1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,599
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here.

2
00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,240
Speaker 2: Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election,

3
00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,840
Speaker 2: and we are so excited about what that means for

4
00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:08,720
Speaker 2: the future of the show.

5
00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,760
Speaker 1: This is the only place where you can find honest

6
00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,280
Speaker 1: perspectives from the left and the right that simply does

7
00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,680
Speaker 1: not exist anywhere else.

8
00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,080
Speaker 2: So if that is something that's important to you, please

9
00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,599
Speaker 2: go to Breakingpoints dot com. Become a member today and

10
00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,800
Speaker 2: you'll get access to our full shows, unedited, ad free,

11
00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,600
Speaker 2: and all put together for you every morning in your inbox.

12
00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,560
Speaker 1: We need your help to build the future of independent

13
00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,920
Speaker 1: news media and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints

14
00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:35,599
Speaker 1: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. I have an

15
00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,839
Speaker 1: amazing show for everybody today when we have Crystal.

16
00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,120
Speaker 2: Indeed, we do Sager and Ryan with some new bombshell

17
00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,559
Speaker 2: reporting about Venezuela. You definitely want to stay tuned for

18
00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,960
Speaker 2: that one. A lot of moving pieces there and fantastic

19
00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,960
Speaker 2: reporting on your part and Ryan's part. We also have

20
00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,839
Speaker 2: updates with regard to the shutdown. Trump partying away at

21
00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,560
Speaker 2: a Great Gatsby themed party while food stamp benefits run dry.

22
00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,160
Speaker 2: A judge is intervening and saying that they do have

23
00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,600
Speaker 2: to tap emergency funds to pay on the benefits, so

24
00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,240
Speaker 2: that remains in limbo as we speak.

25
00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,480
Speaker 3: This morning, we got a bunch of stuff going on

26
00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,119
Speaker 3: with cash.

27
00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,680
Speaker 2: Mattel Over at the FBI under fire once again, this

28
00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,280
Speaker 2: time for flying around in a taxpayer funded private jet in.

29
00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,720
Speaker 3: Order to see his girlfriend.

30
00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,680
Speaker 2: He is speaking out, responding in a relatively both humiliating

31
00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,759
Speaker 2: and entertaining.

32
00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,680
Speaker 1: Way, So humiliation first, entertaining for the rest of it.

33
00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,080
Speaker 2: Indeed, we're also taking a look at Fox News and

34
00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,479
Speaker 2: a bunch of conservative influencers fell for these rage bait

35
00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,880
Speaker 2: welfare Queen AI videos, so we'll break that down for you.

36
00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,479
Speaker 2: We are quite cooked when it comes to Ai. These

37
00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,200
Speaker 2: videos are getting very believable apparently. Also a wild story

38
00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,399
Speaker 2: out of Israel. I'm not even sure how to characterize

39
00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,039
Speaker 2: this one, but you guys remember the whole right to

40
00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,120
Speaker 2: rape riots that unfolded in Israel.

41
00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,360
Speaker 3: Well, now the society's an.

42
00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,040
Speaker 2: Uproar, furious at the person who leaked the video of

43
00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,200
Speaker 2: the Palestinian being raped by the IDF.

44
00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,160
Speaker 3: There's a lot going on here, so we'll bring you

45
00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,400
Speaker 3: all of the detail there.

46
00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,840
Speaker 2: Also have a bunch of updates in the whole Fuintes,

47
00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:10,200
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson, Heritage Foundation fallout. Conservative world is really experiencing

48
00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,600
Speaker 2: quite a schism over the issue of anti Semitism and

49
00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,240
Speaker 2: over the issue of israel I have thoughts the one

50
00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,200
Speaker 2: to hear the soccer thoughts as well, so that'll be

51
00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,240
Speaker 2: an interesting one. We're also going to do our AMA

52
00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,160
Speaker 2: live today. If you want to be part of those,

53
00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,720
Speaker 2: make sure you sign up at Breakingpoints dot com, become

54
00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,639
Speaker 2: a premium subscriber. And also we have some amazing holiday

55
00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:33,120
Speaker 2: merch guys. By popular demand. The holiday sweater and socks

56
00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:33,679
Speaker 2: are back.

57
00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,280
Speaker 1: That's right, let's put them up there the screen.

58
00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,640
Speaker 3: Yep, and they are.

59
00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,360
Speaker 2: If you're a premium member, you get twenty percent off.

60
00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:40,200
Speaker 3: Check you.

61
00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,560
Speaker 2: For those of you who are premium subscribers, check your

62
00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,799
Speaker 2: email should have the discount code.

63
00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,360
Speaker 1: That's right, the code will be in there. It is

64
00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,080
Speaker 1: made in the USA and Union, Okay, so not like

65
00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,760
Speaker 1: everybody else out there hawking and stuff from China. And

66
00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,760
Speaker 1: I can personally attest to the quality of the socks, who,

67
00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,679
Speaker 1: as I said, the shoe salesman tells me, are incredibles.

68
00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,959
Speaker 3: You would lie genuinely loves these.

69
00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,520
Speaker 1: You would not lie. He would not lie to me

70
00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,400
Speaker 1: about how awesome his socks are. Definitely not trying to

71
00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,679
Speaker 1: sell me a pair of shoes, but nonetheless I appreciate

72
00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,400
Speaker 1: his compliment. It is great, by the way, to be

73
00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,720
Speaker 1: back on standard time. The sun did rise again, and

74
00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,600
Speaker 1: so it's beautiful, beautiful this morning. It's a gorgeous morning

75
00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,080
Speaker 1: here in Washington. All right, let's go ahead and start

76
00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,440
Speaker 1: with Venezuela. President Trump sat yesterday with sixty minutes after

77
00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,080
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bill's game, and here's what he said about

78
00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,080
Speaker 1: Nicholas Maduro, saying his days are numbered. Let's take a listen.

79
00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,440
Speaker 4: That is the world's largest aircraft carrier on the way

80
00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,840
Speaker 4: to the Caribbean. Are we going to war against Venezuela.

81
00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:37,400
Speaker 5: I doubt it.

82
00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,160
Speaker 6: I don't think so.

83
00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,960
Speaker 5: But they've been treating us very badly, not only on drugs.

84
00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,880
Speaker 5: They've dumped hundreds of thousands of people into our country

85
00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,440
Speaker 5: that we didn't want. People from prisons. They emptied their

86
00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,680
Speaker 5: prisons into our country. They also, if you take a look,

87
00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,920
Speaker 5: they emptied their mental institutions and they're in Santasus into

88
00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,600
Speaker 5: the United States of America. Because Joe Biden was the

89
00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,080
Speaker 5: worst president history of our country.

90
00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,680
Speaker 4: But I just want to talk about the scale of

91
00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,440
Speaker 4: the military operation around Venezuela, because it has been described

92
00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,400
Speaker 4: as sixty minutes as using a blow torch to cook

93
00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:10,920
Speaker 4: an egg.

94
00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,640
Speaker 3: Is this about stopping think so?

95
00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,280
Speaker 4: Look is it about let me ask you though, is

96
00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,599
Speaker 4: it about stopping narcotics? Or is this about getting rid

97
00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,000
Speaker 4: of President Maduro?

98
00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:20,440
Speaker 1: Now?

99
00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,960
Speaker 5: This is about many things. This is a country that

100
00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,200
Speaker 5: allowed their prisons to be emptied into our country. To me,

101
00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,960
Speaker 5: that would be almost number one because of other countries.

102
00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,239
Speaker 5: Mexico has been very bad to us in terms of drugs. Okay,

103
00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,320
Speaker 5: very bad. We have a closed border right now. You

104
00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,040
Speaker 5: probably noticed that for five months in a row, they

105
00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,880
Speaker 5: have zero, think of this, zero people coming into our

106
00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,760
Speaker 5: country through our southern border on Venezuela.

107
00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,720
Speaker 4: In particular. Are Maduro's days as president numbers?

108
00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:51,479
Speaker 5: Oh so, yeah?

109
00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,039
Speaker 1: I think so.

110
00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,839
Speaker 4: And this issue of potential land strikes in Venezuela, is

111
00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:56,159
Speaker 4: that true?

112
00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,599
Speaker 5: I don't tell you that. I mean, I'm not saying

113
00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,640
Speaker 5: it's true or untrue, but i'd I would have been

114
00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,400
Speaker 5: inclined to say that I would do that, but because

115
00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:05,920
Speaker 5: I don't talk to a reporter.

116
00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,800
Speaker 1: I would say yeah, in terms of his days being

117
00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,440
Speaker 1: number We're not going to go to war with Venezuela.

118
00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,039
Speaker 1: But Maduro's days are number by the way. That's just

119
00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,000
Speaker 1: from Donald Trump, who is probably the least belligerent member

120
00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,800
Speaker 1: of his White House on Venezuela, if you can believe it. So,

121
00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,120
Speaker 1: we have compiled a number of comments in setting the

122
00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:28,240
Speaker 1: ground for any potential invasion, regime change, strike, CIA, operation, assassination,

123
00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,440
Speaker 1: et cetera. The craziest one so far is you will

124
00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,160
Speaker 1: be shocked to learn that Maduro is now hamas and

125
00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,240
Speaker 1: in fact is pro terrorist. This is from the White

126
00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,160
Speaker 1: House counter Terrorism Advisor Seb Gorka in an interview from

127
00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:41,960
Speaker 1: the White House Lawn.

128
00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,560
Speaker 7: Let's take a listen, and it is primarily about the

129
00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,280
Speaker 7: drugs raw. But it's not just about the drugs. I

130
00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,159
Speaker 7: can't talk about the classified aspects of this. But in

131
00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,120
Speaker 7: open source right now, your viewers can go online and

132
00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,159
Speaker 7: they can search for the connections of that regime, the

133
00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,360
Speaker 7: Maduro rage to other bad actors are the States other

134
00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,520
Speaker 7: nations who for example, have been plotting to target members

135
00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:14,440
Speaker 7: of this administration, including the president. Iran's tentacles into this

136
00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,000
Speaker 7: hemisphere go straight through Caracas.

137
00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,719
Speaker 1: Iran's tentacles wrapped through Caracas. You can't even make this

138
00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,560
Speaker 1: shit up, honestly, And by the way, that's not even

139
00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,120
Speaker 1: the craziest part. We'll get to in a little bit

140
00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,360
Speaker 1: about how they're they're pro Iran, they're pro Russia, they're

141
00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,200
Speaker 1: pro China, they're pro Hamas, they're terrorists, but their drug traffickers. Yeah,

142
00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,800
Speaker 1: they're They're everything under the sun that you need to

143
00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,560
Speaker 1: facilitate a violent regime change in Venezuela now currently. And

144
00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,440
Speaker 1: I think what I'm just the most galled by is

145
00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,920
Speaker 1: again the level of seriousness which I do not think

146
00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,240
Speaker 1: that the mainstream media is taking this. So the strikes,

147
00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,279
Speaker 1: the land strikes, that remains a possibility. We'll get to

148
00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,000
Speaker 1: that in a moment. But the simple fact is is,

149
00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, you can look the State Department on the

150
00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,839
Speaker 1: record gave Ryan and I a statement saying Maduro is

151
00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,080
Speaker 1: not the legitimate leader of Venezuela. It's one of the

152
00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,599
Speaker 1: craziest things I've ever read, you know, literally a total

153
00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,600
Speaker 1: declaration from the United States government and on the record

154
00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,800
Speaker 1: statement from the spokesperson to Marco Rubio declaring this person

155
00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,000
Speaker 1: illegitimates that we have a fifty million dollar bounty, something

156
00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,040
Speaker 1: that US many sources and I have been speaking to

157
00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,200
Speaker 1: is that fifty million. You know, the impetus behind that

158
00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,760
Speaker 1: is basically to get every mercenary under the sun to

159
00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,000
Speaker 1: mount some violent operation against Maduro. And so there are

160
00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,480
Speaker 1: all kinds of sketchy blackwater style guys who are flooding

161
00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,320
Speaker 1: the Caribbean, Guyana and Colombia buying all sorts of weapons

162
00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,560
Speaker 1: because they want their payday. And so that's the type

163
00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,280
Speaker 1: of thing that we're endorsing. Who knows what will happen

164
00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,880
Speaker 1: if this regime completely collapses and everybody's just acting like

165
00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,120
Speaker 1: it's just pie in the sky and a democracy. What

166
00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,520
Speaker 1: will prevail on day one? I think the opposite, it's

167
00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,960
Speaker 1: going to happen, and all signs currently point in that direction.

168
00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, to your point about the mainstream press, you

169
00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,000
Speaker 2: know what I saw written up in the New York

170
00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,640
Speaker 2: Times this morning about that sixteen minutes clip we showed

171
00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,360
Speaker 2: you from Trump is, Oh, he says we're not going

172
00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,040
Speaker 2: to be at war with Venezuela. What No, the timeline

173
00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,200
Speaker 2: is he said Maduro's days are numbered. Now, maybe he

174
00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,440
Speaker 2: doesn't want to come out and be like, oh, yeah,

175
00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,840
Speaker 2: we're going to war tomorrow, but we already know from

176
00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,080
Speaker 2: the New York Times reporting, by the way, backed up

177
00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,760
Speaker 2: by Sager and Ryan, that he has greenlit these CIA operations.

178
00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,200
Speaker 2: We see what's happening with our own eyes, with striking

179
00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,640
Speaker 2: these random drug boats, with the bounty that's put on him,

180
00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,920
Speaker 2: with the massing military assets in the region. We know

181
00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,280
Speaker 2: about the internal push. I can't even call it a

182
00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,840
Speaker 2: tug of war. It's just an all out push towards

183
00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,400
Speaker 2: war and regime change operations in Venezuela. So you know

184
00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,840
Speaker 2: when I hear the President of the United States say, yeah,

185
00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,600
Speaker 2: his days are numbered, well, how do you think that

186
00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,199
Speaker 2: you think it's just going to be ow an organic

187
00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,920
Speaker 2: uprising of the people in Venezuela. No, that is not

188
00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,559
Speaker 2: remotely what we're talking about here. You know, with regard

189
00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,400
Speaker 2: to the migration piece as well, it's complete insanity. First

190
00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,920
Speaker 2: of all, his whole like they opened up the insane asiunds.

191
00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,120
Speaker 2: I continue to believe that he actually thinks the asylum

192
00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,360
Speaker 2: process is the same like opening up insane asylums. But

193
00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,480
Speaker 2: you know, you've had actually a Byproson project in the

194
00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,480
Speaker 2: US which has pushed a lot of people out of

195
00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,640
Speaker 2: Venezuela to migrate to other countries. Including our own I

196
00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,120
Speaker 2: mean Mark Rubio and those types. They have been the

197
00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,920
Speaker 2: ones that have you know, like welcomed Venezuelans into the country.

198
00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,199
Speaker 2: Now I support migration, but I also support people being

199
00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,679
Speaker 2: able to live in their own country and have it

200
00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,920
Speaker 2: not be wrecked by sanctions, owner as sanctions which are

201
00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,320
Speaker 2: part of what has created the economic misery in that

202
00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,240
Speaker 2: country as well. So in any case, if you have

203
00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,760
Speaker 2: a failed state there and chaos, guess how many people

204
00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,440
Speaker 2: are going to want to leave that country. You're very

205
00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,600
Speaker 2: likely to have an increase migration crisis, which is going

206
00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,800
Speaker 2: to be obviously first and foremost a problem for those

207
00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,040
Speaker 2: individuals who have to flee the area. You're going to

208
00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,040
Speaker 2: have fallout spillover effects for countries in the region, and

209
00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,280
Speaker 2: also you know, for our own country as well. So

210
00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,640
Speaker 2: the whole thing is completely insane, But I was My

211
00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,520
Speaker 2: mind was blown by the framing from the mainstream press.

212
00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,240
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, he says, he's right, He's not going

213
00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,280
Speaker 2: forward with invade. Everybody calmed down, there's not going to war.

214
00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:00,960
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fine.

215
00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,720
Speaker 1: What they mean by that is that they're not gonna

216
00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,560
Speaker 1: be a full scale invasion, and maybe, yeah, maybe there

217
00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,280
Speaker 1: won't be a full scale invasion. They don't think that

218
00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,080
Speaker 1: they need to. They think they can militarily pressure him

219
00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,439
Speaker 1: to step down or cause some sort of CIA internal

220
00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,600
Speaker 1: coup inside of the country. By the way, that's way worse, right,

221
00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,560
Speaker 1: because if you're going to do it, then they need

222
00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,240
Speaker 1: to do it, you need to do it properly, and

223
00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,080
Speaker 1: you need to occupy the country for some twenty odd years.

224
00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't support that, just to be very clear, but

225
00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,040
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the only way that it would ever work.

226
00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,079
Speaker 1: In the meantime, we've got our CIA backed, you know,

227
00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,520
Speaker 1: people like Maria Machado, who has recently been given the

228
00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:41,080
Speaker 1: Nobel Peace Prize and is a one hundred percent US

229
00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,000
Speaker 1: backed Like there's no other way to describe it. I'll

230
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000
Speaker 1: get to my reporting and a bit about some of

231
00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,280
Speaker 1: the details. I have the exact numbers on the number

232
00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,959
Speaker 1: of dollars that flew into her coffers and the entire

233
00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,680
Speaker 1: Venezuela and opposition over the last five years. But listen,

234
00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,760
Speaker 1: this is a very sophisticated political actor. She's now giving

235
00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,800
Speaker 1: interviews saying that Maduro is tied to Hamas, to the

236
00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,560
Speaker 1: Palestinian resistance, He's a terrorist. She supports the land strikes.

237
00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,960
Speaker 1: She has been behind the scenes. I can tell you

238
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,960
Speaker 1: all in a little bit about the level of support

239
00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,679
Speaker 1: that she's given to the trendy arragua accusations of the

240
00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,199
Speaker 1: drug trafficking accusation. She is that the number one force

241
00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,880
Speaker 1: in Washington and around the Western world to push violent

242
00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,280
Speaker 1: regime change so that she herself can assume the presidency

243
00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,359
Speaker 1: and has hundreds of millions of dollars at her disposal.

244
00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,079
Speaker 1: Here's the interview she gave. I mean, it's again a parody,

245
00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:29,480
Speaker 1: literally a parody. Let's take a listen.

246
00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,880
Speaker 6: For years, we were, you know, asking the world to

247
00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:39,800
Speaker 6: understand the degree of the threat and this devastation the

248
00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,000
Speaker 6: Maduda regime was building in Venezuela. I mean, Venezuela has

249
00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,000
Speaker 6: been turned into the safe heaven for the activities of

250
00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,800
Speaker 6: all criminal international networks, from the Druger Tales to the

251
00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:59,280
Speaker 6: Colombian Gorilla, to those groups that smuggle gold and destroy

252
00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,880
Speaker 6: communities of our indigenous people and the ecology, to red

253
00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:12,800
Speaker 6: works that smuggle arms and even human trafficking and child prostitution.

254
00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:18,840
Speaker 6: This is horrible what we're living. Russian agents, Iranian agents

255
00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:24,880
Speaker 6: freely operating in Venezuela, Hezbola and Hamas being located in

256
00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,040
Speaker 6: our country, and we have asked for years international community

257
00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,040
Speaker 6: to cut these sources that come from drug trafficking and

258
00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,640
Speaker 6: other criminal heviies. Finally, this is happening.

259
00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,640
Speaker 8: So you think those killings are justified, then that's what

260
00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,880
Speaker 8: I really want to understand that this is or are they,

261
00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,960
Speaker 8: as the UN would say, extra judicial killings.

262
00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:51,439
Speaker 9: This is about saving lives and Madudo is absolutely conscious

263
00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,240
Speaker 9: and he has been worn what not to do. These

264
00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,080
Speaker 9: deaths are the responsibility of Nicolas Madudo.

265
00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,000
Speaker 8: About the rights to do process of the people who

266
00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,359
Speaker 8: were on those boats.

267
00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,479
Speaker 6: I certainly defend the rights of everyone, not only Venezuelana's.

268
00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,600
Speaker 6: That's why why my voice have been you know, loud,

269
00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,480
Speaker 6: all along this process. But you need to understand they

270
00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,360
Speaker 6: have all the international community to understand that this is

271
00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,959
Speaker 6: a very cruel war. It was Madudo who turned this

272
00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,960
Speaker 6: into an international conflict.

273
00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,880
Speaker 8: Look when you that's why those.

274
00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:34,760
Speaker 10: People on the boats, it was Madudo who insisted on

275
00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,719
Speaker 10: maintaining operations that have consequences. My Dudo is not a

276
00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:45,560
Speaker 10: conventional dictator. We're facing anarco terrorist structure.

277
00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,679
Speaker 1: So that's the Lady pro Hamas. You know, Maduro's Hamas,

278
00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,840
Speaker 1: Maduro's Iran, Maduro's Russia, Maduro's you know, anybody bad you joke,

279
00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,080
Speaker 1: the ghosts of bin Laden is in Venezuela too. And

280
00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, let's also just take this on a very

281
00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:04,080
Speaker 1: basic lab do you think that Let's say, I don't

282
00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,480
Speaker 1: know if Maduro is popular or not. I have no idea.

283
00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of propaganda and all that

284
00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,640
Speaker 1: out there. I will say this, if you're another country

285
00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,480
Speaker 1: and another if you are Venezuela and the United States

286
00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,240
Speaker 1: sanctions you to death for the last five to ten years,

287
00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,920
Speaker 1: you have a huge migration crisis, which I'll also get

288
00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,480
Speaker 1: to in a little bit in terms of the US

289
00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,560
Speaker 1: role in some of that. And now the opposition leader,

290
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,640
Speaker 1: who you may have had some sort of democratic faith in,

291
00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,080
Speaker 1: is on the records supporting strikes against your countrymen, in

292
00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,240
Speaker 1: addition to being CIA and US backed in some sort

293
00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,560
Speaker 1: of a literal coup that has been acknowledged by the president.

294
00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,960
Speaker 1: Would you, even if you hate Maduro, would you accept

295
00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,280
Speaker 1: that person as your new leader solely as a democratic

296
00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,000
Speaker 1: polity with people, you know, tens of millions of people

297
00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,880
Speaker 1: who live in that country. Very oil rich and explicitly

298
00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,360
Speaker 1: stated goal of wanting to take advantage of your mineral resources.

299
00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,120
Speaker 1: Would you allow that person to assume the mantle? Why

300
00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,200
Speaker 1: what self respecting person could do that? Imagine in the

301
00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,240
Speaker 1: United States, you don't like Trump, Okay, Well, if the

302
00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,600
Speaker 1: Chinese or some other country like came in deposed that

303
00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,120
Speaker 1: person explicitly to try and steal our oil, Like, do

304
00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,040
Speaker 1: not think that even a lot of Democrats and other

305
00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,560
Speaker 1: people don't like trouble Like, Yeah, I don't know about this,

306
00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know about all this. If some

307
00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:29,000
Speaker 1: KGB style assassination explicitly stated out there, I think most

308
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,640
Speaker 1: Americans be like, listen, you know, I'm not so thrilled

309
00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,360
Speaker 1: with my president and all that, but I'm not dealing

310
00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,200
Speaker 1: with whatever this is. That's what do you think is

311
00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,800
Speaker 1: more likely to take up arms against somebody like that?

312
00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,880
Speaker 1: Who do you think is going to meet perhaps let's

313
00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,840
Speaker 1: say violent resistance or anti democratic names. She's openly supporting

314
00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,320
Speaker 1: the strikes here, which is dramatically unpopular in Venezuela.

315
00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,160
Speaker 2: She's openly supporting let's be clear about with this, she

316
00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,760
Speaker 2: is openly supporting the murder of random Venezuelans with no

317
00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,360
Speaker 2: evidence or due process, that's what you And she's calling

318
00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,240
Speaker 2: for direct us action in Venezuela.

319
00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,080
Speaker 3: Like that's insane.

320
00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,320
Speaker 2: And this is the lady that you know, miss Nobel

321
00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,560
Speaker 2: Peace Prize. This is the lady that you think is

322
00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,080
Speaker 2: going to you know, be able to unify the country

323
00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,760
Speaker 2: and bring everybody together in this theoretical Postmodora world. Insane

324
00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,440
Speaker 2: And I'm so insulted by the how like stupid they

325
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,760
Speaker 2: think we are with their propaganda, Like you know, Medora's Hamas,

326
00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,160
Speaker 2: Medora's Hesbela, Medora's Iron, It's Russia. It's the ghost of

327
00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,240
Speaker 2: Bin Laden, It's the ghost of Ada Vula. I mean,

328
00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,880
Speaker 2: just like you know, at least in the past, there

329
00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,960
Speaker 2: was some effort for a full sale like propaganda effort

330
00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,800
Speaker 2: to convince the American people of the goodness of our

331
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,200
Speaker 2: various wars. Here they just slap together, okay, drug trafficking, terrorism,

332
00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,760
Speaker 2: Hesbela Hamas, Okay, we gotta do it, guys. Let's like,

333
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,600
Speaker 2: don't ask you many questions. We're just going to be

334
00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,320
Speaker 2: off to the races here And look at this lady.

335
00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,200
Speaker 3: Isn't she amazing or new afbed Challabi ready to go.

336
00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:00,360
Speaker 2: It's so insane to me the just how easy they

337
00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,040
Speaker 2: think we are to manipulate, and unfortunately, for a lot

338
00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,280
Speaker 2: of people, apparently it's true.

339
00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,159
Speaker 3: They really buy it.

340
00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,480
Speaker 1: We don't live in a democracy anymore. We live in

341
00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,919
Speaker 1: a look. I mean, maybe we never did, but the

342
00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,840
Speaker 1: point is that we've always been ruled and governed by elites.

343
00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,760
Speaker 1: The elites who are in power are Marco Rubio and

344
00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,920
Speaker 1: in a cabal of South Floridians who have taken over

345
00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,840
Speaker 1: the White House that Trump is somehow susceptible to and

346
00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,320
Speaker 1: has been convinced of this violent takeover for his benefit.

347
00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,359
Speaker 1: He has been convinced that we can get more oil

348
00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,920
Speaker 1: from Venezuela if we overthrow the regime, as opposed to Maduro,

349
00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,679
Speaker 1: who literally is telling us take whatever you want. This

350
00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,040
Speaker 1: is the thing people don't understand about Maduro. He does

351
00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,840
Speaker 1: not actually care that much about Russia and China. I

352
00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,800
Speaker 1: was not a Latin American expert, but I've now spent

353
00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,399
Speaker 1: literally hours on the phone talking to people who have

354
00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,399
Speaker 1: met him. Recently, spoken with ten people who have met

355
00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,120
Speaker 1: Nicholas Muduro in the last six months. All of them

356
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,639
Speaker 1: tell me the exact same thing. Maduro does not care

357
00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,520
Speaker 1: about this. He's absolutely willing to sell oil, mineral's gold.

358
00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,680
Speaker 1: He just wants to survive a top his thing. He's

359
00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,840
Speaker 1: even willing to, let' say, step aside in some sort

360
00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,879
Speaker 1: of deal in twenty thirty. Well he'll go, you know,

361
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,280
Speaker 1: he'll step aside from the government, and you know, you

362
00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,520
Speaker 1: can have a win win type situation, but the regime

363
00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,119
Speaker 1: that he has will remain in power. That is literally

364
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,919
Speaker 1: what's on the table. We're saying, no, we're doing this

365
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,400
Speaker 1: violent drug trafficking narrative instead, which is totally fake. It's fake.

366
00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,399
Speaker 1: Let's go and put Ryan and I story please up

367
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,520
Speaker 1: on the screen just so I can kind of go

368
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,240
Speaker 1: through all of it. This is from Ryan. He got

369
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,120
Speaker 1: the big scoop here is that the US expanded drug

370
00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,600
Speaker 1: cartel target list to include Columbian sites amid the Rubio

371
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,639
Speaker 1: push for Venezuelan and regime change. That was from Ryan

372
00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,080
Speaker 1: is that what they did is that they have expanded

373
00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,800
Speaker 1: the strike list to include on the border with Venezuela

374
00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,480
Speaker 1: and Colombia in addition to Mexico, and that Lindsay Graham

375
00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,640
Speaker 1: is going all over Capitol Hill urging people to support

376
00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,560
Speaker 1: some sort of strikes, not only on Venezuela, for regime change,

377
00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,119
Speaker 1: but all across Latin America. But here's a portion that

378
00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,000
Speaker 1: I really want everyone to sit with. I got my

379
00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,560
Speaker 1: hands on a bunch of these internal USAID documents, okay,

380
00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,879
Speaker 1: from the last five years, and I just want to

381
00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,600
Speaker 1: read to you all the colaioscile amounts of money that

382
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 1: have flown into the flowed into the Venezuelan opposition two

383
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,800
Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen million dollars over the last five years.

384
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,880
Speaker 1: This is perent internal USAIDA assessment that I was able

385
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,920
Speaker 1: to get my hands on just into the Venezuelan opposition

386
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,880
Speaker 1: for Machado eighteen million last year alone, including global travel

387
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,199
Speaker 1: of this recent Nobel Peace Prize tour. This was just

388
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. So this is under the Biden administration

389
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 1: in the more recent times. By the way, after Trump

390
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 1: disbanded USAID, they redirected four hundred million dollars just in

391
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty five to combat ideologically opposed governments

392
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,920
Speaker 1: in Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua four hundred million. So add

393
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,480
Speaker 1: all that up, we're talking about six seven hundred million dollars.

394
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 1: In addition, by the way, by the way, what did

395
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 1: Ryan and I found find in the middle of the

396
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 1: appropriations bill, let me read it to you. Specifically, of

397
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,679
Speaker 1: the funds appropriated by this act under the heading of

398
00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 1: Economic Support fund, fifty million shall be made available for

399
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,120
Speaker 1: democracy programs in Venezuela. That is an increase of ten

400
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 1: million from just the last year. So add all that,

401
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 1: this is almost a billion dollars that I can verify

402
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 1: of just over the last five years flowing into Venezuela.

403
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 1: Maria Machado. This whole Nobel Peace Price thing is what

404
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,679
Speaker 1: one hundred percent orchestrated by the United States, And this

405
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 1: is part of the bipartisan narrative. Yes, Rubio and Trump

406
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 1: are the ones who are taking it a step further.

407
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 1: Biden pumped hundreds of mills into the Venezuelan opposition. This

408
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 1: whole Juan Guido regime op that's been going on since

409
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and what is in twenty nineteen, has been

410
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 1: flowing now for years, to the point where the entire

411
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 1: bipartisan machine just seems to agree that we need to

412
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 1: pump all this money into Venezuela and that regime change

413
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 1: itself is an effort which will be successful. It will

414
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: not be We do we learn nothing and you know again,

415
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 1: just to stick with this is Maduro himself. And look,

416
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm not pro Maduro. I think he's a bad guy. Okay,

417
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, you know, I'm sure he's all an election.

418
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I don't really care

419
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 1: if he's willing to sell US oil whatever. Okay, there's

420
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 1: a lot of bad people all around the world who

421
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 1: sell US oil. Saudi Arabia shocker. Well, you know, it's

422
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: really funny. Maduro has been telling anybody who will listen,

423
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: he go by the way. He's like, I didn't invade you,

424
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 1: you destroyed my country with sanctions. And what I uncovered

425
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: was a uscid contract from September twenty twenty three to

426
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,479
Speaker 1: July of twenty twenty four. I literally got to read

427
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 1: the contract to a large Colombian newspaper called El Pais.

428
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: And this newspaper was being funded billions of Colombian pesos

429
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: to run ads about a quote new narrative about the

430
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 1: Venezuelan migrant population, to document and make visible success of

431
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: stories of migrants accessing the formal market in Columbia using

432
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: formats and media regularly consulted by business groups. The justification

433
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: of that contract was to say that Venezuelan should stay

434
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 1: in Colombia. Now, what do the critics of that campaign

435
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: say is that we funded This is just one of

436
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: many contrasts all across Latin America which basically encouraged Venezuelans

437
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: to leave Venezuela and then once they got to Columbia,

438
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, well, maybe we'll try and do

439
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,959
Speaker 1: this ad siop to make them stay there. No, what

440
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: it did is it sucked even more people out of

441
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: Venezuela to Colombia, guy on all of these other neighbors

442
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: throughout Latin America, and then they came here for DPS

443
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: using the border under Biden. I mean, over a million

444
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 1: people came here from Venezuela, just under Joe Biden. Just

445
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: to point out, like he and by the way, not

446
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: just him, leftists and other people who are currently in

447
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: power in Columbia have been screaming this from the rooftops.

448
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: Is they're like, look, we agree, you know, the border

449
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: situation and all that is out of control, but you

450
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: cannot absolve yourselves of literally funding a group of funding

451
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: huge ad campaigns across our countries basically encouraging Venezuelans to leave.

452
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 3: Well okay, sanctioning the ship exactly, and then make your head.

453
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: So they cannot benefit from the vast mineral and oil

454
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 2: wealth that they actually have, engaging all these multimillion dollars

455
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: of you know, USAID, democracy, regime change funds, the whole

456
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 2: one Guido thing. And then the AD campaign's actively effectively

457
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: encouraging yes.

458
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: Nicely migrations.

459
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: So you know, I mean, and this is where again

460
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 2: the bipartisan aspect of it. You know, everything I just

461
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: happened on your people that was by it, but all

462
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: Rubio and all the South Florida people like they support

463
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: all of that, right and so, and that's the other

464
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: thing about all of this. We talked about the mainstream

465
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: press drop in the ball here, but like the supposed

466
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: opposition party largely quiet. You got to you know, Mark Pocan,

467
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: you got Rocana, You've got a few lonely voices out there.

468
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: But you ask yourself, where is the where is the fury? Like,

469
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 2: where is them taking them to task over the Where

470
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: is them explaining to the American public what is going

471
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: on here and how they're being lied to and how

472
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: they're being snowed. And the reason they're so quiet is because.

473
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: A lot of them kind of sort of agree with.

474
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 2: It, They're okay with it, or they think, oh, this

475
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: is not the political place to fight or whatever, which

476
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 2: to me is insane. But there is a lot of support,

477
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: a lot of bipartisan support for this insane leftover Cold

478
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 2: War mentality and this fantasy belief that somehow, this time

479
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: the regime operation is going to be different.

480
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: Why can't we just say that opposing regime change in

481
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: Venezuela is not an endorsement of Nicholas Maduro. Why is

482
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: that so difficult. It's not like, yes, he's a bad guy.

483
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: There are bad people all over the world. We make

484
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: deals with them on an every day basis. He's willing

485
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: to sell us a shit pot of oil and gold.

486
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: It will take it. I was gonna say, if we

487
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: can live with a guy who literally slaughtered US soldiers

488
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: in Iraq, as in Syria because he's pro Israel, we

489
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: can live with anything. Same like, oh, he's stolen election.

490
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: They don't have elections in Saudi Arabia or in Qatar.

491
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: Guess what, we buy shit tons of LNG and oil.

492
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: It's not my problem. What in Turkey, Yes, Turkey Erdowan,

493
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's stolen multiple elections or whatever at this point. Yeah, well,

494
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: in Crilic Air Force Base is really important. We have

495
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons there, deal with it. Okay, we've had military

496
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: coups and military dictatorship there since the ninete seventies. Whatever. Okay,

497
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: this's just the point. The inconsistency around all of this

498
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: is so insane. And now it's about drugs, Like, no,

499
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: this is one hundred and fifty percent bipartisan regime change

500
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: usaid CIA. It will end in the same way that

501
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: it always does. You really think that Venezuelans are going

502
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: to accept this? You know, CIA funded woman who encourages

503
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: and wants the murder of her own countryman. How can

504
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: you possibly think that that is going to go over? Well,

505
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: you know, let me tell you a little story about Lula.

506
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: Lula not doing so well down in Brazil actually before

507
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: Trump came in. Then what happened. Trump slapped the shit

508
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: out of him with sanctions, and what Lula's more popular

509
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: than ever. Okay, he's more popular than ever.

510
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: Look at Canada.

511
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: A little story I heard about Colombia is that Petro

512
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: is desperate for Trump to sanction him because he wants

513
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: to get reelected. He's not actually doing so well down

514
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: in Columbia. Part of the reason he's been mouthing off

515
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: so much is he wants Trump to come in and

516
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: to sanction him because the populations around Latin America are

517
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: sick of this. They can see it, and they're watching

518
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: what's happening, you know. And that's final thing in terms

519
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: of the whole Monroe doctrine. I strongly believe in the

520
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: Monroe doctrine. But part of that is also that increasingly

521
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: engaging in the same bipartisan regime change throw ops over

522
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: and over again has dramatically undermined US security in Latin America.

523
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: It has mass encouraged violent, you know, migration other to

524
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: the United States cause of demographic and political crisis. Here.

525
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: Put that all together, it's like, how can you possibly

526
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: say that that's successful?

527
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: So can you talk Zagar a little bit about you

528
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: and Ryan's reporting with regard to the target bank, including

529
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: targets in Columbia and targets in Mexico as well, because

530
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: effectively what you and Ryme reported is, you know, since

531
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: they're using this whole pretext of drugs and there isn't

532
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: a lot of actual drug trafficking in Venezuela at all.

533
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: When they were when you.

534
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: Know, if people were tasked with coming with okay, we'll

535
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: find us on targets, they were like, there's no tile,

536
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: but we do have someone next to We asked some

537
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: in Colombia. So can you talk about that aspect of

538
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: what that means?

539
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah. This is a hilarious little side story as well,

540
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: is that Trump has recently found out there is no

541
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 1: fentanyl in Venezuela, and so even though he's apparently okay

542
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: with these strikes, what him actually, let's put this next

543
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: one please on the screen. This was about the US

544
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: pois to strike military targets in Venezuela and escalation. This

545
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: was a Miami Herald report. The administration denied it just

546
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: to be clear, but clearly Miami Herald they've got some

547
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: good sources down there in South Florida. The story is,

548
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: I understand it is that there was like a go

549
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 1: no go situation. It did eventually calm down over the weekend,

550
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: but in the next few days to a week you

551
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: can definitely watch. One of the reasons is that a

552
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: lot of those warships do eventually need to return to

553
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: port or where they came from, so they're on actually

554
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: a limited timeline for the amount of time they could

555
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: stay out there, absent some crazy circumstances if they want

556
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: to keep them there. But to your point about what

557
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: you were saying, the reason why Colombia and Mexico have

558
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: now increasingly been extended in the target list is there

559
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: is no fentanyl or cocaine that's really coming from Venezuela.

560
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: It's just not a lot that comes from there. It's

561
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: like six seven percent. This is from the deea's own

562
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five report. I tweeted it. You can go

563
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: read it for yourself if you want to. It's publicly available.

564
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: You just it's pretty hard to find the point that

565
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: you read from that document though, And the reason why

566
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: many of the real more recent strikes from the US

567
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: have shifted to the Pacific Ocean is those actually are

568
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: cocaine routes from Colombia to Mexico. Now, a lot of

569
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: the cocaine will come from Coca from Colombia to Mexico.

570
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: Mexico is where the fentanyl comes in. They use the

571
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: precursors from China and then the absolute vast majority of

572
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: it crosses the US Mexico border, not by sea. It

573
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: almost all comes by land. Now. In terms of the

574
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: strike packages that have been prepared, a lot of them.

575
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: The fact that you know, any cocaine which is moving

576
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: from Colombia to Venezuela is happening on that border, A

577
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: lot of it has nothing to do really with Maduro.

578
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: This is like some gorilla, you know, this is jungle

579
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's kind of hard to explain for

580
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people. But it's effectively like a lawless

581
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: no man's land down there. And that is where you know,

582
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: to the extent you can find a Venezuelan connection. It's

583
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: there on the border. And it's a lot more with

584
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: the Colombians. Now. Internally, what I'm told is that Mexico

585
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: and Colombia, even though they're the most legitimate strike targets

586
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: for the US, you would cause huge political problems. So,

587
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: as I just explained, Trump does not want to sanction Petro.

588
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: Why he doesn't want him to get reelected. He doesn't

589
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: want the leftist to win. If we strike Columbia, it's game.

590
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: It's going to be a socialist takeover down in Colombia.

591
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: Shinebamb is massively popular. She's actually playing ball right now.

592
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: If we strike Mexico, first of all, economic consequences could

593
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: be a disaster because of the NAFTA and the amount

594
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: of trade that we do down in Mexico. They could

595
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: cripple our economy if they wanted to. But two is

596
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: that it would solidify the Shine Bomber regime even more

597
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: than it already is and make the leftist parties even

598
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: more popular down in Mexico. So the administration is aware

599
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: of this to a certain extent. Brazil massively backfired on them.

600
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: They did not expect bolsonar dip, the Bolsonarisos to drip

601
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: dip in popularity, and for Lula's popularity to go up

602
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: as a result of the sanction. So I don't think

603
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: it's going to happen personally. I do think if anything

604
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: does happen, it'll be in Venezuela. But the Venezuelan regime

605
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: change thing, it's it's here. I mean, Trump is now

606
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: saying his days are numbered. He seems to believe all

607
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: of this. We potentially maybe have one or two more

608
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: off ramps, but I'm not feeling very good about it.

609
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: I think we have maybe fourteen days right now. Is

610
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: a very critical time. That's why we're spending a lot

611
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: of time on.

612
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: This right now.

613
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take a look at at A six. This

614
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: was an important report from the Washington Post about the

615
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: the legal justification. So the headline hear Trump administration tells

616
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: Congress war law does not apply to cartel strikes. So effectively,

617
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: they say the president needs lawmakers approval for sustained military

618
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: action under the nineteen seventy three War Powers Resolution, which

619
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: was passing the week the Vietnam War. A sixty day

620
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: clock started ticking after the administration informed Congress on September

621
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: fourth that it conducted a strike on an alleged drug

622
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: boat in the Caribbean two days earlier. It's followed that

623
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: with other strikes is killed dozens of people. That sixty

624
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: day window closes today, and until now it'd been unclear

625
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: what the administration would do. And so basically the administration

626
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: is saying, we don't have to follow that law, we

627
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: don't have to notify you, We don't classify this as

628
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: meeting the requirements under this War Powers Resolution. So they

629
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: continue to claim the ability to do all of these

630
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: like random extra judicial assassinations with no due process, indefinitely

631
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: without having to go to Congress whatsoever. Congress is probably

632
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: not all that US said about it because of the

633
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: reasons that we just were mentioning that, you know, they

634
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: don't like to have to make difficult decisions and have

635
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: their fingerprints on this. There is a more or less

636
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: bipartisan acceptance of the general thrust of hey, let's get

637
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: rid of Maduro, so they're probably not going to protest

638
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: too much. There are a couple other interesting notes in

639
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: this piece. I mean, number one, what the administration is

640
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: actually claiming here is something I've been saying for a while,

641
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: is that they can can assassinate any person that they

642
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: claim to be tied to the drug trade. Okay, that's

643
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: what they're claiming, and not just at sea like. What

644
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: they're asserting is that they can murder anyone they want

645
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: domestically here in the US with no due process, as

646
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: long as they say, oh, but they were related to

647
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: drug trafficking, they were related to a drug cartel, they

648
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: had were giving material.

649
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: Support to drug cartels.

650
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: That's their view of their legal abilities, which is insane. Also,

651
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: just a little nugget in here, there was supposed to

652
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: be a briefing where the military lawyers come in and

653
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: sort of like brief Congress on the legal rationale that

654
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: didn't happen, and originally Congress felt like, oh, they're just

655
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: stonewalling us, But the reality was that the legal experts

656
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: were not comfortable with the legality of it and didn't

657
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: want to have to go and do this briefing. So

658
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: to give you a sense of how much tumult there

659
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: is in terms of the like career officials and lawyers

660
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: who've been involved in this process, and of course we

661
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: saw one high you know, military commander who was pushed

662
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: down over his objection to some of these things as well. So,

663
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: I mean, what they're claiming here is absolutely insane, even

664
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: putting the Venezuela piece aside and focusing here domestically.

665
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely, You're absolutely right. Ryan had some stuff on that

666
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: as well, by the way, in the report. So look,

667
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: that's where things are as of right now. We really

668
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: don't know yet where things could go. It's still possible

669
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: we could reopen some talks with Maduro. I think it's

670
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 1: going to be very difficult. You can see it as

671
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: a massive pressure campaign, But every single day that this

672
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: goes on, it just gets more dangerous. Who knows what

673
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: kind of crazy black ops mercenary thing is going to

674
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: be happening inside Venezuela right now. I have no clue, Yeah, exactly.

675
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean on the Venezuelan side too. For ostensibly anybody

676
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: who cares about the opposition. As I've explained, you know

677
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: what Maduro says. Maduro is doing backflips when we do

678
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: the CIA announcement, because then anyone opposes him as who CIA.

679
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: This is what the Iranians did after the MOSAD targeted assassinations.

680
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: Any person and iran who spoke out against the regime.

681
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: Now they're massade and they literally just kill him. That's

682
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: what Manduro is doing is throw them all in jail.

683
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: He's going to kill him. This is the best gift

684
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: you've ever given for the regime. He's also coup proofing

685
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: himself increasingly. Most of the people around him at this

686
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: point have been so tested and you know, I mean

687
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: there's a recent story where he tried to buy off

688
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: his pilot to try and fly him to the United

689
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: States from the CIA, and the pilot was basically playing

690
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: them off, trying to get some cash. But he eventually

691
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: told Maduro they saved him. So he has a pretty

692
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: good cocoon around him to protect himself at this point,

693
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's going anywhere personally, So we'll see.

694
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the shutdown.

695
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: Trump disagrees with you, so we'll see how that got. Well.

696
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going anywhere voluntarily. Yeah, yeah, indeed

697
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: is he going to die? Very possible.

698
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the government remains shut down. You'll recall Republicans, we're

699
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: trying to deny everyone's snap benefits. As of now, the

700
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: November first EBT refill has not happened. I'll get to

701
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: more on that in a moment. But all all of

702
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: that is going going on. Trump was partying down at

703
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: mar A Lago. I can put these images up on

704
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: the screen, throwing a Great Gatsby themed Halloween party. The

705
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: title was a Little Party Never Killed Nobody. You can

706
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: see here's a lady scantily clad dancing in a rotating

707
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 2: champagne glass. Lots of scantily clad, sequin clad women and

708
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: opulence at this at this party. You know, you can

709
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: only imagine if any other president through a party like

710
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: this at any point, let alone at a time when

711
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: the economy is cratering and people are being denied basic

712
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: food benefits and the government remains shut down, so very

713
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: very gilded age I would say literally very gilded age feeling.

714
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: You can recall the images of people having these opulent

715
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 2: parties in people's noses pressed.

716
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: Down on the glass.

717
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: That is kind of the vibe that it's giving right here.

718
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: At the same time, Marjorie Taylor Green continues to be

719
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: outspoken against her own party and their failures with regard

720
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: to healthcare, specifically.

721
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: Here she was on Bill Maher's program.

722
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 11: Here's why I'm angry. The Democrats passed Obamacare, but yet

723
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 11: the Republicans have never done anything to correct the problems

724
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 11: that exist with it. And I blame my own party.

725
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 11: That's absolutely wrong, and I don't think it's an easy

726
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 11: thing to fix. However, it's something that we should have

727
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 11: a plan for. And Mike Johnson, for a month now

728
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 11: cannot give me a single policy idea, And I'm angry

729
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 11: about that.

730
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: Is this your understanding of what one recruitor is?

731
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: So, she says, Mike Johnson cannot give me a single

732
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: policy idea Right now. The shutdown appears to continue to

733
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: be at a full impast. There are no ongoing negotiations

734
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 2: that we are aware of. I think Democrats feel very

735
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: secure in their political position and Trump is feeling no

736
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: real pressure to cave here. He thinks that he can

737
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: continue to sort of like exact pain on Democrats via

738
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: the American public. And as we get into holiday season

739
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 2: and Thanksgiving travel and all of that, it's the level

740
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: of pain is only going to.

741
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: The theory I've heard is both parties want to keep

742
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: it shut down until Thanksgiving so that people have horrible

743
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: travel experiences and then they blame either side. That's basically

744
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: the gamble that's not currently happening. It's been basically a

745
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: month now since the government has been shut down. A

746
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: lot of people I mean, put the furloughed employees and

747
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: all of that aside. The point is is that at

748
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: a certain point for the TSA, you know, they're not

749
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: getting paid, a lot of them are showing up voluntarily,

750
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: and so how many of them are just going to

751
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: start calling out sick and they don't have to come

752
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: to work, and especially for Thanksgiving, their jobs so they

753
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: might have to get another job exactly. I mean, look,

754
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: I don't particularly blame anybody pay for a month, you

755
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: know not, why would you necessarily have to work. But

756
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: the point is, if you were one of those people,

757
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: you would also maybe strategically want to call out sick,

758
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: especially if you're air traffic controllers and others whenever it

759
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: comes to the shutdown, because you have air traffic control TSA,

760
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: a lot of other employees, but you're being required to work,

761
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of contingency funds for example, you

762
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: know the paying the troops. Then you have that donor,

763
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: the billionaire mega donor who paid the which, by the way,

764
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: it's still insane completely. That's like some literally Gilded Age

765
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: thing from JP Morgan back in the early nineteen hundred.

766
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: It's not joking. You can look it up that incident

767
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: if you're interested. But the point actually just remains around

768
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: the shutdown itself is, Look, I think it's crazy because

769
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: it's such an impactful story, especially maybe more of a

770
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Washington bias, because I know so many people who have

771
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: been furloughed, But it still doesn't feel like the number

772
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: one story yet in the country. And I really wonder

773
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: if so many people now have given up at all

774
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: in the government and just don't care. They just kind

775
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: of move on with their life like a number one

776
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: story in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, everywhere else.

777
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: None of it down. Literally just checked this morning. A

778
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: month into the last government shutdown, which lasted only thirty

779
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: five days. The amount of pressure on the Trump administration

780
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: was unbelievable, which is part of why Trump caved so

781
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: quickly initially in that one. And so I really have

782
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: no idea where this will go. Both feel pretty comfortable

783
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: in where they are right now.

784
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: So let me give an update on the SNAP benefits,

785
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: because we covered this extensively last week. Republicans decided they

786
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: were going to cut off SNAP funds, which would.

787
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: Run out at the end of the month.

788
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: Now, previously they had indicated there was an emergency fund

789
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: to allow those things, those benefits to continue. Forty two

790
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: million Americans are, you know, beneficiaries of SNAP funds, disproportionately

791
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: families with children, so obviously really critical program for people.

792
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: So there was a lawsuit and you had two federal

793
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 2: judges on Friday say that the Trump administration must tap

794
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: into contingency funds I'm reading from a CBS News report

795
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: to make payments for SNAP during the government shutdown. Ruling

796
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 2: against the government. A pair of suits over the imminent

797
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: benefits laps and they mentioned as well, roughly forty two

798
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: million Americans rely on Snap to help buy food. In

799
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: a case that was brought by a coalition of states

800
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: and federal court in Massachusetts, Judge and Dera Talwani ruled

801
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: that the government is required by law to tap into

802
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: the emergency money to make at least partial payments, and

803
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: gave the administration until Monday to tell the court whether

804
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: it planned to do so. In a separate decision in

805
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: Rhode Island, Judge John McConnell Junior grant a request for

806
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: a temporary restraining order from a group of municipalities and

807
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: nonprofits that sued to block the inminent funding freeze. The

808
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: ruling was made from the bench and entry on the

809
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: case dockets had the court orders the USDA to distribute

810
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: contingency funds and report back to the court again by

811
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: noon today. So two courts that are saying, no, you

812
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: have to tap these emergency funds, you have to continue

813
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 2: paying out benefits. So far those funds have not come through.

814
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: They're still frozen. Big question mark over what is exactly

815
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: going to happen, Whether there's going to be an appeal,

816
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: et cetera, whether it's going to be a full or

817
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: a partial payment. How long it will take to effectuate

818
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: those payments, all of that is incredibly unclear, and so

819
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: in the meantime, you know, snap benefits, especially with how

820
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: costly groceries are at this point, they don't usually make it.

821
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: It's not usually nearly sufficient to actually make it to

822
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: the end of the month, So people are really waiting

823
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: for that first of the month to be able to

824
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: replenish their groceries supplies, and everyday delay is really painful

825
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: for a lot of people.

826
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: I'm sure we're going.

827
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: To be seeing images of the food banks as we

828
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: already have with you know, lines around the block, both

829
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 2: from food stamp beneficiaries who have now been cut off

830
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: also from furloughed workers have no idea when they're going

831
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: to be able to be getting their next paycheck. And

832
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: there are some indications that this is starting to hit

833
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: Trump's approval rating. We can put before up on the screen.

834
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: This again speaks to the political dynamics and why Democrats

835
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 2: feel they're on somewhat solid ground here. So his approval

836
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: rating is forty three percent, disapproved fifty five percent. But

837
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 2: even more significant, in this NBC News poll, they tested

838
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: the generic ballot for the midterm elections. You know, okay,

839
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: republic are you going to vote for Republican for Congress

840
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: or a Democrat for Congress? And they found the Democrats

841
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: leading on the generic ballot by eight points. Now that

842
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: is the largest generic ballot advantage that NBC News has

843
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: found four Democrats in years. It comes at a time also, interestingly,

844
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: where the Democratic Party approval rating is still complete and

845
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: total garbage. It's actually lower than the Republican Party approval rating.

846
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: Part of that is because you have so many Democrats

847
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: who are disgusted with the Democratic Party but are still

848
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: going to vote for them over the Republicans.

849
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 3: So it's not like Democrats are.

850
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: Like making the most of the situation and really providing

851
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, a glowing optimistic path forward for the country.

852
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: But you do start to see some real fallout from

853
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: Republican you know, single control leadership in the House, in

854
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: the Senate, and the presidency. I think the awareness of

855
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: the shutdown, the way the shutdown is starting to hit

856
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: a lot of families across the country, and a variety

857
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: of other issues that people have with this administration as

858
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: well as well, is beginning to take its toll and

859
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: just for perspective, look caveats, polls, other polls shit different, blah.

860
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah.

861
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: An eight point popular vote win in the House, that's

862
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: a landslide, that's like bigger than the margin. And you know,

863
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: twenty ten, two thousand and eight, the years we think

864
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: of huge wave of elections, eight points would be you know,

865
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: among the largest popular vote victories for either party, you know,

866
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: in recent years. So all of the like Republican jerrymandering

867
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: stuff that they would do is kind of moot if

868
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: you have that large of a victory for it.

869
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: That's one of the warnings I've given is, you know

870
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: a lot of these jerrymandering in Texas are like fifty

871
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: two forty eight seats, and I'm like, yeah, well, considering

872
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: a Democratic on the dice for me, I'm like, look, Texas,

873
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: the Texas I know, which is dramatically changed demographically with

874
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: all of these Californians urbanization and the education gap in

875
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: addition to some of the price increase, who are drawing

876
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: in some more educated liberals. I wouldn't be so comfortable

877
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: of fifty two forty eight if I were you Texans,

878
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: especially from what I've seen in terms of the voter data.

879
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: But you do you I guess you know you can.

880
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: You can try and go for it again. I don't

881
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: know where things will go because at the same time

882
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: the frustration may be building, how much of it is

883
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: shut down based. You know, it's one of those where

884
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: it seems to me a lot more people who are

885
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: set with Trump have reasons to do so, they have

886
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: a lot more to do outside of the shutdown. Part

887
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: of the reasons why the Republicans themselves, they feel pretty

888
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: comfortable right now, Like I'm not seeing a lot of

889
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: discomfort in the overall GOP ranks to the extent that

890
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: there is, it's from Marjorie and others. But that's not

891
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: really about the shutdown. That's about healthcare, right, That's not

892
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: about snap or anything. It's really about healthcare premiums. By

893
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: the way, I can report, did check my Obamacare premium.

894
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: It'll be up seventeen percent this year, so it'll be

895
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: about twelve thousand dollars fifteen thousand dollars deductible. So thank

896
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: you President Obama, thank you President Trump and all of

897
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: the interim political leaders.

898
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 3: Everyone being serious.

899
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: If I didn't have a kid, I'm rolling the dice.

900
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna pay cash and just hope I

901
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: don't get hit by a bus. There's only one reason

902
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: that I'll ever literally sign up for usury. You're twenty

903
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: five grand in the hole before you even get to anything.

904
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: It's not like we've worked open here. What a great time,

905
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: what a.

906
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: Great lowest level the bronze, Oh me too, trust that?

907
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: All right, this is literally I'm doing this same thing.

908
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: That's why not deductible is so high. That's even more

909
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: if I had a high premium. I don't know, man,

910
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: I just have no idea how this is possible. Were

911
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: you do we do the show together where we put

912
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: up that guy who was a solo preneur father of

913
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: for forty two thousand dollars with a ten thousand dollars

914
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: deductible fifty thousand bucks. If you ever, you know, get

915
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: into a serious crisis, what's the point at that point?

916
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 6: Yeah?

917
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: Seriously, Well, and this is where you know, I mean

918
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: Democrats have there was not really a healthcare conversation that

919
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 2: was going on all It was completely absent effectively from

920
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four election, and so they did with

921
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: the shutdown. I mean, the reason Marjorie is talking about

922
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: healthcare is because of the shutdown? Yeah, because of the

923
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: conversation that they forced on it. So, I mean, you know,

924
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: I got my issues with their strategy whatever, but they

925
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: did accomplish kind of shifting the conversation in that direction. Now,

926
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: that may have happened organically because of the way people

927
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: are getting hit with these premium price hikes, but they

928
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: certainly helped to sort of focus the national media on that,

929
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: let's go and put the next numbers up on this.

930
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: I think you're right Sagur that you know.

931
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: I also I am not sure that a lot of

932
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: the deterioration in the Republican position is really related to

933
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: the shutdown in a lot of ways. That's a bigger

934
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: problem for them, though, because it was just about the shutdown.

935
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 2: Then they open the government backup and everybody kind of

936
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: forgets about the shutdown.

937
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: I think the problems do actually go deeper than that.

938
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: But here you can see they asked this question, has

939
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: the Trump administration lived up to your expectations or has

940
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: it fallen short?

941
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 3: On these issues?

942
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: The place where they're doing the best is still border

943
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: security and immigration fifty one percent, So a majority say

944
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: that Trump has lived up to his promises there forty

945
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: four percent say fallen short on foreign policy, you've got

946
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: him underwater forty four fifty three changing business as usual

947
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: in Washington. This is kind of actually a low key

948
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: devastating number for Trump because that's kind of his whole brand,

949
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: is like doing things different, upending the status quote, et cetera.

950
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: And you have only forty percent saying that he lived

951
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: up to the expectation to change business as usual, a

952
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: strong majority fifty six percent saying that he's fallen short.

953
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: But his members on the economy are the worst. Only

954
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 2: thirty four percent feel he's lived up to his expectations

955
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: on the economy, only thirty three percent on looking out

956
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: for the middle class, and only thirty percent on inflation

957
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: and the cost of living, which was essential an issue

958
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: in this last election as absolutely anything, so taking on

959
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 2: more and more water. With regards to the economy, of course,

960
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: we've been covering here the AI in part spurred layoffs

961
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: which are accelerating, you know, very little job creation.

962
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 3: Yes, the stock market continues.

963
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: To soar basically on the back of AI and data

964
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: center buillouns. And that's effectively it so not something that

965
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: a lot of Americans are benefiting from in a real

966
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: and tangible way in their day to day. Prices are

967
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: still very high, healthcare prices are accelerating and just becoming wildly,

968
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 2: wildly unaffordable, and people really feeling the pinch at this point.

969
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: As you know, Trump is there doing his co great

970
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 2: gaspy thing. Not a great image. That's that in the ballroom.

971
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: Not great images for him.

972
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I just wonder how much of the

973
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: stuff even penetrates at this point, you know, Trump is

974
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: he just he's like in a different universe.

975
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: Like if anything penetrates, it's the economic stuff.

976
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but I mean the Gatsby thing or

977
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: the ballroom. I mean, I know the ballroom is like

978
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: a meme. I actually it's of course, you know, some

979
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: dumb ass segment about the ballroom gets like two hundred

980
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: thousand views and becomes the thing that people ask me

981
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: about in public.

982
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: That did kind of go up.

983
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's the stupid shit is the

984
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: stuff that penetrates. But you know, I'm always like about

985
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: how much of this is just like a funny meme.

986
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: Is this something that actually is going to head home?

987
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: Like what I don't know. You know, I do this

988
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: for a living and I still have never been able

989
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: to figure out like what actually gets people to bow. Yeah.

990
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: Well, here's what I would say is, you know, his

991
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: brand is a few things, right. The appealing part of

992
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: his brand was like he's a businessman, he's going to

993
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: make the economy good, and he's going to be you know,

994
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: and he's pro working class, right, He's going to be

995
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: fighting for the working class, and he's going to upend businesses.

996
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: Usually is going to be this running gate outsider, overturn

997
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: the system, etc. And I think Epstein was a devastating

998
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: blow on the upending the status quo thing. I think certainly,

999
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: you know, people are disgusted with his handling of the

1000
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: economy from the tariffs and just you know, there's been

1001
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: no addressing of their inflation issues. Feels very chaotic, layoffs accelerating, etc.

1002
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 2: So you have, you know, the businessman thing not working out,

1003
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: and then like the gasby stuff and the constant surrounding

1004
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: yourself with these oligarchs and catering to them, and you know,

1005
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: the East Wing and the parties.

1006
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 3: And all of that.

1007
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: You know, visual grammar of luxury and opulence I think

1008
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: that gets to this, you know, oh, is he going

1009
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: to fight for the working class? And now at this

1010
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 2: point you just look like a fool if you really,

1011
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 2: you know, continue to believe that that's where his heart

1012
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: and soul is.

1013
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I still wonder how much of it

1014
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: was economic. I really just don't know. It was a

1015
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: very strange election, so much of it was economic. But

1016
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: then remember we had the culture war mid term election

1017
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: of two thousand. In twenty two, Democrats sweep in despite

1018
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: crippling inflation in the mid not sweep in, but they

1019
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: did dramatically better based on the issue of abortion. Still,

1020
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: I kind of think immigration might actually have been more

1021
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: number one than anything else. Obviously not a vacuum outside

1022
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: of the economy. I also think Biden's age was the

1023
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: huge superseding thing on top of the Kamala's Kamala's inability

1024
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: to speak right now. It's literally like you put all

1025
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: that stuff together. That's why there's no grand kind of

1026
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: thing that comes out of it. And they are disparate

1027
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: coalitions for various reasons. That's supportive.

1028
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 3: Have you seen his numbers with you with young people?

1029
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's what I mean. I and look,

1030
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: if anything, that's probably the people I care about the most.

1031
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: Just not about the Republicans. I don't care about that.

1032
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: It's just in terms of like who literally the future

1033
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: of the country is and for them, like it's pretty

1034
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: obvious that nihilism. I'll say from this for our last block,

1035
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: but a huge reason why politics are the way they

1036
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: are right now is because of a pervading sense of

1037
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: crippling nihilism, because of the basic fact that you will

1038
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: not do better than your parents today unless you are

1039
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: extremely lucky or if your parents give you some of

1040
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: their money. That is a gerontocracy. That is a system

1041
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: of aristocracy, of the bourgeoisie of the early you know,

1042
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: Gilded Age period in the United States and of the

1043
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: House of Lords period in the UK. Literally the opposite

1044
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: of what we were all supposed to be, and that's

1045
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: basically what we've become again. So of course you're going

1046
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: to have violent politics basically rise up, and you shouldn't

1047
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: be so surprised the people You can always you can

1048
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: do two things in moments like this. You can blame

1049
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: the voters for being bad, for being naughty, or you

1050
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: can blame the leaders who are architect of that system,

1051
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna choose the latter.

1052
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 3: Can we do both?

1053
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: Huh No, we can't. Think we can blame the voters.

1054
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: Think we can.

1055
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: I think we can.

1056
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes personal agency, people have responsibility for their

1057
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: own views.

1058
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: You know.

1059
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: I hold the voters often in a form of like

1060
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: it's not hatred, but I'm just like, what are you

1061
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: people doing? Like it's it's like a scorn. This is

1062
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: a very elitist mentality, and I don't put that on

1063
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: this woord. Sometimes it's like, bro, what are you doing?

1064
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 1: It's almost like the what's the matter with Kansas book?

1065
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: You know, you see people somebody recently who frankly like

1066
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: doesn't make that much money, was complaining to me about

1067
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: the estate tax, and I was like, do you even

1068
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: know what the estate tax is? It's like twenty eight

1069
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: million dollars. I'm like, you're never going to get there.

1070
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up. See It's like, but that's I'm like,

1071
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't know where that comes from.

1072
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: I guess I have evolved on this issue I would

1073
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: have previously. It's at one hundred percent, you can't blame

1074
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: the voters. You got to look at the elites.

1075
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 3: But you know, what you got it.

1076
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 2: First of the most important thing is to blame the elites,

1077
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: figure out what went wrong, trying to fix the system.

1078
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: But you know what, at this point, I've lost some

1079
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: paid I'm done coddling some of these people, like you know,

1080
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 2: you like figure out what's going on. You're getting lied

1081
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: to multiple times, you're just accepting it. I mean, going

1082
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: back to the Venezuela drug boats say like you're just

1083
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 2: accepting these stupid low Maduro's hamas. I'm sorry, I'm done

1084
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: coddling these people. At a certain point, I'm feeling more

1085
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: like you you got to take some personal responsibility for yourself.

1086
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: I feel look, I agree, personal respons I guess I'm

1087
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: more talking about politicals. So well, you and I are

1088
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: commentators and we have the luxury like I can just

1089
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: openly be like boomers. I think you should be kicked

1090
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: out of your houses for the property tax. I'm gonna

1091
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: say it all right, nobody will ever get elected. I

1092
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: think property taxes should go higher on you. And yes,

1093
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: if you live in a four bedroom house, sorry you

1094
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 1: gotta go, and somebody younger should be able to live there.

1095
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: You'll never get elected based on that message. So when

1096
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: I say stuff like this. It's more of like how

1097
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: I think politically it should be. But yeah, no, you're

1098
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: right personally. Yeah, I mean sometimes, you know, you look

1099
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: at some of the choices that individual voting blocks bake

1100
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: in America and you're just like, what are we doing?

1101
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: It's like, is this an IQ problem? Probably, yeah, that's

1102
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: the problem.

1103
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: I give whatever.

1104
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 2: And well, I just wanted to say because I mentioned

1105
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 2: the the young people numbers with Trump, and I think

1106
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 2: this is the place where you can say most clearly

1107
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: the economy is the problem.

1108
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: I agree.

1109
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: And he now has an approval rating of twenty percent

1110
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: among voters under thirty according to you gov, twenty percent.

1111
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: Disapproval is seventy five percent. That is an increase in

1112
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: disapproval of thirty eight points since February, and in a

1113
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: decline in approval rating of twenty two points again since February.

1114
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: So used to be, you know, it was.

1115
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: Relatively even between approve and disapprove. Now you only have

1116
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: twenty percent of young voters and who say they approve

1117
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. And so, you know, there was a

1118
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 2: lot of talk, and understandably so, we did some of

1119
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 2: it here as well, about the way young voters were

1120
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: shifting right whatever like that. I think there's a called

1121
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: for a total reassessment of how voters, young voters are

1122
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: thinking about the political landscape at this point. Sure, all right,

1123
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: let's get to this very dystopian segment.

1124
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 3: Frankly, so, there were a bunch.

1125
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: Of videos that went viral that purported to show black

1126
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: women who are moms doing the whole like the most

1127
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: caricaturish welfare queen stick you can possibly imagine. All of

1128
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: them turn out to be AI AI generated, total bullshit,

1129
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: made up, invented out of whole cloth. The number of

1130
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: conservative influencers and outlets that sell for this crap should

1131
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: make you despair for society period. So here is Brett Cooper,

1132
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: who's very you know, has a large channel, very.

1133
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 3: Popular, et cetera. Here is Brett Cooper falling for one

1134
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: of these AI videos. There are bad actors who have

1135
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: abused the system time and time again, and now that

1136
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: benefits might be cut off next month, they are lashing

1137
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: out to say the least, just watch. It's in day

1138
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: five and I have not received.

1139
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 9: No food stamps, My disability checks is on hold, my.

1140
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 3: Cash benefits is not coming no more. They're still penning.

1141
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: I it is the.

1142
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 4: Taxpayer's job to pay for my kc eat it.

1143
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 3: For my cants be taken care of.

1144
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 11: I have over two thousand followers on ticktock and I

1145
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 11: can't get out one person is seventy fifty cents.

1146
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: It's no watching video.

1147
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: And you can't send me nothing.

1148
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 6: I'm blocking you.

1149
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: Now, let me say, in fairness to Brad, if you

1150
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 2: guys are just listening to this looking at the video.

1151
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was like to me, it looked

1152
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: hard to tell me, it looked absolutely Maybe I'm you know,

1153
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: reaching boomer levels of my inability to parse AI, but

1154
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: like that's pretty much what's it? What's it called? Like

1155
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: the realistic standard? I forget that on County Valley, that's

1156
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: outside the on Counting Valley. To me, I mean it

1157
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: looks it looks one hundred percent from what I could tell.

1158
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: And that's not to excuse Bracco, because we should you guys,

1159
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 2: and we do it here fully try, because we realized

1160
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: at this point we can be fooled. In fact, there

1161
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: was an element we didn't throw to in the segment

1162
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: before because we weren't one hundred percent sure that it

1163
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: was real. So you know, you have a responsibility to

1164
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 2: check these things out. And what I will say too,

1165
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 2: just is like a user guide. Especially if something is

1166
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: just tailor made to fit one political your particular political perspective,

1167
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 2: and it feels a little too much on the nose,

1168
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 2: those are the ones you need to be the most

1169
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: suspicious of. In any case, it wasn't just that one video.

1170
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: Apparently this one account created a bunch of these, just

1171
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: like racist AI welfare queen slop videos. Here's a TikTok

1172
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: breaking down this one creator and what they're up to.

1173
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 12: This is AI. Here's how we know and why it matters.

1174
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 12: It's made by Impossible Underscore ASMR one who after eight

1175
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 12: failed slot posts and a three month break, decided that

1176
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 12: Sora could finally make their dream content videos of black

1177
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 12: women trying to use EBT in places it's not accepted.

1178
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 12: True creativity unleashed by AI. The shutdown created an opportunity

1179
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 12: to have them yell at the camera. But it's not

1180
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 12: till the whole family's back there that the full racist

1181
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 12: stereotype is fulfilled. This is rage bait, and we'll get

1182
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 12: angry commenters who, when they learn it's AI, will say, oh,

1183
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 12: but it's true anyway. Which of course it's not, and

1184
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 12: that's cope for being played. They were so played they

1185
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 12: didn't notice the kid missing half an arm while the

1186
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 12: other kids are frozen in place for no reason, and

1187
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 12: these down here are warping together. They were too focused

1188
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 12: on this fake AI person cramming in a scripts that

1189
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 12: they used three other times for their other fake AI people.

1190
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 12: I will gladly knock down AI rage bait of all

1191
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 12: kinds and from anywhere on a spectrum, because it's part

1192
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 12: of the same problem, casually letting our feed slip into

1193
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 12: fake parallel AI universes that exist only to divide up.

1194
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: All right, So it's not just random online influencers, however,

1195
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: who were tricked by this stuff. It was also Fox

1196
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: News ago, but b eight guys up on the screen

1197
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: that shows you even new and the old headline and

1198
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: this is so this is so sleazy too. So the

1199
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: first headline is snap beneficiaries threatened to ransack stores over

1200
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: government shutdown. One mother claims taxpayers must feed her children

1201
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: as not benefits face cuts. That's the video that Brett

1202
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: Cooper played. They wrote this up as a genuine story,

1203
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 2: like look at these women and what they're saying. Oh,

1204
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: my god, I mean, total classic throwback Ronald Reagan era politics. Right,

1205
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: let's use a few bad examples to like, you know,

1206
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: smear everyone who benefits from this whole program, an effort

1207
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: to cut the program. That's what they were going for here.

1208
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: Then they find out, oops, all those videos were AI,

1209
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: and so they totally rewrite the article, same lady here,

1210
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: same byline, and reframed it as oh AI videos of

1211
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 2: Snap beneficiaries complaining about cuts go viral and put B

1212
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: seven now up on the screen. So this is the

1213
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: new way that they rewrote it. They rewrote the whole

1214
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: article to be like, oh, we totally knew that it

1215
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: was AI. Don't worry, you know, we totally get it.

1216
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: It's just this phenomenon of AI videos. The only disclosure

1217
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: they gave was this tiny editor's note at the bottom

1218
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: that said, this article previously reported on some videos that

1219
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: appear to have been generated by AI, without noting that

1220
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: this has been corrected. Like that is so incredibly sleazy

1221
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: that they got tricked by the AI videos were a

1222
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: whole like welfare queen scare, scary article and then had

1223
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: to rewrite it once.

1224
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 3: They got caught and realized it was AI.

1225
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: And they only put that little editor note at the bottom,

1226
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: like absolutely disturbing, and you know, this is this is

1227
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: the landscape we existed. Now this isn't coming like this

1228
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: is here. And I think Sora has been probably a

1229
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 2: jump forward in the level of accessibility of high like

1230
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: pretty convincing AI creation that can now just be fed

1231
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: into your political feed. You've already got campaigns like Andrew

1232
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: Cuomo's campaign put together AI attack videos against Zoron and

1233
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: Curtis Leewa in the final days of the campaign, Trump

1234
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: of course is using all sorts of AI stuff. And

1235
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: the other thing that I've noticed soccer too is like

1236
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: some of the videos, even the ones that are completely.

1237
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 3: Obviously AI, people will still be fooled by it.

1238
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm looking at it right now. I just

1239
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: open Sora just to see I haven't actually checked beforehand.

1240
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at some of this stuff,

1241
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: I mean it looks real, right, it does look real. Yeah,

1242
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: we could put some of these in here. I think

1243
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: that might literally be some. But this is the genre

1244
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: of like what.

1245
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: Mac was saying that, I'm sure you guys probably we

1246
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: all get served all these like adorable animal videos and

1247
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 2: I get lots of cat videos and whatever, and he

1248
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: was saying that in these TikTok compilations that he'll get served,

1249
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: some of them will be real and some of them

1250
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: will be AI, and so it's all mixed in together

1251
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: and it becomes impossible to tell reality from complete fiction.

1252
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: And so now we're at a point where, you know,

1253
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: I mean not the Fox News has the highest of

1254
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: standards here, but they have a massive audience, they're incredibly influential,

1255
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: continue to be in the conservative space, and they're just

1256
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: getting wholesales taken in by some garbage AI videos that

1257
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: probably took like ten minutes degree.

1258
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: You see this happening a million times, right, look at anybody,

1259
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: And this is part of the problem with confirmation bias

1260
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: and probably why it's so important, you know, to hear

1261
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: from here, like if you're left right, whatever, it's if

1262
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: it's too good to be true, it almost certainly is

1263
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: now at this point. This is a problem on Twitter,

1264
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: by the way, with their verification policy, where anybody can

1265
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: just buy a blue check that there is literal fake

1266
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: news bs that purv aids all of Twitter, and apparently

1267
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: a huge number of these accounts are from a Bromo

1268
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: because the payouts, I guess they're like meaningful enough for

1269
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: them on there's a side note. Anybody who spends their

1270
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: life trolling for Twitter payouts, you are a stone cold loser.

1271
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: The amount of money that I have made off Twitter

1272
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: in the last year would not be enough to turn

1273
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: the lights on in this studio for like three days,

1274
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: like just so you're all aware of.

1275
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 3: But then you have a big account, it's like five.

1276
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: And it's like a couple hundred thousand followers at sure, yeah,

1277
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: but it's not like you know, I'm not only have

1278
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: millions of followers or whatever. But the point is is

1279
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: I literally went to go look, it's like less in

1280
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: a month than what you would make in YouTube from

1281
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: a day. So anybody out there, you're wasting your time.

1282
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: You should just spend your time on YouTube like wherever

1283
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: I'll podcasts. That's a much higher ROI platform. But the

1284
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: point is around this is with AI, if it's limitless

1285
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: in terms of the friction to create these types of

1286
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: videos and to get the amount of views whatever, then

1287
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: that money starts to add up in the aggregate. And

1288
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: if if you have an entire farm, let's say in

1289
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: bungaledaesh or China or wherever where these types of dollars

1290
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: can go a much farther way, then yeah, it might

1291
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: actually be worth it for them. But yeah, just please,

1292
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: like for real, everybody out there, if it seems too

1293
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: good to be true, you have got to make sure.

1294
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: And this happens with everything, I mean on the Israel conflict, right,

1295
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, remember these raeliers were Allay was like, oh,

1296
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: that's a Pallwood fake video. Right. I mean it's hard, right,

1297
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: we're here, we're thousands of miles away. We're trying to

1298
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: suss out what's real and what's not. You have no idea,

1299
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, me chasing this whole Venezuela thing

1300
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: you have, I mean the amount of bullshit which is

1301
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: out there and trying to get to the soores, it

1302
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: is not easy right now. And people will lie and

1303
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: they'll use AI like you said, they're currently there's a

1304
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: lot of that in Latin America right because there's a

1305
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: huge amount of like shorts usage down there. There's tons

1306
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: of slop in terms for propaganda purposes. So everyone just

1307
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: be careful.

1308
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 3: Everybody knows we are not ready for this. Everybody knows that.

1309
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: Then you can't talk to find a single person who's like, oh, yeah,

1310
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 2: we'll be able to handle this. Well, like, look at

1311
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 2: how fucked up the political landscap already is. We can't

1312
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 2: handle this. This is insane. I've got one more piece

1313
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: for you. This is B nine that this AI, this

1314
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: Clanker are quote unquote artists. We got to come up

1315
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: with another word, because if you're AI, you cannot be

1316
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: an artist. But in any case, we have the first

1317
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: AI song making an appearance on Billboard's radio chart. Zania

1318
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 2: Monet debuts on the Adult R and B Airplay chart

1319
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: with how was I supposed to Know?

1320
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,919
Speaker 3: We listened to it this morning. It's you know, it's fine,

1321
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 3: it's fine.

1322
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: It's not my it's not my personal favorite, but it's

1323
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: pretty good. If you told me it was, there's no

1324
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: way I would not.

1325
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 3: I just would Like.

1326
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 2: I actually am pretty attached to humanity, you know.

1327
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 3: I like the idea of art.

1328
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 2: Having human sentiment and emotion behind it, and you know,

1329
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 2: connecting to some real experience, not some amalgamation of like,

1330
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: you know, farmed experiences from the Internet that no robot

1331
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: could ever truly understand or relate to.

1332
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 3: So I find it disturbing.

1333
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been making people. I've been on a big

1334
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: like post Ai apocalyptic movie Kick and Elisium Elysium hits

1335
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: it did. It was not that well received at the time,

1336
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: but I increasingly think it's one of the most accurate

1337
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: films made. It's one of It's a Matt Damon film

1338
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: from back in the day. Again, not very well critically reviewed,

1339
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: but I just watched it the other day. I think

1340
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: that's where things are trying to