WEBVTT - Neil Young 0:00:15.436 --> 0:00:22.396 Pushkin. Even if you've only listened to Broken Record a 0:00:22.396 --> 0:00:26.836 few times, you've likely heard Rick Rubin absolutely gush about 0:00:26.956 --> 0:00:30.196 Neil Young. Neil has been on the show three times now, 0:00:30.276 --> 0:00:32.876 and his legendary body of work has been brought up 0:00:32.876 --> 0:00:35.876 by more musicians interviewed on this show than likely anyone 0:00:35.876 --> 0:00:39.276 else except for maybe Joni Mitchell. That's because Neil is 0:00:39.276 --> 0:00:42.636 a true artist. He's been writing and singing songs since 0:00:42.676 --> 0:00:45.516 the early sixties, and his creative output has been near 0:00:45.636 --> 0:00:49.516 constant and in my opinion, virtually flawless for the last 0:00:49.516 --> 0:00:53.756 six decades. Neil recently stopped by Shangri La following the 0:00:53.796 --> 0:00:57.796 release of Crazyhorse's latest album, World Record. The album was 0:00:57.836 --> 0:01:00.516 produced by our own Rick Rubin, and on today's episode, 0:01:00.676 --> 0:01:03.116 Neil talks to Rick about the remarkable way the new 0:01:03.196 --> 0:01:07.036 songs were conceived. Neil also reminisces about recording after the 0:01:07.076 --> 0:01:11.436 gold Rush and Harvest and lanes, how THHC changes his 0:01:11.516 --> 0:01:18.276 relationship to music. This is Broken Record Liner notes for 0:01:18.356 --> 0:01:22.156 the digital age. I'm justin Mitchman. Here's Rick Rubin and 0:01:22.236 --> 0:01:25.316 Neil Young. Thank you so much for coming and talking 0:01:25.356 --> 0:01:27.716 to me today. It's my favorite thing. It's a favorite 0:01:27.796 --> 0:01:30.516 of mine too. Rick. We're like a couple of birds 0:01:30.556 --> 0:01:34.436 of a feather here and sitting here in your studio, 0:01:35.516 --> 0:01:39.516 this beautiful place that I was in almost fifty years 0:01:39.516 --> 0:01:44.436 ago with Robbie and Rick. And tell me about that. Well, 0:01:44.516 --> 0:01:48.276 you know, the board was smaller, it was a quad eight. 0:01:48.676 --> 0:01:51.236 It was up against the wall more that way. There 0:01:51.356 --> 0:01:54.196 was no area here. It was a little too crowded, 0:01:54.556 --> 0:01:57.116 but it wasn't bad. We had a good time. You know. 0:01:57.236 --> 0:01:59.956 I wasn't making music with him or anything. I was 0:02:00.076 --> 0:02:04.076 down here with I was with Bob. He was in here, 0:02:04.196 --> 0:02:06.476 Dylan was in here, and I played him a couple 0:02:06.476 --> 0:02:11.436 of songs. I played him Cortez, and he liked Cortez 0:02:12.276 --> 0:02:13.796 and he played in the recording and you played it 0:02:13.796 --> 0:02:16.396 for him. I just played it, just played it on 0:02:16.476 --> 0:02:19.076 the guitar. Yeah, in a little room down there. Yeah, 0:02:19.276 --> 0:02:20.796 And I was playing it for him, and I played 0:02:20.796 --> 0:02:23.196 it and then I played him, you know, I mean, 0:02:23.756 --> 0:02:25.796 the guy is so great. I just had to play 0:02:25.796 --> 0:02:29.956 these songs. So I played this other song. Uh, it's 0:02:29.956 --> 0:02:34.076 called Hitchhiker, and it's it's a song about every drug 0:02:34.196 --> 0:02:37.436 I ever took. And it tells a story of you know, 0:02:37.596 --> 0:02:40.756 being straight and get you know, just everything all the 0:02:40.796 --> 0:02:45.396 way through it chronologically, through this whole long story. And 0:02:45.436 --> 0:02:47.156 at the end of the song he said, he looks 0:02:47.156 --> 0:02:50.316 at me, he goes, that's a very honest song, Neil, 0:02:51.236 --> 0:02:54.476 And that was it was. It wasn't good, It wasn't bad. 0:02:54.676 --> 0:03:03.236 But yeah, have you seen his new book? Yep, it's cool. Yeah. 0:03:03.276 --> 0:03:05.396 I started listening to the audio version of it. It's 0:03:05.436 --> 0:03:08.436 really cool. I'd like to listen to the audio. Did 0:03:08.436 --> 0:03:12.116 he do it? He did parts. He did parts in 0:03:12.156 --> 0:03:14.196 a bunch of guests. But it's cool. It's cool the 0:03:14.236 --> 0:03:16.236 way it's put together with the different people and his 0:03:16.356 --> 0:03:20.556 voice cool. Yeah, it's amazing. I've been doing interviews, you know, 0:03:20.676 --> 0:03:23.636 for the record. Yeah. I don't usually do interviews like this, 0:03:23.676 --> 0:03:26.276 but I love this record. I love it so much 0:03:26.316 --> 0:03:29.236 and I want people to know that I'm alive. Yeah, 0:03:29.276 --> 0:03:31.916 you know, it's a very basic thing. Well, I haven't 0:03:31.956 --> 0:03:35.116 heard from Neil Young in a long time. Where is 0:03:35.276 --> 0:03:38.076 Neil Young? What happened? Well, I stopped playing a couple 0:03:38.116 --> 0:03:41.796 of years ago, and so I haven't been anywhere. There's 0:03:41.836 --> 0:03:44.956 been three farm aids in a row I've missed, and 0:03:45.716 --> 0:03:48.676 the same with the Bridge School and all that, But 0:03:50.196 --> 0:03:53.436 I don't really miss it that much. I liked playing music. 0:03:53.556 --> 0:03:56.636 I've made a lot of records. I've made many records 0:03:56.716 --> 0:03:59.156 during that period of time, three brand new ones, and 0:03:59.556 --> 0:04:03.636 you know, so I feel really good about that. What's 0:04:03.676 --> 0:04:07.236 the longest you've ever gone not playing with Crazy Horse? 0:04:08.676 --> 0:04:12.476 Probably a year and a half or something. So it's max. 0:04:12.556 --> 0:04:16.596 It's been a constant in your life for fifty years. Yeah, 0:04:16.796 --> 0:04:22.236 amazing since nineteen seventy sixty nine seventy. When you write 0:04:22.316 --> 0:04:26.196 new songs, do you always know in advance whether this 0:04:26.236 --> 0:04:29.396 is something you want to record with Crazy Horse or not? No, 0:04:29.516 --> 0:04:32.876 I really don't. I don't, but usually you know, I'm 0:04:32.916 --> 0:04:35.076 hanging out with them when I write it, and you know, 0:04:35.116 --> 0:04:40.476 it's just happens like a song that I would anything 0:04:40.516 --> 0:04:45.036 that's spacey, anything that's got any cosmic vibe to it 0:04:45.076 --> 0:04:48.196 at all, it's got to be Crazy Horse because that's 0:04:48.276 --> 0:04:52.636 the loosest that it can be, and simple and loose, 0:04:52.756 --> 0:04:56.516 and that's what I like. When you play with other musicians, 0:04:56.996 --> 0:05:00.156 does it change the way you play? Oh? Yeah, how 0:05:00.516 --> 0:05:03.316 does it? I don't know, but I'm different. I don't. 0:05:03.356 --> 0:05:05.436 It's not the same as playing with the Horse. Yeah, 0:05:06.236 --> 0:05:08.636 I mean I've become I think I just I play 0:05:08.676 --> 0:05:11.116 the song, then I deliver the song, and I try 0:05:11.116 --> 0:05:13.436 to immerse myself in it. I'm playing with promise of 0:05:13.476 --> 0:05:17.276 the reels. A lot of fun. And we even done 0:05:17.276 --> 0:05:19.516 some stuff here in this studio that was pretty cool. 0:05:20.276 --> 0:05:23.316 And uh, there's one that I laugh in. I don't 0:05:23.356 --> 0:05:26.036 know what I'm laughing in it, and we recorded it 0:05:26.116 --> 0:05:28.436 right here at Changer Law and it has to do 0:05:28.556 --> 0:05:32.516 with going to a fair or a circus or something, 0:05:32.556 --> 0:05:37.756 and it's wild. Do you always know what the songs 0:05:37.756 --> 0:05:41.196 are about when you're writing them? No, Usually I don't 0:05:41.236 --> 0:05:44.876 even care. I don't. I just start, you know. And 0:05:44.916 --> 0:05:48.276 with the new songs on this record, there's no there's 0:05:48.316 --> 0:05:51.596 no thinking. I mean, everything was just the flow was 0:05:51.636 --> 0:05:54.876 just all I wasn't trying to do anything. That's why 0:05:54.876 --> 0:05:57.356 it was so special. That's why I think it came 0:05:57.356 --> 0:06:00.036 out the way it did because there's no there's no 0:06:00.316 --> 0:06:04.436 preconception of it. I remember when you first talk to 0:06:04.476 --> 0:06:06.796 me about it before before we recorded it, do you 0:06:07.116 --> 0:06:10.836 explained that the melodies came in a way that none 0:06:10.916 --> 0:06:14.636 had ever come to you before they were delivered. They 0:06:14.676 --> 0:06:19.316 came through me whistling while I was walking. And I 0:06:19.356 --> 0:06:22.556 realized as I was walking along and I was whistling 0:06:22.596 --> 0:06:24.756 a different song every day, because I'd go in these 0:06:24.796 --> 0:06:29.276 long walks every day through the forest and stuff in 0:06:29.356 --> 0:06:34.356 the snow and just whistling along. And then I remember it, Wow, 0:06:34.396 --> 0:06:37.236 I really had a nice melody. I was whistling yesterday 0:06:37.676 --> 0:06:40.516 and I could hardly bring it back. And because I 0:06:40.596 --> 0:06:42.636 was whist seeing a new melody, and that's what made 0:06:42.636 --> 0:06:46.236 me think, Wow, it was a different melody from yesterday's melody. 0:06:46.716 --> 0:06:49.156 What was that melody? And I liked it. As I 0:06:49.196 --> 0:06:52.756 approached the part of my walk that was the same 0:06:52.796 --> 0:06:57.076 place I remember seeing whistling it, I remembered it. So 0:06:57.116 --> 0:07:00.196 I remembered it, and then I started whistling it again, 0:07:00.756 --> 0:07:02.916 and I got out my flip phone and recorded it 0:07:02.956 --> 0:07:06.916 on my flip phone, but I used a movie, you know. 0:07:06.996 --> 0:07:09.876 So I got this partly my thumb and partly the 0:07:09.956 --> 0:07:13.596 sky and some trees going by and dogs running and 0:07:14.076 --> 0:07:17.956 footsteps and stuff. But I'm whistling along with it. That's 0:07:17.956 --> 0:07:20.636 how I got all those melodies. And every day after that, 0:07:20.756 --> 0:07:24.716 I kept walking, and most days I'd have a new melody, 0:07:24.756 --> 0:07:27.036 and I just pulled out the phone and I even 0:07:27.116 --> 0:07:30.436 had harmony parts or bass parts and things like that 0:07:30.436 --> 0:07:33.316 that I put on the phone too, that I imagined them, 0:07:33.796 --> 0:07:36.956 you know, like on that one the world is in 0:07:36.996 --> 0:07:41.116 trouble Now there's a bass part, and we went through 0:07:41.116 --> 0:07:43.276 it in the studio. I remember it was like, Wow, 0:07:43.356 --> 0:07:45.876 this is a part. We have an idea. It was 0:07:45.916 --> 0:07:48.076 like because none of the other ones even had that. No, 0:07:48.636 --> 0:07:51.636 at what point did you realize this could be a 0:07:51.636 --> 0:07:54.916 collection of songs to record? Well, you know, I was. 0:07:55.356 --> 0:08:00.636 It was last April, and I was thinking I had 0:08:00.716 --> 0:08:04.036 that song Break the Chain, which I wrote before I 0:08:04.076 --> 0:08:07.596 did my previous album barn I wrote that just as 0:08:07.676 --> 0:08:12.116 COVID started. It was about COVID. So I was walking 0:08:12.116 --> 0:08:15.916 in the same general area, but this time I'm walking 0:08:15.916 --> 0:08:18.436 and I'm writing the words on a piece of paper 0:08:18.756 --> 0:08:22.316 and the melody's really kind of a blues melody, so 0:08:22.436 --> 0:08:24.236 you can't you know, you don't need to write it 0:08:24.316 --> 0:08:25.876 or whistle it or anything, and you kind of know 0:08:25.956 --> 0:08:29.396 it from the from I just remembered it. So I 0:08:29.436 --> 0:08:33.156 did that, and then later that winter, I was in 0:08:33.276 --> 0:08:36.236 Canada and I have a piano there that was in 0:08:36.316 --> 0:08:39.836 the house I was in and I wrote Chevrolet on 0:08:39.876 --> 0:08:43.196 the piano, which is interesting because it's this huge, long 0:08:43.316 --> 0:08:47.036 guitar song. I did it totally on the piano over 0:08:47.076 --> 0:08:49.396 the period of about a month, where I passed by 0:08:49.436 --> 0:08:51.316 on the piano and stopped and play a minute and 0:08:51.356 --> 0:08:54.116 then keep on going. And well, I was there the 0:08:54.196 --> 0:08:56.396 last time. I noticed all the lyrics are still sitting 0:08:56.396 --> 0:09:00.276 there on the piano, and it reminds me I should 0:09:00.276 --> 0:09:07.356 get those. But so anyway, yeah they did. And then 0:09:07.396 --> 0:09:10.556 the other eight I'm thinking. I was thinking, hey, I'd 0:09:10.556 --> 0:09:13.116 like to make a record. It'd be fun horses available, 0:09:13.836 --> 0:09:16.516 and I said, I don't have any songs. And when 0:09:16.556 --> 0:09:20.916 I talked any songs, then I started thinking, uh, wait 0:09:20.956 --> 0:09:25.236 a minute. I got all those melodies whistling, and then 0:09:25.276 --> 0:09:29.276 I got the flip phone out and recorded all of 0:09:29.276 --> 0:09:32.276 the recordings from the flip phone. I put the phone 0:09:32.316 --> 0:09:36.036 down on top of the computer and made another movie 0:09:36.996 --> 0:09:43.236 of just the you know the yeah, yeah, the phone 0:09:43.316 --> 0:09:46.116 is seeing to a microphone yea, and yeah, there's no 0:09:46.716 --> 0:09:50.716 phone speaker to the microphone of the computer. So I 0:09:50.756 --> 0:09:53.396 put it down and I remember and I copied all 0:09:53.436 --> 0:09:56.396 of the whistling and they were like fifty eight tracks 0:09:57.676 --> 0:10:00.236 but I had multiple tracks for each song, and each 0:10:00.316 --> 0:10:03.196 day was different, and so I had to organize it. 0:10:03.316 --> 0:10:05.916 And then I found out at the end I had nine, 0:10:06.076 --> 0:10:10.196 maybe ten or eleven different melodies, and eight of them 0:10:10.236 --> 0:10:13.516 seem to be pretty darn close to, you know, a 0:10:13.556 --> 0:10:18.556 whole thing melody wise, but to just whistling, no idea, 0:10:18.636 --> 0:10:22.796 what the chord changes are, no idea, no instrument. So 0:10:22.836 --> 0:10:25.356 that's really different for me to have the whole melody 0:10:25.676 --> 0:10:29.836 and be sitting there writing words to a melody and 0:10:30.556 --> 0:10:34.356 not knowing the chords, any chords, or the instrument or anything. 0:10:34.836 --> 0:10:37.716 So I did that in two days. I wrote all 0:10:37.716 --> 0:10:42.756 of the words. It sounds funny, it is. It's funny. 0:10:42.916 --> 0:10:46.316 It happened so fast, and I never rewrote anything, I 0:10:46.396 --> 0:10:50.076 never fixed anything. Everything came out right the first time, 0:10:50.476 --> 0:10:54.236 and that's very rare, as it never never like that. 0:10:54.556 --> 0:10:57.956 But it was like that this time. So you got 0:10:57.996 --> 0:11:00.276 these two unheard of things that I'm you know, for 0:11:00.356 --> 0:11:03.196 me that I'm doing, And then I had to figure 0:11:03.196 --> 0:11:05.436 out what instrument to do it on and what the 0:11:05.516 --> 0:11:09.396 chords were. And as I was doing that, it was 0:11:09.436 --> 0:11:13.756 easy for me to make a video of a verse 0:11:13.796 --> 0:11:18.156 and chorus for Billy, so he'd have the changes for 0:11:18.236 --> 0:11:22.596 the base, so I'd do a FaceTime video thing to him, 0:11:23.396 --> 0:11:24.956 which I did. I don't know how I did it. 0:11:24.996 --> 0:11:26.716 I think I did a quick time file and then 0:11:26.716 --> 0:11:29.436 I sent it to him or something, but I I 0:11:29.556 --> 0:11:31.676 just did that. At six o'clock in the morning, I 0:11:31.756 --> 0:11:33.876 get up and I go to the organ and put 0:11:33.876 --> 0:11:37.396 the computer down, press record and play what it was 0:11:37.436 --> 0:11:39.236 that I thought it was with the one verse and 0:11:39.316 --> 0:11:44.076 one chorus. So we use those things too in the movie. Cool. 0:11:44.156 --> 0:11:46.076 So we got the whistling in the movie, and then 0:11:46.436 --> 0:11:49.796 that and then the studio and then we're in then 0:11:49.836 --> 0:11:51.676 we do it with the band, so we have the 0:11:51.716 --> 0:11:55.436 evolution of these melodies. It's so cool that it can't 0:11:55.436 --> 0:11:58.836 you know that it just came. It was wacky. You can't. 0:11:58.876 --> 0:12:02.796 You can't. You can tell that it's mindless when you 0:12:02.956 --> 0:12:06.836 see the footage, it's crazy. And when you listen to 0:12:06.916 --> 0:12:10.076 the Our experience of listening to the album has been 0:12:10.236 --> 0:12:13.156 every every time I hear it, I hear different things 0:12:13.156 --> 0:12:15.796 than I heard before. Yeah, or if I hear something 0:12:15.836 --> 0:12:18.516 that sounds wrong, and then go back and listen to 0:12:18.556 --> 0:12:21.956 it again, that's gone. That happened with us several times 0:12:22.516 --> 0:12:25.516 we'd have a thing. We'd be together and we'd hear 0:12:25.596 --> 0:12:30.116 something and we said something gla and then it happened. Yeah, 0:12:30.156 --> 0:12:32.796 well we'll fix that, well, make a you know, make 0:12:32.836 --> 0:12:34.876 a note. We'll come back and the next day we 0:12:34.996 --> 0:12:39.356 come back and we couldn't find it. No, So it's remarkable. 0:12:39.996 --> 0:12:43.076 The whole process was strange. Yes, the whole process was strange, 0:12:43.156 --> 0:12:45.516 really different. It was like a gift. It was like 0:12:45.556 --> 0:12:48.476 a gift for us. We didn't have to do any work. Yeah, 0:12:48.476 --> 0:12:51.236 we just you know, we thought. We both made records 0:12:51.836 --> 0:12:55.196 for years, and we both like making records and we 0:12:55.316 --> 0:12:59.716 love music, and we know about the ways of making records. 0:12:59.796 --> 0:13:01.916 Things that we do, you know, like with me, it's 0:13:01.956 --> 0:13:05.596 like occasional double tracking one line or a couple of 0:13:05.636 --> 0:13:08.396 words or something like that to punch them out a little. 0:13:08.716 --> 0:13:10.996 So I just kind of sing along and sing a 0:13:10.996 --> 0:13:12.876 little more when I want it and a little less 0:13:12.876 --> 0:13:16.076 when I don't. And so you understood that right away. 0:13:16.116 --> 0:13:18.156 And bang, when I said let's do a double track, 0:13:18.676 --> 0:13:20.716 it wasn't like I'd go in and I'd do it, 0:13:20.756 --> 0:13:22.596 and it was like I was only singing part of 0:13:22.636 --> 0:13:24.236 the time and kind of half singing the rest of 0:13:24.276 --> 0:13:26.756 the time. But it was cool. It wasn't like, hey, 0:13:26.756 --> 0:13:28.436 well you know, I try to sing the whole thing. 0:13:30.116 --> 0:13:33.116 That never happened. Yeah, So on the only purpose I 0:13:33.156 --> 0:13:36.196 think you ever double tracked anything was if you couldn't 0:13:36.356 --> 0:13:39.436 understand here or understand the words the first time. It 0:13:39.476 --> 0:13:41.716 was so loud in the room when you're playing and 0:13:41.756 --> 0:13:45.036 you're singing live with the band, Yeah, it's hard to 0:13:45.236 --> 0:13:48.796 get the yeah everything, every little nuance. Yeah. So we 0:13:48.956 --> 0:13:52.236 picked out a couple of things and backed them up 0:13:52.276 --> 0:13:56.196 and mixed it in and it came out really great. 0:13:56.276 --> 0:13:59.076 I'm just really happy with the record. It's one of 0:13:59.116 --> 0:14:02.676 my if it's one of my favorite processes, and the 0:14:03.076 --> 0:14:05.596 music is some of my favorite music I've ever made. 0:14:05.596 --> 0:14:08.716 I mean, how I listened to it. It's good, it's 0:14:08.796 --> 0:14:12.156 really and it's really the way that it happened was 0:14:12.196 --> 0:14:16.076 so magical. Even after the way that it happened to you, 0:14:16.676 --> 0:14:19.636 once it got to the studio, it was weird. Yeah, 0:14:19.836 --> 0:14:23.076 It's like I remember the first week the band was 0:14:23.196 --> 0:14:25.876 learning the songs, and the feeling I got by the 0:14:25.956 --> 0:14:28.116 end of the first week was they might not ever 0:14:28.196 --> 0:14:30.476 be able to play the songs. That was the feeling 0:14:30.596 --> 0:14:34.716 was like, this is like not really happening. Yes, And 0:14:34.756 --> 0:14:37.476 then I thought, okay, well they played through everything, even 0:14:37.476 --> 0:14:40.436 though they couldn't play them, they played through them. So 0:14:40.476 --> 0:14:42.396 probably next week is going to be better because now 0:14:42.396 --> 0:14:44.716 it won't be the first time. And then and I 0:14:44.756 --> 0:14:47.316 remember when you called out the song to start the 0:14:47.356 --> 0:14:49.396 second week with, and Ralph said, well, we already played 0:14:49.396 --> 0:14:53.716 that one. Why would we play that? And then we 0:14:53.756 --> 0:14:55.796 went back and we listened to it and it was 0:14:55.836 --> 0:15:00.436 pretty good. Yeah, Ralph was right. Ralph was right. Turns 0:15:00.476 --> 0:15:04.956 out yeah, it's crazy. We didn't think we got anything. No, 0:15:05.676 --> 0:15:07.716 it turns out we got I think maybe the whole 0:15:07.756 --> 0:15:10.116 album was recorded when we didn't think any of it. 0:15:10.196 --> 0:15:14.956 We didn't think anyone was happening. Yeah, and it certainly 0:15:14.956 --> 0:15:17.356 nothing like that's ever happened to me before. For sure, 0:15:17.436 --> 0:15:19.636 nothing like that. No. I mean I'm used to the 0:15:19.636 --> 0:15:22.196 horse getting things on the first or second take. Yeah, 0:15:22.316 --> 0:15:27.156 but this was like I had no idea. You didn't 0:15:27.156 --> 0:15:28.956 know the songs. No, I didn't know the songs. I 0:15:28.996 --> 0:15:30.596 was learning how to play it on the pump organ 0:15:30.676 --> 0:15:33.476 or on the piano. And uh, because I did want 0:15:33.476 --> 0:15:36.316 to play guitar. Remember, we'd say to Nils. You know, 0:15:36.436 --> 0:15:40.396 Nils sounds like a guitar lick, you know, and we 0:15:40.436 --> 0:15:43.356 don't really don't want to hear. Yeah, you know, we 0:15:43.476 --> 0:15:45.596 know it's great and you played it, but it made 0:15:45.636 --> 0:15:47.996 it sound ordinary when't Yeah, but when we when we 0:15:48.036 --> 0:15:50.156 heard it was like, we really don't want to hear 0:15:50.196 --> 0:15:52.716 a guitar. And then on one or one or two songs, 0:15:52.956 --> 0:15:55.516 I mean you can hear it in the room. Yeah, 0:15:55.596 --> 0:16:00.036 but you only thing we featured was between the riffs 0:16:00.396 --> 0:16:03.476 where it'd be a clunk and scratch on the thing 0:16:03.556 --> 0:16:07.076 and you know, the pick guards all these weird sounds 0:16:07.076 --> 0:16:09.516 that he was making as he was playing between when 0:16:09.516 --> 0:16:12.036 he played his thing. Yeah, and we take his thing 0:16:12.076 --> 0:16:15.076 off and just leave the other things up real loud. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 0:16:15.076 --> 0:16:17.556 We we took out the playing and left the noises 0:16:17.596 --> 0:16:19.956 in between. Yeah. So it would go from the noises 0:16:20.036 --> 0:16:23.796 to the leakage of something too. It was like we 0:16:23.836 --> 0:16:28.516 broke every rule that wasn't crazy, and we were enjoying 0:16:28.516 --> 0:16:30.916 it very much and seem normal. I mean no, but 0:16:30.916 --> 0:16:33.796 it sounded good. It's like you can't argue with the sounds, 0:16:33.916 --> 0:16:36.836 Like if it sounds good, it's right. You know. It 0:16:36.916 --> 0:16:40.356 was wild and then we got what was that one? Uh, 0:16:40.436 --> 0:16:42.836 I think it was The Wonder Won't Wait? Or either 0:16:42.916 --> 0:16:45.636 that or the World is in Trouble now one of 0:16:45.636 --> 0:16:50.396 those two where I was. We started doing the harmonica 0:16:50.876 --> 0:16:55.036 through the octave divider with the organ on certain notes 0:16:55.556 --> 0:16:58.476 to create this instrument that was like, and I get 0:16:58.596 --> 0:17:01.956 kind of picture, who are these guys playing these instruments 0:17:01.956 --> 0:17:03.916 because I don't even know what that kind of instrument 0:17:03.996 --> 0:17:08.236 that it is. It sounded like an old organ but 0:17:08.396 --> 0:17:12.036 with an elect drake funky part of it, like two 0:17:12.116 --> 0:17:16.116 or three notes were just jamming, and it was weird. 0:17:16.636 --> 0:17:20.476 It wasn't working exactly properly either, I don't I don't think, 0:17:20.516 --> 0:17:25.756 no nothing, that fictional instrument was not at its best. No, No, 0:17:25.876 --> 0:17:29.956 it wasn't. But it didn't matter. No, So you know, 0:17:29.996 --> 0:17:31.956 we had a blast. We had a really good time, 0:17:32.076 --> 0:17:35.996 the time of a lifetime. Actually, I thought, I there's 0:17:36.076 --> 0:17:38.836 nothing I can look at that compares to it. Everything 0:17:38.876 --> 0:17:41.436 else is they're all great, And there's a lot of 0:17:41.436 --> 0:17:44.356 really cool things that we did. Yeah, and you know 0:17:44.436 --> 0:17:47.356 that I did with with Crazy Horse in the past 0:17:47.436 --> 0:17:50.436 and everything, and the stuff we did in the studio 0:17:50.476 --> 0:17:52.596 in the nineties was cool too. I mean, I've still 0:17:52.636 --> 0:17:54.996 got that and actually getting ready to put it out 0:17:55.036 --> 0:17:58.276 in the archives because it's some of it's really cool. Yeah, 0:17:58.436 --> 0:18:01.316 there's a couple of really cool songs there, but they're 0:18:01.356 --> 0:18:05.876 not like this, this was what is this? Yeah, it's 0:18:05.916 --> 0:18:10.596 definitely new music. Yeah, it's new very old music, very 0:18:10.716 --> 0:18:13.876 old new music. Because something is like if the song 0:18:14.076 --> 0:18:20.356 sounded like a folk songs from the forties, or they 0:18:20.396 --> 0:18:23.916 sound like songs from before you ever wrote songs. Somebody 0:18:23.956 --> 0:18:27.596 else wrote these first, and here I am and and 0:18:27.796 --> 0:18:30.396 I don't know, he kind of got us mosis or something. 0:18:31.076 --> 0:18:34.236 It's strange, it really is, man, So we gotta we 0:18:34.356 --> 0:18:36.796 just gotta be thankful because we got a gift and 0:18:36.836 --> 0:18:39.596 we will find out if other people think so. Yeah, 0:18:39.636 --> 0:18:44.156 either way, I think it works out fine. We got 0:18:44.156 --> 0:18:46.436 to experience it and we did. I'm glad people get 0:18:46.476 --> 0:18:48.716 to hear it. Yeah, I am too, And whatever they 0:18:48.756 --> 0:18:50.956 think is fine. I think they're gonna like it. I've 0:18:50.956 --> 0:18:56.076 got a couple of reactions from people who are like whoa, whoa, 0:18:56.276 --> 0:18:59.156 and I'm going, well, you know, it's it's me and 0:18:59.196 --> 0:19:01.756 crazy Horse and we're just doing what we do. And 0:19:01.996 --> 0:19:03.756 if you listen to it, that way you can say 0:19:03.836 --> 0:19:05.876 that's what it is. But the fact that I only 0:19:05.876 --> 0:19:08.796 play guitar on what three songs I think, Oh, I 0:19:08.836 --> 0:19:13.036 did overdubbed a note or two on another song that's chords, 0:19:13.316 --> 0:19:15.996 power chords I put on one of the I don't 0:19:16.036 --> 0:19:20.516 think it ever really sounds like guitar. No, No, we 0:19:20.596 --> 0:19:24.396 had a great time. We ought to be thankful. Let's 0:19:24.396 --> 0:19:27.236 be thankful. So cool. Have any new songs come to 0:19:27.276 --> 0:19:31.556 you since now? Do they typically come in bunches like 0:19:31.596 --> 0:19:34.356 that over the course of your life. Well, there's nothing 0:19:34.356 --> 0:19:39.076 typical about this bunch. But usually what happens is as 0:19:39.076 --> 0:19:41.996 soon as I finish an album, I'm starting to think 0:19:42.036 --> 0:19:44.796 about other things, and other music starts coming in my head. 0:19:45.636 --> 0:19:48.156 Finishing this album, not being able to play it and 0:19:48.236 --> 0:19:50.516 have it come out for six months after we finished 0:19:50.556 --> 0:19:53.356 it because of the way things are with vinyl and 0:19:53.836 --> 0:19:58.076 everything else. That was very weird. But I haven't got 0:19:58.076 --> 0:20:02.276 any new songs. I have not thought of any new songs. 0:20:02.476 --> 0:20:04.436 All I think of is the songs that we did 0:20:04.796 --> 0:20:08.276 and for months I was still listening to it, and 0:20:08.316 --> 0:20:10.156 I'm going one of my do it, let's do this, 0:20:10.236 --> 0:20:12.916 I did this. Could you imagine how you would play 0:20:12.956 --> 0:20:15.836 these songs live because it kind of is its own thing. 0:20:15.876 --> 0:20:17.596 I don't even know how you do it live. I 0:20:17.636 --> 0:20:21.436 don't know either, but we did it live. Yes, No, 0:20:21.636 --> 0:20:25.636 I know that, so we yes. I just can't imagine 0:20:25.676 --> 0:20:29.916 that they would sound you know, pump organ, electric guitar, 0:20:29.996 --> 0:20:35.156 bass and drums, pump organ accordion. But I think though 0:20:35.556 --> 0:20:38.716 that probably would sound good if we if we got 0:20:38.716 --> 0:20:42.236 to do them. We'll see what happens, yeah, I hope. 0:20:42.236 --> 0:20:45.836 So I'd be curious to see what that is. Yeah, 0:20:45.876 --> 0:20:48.636 I would be too, I would be. But things move 0:20:48.676 --> 0:20:51.516 along and they move on, you know, and Nils is 0:20:51.636 --> 0:20:54.076 you know, Nils is part of the Eastet band, so 0:20:54.236 --> 0:20:58.516 Bruce is probably going on a megatour. So Nils is gone, 0:20:59.276 --> 0:21:04.196 and Nils is like what I'm I can't be in 0:21:04.196 --> 0:21:07.356 two places at once. Yeah, because he was, you know, 0:21:07.436 --> 0:21:10.116 really into this. I mean, we were all really into it. 0:21:10.596 --> 0:21:14.036 So actually I feel I feel for Nils a little 0:21:14.036 --> 0:21:17.156 bit because I know he wants to be here with us. 0:21:17.516 --> 0:21:20.196 You know, he's with Bruce, and that's Bruce has been 0:21:20.236 --> 0:21:22.876 there for him for years and years, and that's an 0:21:22.876 --> 0:21:25.996 old old thing. Now. It was amazing to me that 0:21:26.156 --> 0:21:28.836 you played with Nils before Bruce did. I didn't. I 0:21:28.876 --> 0:21:31.596 wasn't aware of that until this. Oh yeah, this project 0:21:32.076 --> 0:21:35.556 Nils is on after the gold Rush Wild. Yeah, he 0:21:35.596 --> 0:21:39.236 plays piano on After the gold Rush. And you wanted 0:21:39.316 --> 0:21:41.316 him to play piano because he couldn't play piano, Is 0:21:41.316 --> 0:21:46.396 that correct? Yeah? Well he played accordion, right, so I 0:21:46.436 --> 0:21:49.516 knew he could play piano, right, And I knew, you know, 0:21:49.556 --> 0:21:52.956 he's a music he's everything, you know, So I just 0:21:52.996 --> 0:21:54.876 didn't want him to sound like he really knew what 0:21:54.876 --> 0:21:58.956 he was doing so sure of himself, you know, because 0:21:58.956 --> 0:22:05.836 that wouldn't go with everybody else. We had a good time. 0:22:06.116 --> 0:22:08.276 It's amazing that you found guys who you can play 0:22:08.316 --> 0:22:12.276 with for fifty years and still sound like maybe it's 0:22:12.276 --> 0:22:16.276 not going to happen. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. Well, Nils 0:22:16.356 --> 0:22:20.076 is a great, great musician, and we'll miss him when 0:22:20.076 --> 0:22:22.676 he's out there with Bruce, but he'll be back for sure, 0:22:22.996 --> 0:22:26.316 and uh, you know, we'll just wait around, let's see 0:22:26.316 --> 0:22:30.276 what happens, and uh, if I do anything anything else 0:22:30.316 --> 0:22:34.756 in the meantime, yeah, I've asked Micah, Mica and Nelson 0:22:34.836 --> 0:22:37.796 and he'll step in and be with the horse. So 0:22:37.996 --> 0:22:40.596 you know we were ready to rock. If we decide 0:22:40.636 --> 0:22:43.956 to go out, we're gonna take a quick break and 0:22:43.996 --> 0:22:46.636