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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, welcome back to Coast to Coast, George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Matt moneymakerback with us. A prominent bigfoot researcher and the

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Speaker 2: founder of the Bigfoot Field Researchers organization, established back in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five. With a BA in English Literature from UCLA,

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Speaker 2: he began his incredible Sasquatch investigations in the nineteen nineties

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Speaker 2: in eighties, sparked by a childhood fascination with bigfoot documentaries,

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Speaker 2: and later gained fame as the host of American The

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Speaker 2: Animal Planets Finding Bigfoot Remember that show. His passion for

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Speaker 2: proving the creature's existence reached a wide audience, and here

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Speaker 2: he is back on Coast to Coast. Matt, Hi, you been.

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Speaker 3: I've been very good. Good to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: What was that moment, that one moment that got you

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Speaker 2: involved in bigfoot searching.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry you dropped out there for a second.

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Speaker 2: Could you repeat, what was that moment that got you

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Speaker 2: involved in bigfoot searching?

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Speaker 3: Well, it was hearing from a witness for the first

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Speaker 3: time that really and realizing that there there was probably

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Speaker 3: some not far from Los Angeles and and so, I

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Speaker 3: mean it was a progress, but that's what really set

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Speaker 3: me on the path. I heard about a really good

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Speaker 3: two witness visual siding in the mountains of Ventura County,

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Speaker 3: and a few months later backpacked up in the area

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Speaker 3: and found tracks. Then I was really grabbed. But it

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Speaker 3: was pursuing it for a few years after that, both

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Speaker 3: in California and then in Ohio that I finally had

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Speaker 3: a face to face encounter with one. And I really

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Speaker 3: needed that because you can believe in the subject, you

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Speaker 3: can research it there, but if you're a rational person,

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Speaker 3: there's always going to be some doubt in your mind

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Speaker 3: until you actually see one, and then there's no doubt.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, all you see all the other

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Speaker 3: people around you kind of hesitating, Well maybe, but I

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Speaker 3: don't understand. I mean, how could it be? And what

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Speaker 3: about the bones and all the handering, and you know,

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Speaker 3: it's just like, yeah, well there's explanations for all that,

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Speaker 3: but you're but they are real because you've had one's

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Speaker 3: standing there growling at you until you walked away from it.

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Speaker 3: So I had that experience that it was it was profound,

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Speaker 3: and I've gotten fairly close to them a number of

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Speaker 3: times after that, but that was back in ninety four

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Speaker 3: was really the powerful moment that after that I created

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Speaker 3: the Bigfoot Field Researchers organization, and then that led to

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Speaker 3: the TV show Mysterious Encounters and then eventually to Finding

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Speaker 3: Bigfoot on Animal Planning.

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Speaker 2: Did you feel threatened afraid when you had that face

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Speaker 2: to face encounter?

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Speaker 3: It was intimidating, and I think that's what was the

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Speaker 3: purpose of it. But by that point I had spoken

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Speaker 3: with so many people who had described that kind of encounter.

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Speaker 3: How one or sometimes two of them came up and

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Speaker 3: stopped at a certain distance, like maybe fifteen twenty feet

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Speaker 3: away and just stood there growling. And usually this is

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Speaker 3: like after midnight, in the middle of the night, like

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Speaker 3: in a swampy or forest area. But I had heard

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Speaker 3: this from so many different people that when it was

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Speaker 3: what's gonna happen here, which is that it's not gonna

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Speaker 3: kill me. It's just gonna stand there and growl until

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Speaker 3: I get the message and I walk away. And it

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Speaker 3: wasn't like I had heard these stories at the same spot.

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Speaker 3: This would have been like in different counties in Ohio,

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about different different bigfoots in different parts

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Speaker 3: of Ohio, but basically doing the same behavior. So I

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Speaker 3: from it, and as I was walking away, the fears

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Speaker 3: started turning into just excitem in that I had. I

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Speaker 3: had put in so much time uh into that years before,

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Speaker 3: and that kind of that moment kind of validated. So

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Speaker 3: I felt, you know, fear intimidation went from that to

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Speaker 2: And I was ecstatic at this point. Matthew, what have

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Speaker 2: you concluded about bigfoot?

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Speaker 3: Well, they're clearly some type of primate, and people think, well,

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Speaker 3: you know this, No, they're not primates, they're people. And

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Speaker 3: So it's some it's some type of an ape, whether

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Speaker 3: it's more closely related to humans or closely related to

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Speaker 3: gigantipithecus or homo erectus or whatever. We don't know, but

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Speaker 3: which means their brains are very large too, And that

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Speaker 3: helps explain how they've been able to get away with

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Speaker 3: how can they get away with it when we can

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Speaker 3: capture you know, the president of Venezuela or everything else. Well,

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Speaker 3: people aren't really out trying to capture these things. They're

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Speaker 3: not even bigfoot. Researchers would be quite content just to

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Speaker 3: film them. But they're very smart. They retreat from humans,

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Speaker 3: and they live in areas where retreating from humans into woods,

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Speaker 3: of the handicaps that humans have walking through the woods

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Speaker 3: they they're they're very strategic and very cautious, and their

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Speaker 3: so they're rare, and they're nocturnal, and they're intelligent. For

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Speaker 3: their lifestyle, and they're they're not stupid enough to just

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Speaker 3: deer would be, So you're not going to have roadkill

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Speaker 3: of them. And they're just going to persist on the

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Speaker 2: Man, have you ruled out dimensional or extraterrestrial possibilities?

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Speaker 3: And that's that's a thing that keeps coming up. And

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Speaker 3: what I can say for certain is that there is

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Speaker 3: some strange stuff that happens in with these things in

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Speaker 3: their presence, but it's not I think the concept that

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Speaker 3: many people have is that they're these purely interdimensional beings

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Speaker 3: et cetera that go through portals and they're here and there,

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Speaker 3: and they're not really solid figures with spirit beings. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that's the case, because there's so much about

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Speaker 3: them that would indicate that they have weight on like

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Speaker 3: same time, weird stuff does happen in their presence, like

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Speaker 3: strange orbs, and but those are in particular areas where

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Speaker 3: like kind of telepathic abilities in that like this mind

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Speaker 3: But it's kind of just like a message that people

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Speaker 3: other strange things like that that aren't seen anywhere else

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Speaker 3: you know, it's quite possible that, like with Travis Walton,

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Speaker 3: some Bigfoots might be abducted by UFOs, just like you know,

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Speaker 3: the humans might be abducted but that necessary. You know,

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Speaker 3: just because Travis Walton was a that doesn't mean Travis

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Speaker 3: Walton himself is an alien. So if bigfoots have some

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Speaker 3: They may just be of interest to aliens. So anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: on our expeditions in the field, we're really out trying

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Speaker 3: so I think it's less likely in those scenarios for

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Speaker 2: Has there ever been any reports Matthew of a big

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Speaker 3: Well, it depends on how you would define as attack.

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Speaker 3: People have been. They'll come up and scare you, and

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Speaker 3: I mean from a distance though, make scary sounds. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: they'll throw rocks. And what I consider to be an

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Speaker 2: How close are they related to the Abominable Snowman, the yetie,

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Speaker 3: There Let's says, the analogy would be with bears. In

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Speaker 3: much like our black bear, except that has bigger ears

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Speaker 2: Like a polar bear is different from a black bear right.

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Speaker 3: But have a common ancestor and have a lot of

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Speaker 2: My first experience with the sasquatch genre was the Abominable

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Speaker 2: Snowman stories that I would hear when I was a kid.

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Speaker 2: I was fascinated by what those people saw this white

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Speaker 3: And it's funny about the snowman idea of their fur

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Speaker 2: Bigfoot truly remarkable. And what about the sounds of Bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: You've got a lot on your website, don't you, In YouTube?

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Speaker 3: And we have them, you know, from different years in

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Speaker 2: Do we know if they can communicate with each other?

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Speaker 3: I am very sure about that myself. It's hard to prove,

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Speaker 2: Has anybody ever reported little baby bigfoot running around?

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Speaker 3: Yes, people have many times seeing young bigfoots. We have

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Speaker 2: Do you think they cry like little kids?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. There's other species, especially big cats that

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