Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love a dislocated thumb.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Westling podcast studio.
Speaker 1: It's a camp Buzz Tuesday with my friend Nick Shook,
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman. Did you mangle your your fingers up
Speaker 1: like a lot of the linemen like Baldy style?
Speaker 2: I aren't too bad.
Speaker 3: I got a little bit of of oh bend here,
Speaker 3: but nothing terrible.
Speaker 1: I'm double jointed with the thumb, so it looks a
Speaker 1: little it looks a little funny. I can also bend
Speaker 1: my fingers all the way back, so that's completely except okay, no,
Speaker 1: I went I can touch the back I mean, which.
Speaker 4: Is it's not good for you.
Speaker 1: It's a big it's a big thumb day around the
Speaker 1: NFL because, yeah, A J. Brown dislocated his thumb and
Speaker 1: Mike Rable made fun of it a little bit at
Speaker 1: the podium.
Speaker 4: Guy, I think he's gonna be okay. I think I
Speaker 4: think he's going to be okay.
Speaker 1: Now I tell him the lineman do that every other snap,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's not a national story when Alignment
Speaker 1: pops his finger in place.
Speaker 5: But we had a little bit of fun.
Speaker 1: I love seeing Rabel there at the podium has kind
Speaker 1: of been under the radar, by the way, just Mike
Speaker 1: Rabel beat a normal coach again, got a lot of
Speaker 1: grief for using the dog as a shield on his
Speaker 1: first training camp press conference. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember that shook, But when you consider the off season
Speaker 1: that Mike Rabel has had, the noise has quieted down,
Speaker 1: and yes, AJ Brown didn't miss any practice time and
Speaker 1: he's out there going one on one with Christian Gonzales
Speaker 1: day after day, which Rabel says has been a highlight
Speaker 1: of camp, just seeing kind of these two greats going
Speaker 1: at each other. In the last few days, he's been
Speaker 1: beating Gonzales down the field. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: have a question or a bigger thought on this. I
Speaker 1: just thought I would start with thumbs because I saw
Speaker 1: our friend Gerald McCoy was on Get Up Now, our
Speaker 1: NFL network brethren are now regularly on ESPN, and he
Speaker 1: showed some pretty disgusting digits were bangled.
Speaker 3: Look, that's part of the wear and tear that comes
Speaker 3: with playing in the trenches in the NFL.
Speaker 4: But I'm all about digits. I'm all about keeping people healthy.
Speaker 3: I'm all about you know, minor injuries at best, because
Speaker 3: we're in training camp when worst things happen.
Speaker 4: You know what else of them all about?
Speaker 2: Greg, Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 4: If you're into the aesthetic of the game as much
Speaker 4: as I am.
Speaker 3: But yesterday the new sideline gear was released, new caps,
Speaker 3: which means one thing for me, it's time for me
Speaker 3: to get a new rob Low hat.
Speaker 1: This wow, is that that's not part of the new
Speaker 1: sideline gear.
Speaker 4: This is last year's sideline. Yeah, you're the old NFL hat.
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, this is a real advertisement to join
Speaker 1: us on YouTube. We're there every day. Obviously we love
Speaker 1: you listening to the podcast. But you can see Nick
Speaker 1: Schuok there, I will check out that Sideline gear. We're
Speaker 1: way off track to start the show. It's a Camp
Speaker 1: Buzz episode, which means we're hitting the news as quickly
Speaker 1: as we can. We're getting you out of here before
Speaker 1: our division preview, which will go up on Wednesday. We
Speaker 1: got some big contracts signed, but John Robinson is now
Speaker 1: locked up long term. I decided because I don't think
Speaker 1: he's making enough money to make a very impromptu all
Speaker 1: underpaid team that would just fly through. And then some
Speaker 1: other bits and Bobs in terms of injuries around the NFL,
Speaker 1: and also the QB tiers with that Mike Sando puts
Speaker 1: out every year. We'll have some takes on that at
Speaker 1: the end of the show, but let's start with John Robinson.
Speaker 1: Fifty one million dollars guaranteed on a three year deal.
Speaker 1: It's an extension up to seventy five million dollars. When
Speaker 1: I heard that Bajhon Robinson and Jamior Gibbs might be
Speaker 1: resetting the market, I was then disappointed by the amount
Speaker 1: of this contract. That's why I'm doing an all underpaid team.
Speaker 1: I know he's making more than every other running back
Speaker 1: in the league, it's by like a million or two
Speaker 1: over Saquon per year, but man running backs are still underpaid.
Speaker 1: If Jon Robinson can't get more guaranteed money than the
Speaker 1: guard that they signed earlier this week, I mean, what
Speaker 1: are we talking about, Nick Schuck, Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's indicative of the fact that despite
Speaker 3: the the re emergence of the importance of the running
Speaker 3: back position, running backs are still not paid as well
Speaker 3: as we would like them to be, even when you're
Speaker 3: a player of John Robinson's caliber, and it's because of
Speaker 3: the shelf life as we all know, and I totally agree.
Speaker 3: In fact, if anybody's gonna be upset about it, it's
Speaker 3: probably the other running back that's was doing the hold
Speaker 3: in this week, which is Jamiir Gibbs. Because these were
Speaker 3: always going to be tandem deals. He's yet to sign
Speaker 3: with the Lions. He's probably not gonna get as much
Speaker 3: money as he thought he would either. If you do
Speaker 3: the fifty one million guaranteed over three years, right, it's
Speaker 3: what seventeen a year average guarantee per year. That's still
Speaker 3: a million behind Saquan's average guarantee per year.
Speaker 4: And I have to blame.
Speaker 3: Saquan a little bit because after he got paid, he
Speaker 3: wasn't as good as he was the year before, which,
Speaker 3: of course is very ever to have a two thousand
Speaker 3: yard season.
Speaker 4: It's just not fair, man, come on pay the running backs.
Speaker 1: I was referred to Matthew bergeron Look. It's a one
Speaker 1: to one comparison because it's the same team. Matthew bergeron
Speaker 1: a upper middle class guard. Shall we say, it's been
Speaker 1: like okay in his NFL career, got sixty million dollars
Speaker 1: guaranteed from this same Falcons team on a four year
Speaker 1: ninety six million dollar extension. I understand the guard market
Speaker 1: is different than the offensive line market, but I just
Speaker 1: remember Raheem Morris and a lot of other people pointing
Speaker 1: out last year, this is the best player in the NFL.
Speaker 1: This is not Saquon Barkley at the age that Saquon
Speaker 1: Barkley was at Kyle freaking pittscot like three years fifty
Speaker 1: four million. It's not that much different. It's less, but
Speaker 1: it's not that much different than Bajon Robinson. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense to me, And you're absolutely right. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you made that point about Gibbs because usually you
Speaker 1: want to be the second guy to sign the deal.
Speaker 1: But in this case, I wonder if him and his
Speaker 1: agents saw this and thought, really, bro because everyone thinks
Speaker 1: you're a little bit better than me. Let's listen to
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, who might have been happy about this Baijon
Speaker 1: Robinson deal coming down. This is him speaking on Tuesday.
Speaker 5: I think it's certainly not going to hurt. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's not gonna hurt, but we'll see, you know, we'll see.
Speaker 5: I'm look, I'm just to get Gibbs back out there.
Speaker 5: Every day that goes by. You know, that's that's another
Speaker 5: day that you feel like you miss with him and
Speaker 5: getting them out there with the guys and and him
Speaker 5: being doing his part. So but there again, man, It'll
Speaker 5: get done when it gets done.
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs talked to the media briefly after practice on Monday.
Speaker 1: He was out watching practice for the first time that
Speaker 1: they had seen him, and he said he wasn't holding
Speaker 1: out because of contract related and then they asked him, well,
Speaker 1: what are you holding out?
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: He said, he said, what I'm aiming toward? Uh, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: This is the same running back who when I went
Speaker 3: to the Pro Bowl and I tried to ask him
Speaker 3: about like a new offense, you know, moving on from
Speaker 3: last year's offensive coordinator to Detroit. I was like, how's
Speaker 3: it gonna look? And he goes, I don't know, we
Speaker 3: haven't been there yet. Yeah, okay, simple, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get it much out of him. I'm disappointed.
Speaker 1: And yet it's tough because fans would get on bajon
Speaker 1: the If ever someone was going to reset a market,
Speaker 1: it was going to be him, really whole holding the
Speaker 1: Falcons feet to the fire, like you just will never
Speaker 1: convince me that he is worth like eight million dollars
Speaker 1: less per year than Chris o'lave, Like, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Everyone recognizes he's a better player.
Speaker 3: It's this is the power. This is why Arthur Blank
Speaker 3: made Matt Ryan president of football. It's the ability to
Speaker 3: schmooze his players into taken contracts.
Speaker 4: Now so friendly.
Speaker 1: They just they just took advantage of a guy who
Speaker 1: did have more years left on his contract with a
Speaker 1: fifth year option and all that. So he is getting
Speaker 1: the deal early. That's worth pointing out. But this, this
Speaker 1: contract's going to age well. We'll get to other contracts
Speaker 1: that have aged well in a minute. It's a Flowers
Speaker 1: contract that came down on Tuesday morning, four years up
Speaker 1: to one hundred and forty million. They're not even saying
Speaker 1: the up to in the original announcements from these insiders.
Speaker 1: I'm watching you insiders. You gotta at least say the
Speaker 1: up to. It's just straight up lying. At some point
Speaker 1: they say one hundred and eight million dollars. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if that's guaranteed or in guaranteed a player that
Speaker 1: I've struggled with because he's so different than most wide
Speaker 1: receivers and yet he's always freaking open. And this team
Speaker 1: would stink if they didn't have Zay Flower. So very
Speaker 1: important to them. And as you look at the lists
Speaker 1: of long term wide receivers, he deserves to be on it.
Speaker 1: And so if you're the next one up, you're going
Speaker 1: to get paid pretty well. I think he's somewhere in
Speaker 1: that top twenty five receivers in the league. Not sure
Speaker 1: how high you would have him, Nick, I would.
Speaker 3: Put him in there as well, both because of production
Speaker 3: and importance to this offense. This guy who's had a
Speaker 3: thousand yards receiving twelve hundred last year. In each of
Speaker 3: his last two years, he's got nine total touchdowns between
Speaker 3: the last two years. He's key part of this passing game.
Speaker 3: He was a key part of the passing game under
Speaker 3: Todd Mounkin. I'm curious to see how his role might
Speaker 3: evolve with a new offensive coordinator now in town and
Speaker 3: Todd Munkin being the coach of the Browns. But I
Speaker 3: think he's proven that he's worth this type of money
Speaker 3: to this team where they don't have you know, they
Speaker 3: haven't spent a lot of money on a receiver, which
Speaker 3: is unlike most of the other teams in the NFL.
Speaker 4: But it is interesting with these contracts because we have.
Speaker 3: The up to one forty on the extension and we
Speaker 3: have the one hundred and eight million guaranteed. So if
Speaker 3: you start sorting guys by average guarantee per year, he
Speaker 3: lands in the top three. He's actually had a justin
Speaker 3: Jefferson in terms of average guarantee per year because mental
Speaker 3: math tells me that's what twenty seventy year fifty four
Speaker 3: twenty seven times four is one o eight.
Speaker 4: I believe something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, and so that would put him, you know,
Speaker 3: just behind George Pickens on the franchise tag. So's that's
Speaker 3: good money. We'll see if it ends up being the
Speaker 3: four year, one forty up to one forty that we
Speaker 3: see right now. But it's something that he deserves and
Speaker 3: it's a key part of the Ravens as they take
Speaker 3: this next step into their new era with Jesse Mitcher
Speaker 3: as their coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When we when we put him on our all thirty
Speaker 1: two you know rankings, he ended up in the twenties
Speaker 1: with with me and Nate Tice when we did our
Speaker 1: wide receiver rankings. He and Lamar Jackson have a pretty
Speaker 1: special connection. And now I think just the way that
Speaker 1: they understand each other and where they're going to be,
Speaker 1: it looks unpredictable.
Speaker 5: Z A.
Speaker 1: Flowers has a little bit of Antonio Brown to him,
Speaker 1: where it's like I'll run the route that just gets
Speaker 1: me open and you figure it out. And Lamar and
Speaker 1: him are great at putting that together. So Lamar is
Speaker 1: on my underpaid team. I just decided let's go through
Speaker 1: the veteran contracts. Obviously the best rookies. The guys who
Speaker 1: are on rookie contracts still like a Puka Nakua, are
Speaker 1: the most underpaid players in the NFL because they just
Speaker 1: haven't gotten that veteran contract. I wanted this to be
Speaker 1: limited to veterans who are the most underpaid. Lamar is
Speaker 1: my quarterback fifty two million dollars a year, which sounds
Speaker 1: pretty great, but it's still, you know, over ten under
Speaker 1: the top guys and less than Brock Purty, Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence does act as his own agent, but it's
Speaker 1: more about that he's like the next up and he's
Speaker 1: going into a contract year. Lamar Jackson my pretty clear
Speaker 1: all underpaid quarterback at running back. It's a guy who
Speaker 1: signed pretty recently, James Cook only at eleven million dollars
Speaker 1: per year. Like, what kind of shocking that James Cook
Speaker 1: is making half as much as the top running backs
Speaker 1: in this market and he's probably not gonna get his
Speaker 1: next deal this this These numbers are from the over
Speaker 1: the Cap website, so thank you to them. What do
Speaker 1: you what do you think like Lamar is gonna get
Speaker 1: with the Ravens. Do you think he will be the
Speaker 1: highest paid quarterback in the league. Do you think it'll
Speaker 1: happen before this year? Like, how do you think this
Speaker 1: all plays out? It's pretty crazy to have a player
Speaker 1: this good going into his contract year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that he'll probably get past Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll get past sixty four million
Speaker 3: per year with Patrick Mahomes because of the way that
Speaker 3: they've structured that and then allows him to kind of
Speaker 3: get in that range. But I mean, it's the perfect
Speaker 3: time it's going to happen, because it has to happen
Speaker 3: before next year. His cap number next year is eighty
Speaker 3: four point three million dollars. You have to stretch that
Speaker 3: out over the future. So he's gonna get a raise,
Speaker 3: it's gonna climb the charts, and it should. But because
Speaker 3: of where the quarterbacks rankings, you know, get deep into
Speaker 3: the numbers, the nerd category, the financial nerd category of
Speaker 3: this podcast. Beneath maybe you have to do attatch between
Speaker 3: beneath Patrick Mahomes and Dak Prescott. You have four quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: five quarterbacks. Yeah, counting, it's hard to count a spreadsheet
Speaker 3: for me, but fifty five million dollars per year for
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford, Jordan Loved, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, and Josh Allen.
Speaker 4: I think Lamar will pass all of them.
Speaker 3: Get in that Dak and Patrick Mahomes range because it
Speaker 3: has to happen. But and I agree, I think that
Speaker 3: he is relatively underpaid. James Cook, I think is the
Speaker 3: better point of the two, as crazy as it sounds,
Speaker 3: because the guy you led the NFL in rushing last
Speaker 3: year sixteen twenty one yards on thousand, six hundred twenty
Speaker 3: one yards, twelve touchdowns, he's been the engine. We give
Speaker 3: all the credit in the world to Josh Allen, as
Speaker 3: we should, but he has been the real counterbalance to
Speaker 3: Josh Allen.
Speaker 4: The real engine of the offense.
Speaker 3: His success has allowed Josh Allen to be that much
Speaker 3: better as a quarterback. And yet the way that they
Speaker 3: handled this contract, there was a period there where it
Speaker 3: felt like the Bills just weren't interested in paying him,
Speaker 3: and then they he ended up, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: forcing their hand, but they kind of went out. But
Speaker 3: with this deal, I mean, there's a number of running
Speaker 3: backs that are well ahead of him in apy, some
Speaker 3: guys who signed recently, some guys you didn't sign recently,
Speaker 3: you've got immediately in front of him, or Josh Jacobs, Travstn,
Speaker 3: Alvin Kamara, Jeremiah Love on a rookie contract, Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 3: Like he should be making more money than some of
Speaker 3: these guys, Kenneth Walker, who just signed this year, and
Speaker 3: yet he's you know, he's under contract through twenty twenty
Speaker 3: nine now, So that's elaborated it be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. And I don't want to root
Speaker 1: for management in these cases. No, And someone pointed out, well,
Speaker 1: but John Robinson has the highest guaranteed of the running backs.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, he doesn't, because a rookie Jeremiah Love
Speaker 1: actually had more guaranteed money than him, which is just
Speaker 1: if nothing else, Bijon should have just held their feet
Speaker 1: to the fire extended this thing a few more weeks,
Speaker 1: but he wanted to get back with his team. The
Speaker 1: rest of my all underpaid team Mike Evans, but that
Speaker 1: was partly by choice. He took less money to go
Speaker 1: to San Francisco, but he is less making less money
Speaker 1: per year than Josh Palmer, which is crazy. Nico Collins
Speaker 1: somehow just signed a raise a deal, and yet because
Speaker 1: they got him at such a discount early rate, he
Speaker 1: still is underpaid. To me at tight end, I couldn't
Speaker 1: really find a great tight end Chicko Conqua, I thought,
Speaker 1: actually will wind up being underpaid to the rookie. The
Speaker 1: guys on the rookie contract, Brock Powers and Colston Lovelin
Speaker 1: were my choice there. The offensive line, Andrew Thomas got
Speaker 1: a ton of guaranteed money, but he is an elite
Speaker 1: left tackle that is only making twenty three million dollars
Speaker 1: per year and they hold his rights for another like
Speaker 1: four or five years. That is going to age extremely
Speaker 1: well for the Giants, so he's never gonna leave there.
Speaker 1: At defensive tackle, it's Videvea who's looking for a trade.
Speaker 1: Cam Hayward is still at at a good price. I
Speaker 1: know he's old, but he's still playing at a very
Speaker 1: high level. And then his teammate is my choice at edge,
Speaker 1: Alex Heismith only making seventeen million dollars a year, only
Speaker 1: got twenty seven million dollars guaranteed. He is due a
Speaker 1: new contract. At linebacker, I liked Fred Warner still, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that contract's fairly recent, but he's just so
Speaker 1: good that kind of similar to Bajhon Robinson. Wow, he's
Speaker 1: only making twenty one million dollars a year, Like that's
Speaker 1: like David Edwards money, like the guard for the Saints.
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's impressive. And then Jalen Petree is
Speaker 1: my defensive back at thirteen million dollars a year. He's
Speaker 1: kind of transitioned into a nickelback. He was a safety.
Speaker 1: But man, that is that is a bargain. So those
Speaker 1: are that's my all underpaid team. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone stands out or anyone else you wanted to put
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 3: I have an issue with classification when it comes to
Speaker 3: some of these guys who are listed as linebackers but
Speaker 3: they're living more in an edge roll Nick Herbig is
Speaker 3: one of those guys, because when you're trying to compare
Speaker 3: Alex Highsmith's contract, you have to factor in Herbig, and
Speaker 3: then you have to consider the Steelers overall cap situation.
Speaker 3: They obviously have a ton of money dedicated to JJAT
Speaker 3: or tj WAT excuse me, at forty one million dollars
Speaker 3: per year. And then you go down the list and
Speaker 3: it's like, if you combine edge and linebacker salaries, you
Speaker 3: got to go pretty far down to find high Smith
Speaker 3: at seventeen per year. You get Herbig at twenty five
Speaker 3: per year. They're kind of operating, I mean, within the
Speaker 3: same financial poll, but it's also the same positional pool
Speaker 3: for the most part. But then again, you look at
Speaker 3: the Steeler's cap space three million dollars as of right now,
Speaker 3: four point nine projected next year according to over the
Speaker 3: cap It balloons in twenty twenty eight. But it explains
Speaker 3: why high Smith is far down on that list.
Speaker 1: And he might get traded. I think this is going
Speaker 1: to be his last year on the team. So that's
Speaker 1: our quick all underpaid team. And yeah, but John Robinson
Speaker 1: might immediately go on it because he's that good. Some
Speaker 1: notes in terms of injuries around the NFL. On this Tuesday,
Speaker 1: the Jets rookie tight end Kenyan Sidiq is out. Sounds
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be a little while. Aaron Glenn sounded
Speaker 1: optimistic that his rookie tight end could be back for
Speaker 1: Week one, but he's already been out for three days
Speaker 1: and what I hate to hear is that it's a
Speaker 1: recurrence of this growing hernia issue that he's struggled with
Speaker 1: a little bit coming into the draft out of Oregon.
Speaker 1: So there's been a lot of positivity about the Jets
Speaker 1: offense at training camp so far, some Jets fans wondering
Speaker 1: is that a bad sign about their defense?
Speaker 2: Either way.
Speaker 1: Kenyan Sidik who is going to be a real weapon
Speaker 1: next to Mason Taylor, that is one to watch. I'd
Speaker 1: be really disappointed if we don't get like full city
Speaker 1: to start this season because I'm in on that Jets
Speaker 1: Titans Week one game. It's it looks ugly, but I
Speaker 1: want to see what it looks like.
Speaker 3: I just want to see what you and yet Bob
Speaker 3: solid revenge opportunity there Titans too.
Speaker 4: That makes it even juicier.
Speaker 3: I always worry about core muscle injuries now the groin
Speaker 3: herney is a little bit different than your traditional core
Speaker 3: muscle injury. But like I think about when I think
Speaker 3: it was Odell's first year in Cleveland, where nobody really
Speaker 3: knew that he was dealing with a core muscle injury
Speaker 3: for most of the year. But talking to him, talking
Speaker 3: to Jarvis Landry, who was dealing with a hip injury
Speaker 3: that entire season, you understood by the end of it
Speaker 3: why they were limited in the way that they were.
Speaker 3: And I would hate for a guy like Sadik, who
Speaker 3: is an athletic freak. That is his greatest strength is
Speaker 3: his athleticism. He still kind of needs to work on
Speaker 3: hands consistency. I would hate for him to have to
Speaker 3: deal with that in his first year in the NFL.
Speaker 3: When the level is raised, your athleticism is more important
Speaker 3: than ever. If you're limited by something like that lowers
Speaker 3: your ceiling. I would hate that because I'm excited. That's
Speaker 3: one of the twelve personnel groups that I'm most excited
Speaker 3: to watch this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are so many times where I can remember
Speaker 1: a second year player and the off season storyline is, well,
Speaker 1: I missed that time in training camp and he never
Speaker 1: really caught up was banged up rookie, I mean, and
Speaker 1: it makes sense that just like you, you never really
Speaker 1: catch up.
Speaker 2: You need that time in camp. So I'll keep you
Speaker 2: keeping an eye on that.
Speaker 1: Some other injuries, DeVante Smith and mackay Lemon are out
Speaker 1: of practice for the Eagles on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Will see if those are series.
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson has also been away for the team for
Speaker 1: three days for personal reasons. I check out the Zach
Speaker 1: Jackson and Friends podcast covering the Browns. He thought day
Speaker 1: five for Day and Pads was another day where Shadur
Speaker 1: Sanders one, and that Shadur Sanders is clearly winning this
Speaker 1: quarterback competition so far, and that the rookie wide receivers
Speaker 1: are looking good there. We'll see if the Browns agree
Speaker 1: and if that continues. One guy who doesn't have to
Speaker 1: battle for his job anymore is Matthew Stafford and our
Speaker 1: producer Eric Roberts on the ones and twos running back
Speaker 1: and forth playing and the sound drops. I thought this
Speaker 1: was an interesting SoundBite here from Stafford that just kind
Speaker 1: of speaks to where the Rams are at right now.
Speaker 6: You know, there was a lot of high quality plays
Speaker 6: out there, plays that you know in the books will
Speaker 6: go down as good for the offense, and in the
Speaker 6: books that will go down as good for the defense
Speaker 6: that sometimes you just tip your cap, you know. I mean,
Speaker 6: they covered a couple things really nicely and were plays
Speaker 6: where maybe in a game they shake out a little
Speaker 6: bit differently, go to the ground or whatever it is.
Speaker 6: But like, man, that's as high quality of practice football
Speaker 6: as I've been around.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. I'm looking forward to being there on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: We will you know, talk to the team and everything
Speaker 1: that'll go up on Thursday. But for a veteran like that,
Speaker 1: who's looking kind of swoo Matthew Stafford right now, definitely
Speaker 1: ready to go for the season, Like it's going to
Speaker 1: benefit that offense and that defense to go up against
Speaker 1: each other throughout camp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the old saying the cliche iron sharpens iron.
Speaker 4: Everything has good.
Speaker 3: Vibes coming out of the Rams camp right now, and
Speaker 3: it's going to continue to be that way for as
Speaker 3: long as there's every reason for that to be like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't want an injury or something terrible
Speaker 3: to happen, but understandably so, everybody's excited about what they
Speaker 3: have and it's good to hear that they're a well
Speaker 3: oiled machine at this point in training camp, when you're
Speaker 3: working out a lot of kinks elsewhere. But I do
Speaker 3: have one recommendation, and this is so superficial, and I
Speaker 3: know it doesn't matter, but the shirt that Matthew Stafford
Speaker 3: was wearing, it looked like he just got off of
Speaker 3: a water ride at an amusement park.
Speaker 4: That's bad.
Speaker 2: That's bad.
Speaker 4: Matt, pick a better shirt.
Speaker 3: I know it doesn't matter, it's under your pads, but
Speaker 3: like when it comes to the press conference, just wear
Speaker 3: something better.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're saying that's not it's not flattering.
Speaker 4: It's not flattering.
Speaker 2: It just looked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does look like it that the shirt you wear,
Speaker 1: or at least that a man of my age wears
Speaker 1: at the public pool like in Vegas.
Speaker 3: If you're there, Yes, yes, I just got off the
Speaker 3: front row of the log flume. I'm drenched with my
Speaker 3: kids and I'm ready to take a family photo.
Speaker 4: Now, let's pick a better shirt.
Speaker 2: I mean, he is a family man. He's got like
Speaker 2: four daughters.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Netflix and their broadcasts of NFL games
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1: Nick Foles and Clay Matthews added to the Netflix crew.
Speaker 1: So their set is l Duncan, who hosts all the
Speaker 1: Netflix sports now, Michael Irvin's who's been with Netflix now
Speaker 1: like that, and Nick Foles and Clay Matthews like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's see it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, is this the same This is the
Speaker 3: same platform that Luke Keley's gonna be on.
Speaker 1: Right, Lukekley will be the game broadcast correct? Yeah, with
Speaker 1: no E loook and I think they're going to try
Speaker 1: to like make it the same group throughout. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna be watching. It's Australia, it's the second game of
Speaker 1: the season, it's a big game like Rams forty nine
Speaker 1: ers matters, and this is the crew.
Speaker 2: So I always like to keep an eye on the
Speaker 2: new broadcasting talent. Is Nick Foles gonna be inspiring? And
Speaker 2: see he was sometimes pretty good at at the podium.
Speaker 2: I could see him being okay, as.
Speaker 3: Long as we don't get a cameo from a random
Speaker 3: former player and a cross sport involvement like Jamis Winston
Speaker 3: pushing a hot dog cart at this season opener and
Speaker 3: Netflix's MLB coverage.
Speaker 1: Let's not do that, or Bert Kreischer like a comedian,
Speaker 1: and then we don't need We don't need that. We
Speaker 1: don't need a lot on Nick Foles's nickname either, some
Speaker 1: other nugs around camp. Derek Moore, who is the rookie
Speaker 1: edge for the Lions that they are counting on to
Speaker 1: really play a lot for them, is going to be
Speaker 1: out for about a week, maybe ten days with an injury.
Speaker 1: Brian Branch reportedly looking pretty good on the side field
Speaker 1: according to Colton Pouncy of the Athletic and some optimism
Speaker 1: that he could be back for Week one. The Dolphins
Speaker 1: tight end Greg Dolsch has been out for a little while,
Speaker 1: could be out next week, but just wanted to note
Speaker 1: that and then happy trails to Akello Weatherspoon, a former
Speaker 1: RAM last year and forty nine er before that who
Speaker 1: was placed on the reserve retired list. There's been a
Speaker 1: couple of these each day. There are a couple of
Speaker 1: players I'm not as familiar with, but just like guys
Speaker 1: who the gaming in them, no more so nice veteran
Speaker 1: career for a Keller Witherspoon. Let's wrap up by talking
Speaker 1: about these QB tears that are out from Mike Sando.
Speaker 1: I told you I wanted to just mention it at
Speaker 1: the end of the show right before we started, and
Speaker 1: there was something on there that just.
Speaker 2: Gave you, like the the what like just like you went,
Speaker 2: absolutely what what?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: That wasn't an invitations?
Speaker 5: What what it was?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: It was like the reaction that people have in the
Speaker 1: stills for the YouTube videos, which we need more of.
Speaker 2: Frankly, Eric, it's like, you know, it's like stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You can use that one. What was it, Chuck?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: What was it that made you do that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: That's like outlined. It's like a heavy stroke in the
Speaker 3: outline there. Okay, So first off, shouts to the Athletics
Speaker 3: graphics team. You guys always do a fantastic job. And
Speaker 3: I thought this is a perfect way to visualize these tiers.
Speaker 3: So at the top of this article there is this
Speaker 3: pyramid style graphic in which Trick Mahomes is at the
Speaker 3: top and there's little subheads, little descriptions that explain why
Speaker 3: they land there. Yeah, and it said Patrick Mahomes is
Speaker 3: no longer a unanimous Tier one quarterback and I went, what, Yeah, really,
Speaker 3: there's a GM out there that believes that Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 3: what what is not a Tier one quarter.
Speaker 2: Or a coach. It's fifty.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a little misleading, like it's fifty votes.
Speaker 1: I guess he's probably a bunch of haters. Like it's
Speaker 1: literally one hater who thinks he's a Tier two quarterback.
Speaker 1: Look for this season alone, he was coming off at
Speaker 1: Torney Co. And we did our quarterbacks draft. I think
Speaker 1: we had him third or fourth, which felt disrespectful, but
Speaker 1: because of the injury, but overall, yeah, he it is
Speaker 1: a little crazy, but it's one guy that's a little crazy.
Speaker 1: It's you know, Josh Allen had two guys who did
Speaker 1: not think he was Tier one. Same thing with Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was the last guy in tier one. And
Speaker 1: that's where I was by far most surprised that Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow is a li locked in Tier one quarterback according
Speaker 1: to them. Okay, I'm fine with that forty six votes
Speaker 1: to four, and that Lamar Jackson is not twenty eight
Speaker 1: people put him in tier two. It's like they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't really live in a world where I put
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow ahead of Lamar Jackson in anything. Like you
Speaker 1: can't even say last year, where which was Lamar Jackson's
Speaker 1: worst year in a while, it was that big of
Speaker 1: difference because Joe Burrow wasn't healthy and Joe Burrow's very
Speaker 1: often not healthy, and so that is curious to me
Speaker 1: that Lamar got bumped down that far off of when
Speaker 1: he's not getting like the grace certainly that Mahomes gets
Speaker 1: and he shouldn't overall, but he did when you know,
Speaker 1: two out of the last three first team All Pros
Speaker 1: and nearly two out of the last three MVPs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we're moving the goalpost here. The rubric
Speaker 3: has changing based on the quarterback that we're evaluating. Because
Speaker 3: if you want to complain about Lamar and maybe not
Speaker 3: finishing every season healthier playing all seventeen games, we can
Speaker 3: say the same exact thing about Joe Burrow. And yes,
Speaker 3: I think Joe Burrow is a better pastor than them Jackson,
Speaker 3: but overall talent, they both belong in the same category.
Speaker 3: I don't know why we would dispute it otherwise. Lamar
Speaker 3: went down. His voting average was one point five to six.
Speaker 3: It declined by nearly half of a tier for what
Speaker 3: what reason? Because this are we treating this like MVP voting? Well, oh,
Speaker 3: teams quarterback of the best team.
Speaker 2: He played through injury poorly.
Speaker 1: But again, like I'm not holding against Joe Burrow that
Speaker 1: when he started the season poorly coming off some of
Speaker 1: these offseason injuries, it's like, yeah, he's rounding into form,
Speaker 1: and yeah it was not the Lamar that you normally
Speaker 1: expect to see if he's not healthy. He was still
Speaker 1: fifth on the list, so I'm not going to go
Speaker 1: too crazy here. Probably the other surprise, I mean, Drake
Speaker 1: may is down in tier two. You gotta they gotta earn.
Speaker 1: He's got to earn, like his his love from the group.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you have him tied with Goff right below,
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and Dak Prescott. Not how i'd see him,
Speaker 1: but I get that he has to earn it, and
Speaker 1: I do like that. The coaches and GM's in content
Speaker 1: is were pretty similar to how we finished. When we
Speaker 1: talked quarterbacks, I had Purty tenth and Jordan Love like
Speaker 1: eighth or ninth. Jordan Love ends up tenth, Purty ends
Speaker 1: up eleventh, tied with Caleb Williams, Jade and Daniels next
Speaker 1: at thirteen. That is all very similar. Where I disagreed
Speaker 1: the most was CJ. Stroud actually being way lower at
Speaker 1: twenty like but behind Bonicks, behind Baker Mayfield, who's up
Speaker 1: there at fourteen.
Speaker 2: I know it was a rough end to the year,
Speaker 2: behind Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: You're laughing, but come on, bro I managed to think, well, wait,
Speaker 3: hold on, this is something that I do weekly during
Speaker 3: the season. I have an entire spreadsheet for the week
Speaker 3: by week comparison. So I went to the end of
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 4: Nailed it. Bo Knicks was eighteenth on my list.
Speaker 3: CJ Stroud was twentieth on my Listkay last year at
Speaker 3: the end of last year. But that is one season
Speaker 3: that is not the overall reputation. But it does make
Speaker 3: me smile a little bit when a lot of these
Speaker 3: end up landing pretty close to where I had them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one where I think it'll change. Like to me,
Speaker 1: he is absolutely at that level with a Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: And you know, Trevor Warren's not getting a lot of love,
Speaker 1: which I think was interesting that he still has to
Speaker 1: prove it down there at sixteen where the coaches in
Speaker 1: the GMS kind of want to see the consistency out
Speaker 1: of him, but pretty significantly below where Brock Purdy and
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams are, for instance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they gave Jayden Daniels, and look, there's
Speaker 3: only been two seasons with Jaden Daniels. One was amazing,
Speaker 3: one was extremely forgettable and just a nightmare because of
Speaker 3: health issues. I think they gave him a little bit
Speaker 3: too much credit in placing him there.
Speaker 4: But that's projection. I think a lot of this is projection.
Speaker 3: But if we're going off of projection, I believe that
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence is going to climb in this ranking too.
Speaker 3: Sixteen makes sense because I was in that camp too,
Speaker 3: where it was like, I don't know, I don't think
Speaker 3: he's ever going to get to that level that the
Speaker 3: Jaguars are paying him to be at.
Speaker 4: And then I saw the second half.
Speaker 3: Of last season and I'm really excited to see if
Speaker 3: he can replicate that this year from the first week
Speaker 3: on with Liam Cohen an hear two. If that happens,
Speaker 3: he will climb and he will finally turn his reputation
Speaker 3: into something that's closer to the potential that he's always
Speaker 3: been given since he was a Clemson.
Speaker 1: Here's a thing, though, he is the last like solidly
Speaker 1: tier two quarterback. That second tier was massive, So they're
Speaker 1: putting him in the same tier as Herbert and lamar
Speaker 1: in Drake may As just like a big Tier two
Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts is the definition of kind of the
Speaker 1: median of the NFL right now, stuck between Tier two
Speaker 1: and two, Tier three, twenty five votes for Tier two,
Speaker 1: twenty five votes for Tier three, and then the next
Speaker 1: you know, spots down as I mentioned were Bo Nicks
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in CJ. Stroud absolutely outrageous and it calls
Speaker 1: the entire votes into question that one person put to
Speaker 1: Shaun Watson as a as a Tier two vote. One
Speaker 1: person also had Aaron Rodgers as a Tier one vote.
Speaker 1: Like It's why I like to point out sometimes like
Speaker 1: not everyone in the league I knows what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: There are plenty of coaches in GM that don't watch
Speaker 1: the other teams that I value your opinion and many
Speaker 1: other media's opinion much more than some of the people
Speaker 1: in the league, including the guy who gave Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: a Tier two vote.
Speaker 4: Wow, you could.
Speaker 3: You could throw one hundred cards blindly at the dartboard
Speaker 3: and you'd still end up with a lower ranking than
Speaker 3: high the tier ranking that they that one person gave
Speaker 3: to Shaun Watson. I mean, my God, you're just not
Speaker 3: watching the game.
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray down there at twenty three. That feels about
Speaker 1: right right now. Daniel Jones at twenty. I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting they sorted the class of twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: quarterbacks Dart cam Ward and Tyler Schuck in that order.
Speaker 1: I would probably have the reverse order, but they had
Speaker 1: them all extremely close, so ultimately it's those three guys.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting to track over time, like how they separate.
Speaker 1: You've separated yourself two shows in three days. Here Shook
Speaker 1: very excited about what's coming up in the Nick Shook world.
Speaker 2: And you've also got got a big column coming out
Speaker 2: next week. Is that right too? Or is that this week?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're just going to see a lot
Speaker 3: of me with different columns. Okay, all next in the
Speaker 3: weeks ahead and Pro Football Hall game coverage. That'sday night, baby, Okay.
Speaker 3: I look forward to seeing what you write, what you
Speaker 3: say in Canton. Will be doing a live show after
Speaker 3: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I know the game
Speaker 3: itself is not that big, it's not gonna be big
Speaker 3: takes from that, but we just thought it'd be fun
Speaker 3: to kick off the first primetime game of the Year
Speaker 3: with a live show on YouTube, So check out myself
Speaker 3: and Jordan rod.
Speaker 1: Reed for that show. But we got a couple shows
Speaker 1: before we even get to that. That's going to be
Speaker 1: at eight pm Eastern Thursday night. Before that, we are
Speaker 1: going to have an AFC South preview with a first
Speaker 1: time NFL Daily guest that is coming in your feed
Speaker 1: on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: We will see that