1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Remember back in the day when Wiki leaks was in 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: the news all the time, Julian Assange was being asked 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: about stuff. Uh, he wasn't just being you know, bundled 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: from one embassy to another prison and the next. Uh. 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Wiki leaks caught a lot of heat and it remains 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: pretty controversial depending on who you asked today. In today's 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: classic episode from we looked at a a strange event, 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: a strange incident that occurred when wiki leaks released a 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: bundle of internal emails from the Democratic National Committee. And 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: you can really just look at these emails as the 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: birth of Q and on. Really interestingly enough, it's weird 12 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: how that, how that happens? Um, I don't know what 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: to say about this one guy's the the whole Russian 14 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 1: hacker angle that exists in this episode. And then if 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: you just kind of follow the trail of history from 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: this moment back in about what mid onwards, it gets weird. So, 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm really interested to listen to this one again. 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is 19 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 20 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome 21 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name 22 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: is Noel. Oh gosh, guys, Ben, Yeah, it's me. Uh, 23 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Matt and Noel, and even those of 24 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: you and the listening audience who are perhaps not gentlefolk. 25 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: Even even the rough and the rapscallions. This is stuff 26 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. This is an episode 27 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: where we're doing something we don't always do, by which 28 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean we are talking about an event that is 29 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: going on currently, not an historical thing, not um, not 30 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: a hypothetical thing. We're talking about something topical, which means 31 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: that we need to put out some disclaimers. So uh, 32 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: maybe we could all we could all say disclaimer together 33 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: three times to make sure that it's it's palpable for people. 34 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: I think we should just do an oath. Should put 35 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: our hands in and do an oath. What just say 36 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: the thing alight? Okay, very well. So this is going 37 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: to be an episode that touches on wiki leaks, that 38 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: touches on politics. In this episode, we are providing facts 39 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: and objective information, which means that if there are partisans 40 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: on one side of the political divide or the other, 41 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: they may not like the facts However, facts like numbers 42 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: do not have opinions, they have no affiliation, they have 43 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: very little affiliation. And also, perhaps even more importantly, some 44 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: of the information that we were exploring today may change 45 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: as more stuff comes to light or is available. So, 46 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: like many of you, we've spent the last two weeks 47 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: browsing through the internet watching live feeds about the conventions 48 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: that are occurring in the United States. Maybe you don't 49 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: live here, maybe you aren't watching, or maybe you don't 50 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: live here and you are watching because you're interested in 51 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: what the most powerful uh country in the world. In quotes, 52 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: they're doing quotation fingers. You'll just you don't just give 53 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: you a visual aid. Well, yeah, it's it is interesting 54 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: to see where it's going, right, And you may have 55 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 1: seen some stuff in the news, especially about an organization 56 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: called Wickie Weeks. Right, So, as we're recording this, uh, 57 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: this podcast should be coming to you on the twenty 58 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: nine of July. And at this point, the US presidential 59 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: election seems set on a contest between two people would 60 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: be the campaign of Donald Trump and the campaign of 61 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. In the course of this campaign season, UH, 62 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: several strange things emerged. Both of these figures have had controversies, 63 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: to say the least in the past, right. And one 64 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: of the things that's different about this election, about recent 65 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: elections around the world end here in the US is 66 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: the emergence of online whistle blowing. And it's the old 67 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: question we've asked before. Are there more skeletons in closets 68 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: now or is it just easier to open the closet. 69 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: There's more light to be shined in theirs. There may 70 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: be bigger closets to Yeah, there may be walkins. If 71 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: you were listening to this show, of course you have 72 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: heard of wiki leaks. But if somehow you have not, 73 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: here is a brief recap. Wiki Leaks is a nonprofit 74 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: organization that's dedicated to publishing anonymous news leaks, including you know, 75 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: correspondence between governments or government departments, uh, stuff from banks, 76 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: corporate memosh. This was first instituted in two thousand six 77 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: in Iceland, at least that's when the website came out 78 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: via an organization known as Sunshine Press. By two thousand 79 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: and seven, Wiki leaks claimed to have amassed millions, well 80 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: one point two million different documents. Most people associate wiki 81 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: leaks with a guy named Julian Assange. Julian Assange is 82 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: an Australian national but for the past few years he's 83 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: been trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy in London. Four years. Yeah, 84 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: because of allegations of sexual misconduct. Yes, because of allegations 85 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: of sexual misconduct, and those allegations came in Sweden. But 86 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: he is adamant that if he leaves the embassy and 87 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: goes to Sweden, he will be extradited to the United States. 88 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: And we're talking physically walks out the front door, right 89 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: and uh, London has spent a lot of money watching 90 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: that front door and probably the side doors and the 91 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: back doors in the basements. So he is one of 92 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: the only people that are publicly known to be a 93 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: member of wiki leaks. He is the founder, editor in 94 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: chief and director. But there are some other names there, 95 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: Sarah Harrison, Joseph Farrell and Christina Craft's son. Yes, and 96 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: there are there are several I mean, no one knows 97 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: exactly how many people are in wiki leaks, or you know, 98 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: would call themselves members of wiki leaks who are doing 99 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: the operations, right. I mean, let's face it, wiki leaker 100 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: is a weird thing to call oneself for sure, But 101 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: the things that they do require lots of hands, lots 102 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: of eyes, right, yeah, massive amounts of information, and they're legit. 103 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: They've done things in the past that, whether or not 104 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: you agree with their methods, have turned out to be true. 105 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: And they've always protected their sources, which makes them a 106 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: good place for people that are wanting to do a 107 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: large scale whistleblowing to you know, funnel their information through 108 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: them so they can stay out of the picture, because 109 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: they have always done a very good job of maintaining 110 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: the anonymity of their sources. Right if you want to 111 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: learn the inner secrets of scientology, you have wiki leaks 112 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: to think. They're the reason you can find that stuff 113 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: online right now, all the way up through the O 114 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: T s and they also released UM. They also released 115 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: the British National Party membership. They also released Afghan war logs. 116 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: They also UH released Sarah Palin's email account info. Now, 117 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: it's important here to say that wiki leaks themselves are 118 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: not the people going into these um going into these databases. 119 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: They're receiving the information and they're dispersing it. They're distributing 120 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: it like the way like a movie studio might distribute 121 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: a movie that they didn't make there like a Fence, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 122 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: The the one the wiki leak that I remember the 123 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: most were the Collateral murder videos. Do you guys remember 124 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: those in two thousand ten? Remember that one? And IU 125 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: was remember the massive amount of diplomatic papers and dociers 126 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: and they released them and the one that made the 127 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: biggest splash early on that I can remember, right. And 128 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: so wiki leaks surfaced in the mainstream news again quite recently, 129 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: and they surfaced because they released leaked emails that confirmed 130 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: some things that uh, the Bernie Sanders campaign had been arguing, 131 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: and not just the Sanders campaign, but other voices in 132 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: in the room, in the digital echo chamber of modern media. 133 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: So what did they say? On Friday July twenty two, 134 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: Wiki Weeks released twenty thousand internal Democratic National Committee emails. 135 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: These ranged from January to May, and this was three 136 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: days prior to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia this year. 137 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: That this week, and again, as they have done very 138 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: well in the past, they refused to reveal the source 139 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: of leaked email. But um in June, a hack are 140 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: using the name goose Offer or as I like to say, 141 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: Gucci fur because you know, like Gucci Main two point 142 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: out claimed responsibility for the hacking into the DNC's computer network, 143 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: and then on Sunday July, the Hillary Clinton campaign manager 144 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: claimed that the emails were leaked by quote Russians for 145 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: the purposes of helping Donald Trump end quote. So that's 146 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: interesting because the content of the emails will explore the 147 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: idea of the uh source of these uh later in 148 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: the show. But the content of these emails and didn't 149 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: make the d n C look particularly good. They did 150 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: not at this point show any outright illegal behavior. No, 151 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: it showed a couple of things like, uh, well, we're 152 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: gonna talk about a lot of things. But it showed 153 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: preferential treatment to people who donated a whole lot of money, 154 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: and a very clear bias against the Sanders campaign, which 155 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: you know they alleged all along. Right before the Iowa Caucuses, 156 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: there was a data breach into the d n c 157 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: s networks that exposed some I guess you could call 158 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: it proprietary candidate information as far as you know, different 159 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: donors and information like that for the Sanders camp versus 160 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: the Clinton camp and the Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the 161 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: Democratic National Committee basically penalized the Bernie Sanders campaign because 162 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: it came from one of their employees. And then Sander's 163 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: threatened to sue the d n C because they were 164 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: withholding this proprietary information almost as retribution for this breach, 165 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: which I think is kind of interesting and a little 166 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: bit ironic considering what has happened now. But he alleged 167 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: that they were giving Clinton preferential treatment, and now with 168 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: the leaking of these twenty emails, that can be made 169 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: much more palpable when you kind of really dig into it. Sure, 170 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: and we we have some examples of stuff from this 171 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: from this email chain. Here's a good quote. It might 172 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: make no difference, but for Kentucky and West Virginia, can 173 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: we get someone to ask his belief this is referring 174 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: to Senator Stantors, Well, it's thought that it's referring to 175 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: senator senators fair enough, they don't actually use his thing. 176 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: Does he believe in a god? He had skated on 177 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read 178 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: he is an atheist. This could make several points difference 179 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: with my peeps, My Southern Baptist peeps love the use 180 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: of the word peeps. Here would draw a big difference 181 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: between a Jew and an atheist. This is from Brad 182 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: Marshall to DNC chief Financial Officer. And then we have 183 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: Mark Postenbach, national Press Secretary, who says and wondering if 184 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: he is a good Burnie never did for his story, 185 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: which is the Burnie never it is it together and 186 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: it is campaign he's a mess. Uh that's uh not 187 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: the way Mark probably sounds. I just wanted to do 188 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: that voice. I was gonna say if he got the 189 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: job of National Press secretary with that voice, that guy 190 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: is he's a smooth talker. Maybe so they show that, 191 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: you know. Also, as as we said earlier, that the 192 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: big donors were given special treatment, which to me is 193 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: not a surprise because that happens in most situations in 194 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: US politics. It's one of those things that you don't 195 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: really want people to think about too much, at least 196 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: people who are donating, you know, like you listening or 197 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: us speaking here, who can only give a certain amount 198 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: of money. Uh, you won't be able to sit down 199 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: in a rumor maybe sitting next to Barack Obama during 200 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: some event. Now this is where it gets Uh, this 201 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: is where it gets interesting because shortly after this. On July, 202 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: the chairwoman of the d n C resigned. This is 203 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who was working with Clinton the Clinton 204 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: the former Clinton campaign run for president, Yeah, for president 205 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, and as a representative from Florida 206 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: and for people who were fans of Bernie Sanders. This 207 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: seemed to be a conflict of interest that this person 208 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: holding office at the d n C when you know 209 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: previously they had supported a specific Democratic she ran the campaign. Right, 210 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: So this can all sound a little bit dry, a 211 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: little bit policy wonky um inside baseball, but uh, it 212 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: is important because if this information is true, while it 213 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: does not at this point indicate an illegal act, it 214 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: does indicate a disingenuous approach, right, a difference between what 215 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: was publicly stated by this organization what was privately acted upon, 216 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: and the other side of the political aisle is of 217 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: course having a field day with this. You can check 218 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: out you can check out numerous statements by the other 219 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: presidential front runner, uh, the big one right tweets, right, Yeah, 220 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: you can see numerous tweets from Donald Trump's campaign regarding this. 221 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: So this has given some fire to the supporters of 222 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: the Bernie Sander the former Bernie Sanders campaign. Uh, and 223 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: there was audible descent. You know, people were booing the crowd, 224 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: and people were cheering to out way the booze, and 225 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: the crowd was fighting with itself. And uh, it seems 226 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: like many of these people who are supporting Sanders are 227 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: deciding which are shouting shame, shame, shame, like that scene 228 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: in Game of Thrones. Really yeah, and so this of 229 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: course does not look like very unified approach. And then 230 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: on the other side of the political aisle, for different reasons, Uh, 231 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of dissent in the conservative conventions, right, 232 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: and the question about wiki leaks. So the reason this 233 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: is not over yet, well, this is a current event 234 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: is because Julian Assange when remark when talking about this, Uh, 235 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: Julian Assange also said that his next leaks will ensure 236 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: the arrest of Hillary Clinton. And you know, that's that's 237 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: a bit of a frightening idea of that the one 238 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: of the top people to become president could be arrested 239 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: for doing wrong things. It feels like a movie. And 240 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: how much of that is just hyperbole perhaps, how much 241 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: of that is is wiki leaks marketing itself? And where 242 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: did these come from. That's the big question. But first 243 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. 244 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: During an interview with CNN on July, Robbie Mooch, Hillary 245 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: Clinton's campaign manager, cited some unnamed experts, which is March 246 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: Simpson noise. Yeah, we've heard, We'll get to it. Uh. 247 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: These unnamed experts believe that quote the Russians are to 248 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: blame for these d n C email leeks, And we 249 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: have a quote from him, nol, would you be so 250 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: kind just a little just f y. There's this is 251 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 1: this is conversation on This is someone this is not 252 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: printed from a book or a journalist. Is a guy 253 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: kind of stammering a little bit. So I'm gonna try 254 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: to do that justice. What's disturbing to us is that 255 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: we experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke 256 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: into the d n C stole these emails, and other 257 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: experts are now telling us that they are the Russians 258 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: are releasing these emails for the purposes of actually helping 259 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I don't think it's coincidental that these emails 260 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: were released on the eve of our convention. Here. We 261 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: also saw last week at the Republican Convention that Trump 262 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: and his allies made changes to the Republican platform to 263 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 1: make it more pro Russian boom. So, it's it's interesting there, 264 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: right when we when we explore this statement on the 265 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: Russian side. The Russian government responded as well. On Thursday, 266 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: Kremlin spokesperson named Dmitri basic Goal said accusations of a 267 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: Russian hand and hacking democratic emails bordered on total stupidity. 268 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: How do you say that in Russian? I feel like 269 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: it's just gonna be one word, like it comes up 270 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: and we're motivated by what he said was an anti 271 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: Russian sentiment. Yeah. His quick quote is, as regards these 272 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: emails batches, Uh, that is not our headache. We never 273 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: poke our noses into others affairs, and we really don't 274 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: like it when people try to poke their noses into 275 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: hours ben So, I mean, is this Russian notion just 276 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: coming from this guy? Muck? Was muck from? Yeah? From 277 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: the campaign manager. That's an interesting question because as as 278 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: you all heard, uh, I can't allow an unnamed expert 279 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: to pass because in the US, places like the Washington 280 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: Post or New York Times or other publications of note 281 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: will often use that or will publish something like that 282 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: or a claim like that that comes from an anonymous source. 283 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: And what this allows people to do is release And 284 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm just saying kind of thing without responsibility or culpability 285 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: or accountability, right, So it's it's a thing that happens 286 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: often when let's say a member of the military or 287 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: the government needs something out there but added arms removed 288 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: so they can say and didn't actually say that. So then, 289 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: for instance, a Pentagon spokesperson would say something off the 290 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: record and you'll hear unnamed official with the Pentagon says 291 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And this kind of technique is invidious 292 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: and it's dangerous, and it occurs so often. If you 293 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: haven't noticed it before, now you will notice it over 294 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: and over and over again, especially in mainstream news. Back 295 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: when I used to work for public radio, we were 296 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: never allowed to use unnamed sources period. But I think 297 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: what ends up happening is when the topic is so 298 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: hush hush and under wraps. I think it just it 299 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: can shed a little bit of light on an area 300 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: that otherwise would be completely murky, and to use that 301 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: as a caveat, and you know that is being truthful. 302 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: If you're putting it out there and saying, hey, this 303 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: is not confirmed. But it's the equivalent of saying, hey, 304 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: somebody said, I heard what Trump says all the time. 305 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, people say this thing, but it 306 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: does kind of stink, because if you're an effective journalist, 307 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: you have sources that are embedded in places that have 308 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: close ties or maybe our experts, but they just don't 309 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: want their name out there associated with this. Right. Well, 310 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: hell man, it's the same as what's going on with 311 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: the wiki leaks in the first place, you know. I mean, 312 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: that's maintaining the anonymity of a source, and it doesn't 313 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: make the source material any less valid if it can 314 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: be confirmed and people respond to it. So yeah, if 315 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: if we were talking about rather than a statement from 316 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: an unnamed expert, and we were looking at a document, 317 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: let's say that was showing that it came somehow from 318 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: a Russian source, then it would be different. Well what okay, 319 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: for instance, just a totally different example, um for antagonizing 320 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: Iran or something like that. Then there would be a 321 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: statement that's like an unnamed source in the Pentagon said 322 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: that Iran is pushing is playing a brinksmanship game that 323 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: it will lose, and particularly noted the continuing war exercises 324 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: at the strait of hormones or something, and that's clearly 325 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: a threat from a government to another government. But now 326 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: it's and I'm just saying, and I think you make 327 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: an excellent Pointnal regarding the the sort of double sided 328 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: acts here, the double edged blade, because we cannot praise 329 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: one place and and a blanket scale for its anonymity 330 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: while vilifying another side for essentially doing the same thing. 331 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: But um, I want to point out this story that 332 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: broke in New York Times on the twenty five July. 333 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: They said proving the source of a cyber attack is 334 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: notoriously difficult, which is true, And then they say, but 335 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: researchers have concluded that the National Committee was breached by 336 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: two Russian intelligence agencies, which were the same attackers behind 337 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: previous Russian cyber operations at the White House, UH, the 338 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: State Department, and the Joint Chief of Staff last year. 339 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: They also say that metadata from the hacked emails suggests 340 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: it has through Russian computers, and even though a hacker 341 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,959 Speaker 1: claimed responsibility for giving these wicked leaks UH, the same agencies, 342 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: those Russian intelligence agencies are the prime suspects. There's actually 343 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: a Times article from the very next day um that 344 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: just as American intelligence does quote. American intelligence agencies have 345 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: told the White House they now have high confidence that 346 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: the Russian government was behind the theft of emails and 347 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: documents from the d n C, according to federal officials 348 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: who have been briefed on the evidence. What is interesting though, 349 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: is that they attribute it to quote, fairly routine cyber espionage, 350 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: which the US takes part in as well. I mean, 351 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: we're always poking our nose around other you know, other 352 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: countries business, trying to just test the waters and make 353 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: sure no one's up to any kind of terrorist activities, 354 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying, it's interesting. The biggest thing for 355 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: me is proving that that is in fact the IP 356 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: address where things came from, or if there are markers 357 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: inside somewhere that we're left, that you could prove that 358 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: this happened, because because anyone who is sufficiently sophisticated enough 359 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: within to do one of these attacks, you have the 360 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: ability to cover up your tracks at least to a 361 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: large extent. And you have to wonder too, if the 362 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: intent was in fact to manipulate an election, because what's 363 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: coming out now is that they're a suspicion that Trump 364 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: isn't releasing his tax returns because it will show business 365 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: dealings with Russian oligarchs, and therein lies a you know, 366 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: motivation perhaps for him to perhaps you know, be in 367 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: collusion with the Russian government to help manipulate and swing 368 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: things in his favor. Sure, there's also possibility that this 369 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: was done as a routine thing and that some individual 370 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: decided to leak it to Wiki leaks. I think that's 371 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: a good point because we have to remember that it's 372 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: that it's often just an individual who becomes a whistle board. 373 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: But there's a bubble that occurs right in media and 374 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: right now it is uh right now. There are questions 375 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: that are not being asked that should be asked, such 376 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: as if, like, how much do we actually know as 377 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: a nation about the uh cyber the militarized cyber side 378 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: of the Russian government. We we know a little bit 379 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: about the the Chinese government's relationship with hackers, but the 380 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: Russian intelligence agencies and their cyber attack arms are relative 381 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: black holes in the West, and usually when a country 382 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: is hacking another country they're looking for security stuff, they're 383 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: looking for federal level things. Is it a little self 384 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: important to think that an entire country would care to 385 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: that level? And if they were, they were capable of 386 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: doing that, then why didn't they do more? Why would 387 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: it be such a weird little thing about they said 388 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: something sort of sleazy about someone's religion, of of all things, 389 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: to hack, And I was I was trying to imagine 390 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: taking that route if it was, if it was truly 391 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: state actors, of going through wiki leaks, to have it 392 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: come out, if from a strategic standpoint, right to to 393 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: show too, maybe hide the fact that it is you right, uh, 394 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: that it is the state releasing it. Oh, I see 395 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: what you're saying. Well, there also the military intelligence there. 396 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: Their resources are stretched, they don't have all the time 397 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: and manpower. So this also, I don't know this, This 398 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: doesn't quite add up because I I don't think there's 399 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: any solid proof. There's high confidence right in the New 400 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: York Times. What did our buddy Snowden have to say 401 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: about it? You know, I'm glad you asked? He weighed in, 402 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: and he he did say that if if a leak 403 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: occurred or a hack occurred from the Russian side from 404 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: state actor, then the n s A would know about it, 405 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: would certainly know about it. And also, let's not forget 406 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 1: that Russia popping up in the news, like this is 407 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: a convenient reminder to Uncle Sam that Edward Snowdon got 408 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: away and is living well, not the high life, but 409 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: he's living a life outside of a jail in Russia. 410 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: And so he also has had some recent conflicts with 411 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: Julian Assange because you know, Wiki leaks just wants to 412 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: release everything in the searchual database, whereas Snowdon says there 413 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: should be some sort of curation rights, right like if 414 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna be harming people's lives, are endangering people by 415 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: releasing it, and that occurred to be here too. I mean, 416 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: this does seem like a pretty targeted release, you know, 417 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: to bring negative attention to the Democratic Party in a 418 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: time where many would argue that, you know, the alternative 419 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: could be disastrous, shall we say? So? It makes me 420 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: wonder like do do a Sange and his folks just 421 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: kind of want to watch the world burn? And also, 422 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, the stuff they don't want you to know 423 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: here is the source of the leak. It reminds me 424 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: of the Sony hacks. Uh few years back when when 425 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: these rampant, increasingly odd accusations came forward and they you know, 426 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: people were saying North Korean government hacked Sony because they 427 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: didn't like that movie, because because that was that was 428 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: on the priority the high on the priorities of an 429 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: entire country was a Seth Rogan movie. So there's a 430 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: another theory here, which Matt you found. And as if 431 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: this isn't enough to think about and moll over, there 432 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: are other theories that are coming out of the woodwork 433 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: on our conspiracy. Oh my gosh. If you aren't on there, 434 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: go over to the subredit or conspiracy and just look 435 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: at that thing. It's all kinds of different ideas about 436 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: what's going on and why. One of them that I 437 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: found is from Richard Manzo who was writing for regated 438 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: dot com and nol you said you actually found this 439 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I saw a meme um that just 440 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: kind of like was, you know, a sort of an 441 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: informational one that was trying to connect some dots here, 442 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: and it just you know, all you can do is 443 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: look at this as at its face value. I don't 444 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: know that there have been any specifics that have been 445 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: released from this leak that lends any credence to this. 446 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: But it sure is interesting that Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the 447 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: um ousted um d NC chair, was Hillary Clinton's campaign 448 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: share when she was running against Barack Obama in two exactly, 449 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: and at the time the chair of the d n 450 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: C was Tim Caine, well in two thousand nine. Correct, correct, 451 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: But if you're gonna do a little back room delons 452 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: and say, hey, how can I install this person who 453 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: is loyal to me as the chair of the Democratic 454 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: National commit Committee, the body that will or will not 455 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: help me get nominated for the presidency, I'm gonna need 456 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 1: the person that's in that job to step down and 457 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: recommend my pick. And that's exactly what happened with with 458 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: Tim Caine. But in order to do that, you kind 459 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: of got to promise Kane something, don't you What might 460 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: that be? Maybe my VP pick? I don't know. Oh, 461 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: I thought it's not gonna I thought it was gonna 462 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: be some concert tickets, yeah, Steely Dan or something. And 463 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, as as you noted, no, there's absolutely no 464 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: evidence to support this besides the circumstantial stuff of what's happening. 465 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: But it is. You know, it does seem like you 466 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: would make a good storyline for a house of cards, right, 467 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, I again, we're not trying 468 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: to get into opinions here, but we know that there 469 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: are those that distrust Hillary Clinton to a degree because 470 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: she has a so interesting relationship with the truth, shall 471 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: we say, and that she has changed stories several times 472 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: in very high profile ways. I'm not saying that she 473 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: is not truthful, but there have been examples multiple times 474 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: of her telling different versions of stories and quote misremembering things. Sure, 475 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: and and she comes from just a massive political dynasty. 476 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: Her husband was the president, she was probably one of 477 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: the most activist first ladies that we've seen, you know, 478 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: and has held high level positions in the government ever since. 479 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: But it's not as if, you know, I'm not going 480 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: to engage on what about is um or arguing and 481 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: defensive any anyone actually in in this race. But we 482 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: see that on both sides, this sort of twisting narrative. 483 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: And I can completely see this being a revenge leak 484 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: from a domestic source, you know, because again it's it's 485 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: just it's strange, and it's a it's a neat explanation 486 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: to say that there's a Russian implication, But how do 487 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: we know, like you said, no, that it wasn't an 488 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: individual how do we right? Right at this point, a 489 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: lot of what you are going to hear regarding this 490 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: will be largely speculation tarted up to look like fact. 491 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: And unfortunately that's that's the world in which we live. 492 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: But Julian Assange's statement also makes me, also makes me 493 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: wonder are we going to encounter uh more releases here? 494 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: It gives it, It brings us to a bigger issue, 495 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: all right, So if Russia is implicated, what's going to 496 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: happen is that eventually there will be some sort of 497 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: proof that will emerge, right, And what's gonna happen with 498 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: Snowdon and Assange is that they're still gonna day in 499 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: limbo for a while unless they get some kind of 500 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: pardon from whomever becomes president next, which is, you know, honestly, 501 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: probably not going to happen regardless of who gets elected. 502 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: But the much much bigger issue here, and I think 503 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: it's one that's explored by think tanks pretty often. I 504 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: think it's one that's explored by policymakers, but not as 505 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: often as it should be. And the average news is 506 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: what kind of what kind of world? What kind of 507 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: electoral processes are we going to encounter when a non 508 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: governmental uh nonprofit, private organization can affect something so powerful 509 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: a single anonymous individual could topple an institution. You know, 510 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: if the right person with the access to the right 511 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: stuff decides that they want to as you said, no 512 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: watched the world burn, then they can just release like 513 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: nuclear codes. Well and in the same way that technology 514 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: has closed the gap in terms of creators. For example, 515 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, now anyone can be a filmmaker. Anyone can 516 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, has the wherewithal to get a computer with 517 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: garage band could make an album on the same token, 518 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: anyone with access to this information, whether they work within 519 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: a company, within a government organization. It is easier now 520 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: than it ever has been to affect real change, be 521 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: it positive or negative. And and we're increasingly seeing distrust 522 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: of the media that used the days of the trustworthy 523 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: anchor with the patriarchal fireside voice just telling you what 524 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: is what and who is who and so and so 525 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: those days are gone. People don't believe in that kind 526 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: of thing anymore. And you know, should we have in 527 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: the beginning, and what we're seeing now is just these 528 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: various competing, conflicting narratives, and overall it is it is 529 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: hopefully a good thing because it allows yeah, it allows 530 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 1: people ourselves included too, to see both sides of an argument, 531 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: despite the Internet filter and search bubble, which is real. 532 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: H We've talked about that in the past, how your 533 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: past searches will indicate your opinion about something, and how 534 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: Google or another search engine will cater to that opinion. 535 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: And the same thing, of course happens with your Instagram, 536 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: your face. Because you see that Facebook admitted to filtering 537 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: out d n C leak, yes, and they didn't say 538 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: why they did it. They also they also were showing 539 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: preferential treatment to or killing um conservative perspective things. And 540 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, I think I think Facebook is one of 541 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: the most garbage forums on earth to have a serious 542 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: conversation about religion, money, love or politics. You know, Like 543 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: I said, it's a great aggregator different sources. I love 544 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 1: it for that. That is where I get my news. 545 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I just in terms of I've 546 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: subscribed to different pages and you know, I'm mainly it's 547 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: meme pages. That's where I live right now in the 548 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: world of memes because the real world's kind of ugly. Um. 549 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, God, don't ever try to get into a 550 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: back and forth, God forbid, with one of your friends 551 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: with an extreme opposing viewpoints you. It is danger danger, 552 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: Will Robinson, it's bad times. Don't do it. Where we 553 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: are with this though, Man, this is obviously a continuing story. 554 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: This is obviously something we're gonna keep saying. With these leaks, 555 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: you always have a massive volume and so it takes 556 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: time to dig through and find the tasty bits. Who 557 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: obviously found a few. But what's next, Well, that's a 558 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: great question, and it's something that we would like your 559 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: help answering. Ladies and gentlemen. We can say, if Julian 560 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: Osange is telling the truth, then there will be other 561 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,919 Speaker 1: leaks to follow as we record this. Uh, some voicemails 562 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: were recently released which they were still sorting through. They 563 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: were a part of the leaks, It's just they were 564 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: kind of hidden throughout it. And there was a user 565 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 1: on Reddit that went through and made a transcription which 566 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: was really nice. So you can or at least a 567 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: basic transcription so you can see what they are without 568 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: having to filter through them. And it's easy to get 569 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: lost in the wash of information because now it's no 570 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: longer a needle in a haystack situation. The truth was 571 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: hidden in the fifties by being suppressed. Now the truth 572 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: is hidden by being part of a glut of Let 573 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: me forget about the crowdsourcing. Yeah side of this. You know, 574 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: released this massive dump, and there are enough people with 575 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 1: enough time on their hands that if you work together, 576 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, independently, but yet as kind of a swarm 577 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: of people, you're to dig through and find the stuff 578 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: much quicker. Yes, And speaking of crowdsourcing, we're we're going 579 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: to put a pause on this for now and wait 580 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: for more information to develop. We would like to hear 581 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: from you. Is there something to this Russian allegation? Does 582 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: wiki leaks have damaging political information? This is a who 583 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,479 Speaker 1: done it? And pretty soon it may be a who 584 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: to thunk it, And sadly, often with these cases, maybe 585 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: it will be gone in a week and we won't 586 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: hear about it again save for this strange episode of 587 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: this podcast. But before we go today, speaking of our 588 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: amazing listeners, I think it's time for shout out Conners. Yes, 589 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 1: that's right, ladies and gentlemen. Our shout out corner. Our 590 00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: first shout out comes to us via Christopher H. Christopher H. Says, Hey, guys, 591 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 1: love the show. It keeps me full of facts during 592 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 1: my long hours driving at work. Recently read a book 593 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: titled The Truth about Dishonesty and found it absolutely fascinating. 594 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: It explains and questions the idea of cheating and how 595 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: it is universal. Several of the experiments made me question 596 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: the nature of mankind, but I know and see how 597 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 1: the world works a bit clearer. I also believe Netflix 598 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: has released a video version explaining the experiments within. I 599 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: thought it would be a good idea to do a 600 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: podcast on cheating and believing in our own lies, as 601 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 1: it ties in nicely with issues at the heart of banking, 602 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: politics and sports. Hope this finds you well. Uh. Shout 603 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: out from Rainey Scotland into the love of my life, Zoe, 604 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: who has to listen to all the stories you guys 605 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: tell on a second hand basis. Thanks so much for writing, Christopher. 606 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: The second shout out for today goes to Amy Gonzalez. Hello, fellas, 607 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm a loyal podcast listener and would love a birthday, 608 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: shout out for this coming podcast. Happy birthday, Happy birthday, 609 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: and shout out to you or Man Jr. Because in 610 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: a previous email you asked for a shout out to 611 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: him as well, and I don't think we got to that. One. 612 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: Also said I'd love to thank Noel for the voice. 613 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 1: I have to say, Amy, this brightened my day and 614 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: and justified that stupid voice that Ben makes me to 615 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: um that we came up with whilst um, you know, 616 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: having a little cocktail of the night after works so um, 617 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 1: that's great voice, Amy, Please you Amy what I could? So? 618 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: Do you have a had a kind in the hot 619 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: and huh make God to be with you? Who's next? 620 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: The final shout out goes to Jonathan V. Jonathan says 621 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: he found us listening to Josh and Chuck. Well that's cool. 622 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: Apparently they shouted us out. He has concerns about Pokemon Go. 623 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: As we kind of mentioned, there are a lot of 624 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: concerns about the game. Only concern I have is when 625 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a dang bulbazore? What what level are 626 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: you right now? Seven? Man? I'm I'm way behind everyone 627 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: else in the office is like twenty something getting a 628 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: break while I am currently level zero, haven't started yet. Diana, 629 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 1: my wife tells me, I need to Uh, he says, 630 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: to do with metadata, picking out individuals and selling unique data. Um, 631 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: it might be possible, but not so cost effective to monetize. However, 632 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: when you fit a demographic and you need a Squirtle? 633 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: How how much value is there to a particular store 634 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: or location in having a squirtle when they know that 635 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: within Pokemon Go you need one that's interesting? 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