WEBVTT - Piketon 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:15.080 Crime. Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Real Time Crime. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.479 I'm your host, Leo Lamar. My little social salutes we've 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.479 got with us today. Our friend. The fact that I 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.000 said friend and he's already laughing, I take it back. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.200 I'm laughing because you called him your little social sluths. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.159 Social it was. It was a very cruel and deville. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:38.320 Thank you. That's that is my dream role to play, Corrella. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.040 I think I've already got in the bag. But anyway, 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:45.560 you know, guys, it's just a hundred one single men. Oh, 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.400 we just live action this thing. This is actually the 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:52.839 most accurate thing that I've ever heard. So um a 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:56.080 little update. Still in Europe. I'm a can. I'm in 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.800 Can right now. I am I ever coming home Can. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:00.320 By the way, just see you guys know that is 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.400 a that is a city that she doesn't mean she's 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.039 in the can, like coming to you from the bathroom. 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.839 Would that be funny? Hey guys, so I'm actually in jail. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.600 If you could come and if everyone could just put 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.720 together like a little go fund me to get me 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.520 out the bail? Is that pretty high? What did I do? 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.640 It's a long story, but mostly just a drunk tank okay, no, 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.320 I'm so I'm in can France's great. I'm here for 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:26.720 the film festival anyway, Um, Dmitri you you just Dmitri 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.800 heavy side without heavy sighing. It's it's a it's a 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.640 dark time here right now. And you know what, I'm 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:35.520 glad that you're not here to you know, not that 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.720 you're not feeling it over there. But after everything what happened, 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.240 and we'll started in Buffalo, you know, last week, but 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:45.360 in Texas at the elementary school, it's it's a it's 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.720 a difficult time to um, to be here and to 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.520 be jovial and too and to try and to try 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.440 and go on, especially as a parent, it's a difficult 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.960 time to deal with this stuff. And and it's also 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.920 and immediately what we do best here in this kind 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.440 as we politicize everything where people do and all of 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.680 a sudden it's this and it's that, and people come 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:06.920 on and they have their statements and and it's it's 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.480 maddening because you want people for a moment, you know, 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.639 not not glory. I'm so definitely not glorifying these times. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.360 But after eleven there was a little bit of a 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.120 bond here when the pandemic. It's a little bit of 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.200 a bond here, The bond of people coming together seems 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.840 to it's it's growing shorter and shorter, so there's not 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.000 even that recovery period where we all feel like we're 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:31.239 morning together, and that makes it more difficult. I am 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:37.519 so deeply disturbed by everything. All the notifications I've gotten 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:42.639 have been about gun violence, and it's so deeply upsetting, 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.080 and I just think that our country is changing in 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.040 a way that feels I mean, I've said this before, 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.080 I'll say it again. You know, l A is pretty 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.080 much as liberal as you can get besides New York 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.760 in America. And there used to be signs on the 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.000 highway that would say gun control now or band guns, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.560 and now it's like story or gun safely, and that's troubling. 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.639 That just really shows you the sign of the times. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:12.280 So anyway, obviously what we will be speaking about right now, 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.800 we'll just do one hot topic today, which is the 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:19.040 Texas school shooting, and then we're gonna chat with Courtney 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:23.640 Armstrong and Stephanie Lydecker, who are incredible hosts of the 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:30.960 Pike Town massacre, and Dmitri not to um you know 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:32.960 as much as I love talking about my love life. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.920 I think we can just hop right to this today 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.760 unless you unless you feel it's necessary to get an update. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.560 Um yeah, I'm always up for an update, but it 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.200 maybe it seems a little uh appropriate today. Yeah, we'll 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.320 save it for the next time. Just stay with this 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.200 guy until next time, so we can still talk about 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.360 it before we get it. Obviously, we're gonna do the 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.080 one hot topic about Texas, the elementary school, and it 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.880 is clearly, as I'm sure you know, a very sent 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.280 st of topics. So we're letting you know that we 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.760 will be talking about it, and just to prepare you 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.400 that you know, it's it's never a comfortable thing to 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.560 talk about, but that's that's where we're headed right now. 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:14.480 Thank you, Dmitri. So everyone has heard about this story, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.360 and if you haven't yet, just turn on your TV. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:25.440 This is happening right now. But okay, UM, this is 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.640 a really tragic story, you guys. This is the Texas 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:32.440 school shooting that's all happening in real time. Multiple people 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.680 are dead, including several children, after an active shooter incident 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:40.360 at rob Elementary School in Uvaldi, Texas. Law enforcement sources 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.919 has confirmed all of this and obviously we've seen it 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:48.200 all over the news, and I think there are nineteen 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:52.400 children dead now unless there was a new update, I 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.880 don't know if anyone has that information to me treat 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.120 as far as I knew, Yeah, that's the last I 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.919 had heard. This is a second deadliest school shooting in 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:06.719 American history, and two patients were transferred to Seeing Antonio 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:11.680 for treatment, while third was pending transfer the hospital set 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.000 a forty five year old who was also hospitalized after 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:18.880 getting grazed by a bullet um. We don't know the 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:25.120 status on their life at the moment. And I just 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:32.760 apparently this young man also shot his grandmother before going 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:41.240 to the elementary school and shot these children and teachers. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.479 My heart is broken. I mean, it's like, how many 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.960 times does need to happen for anything to change? It's 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.160 already times. I'm I'm baffled. I just don't get it. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.159 I mean, it's like, even if even if they armed teachers, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.599 right the whole life good guy with a gun versus 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.920 the bad guy with the gun thing, It's like, then 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.039 you have to train teachers and guns. Then it's like 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.640 what happens if the student gets access to the guns somehow? 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.960 And how about it's like, having more guns doesn't ever 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.840 feel like the answer. It doesn't. And then that's a 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.479 responsibility to put on the teachers that that that's not 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.680 what their job is. And by the way, that should 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.240 not be an excuse. That should not be like, well, 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.440 we can't do that because these same lawmakers that are 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.839 like you know that are saying, oh, we should arm teachers. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:30.960 They're the ones that if you look at their bios 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.640 on social media, right, they're the ones that are posting, oh, 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.760 you know, no one's taken our second amendum went away 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.320 from us. No one's gonna take our guns. Hey, ammunition 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.640 and guns are selling out faster than like they're bragging 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.680 about it, So don't tell me that it's not a 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.720 great I know what they say. They say that the 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.280 people that have these guns that they're not but you're 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.560 glorifying it, right, and you're making a big deal out 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.920 of it. So then that's to eighteen year olds now 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.960 that have gotten weapons that they shouldn't have had because 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.600 they don't have to pass any kind of checks, or 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.000 they get im illegally or whatever. It is. The point 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.960 is you have to make it harder. Okay, it's not 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:09.400 just armed teachers. No, make it harder. First. And here's 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.120 the other thing. So, just to update, it's nineteen children 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:16.160 and two adults. That's twenty one people. My other thought is, 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:22.800 so the shooter is dead mhm, and the police shot him. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:28.400 I'm always I'm just like, what is the motive? What? 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.480 What's what's going on? How is this happening? And also 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.440 it's like, oh, so are we supposed to just amp up? 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.280 Are we supposed to have a professional level of security 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:42.440 and metal detectors and and and like defencive gates around 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.160 elementary schools and middle schools and high schools and movie 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:50.040 theaters and malls and like, at what point is this? 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:56.960 It's like, how do we prevent these sorts of issues? 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.520 How do we prevent gun violence? I mean, it's like 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:05.280 how much security is secure enough? I don't get it. Yeah, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.200 during the pandemic, you know, h everyone kind of got 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.760 into the thing of good kids back in schools. You know, 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.080 their mental health isn't that well? You know what, there's 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.840 something about mental health about going to school and not 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.080 no no, if you're coming home or if someone's gonna 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:23.320 walk in and excuse me and and and shoot you 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.160 and your classmates. I'm struggling with the story. Obviously as 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.600 a parent I have this is difficult for me. Um. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.360 But you know it's like I saw someone I can't 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.240 let this go. I saw someone on the news yesterday 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.600 and they you know, everyone comes up with their little 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.680 spin of their other topics, and someone was like, you know, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.680 this is also this is about you know, kids being 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:49.480 afraid to to um to. What's the I forget what 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.920 the word was, but he's basically like tattle. You know kids, 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.559 you know, if you see something you have to say something. Hey, 0:08:55.600 --> 0:09:00.400 hey dude, go for yourself. It's like, no, that's that's 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.920 not where you're gonna where you're gonna direct this blame 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.320 right now? Okay, because number one, this was an eighteen 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.320 year old kid and these were elementary school students, so 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.280 what ten, eleven and younger? Right, So it's not like 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.400 this was a classmate that brought up knife to school 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.320 and no one said anything. So get your little propaganda 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.240 bullshit off the news right now. Okay, there's certain things 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.640 that we have to focus on, and you blaming children 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.520 who are some of them no longer with us is 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.040 not the angle that anybody needs. And there's there's no 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.239 one that should be given a guy like that a microphone. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.679 The children should never be blamed. No, this is us, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.960 this is adults, This is adults. This is I mean, 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.720 I'm I'm kind of speechless. And I know you're a 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.760 parent so that this is hitting you in a way 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:48.679 that I can't even imagine, But I I just I 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:53.800 just don't understand. This is just illogical to me. How 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:58.800 we don't have any sort of banning of guns, gun 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.040 control in a me in full way, And why is 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.439 it taking so long? It just doesn't make it's nonsensical. 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.360 And I think that is the end of the story. 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.800 You know, I am how many more times, how many 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.679 more times? I just don't like. This is the definition 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:20.000 of an insanity. I brought one, it is, and and 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.439 people normalizing it or being like, well, just armed teachers, 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:24.920 that's the only way to go. It's not the only 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.400 way to go. And I have brought one of my 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:33.040 kids this morning to uh she had an overnight today, 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.800 which is you know, is for me as a parent, 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.320 it's a difficult time to grasp that. But obviously you 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:40.920 have to do what you have to do. But as 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:42.280 she's getting ready to get on the bus. She was 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.160 a little nervous in general, and not because we had 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.440 talked about this, but she was a nervous. She's like, Dad, 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.720 let's take a selfie. And in my head, I'm like, 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.360 like does she know? Or two? I have all this 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.720 swirling around my head right now, and I'm like, so 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.640 you get that moment where like, let's take a selfie 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.120 and then you can't but help it nowadays and I'm like, 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.440 you know, like you look at this stuff. And there 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.240 were parents in Texas that maybe took a selfie before 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.200 school or maybe said I love you, or maybe said 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.000 see you later or whatever, and that was the last 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.439 time they got to do that with their children. And 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.800 that is not something that I think about stuff like 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.120 that anyway. Like that's just the way that I'm wired. 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.640 I think about. I value life, right, I had some 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.720 some instances where I lost some family members when I 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.200 was young, and so I value my everyday life. But 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.839 that shouldn't be a normal thing for people to think about. 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.000 I'm going to the store. I'm going to think, yes, 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.079 always tell somebody that you love them, but it should 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.280 not be is this the last time I'm gonna see somebody? 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.920 Because I'm going to the store or because they're going 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:42.880 to in school. Sorry, no, I think this is all 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.720 exactly how everyone is feeling, and you're just vocalizing it. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:53.160 And um, I'm I I really feel at a loss 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.920 of words for this story. And I'm grateful that you 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.319 have such a strong perspective on it, and I'm also 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.800 sorry that you have to have such a strong perspective 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.600 on it. I mean, this is completely I can't imagine 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.080 having children at that school. And and the other thing 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.520 is that the children who live will never be the 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.600 same either. So all the survivors are going to have 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.040 survivors guilt, and they're going to be afraid of being 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:22.520 indoors and buildings that they would normally deem safe. And 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.720 you know that's this is a tragedy that doesn't just 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.559 end here. Yeah, And it's like and sadly you can 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.240 rattle off the other people the other where those other 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.080 students and people are from Columbine, Newtown, Parkland, Like, there's 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.360 so many schools that you can rattle off in your head, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.880 and it's like, I don't know what to do anymore. 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:47.120 I mean, I think this is a little bit of 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.640 a touchy hot topic for both of us. And we're 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.240 gonna just quickly cut to break and have a breather, 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.840 and I suggest you all have a sip water, take 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.440 a break, come back to podcast, and we've got some 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:06.000 great guests coming up. We love you very much and 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.600 our heart goes out to everyone who's affected in this tragedy. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:24.640 We'll be right back. Yeah, oh my gosh, it's great 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.640 to have you both. Thank you so much for being 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.680 here with us time today. Thank you. We are big, 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.280 huge fans Dark Day though I guess to be here 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.520 just based on what's happening in the world today. Yeah, 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.319 too much real time crime. I think the unfortunate thing 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.760 about our podcast is that every time we think we're 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.079 just gonna do some you know, old cases and maybe 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.160 a couple of of of hilarious, funny little crimes here 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.720 and there, it's always like, oh no, wait, another huge 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.080 tragedy just happened, which is also the point of this podcast. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.559 Exactly no, exactly know. We talked at that a lot, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:04.559 not to jump in about you know, talking about crimes, 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.640 is that perpetuate crimes or you know, what is the 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.080 cross section? And personally, I think it's really important to 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.680 talk about it. So what you guys, do I think 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:18.120 is incredibly valuable not to get heady. Thank you, thank you. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:19.560 I think, you know, I used to think that. I 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.720 used to think, you know, the more we publicize stuff, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.400 but then I thought, you know what, I think people 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.440 need to talk about stuff otherwise you just keep it 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.920 all inside. And I don't think that talking about the 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:32.160 crimes is what you know, causes people to commit them. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.840 I think I think when you give someone that committed 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.040 a crime a reality show or something like that, then yes, 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.520 maybe we're crossing the line there. But I think he's 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:43.240 talking about the tender Swinler again. I am. That's still irritating. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.640 I just took people's money and everybody, and then everybody's like, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:49.920 hold on, let's give this guy a show. It's made 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.280 off have a show yet. I think you'd have a 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:59.520 great reality show up next. It's anyway, I won't, I 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.160 won't hijack, but you know, no, no, please hijack away. 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.160 That's the whole point of this thing is hijack. Yeah, literally, 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.240 that's actually the alternate name for this podcast. Well, it's 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.720 real time hijack. As you hijack please please, Stephanie. The 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:15.760 well we're gonna do is we're gonna keep interrupting you, 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.840 so we're gonna make the hijack difficult for you. No 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:19.680 one just sits there and I agrees to be hijacks. 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:21.120 Go ahead. Now that's part of the game, as we 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.240 all continually hijack each other. So I'm sorry, but this 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.080 is not going to be fun for anyone. We get it, No, 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.080 we really get it. But like to back up to 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.480 what you were just saying about talking about crimes, I 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.040 think it's the only way we know how to keep 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.520 ourselves safe is sort of knowing that these hideous things 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.920 do in facts happen, and how we can, you know, 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:44.200 spot the boogeyman in the room and hopefully prevent these 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:48.000 things from happening again. So that's it from my soapbox. Yeah, no, 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.520 I agree, I think um even on social media. I'm 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:55.600 in life, I'm sarcasm, but um, Somewhere along the way 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.640 I used to keep all stuff inside, and somewhere along 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.280 the way I realized, you know what, if I have 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.640 a thought kind of like, I'll write it out. And 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.640 because I realized that sometimes other people need to hear 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.680 it or need to or think, hey, I didn't think 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.160 of it that where or it's nice to know that 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.160 someone else is having these feelings too, or so I 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.560 think it's important. Well, it's also nice to have an 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.400 alternative perspective on an event that you might not have 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.120 heard before and gather more insight and to change your 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.000 own perspective. Maybe not to mention. If you meet somebody 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.080 who has been the victim of a crime or has 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:30.680 survived something as hideous as some of the crimes that 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.280 we talk about, and they have the wherewithal and the 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.280 ability to come and sit down for an interview and 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.880 push on with their lives and share their story. I 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:44.160 find it very inspiring. It really puts things into perspective 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.920 in terms of what I was whining about yesterday. You know, 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.000 you wake up to what we've seen today, this level 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.720 of tragedy, and it's mind blowing, and it just kind 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.600 of reminds us all to you know, get grateful and 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:01.400 you know, be aware. We've got the incredible, beautiful, talented 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.720 Courtney Armstrong and Stephanie Lye Decker on the podcast today. 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.440 We are so grateful to have you both here, and 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.879 they're the hosts of the Pike Town Massacre podcast and 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:16.679 it's available on all Apple podcasts. They're already far into 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.800 their episodes. So if you're someone who likes to binge, 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.919 o ho, I have a treat for you. Plan a 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:27.800 road trip baby. So you both are unscripted TV producers 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.960 and now you host this podcast about the terrifying Pike 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:36.320 Town massacre along with co host Jeff Shane, who's not here. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.240 That's fine, We want to ask questions. But did you 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.760 kill him? It sounds like sometimes sometimes Jeff is a 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.520 good nickname for him. Ha ha. So the show tells 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:50.320 the story of the horrific family annihilation. On the night 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.840 of a and rural pike Town, Ohio, eight members of 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.439 the road and family were all shot to death. Season 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.240 two of the Pike Town Massacre just began and it 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:03.000 starts with a band all puns intended. One of the 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.439 four suspects in the massacre, who has been pleading his 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:10.360 innocence for years, changed his mind and entered a guilty plea. 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.960 That would be like Amber heard turning around in court 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:14.840 right now and just being like, you know what I did? 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:22.520 Ship the bed the dog? She done that? Yes, she has? 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:27.000 Is that there we go? Depends who you ask. Yeah, well, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.000 if we asked Johnny. So two years later in their neighbors, 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.080 the Wagoners were arrested and charged with committing the largest 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.920 massacre in Ohio's history. Shocked by the arrest, the ones 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:43.080 close knit and religious community remains divided and unable to cope. Ladies, 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.639 Before we go more into the nitty gritty, is there 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.840 anything you want to share about the pod or your 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:52.120 experience or if you want to just um talk about 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:59.919 Jeff since he's not here. Um, Jeff, you this in spirit, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.240 and we wish you were in person as well, um, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.760 because as Stephanie said, he has a real I know 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.080 you said in person, but it sounded like you said, 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:13.800 I wish he was in prison as well. Uh. Sometimes 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:20.960 one courtney, Um, but yeah, I'll say what what brought 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:25.679 part of what brought us to to this story and 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.560 staying on the story for so long is actually going 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.240 and visiting Piked in which Stephanie, Jeff and I all 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:36.119 went to Piked in Ohio, UM several times and we 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:40.640 got to knock on doors and speak to people who 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.800 were integral to all sides and and just to find 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:49.560 out kind of in wasn't in real time exactly when 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:55.040 the tragedy happened, but it was in tragedy, lingers and 0:19:55.080 --> 0:20:01.600 the effects. You know, they lad there forever, um, and 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:03.840 so I think that's part of what's kept us is 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:09.760 really the people who were involved. I just wanted to 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.080 set up so the for those of you that don't know, 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:16.040 there were a family of eight, right, were massacred execution 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.639 style in this town, in different homes, all on the 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:22.880 same day, all on the same day. And initially reports 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.800 said that it was in fact execution style, and they 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.280 thought it was this assassin who came in in the 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.560 night and went to four different locations. And we now 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:34.760 know that it was far from an execution. It was 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.520 a straight massacre. It was an overkill. Four members of 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.760 the same you know, eight members of the same family, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.440 ranging in age as young as sixteen years old. We're 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.359 all murdered. Some of them were mothers holding their babies. 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:52.440 And to find out two years later, the babies, thankfully 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.639 we're all left alive at the scene. Um tragic as 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.880 even that sounds for the life to come. But find 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.840 out two years later that a local, very prominent family 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.840 who was very close to the victims were in fact 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.000 the killers. And um, now we know that as fact, 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.400 as one of them has pled and you're talking about 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:16.800 a mother, a father, and two sons, and the four 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.200 of them we now know, as a matter of fact, 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:24.920 plotted and planned for months and months to essentially eradicate 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:29.240 an entire bloodline and did so pretty successfully and almost 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:32.760 got away with it. And you know, the town is 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:34.879 a small town, like so many that we are all 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:39.159 from myself included, and imagine knowing either somebody on the 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.399 victim side or someone on the accuse side. It was 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.440 a small town that was rocked. It's considered the largest 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:50.760 crime investigation in Ohio's history. So you don't go anywhere there, 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.760 whether you're at the Walmart or at the you know, 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.720 the local little shop. Who is not affected they went 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.920 to high school with the accused, or they know into 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.000 a well one of the victims, so and and not 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.520 to mention. So this was in two thousand sixteen, right, 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.119 And then this family that you're referring to, which I 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.680 can't wrap my head around. You know some parents that 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:15.560 then commit murders with their kids like together, that's there's 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:20.520 obviously yes, no, I can't. But so then it was 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.840 two years right until they were arrested. So you're talking 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:28.040 about a close knit community and amongst this, that family 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.080 was just there for two years acting like, wow, I 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:33.920 can't believe this happened. So that's enough to re rattle you, right, 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.959 the whole communities rattled in two thousand sixteen. Then two 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:38.720 years later they found out that these people that they 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.200 were probably opening up to about this were the ones 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.440 that did it. And so then you shook again. Yeah, 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.800 and the the Wagner family, who again is now all 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.600 the four of them are in prison. Um, you know, 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.880