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Speaker 3: Chris Beam. Do you have the sounder?
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Speaker 4: What's the sounder that sounds like breaking news? Go ahead,
Speaker 4: it's rare. We rarely have breaking news off the top
Speaker 4: of the show in.
Speaker 5: The middle of the morning.
Speaker 3: We are developed nine AM podcast developing.
Speaker 1: It is developed development, breaking developing.
Speaker 4: Thank you for this is it though, I mean it's
Speaker 4: breaking comes to paper.
Speaker 3: What I'm about to say, is breaking developing.
Speaker 1: Development afterwards, it's breaking, but it's.
Speaker 5: Breaking right now that there's a lot of things in
Speaker 5: development developing.
Speaker 4: Jadavi Clowney is in the building. That is the breaking news.
Speaker 1: I like him.
Speaker 3: He is here. He is on a visit with the
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: He just having breakfast her.
Speaker 3: No, he's having a workout.
Speaker 6: I thought it was no C. Honestly when I saw
Speaker 6: him originally, I was like, that looks like no C.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: He just hit the gym and grew You're a liar,
Speaker 1: but I love you. No, it's definitely been confirmed that
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clunty is in the building. Yeah, so we'll see
Speaker 1: how that goes. He's here for a tryout slash workout
Speaker 1: with the Dallas Cowboys from a first round pick. Everyone
Speaker 1: knows Javeon Clowney very well. If you are even a
Speaker 1: remotely casual NFL fan, you know of Jadeveon Clowney and
Speaker 1: his contributions to his respective teams over the years. Free
Speaker 1: agent right now Cowboys obviously goes without saying they move
Speaker 1: on from Michael Parsons, get Kenny Clark in the building,
Speaker 1: but they want to see apparently a veteran a mercenary,
Speaker 1: if you will, if you will, if you will, a
Speaker 1: mercenary come in and help their young budding pass rush.
Speaker 1: So we will see if they can come to terms
Speaker 1: on a deal with Jadeveon Clowney. Right now, it's just
Speaker 1: a conversation and the workout and we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's still got some tread left on
Speaker 1: those tires. I mean, he averaged I think five and
Speaker 1: a half, if almost six sacks between the last two.
Speaker 1: Actually between the last two he had five and a
Speaker 1: half a year prior. He had nine and a half
Speaker 1: the year prior. Oh better still yeah better, nine.
Speaker 6: And a half of Baltimore in seventeen games and four
Speaker 6: times and a half fourteen stone the Panthers. Yeah, so
Speaker 6: he still got some trail left on the tires, to
Speaker 6: say the least. And I mean, obviously I'm with it
Speaker 6: goes without saying. The reason I say developing is because again,
Speaker 6: if you know Jadavion Clowney, then you know that you
Speaker 6: have to pay today Yon Clowney. If you know the
Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys, you know that typically that becomes a part
Speaker 6: of the talking.
Speaker 1: Points, right, So that's what I mean. It's it's definitely
Speaker 1: promising optimistic. I love the fact that in the Shattenhamany
Speaker 1: era they're going out and they're trying to resolve some
Speaker 1: things ahead of time. Last four seasons, twenty six sacks.
Speaker 1: Is that good? That's pretty good.
Speaker 5: Guy that's thirty two years old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would take five and a half sacks. Ye,
Speaker 3: sign me up.
Speaker 1: If you get just take six on a one year deal.
Speaker 3: Sure you know, yeah, you give me four and a
Speaker 3: half sacks. I'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Give them three million dollars one year deal for six secs.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll get six acts? Getting which one?
Speaker 1: Which one get free? Goes back to what I was saying.
Speaker 1: This is why we said developed.
Speaker 3: I think it's more like.
Speaker 4: I think it's more that's a fun game. I think
Speaker 4: it's more likely that you would get him for three than.
Speaker 1: He would get six sacts.
Speaker 4: He's it's weak in the middle of the week for
Speaker 4: two of the NFL season.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 4: And he's still sitting in our building having breakfast at
Speaker 4: the training table.
Speaker 3: He's not a hype.
Speaker 1: Nothing for a veteran at thirty, nothing for a veteran.
Speaker 6: It means, especially when their named David, we just talked
Speaker 6: about yesterday you want to make you want to make
Speaker 6: a show. Bet, We just talked about veterans that are
Speaker 6: available for that. Are that are mercenaries? Okay, guys that
Speaker 6: are available sitting at the crib, higher gun, higher higher
Speaker 6: hit man guys. Those guys typically aren't on rosters week one.
Speaker 5: Why they want to feel it out and and the rule.
Speaker 6: For a week two exactly, veteran veteran football players, if
Speaker 6: you're on your roster week one, your whole season is
Speaker 6: guaranteed in terms of your contract. That's why some of
Speaker 6: these guys, guys like him are sitting at the crib
Speaker 6: up until week two.
Speaker 3: So what would you think it would cost snag a guy.
Speaker 6: Like I think probably you got pay him probably five five?
Speaker 4: How about we how about we split the difference four
Speaker 4: and under, four and under five, four and above. You
Speaker 4: and I make a show bet right now? Hey, okay,
Speaker 4: four and under is my.
Speaker 3: Side, four and above is yours?
Speaker 1: Hot sauce, hot five sentims. What is that? Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: we're talking base.
Speaker 3: What goes to the salary cap?
Speaker 1: Base, not escalators?
Speaker 3: Three and a half base you're right there, Well.
Speaker 1: No, it's not the same thing.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about the potential Cowboys if they're able to
Speaker 6: put his deal off. If they if they are able
Speaker 6: to come to agreement, he shows up, he's able to
Speaker 6: have a good workout, they say, you know what, yay,
Speaker 6: let's move forward. There is going to be in you're
Speaker 6: dealing with the Dallas Cowboys, right, You're dealing with the
Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys signing a veteran who's was a mercenary. Okay,
Speaker 6: it's going to be incentive heavy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Performance, yea performance. So that being said, I'll stick with
Speaker 1: my three as the base and I'm still right there
Speaker 1: at one point two five incentives, so full point two
Speaker 1: five max.
Speaker 5: And if our incentives, I hope he makes them. And
Speaker 5: you're only making a position that already has like decent depth,
Speaker 5: arguably better, which is something that we haven't done in
Speaker 5: a while.
Speaker 1: Not decent depth with pass rushers.
Speaker 5: That's fair, that is, I think your ends have a
Speaker 5: decent depth. But like you said, for that specific role
Speaker 5: that he brings, correct, you don't have that player right now. Correct.
Speaker 1: But one thing, so, what do you know about Jadavian Clowney?
Speaker 6: Will you know that he's a he's a large human
Speaker 6: being who's well respected.
Speaker 1: He's not what he used to be.
Speaker 5: So he looks like myself.
Speaker 6: He's so he's he's tall, he was in great shape. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he's tall, he's lanky, he's a big body. But he's violent.
Speaker 6: And I don't care what year you want to I
Speaker 6: don't care what year you want to go point to,
Speaker 6: is he's violent at the point of it attack. He
Speaker 6: is going to pursue the quarterback with reckless abandonment. So
Speaker 6: like in terms of the energy and the culture that
Speaker 6: you're trying to create on this defensive front, he goes
Speaker 6: along with what you have out and and he adds
Speaker 6: a pass rush element.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: I think you have Marshaw Kneeland, who's really your He's
Speaker 6: a he's a two gap kind of guy, right, He's
Speaker 6: gonna push the pocket type of dude.
Speaker 1: He's not really a true pass rusher.
Speaker 6: You have Dante Fowler who's here to rush the passer, right,
Speaker 6: coming off his twelve and a half sacks from last year.
Speaker 6: Donovan Azeraka, you draft him to be your pass rusher,
Speaker 6: but we saw how light he was last week and
Speaker 6: kind of got thrown around a little bit. It's gonna
Speaker 6: take some time, right, So it's not to say he's
Speaker 6: not going to be have an impact, but it's gonna
Speaker 6: take him.
Speaker 1: Some time, right, Like, be realistic.
Speaker 6: You saw him versus ones last week, and as an
Speaker 6: ownership group and as a front office, you have to understand, Okay,
Speaker 6: let's give this young man some time. Let's not put
Speaker 6: so much pressure on him to be our guy right now.
Speaker 6: I oppose from Dante Fowler. So outside of those guys,
Speaker 6: you don't have a guy that you're like, yeah, that's
Speaker 6: my pass rusher in third down situation.
Speaker 1: So you need a guy that can go do that
Speaker 1: situational and he would be a great addition in that capacity.
Speaker 1: And I mentioned it a few minutes ago. I love
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, however you feel about the
Speaker 1: Michael Parson's trade, it's done. It's in the books there
Speaker 1: it is. But when you look at Schottenheimer, he's not
Speaker 1: and Will McLay, they're not resting on the laurels of
Speaker 1: what we know what Israku can be, we know what
Speaker 1: Sam Williams can be, we know what Marshaun Naland can be.
Speaker 1: They're saying that all of that's true, but it's also
Speaker 1: true that we're not going to wait around to find
Speaker 1: out that they can be the impact piece. We're gonna
Speaker 1: let the year progress and they're going to one of
Speaker 1: one or multiples of those guys are going to turn
Speaker 1: out to be impact guys before this year is over.
Speaker 1: But why not bring in the mercenary that's proven and
Speaker 1: still has trade left you Well?
Speaker 6: Also, best case scenario, right, you have these young guys
Speaker 6: that are you're giving them time to develop and they're
Speaker 6: hoping that you that they contribute in the way that
Speaker 6: you like them.
Speaker 1: To earlier then later. Right, But if the best.
Speaker 6: Case scenario is you bring in some veterans that are
Speaker 6: plug and play guys can execute your game plan that
Speaker 6: you're trying to get accomplished, and then if you're young
Speaker 6: guys come along faster than you were hoping. Now you
Speaker 6: have waves of defensive linemen and I keep going back
Speaker 6: to that, especially in this division, your defensive line, you
Speaker 6: need two waves of defensive alignment. You need d ends
Speaker 6: that you can come in in waves, and you need
Speaker 6: interior d linemen that you can have in waves waves.
Speaker 6: If you're able to do that in this division and
Speaker 6: in this game of football where the top teams are
Speaker 6: getting bigger and bigger and bigger, at the offensive line position,
Speaker 6: you have a chance.
Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles are big upfront.
Speaker 6: If you want to talk about going the going to
Speaker 6: going outside the outside of the conference, the teams that
Speaker 6: you're gonna have to face if you're able to get
Speaker 6: to the big show, those guys are huge. Okay, if
Speaker 6: they're huge, why did KC struggle last year? Why did
Speaker 6: they struggle last week? Because they again pushed around up front? Right,
Speaker 6: the hardballs have figured it out like this is our
Speaker 6: this is our reperts woild We get big fellas up
Speaker 6: front that move people.
Speaker 1: Yep, whether it's Baltimore or whether that's that's the charger.
Speaker 6: So teams are realizing that the trenches is where it
Speaker 6: all starts and ends. And we can obviously sprinkle in
Speaker 6: our position. Guys, we still need your skill guys and
Speaker 6: guys that go make plays. But at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, we control the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5: Let me just ask you guys with this really quickly.
Speaker 5: Jevin Clowney, he's a name that we all know. I
Speaker 5: don't think I think his name has a lot of
Speaker 5: pedigree behind it. I don't know that he's that player
Speaker 5: that a lot of people still think that he is.
Speaker 5: But my question is, does is this indicative to you
Speaker 5: guys of a difference in planning for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Do you think they're coming into this season with a
Speaker 5: different mindset that they have completely I haven't seen a
Speaker 5: move like this, particularly week two, signing a guy that
Speaker 5: you obviously need. I haven't seen this.
Speaker 1: Go back.
Speaker 6: I mean, we can go back into no Sea's repertoire,
Speaker 6: go back into the historic history books since Schunnenheimer has
Speaker 6: taken over, what moves have taken place here with the
Speaker 6: Dallas Capital.
Speaker 4: Trade for picking was a big one Murray right off
Speaker 4: the jump. Yeah, you signed s Kiril. Trade Murray, you
Speaker 4: trade for Kyrie Elam quite at you try, You trade
Speaker 4: Micah Parsons, which is an interesting deal. And then you
Speaker 4: turn around and Kenny Clark in return, who is incredible
Speaker 4: in his one game.
Speaker 1: This is this is this?
Speaker 5: This is a Schottenheimer two twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, interesting it is.
Speaker 4: It's a different mindset, okay, and I think I think
Speaker 4: it adds to the little bit to the formation of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five. Was not what the Micah Parsons trade
Speaker 4: was for, But oh goodness, Kenny Clark comes in and
Speaker 4: when he's on the field, the Cowboys allow two point
Speaker 4: seven yards per carry. When he's off the field, it's
Speaker 4: six point six yards per carry.
Speaker 3: In that first matchup. It is some science.
Speaker 4: It'll be on big flat, Big Facts later in the
Speaker 4: day as well. So when you talk about, yes, Kenny
Speaker 4: Clark showed up, and it's like, oh, we have a
Speaker 4: legitimate defensive tackle. We just got to finish the pass rush,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, our defensive line is still
Speaker 4: nasty even without Michael Parsons. And I think that's the
Speaker 4: realization that's happening here is, Hey, the defensive tackle room
Speaker 4: is much better than it was. Oh so Niggy Zoo
Speaker 4: one week one fourth highest pressure rate out of all
Speaker 4: defensive tackles.
Speaker 3: In the National Football League.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 4: Then you have Kenny Clark right there. Then you had
Speaker 4: Solomon Thomas who did some great things. You didn't even
Speaker 4: have Mazzie Smith active, and you can put him in
Speaker 4: the fold. Now that Perry On Winfrey's not in the
Speaker 4: fold and he's on IR for four weeks, so you
Speaker 4: have depth at that room officially because of Kenny Clark
Speaker 4: and what he's done.
Speaker 3: Then you bring in a Jadevian Clowney.
Speaker 4: Add that to the depth that you already have at
Speaker 4: the dresser spot, and hope somebody, whether it's Clowney or
Speaker 4: somebody else that's on the field, can finish and tackle
Speaker 4: the quarterback and sack the quarterback. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: I think we're looking at this defensive line in an
Speaker 4: entirely new mind.
Speaker 1: So let me add some more signs to the Clowney,
Speaker 1: to the Clowney situation, and it's more proof that Clowney
Speaker 1: very much still has tred left on his tires, even
Speaker 1: at thirty two years old, let's say thirty one. Last year,
Speaker 1: I just randomly went to next Gen Stats. Shout out
Speaker 1: to next Gen Stats. I chose a random game for
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney for the Panthers. Just a random game, any
Speaker 1: old game, any old game. Average get off in this
Speaker 1: particular game, this was against the Cincinnati Bengals and Trey Hendrickson. Okay,
Speaker 1: against that that team, zero point seven to six average
Speaker 1: get off that game, zero point seven six seconds. Is
Speaker 1: ridiculous in and of it. This was a guy was
Speaker 1: thirty one years old, and if you want perspective for that,
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons get off in the Peckers debut was like
Speaker 1: zero point seventy nine, So slower Jadeveon Clowney at thirty one,
Speaker 1: interesting had at least one game in which he was
Speaker 1: faster off the ball than Michael Parson's approaching peak levels.
Speaker 3: There's something left there, There's some.
Speaker 1: Bit, a little bit, a little.
Speaker 5: Bit, and if he's in a rotation that warrants him
Speaker 5: being fresh all game long. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3: Was there any injury concerned with him last year.
Speaker 1: That you got? He started fourteen games last year. Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of times if they bring in
Speaker 4: a guy and he's eating breakfast.
Speaker 1: From last year seventeen the year, there's.
Speaker 4: There's going to be some level of interest there. On
Speaker 4: the Cowboys side of things, I like it.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 4: I think it's an over the top move, No, but
Speaker 4: exactly how I just out it's another thing you can
Speaker 4: add to the to the list of moves you've already made.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I don't think they're done. I don't think
Speaker 5: they're I think shouldn't be. Like I said, I think
Speaker 5: this is indicative of a change of operation for the
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys, and how they're willing to operate now going forward. No,
Speaker 5: I feel you, Isaiah, We're not done.
Speaker 1: How do you feel him?
Speaker 5: I feel?
Speaker 1: Do you feel? I love? How you feel?
Speaker 4: Gentleman named Trell in the comments is clowning the guy
Speaker 4: Isaiah was talking about.
Speaker 3: We get that.
Speaker 5: But I'll take them.
Speaker 1: But I'll take them. They'll see what happened. No, I won't.
Speaker 1: I like it that he was potentially keep the man? Okay?
Speaker 3: One of those?
Speaker 5: All right, Isaiah, my how forward of you.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, sir, my.
Speaker 4: Friends. That's the one lostros spot that's open now.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys, yes, potential, potentially want to open.
Speaker 4: We'll see whether or not something develops out of that story.
Speaker 4: But Jadavian Clowney in the building today for a meeting
Speaker 4: with the cowboys.
Speaker 1: APO. Oh you guys are the same size? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Easy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know about that one.
Speaker 4: All right, News and notes, Patrick, anything else to stick out?
Speaker 3: Cowboys were off thatterday news.
Speaker 1: That was the news. Yeah, No, cowboys were off yesterday.
Speaker 1: No transactions that are of note. They they waved injured
Speaker 1: Christian Matthews defensive back. They brought in lad in training camp.
Speaker 1: Didn't have much of an impact, wasn't able to practice
Speaker 1: much dealt with some injuries, and now he's been sent
Speaker 1: a free agency with an injury settlement. And just outside
Speaker 1: the building, for those that were wondering, two former Cowboys,
Speaker 1: two former Cowboys draft picks found a home. We talk
Speaker 1: about the Panthers and jenevon Clowny potentially arriving from the Panthers. Well,
Speaker 1: the Panthers did sign Israel Mukwamu to their practice squad
Speaker 1: and Deuce Fawn with due Lands with Sean Payton, Buddyron
Speaker 1: huge for him. Guess who else is on the staff
Speaker 1: with Sean Payton, Darren Sprolls. I was about to say Sprolls, Wow,
Speaker 1: so that might be the perfect first star.
Speaker 5: That's awesome, a fortuitous arrangement.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 6: That's freaking awesome, dude. I love that for Duce. I
Speaker 6: love that for him.
Speaker 1: So two guys who deserved a first start somewhere they
Speaker 1: got it is gumble and we didn't get a successful career. Man.
Speaker 1: I just I just he just needed the system, he
Speaker 1: needed Sean Payton and Darren Sproull.
Speaker 4: Remember Sprolls, there was so much a comparison, There was
Speaker 4: so much a smaller running back guy with a similar
Speaker 4: skill set coming after Kansas State, strong built back.
Speaker 3: He took like three years or four years to find
Speaker 3: his groove.
Speaker 4: That's part of why I think Dallas was so reluctant,
Speaker 4: apart with the everybody Vaughn conversation.
Speaker 3: But they love to Douce.
Speaker 4: They loved who he was as a person, as a
Speaker 4: work worker, work ethic, all of those.
Speaker 3: Things check the box. I agree with you. I think
Speaker 3: there just needs to be a spot for dudes.
Speaker 5: They need to have him sort of premeditated in using
Speaker 5: him in the offense. They need to have a plan
Speaker 5: for him, and I don't think either. McCarthy definitely did
Speaker 5: not have that in mind. And I just don't think
Speaker 5: as we've gone along bringing in new running backs, I
Speaker 5: don't think that was the system that will fit you
Speaker 5: suited him best.
Speaker 1: Your point, who better to know what to do is
Speaker 1: awesome with bone than Darren Sproll?
Speaker 6: How cool is that for him to have him even
Speaker 6: as a mentor, that that's the gold standard, Like like
Speaker 6: who are you in the NFL? Well, there was one
Speaker 6: guy that was like me, who is that guy?
Speaker 1: Oh he's my coach, He's awesome, he's your coach in
Speaker 1: your head, coach kind of knows how to core with
Speaker 1: running backs who can operate him.
Speaker 5: Genuinely happy for the guy. I know, I know we're
Speaker 5: talking about the Broncos right now.
Speaker 1: But Broncos as much as we're talking about a cowboy
Speaker 1: as a cowboy. Yeah, and I'm not we will Cumble.
Speaker 1: I was still the shocking one of not shocking. It
Speaker 1: was surprising. It was surprising that he didn't make the
Speaker 1: fifty three. I'm not gonna say shocked, but I was surprised.
Speaker 4: Remember Sean Payton, did coach Darren Sprolls too? New Orleans
Speaker 4: boom boomed in around this question.
Speaker 1: Answer.
Speaker 6: The Matthews settlement was he wasn't on active, He wasn't
Speaker 6: on fifty three?
Speaker 1: Was he?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, no, he started on reserve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't count as a spot.
Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 4: funny how life works on you sometimes.
Speaker 3: But appreciate you taking PTO. And I don't know if
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Speaker 4: Took PTO yesterday. But hey, if you're watching after the fact,
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Speaker 5: If you're gonna take PTO to watch the show, it
Speaker 5: needs to be a say with your just Friday, I think, hmmm,
Speaker 5: I feel very confident in saying that.
Speaker 3: Week Huh is that your favorite day of the week.
Speaker 5: It's my favorite episode of the week.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, Unless he was planning to get on the phone,
Speaker 6: he missed the opportunity of mine is talking Talking Tuesday.
Speaker 3: I love Talking Tuesday. All the days have their different.
Speaker 4: And I teased it in the last segment, but there
Speaker 4: is a there's a formula to this whole thing.
Speaker 3: Tuesday is talking Tuesday, QB visions.
Speaker 4: Monday, you have Monday's the reaction day of course after
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 1: For the most part.
Speaker 4: Of course, this is all thrown off if we play
Speaker 4: on Monday or Thursday, but Tuesday's usually talking Tuesday. Wednesday
Speaker 4: we preview the Dallas defense versus the opponent's offense. Thursday
Speaker 4: you flip it Dallas offense versus the opponent defense, and
Speaker 4: we have the QB vision segment in segment two is
Speaker 4: usually how we kind of roll with that and then
Speaker 4: say it with your chest. Friday is a hodgepodge of
Speaker 4: whatever the biggest storyline, biggest topic, biggest pressing need. We'll
Speaker 4: play some games, we'll have some fun, and.
Speaker 3: We'll say it with our chest.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 3: They all have their own little appeal to me.
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you for using the word hodgepodge.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think it's utilized enough just
Speaker 1: in life in general.
Speaker 5: That's also an excellent rundown for anybody that's new to
Speaker 5: Talking Cowboys, you know, Yeah, because like you imagine, there
Speaker 5: are we of course, we have our people are faithfuls
Speaker 5: that have been here for a long time, myself included.
Speaker 5: I've been listening to to Talking Cowboys for years. But
Speaker 5: then you have people that are probably just now like
Speaker 5: figuring out, like, oh wait that there's the Dallas Cowys
Speaker 5: doing nine shows a day.
Speaker 4: To check these out, and it gives us some level
Speaker 4: of rhyme and reason to keep a consistency.
Speaker 3: Throughout the year.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have different topics of conversation, uh, but at
Speaker 4: least kind of the structure of it all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Wednesday's breaking news day. We'll always have breaking news for.
Speaker 4: You right here off the top of the show, I
Speaker 4: guaranteed all right. Cowboys defense taking on Russell Wilson and
Speaker 4: the Giants offense coach Schottenheimer was asked about it the
Speaker 4: other day because of his relationship with Russell Wilson during
Speaker 4: their time in Seattle.
Speaker 3: What does he do best?
Speaker 4: He said, He's one of the best deep ball throwers
Speaker 4: he's ever been around.
Speaker 3: Can he still do that? Yes, you think so?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: So what about with the.
Speaker 4: Weapons that he has around them, Guys like Mylik Neighbors
Speaker 4: starting to become one of the elite receivers in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Yep, you think he can do it there in New York.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Giants have the skill position weapons in terms
Speaker 6: of the receivers. There's no question about that. Their receiving
Speaker 6: corps is respectable. To me, you started talking about Molik
Speaker 6: Neighbors is a He's a dude. You go back and
Speaker 6: watch his game from last week. He was routing people
Speaker 6: up his route. His routes are nasty and they're very
Speaker 6: very discreet, like his nods and the way he stems
Speaker 6: his routes. Likes there's not a lot of indications, not
Speaker 6: a lot of indicators for the opposing defense and secondary
Speaker 6: to kind of tip your hat as to what route
Speaker 6: he's about to run like. He's very good at running routes.
Speaker 6: Darius Slay's respected Wandale Robinson I think is one of
Speaker 6: the more underrated receivers in the league. I think he
Speaker 6: does a good job running routes in terms of Russell Wilson,
Speaker 6: Russell Wilson didn't have a shot last week. Everybody's coming
Speaker 6: after him and saying, you know, put in Jackson dark
Speaker 6: and I know Jackson Dart had a great preseason and
Speaker 6: all that jazz. But Russell Wilson, if you go back
Speaker 6: and watch the film, Russell Wilson, the balls that he
Speaker 6: had time to throw was still accurate. Russell Wilson still
Speaker 6: had the velocity. Russell Wilson still put the ball on
Speaker 6: the money. Majority of that game. The defensive line of
Speaker 6: the Washington Commanders literally held up the face of the
Speaker 6: Giants offensive line and slapped them all day long. The
Speaker 6: left tackle needs to go go see the priest and
Speaker 6: talk and everything else because he, oh my goodness, he
Speaker 6: was so bad you're talking about.
Speaker 3: It's not Thomas, right Tom.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get him back right now, Hudson or
Speaker 1: something like that, James Hudgs.
Speaker 6: Listen, the offensive line is bad. They're they're rushing, they're running.
Speaker 6: Attack is bad. Their past level is very vertical. They're
Speaker 6: not getting any pushed. There's pretty much a stalemate at
Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage. If not getting pushed backwards, they're
Speaker 6: not getting to the second level.
Speaker 1: They're past blocking is abysmal. It is really bad.
Speaker 6: They're timing seemingly as all off. The tight ends can't block,
Speaker 6: the tackles can't block. I mean, Russell Wilson just had
Speaker 6: zero time. But when you look at the routes, the
Speaker 6: routes were there. Conceptually what they're trying to do offensively.
Speaker 6: When they're spread out, I like their routes. I like
Speaker 6: their concepts. When they're in condensed sets, I think it
Speaker 6: gets very convoluted for them. They try to run some
Speaker 6: stuff down in the red zone with condensed splits. They
Speaker 6: try to run little bunch sets, things that are close
Speaker 6: to the tackle box, and the spacing is just not
Speaker 6: there at the routes. The routes are on top of
Speaker 6: each other and defenders are all in the area of
Speaker 6: the receiver. So I think they're condensed sets. Though they
Speaker 6: liked to try to get to those, I think they don't.
Speaker 6: They don't have it figured out yet in terms of
Speaker 6: spacing and timing. But when they're spread out, those guys, yeah,
Speaker 6: they're they're getting to day Bowl system and those guys
Speaker 6: are getting open. But Russell Wilson had did not have
Speaker 6: the time last week he did not.
Speaker 5: And in terms of that, I mean, obviously Russell Wilson
Speaker 5: can still cook. I genuinely believe that he doesn't have
Speaker 5: any time to throw the ball, and even what he does,
Speaker 5: he doesn't have enough confidence in his offensive line too
Speaker 5: stand in the pocket because he feels the pressure coming
Speaker 5: when it's not even there. He expects ghost. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: Their defense, the rushing defense thirtieth in the league last year,
Speaker 5: doesn't look to have improved by any stretch. They had
Speaker 5: thirteen plays in the red zone, eleven of which were
Speaker 5: inside the ten yard line, led to three points.
Speaker 1: It was bad.
Speaker 5: That is really bad. And when you have a first
Speaker 5: and goal from the one yard line and your first
Speaker 5: play Brian day ball, your first play is a gimmick
Speaker 5: trick play to your back up right tackle, that is
Speaker 5: a problem. That is indicative. That is saying I don't
Speaker 5: trust my offensive line to get me one yard in
Speaker 5: four tries.
Speaker 1: Wow, Listen, Russell didn't have time on that one.
Speaker 3: And we're talking about what do you need on to
Speaker 3: make that appro You need time.
Speaker 1: And we're speaking generally as far as saying Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: didn't have time, And I know a lot of fans.
Speaker 1: They hear that and they say, okay, well what does
Speaker 1: that mean. Let me tell you what that means. The Giants'
Speaker 1: offensive line on forty five pass blocks, forty five dropbacks,
Speaker 1: they allowed twenty eight pressures. That's insanity. More than half
Speaker 1: the time that Russ dropped back is that sixty percent? Yes,
Speaker 1: he was under duress, which is to Josh's point why
Speaker 1: he started feeling ghosts even when they weren't there. He
Speaker 1: went full of Sam Donald. Okay, so that bodes exceptionally
Speaker 1: well for the Cowboys, especially if Andrew Thomas can't come
Speaker 1: back for week two. Because you mentioned James Hudson. You
Speaker 1: guys mentioned James Hudson. He was accountable for nine of
Speaker 1: those quarterback pressures. Nine. There was some series whereas back
Speaker 1: to back, Yeah, back to back play And credit to
Speaker 1: Russ given that he was pressured twenty eight times, only
Speaker 1: allowed two sacks, only sacked twice. He was running for
Speaker 1: his life. But in running for his life, he couldn't
Speaker 1: set his feet. He couldn't get the accuracy level that
Speaker 1: he wanted had he been able to set his feet.
Speaker 1: So I mean, this is a game where with or
Speaker 1: without Jadeveon Clowney specifically with but whether without Jaevion Clowney.
Speaker 1: This is a team and the Cowboys who came off
Speaker 1: of a great pressure rate against the Philadelphia Eagles. They
Speaker 1: didn't get home but.
Speaker 5: Once, and that's the thing they can get.
Speaker 6: I do have one concern because I'm not rid of
Speaker 6: we're laying this out as if Dallas is about to
Speaker 6: just run through some hot dogs.
Speaker 2: Work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they still have a lot to work on, and
Speaker 1: I think I do.
Speaker 6: Believe that it's an opportunity for these young d ns
Speaker 6: to work on their pass rushing, maybe.
Speaker 3: Clown or without. Maybe that's why he's in the building.
Speaker 1: Well, last last you'll played the Giants. Let's think about it.
Speaker 1: Last week.
Speaker 6: The first half, I'm pretty sure the D line was
Speaker 6: instructed to two gap and try to contain Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 6: They weren't pass rushing the second half. You saw Dante
Speaker 6: Fowler started. You remember me in the middle of the game,
Speaker 6: I was like, why are these guys not rushing the
Speaker 6: pastor like they're running right down the middle of these
Speaker 6: guys are not picking a shoulder when you were.
Speaker 4: Mad at how much he pinched into and you go
Speaker 4: back and watch on the film watching it live, it
Speaker 4: was bad watching it on the film. He's being pushed
Speaker 4: inside almost every was frustrating, right your pastor it was
Speaker 4: a rough week one. If you're a pass rusher and
Speaker 4: you're being told to not pass rush, like instinctively you're
Speaker 4: gonna be like, let me get to this quarterback and
Speaker 4: then you go to do that and you're like, crap,
Speaker 4: I'm not doing my assignment right and you get screwed.
Speaker 4: So but in the second half you started seeing Dante
Speaker 4: Foller especially and Donovan Azeraku, they were being allowed to
Speaker 4: do their pass rush and they started picking one side
Speaker 4: of the tackle instead of going down the middle of
Speaker 4: the tackle, and they started getting some pressure. So it's
Speaker 4: not as if Dallas can't rush the pass or it's
Speaker 4: just I believe they were in being instructed not to
Speaker 4: be a focal point there. But I m bringing that
Speaker 4: up because the times that Russell Wilson was able to
Speaker 4: have some time and was able to pick apart the
Speaker 4: defense a little bit was when the Washington Commanders were
Speaker 4: playing zone. When Washington Commanders were playing zone and the
Speaker 4: and the New York Giants were not in condensed sets,
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson, he was decisive he was quick, the ball
Speaker 4: was out of his hands. You knew, you can tell
Speaker 4: confidence that he understood what the zone was where the
Speaker 4: ball was supposed to go with that particular concept and
Speaker 4: it was old school russ right, just boom, see the ball,
Speaker 4: dump the ball. Let's walk with confidence is get back
Speaker 4: to that line of scrimmage. The Washington Commanders played a
Speaker 4: lot of mando man defense a lot because they had
Speaker 4: confidence and their ability to get home at the defensive front.
Speaker 4: Last week, Dallas didn't show hardly any man to man
Speaker 4: if at all.
Speaker 1: I have to go back and let's see.
Speaker 6: So I am interested to see if Matt Eberflus in
Speaker 6: acts Manda man defense, because we did not see that
Speaker 6: last week, and that was partially scheme.
Speaker 5: What you simply can go one v one and win
Speaker 5: this game. Yes, they don't have the personnel to beat
Speaker 5: you in that if you're just going man to man
Speaker 5: like I said, or like you said, if you're incorporating
Speaker 5: more of a blitz package with Eberflus, which you can do,
Speaker 5: want to disrupt them early and often. I think that's
Speaker 5: a great idea. I think if you incorporate the blitz
Speaker 5: very early on, you're going to have success.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to know what this secondary get the
Speaker 6: matter in man, we don't know. We don't know how
Speaker 6: healthy Trayvon Diggs is and his ability to garden man.
Speaker 6: We don't know how confident Darron Bland is and his
Speaker 6: ability to garden man. We don't know Kyrie Elam in
Speaker 6: a game situation. And now we don't know. We saw
Speaker 6: them in zone last week and they were very, very effective.
Speaker 6: That's what I was going to but I want to
Speaker 6: see it in man. That's what I was going to point.
Speaker 1: At, because I understand the concern or the intrigue for
Speaker 1: you seeing Russ having some success against the zone that
Speaker 1: was run by the Commanders. We said this coming out
Speaker 1: of the Giants game, not the Giants game, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: the Eagles game. Wherein now we know that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: secondary can play an elite at elite, an elite level
Speaker 1: in zone versus multiple actual weapons A J Brown, devonte' smill,
Speaker 1: super Bowl champion, right right, those three guys plus Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts throwing the ball and it got her and got her. Right.
Speaker 1: So when you look at the Commanders, they don't have
Speaker 1: that that artillery the Giants. Oh, when you look at
Speaker 1: the Giants. They don't have that artillery, right, they have
Speaker 1: elite neighbors three Swandale Robinson. Can he can play some ball? Yes? Again,
Speaker 1: but is he Devontae Smith.
Speaker 3: It's not the same.
Speaker 1: Though it's same, it's not. They don't have the same
Speaker 1: caliber weapon that tight end either. So if you're going
Speaker 1: to switch to man for this game, because you believe
Speaker 1: that Trayvon Diggs and Jerry Jones said it on one
Speaker 1: five three the Fan, he believes that Trayvon Diggs is
Speaker 1: capable of being fully unleashed. Now, okay, if that's the case,
Speaker 1: you're talking man coverage with Trayvon Kyeir and then Deron. Again,
Speaker 1: the Giants don't have the personnel to match up against that,
Speaker 1: and then combine that with the fact that the offensive
Speaker 1: line for New York simply cannot stop a running nose, right,
Speaker 1: So the pressure is going to be there. So this
Speaker 1: is a perfect game to be able to be a
Speaker 1: man because it's short in the coverage windows.
Speaker 3: Can I add some numbers to this conversation.
Speaker 1: I like numbers.
Speaker 3: There are some.
Speaker 4: These are good numbers too. Cowboys utilized in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: So this is last different coordinator keep that in mind,
Speaker 4: they still utilized more than eighty percent of opposing dropbacks
Speaker 4: in zone coverage. They were in zone coverage for more
Speaker 4: than eighty percent of the time all the way throughout
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four in that spot, and they had all
Speaker 4: in every game they had more than fifty percent in
Speaker 4: zone coverage except for one game, and that was Week
Speaker 4: eleven against the Texans, who have some weapons in their
Speaker 4: own right. Last week you talked about it, you said
Speaker 4: they used a lot of zone.
Speaker 3: You didn't see any man. It's because they didn't play man.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys deployed zone coverage in every single one of
Speaker 4: the thirty three Jalen Hurts dropbacks in their Week one
Speaker 4: loss to the Eagles, only the second team to do
Speaker 4: so in a game since it started the twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four season. The Bills did it in Week thirteen last year,
Speaker 4: and that was the only other time that a team
Speaker 4: in the entire NFL has only used zone.
Speaker 3: And I get it, it was a matchup thing.
Speaker 4: You're going to see it because of the way that
Speaker 4: the Philadelphia Eagles run their offense and the way that
Speaker 4: they have the weapons on the outside. I don't know
Speaker 4: if even with the matchup against the Giants, We're still
Speaker 4: going to see a whole lot of man just because traditionally,
Speaker 4: this group, this personnel package used zone last year.
Speaker 3: They've only used zone this year. Why change it going
Speaker 3: into it?
Speaker 4: But it would because and the reason why, I guess
Speaker 4: is because Russell Wilson knows how to read his own
Speaker 4: and he can pick it apart.
Speaker 1: That's one.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I don't think it's going
Speaker 3: to be a huge discription.
Speaker 1: I do think this will be I was going to say,
Speaker 1: I think this is We're right here. I think this
Speaker 1: is going to be a huge test of will Matt
Speaker 1: Eberflus quite literally tailor his game plan on a week
Speaker 1: week basis question which you might and that that I'm
Speaker 1: right there with Isaiah on that particular point because I
Speaker 1: see the numbers. I understand that was zimmer last year,
Speaker 1: that was Dan Quinnen in years prior to Zimber. We
Speaker 1: don't know what Eberflus looks like. What we just saw
Speaker 1: was eber Flus. Look at how vig Fangio uh not
Speaker 1: found you, but how the Eagles just how they were
Speaker 1: able to take advantage of the Cowboys with their personnel
Speaker 1: set right, their offensive personnel sit. A lot of that
Speaker 1: was against man coverage. Eberflu said, the hell with that,
Speaker 1: what would you what would you rather have?
Speaker 6: Would you rather have a decoordinator and Matt Eberflus that
Speaker 6: changes from week to week basically as opponent, or would
Speaker 6: you rather have them have this base defenses.
Speaker 5: Like tr Eflues. That is that is what has killed
Speaker 5: us so much in the past. I want someone that
Speaker 5: is malleable, that is able to look at the guys
Speaker 5: across from you and say, well, that's not going to
Speaker 5: work this week. We need to change things up. And
Speaker 5: it's something that we I mean he even did in
Speaker 5: the second half last week, change it up. It wasn't
Speaker 5: working in the first half. You weren't able to contain
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts, wasn't able to get pressure, No, not at all.
Speaker 5: So immediately came and started and bringing pressure. And then
Speaker 5: and halftime grinded was the long halftime, and then you
Speaker 5: had the delay and everything. But the defense played much better.
Speaker 5: They held them in the second half, and they contained
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts for as much as they could in that
Speaker 5: second half and squon I mean it was crazy. I
Speaker 5: mean I want that. I want someone that is malleable, and.
Speaker 1: It also makes it very difficult for the opponent you
Speaker 1: have coming Nope next week to be able to settle
Speaker 1: in and say, well, they have these tendencies. Well, if
Speaker 1: your tendency is to adapt every single week.
Speaker 5: What are you giving the namecy?
Speaker 1: What is your tendency?
Speaker 4: Here's the numbers from Eberflus last year prior to being
Speaker 4: fired by Chicago, and he was the defensive play callers,
Speaker 4: so keep that in mind. Bears defense played zone coverage
Speaker 4: on seventy eight percent of opposing dropbacks that last season,
Speaker 4: the ninth highest rate in the NFL. Only the Cowboys
Speaker 4: and Seahawks have allowed a lower passing success rate when
Speaker 4: playing zone coverage than the Bears this season, and that was.
Speaker 1: In twenty four. Okay, so he's still like zone.
Speaker 4: He's going to play a lot of it, but it's
Speaker 4: not one specific type of zone. It's different types of Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's gonna makes imagine disguise and throw different wrinkles into
Speaker 4: the whole thing. It'll be interesting to see if they
Speaker 4: utilize any kind of man going into.
Speaker 1: This, which is it. It's awesome if you have a pass.
Speaker 6: Rush, Yeah, yeah, zone zone defense when guys can play
Speaker 6: zone and understand zone and play with each play you know,
Speaker 6: to each other's.
Speaker 1: What's the word? I'm looking for strengths.
Speaker 6: Strengths right, and you're okay passing off zones like, hey,
Speaker 6: this is my area. I'm passing it off to you. Now, Kyle,
Speaker 6: you're passing off the path, passing it off.
Speaker 1: Just go.
Speaker 6: When you can do that, it's awesome because it makes
Speaker 6: it very difficult to find passing lanes if somebody's always
Speaker 6: coming into a zone when you're running a route. If
Speaker 6: you can have a pass rush with that, it makes
Speaker 6: it almost impossible for opposing offenses to have success throw
Speaker 6: on the ball, which is why when you start seeing
Speaker 6: people come in the building, you need somebody to go
Speaker 6: get the quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I know people in the chat are gonna be like, well,
Speaker 1: you let wanted some the best guy in the league
Speaker 1: out the building, understand, But what can you do with that?
Speaker 6: Like we always said, that's a great move if you
Speaker 6: use the space, if you use the picks to go
Speaker 6: out there and make your team better across the board.
Speaker 6: If they can Dallas Cowboys can elicit a pass rush
Speaker 6: without the necessity to blitz while running zone collectively and
Speaker 6: getting better every week at their zone coverage, it is
Speaker 6: going to be difficult for opposing offense to throw the ball.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty good. Uh. He acquitted himself exceptionally well in
Speaker 1: his Cowboys debut against the Eagles.
Speaker 5: But no, no, no, no, that was against Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3: It was all works.
Speaker 5: You can't tell me, he was.
Speaker 1: I can, I will. I just did the starting O
Speaker 1: line for Philadelphia. That is correct, that's him, okay, And
Speaker 1: now he's going against a Giants offensive line and that's
Speaker 1: not an attack. That simply is not what he went
Speaker 1: against against the Eagles. But we talked about Javeon Clowney's
Speaker 1: get off. It's insane in the upper you know, point
Speaker 1: zero seven. But Kenny Clark point I'm sorry, zero point
Speaker 1: eight nine seconds last week against the Eagles. And if
Speaker 1: you want context on that, a lot of fans asked
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, Well, contextually, what does that put him
Speaker 1: against some of the best defensive tackles in the game
Speaker 1: last week? Well, Chris Jones was zero point eight seven.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Lawrence. He's pretty good. He's coming to town.
Speaker 1: One point eight seconds. Quinn Williams with the New York
Speaker 1: He's pretty good. He's one point one nine seconds. The
Speaker 1: big fellas, Yes, the only five players on the Cowboys
Speaker 1: roster had a quicker get off last week against the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Then did Kenny Clark. And all five of them are
Speaker 1: defensive ends. You have a nose tackle, not a three tech.
Speaker 5: No, I don't know. A big fellow, A big.
Speaker 1: Fellow getting off the ball faster than a lot of
Speaker 1: defensive ends in the league. That's what the Giants are
Speaker 1: going to be up against between him Osa, Solomon and
Speaker 1: Osa and Sally.
Speaker 5: Shut the big.
Speaker 1: What was Solomon Thomas's get off?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you? He was thrown. You
Speaker 1: know what's crazy is is you would look at my
Speaker 1: eyes to see me. They they do not toceive you.
Speaker 1: Let's see where it's at. That was science. By the way,
Speaker 1: If you guys didn't pick up what you know he
Speaker 1: was putting.
Speaker 5: Looks like from a street fighter b.
Speaker 6: They just they just cast.
Speaker 1: Did you see that? It's a goott Yeah, that they're
Speaker 1: casting of questions that I didn't get in that one.
Speaker 1: You could have did you very well could have? My friend,
Speaker 1: why did you not? I mean you've done w w E.
Speaker 1: Why are you not doing?
Speaker 6: Why are you not an action here? You never know
Speaker 6: what I'm getting into next, he never knows. I think
Speaker 6: you need to I need you need to put it
Speaker 6: out man might dabble. I think you need to put
Speaker 6: it out there. If we're being completely honest to answer
Speaker 6: your question. Solomon Thomas was one point one eight seconds
Speaker 6: right there alongside Quentinn Williams also was zero point nine
Speaker 6: eight seconds and those guys were still eating well with
Speaker 6: that get off. And then compare that to what Kenny again,
Speaker 6: Kenny Clark's getting off of the ball like a defensive
Speaker 6: end actually faster, quicker is a better word, quicker than
Speaker 6: a lot of defenses.
Speaker 5: And then next to him in rotation is Zangeief from
Speaker 5: street fighters and Solomon Thomas.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, let's.
Speaker 5: Check it out. There is.
Speaker 1: Fight. So yeah, Cowboys run defense has a chance to
Speaker 1: really do something special and good looking against the Giants
Speaker 1: offense who simply could.
Speaker 6: Not run the ball at all. Twenty three for seventy
Speaker 6: four Yeah, ungreat, very ungreat.
Speaker 3: Twenty three carries for seventy four.
Speaker 1: Yards, very ungreat. Not ideal.
Speaker 3: Well, not just that the Commanders having a good interior.
Speaker 1: But in perspective forty four of those rushing yards with
Speaker 1: Russ that's true.
Speaker 4: Okay, So man, that brings up my next question of yeah,
Speaker 4: the mobile quarterback week two in a row, he can
Speaker 4: still run it. Does that present some level of concern
Speaker 4: just because of what you saw from Dallas in week one?
Speaker 5: If you had the same game plan as last week
Speaker 5: where you're just worried about your linebackers managing the current
Speaker 5: linebacker situation, Jack sam Bourne, if and Kenneth Murray closing
Speaker 5: in on Russell Wilson, I think you will be absolutely fine.
Speaker 4: It's a little easier to close in on thirty plus
Speaker 4: year old Russell Wilson than it is Jalen Hurts right now,
Speaker 4: well a little bit.
Speaker 1: If you take him I know, Jim, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know that I do know, Jim.
Speaker 6: If you take out Russell Wilson's eight attempts for forty
Speaker 6: four yards, which were on broken place because they don't
Speaker 6: script Russell Wilson to run the ball, then between Tracy
Speaker 6: Singletary and Scottiboo they collectively had fifteen attempts for thirty yards.
Speaker 5: But okay, that's not good. But don't let Schttaboo get going.
Speaker 1: Man, he's physical. I'm not worried about him running around.
Speaker 1: You just better have more than one person. You know
Speaker 1: what I do like And you're right, Skatabool is very physical,
Speaker 1: especially if you ever watched any of his collegiate tape
Speaker 1: State Reef my friend, good grief. That being said, I
Speaker 1: have to say I like this level of physicality I'm
Speaker 1: seeing from just Shottenheimer's team, and of course that permeates.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the offense as well, the offensive line
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, but defensive line again, Kenny Clark and
Speaker 1: Osen Sally that interior is just nasty, Like they play nasty.
Speaker 1: You know who else if you can get them on
Speaker 1: a contract and not let.
Speaker 6: Them shout out quick shout out to shout out to
Speaker 6: Aaron Whitecotton. Yeah, yeah, Like, we cannot blow by the
Speaker 6: fact that these position coaches are going to have a
Speaker 6: tremendous impact on the identity of these position groups and
Speaker 6: the culture of this team. Like people talk about we
Speaker 6: talk about players all day long, and we talk about
Speaker 6: the head coach or even the coordinators. Right oftentimes, the
Speaker 6: position coaches spend more time with these guys than anybody
Speaker 6: else on the staff.
Speaker 2: YEP.
Speaker 6: So when you see players start having success, when you
Speaker 6: start seeing position groups start to take on a different identity,
Speaker 6: it's not by chance. It's not by chance. So we're
Speaker 6: giving a lot of kudos to how this defensive front
Speaker 6: played last week. It's not that these guys are just like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. Kenny Clark comes in here,
Speaker 6: or everybody's just following Osa's like, no, this is a
Speaker 6: requirement if you're playing for Aaron Whitecotton, who was the best,
Speaker 6: the best D line coach in football last year. That's
Speaker 6: what everybody called him coming over from from the Jets.
Speaker 6: He brought a certain mentality and a certain standard with
Speaker 6: him when he came to the Dallas Cowboys, and everybody
Speaker 6: is embodying who he is. Everybody is demanded that they
Speaker 6: put out a certain effort, that they get off the ball,
Speaker 6: that they play with a certain violence like this is
Speaker 6: mandated by the position group. Coach and I under people
Speaker 6: need to understand that that is not by chance.
Speaker 1: And the Jets missed Aaron Whitecotton last week.
Speaker 4: They definitely did. And it throws me all the way
Speaker 4: back to training camp. As we wrap up the show,
Speaker 4: here throws me all the way back to training camp.
Speaker 4: There was a miked up segment with Brian Schottenheimer. One
Speaker 4: of the conversations he had was with coach Whitecott and
Speaker 4: he said, man, there media is playing you, playing you up.
Speaker 4: They love you, they love what they've seen so far.
Speaker 4: And this was middle through, midway through training He said,
Speaker 4: we haven't played anybody yet. There's no reason to build
Speaker 4: me up yet. I love that mentality. By the way
Speaker 4: he said, they haven't played anybody yet. You know what
Speaker 4: they played somebody. They look pretty good, and I think
Speaker 4: there's one step in the right direction, and we'll see
Speaker 4: what White Cotton can continue doing as we go along
Speaker 4: here in this.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: We're not clowning around.
Speaker 3: No, not at all, not today.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 3: When we come back tomorrow, we'll have some QB vision.
Speaker 4: We're gonna preview the Cowboys offense versus that Giants defense.
Speaker 4: See how Dak Press goot in that passing game can
Speaker 4: get going and keep it going against the Giants in
Speaker 4: Week two for Patrick goc Walker, Josh Roderriguez, Isaiah standback,
Speaker 4: Chris Beam in the back, I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so
Speaker 4: long from Talking Cowboys.
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