be like carrying it. And I
Speaker 2: think they're relying her to carry this even though she
Speaker 2: seems a little uncomfortable doing that. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think that she's starting to come into her own
Speaker 3: in that regard, and I think we're it has to marinate.
Speaker 3: But I guess what I'm saying is like I'm liking
Speaker 3: the energy of what I'm seeing. I also did order
Speaker 3: uber hat. I will stress it has not come yet,
Speaker 3: but I'm very excited for my uber hot Taste thing.
Speaker 3: I didn't know it's on Unperceived Things until oh yeah,
Speaker 3: And that's why this episode was so amazing.
Speaker 1: We found out that uber hat was on Oprah Severed Things.
Speaker 3: I respect your opinion, I respectfully disagree. I think this
Speaker 3: is gonna be something we watch moving forward.
Speaker 1: Space.
Speaker 3: This is atension between us. This episode was you know,
Speaker 3: we were sort of went there.
Speaker 2: We went there.
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Speaker 3: it's good for you baby. And just as a little
Speaker 3: tip of the hat to an episode that just came out,
Speaker 3: we end every episode with a song.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the club, there's a gong.
Speaker 2: I listened to it the other day and they play
Speaker 2: a gong during that part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Fergie sort of is Isn't Ferggy like International?
Speaker 3: Isn't Forggy like every race? Sure?
Speaker 1: Bye,