1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host Mark Kenyon. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four two and 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: today in the show, we've got Mario Trafficante from The 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: Hunting Beast and we're gonna walk through his hunting season 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: and how he would approach different phases of the year. 8 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired Dunt podcast, brought to 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: you by First Light, and today in the show, we've 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: got Mario Trafficante. He's from the Hunting Beast. If you 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: listen to the Hunting Beast podcast, if you're on the forum, 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: you've seen some of their videos on the YouTube channel. 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: If you're familiar with Hunting Beast gear, this is Mario. 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: He's one of Dan in False Partners and Crime in 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: the Woods. They spend a lot of time and they 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: are pros at hunting pressure deer in a lot of 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: different scenarios. Mario has a great what would you say, 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: just just a great way of explaining what he does 19 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: and why he does it. And this is not like 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: he's got these ten ten thousand acre preserves hunt. He's 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: hunting stuff just like you and I do, and he's 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: having great success. And so today what I thought we 23 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: would do is walking through a few different phases of 24 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: the season. Let's talk you know, mid September, let's talk 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: mid October, late October, let's talk November, and then what 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: he's thinking about as far as how he's keying into 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: deer movement, Where does he think dear betting, where and 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: how do we think deer traveling and feeding? How does 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: he plan his setups, how does he plan his access? 30 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: We dive into great detail on all of those topics, 31 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: taking a walk, you know, week by week, month by 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: month into the hunting season. We're also get into some 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: really interesting background around you know, you know, learning as 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: a deer hunter, about growing as a deer hunter, about 35 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: how to filter all the noise and all the different 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: ideas and then you know, testing things out. Really interesting 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: kind of introductory conversation around some of those topics. So 38 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: if you're relatively new to deer hunting and just trying 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, how do you handle this great, 40 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: big learning curve, I think you'll really find value in that. 41 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: So that's it for me today. I'm going to get 42 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: into the conversation with Mario. I'll just remind everyone there's 43 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of new outerwear from First Light available now 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: in our new Specter whitetail patterns, so the Catalyst, the 45 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: new white Tail, Catalyst jack and Bibbs, new Sanctuary two 46 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: point oh uh jacket and bibbs. You can find all 47 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: that stuff over at first Light dot com. And then, 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: finally make sure you're following all the other cool stuff 49 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: from Wired Hunt. We've got launched our new Wired Hunt 50 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, new website, lots of articles from great deer 51 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: hunters like Andy Maybo, Martonic, Tony Hansen, Tony Peterson, myself 52 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: and others. You can find that all at the Meat 53 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: Eater dot com slash wire. So that's it now, let's 54 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: chat with Mario. All right here with me now on 55 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: the line, I've got Mario Troficante. Mario, thanks for being 56 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: on the show. Appreciate it. Mark, thanks for having me. Yeah, 57 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm excited about this when I've you know, been following 58 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: the work that that you and Dan and everyone has 59 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: been doing at the Hunting Beast for a long time now, 60 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: and it just seems like an an endlessly useful set 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: of educational conversations you guys get going and resources you 62 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: put out there. I know this is not news to you, 63 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: but you guys are helping a lot of folks and 64 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm excited to get to dive in with you because 65 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: I've I've talked to Dan quite a bit, but you 66 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: and I haven't got to yet. So so thanks for 67 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: making the time to do it. Yeah, I appreciate it. UM. 68 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: I think one of the most rewarding aspects of this 69 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: is sharing the information. Get to meet different people, talk 70 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: to them about their experiences. UM. I still learn a 71 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: lot from from talking to different individuals and just getting 72 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: their take on different hunting scenarios that they're going through, 73 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: questions that they have. They make me think about how 74 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: I set up and what I'm doing throughout the year 75 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: and really approach things in a different way. Um. Every 76 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: year adds a little bit of a different twist. And 77 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: so it's it's good at these conversations I enjoy. Yeah, 78 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things that I love about it. 79 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: You can never you'll never stop learning. There's there's always 80 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: something more to figure out to try to wrap your 81 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: head around. It's it's, uh, the never ending story that 82 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: we're taking part in here, and uh and kind of 83 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: along those lines, you mentioned something before we start recording. 84 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: You mentioned how important it is to you that folks 85 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: remember that anyone can do this, this kind of stuff 86 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: that we're gonna talk about. And I think that that 87 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: point is particularly important these days because there's more new 88 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 1: hunters kind of intrigued by hunting than maybe ever before. 89 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: Like the last year is brought a lot of new 90 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: people into the fold um that are kind of dabbling 91 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: or looking into this, and if they go online or 92 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: they look on TV, they see, you know, they see 93 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: us or Dan or someone on the outdoor channel killing 94 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: big deer all the time, having so much success. It 95 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: can seem a little bit daunting when you see that, 96 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: and then you go out in the woods yourself and 97 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: you don't see a single deer. Um. So, so why 98 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: is it that you bring that up? Why is that 99 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: so important to you? Like? What what do you want 100 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: to get across on that? I think it's important to 101 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: me because everyone starts out at a certain base level. 102 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: When you're trying to improve your hunting game, let's say, 103 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: let's just call it that, or improve the learning curve 104 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: on what you're doing and I think a lot of it. 105 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: You know, everyone has a different background and experience of 106 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: how they grew up and where they started hunting. Who 107 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: are the mentors and the teachers that they had when 108 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: they were young. That changes over time, and I think 109 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: people coming new in hunting or who have been hunting 110 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: their entire life. I believe it's really important. One of 111 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: the one of the biggest tools you can have with 112 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: this is to have an open mind and to listen 113 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: to the people around you. You're not always going to 114 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: get good information, but a lot of times, uh, you 115 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: are going to get some good information and keen in 116 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: on those those things that you get. Um. One of 117 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: the things I noticed early on. You know, I grew 118 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: up in central Wisconsin in a small town and really 119 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: my dad was from Italy. My grandfather, they did a 120 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: lot of really rabbit hunting, waterfall hunting, pheasant hunting. Um. 121 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: That was a big part of what I grew up 122 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: experiencing that that type of hunting, being in the outdoors 123 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: a lot, and not just uh, not just for the 124 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: capacity of of hunting, for sure, but it was hunting 125 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: to put food on the table, and it was really 126 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: a it was a different type of experience because through that, 127 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: through hunting and fishing with my dad, my grandfather, and 128 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: the circle of friends that we had where I grew up, 129 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: I really just formed a passion for it, like as 130 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: a recreational pastime. I mean, I would be out in 131 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: the woods, exploring around, spending time observing and learning what 132 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: was going on in that natural environment. You know, if 133 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: you compare it to maybe what's going on with you know, 134 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: younger kids today or today's generation, there's a lot more 135 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: what I would call digital distractions going on, and it's 136 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: it's not everywhere, but depending on where you're where you're living, 137 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: in the circle of friends and the things that you're 138 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: associated with, there's a lot of other things that can 139 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: pull you away from hunting or if you're interested in 140 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: the outdoors. And the one piece of advice I would 141 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: kind of like to give people if you look at 142 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: some of the predominant names or mentors that we would 143 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: say and hunting, and you look at their their history 144 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: of kind of what they did growing up, one of 145 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: the things I recognized with them is a lot of 146 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: them they spent a long time in this exploration phase 147 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: as a kid, as I would call it, um. They 148 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: spent a lot of times just being out in nature, 149 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: whether it was hiking, camping, hunting, fishing, um. And it's 150 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: during this time I think you you really observe and 151 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: this might sound a little weird and a little uh 152 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: I guess hippie issue, if you will, but you start 153 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: to observe the natural rhythm of what's going on when 154 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: you're in the woods. And and what I mean by 155 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: that is, you know, there's there's a certain rhythm that 156 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: takes place with change in the season, uh, changed during 157 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: the time of the day. You know, what are the 158 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: wind patterns doing or weather patterns doing when they come 159 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: in and out? How to different animals behave in the 160 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: woods during different times of the day. You know, birds, squirrels, 161 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: and then you can get into larger mammals like deer 162 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: that we love to hunt and everything in between, you know, 163 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: hunting waterfall and pheasants and rabbits and doing that a 164 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: lot when I was a kid. It introduced me to 165 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: all those different cycles and allowed me to really enjoy 166 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: that rhythm and getting into that. I find you know, 167 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: as as you get older and you know, family and 168 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: kids and work and all the other things that you 169 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: have in your life. A lot of times it's it's 170 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: more difficult to just step back and focus on that 171 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: rhythm that's going on. And I think from the perspective 172 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: of a hunter, being in tune with that can lead 173 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: you to observe irving behavior and specifically how dear behave 174 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: in their natural environment, um, how they travel across different topographies, 175 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: how different animals might signal when there's movement going on 176 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: in the woods during different times of the day. And 177 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: if you really take the time, you know, now everyone's 178 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: got smartphones, right, so you know you're out in the 179 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: woods doing a sit and you might be scrolling through 180 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: some feed on your phone. But if you can force 181 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: yourself to put that away and and just sit and listen, um, 182 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at at some of 183 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: these different signals that you see happening. A couple of 184 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: things I tend to notice or I picked up when 185 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: I was a kid, or just certain times in the 186 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: in the morning or the evening where you'll see when 187 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: the birds will be into chirp or migrate to different 188 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:07,479 Speaker 1: areas of the woods. Um. This different movement often signals 189 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: when deer are going to move from bad to food 190 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: or start moving out of certain areas. Um, we've probably 191 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: all encountered the scenario where you have a j that's 192 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: calling incessantly in a certain part of the woods, or 193 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: a squirrel is chattering. And you know, I know this 194 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: stuff has been talked about before, but I feel it's 195 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: a finer point that sometimes remissed because our minds are 196 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: all caught up in the end goal, which is, you know, 197 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: I want to get on I want to get on 198 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: that book, or I want to see a deer, I 199 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: want to see an animal, and we sometimes miss the 200 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: reaction of the whole ecosystem together that we're kind of 201 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: sitting in. You know, such a great point, very very 202 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: easy to do. And Uh, your point about trying to 203 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: push away those digital distractions, especially when you're out there 204 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: in the field, is it's surprisingly difficult. It seems like 205 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: such a silly thing. But I've realized when I start 206 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: paying attention how often I reflexively reach from my phone 207 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: without even thinking about it. It's it's embarrassing when I 208 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: start catching how often my mind turns to that. Um, 209 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: But you brought up another point that I'm kind of 210 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: curious about how you approached this you talked a second 211 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: ago about you know, the importance of having an open 212 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: mind and you know, taking new ideas and things like that, 213 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: and so as I'm kind of envisioning what a lot 214 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: of relatively newer hunters are going through, I think your 215 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: first point about learning to be you know, a little 216 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: bit more in tune with their surroundings is really important. 217 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: The next thing I'm thinking about is these folks are 218 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: trying to learn the basics or the next level of 219 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: foundations to becoming a deer hunter, and they're going to 220 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: places like the Hunting Beast form or or this podcast 221 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: or wherever, and they're trying to learn, and they're hearing 222 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: from all these different people. They're getting all these different opinions. Um, 223 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: I think you're in a little bit of a unique 224 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: position because you're you know, you're in the field doing 225 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: this yourself. You're hunting with a bunch of really great 226 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: other people too, like Dan and others. And then you're 227 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: also kind of tapped into the forum and your community 228 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: and hearing from all these other people and the questions 229 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: they have, the questions that they submit to you guys, etcetera. So, 230 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: So my question is this, given what you've kind of 231 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: picked up from all these different people and what you're hearing. 232 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: How would you recommend people learn to filter all these 233 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: different ideas? Like how or how do you go about 234 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: filtering through all these different ideas and learning? Okay, what 235 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: do I take from this guy? What do I dismiss? 236 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: What did this guy say? Should I try? What should 237 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: I not? Um? Because it's really easy to hear it 238 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: from a hundred different people and get all confused and 239 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: turned around and not know left from right because you're 240 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: hearing so many different ideas, sometimes conflicting. Um, how do 241 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: you approach that or how do you recommend other people 242 00:13:55,240 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: try to do that? In this information overload world? Wren? Yeah, 243 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: for sure. UM. I think the first thing you gotta 244 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: do is you gotta evaluate your history and where you're 245 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: coming from, Like what's the base you started with? You know, 246 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: if I take myself, I think back when I was 247 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: a kid. I'm really my dad, you know, coming over 248 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: this country and and moving up to Wisconsin. He was 249 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: we were hunting to put food on the table, and 250 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: he was learning from people and his friends and surrounding 251 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: area to hunt deer sort of at the same time, 252 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: when I was growing up and it's it's interesting because 253 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: they ran across some old video tape that that my 254 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: mom had converted to digital, and there was a video 255 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: in there of my dad and my grandfather talking to 256 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: Italian discussing how they were gonna set up and move 257 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: this ladder stand from one part of the property to 258 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: another part of the property to sort of in essence, uh, 259 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, cut deer traffic off from where they had 260 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: observed of them moving predominantly. And I think back when 261 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: I was a kid, what I was taught and what 262 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: sort of the traditions were. And primarily at that point, 263 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, my mom and dad, you know, they were 264 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: they had part ownership of a smaller farm. There was 265 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: a lot of public land areas around that high school 266 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: friends and I would would frequent, but a lot of 267 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: the hunting took place on this farm and the things 268 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: that were taught were, you know, a lot of it 269 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: was the kind of the sit and weight game. You 270 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: have a specific stand set up throughout the property, and 271 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: there wasn't a whole lot of conversation around betting. It 272 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: was a lot of focus on location and food and 273 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: waiting for the deer to come to you. So for myself, 274 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: I kind of had to do an assessment of when 275 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: I really started get being back into this and saying, well, 276 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: what are my goals and what do I want to 277 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: try to do, and like anyone you you aspire to, well, 278 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: I want to shoot a big book. It's fun this 279 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: The the big book is like this mystical thing in 280 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: your mind as a kid, almost when you're growing up. 281 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of the circles that I was in, 282 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, you knew that guy and you got a 283 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: glimpse of that big book at the gas station when 284 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: it was being registered. And it always seems to seem 285 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: to be this thing that was just out of reach, 286 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: or it happened because of luck right, or it happened 287 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: because circumstances came together. And some people are fortunate enough 288 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: to have mentors early in life that we're teaching them 289 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: a format or a process where by which they could 290 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: they could take larger books, you know, when they were 291 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: a kid. But now I think the majority of people, 292 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: if you look at what was being you know, shown 293 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: in magazines and media at that time, um when they 294 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: were growing up, it was more of kind of the 295 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: the wait and bait or the sit and wait for 296 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: the deer to come to you scenario without really understanding 297 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: behaviorally why the deer were doing that. So first thing is, 298 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, understand your background, like what are you starting with? 299 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: You know what what is your learning curve? And in 300 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: my case, um, I knew that I needed to change. 301 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: I needed to change my mindset on that because going 302 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: back and hunting the same locations, the same sets, the 303 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: same farm and not getting outside of my comfort zone 304 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: was going to prevent me from getting to that next 305 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: level and shooting a mature animal. Right. Um. But the 306 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: exciting thing about that is, and I think we're having 307 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: an open mind and setting goals is is once you 308 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: decide to do that, it's like you're a kid again. 309 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: It's like you're a kid for the first time going 310 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: out on an exploration in the woods with your compass 311 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: and not worrying about getting lost because you're just doing 312 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: a walk about on an adventure. You're experiencing all these 313 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: things again for the first time, and that's a lot 314 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: of fun. There's a lot of fun or adventure in it. 315 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: So I think you know your history and then set 316 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: a goal, like what is your what is your goal 317 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: that you want to accomplish? Do starting out, do you 318 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: just want to get on a buck that's in the 319 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: farm or the public land or the area that you're hunting? Um? 320 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: Do you have a certain age class that you want 321 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: to shoot? Do you just want to shoot a dear period? 322 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: You know, often I talked to people and obviously everything 323 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: that's a lot of things that are advertised. Now, like 324 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: you said, there's a lot out there. You can scroll 325 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: through Facebook and it seems like everyone is shooting monster deer, right. 326 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: You kind of get in this echo chamber where it's 327 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: almost like everyone who's hunting or following these pad earns 328 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: is successful. And why am I not? I think what 329 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: people need to realize is that more often than not, 330 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: in the case it is true for me, you're still 331 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: doing several sits or having several hunts where you're seeing 332 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: very few deer um because you're looking or trying to 333 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: set up on that that right set up that gets 334 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: you in front of that target deer that you're after. Uh. 335 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: And I guess that you know, I'm kind of jumping 336 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: around a little. But one one point of that is 337 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: is when people are hunting maybe on a private farm 338 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: or they have a location on public land where they're 339 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: comfortable with hunting. They may see a lot of deer 340 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: in that location, right, and it's attractive because they go 341 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: out and they hunt and they see deer. But quite 342 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: often when you switch to trying to hunt mature animals, 343 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: you end up seeing a lot less dear. It's at 344 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: least that's been my experience. It's sort of the irony 345 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: of of focusing in on these areas where mature animals 346 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: tend to hold up. Uh, you stop seeing you know, 347 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: large herds of dough or several other deer come out 348 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: of these betting areas because um, you know, they're more 349 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: reclusive and and these mature animals secure those areas up 350 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: for themselves. So history and set a goal would be 351 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: the first two things that that I would say, Um, 352 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: and then as far as learning, there is a there's 353 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: a ton of information out there right now. I think 354 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: what I tell people is you can spend a lot 355 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: of time reading. You know, I would say you take 356 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: hill country, and obviously you know with with hill country, 357 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of documentation, a lot of articles you 358 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: can read out there about following a two third elevation line, 359 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: following the lower one third, getting on those scouting a 360 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: property looking for beds, you know, looking for the thick 361 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: on top. I think if you're new to let's say 362 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: a scenario like that, my my recommendation is if you 363 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: have the time to commit, is to get out there 364 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: and observe, and you really have, you know, your whole 365 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: hunting season to do that. But more importantly, you know, 366 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: in in the Midwestern states, in Wisconsin, you know, we 367 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: have this change of season and a lot of the 368 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: dear behavior movement as we know, they adapt to those 369 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: changes in seasons, and they're doing different things during those 370 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: those different times of the year. In the spring, which 371 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: is well documented and well talked about, you can get 372 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: out and really look at where those deer are traveling, 373 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: and where that line was laid down, you know, for 374 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: the previous season, and and what are those key areas 375 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: that you want to look at. But then throughout the summer, 376 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: I really invite people to spend a lot of time 377 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: if they can get out in the woods and just 378 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: camp up next to a tree and again do some 379 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: observation and not only with the intent of seeing dear movement, 380 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: but again observing the whole environment and how everything else 381 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: is reacting. How does the wind travel through that area. 382 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: Because how the wind travels through one area and one 383 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: topography based on the trees, the swirling openings, changes in elevation, 384 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: that pattern that you might see at that specific property, 385 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: it will be repeatable at another property that you may 386 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: encounter either later on that year or later are on 387 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: in life. You know, as you expand a broaden the 388 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: scope of the properties that you hunt. So I can't 389 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: say enough about time in the field and drawing upon 390 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: those observations of not only wind, weather patterns, different topography, 391 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: and then how the deer and other animals react in 392 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: those environments. Yeah, um, yeah, I love that. I'd i'd 393 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: add to and you you kind of alluded to this. 394 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: But the next like step on a lot of that 395 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: is once you observe and learn some of these first areas, 396 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: then a simple way to take that next step is 397 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: to go somewhere new, Like constantly put yourself in new 398 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: situations like that always forces the next learning curve allow 399 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: as you take that next step. Once you figure out, Okay, 400 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: this hilly terrain in Wisconsin. Now I've got that figured out. 401 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: Maybe a couple of years later if you want to 402 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: really keep that growth going, maybe try flat farmland in Minnesota. 403 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: And if you figure that out, and then it's okay, 404 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: let's go to Indiana and do big timber or whatever 405 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: it might be. Um, that seems to be another one 406 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: of those things that that observation and that walking around 407 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: and exploring. You've got to keep on kind of pushing 408 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: to the next thing. And then, like you said, you 409 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: start noticing patterns that relate back to this other thing, 410 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: or you go somewhere new and you realize, oh, this 411 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: is actually a lot like this certain terrain in such 412 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: state or this corner of this area, and all of 413 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: a sudden, these things build off of each other. Yeah, 414 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: So I would I advised to start out in small chunks. Um. 415 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: Obviously you can, you can read, and you can collect 416 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: all kinds of information on different different topographies in different sets, 417 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: whether it's swamp, you know, river bottoms, hill country, farm country, 418 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: and all the different topographies that exist in those. But 419 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: I would you're probably most people are going to have 420 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: in their home area, like what they're willing to travel 421 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: and what they're schedule allows them to travel, there's going 422 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: to be a certain type of topography there. So and 423 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: it's and most likely a certain area that they're comfortable 424 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: with hunting. So the first thing you want to do 425 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: is to say, well, if my goal is to suit 426 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: shoot a certain age class book, like do I believe 427 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: after what I've read and and would have been able 428 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: to do, I believe that this area that I'm hunting 429 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: even could hold that age age class of book. And 430 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, now with with cameras and and other technologies 431 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: that they are able to use in a different mapping software. 432 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's easy, but it's easier to determine 433 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: by use of cameras and other observation during the summer, 434 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: whether it be you know, if you are allowed to 435 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: shine at night and you have access to shine areas 436 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: or adjacent fields, which is another thing I you know, 437 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: I believe in if you have the time to do it, 438 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: because even if you can get eyes on deer that 439 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: in adjacent fields, you could start building out a map 440 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: or a grid of where those deer might be traveling 441 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: in proximity to where you think they're bedded in a 442 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: location that you can hunt, and you can start putting 443 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: those pieces together. But I would focus on on that 444 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: area that you're comfortable with, and then in an area 445 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: that you might have hunted the same way for several years. 446 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: You know, if I take myself and this small farm 447 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: that I hunted for many years as a kid um 448 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: When I started to have this change in mindset, sort of, 449 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: the first thing I knew that I had to do 450 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: is get out of you know, these these fixed sets 451 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: right where I'm thinking in my mind, it's the afternoon, 452 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go sit up in a stand and I'm 453 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: gonna wait for a deer to walk to me. I 454 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: have to get out of that mindset. So then the 455 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: first thing I wanted to determine was, Okay, where on 456 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: this entire property if if any could dear be betting, 457 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: and if they're betting there, how can I access the 458 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: property to not disturb them? And it was sort of 459 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: interesting because I didn't put those two things together right away. 460 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: The first step was really getting mobile, and for a 461 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: lot of people, I think they're transition to mobile. During 462 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: a certain time, climbers were really popular and it was 463 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: an easy way to do that. So for myself, I 464 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: started using a climber and I just set a goal 465 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: for myself that I wasn't gonna sit in the same 466 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: place twice. You know, kind of this arbitrary, silly goal 467 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: if you think about it a little bit, but it 468 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: it really hones in on the element of surprise. Like 469 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: my thought process was, all the stuff that I'm reading 470 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: is pointing me towards the virgin sit or the first 471 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: time that I'm in an area where I feel that 472 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: deer are going to be crossing through or I'm going 473 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: to encounter them coming out of a betting area, is 474 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: my best chance at those deer After that, they're gonna 475 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: pattern me. And I observed this through doing the bad 476 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: behavior of sitting in the same sets over and over again, 477 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: and then over the years finding that observing deer actually 478 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: work their way around me, or other people that I 479 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: was hunting with would tell stories of you know how 480 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: they would look up and look at the side of 481 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: the field where the stand was, or intentionally navigate around 482 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: from year to year and avoid those areas where hunters frequented. Right. 483 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: So it it was this idea of the deer are 484 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 1: pattering you as much as you're trying to pattern the deer. 485 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: So I think a good first step is in figuring 486 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: out that property that you're hunting on is how do 487 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: you have to hunt it, And so the first thing 488 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: I did is get mobile, So I started start hopping 489 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: around right, and by hopping around, it brought me into 490 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: areas where I would see dear travel that I normally 491 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: didn't observe them traveling right because I was always fixated 492 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: on going to these specific thoughts. And then through those 493 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: observations of seeing them travel in those different locations, I 494 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: started putting the pieces together and understanding more of why 495 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: they were there. I was asking the question, why why 496 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: did this deer show up in this location at this time? 497 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: Why are they using you know, this elevation or this ridgeline. 498 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: Because the area that I hunted had a lot of 499 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: hills and valleys in it um adjacent to crop fields. 500 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: Why were they traveling in those patterns? And I guess, 501 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: to make a long story short, through that, the lessons 502 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: that I learned about that particular property was that hunting 503 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: it any more than four to five times a year 504 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: literally was over hunting it. And primarily it was because 505 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: there was only really two key spots on that property. 506 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: We're talking like in eight acre property where deer would 507 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: bed on a consistent basis. Now, the surrounding area had 508 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: three foreignered acres worth of farmland that dropped down the 509 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: river bottom um which had houses along there, which was 510 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: really thick elevation. So what I what I began to realize, 511 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: is that the deer primarily are not actually betting on 512 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: this property at all, um. And there's only a couple 513 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: of key times during the year when they're betting on 514 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: these certain ridge tops, and that was in the early 515 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: season when the foliage was much thicker and they had 516 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: more thick cover on top. But the problem was that 517 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: the way that we predominantly, you know, I hunted with 518 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: a couple of buddies, would access this property. Um, they 519 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: had site advantage on us almost exclusively every time we 520 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: would enter and hunt it in a certain way. So 521 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: I began to break down of you know, I guess 522 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: a plan or a formula for how I would hunt 523 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: the property going forward, and it really consisted of a 524 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: specific time of the year when I would go in 525 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: and hunt it. It would consist of specific locations based 526 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: on where I knew there was betting on the property, 527 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: and then it was highly dependent on access, like how 528 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: I felt I could access it from the primary location 529 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: that we normally accessed it from, versus getting permission to 530 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: access it from other sides, from the adjacent farmers. And 531 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: what's interesting, if I would have known what I know 532 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: now ah as a younger kid, you know, in my teens, 533 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: when it was more free country, like a lot of 534 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: the farmers they just let you roam around and hunt wherever. Um, 535 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: I probably would have killed a lot more bigger stuff 536 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: when I was younger on there because of the way 537 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: that the deer patterned through. But what I but for 538 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: this particular farm, what I recognized is that during the 539 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: early season, if there was a there was a predominant 540 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: line of oaks that ran on these ridges, and then 541 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: there was a line of oaks that ran on the 542 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: adjacent crop field. So probably about a there was a 543 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: half mile ridge line that ran across multiple properties right 544 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: and it's spilled out into a crop field, and then 545 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: the adjacent farmer had another field where he had catalan, 546 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: and then on the back side of that where the 547 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: woods where there was more crops, and then it drops 548 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: down into lowland swamp and marsh um. The deer were 549 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: predominantly betting on the neighboring property kind of in this 550 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: low where there was a lot of raspberry and briar 551 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: and thick, but they would bet on these tops in 552 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: the early season and they would come to feed in 553 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: these oaks. But if you over pressured it, meaning if 554 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: you went and hunted those tops or even the lows 555 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: of those tops where they had line of sight to you, 556 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: and if you went in there and hunted at time 557 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: and time again and I'm talking like two to three 558 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: times in a row and got your scent in there 559 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: or pressured that area, they would vacate the entire property 560 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: and then your your chances of seeing a mature animal 561 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: in that location outside of the rut significantly decreased. So 562 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: and that was that's one of the harder things I think, 563 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: at least for me, it was to change, was to 564 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: actually not hunting area as much, because anyone who enjoys 565 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 1: the outdoors, I mean, when you have the free time, 566 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: you want to get out and hunt. And um, so 567 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: that's where I also think it's incredibly important to expand 568 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: your portfolio of properties every year. Right. Um, if you 569 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: have the time, you know, put multiple properties on your 570 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: list that you want to go out and look at, 571 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: and start expanding that radius of the areas that you're 572 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: willing to go out and hunt and look at and 573 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: even going blind and hunt, because staying away from those 574 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: key spots that you only want to focus on during 575 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: certain times of the year is really important and can 576 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: play into the success of that first sit or that 577 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: virgin hunt that you have. So on that property I 578 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: developed like we can hunt it, you know, opening weekend 579 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,959 Speaker 1: under these specific conditions, if these food sources are there 580 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: and we have to access it a specific way. Predominant 581 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: wind is a southwest wind. We have to come in, 582 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, from the north and loop around the field 583 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: and set up in a specific location where you know, 584 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: line of sight isn't to those hilltops were those mature 585 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: animals could be betting and coming down to us. Um. 586 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: So that was one set and it was like you 587 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: do that hunt, it plays out and then you you 588 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: put it away, you put it on the shelf if 589 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: you will, um, and you go on to other areas. 590 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: And then the other thing I observed about that it 591 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: was kind of a turning point for me for that 592 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: location and property was that during sort of the pre 593 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: month pre rut area, you know, so mid October to 594 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: late October and then you're getting into the rut um, 595 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: mature bucks would use that ridgeline and they would run 596 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 1: it and there were two specific spots where they would 597 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: corral dough and it was thick enough on top where 598 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: the dough would go into these areas to kind of 599 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: hide themselves from the bucks. And again I I didn't 600 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: really learn this. And still I started doing a lot 601 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: of reading, like on the Hunting b site, and you know, 602 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: getting a lot of advice and observations from other hunters 603 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: that were much more experienced in this in this arena, right, 604 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: And so I started thinking, well, how can I put 605 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: these patterns together? So I started testing these theories out right. 606 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: So I'd wait to that certain time of the year 607 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: when you'd start hearing posts about either late morning movement 608 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: or pre rut activity, because in this scenario, you know, 609 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: you quite often see a lot of rubs, a lot 610 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: of scrapes along field edges and common draws. Well, I'm 611 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: going to set up over that scrape that's on that 612 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: field edge, but really not realizing that most likely that 613 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: thing was done during the evening. Um you know, it's 614 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: it's more random than you think directed, but it attracts 615 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: you to want to set up there, versus actually understanding 616 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: how the deer are traveling across that specific piece of 617 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: property and why. And I think the interesting thing about 618 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: being hunting a property for a long time is that 619 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: you've probably observed or spooked or disrupted deer movement on 620 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: that property for many, many years. So through those mistakes 621 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: you can kind of trace back and say, well, why 622 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: why did I spook or disrupt these deer out of 623 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: this area and why were they there? And then if 624 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: you start applying some of the teachings of how you 625 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: hunt the leeward side of a ridge during the pre rut, 626 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: or why a buck would be traveling that on a 627 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: specific wind, or why are those dough going to that 628 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: area on that ridge to bed And again it's timing, 629 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 1: timing of the year, backing off and only going in. 630 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: And that property is no longer in the family. But 631 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: the last um four years I hunted it, I was 632 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: I was fortunately tagged out during that kind of prime time, 633 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: but I had a friend local that would still hunt 634 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: it with me, and and I took him back on 635 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,919 Speaker 1: that property and applied some of these principles of moon 636 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: phase movement in the morning as well as that pattern 637 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: that I figured out of how bucks would corral dough 638 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: in that specific area. And there were three years in 639 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: a row where I put my buddy on a buck 640 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: more than one buck that was you know, or bigger, 641 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: which for him, you know, it was a great buck. Unfortunately, 642 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: and hopefully he doesn't get upset with me for saying this, 643 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: he bagged the shot on all all three of them. 644 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: I have footage. I have footage of a couple of 645 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: them because I was I was filming. But the reason 646 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: why I tell that story is is because I think 647 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: for people starting out on this, it's it's proof that 648 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: you can break like old patterns that you have, or 649 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: old ideas that you have about um a property that 650 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: you haunt, or even a certain topography that you haunt 651 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: a lot of. And during the course of doing that, 652 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 1: I mean, you get a lot of naysayers, You get 653 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people that you're around, and you start 654 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: talking about these philosophies and maybe not so much now, 655 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean again, you get you get a little bit 656 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: in these what I call an echo chamber. Everyone's talking 657 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: about mobile hunting, and these teachings have been told so 658 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: many times now that I feel like a lot of 659 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: people are teaching the same things, which is great so 660 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,760 Speaker 1: now it's for me, it's about looking for the nuance 661 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: or looking for what you know those quiet killers are 662 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: doing that are killing big deer every year, but aren't 663 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,280 Speaker 1: necessarily talking about it. That's that's what I look for, 664 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 1: you know, what are the unique things they're doing. But um, 665 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: you can change your philosophy and the way that you 666 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: hunt stuff, and I think for a lot of hunters 667 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: sometimes it means backing off and not being so aggressive 668 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: and really think about how you go in access wise, 669 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: why the deer are there, and how they're moving through 670 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,720 Speaker 1: that piece of property. And then timing of the year 671 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: is super important, like when are you going in and 672 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: why you know? So I don't know if that answers 673 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: your initial question. It was a long ramble. It was 674 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,879 Speaker 1: good stuff, though, but you you ended it right where 675 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: I wanted to take us, which was fast forwarding from 676 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: these learning experiences you had in previous years up to 677 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: where we are now and you're hunting approach today. And 678 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: the way I thought would be an interesting way to 679 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: examine your current approach is to think about it from 680 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: a time of the year perspective, which which you just 681 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: mentioned how things do change at different parts of the season. So, 682 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: so here's my idea for the restless conversation. I love 683 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: the foundation we just said. Now let's talk about how 684 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: you would apply all of these lessons you've learned over 685 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: the years two hunting each different chunk of the year. 686 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 1: So let's start in the early season and let's talk 687 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, the first I don't know the first week 688 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,720 Speaker 1: of the season. If you're hunting there in your home state, 689 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,240 Speaker 1: that's you know, mid September ish. Can you first describe 690 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: to me what you are keying in on and what 691 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: you're assuming deer will be doing from a betting, feeding, 692 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: and travel perspective. Like when you think early season and 693 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: you're trying to lock down those three aspects, what does 694 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: your mind go to? Yeah, early season, Um, I'm thinking 695 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: primarily about summer patterns, and hopefully, if time permits, you've 696 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: been able to get out and glass or set up 697 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: cameras to start getting intel on your target locations and 698 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: what animals are living in those target locations. Unfortunately, I've 699 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: been able to build up enough of a portfolio of properties, 700 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: Like just this past year, I did a lot more 701 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: hunting out in western Wisconsin and did some turkey hunting 702 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: this spring and added like four more properties that I 703 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: was quote unquote turkey hunting, but ended up scouting all 704 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: of them, uh you know during that time. So what 705 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: I'm what I'm primarily thinking about when I'm walking those properties. 706 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: And if you're thinking about early season, a big obvious 707 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: draw in these locations is oaks, um and whether or 708 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: not you know there's gonna be a healthy acorn crop 709 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: as a primary food source. Um. The second thing is 710 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: is whether you know adjacent fields on private h or 711 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: if you're on public and there's adjacent private that has crops, 712 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: what crops were in there? Is it corn? Is it beans? 713 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: I really like those scenarios where corn is mixed in 714 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: and farm country and it creates those uh protective corridors 715 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: that are right next to or adjacent to betting. Because 716 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of success in that early season 717 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,720 Speaker 1: again with that element of surprise, because I feel mature 718 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: animals get comfortable walking those areas when they're not pressured, right, 719 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:21,800 Speaker 1: And so for me, it's it's food and it's really 720 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: those behaviors of those patterns that the deer are betting 721 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: closer to those food sources in that early season. Um. 722 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: The other thing that I like here in Wisconsin is 723 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: hot weather in that first week because I feel like, 724 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: I feel like really hot weather degrees and nasty, buggy 725 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: weather prevents a lot of hunters from getting off their 726 00:45:53,320 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: couch and going out, which means that the opportunity uh 727 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: for additional hunter pressure in the woods or getting into 728 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: some of those key areas. Uh, they're they're missing out 729 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: right because they're like, oh, it's too hot, dear, don't 730 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: move when it's hot. And that was really one of 731 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,240 Speaker 1: the things that I learned when I initially started hunting 732 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: with Dan that that's you know, it's it's kind of hogwash. 733 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: You know, deer. Deer are living in this environment all 734 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: year round right there. They're living through these different seasons, 735 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,439 Speaker 1: and whether it's ninety degrees out or fifty degrees out, 736 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: they're going to get up and move. They're going to 737 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: get up and feed. Now, their patterns and what they're 738 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: doing during those different temperatures might be a little bit different. 739 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: But I have had success in the early season keying 740 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:51,800 Speaker 1: in on water sources and not necessarily man made water 741 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: sources or lakes or ponds or rivers, but low lying 742 00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: areas that hold water due to rain um, that are 743 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: rather remote. You can get mature animals moving to those areas, 744 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: and if you're monitoring them with a camera, they can 745 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 1: be a really successful spot to slide into in that 746 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,800 Speaker 1: first week to put a kill on a mature book. Um. 747 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 1: So I like remote food sources. One of the obvious 748 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: ones is you know, remote oaks on oak islands in swamps. 749 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 1: That's kind of one of my favorite spots to hunt, 750 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,839 Speaker 1: I would say, in the early season. Um it, it's 751 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,360 Speaker 1: an obvious destination for these deer, and a lot of 752 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: times these deer will get up and move out of 753 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 1: bed early, even though you might have daylight hours that 754 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: are you know, going past at night. These deer getting 755 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,759 Speaker 1: up and moving at three thirty four o'clock in the 756 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,720 Speaker 1: afternoon onto these remote areas to feed if there's oaks 757 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,919 Speaker 1: there and they're dropping a corns during a certain time. 758 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,839 Speaker 1: So I like keying in on on that, on those 759 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:30,319 Speaker 1: remote food sources. So can you walk me through then 760 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 1: maybe either a hypothetical example or maybe an actual real 761 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: life example you can think of of how you would 762 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: set up on kind of an ideal early season situation 763 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: like this, you know, how you'd approach, how you would 764 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: think about the wind, how you would hang your set 765 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: in relation to all these features. I'd love to kind 766 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,879 Speaker 1: of get the nitty gritty of your whole approach there 767 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: in this example. Right. So, UM, one example on like 768 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: a remote watering hole. I mean there was there was 769 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: a specific property that I was that was hunting. Um 770 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: it had a low spot. It was really like a 771 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,800 Speaker 1: mud hole in it, right, And so early in the summer, 772 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: I threw a camera up cell camera up on top 773 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: of this thing, and I was just monitoring it. And 774 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: what was interesting. You know, I still I'm a journal 775 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,239 Speaker 1: or so throughout the season, even if I'm tired at 776 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 1: night when I come home. UM, I forced myself to 777 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,399 Speaker 1: write down a quick journal and scrape a map off 778 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: of ONYX of how the hunt went, what I saw 779 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: and what was going on wind weather, uh, you know, 780 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,360 Speaker 1: the temperature, a quick map of how I saw the 781 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: deer travel. And then I'll start to pair that with 782 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 1: the data that I can collect off of trail cameras 783 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: of times that these deer are traveling to these spots, Um, 784 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: what the temperature is, what day during the week it is, etcetera, etcetera, 785 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: And then I try I'll take that information, and I'll 786 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: map it against what my availability is to hunt, because 787 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 1: that's another reality for a lot of people. There's uh, 788 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,520 Speaker 1: we're not. Not all of us are fortunate enough to 789 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,799 Speaker 1: be able to hunt every single day, which I think, 790 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 1: you know, there's one key factor two for people that 791 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,839 Speaker 1: are starting out in this. If you have the advantage 792 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,840 Speaker 1: to just get out in the field every day and 793 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 1: get up to bat every day, it seems like an 794 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 1: obvious thing, but you're gonna put yourself in the game 795 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 1: more often, not even if you're making mistakes or you're 796 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,279 Speaker 1: screwing up, because you're just you're getting more time out 797 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: in the field and you're learning and observing more. So 798 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: I'll take that data with what I'm seeing on the 799 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: trail cameras and what I have in my journal, and 800 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: and know it's from years prior of when I've observed 801 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, box moving in this area. For this particular 802 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 1: watering hole. Was interesting is that does and fawns would 803 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,840 Speaker 1: move into this watering hole and they would meander in 804 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,240 Speaker 1: this watering hole in broad daylight and in the evening hours. 805 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:09,360 Speaker 1: But you know, more importantly during daylight shooting times, they'd 806 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,439 Speaker 1: walk right in front of the camera they'd spend time 807 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: in the watering hole drinking. Uh smaller bucks that even 808 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,279 Speaker 1: go in there and do some sparring, and they would 809 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 1: constantly be traveling through there. The only time in this 810 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,560 Speaker 1: specific area that I would see a mature buck on 811 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 1: camera was during the hottest days of the summer. And 812 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,480 Speaker 1: what was interesting about this one spot is that this 813 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,239 Speaker 1: particular buck that was a five by six, he he 814 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,400 Speaker 1: would only show up. He showed up on camera three times, 815 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: and it was during the three hottest days of the summer. 816 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: And when he showed up, there were two different directions 817 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,120 Speaker 1: that he was coming from each time that he showed up, 818 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,360 Speaker 1: and he would only extend far enough into view to 819 00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: drink from that watering hole, and then he disappear. Now, 820 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, I know there's studies and theories of whether 821 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,279 Speaker 1: or not Dear you know, you know, can recognize that 822 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,319 Speaker 1: the cameras in the area. I'm of the opinion that 823 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,799 Speaker 1: you know, they do know it's there. They can sense 824 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: it's there, whether it's by sound, shutter noise, or what'sever 825 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: going on with the camera, electromatic, metic field, whatever you 826 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,560 Speaker 1: want to believe or read out there. I think, Dear no, 827 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,600 Speaker 1: when something is added to their environment. That's odd. You know. 828 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,760 Speaker 1: Part of the reason with getting them in there early 829 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 1: and letting them soak for a while is trying to 830 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: avoid that or putting them in locations that are away 831 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,279 Speaker 1: from where you want to hunt. But for this particular set, 832 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to know what was company that 833 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: water hole. So now that I know that a mature 834 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,000 Speaker 1: bucks company to that area, I have a general idea 835 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,080 Speaker 1: of what I want to hunt it. Well, I want 836 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,680 Speaker 1: to hunt it on one of the hotter days, right, 837 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna wait for that really hot day during 838 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 1: the first week of that season to go in there 839 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,839 Speaker 1: and make an attempt on this book because I know 840 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: it's it's traveling to that location. The second thing is 841 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 1: I have an idea based on how this deer showed 842 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 1: up on the camera and how his body was positioned 843 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,320 Speaker 1: as to where he might be coming from. Now, again, 844 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,840 Speaker 1: it's just an idea, right, because the deer could have 845 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: walked around outside the view, a camera could have came 846 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:31,480 Speaker 1: from a different direction. But how do you break that down? Well, 847 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: if you're going into this location, it's blind and it's 848 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,880 Speaker 1: the first time you're you're observing it through a camera 849 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,160 Speaker 1: or hunting it, you may just have to guess, and 850 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,719 Speaker 1: and that educated guess is going to be based on 851 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 1: looking at an aerial map and coming to a conclusion 852 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,880 Speaker 1: based on what you see on the topography as to 853 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 1: where you think this mature deer might be betting. So 854 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,200 Speaker 1: then once I identify that spot where I think that 855 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,719 Speaker 1: deer is going to be betting, then I start to 856 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:12,799 Speaker 1: factor in wind and thermals into my setup for that 857 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,880 Speaker 1: particular watering hole. You know, Um, again, predominant wind in 858 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,560 Speaker 1: a lot of these areas is going to be a 859 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,320 Speaker 1: southwest wind. So that one's a little bit tricky because 860 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,400 Speaker 1: one of the areas where I felt the deer could 861 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,280 Speaker 1: be traveling from would have me at not a wind 862 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: advantage um for accessing it. So, um, I had to 863 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,719 Speaker 1: be creative with my access, meaning I had to think 864 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 1: of a non conventional way to access that watering hole 865 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,280 Speaker 1: instead of taking what would be the the main preferred 866 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 1: trail that you know, every other hunter, maybe it would 867 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 1: take into that property or the trail that that was 868 00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 1: predominantly everyone walked in. So so once I established that direction, 869 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,840 Speaker 1: I think about access. So in this particular case, I 870 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,440 Speaker 1: figured out that, okay, I need to access this location 871 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:15,200 Speaker 1: coming from more of a northwest pitch to angle in 872 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:20,760 Speaker 1: into that location. Um. Then I start thinking about trees 873 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 1: and obvious places where I can set up that I 874 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 1: know of in that location, and that's where I think 875 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,319 Speaker 1: boots on the ground UM. And I don't recommend and 876 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, boots on the ground a week before the season, 877 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,360 Speaker 1: you go in and get out. You might get away 878 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,240 Speaker 1: with doing something like that if you have a large 879 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,759 Speaker 1: weather event, if there's a storm going on or it's 880 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 1: it's raining rather hard. I think you can get away 881 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,359 Speaker 1: with going into those areas and checking things out. If 882 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,560 Speaker 1: you get a washout scenario, that's going to get your 883 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,719 Speaker 1: scent out of there. But I don't recommend, you know, 884 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,760 Speaker 1: going on a walk about and kind of criss crossing 885 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,319 Speaker 1: around the whole area if you plan on hunting it 886 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,799 Speaker 1: in that first week because from a betting perspective, if 887 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,480 Speaker 1: you think about those remote oak islands, there's gonna be 888 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 1: a lot of deer that are that are typically they're 889 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 1: not pushed back, you know. If I think of site 890 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 1: sound safety, you know, and smell, they're going to be 891 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,160 Speaker 1: bedded closer to that food source, and they might be 892 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,759 Speaker 1: bedded up out of the water on those islands, on 893 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,879 Speaker 1: those fringes in the early part of the season, which 894 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,040 Speaker 1: makes them much easier to bump off there if you 895 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,120 Speaker 1: go in there and tromp around. So I really try 896 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 1: to stay out of that area altogether. But if I 897 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,200 Speaker 1: do get a rainy or stormy day and you can 898 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,520 Speaker 1: get in there and look at it if you haven't before, 899 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,160 Speaker 1: then you could take advantage of it and go in 900 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,759 Speaker 1: and pick out a tree. Now, really from there, I 901 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,960 Speaker 1: mean you've heard this. I'm sure you've heard this before 902 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 1: or we've all read about it. But picking the location 903 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,759 Speaker 1: to set up based on wind, I always try to 904 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:15,000 Speaker 1: be facing in a location where my set is facing 905 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,840 Speaker 1: where I believe the deer is going to be coming from, 906 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: and where I have some type of wind advantage. It's 907 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,320 Speaker 1: not necessarily that the wind is going to be coming 908 00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: directly into my face, because I would say, of the 909 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:38,960 Speaker 1: time you don't have that advantage. But where there is 910 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,240 Speaker 1: a just off wind, or so a wind that's cutting 911 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 1: across or at an angle where it won't reach that 912 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,880 Speaker 1: deer before he's in an area where I can shoot him, 913 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 1: I guess if that makes sense. Um. The other important 914 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,440 Speaker 1: thing is is an access. I made this mistake a 915 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:07,280 Speaker 1: lot early on when I was learning these theories, is 916 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,080 Speaker 1: when you're trying to pick that spot where you want 917 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,320 Speaker 1: to set up, because sometimes you know you you I 918 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,959 Speaker 1: go into these locations blind. I mean my schedule now 919 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 1: and what it allows me to do and where I 920 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,120 Speaker 1: get to get out and scout. Sometimes I don't have 921 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 1: the time to go and pre pick a bunch of trees, 922 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,400 Speaker 1: if you will, or really get boots on the ground 923 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,840 Speaker 1: to understand where I need to set up when I 924 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,600 Speaker 1: get in there. So I'm doing a lot of it 925 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:39,840 Speaker 1: on the ground, reading sign when I go in um 926 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,919 Speaker 1: so as a lot of people do. I'm using milk 927 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,720 Speaker 1: weed to check the wind as I'm coming in. But 928 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,840 Speaker 1: what you want to do is get into the spot 929 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 1: and just sit, sit and observe for a little bit 930 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,120 Speaker 1: and take your time. I mean, I Dan he has 931 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,680 Speaker 1: this knack for doing this where he'll just he'll just 932 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,560 Speaker 1: sit and watch an area when he gets into it 933 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,280 Speaker 1: and really take slow down and take the time to 934 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:14,040 Speaker 1: observe what that wind is doing. And if there's an 935 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,680 Speaker 1: idea of where that buck is coming out of bedding, 936 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,240 Speaker 1: think about how that buck is going to be traveling 937 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: out of betting to you because if you walk maybe 938 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,880 Speaker 1: ten yards further and you cross the trail, you can't 939 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,240 Speaker 1: take that back right. Or if you walk twenty yards 940 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,440 Speaker 1: further and you cross the trail, now your sense on 941 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: that trail, and if you backtrack and set up behind 942 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,080 Speaker 1: that and I've seen this happen to me. If that 943 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaker 1: mature animal comes out and they cross your scent, the 944 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,640 Speaker 1: game's up. They're not gonna get to you. They're gonna 945 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,880 Speaker 1: smell you, and they're gonna bust out. So if I'm 946 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: in that situation where I've pushed too far, ali, I 947 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,880 Speaker 1: may vacate the spot, or I just may say, you 948 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,440 Speaker 1: know what, Um, I'm gonna set up here and I'm 949 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:09,040 Speaker 1: gonna hunt and this is gonna you know, I'm gonna 950 01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,320 Speaker 1: see what's gonna happen. So I guess, to answer your 951 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,320 Speaker 1: question more directly, it's it's taking the time once I 952 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,960 Speaker 1: get into the location to really understand how the wind 953 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,440 Speaker 1: is channeling through there, and the wind you're going to 954 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,880 Speaker 1: have the predominant wind that the weather report tells you, 955 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:29,040 Speaker 1: but wind moves through these areas differently based on how 956 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,600 Speaker 1: the layout of trees are. You know, in this particular 957 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,680 Speaker 1: case where there's a watering hole, all the mature trees 958 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,400 Speaker 1: kind of wrapped around it, and there's taller swamp grass 959 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,360 Speaker 1: and cattails on the back side of it. But it 960 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:46,680 Speaker 1: creates a bowl or a swirling effect, right, So as 961 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,800 Speaker 1: the winds blowing into it, you've got to think about 962 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,320 Speaker 1: how that wind is wrapping around that bowl and when 963 01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,080 Speaker 1: that buck enters it, how are they going to use 964 01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,040 Speaker 1: that to their advantage to wind you. And I'm thinking 965 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,720 Speaker 1: about the spot where that buck enters that bowl, where 966 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:10,160 Speaker 1: that watering hole is that I can shoot too, where 967 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,040 Speaker 1: he will not have the wind advantage on me. That's 968 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:19,360 Speaker 1: what's going through my mind. And then obviously with wet 969 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:24,080 Speaker 1: and water, right when it hits that dusk moment and 970 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,800 Speaker 1: the wind dies down, then you're thinking about the thermal 971 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:33,720 Speaker 1: poll and how that's changing. So yeah, all that stuff 972 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,480 Speaker 1: is going through my mind when I'm thinking about a 973 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:41,360 Speaker 1: set up that is that was perfect. I couldn't have 974 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:46,280 Speaker 1: asked for a better detailed description of how you think 975 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,600 Speaker 1: through that. So you are you're an A grade student 976 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,040 Speaker 1: in the class of this This podcast ed him Ario 977 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 1: and what I want to do because I was so good. 978 01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,000 Speaker 1: I want to have you do it all over again, 979 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,200 Speaker 1: but fast forward a month. So let's go from that, 980 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, kind of mid to lay September time period 981 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,480 Speaker 1: you just discussed, and let's jump up to like October 982 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,400 Speaker 1: give or take right around there. So part one would 983 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,200 Speaker 1: be what are the things you're keying in on, you know, 984 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,120 Speaker 1: the food, the betting, and the movement, and then part 985 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,080 Speaker 1: two would be what you just did there, which is 986 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,160 Speaker 1: then describe your whole thought process to setting up on that. Um. 987 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm being lazy because I'm not asking 988 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,440 Speaker 1: a lot of foul up questions, but you're you're covering 989 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:35,480 Speaker 1: it so well, you're making my job easy. All right? Well, thanks, um, 990 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,440 Speaker 1: and I will know you know that one watering hole 991 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:46,160 Speaker 1: scenario with with remote food sources. Um. There, here's one 992 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,360 Speaker 1: thing I learned to when I first started hunting mobile 993 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,000 Speaker 1: like this, and I started hunting remote islands and swamps, 994 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:58,160 Speaker 1: So I started hunting fringes, right, these edges or transitions, 995 01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 1: as we hear a lot that they're called these changes 996 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:05,600 Speaker 1: in topographies. My first natural instinct early in the season was, Hey, 997 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,200 Speaker 1: I gotta push to the edge on everything, right, I 998 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:12,920 Speaker 1: gotta get on the edge. And what I learned, Um, 999 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, I got busted a couple of times on 1000 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,760 Speaker 1: some really nice deer. Is that that pushing to the 1001 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:25,760 Speaker 1: fringe really doesn't come until later in the year, until 1002 01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:32,400 Speaker 1: that mid October later October, that conversation that we're transitioning 1003 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,000 Speaker 1: into that actually when you're hunting these food sources and 1004 01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:40,080 Speaker 1: they are primary food sources on these islands, that those 1005 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,040 Speaker 1: deer will move to the center of those islands. So 1006 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, you want to find that. Like in the 1007 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,560 Speaker 1: case of this watering hole, it when they would come 1008 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 1: out of betting and they stage in a certain area. 1009 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,440 Speaker 1: This was a destination that they were coming to in 1010 01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:59,680 Speaker 1: daylight and it was an area that you could sit 1011 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,320 Speaker 1: act in that was further away from betting, but they 1012 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,320 Speaker 1: were still getting to in daylight right in that early 1013 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:13,160 Speaker 1: season pattern. Um, which because the foliage changes and the 1014 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,520 Speaker 1: cover changes as you transition into the later months, they 1015 01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,240 Speaker 1: likely will not be traveling, you know, that far in 1016 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,800 Speaker 1: daylight as you get later on in the season. So 1017 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,280 Speaker 1: that same spot that's good in the early season then 1018 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,200 Speaker 1: drives up or is not as good because of the 1019 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,240 Speaker 1: change in the cover later in the season. And I 1020 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:41,160 Speaker 1: feel like sometimes those those remote sets when it's hot 1021 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,120 Speaker 1: and humid. I mean, I've had a case one year 1022 01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:49,720 Speaker 1: where I pegged betting to be to my north, and 1023 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,840 Speaker 1: really betting could have been to myself or to my east, 1024 01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,960 Speaker 1: but I made up my mind that I was gonna 1025 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:04,080 Speaker 1: see have bet income, you know, travel come from the north. 1026 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,320 Speaker 1: And that was based on some previous years experience where 1027 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,440 Speaker 1: I observed a book that I didn't want to shoot, 1028 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,120 Speaker 1: but he came right in set in the oaks, right 1029 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,720 Speaker 1: in the middle. Wasn't the age class book I wanted 1030 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,400 Speaker 1: to shoot, but I got a good video of him 1031 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,800 Speaker 1: walking right on through. So then I knew that if 1032 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,320 Speaker 1: oaks were dropping again, I wanted to get in there 1033 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,640 Speaker 1: and hunt that. Now what I learned through that hunt. 1034 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,640 Speaker 1: It was a super hot, calm night. And you ever 1035 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,600 Speaker 1: get in those sits on those nights where your scent 1036 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 1: is literally just hanging in the dance do so everything 1037 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,400 Speaker 1: was just dropping right right below my stand, and in 1038 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:50,920 Speaker 1: that case, it happened to be where the betting that 1039 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:56,200 Speaker 1: was being utilized was directly behind me, unfortunately, and I 1040 01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:04,600 Speaker 1: had three shoot bucks that came from behind me, one 1041 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,000 Speaker 1: of which was charging right in to go to the 1042 01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,880 Speaker 1: center of those oaks. But the way that the way 1043 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:16,919 Speaker 1: that they accessed that one ended up coming right underneath 1044 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,560 Speaker 1: me where I was set up, and he got right 1045 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,720 Speaker 1: underneath me, and there was a bunch of foliage and 1046 01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:29,160 Speaker 1: he froze, stopped deadness tracks underneath me, you know, started 1047 01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:33,720 Speaker 1: licking his nose, raising his nose up, and he spent 1048 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,880 Speaker 1: about you know what seemed like an eternity there. I 1049 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,520 Speaker 1: didn't have a shot because it was directly underneath me 1050 01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:43,880 Speaker 1: and there was branches, um, but that buck immediately pivoted 1051 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,920 Speaker 1: and slowly walked back off behind me, and I tried 1052 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,720 Speaker 1: to kind of swing everything around right because I'm facing north, 1053 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,640 Speaker 1: because I'm expecting everything to come from the north, but 1054 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,080 Speaker 1: they actually came from myself. So when I spun around, 1055 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,320 Speaker 1: I actually realized and I got the camera that there 1056 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,560 Speaker 1: were two other books, um, one of which was a 1057 01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,000 Speaker 1: larger book that were back further in the thick that 1058 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:13,720 Speaker 1: we're also coming out to that oak flat to feed UM. Now, 1059 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,320 Speaker 1: the lesson that I learned from that, I know you 1060 01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,600 Speaker 1: wanted to get into October, which we'll get to. The 1061 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,200 Speaker 1: lesson that I learned from that. The point I want 1062 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,880 Speaker 1: to make two people is that's not yeah, it's a failure, 1063 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,120 Speaker 1: but it's a failure that I can put in my 1064 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,560 Speaker 1: bank and put in my journals that the next time 1065 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,040 Speaker 1: that this scenario, and it may not be in that 1066 01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,720 Speaker 1: specific property, right, it may be on another property that's 1067 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,440 Speaker 1: got a very similar scenario. How do I set up 1068 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:44,840 Speaker 1: in that location where I'm good to shoot to both 1069 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:50,280 Speaker 1: access directions for both directions where I feel deer could 1070 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:55,160 Speaker 1: be coming from. And so there there was a way, 1071 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,720 Speaker 1: after I really thought about it, how I could have 1072 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:02,680 Speaker 1: set up in that location and where I feel all 1073 01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,600 Speaker 1: three of those bucks would have walked to the center 1074 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,440 Speaker 1: of that oak flat um. And that was a you know, 1075 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,320 Speaker 1: a hard lesson to learn, but a lesson learned that 1076 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,080 Speaker 1: the next time I'm in that scenario. That's another thing. 1077 01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,799 Speaker 1: When I'm boots on the ground and I'm looking around 1078 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,840 Speaker 1: and I'm determining where to set up, I'm not getting 1079 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,839 Speaker 1: hyper focused on one area that I know there's betting. 1080 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, well, if there's multiple locations they could 1081 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,719 Speaker 1: be coming from where I know that there is betting, 1082 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,479 Speaker 1: I know that bucks could be betting there. How do 1083 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,439 Speaker 1: I set up to shoot the first time they enter 1084 01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,639 Speaker 1: into this you know, my shooting zone. I'll call it 1085 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,559 Speaker 1: when they access the food source. So I just wanted 1086 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:50,200 Speaker 1: to share that because I had I probably learned way 1087 01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,400 Speaker 1: more from the misses and failures that I've done than 1088 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:59,679 Speaker 1: from the books that I've killed, you know, listeners. So anyways, 1089 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,519 Speaker 1: onto the I think, you know, my next favorite time 1090 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:09,320 Speaker 1: and to hunt is is the pre rut. So I 1091 01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,960 Speaker 1: think the rut and a lot of people you know, 1092 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,320 Speaker 1: talk about this. It gets a little chaotic, right, It's 1093 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:23,439 Speaker 1: hard to pattern mature animals depending on where the hot 1094 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:27,360 Speaker 1: dough is at in the area that you're hunting. Um. 1095 01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,960 Speaker 1: You know, this is pretty well documented, but a lot 1096 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,840 Speaker 1: of people start to pattern during the rut doll betting 1097 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:38,519 Speaker 1: areas and think about, like I think about how mature 1098 01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,479 Speaker 1: animals are traveling through a specific area to scent check 1099 01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,639 Speaker 1: doll betting areas more so during the rut than I'm 1100 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:52,040 Speaker 1: specifically thinking about where bucks are betted, maybe in a 1101 01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,519 Speaker 1: primary betting scenario like I would think about in the 1102 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,719 Speaker 1: early season, um, because I think they start to bet 1103 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,880 Speaker 1: in different satellite loca sans to monitor dome or and 1104 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:06,240 Speaker 1: monitor that kind of traffic. So because of that, because 1105 01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,360 Speaker 1: of that chaos, I think that the next favorite time 1106 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,840 Speaker 1: is really in that pre rut because, Um, during the 1107 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,240 Speaker 1: pre rut, I feel like you get a lot more 1108 01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:24,439 Speaker 1: daytime movement um earlier because bucks are out, bucks are 1109 01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,759 Speaker 1: still betting in there what I call you know, safe 1110 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,640 Speaker 1: zones or their areas that they feel are they have 1111 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:38,000 Speaker 1: an advantage for you know, site, smell, sound, and and safety. Right. 1112 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like that combination that they 1113 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,200 Speaker 1: it's their home area that they feel comfortable in, but 1114 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,160 Speaker 1: they're getting up and they're traveling earlier because they're going 1115 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:53,040 Speaker 1: out and they're checking community scrape areas, or they're traveling 1116 01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,120 Speaker 1: around and there they might start to be checking on 1117 01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:00,200 Speaker 1: dope betting areas and for that reason, they're getting up 1118 01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:04,880 Speaker 1: out of their beds earlier or in the mornings, they're 1119 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:09,720 Speaker 1: traveling back to betting later. And I think, Um, that 1120 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:14,559 Speaker 1: particular scenario actually got me my buck last year, I 1121 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:18,320 Speaker 1: believe because the buck that I ended up shooting off 1122 01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:24,879 Speaker 1: the ground. Um, I'm pretty confident that the only reason 1123 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:29,880 Speaker 1: that deer was traveling in the direction that it was 1124 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 1: during you know, the between seven and eight o'clock in 1125 01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:42,080 Speaker 1: the morning was because it was late getting back to betting, 1126 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:49,519 Speaker 1: because he was out perusing around, checking scrapes and so forth. 1127 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:54,439 Speaker 1: And so I like that scenario because if you've pre 1128 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,559 Speaker 1: scouted betting areas or you know how a piece of 1129 01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:02,280 Speaker 1: property lays out, like where you know where the primary 1130 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,920 Speaker 1: betting is for bucks, or you've observed bucks betting there before, 1131 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,639 Speaker 1: or you've gone in in the preseason and you've actually 1132 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:13,200 Speaker 1: found areas that you believe bucks are betting in, and 1133 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:18,640 Speaker 1: you know there's adjacent areas where those are betting. You 1134 01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:23,520 Speaker 1: can start setting up um two key on those travel corridors, 1135 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,280 Speaker 1: if you will, or those areas where bucks will be 1136 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,320 Speaker 1: coming back to betting in the morning late or they'll 1137 01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,599 Speaker 1: be getting up out of betting early in the evening. 1138 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:40,839 Speaker 1: And the particular hunt last year, I had walked across 1139 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:45,240 Speaker 1: on my way in and I there was a scrape 1140 01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:51,120 Speaker 1: that opened up right and I would consider this was, 1141 01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, a scrape that I hadn't seen there in 1142 01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,560 Speaker 1: years past, but it was kind of in a primary 1143 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,400 Speaker 1: area where a lot of deer based on how the 1144 01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:06,840 Speaker 1: land laid out, because it was an area of high 1145 01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:11,599 Speaker 1: ground that was adjacent to a Tamarack swamp that then 1146 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,120 Speaker 1: to the east and then to the west. There were 1147 01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:20,440 Speaker 1: two cattail marshes right that was split by a peninsula. 1148 01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:22,960 Speaker 1: So if you think about it, it kind of looked 1149 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,760 Speaker 1: like a big cross or a big X if you will, 1150 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,800 Speaker 1: of how the high ground laid out with the adjacent 1151 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:35,720 Speaker 1: lowland around it, and this scrape kind of centered itself 1152 01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,080 Speaker 1: in those travel patterns of the high ground in the 1153 01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,680 Speaker 1: lower ground. And what was caught my eye on this 1154 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,040 Speaker 1: I remember snapping a picture of and actually sending it 1155 01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,439 Speaker 1: to Joe, was there was a giant turd in this 1156 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,960 Speaker 1: scrape and it was like a It was like a 1157 01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,679 Speaker 1: week a week earlier, two weeks earlier, when I noticed 1158 01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,320 Speaker 1: that the scrape was active and it had this fresh 1159 01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,680 Speaker 1: sign in there. But I had my mindset on, you know, 1160 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,760 Speaker 1: like I said, I plan out kind of where I 1161 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,320 Speaker 1: want to hop around or these areas that I want 1162 01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:13,880 Speaker 1: to hunt based on previous patterns, or if I'm lucky enough, 1163 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,400 Speaker 1: I've been monitoring a deer that's in an area, So 1164 01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm hopping around, hunting down or grid hunting an area 1165 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,400 Speaker 1: to get closer and closer to where I want to 1166 01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:30,560 Speaker 1: go in to hunt a specific animal or a specific 1167 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,720 Speaker 1: betting area, if you will. Right, that's holding has the 1168 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,240 Speaker 1: potential to hold multiple animals, and so I just walked 1169 01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:43,080 Speaker 1: by this right. Um, the night before I was out 1170 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,920 Speaker 1: in western Wisconsin for a few days and I was 1171 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,519 Speaker 1: hunting down there. Had an encounter with a really nice book, 1172 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,639 Speaker 1: one of those scenarios where we posted a video online 1173 01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,160 Speaker 1: of it. But um, it was I was freezing my 1174 01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,639 Speaker 1: butt off. I'm I'm a human being like everyone else. 1175 01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,800 Speaker 1: You know, we all again are mistakes that we make. 1176 01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,559 Speaker 1: It was raining, it was cold, I had it was 1177 01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,720 Speaker 1: just getting like it was right on the ageless light. 1178 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,600 Speaker 1: Dropped my bow down and sure if I hear, I 1179 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,120 Speaker 1: hear a snap. And I look over and here's this. 1180 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,960 Speaker 1: After I watched immature buck. After immature buck walk past, 1181 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,640 Speaker 1: I watched do walk past all this stuff. Put my 1182 01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,439 Speaker 1: bow down, and here comes the big daddy. But I 1183 01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,840 Speaker 1: got a nice little show. He walked right past me 1184 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,760 Speaker 1: and torched a tree behind me, and I filmed him 1185 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,160 Speaker 1: and it was all good. And I put that on 1186 01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:35,400 Speaker 1: my bank for right. I put that in my bank 1187 01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,679 Speaker 1: for for you know, this year and years to come 1188 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,400 Speaker 1: if I if I get down and hunt that area again. 1189 01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,680 Speaker 1: So I'm feeling sorry for myself. I'm like two and 1190 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:51,679 Speaker 1: a half hours away from home, drive back home, get 1191 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,000 Speaker 1: get back home at like eleven love and thirty and 1192 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, the first thing that pops into 1193 01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,200 Speaker 1: my head is that scrape. Right, So it's late October 1194 01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,160 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, there's there's a lot of 1195 01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:10,280 Speaker 1: getting a lot of reports that there's morning movement happening, 1196 01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, reading online, and there's a lot more daylight 1197 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:18,559 Speaker 1: movement books are getting laid back to their beds. Um. 1198 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,200 Speaker 1: I think that that scrape, that area that I saw 1199 01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:29,800 Speaker 1: deserves a morning hunt, and specifically because of you know, 1200 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,439 Speaker 1: where I knew from from previous years hunting, where the 1201 01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,040 Speaker 1: betting locations can be and where these animals might be 1202 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:42,400 Speaker 1: going back. So I set up in that location. And 1203 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of funny because at I was 1204 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,320 Speaker 1: deciding back and forth where I set up in the 1205 01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,280 Speaker 1: standard set up on the ground. I ended up based 1206 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,000 Speaker 1: on just how the area laid out. I ditched my 1207 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,720 Speaker 1: stand and just set up on the ground and ended 1208 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:04,679 Speaker 1: up being on the ground. But at seven ten there's 1209 01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,840 Speaker 1: there's like a walking trail, you know, I had other 1210 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:12,760 Speaker 1: hunter walked past me um and at seven fifteen, you know, 1211 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,320 Speaker 1: after that that hunter walked through and went to where 1212 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:23,919 Speaker 1: they were going. A small buck came out of betting 1213 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,960 Speaker 1: across the woods and check that scrape. And then not 1214 01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,559 Speaker 1: five minutes later, you know, the bigger eight pointer that 1215 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:35,040 Speaker 1: ended up shooting came walking right down that what I 1216 01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,160 Speaker 1: would call the human trail right you know where they 1217 01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:43,280 Speaker 1: they will tolerate scent, you know, or access on that trail, 1218 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:48,479 Speaker 1: but not off the trail, and paralleled me and then 1219 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:53,080 Speaker 1: immediately turned and went right to that scrape and check 1220 01:17:53,200 --> 01:18:00,000 Speaker 1: that scrape. At about seven in the morning, and after 1221 01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:04,519 Speaker 1: or I shot that book, uh, and that scenario played out, 1222 01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,160 Speaker 1: I went and I traced like the steps because I 1223 01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,519 Speaker 1: had never you know, when I saw that's great, I 1224 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,240 Speaker 1: didn't follow it back to where I knew the betting 1225 01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,760 Speaker 1: location was there anything. So after I shot that book, 1226 01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,160 Speaker 1: I actually took the time to walk back and go 1227 01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:25,719 Speaker 1: look in the area where that trail angled back towards betting, 1228 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,240 Speaker 1: and in the thicker areas that were covered. You know, 1229 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:33,440 Speaker 1: we we have a lot of buckthorn that's really consuming 1230 01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:37,360 Speaker 1: a lot of these areas that we hunt. Um, it 1231 01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:41,000 Speaker 1: can be very tricky and troublesome to hunt because it 1232 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,519 Speaker 1: overgrows everything and you don't get a lot of sapling 1233 01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,880 Speaker 1: trees that are growing up anymore. It's just literally walls 1234 01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,680 Speaker 1: of buckthorn. But the deer oal form corridors through it 1235 01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,920 Speaker 1: and they like to travel in it. But what was 1236 01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:56,200 Speaker 1: interesting is is once that once I got past that 1237 01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,640 Speaker 1: open area where it actually shot the book, and I 1238 01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,799 Speaker 1: got in on that armory trail leading back to betting, 1239 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:07,479 Speaker 1: this whole sort of bedroom opened up. This book had 1240 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:16,200 Speaker 1: multiple scrapes, um rubs all inside this protective little comb 1241 01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:23,280 Speaker 1: of of buckthorn ah that led back to his area 1242 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,479 Speaker 1: that he was. You know what, I believe at that 1243 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,559 Speaker 1: time he was obviously betting at so um. I don't know. 1244 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:34,280 Speaker 1: That was a long I guess story about how that 1245 01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:40,000 Speaker 1: particular time from you know, the twenty October through early November. 1246 01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,439 Speaker 1: I feel like you can pattern books based on where 1247 01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,800 Speaker 1: their primary betting locations are, but they're going to be 1248 01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,120 Speaker 1: on their feet more in daylight. And if you can 1249 01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:58,200 Speaker 1: get on hot sign, like when you see it, get 1250 01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,160 Speaker 1: on it within you know, in this case, it was 1251 01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,800 Speaker 1: within a week of it. And I think the personality 1252 01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,400 Speaker 1: of that book he was, he was probably a little 1253 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,080 Speaker 1: more outgoing than maybe you know, other books. I think 1254 01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,360 Speaker 1: animals have different personalities and how much they show themselves 1255 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,760 Speaker 1: daylight and so forth. But I I believe that Buck 1256 01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,519 Speaker 1: was late getting back to betting because he was out 1257 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,760 Speaker 1: rooting around and unfortunately he uh, unfortunately for me, he 1258 01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:26,040 Speaker 1: ran into me, and unfortunately for him, you know, it 1259 01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:30,920 Speaker 1: didn't end up so good for him. But real quickly 1260 01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:35,000 Speaker 1: you mentioned how I think this is what you said, 1261 01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,599 Speaker 1: was that he came up that human access trail, right, 1262 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,120 Speaker 1: And I know I've heard you in the past you 1263 01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:46,080 Speaker 1: and and talk about sometimes using a similar approach to that, 1264 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,720 Speaker 1: to creating your own access trails, and that you will 1265 01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,040 Speaker 1: if you're hunting a given area and you think you're 1266 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,360 Speaker 1: gonna hunt it multiple times, you'll use the same exact 1267 01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,920 Speaker 1: access trail, so that deer eventually become used to Okay, 1268 01:20:57,960 --> 01:20:59,760 Speaker 1: this is where there's where there's human scent and they're 1269 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,000 Speaker 1: used to that, but it's not everywhere. Um. Can you 1270 01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,680 Speaker 1: just expand a little bit more on on that kind 1271 01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,559 Speaker 1: of idea, or if I got it wrong, how you 1272 01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,000 Speaker 1: think about some of these access concepts and how sometimes 1273 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,280 Speaker 1: there's somewhat counterintuitive ways to go about it so that 1274 01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,080 Speaker 1: deer get used to it in some places, and and 1275 01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:21,080 Speaker 1: feel comfortable elsewhere. But you can take advantage of that, yeah, 1276 01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:25,120 Speaker 1: I think. I mean, you can observe this. And if 1277 01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,720 Speaker 1: you live in a subdivision and you have, like I 1278 01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,200 Speaker 1: had forty acres, used to have forty acres behind me, right, 1279 01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,880 Speaker 1: and they clear cut part of it and they started 1280 01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:38,479 Speaker 1: building houses. But there was a herd of deer fifteen 1281 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,519 Speaker 1: or so dear that lived back in that forty right. 1282 01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,920 Speaker 1: So I've lived in the spot I think for like 1283 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,840 Speaker 1: thirteen years now. Um So I would watch these deer 1284 01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:51,360 Speaker 1: move up off the ridge and come down off of 1285 01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,120 Speaker 1: bedding primarily though, right, you can go up there and 1286 01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,680 Speaker 1: find their beds around there. I'd walk up there with 1287 01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,760 Speaker 1: my kids and stuff. Um But what is interesting to 1288 01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:05,040 Speaker 1: me is to watch as this area has been developed, 1289 01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:12,640 Speaker 1: watch how these deer move through this new subdivision. Um So, 1290 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,280 Speaker 1: I knew the primary trails through watching them of how 1291 01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:20,200 Speaker 1: they've come down off the hills, and even with all 1292 01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:25,080 Speaker 1: the disruption of the construction, those deer would still follow 1293 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:31,880 Speaker 1: the same pattern down off those hills. And how they 1294 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:36,479 Speaker 1: get used to human pressure I think is interesting as well, 1295 01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:41,360 Speaker 1: because at a certain point, as you know, people would 1296 01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,960 Speaker 1: start walking back there and you could observe people walking 1297 01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:51,200 Speaker 1: next to the deer feeding right in the adjacent field. Um, 1298 01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:56,519 Speaker 1: they would tolerate you walking on the you know, newly 1299 01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:00,640 Speaker 1: minted sidewalk right and they would watch to you and 1300 01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,920 Speaker 1: observe you there, but the moment that you stepped into 1301 01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, that field or that area, they weren't comfortable 1302 01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,720 Speaker 1: with that. And then now as time has gone on 1303 01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,639 Speaker 1: and there's more and more activity and more and more 1304 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,160 Speaker 1: houses being built in the green space, you see less 1305 01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,400 Speaker 1: and less dear and there. And maybe that seems obvious, 1306 01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:28,360 Speaker 1: but they won't there. They become less and less tolerant 1307 01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:33,000 Speaker 1: of those areas where people are walking or there's high 1308 01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:36,840 Speaker 1: traffic areas. So when I look at a scenario when 1309 01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:41,439 Speaker 1: you're hunting a piece of property and you're you want 1310 01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:45,920 Speaker 1: to look at your access as not just I need 1311 01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,320 Speaker 1: to get into the property and then kind of sprawl 1312 01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,000 Speaker 1: from there and figure out where I'm going to hunt. 1313 01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,840 Speaker 1: You want to look at your access from an advantage point, 1314 01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,240 Speaker 1: like how can I get access the property and be 1315 01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:04,680 Speaker 1: uh that the least disruptive as possible. So and you 1316 01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:09,320 Speaker 1: have control over that, right. So we a lot of 1317 01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:13,400 Speaker 1: times hunting groups, you know, or there's multiple ones of 1318 01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:17,639 Speaker 1: us that know about different properties or areas. So we'll 1319 01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,800 Speaker 1: we'll kind of split up during a weekend and we'll 1320 01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,639 Speaker 1: all go and hunt these kind of go to target 1321 01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,320 Speaker 1: areas and then you know, for successful great or we'll 1322 01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,599 Speaker 1: report back with what we saw and then we'll move 1323 01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:35,639 Speaker 1: on to the next What's really important between that group 1324 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:42,600 Speaker 1: is that everyone understands how to access it and why. 1325 01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:46,640 Speaker 1: So again, access is going to be controlled by you know, 1326 01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:52,920 Speaker 1: first and foremost what you have property rights too to access. 1327 01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't have a choice, you can only go 1328 01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,960 Speaker 1: in a certain way, but other times you do have 1329 01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,720 Speaker 1: a choice. I mean, maybe there's a side row or 1330 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,280 Speaker 1: there's another non conventional way on the back side of 1331 01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,600 Speaker 1: a piece of public that you can access it that 1332 01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:13,639 Speaker 1: gives you a site sound, you know, safety and smell 1333 01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:19,439 Speaker 1: advantage from accessing that property. And then once you determine that, 1334 01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, based on not just one location or one 1335 01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,120 Speaker 1: area you may want to hunt in there, but the 1336 01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:32,559 Speaker 1: access that gives you an advantage for multiple areas that 1337 01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,559 Speaker 1: you might want to hunt in it. And what I 1338 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,519 Speaker 1: mean by that is a lot of times we approach 1339 01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:42,519 Speaker 1: these areas and and grid them out or stage them. 1340 01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:46,720 Speaker 1: If you will maybe if it's a larger, you know, 1341 01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:53,200 Speaker 1: thousand acre, you know, public, public area. There's a lot 1342 01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:58,400 Speaker 1: of options, but you have to think about a specific 1343 01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,479 Speaker 1: way that you want to access it. So when you're 1344 01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:08,439 Speaker 1: accessing it, you're not burning locations that you want to hunt. Um, 1345 01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,040 Speaker 1: so access it in a way where you're going to 1346 01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:15,599 Speaker 1: reach your first destination that you want to hunt. First 1347 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:21,240 Speaker 1: hunt it, check it off your list, and then continue 1348 01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:24,360 Speaker 1: your access the same way. So the next time you 1349 01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,519 Speaker 1: come in, you're going to access the exact same way, 1350 01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,679 Speaker 1: walk past that location that you already hunted, but then 1351 01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,720 Speaker 1: push on to the next part in the grid that 1352 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,560 Speaker 1: you want to hunt, and be very kind of specific 1353 01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:44,280 Speaker 1: not to meander around. Now I will say, uh, you know, 1354 01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:47,200 Speaker 1: the rules get thrown out the window. Obviously when you 1355 01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:52,320 Speaker 1: see sign on you know when you have boots on 1356 01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:56,200 Speaker 1: the ground, so you want to pair that with matching 1357 01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,479 Speaker 1: it with the sign that you're seeing boots on the ground. 1358 01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,760 Speaker 1: So the other thing that we talk about is that 1359 01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,360 Speaker 1: when you're going into these spots, we may have pre 1360 01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:08,240 Speaker 1: scouted something and we might have ideas of where a 1361 01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,760 Speaker 1: location is in a destination and how we want to 1362 01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:15,920 Speaker 1: access it. But if you get there and the sign 1363 01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:21,479 Speaker 1: is just junk, then then move on right, move on 1364 01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:26,559 Speaker 1: to the next access point where the sign starts looking better, 1365 01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:34,120 Speaker 1: and set up there. Um. The key key point, I 1366 01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,840 Speaker 1: guess is what you're saying is is that if you 1367 01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,800 Speaker 1: are going in there again, I already know that I've 1368 01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:46,080 Speaker 1: got my scent, and I'm already assuming that any mature 1369 01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:50,120 Speaker 1: animal in the area knows that I've been there on 1370 01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,760 Speaker 1: that specific trail or that specific access route that I've 1371 01:27:53,800 --> 01:28:00,439 Speaker 1: gone in. If I'm not bumping, dear constant when I'm 1372 01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:04,599 Speaker 1: traveling in that access point, the deer will get used 1373 01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:08,719 Speaker 1: to or accustomed to you or other hunters or people 1374 01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:13,559 Speaker 1: in general traveling in those areas. That's why, you know, 1375 01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:15,840 Speaker 1: a lot of times on public areas sometimes they'll have 1376 01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,320 Speaker 1: you know a lot of times around here. They create 1377 01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,479 Speaker 1: a lot of free walking trails that run through these 1378 01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:29,120 Speaker 1: different public hunting areas or as different communities or subdivisions 1379 01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,800 Speaker 1: expand and build out, public land shrinks down, and you 1380 01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,600 Speaker 1: get these little slivers of public land that are adjacent 1381 01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:41,120 Speaker 1: to parks and areas where people are walking, whether it's 1382 01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:48,080 Speaker 1: hikers or hunters or um access trails that you as 1383 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,200 Speaker 1: a hunter or your group of hunters that you hunt with, 1384 01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:57,439 Speaker 1: decide to make the primary access. It's really important that 1385 01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:04,639 Speaker 1: you stick to that and um, every time you access 1386 01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:09,240 Speaker 1: you use that same pattern and think about hunting these 1387 01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:15,040 Speaker 1: different properties and a staged approach, right. And I think 1388 01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:21,160 Speaker 1: if you don't, if you get into a scenario where 1389 01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:30,479 Speaker 1: you can stick to those rules, um, a property, a 1390 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,280 Speaker 1: property could be hunted in that stage manner and you 1391 01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:37,720 Speaker 1: can have a lot of successful haunts or have a 1392 01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:42,439 Speaker 1: good success not over pressuring those deer or bumping those 1393 01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:49,160 Speaker 1: deer out of an area because someone or a group 1394 01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:53,240 Speaker 1: of people are walking all over the property with different 1395 01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:59,800 Speaker 1: access points. And I know, um that can be kind 1396 01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:04,479 Speaker 1: of loose cannon and and difficult on a on a 1397 01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:08,280 Speaker 1: piece of public right, you have no control over where 1398 01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,679 Speaker 1: everyone else is accessing. But I think at that point 1399 01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:20,360 Speaker 1: it becomes looking at more of what human sign you're 1400 01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,000 Speaker 1: seeing as you're entering in. You know, are you seeing 1401 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,200 Speaker 1: boot tracks, are you seeing other obvious things that indicate 1402 01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,719 Speaker 1: like cat's eyes on trees or flags on trees, where 1403 01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:35,160 Speaker 1: you see that people are accessing or traveling into an 1404 01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:40,120 Speaker 1: area over and over. I mean, let's admit it. You 1405 01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,479 Speaker 1: know there's there's a lot of people that you know, 1406 01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:44,599 Speaker 1: they get out in the woods, or if they're traveling 1407 01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:49,080 Speaker 1: a far distance back, they they may get nervous about 1408 01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,160 Speaker 1: how they're going to come back, so they're marking their 1409 01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:56,200 Speaker 1: trail in and out of there. I think taking advantage 1410 01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,320 Speaker 1: of those trails that are being used by the majority 1411 01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:03,439 Speaker 1: of the hunter that are going into a location. They'll 1412 01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,160 Speaker 1: be monitored and tolerated by the deer in the area, 1413 01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,160 Speaker 1: and you know that they'll stay away from there, so 1414 01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:13,080 Speaker 1: you can sort of hide your access by utilizing those. 1415 01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:17,599 Speaker 1: But then obviously when you're thinking about your version sit 1416 01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,840 Speaker 1: and you're set up, you branch off of that and 1417 01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:24,080 Speaker 1: get into your setup where you need to be, knowing 1418 01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,880 Speaker 1: that you know you didn't you didn't burn areas going 1419 01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,800 Speaker 1: in because you you stayed on that access. I guess 1420 01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:35,160 Speaker 1: it's the point. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Um, 1421 01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,800 Speaker 1: so let's in the interest time, let's move on to 1422 01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:40,720 Speaker 1: one more time period because I want to make sure 1423 01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:42,439 Speaker 1: we at least cover the rut before we have to 1424 01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:46,080 Speaker 1: wrap this up. Uh So, can you give me a 1425 01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:48,519 Speaker 1: similar rundown as we just did for these last two 1426 01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:53,400 Speaker 1: time periods, but for like that November somewhere and there 1427 01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,840 Speaker 1: were most people would think you're you're right in it 1428 01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,559 Speaker 1: for most parts of the country as far as the 1429 01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:05,960 Speaker 1: rut period, What what to your approach at that point? Um, 1430 01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:10,840 Speaker 1: I mean the most I think that the salad approaches 1431 01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:17,040 Speaker 1: really understanding how dear and mature books use a particular 1432 01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:20,479 Speaker 1: piece of property and the topography that's on that property. 1433 01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,360 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is is no matter 1434 01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:28,880 Speaker 1: if you're in swamps, hill country, farm, river bottoms, I 1435 01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:33,120 Speaker 1: think there's a particular way, an efficient way that mature 1436 01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:39,679 Speaker 1: animals travel through those properties to check out what's going 1437 01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:45,360 Speaker 1: on and specifically to monitor dough that are coming into 1438 01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:49,439 Speaker 1: asters or monitor other books that they're competing with for 1439 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:55,240 Speaker 1: those dough that are coming into asters. And I think 1440 01:32:55,280 --> 01:33:00,560 Speaker 1: it actually takes for it to become less random. I 1441 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:06,080 Speaker 1: believe it it takes multiple seasons to really understand how 1442 01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:12,080 Speaker 1: bucks are are navigating properties to do that. That's not 1443 01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:17,360 Speaker 1: to say that you can't find a property, locate what 1444 01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:21,519 Speaker 1: you believe to be a primary doll betting area area 1445 01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:25,760 Speaker 1: or do or betting, and then key in on a 1446 01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:31,040 Speaker 1: setup where it puts you at an advantage of monitoring 1447 01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,400 Speaker 1: that you know, this is pretty common downward side of 1448 01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:40,760 Speaker 1: that that betting area where bucks will be cruising. Um I, 1449 01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:46,479 Speaker 1: but understanding why the bucks are traveling there during what 1450 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,160 Speaker 1: times of the day A lot of times that depends 1451 01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,160 Speaker 1: on how the topography lays out. And what I mean 1452 01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:57,880 Speaker 1: by that in in those you know, really obvious pinch 1453 01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,000 Speaker 1: points or funnels. You know, if you get a tape 1454 01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:04,200 Speaker 1: ring of a small island or peninsula that connects to 1455 01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:09,240 Speaker 1: a high ground between two uh cattail marshes, you know 1456 01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:12,479 Speaker 1: that might be an obvious corridor where it pinches down 1457 01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:14,400 Speaker 1: and you know that there's going to be travel there. 1458 01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:17,000 Speaker 1: You set up on there and you wait right and 1459 01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,400 Speaker 1: if there's buck travel during the day, he may come 1460 01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,280 Speaker 1: through there. But I think it's understanding it to a 1461 01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:29,559 Speaker 1: further level as to say, well, I've actually observed that 1462 01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:35,400 Speaker 1: during the regular season, um earlier or during that pre rut, 1463 01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,160 Speaker 1: there's actually no bucks betting in these what I call 1464 01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:43,920 Speaker 1: satellite locations. Um. They they're just not in those areas. 1465 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,120 Speaker 1: But then when the rut comes on, the bucks will 1466 01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:53,280 Speaker 1: move into these satellite locations, whether it be edges of transitions, 1467 01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:59,080 Speaker 1: edges of fields, edges of changes from high ground to 1468 01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:05,640 Speaker 1: swa ump like in cattails, and they'll monitor those locations 1469 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:12,799 Speaker 1: for travel of those that are coming into heat. Right. Um, 1470 01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,400 Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of like getting into those spots 1471 01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:21,560 Speaker 1: where they're they're cut off points that they're monitoring points 1472 01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:25,479 Speaker 1: for those mature areas. Those are the areas that I 1473 01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:31,000 Speaker 1: want to get into and hunt. Now, how do you 1474 01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:34,840 Speaker 1: know those things are there? Right? I think that's a 1475 01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:40,080 Speaker 1: difficult one, Uh, to try to just pick out again, 1476 01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:44,599 Speaker 1: you know, the more the more obvious approaches to locate 1477 01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:49,559 Speaker 1: the dough and then start patterning where the doll are 1478 01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:54,000 Speaker 1: traveling and put yourself in a scenario where if you 1479 01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,280 Speaker 1: get where the dough are and the doll comes into asterisk, 1480 01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:59,320 Speaker 1: the bucks are gonna be monitoring that area as well. 1481 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:04,120 Speaker 1: But I think on top of that, if over the 1482 01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,639 Speaker 1: years of hunting in these rout scenarios, if you can 1483 01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:12,000 Speaker 1: begin to identify where and I've seen this primarily in 1484 01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:17,439 Speaker 1: hunting cattail marshes on these islands, where bucks change their 1485 01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:23,240 Speaker 1: bedding locations to monitor high ground where dough or traveling 1486 01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:28,080 Speaker 1: across and maybe laying down scent on a scrape or 1487 01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:34,360 Speaker 1: traveling across to an area which has a piece of 1488 01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:38,160 Speaker 1: topography for whatever reason. It might be a dip in 1489 01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:41,960 Speaker 1: the topography or a piece of high ground that bridges 1490 01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,760 Speaker 1: UH three or four lower areas where it seems like 1491 01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:52,200 Speaker 1: every deer in that area crosses that spot right. A 1492 01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,040 Speaker 1: lot of times you'll find what might be called the 1493 01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,880 Speaker 1: primary scrape there. But there's gonna be a lot of 1494 01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:01,479 Speaker 1: scent activity or a lot of a lot of sign 1495 01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:07,639 Speaker 1: where a mature animal can enter that area and get 1496 01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:12,160 Speaker 1: an assessment of what other box are in the area 1497 01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:17,680 Speaker 1: or what doll or an estis in that area. UM 1498 01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:21,240 Speaker 1: and I would call that like rut betting or you know, 1499 01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:27,000 Speaker 1: satellite betting. That's UM betting that they utilize that is 1500 01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:32,000 Speaker 1: more transient than they utilize it as monitoring during the 1501 01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,680 Speaker 1: rut H and that's what I try to focus on 1502 01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:42,000 Speaker 1: during that time. Does does your your approach when it 1503 01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:46,080 Speaker 1: comes to you know, stage hunting as you described earlier, 1504 01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:49,840 Speaker 1: does that change it all during the rut? Will you 1505 01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:54,680 Speaker 1: stick it out in a a spot longer versus you know, 1506 01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,759 Speaker 1: moving in, moving in moving in because you know eventually 1507 01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,880 Speaker 1: a buck will cycle through one of these places like 1508 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,880 Speaker 1: the cut off points that you've described them, or is 1509 01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:06,880 Speaker 1: it similar still UM? I think by that time it's 1510 01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:11,920 Speaker 1: I may have stage hunted. You know, it really depends 1511 01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,200 Speaker 1: on what areas I've hunted. I've tried to hop around 1512 01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:17,920 Speaker 1: and stage hunt. Maybe the key areas based on like 1513 01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:23,719 Speaker 1: less random betting spots, like areas that I know there's 1514 01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:27,280 Speaker 1: a history of Bucks betting in right during the rut, 1515 01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:32,360 Speaker 1: I believe that. I still believe Bucks will use those 1516 01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,440 Speaker 1: betting areas, but I think it becomes much more random 1517 01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,760 Speaker 1: because if a hot dough is in an area a 1518 01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:42,040 Speaker 1: half mile away, I mean I've observed this, then every 1519 01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,120 Speaker 1: book in the area is moving to that part of 1520 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:50,200 Speaker 1: that part of the property and you you may or 1521 01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:55,439 Speaker 1: may not have access to that area, right, So so 1522 01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:00,120 Speaker 1: I like to move around a lot and spend more 1523 01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:05,000 Speaker 1: time on stand during the rut. So I think all 1524 01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:09,080 Speaker 1: day haunts are obviously going to get you an advantage, 1525 01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:16,000 Speaker 1: but moving frequently, which takes some endurance and takes some 1526 01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:20,880 Speaker 1: I guess fortitude to maybe set up in the morning 1527 01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:26,760 Speaker 1: on a particular scenario where you believe m a Buck 1528 01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:31,360 Speaker 1: might enter that area, access that area to monitor betting, 1529 01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:35,519 Speaker 1: and if it doesn't pan out and isn't working, get 1530 01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:41,360 Speaker 1: down and then move and look where go to where 1531 01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:45,120 Speaker 1: the sign is leading you. And by sign, I think 1532 01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:50,200 Speaker 1: during the rut, you know, key in on where you're 1533 01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:56,840 Speaker 1: finding scrapes that are adjacent to what you believe to 1534 01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:01,040 Speaker 1: be primary betting areas, and in this a scrapes or 1535 01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:04,720 Speaker 1: rubs that are adjacent to those dough betting areas that 1536 01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:09,760 Speaker 1: are active or hot. That's where I think those scenarios, 1537 01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, being mobile and moving multiple times during the 1538 01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:19,040 Speaker 1: day can be to your advantage. UM, Because again, I uh, 1539 01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a certain there is a 1540 01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:27,240 Speaker 1: certain level of randomness. You know, I think hunting hunting 1541 01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:30,519 Speaker 1: hill country is fun during the rut because if you know, 1542 01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,040 Speaker 1: if you know there are a lot of mature animals 1543 01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:37,839 Speaker 1: in the area, UM, you can key in on those 1544 01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:43,360 Speaker 1: high travel corridors or low travel corridors, and you know, yeah, 1545 01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:47,240 Speaker 1: if you spend enough time on stand, you're likely you're 1546 01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:52,799 Speaker 1: likely to to encounter an animal. Right. But I still 1547 01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:57,799 Speaker 1: think what I've seen with mature bucks is that if 1548 01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:03,400 Speaker 1: you're hunting in a scenario, for example, and in a 1549 01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:08,200 Speaker 1: swamp topography right in the earlier part of the season, 1550 01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:11,439 Speaker 1: I may stage hunt in and get myself all the 1551 01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:16,800 Speaker 1: way up to the edge of that transition. Um that 1552 01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:23,320 Speaker 1: mature animal, he may never leave that swamp during the rut, 1553 01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:27,760 Speaker 1: like all his activity might be in those corridors that 1554 01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:34,839 Speaker 1: exist in you know, standing water, where there's small pods 1555 01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:39,000 Speaker 1: of high ground underneath tamaracks or trails that criss crossed through, 1556 01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:43,280 Speaker 1: uh cat tails. So then you got to think to yourself, 1557 01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:48,800 Speaker 1: how can I set up where I either have a 1558 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:52,200 Speaker 1: vantage point to shoot to those access trails that that 1559 01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,320 Speaker 1: buck is going to travel in out of betting, because 1560 01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:56,400 Speaker 1: he's not going to come up onto the high ground, 1561 01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:01,320 Speaker 1: or how do I push in further and actually get 1562 01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:05,640 Speaker 1: into that that lowland area. And that's really during the 1563 01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:09,559 Speaker 1: rut where I get a lot more aggressive, and I'll 1564 01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,479 Speaker 1: get in and actually push in and set up in 1565 01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:17,839 Speaker 1: closer proximity to those betting areas on those known travel 1566 01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,840 Speaker 1: corridors that are coming in and out of there in 1567 01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:24,519 Speaker 1: a in ah, you know, like a marsh or a 1568 01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:29,320 Speaker 1: swamp scenario, which I think are a little to me 1569 01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:32,400 Speaker 1: are a little bit more obvious and less random than 1570 01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:40,200 Speaker 1: a helld country scenario for example. Yeah, well, Mario, I um, 1571 01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,559 Speaker 1: I realized two things. Number one, I realized I need 1572 01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:45,559 Speaker 1: to get you back on the show. Again some day soon, 1573 01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:48,920 Speaker 1: because there's so much more that I want to eventually cover. 1574 01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:50,560 Speaker 1: But I know I can't keep you here till the 1575 01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:54,320 Speaker 1: wee hours of the nights, so uh so I want 1576 01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:57,000 Speaker 1: to wrap it up and give you a chance, though, 1577 01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:00,759 Speaker 1: to talk about something that's related to this whole idea 1578 01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:03,320 Speaker 1: of being mobile and getting aggressive, which is what you've 1579 01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:06,120 Speaker 1: got going on with Hunting Beast Gear and the and 1580 01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:09,000 Speaker 1: all the products you guys are put an other to 1581 01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:10,280 Speaker 1: the world. Do you want to do? You want to 1582 01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:11,719 Speaker 1: wrap it up and kind of give us an update 1583 01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:13,679 Speaker 1: on where things stand with the new gear and what's 1584 01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:18,200 Speaker 1: available and all that stuff. Yeah, sure, you're happy to 1585 01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:22,439 Speaker 1: Thanks for Thanks for Sharon. So Hunting Beast gear we've got. 1586 01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,519 Speaker 1: We just released our tree stand. So it's a sub 1587 01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:32,599 Speaker 1: seven pound tree stand. Um, it's super lightweight and very quiet. 1588 01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:39,280 Speaker 1: It's got del Ron washers across the entire setting system. 1589 01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:41,240 Speaker 1: And I know there's a lot of options out there 1590 01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,360 Speaker 1: for mobile hunting, and you know, the one thing with 1591 01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:46,880 Speaker 1: mobile hunters right now is they do have a large 1592 01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,280 Speaker 1: palette to choose from. I think the key things with 1593 01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:53,600 Speaker 1: the products that Dan and I developed, you know, we 1594 01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:57,120 Speaker 1: really came at this from the point of trying to 1595 01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:02,479 Speaker 1: solve a real human problem, which is walking back in 1596 01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:07,280 Speaker 1: these scenarios and sometimes walking great distances back. And so 1597 01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:11,920 Speaker 1: we wanted something that was lightweight, packable and quiet, and 1598 01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:15,120 Speaker 1: there were other products that were out on the market. Um. 1599 01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,839 Speaker 1: You know, back in two thousand seventeen when we started 1600 01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:20,400 Speaker 1: noodling with this stuff, we spent a couple of years 1601 01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:26,920 Speaker 1: building prototypes, trying different um scenarios out. And I think 1602 01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,240 Speaker 1: the key things if you look at our sticks and 1603 01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:33,280 Speaker 1: what we did with that and the design around that 1604 01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:38,240 Speaker 1: very popular right now is a fixed double step stick 1605 01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:42,080 Speaker 1: uh that has a twenty in length, so it's compact. 1606 01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,160 Speaker 1: The double step at an angle allows you to get 1607 01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:49,000 Speaker 1: up a tree securely, where you're not tiptoeing on either 1608 01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:52,240 Speaker 1: side of the step worrying about your footing going up 1609 01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:55,519 Speaker 1: or down. It also provides you the advantage and this 1610 01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:57,920 Speaker 1: is another thing when you're setting up and trying to 1611 01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:01,080 Speaker 1: be really precise and quiet, that you can, you know, 1612 01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:03,920 Speaker 1: balance the full width of your foot across the step 1613 01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:10,040 Speaker 1: as you're setting up and setting up your stand um 1614 01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:12,679 Speaker 1: the stand in and of itself being half the weight 1615 01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:16,320 Speaker 1: of you know, the predominant model of mobile stand that 1616 01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:22,360 Speaker 1: was out there it when you use it, You're really 1617 01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:24,439 Speaker 1: gonna see the advantage of it when you get it 1618 01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:28,800 Speaker 1: in your hand, because I think anyone who hunts like this, 1619 01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:32,559 Speaker 1: we've all been in that scenario when you're getting up 1620 01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:36,040 Speaker 1: and hunting in these fringes. Not every tree that you 1621 01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,840 Speaker 1: get in is perfectly straight up and down and on 1622 01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:41,320 Speaker 1: every tree that you get in is completely bare of 1623 01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,799 Speaker 1: any branches. It's actually quite the opposite when you're hunting 1624 01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:48,600 Speaker 1: in a lot of these edge scenarios of fringe scenarios, 1625 01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:50,439 Speaker 1: and you end up having, you know, a lot of 1626 01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:55,160 Speaker 1: branches or angled trees that are growing towards sunlight. Right 1627 01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:58,200 Speaker 1: whether it be the open swamp or if you're hunting 1628 01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,400 Speaker 1: in farmland, tree tend to grow on an angle and 1629 01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:04,040 Speaker 1: towards the field and so on and so forth. So 1630 01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:07,519 Speaker 1: by the stand being really lightweight, I mean I love 1631 01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:09,799 Speaker 1: it because I get to the top of my sticks 1632 01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:13,439 Speaker 1: and literally with two fingers, I'm holding the stand in 1633 01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:18,040 Speaker 1: one hand and looking down and focusing on where I 1634 01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,760 Speaker 1: believe that betting area is or where I believe those 1635 01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:22,920 Speaker 1: deer are going to be coming from, and I'm using 1636 01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:27,200 Speaker 1: that tree as a shield to shield my movement and 1637 01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:30,920 Speaker 1: shield what I'm doing. And with that stand being ultra light, 1638 01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,200 Speaker 1: I can slide it up, strap it on, lock it in, 1639 01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:38,920 Speaker 1: and then slowly wrap myself around the tree, minimizing the 1640 01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:43,160 Speaker 1: amount of movement and noise that I'm making. Um. So, 1641 01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think that the big take home with 1642 01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:49,360 Speaker 1: the things that that we're making. I mean, our passion 1643 01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:54,479 Speaker 1: really is to try to share these experiences and this 1644 01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:58,120 Speaker 1: hunting knowledge with the greater community. Right we want we 1645 01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:00,960 Speaker 1: need more people hunting, We need more are people passionate 1646 01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:05,520 Speaker 1: about this? And out of that spawned these these products, 1647 01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,599 Speaker 1: which were really you know, the idea that Dan and 1648 01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:11,720 Speaker 1: I had of Hey, I think we can make some 1649 01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:15,519 Speaker 1: really cool sticks for ourselves, and and we can make 1650 01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:18,800 Speaker 1: a really ultra light tree stand. And you know, after 1651 01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:22,439 Speaker 1: after we made them and started using them for a 1652 01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:25,280 Speaker 1: couple of years, we really wanted to share this with 1653 01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:28,559 Speaker 1: the community of hunters. And and that's what the company 1654 01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:32,720 Speaker 1: is really all about. So I encourage everyone to take 1655 01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,120 Speaker 1: a look at our stuff. Um, there's a lot of 1656 01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of options out there right now, and 1657 01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:41,800 Speaker 1: I will I will say, pay close attention to the 1658 01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:44,800 Speaker 1: details and look at look at where the trends in 1659 01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:49,599 Speaker 1: the marketplace have gone this year alone. I mean, uh, 1660 01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, we were the first to come out with 1661 01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:54,000 Speaker 1: an angle double step, and I think there's like six 1662 01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:58,960 Speaker 1: other competitors that came out with that this year. So uh, 1663 01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:01,760 Speaker 1: I think we did some than right when we initially 1664 01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:04,759 Speaker 1: came out with the design. But we've got a great warranty. 1665 01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:06,360 Speaker 1: You know, if you ever have any of the issues 1666 01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:09,000 Speaker 1: with the with the stand or the sticks or anything, 1667 01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, we'll take care of you. And I think 1668 01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:13,840 Speaker 1: it's a great option for someone that's getting into mobile 1669 01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:17,240 Speaker 1: hunting and is wanting to hunt in this way. It 1670 01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:23,400 Speaker 1: really provides you an advantage, um from from an equipment standpoint, 1671 01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:26,960 Speaker 1: and many of us to do this, I think we're 1672 01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:29,280 Speaker 1: very by the numbers. We have a system. You get 1673 01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:33,519 Speaker 1: to the tree, there's specific steps that you follow, rehearse practice. 1674 01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:37,439 Speaker 1: That's part of your process, and your equipment is an 1675 01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:41,719 Speaker 1: add on to that. Um it's it's the next step 1676 01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:45,200 Speaker 1: and things that add a little piece to your game 1677 01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:49,040 Speaker 1: to make sure that everything lays out just right. And 1678 01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:51,040 Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys that you talked to 1679 01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:55,360 Speaker 1: that kill big stuff, they're very particular about how they 1680 01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:58,720 Speaker 1: pack their equipment in how they tear it down and 1681 01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:01,920 Speaker 1: how they set up on these mobile hunts, trying to 1682 01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:06,360 Speaker 1: protect against noise, limited amount of movement and so on 1683 01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:10,360 Speaker 1: and so forth. So yeah, I love it. And what's 1684 01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:13,840 Speaker 1: the website where folks can find that. You can find 1685 01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:17,960 Speaker 1: it on www dot hunting b s gear dot com 1686 01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:21,040 Speaker 1: and that has all our products out there, and then 1687 01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:24,160 Speaker 1: there's links to all of our social media sites. As 1688 01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:27,759 Speaker 1: everyone knows, Dan runs the Hunting Beast forum. There's also 1689 01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,880 Speaker 1: the Hunting Beast YouTube page where you can get a 1690 01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:34,000 Speaker 1: bunch of educational stuff and videos on hunting. Dan has 1691 01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:37,400 Speaker 1: his DVD series that he fells, and there's a couple 1692 01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:40,559 Speaker 1: of different Facebook forums for the Hunting Beast as well 1693 01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,559 Speaker 1: as Hunting bes Gear that you can join and get 1694 01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:48,040 Speaker 1: a lot of useful information as well. Awesome, alright, mar Well, 1695 01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:51,640 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this. I really appreciate the time. Um 1696 01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:58,719 Speaker 1: just tremendous, tremendous resources you provide us here. That really interesting, 1697 01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:00,840 Speaker 1: getting this deep look inside how you approached this thing. 1698 01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:04,639 Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you so much, thank you thanks 1699 01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:07,040 Speaker 1: for having me. I appreciate it, all right, And that's 1700 01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,479 Speaker 1: it for us today. I hope you enjoyed this one 1701 01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:12,439 Speaker 1: a lot to take in there as as probably as 1702 01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:14,840 Speaker 1: every week we have these. I feel like I say 1703 01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:17,280 Speaker 1: that at the end of every single episode, so I 1704 01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:19,400 Speaker 1: think that's a good thing that we're covering so many 1705 01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:22,920 Speaker 1: different bases. But I hope you enjoyed it. I appreciate 1706 01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:25,120 Speaker 1: you spend time with me and Mario here today and 1707 01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:28,519 Speaker 1: until next time, stay wired time