1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Hey, it is Saturday, which means it is time once 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: again for us to share one of our past episodes 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: from our podcast archive. And this is one of our 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: most requested episodes that we already have. It's on the 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Halifax explosion. We are coming up on the hundredth anniversary 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: of this event, which will take place on December six. 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Previous hosts of the show, Sarah and Bablina, tell this story. 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: One note that comes up from time to time when 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: we talk about this piece of history. Every year, the 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: city of Halifax sends the city of Boston a Christmas 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: tree as thanks for the assistance at the city rendered 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the explosion. There's a lot of 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: fanfare on both sides of the tree's journey, with its 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: lighting in Boston taking place as part of a huge 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: holiday celebration at Boston Common, and there's a bit of 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: controversy about it too. There is a whole lot of 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: marketing and publicity and fanfare involved for Halifax, which makes 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: it a pretty expensive gift on Halifax's part. So with 19 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: that in mind, here we go Welcome to Stuff You 20 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: Missed in History Class from stuff works dot com. Hello, 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast I'm Debilian chalkerate boarding and 22 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: I and every year on December seven, Americans remember the 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: bombing of Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, in which was an attack 24 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: that killed thousands and launched the U. S into World 25 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: War Two. But what many Americans might not know is 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: that our neighbor to the north, Canada, commemorates a sad 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: historical moment of its own just one day before, and 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: that's the Halifax explosion. And the Halifax explosion, which took 29 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: place on December six, nine seventeen, has been called one 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: of the worst disasters in Canada's history, one of the 31 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: largest man made non nuclear explosions in history ever, and 32 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: the largest man made explosion I or two Hiroshima. So 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: it's not going to be our most uplifting episode ever, 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: as you can tell, but it is one of our 35 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: most requested and I would say especially in the past year, 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: I've noticed a huge uptick in request for this topic, 37 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: and um certainly as we've approached the anniversary date of 38 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: December six as well. But the story of this disaster 39 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: starts with two ships which weren't even supposed to be 40 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: in Halifax at the same time in the first place, 41 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: trying to pass each other in the harbor. And so 42 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: we're going to tell you about what happened, what caused 43 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: the explosion, of course, the toll that it took on Halifax, 44 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: and the rescue effort that followed too, and then, of course, 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: because this is World War One, some suspicions kind of 46 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: an alternate history that people have thought up um and 47 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: assumed had to be the cause of a disaster of 48 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: this magnitude. But first we're going to set the stage 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: a little bit to help people understand a little bit 50 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: about Halifax at this time during World War One. Some 51 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: basic background. Halifax was established as a fortified settlement by 52 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: the British in seventeen forty nine, and it had become 53 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: the capital of Nova Scotia by nineteen hundred. It had 54 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: served as a garrison city to the British Empire armies, 55 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: but after British forces left in nineteen oh six, it 56 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: needed kind of a new purpose, so the city's port 57 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: facilities grew and new factories were developed, turning Halifax into 58 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: Nova Scotia's commercial center. Portly makeover. Almost so because of 59 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: its port facilities, Halifax became a key player in the 60 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: Allied war effort during World War One, even though it 61 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: was obviously pretty far removed from the main battlefields in 62 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: the war. But when the war started in nineteen fourteen, 63 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Canada had gotten involved, had pledged its support to Great 64 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: Britain to resist German aggression, and so the country's factory 65 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: started to produce munitions and other supplies as a way 66 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: of also supporting the war, and since it was Canada's 67 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Since Halifax was Canada's may in port on the East Coast, 68 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: it handled tons of shipping during the war, like thousands 69 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: of Allied cargo ships that would go through its harbor 70 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: before heading on over to Europe. Everything from soldiers to 71 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: munitions to food would pass through Halifax's harbor, and because 72 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: of its stance in the war and the type of 73 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: cargo that was passing through the port, they did have 74 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: to take some precautions. According to a History magazine article 75 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: by Andrew hynd And, nightly blackout was in effect, for example, 76 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: to protect the port from German submarines. There was also 77 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: an anti submarine boom, or a kind of net that 78 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: was also spread across the entrance of the harbor from 79 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: dusk to dawn to restrict access to the harbor. During 80 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: the night, and that's going to be pretty crucial to 81 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: the story. So the night of December five, nineteen seventeen, 82 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: when our story begins, there were two ships that were 83 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: unwillingly stuck on either side of this anti submarine boom, 84 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: so one stuck on the outside, one stuck on the inside. 85 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: One was a French freighter called the mont Blanc, and 86 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: there was also a Norwegian freighter called the Emo. And 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: the fact that these two ships were even there at 88 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: the same time was kind of a coincidence, wasn't it. 89 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: It was the Emo, under the command of Captain Hawk 90 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: and Frome was supposed to be on its way to 91 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: New York to pick up a cargo of food for 92 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: the Belgian people. He had wanted to sail that afternoon. 93 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: The captain did, but according to an article by Jesse 94 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: Bradley and Military History, the coal he had ordered for 95 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: three pm delivery didn't show up until five thirty, when 96 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: the harbor exit was already blocked off. On the other hand, 97 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: the mont Blanc, which was commanded by Captain a may Limedic, 98 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: was supposed to arrive on the following day, December six, 99 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: but it showed up late in the afternoon of December 100 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: five instead, which was too late to make it into 101 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: the harbor, but they went ahead and they picked up 102 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: a pilot named Francis Mackie, Halifax. Just to explain the 103 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: pilot thing, it was a compulsory port, which meant that 104 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: a pilot had to be in charge of any ship 105 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: that was entry and are leaving the harbor. And so 106 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: they picked up this pilot, and they had undergone an 107 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: inspection by Canadian naval officer so that they would be 108 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: good to go into the harbor first thing into in 109 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: the morning get on with business. So there's another important 110 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: thing to note about the mont Blanc, though the ship's 111 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: cargo might have made some of the crew pretty nervous, 112 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 1: seeing how they were on the wrong side the the 113 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: unprotected side of that submarine boom. They had two thousand 114 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: three tons of picric acid in the holds, two tons 115 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: of t n T and ten tons of gun cotton 116 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: between the main and spar decks. And then just just 117 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: add to things, because that doesn't sound like enough, thirty 118 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: five tons of volatile benzine and drums on the upper deck. 119 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: And this combined, of course, made them basically a huge 120 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: floating explosive, and according to that History magazine article, to 121 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: Blana mentioned having those drums of bensall on the ship's 122 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: deck against regulations in the first place. So the ship 123 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: was defying regulations by having those kinds of explosives on deck, 124 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: but also by not flying a red flag to signal 125 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: that they had munitions on board. There's a reason why 126 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: they didn't do it. It was because they were on 127 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: the wrong side of that submarine net, and the captain 128 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: didn't want to let every German ship in the area 129 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: or any potential Germans in the area know that he 130 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: was carrying all these munitions and was out there in 131 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: the open um for attack. He thought it could turn 132 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: them into a target. So the two ships are stuck 133 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: where they are for the night, on either end of 134 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: the harbor. Just to explain the harbor a little bit, 135 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: because it can be kind of confusing if you can't 136 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: see a picture of it. It's this long inlet. There's 137 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: Bedford Basin where the EMO was for the night, and 138 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: that's kind of at the top, and then there was 139 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: Halifax Harbor which opens up into the Atlantic, and that's 140 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: kind of at the bottom, and that's where the mont 141 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: Blanc was connecting these two anchorage area is is what's 142 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: called the Narrows, and that's a passage that's about a 143 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: mile long and only about half a mile wide, so 144 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: you really need to follow the rules while traveling it. 145 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm imagining it kind of like an hour glass. Is 146 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: that correct? I haven't actually seen the map. I mean 147 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: I guess that you could sort of related like an 148 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: hour glass with one side that's clearly a lot smaller 149 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: than the other generally, but a narrow part in between, 150 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: a narrow part in between them. Yeah, that's the key 151 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: part to remember here is it's kind of like two 152 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: areas where you could anchor your ship and then a long, 153 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: narrow part in between that you need to travel to 154 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: get a pilot to navigate. And so the captain of 155 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: the Emo, he was not at all happy about the 156 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: situation about being stuck for the night. He was really 157 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: anxious to get going, but his pilot, William Hayes, had 158 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: agreed to spend the night on board so that they 159 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: could get going first thing in the morning. The guys 160 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: on the moll Blank kind of had the same idea. 161 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: A little after seven thirty am, they raised their anchor 162 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: and they started traveling northward towards the Narrows and an 163 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: inbound lane traveling at a speed of about four knots. 164 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: And then a little after eight am, the EMO entered 165 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: the north end of the Narrows, heading southward at about 166 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: seven knots, even though you weren't supposed to go faster 167 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: than five knots in the harbor. So they're speeding along, 168 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: I guess trying to make up for lost time, and 169 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: I mean the captain of the EMO was just in 170 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: a real hurry. Some sources suggest that the ship didn't 171 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: even have official permission to depart when it took off. 172 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: They were just going to get going, but the ships 173 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: were still a mile apart at this point when they're 174 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: first entering the channel, traveling toward each other, and while 175 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: it was barreling down the narrows, though, the EMO ran 176 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: into some unexpected traffic changes. There was an American freighter 177 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: that wanted to pass the EMO on the wrong side, 178 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: but the ship signaled to each other. They worked out 179 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: how they were going to approach this and they were 180 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: able to make the pass safely. However, this past put 181 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: the EMO in the wrong lane and on a collision course. Therefore, 182 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: with the mont Block. So Mackie, who was the pilot 183 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: of the mont Blanc, saw all the email change course, 184 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: and at first he wasn't too worried, you know, they 185 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: had enough time to to correct it to be safe, 186 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: and he founded one siren signal to indicate that his 187 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: ship would stay to the starboard side, but the EMO 188 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: answered with two sirens to say that it was going 189 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: to steer to port, which would cause the ships to collide. 190 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: So kind of mixed signals here and no agreement about 191 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: how to proceed, and after that it was really just 192 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: mass confusion. They signaled to each other again, but they 193 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: couldn't work it out. Mackie tried to stop the engine, 194 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: but of course slowing down and certainly stopping a big 195 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: ship like that isn't very easy. And then finally Mackie 196 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: tried to pull the ship to the left to just 197 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: give the EMO room to pass by, but it was 198 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: too late at that point. A little after eight thirty am, 199 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: the EMO slammed into the mont Blanc and opened up 200 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: a wedge of about three meters deep. Containers of benzine 201 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: and picric acid smashed upon impact, and then as the 202 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: ship drifted apart, sparks from that grinding steel of the 203 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: ships started a fire, so Captain Limadeck saw the riding 204 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: on the wall immediately and ordered his crew to abandon ship. 205 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: They all jumped into lifeboats and road just as fast 206 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: as they could over to the shore and took cover 207 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: in the nearby woods. But they were basically the only 208 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: ones who knew how dangerous the contents of the ship were. 209 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: So of course, because the ship was not flying that 210 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: telltale red flag, a lot of people who weren't part 211 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: of the crew didn't realize how severe the situation was, 212 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: that it didn't just involve the two ships involved in 213 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: the men on board. So hundreds of people had stopped 214 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: what they were doing, and we're just gawking at this 215 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: ship on fire with a huge column of smoke above it, 216 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: And the docks started to fill up with spectators, and 217 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: trams started to slow down and allow passengers to check 218 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: out the situation rubber Neck a little bit, and people 219 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: were gathered even at the windows of their homes and 220 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: office buildings and um watching from far off factory roofs 221 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: to just see what disaster was occurring down in the harbor. 222 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: The fire department was alerted and so they sent people 223 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: over and a lot of small boats were approaching the 224 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: mont Blanc trying to fight the fire as the boat, 225 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: as the ship i should say, was drifting across the 226 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: channel and eventually stopped at Pier six. And this all 227 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: just reminds me of what goes on kind of you know, 228 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,239 Speaker 1: have you ever been one of those tornado warning situations 229 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: where people all of a sudden want to like run 230 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: out of their houses or stand at the windows and 231 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: look at what's about to happen, and you just feel 232 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: like it's so bad, like don't watch, just take cover. 233 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: It's like one of those moments. But a few people 234 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: did have an idea of what was going on, and 235 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: they took action. For example, a train dispatcher at Richmond 236 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: Station who had been warned by a sailor stayed at 237 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: his post to stop a passenger train from coming into 238 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: the area. He sent a telegraph that said, quote stop trains, munition, 239 00:12:54,760 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: ship on fire making for Pier six, goodbye. So all 240 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: of this was going down, all of this gawking and 241 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: trying to get a look at at the disaster, the wreck, 242 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: and trying to help and trying to help too. Of course, 243 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: when at nine oh six am, the mont Blanc blew 244 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: up and the ship was shattered into bits. The blasts scent, 245 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: smoke and debrise somewhere from three to five miles into 246 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: the sky, and of course, soon enough all of those 247 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: ship fragments came raining down on the north end of 248 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: the city, hitting people, hitting buildings. The ship's gun, for example, 249 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: landed five point five kilometers away, and it said that 250 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 1: the shock from the explosion was felt as far as 251 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: three kilometers away. The harbor bed was split and laid bare, 252 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: and the rocks from it were also thrown around. And 253 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: when the sea rushed back to fill in that hole 254 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: in the harbor bed, it's sent a huge tidal wave 255 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: of inland, which affected people who were st ending there 256 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: on the piers watching. I think that's the most striking 257 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: image for me to try to imagine, to the harbor 258 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: bed just cleared of water, this empty pit and then 259 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: was filling back in. Other ships in the harbor were 260 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: destroyed or severely damaged. Of course, the Imo, for example, 261 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: was blown ashore and its captain, the pilot Haze, and 262 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: five crewmen were all killed. A split second after that explosion, 263 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: there was also this huge air concussion, a kind of 264 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: shock wave that instantly destroyed everything in its path. Buildings 265 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: and bridges collapsed, vehicles were thrown around, roads were cracked, 266 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,119 Speaker 1: tree snapped. Even buildings that withstood that wave lost their windows, 267 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: and some of those buildings still fell when that wreckage 268 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: that we mentioned came raining down from the sky. Yeah, 269 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: and that wave also killed hundreds of people instantly when 270 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: they were hit by the shock wave, and many more 271 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: were trapped in the ruins of buildings and became victims 272 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: of the third on slot, which were fires that sprang 273 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: up everywhere as results of damaged gas manes and overturned 274 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: wood OBEs and kindling in homes. We talked about that 275 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: effect of earthquakes and things like that a little bit 276 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: in our fire episode of San Francisco Fire. But basically, 277 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: this entire district of Halifax called Richmond and some areas 278 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: beyond that were completely decimated in just a matter of minutes. 279 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: About two thousand people were dead, nine thousand more were 280 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: injured and needed medical treatment, and about two thousand buildings 281 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: were really badly damaged, which meant that approximately fifteen thousand 282 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: people were now homeless. And that's really a low estimate. 283 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: Because it only counts those people who were found. Yeah, 284 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: the death tolls considered by a lot of people to 285 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: be too low. Among the dead were the city's fire 286 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: chief and the deputy fire chief who had gotten to 287 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: Pier six right before the explosion. Two hundred children and 288 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: the staff of the city's orphanage, about one hundred students 289 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: at Richmond School, sixty nine employees of the Canadian Government Railway, 290 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: including the heroic Vince Coleman that we mentioned and who 291 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: sent that telegraph out, and many many others. However, though 292 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: it kind of defies logic, because they were so close 293 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: to the situation to start with, Captain Limedeck and Mackie, 294 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: who had taken shelter in the woods they survived. Who 295 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: would figure that the guys who had been on the 296 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: ship with the explosives, who jumped overboard and swam to 297 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: the woods would make it. It's really surprising, but the 298 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: rescue efforts started almost immediately to to deal with this 299 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: um this explosion and the after effects. About thirty minutes 300 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: after the explosion is when things started to happen. People 301 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: began to dig out the dead and look for survivors. 302 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: But remember this is December and it is Nova Scotia, 303 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: so their works soon got a lot tougher because a 304 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: blizzard started later in the day and I think it 305 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: was like with the worst blizzard in the last twenty 306 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: perfect timing right. So that was of course bad news 307 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: for all those people who were now homeless, who didn't 308 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: have any shelter, and there was also concern about another 309 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: potential explosion. All of those fires that had started and 310 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: spread since the first explosion were still a very major 311 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: threat because they were quickly heading for the powder magazine 312 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: at the Wellington Military barracks. This caused quite a bit 313 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: of panic. People, even the injured ones, started heading for 314 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: higher ground and they were encouraged to by authority, so 315 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: they were being sent up. But soldiers were able to 316 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: flood the munitions dump and keep the fire away from it, 317 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: so there wasn't a second explosion after all, so it 318 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: wasn't quite as bad as they thought it could be. 319 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: And that was a really good thing too, because there 320 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: were already so many people who were really badly in 321 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: need of doctors, medical supplies, and just places to care 322 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: for the injured. Doctors, nurses and supplies started to come 323 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: in from other Nova Scotia towns that day, and by 324 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: the next day help was coming in from other Canadian 325 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: provinces too, and the international response here was really significant 326 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: as well. By two thirty that day, the U. S. 327 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: Navy ships the Tacoma and the Von Steuben, on their 328 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: way back from Europe, came into the harbor and met 329 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: up with the U. S. S Colony and the U S. 330 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: Coast Guard Cutter Moral. They offered up soldiers and marines 331 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: to help patrol the area, and they turned the old 332 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: Colony into a hospital ship with the U. S. Navy 333 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: Docks running it along with some Canadian nurses, and over 334 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: the next few days trains full of surgeons, doctors and 335 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: nurses and more medical supplies came in from New England again, 336 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: though facilities were packed so during this time doctors were 337 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: forced to treat people in pretty much every room of 338 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: any available hospital, including the kitchens, the corridors, and the closets. 339 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: Some treated people on trains or in homes, in doctor's 340 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: offices or even drug stores, making do with what they could. 341 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: The injuries, too, were really horrific, not the kind of 342 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: thing that you would want to be treating on a 343 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: train or in somebody's home and um. One of the 344 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: reasons why the injuries were so bad was because of 345 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: all of that glass and the debris that had been 346 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: flying around and hitting people. And will spare you some 347 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: of the truly gory details, but eye injuries are often 348 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: said to have been the most prevalent. And I mean, 349 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: if you if you think about what we mentioned earlier, 350 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: all those people running up to their windows to see 351 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: the ship on fire and watching and and then getting 352 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: faced with that explosion, and a lot of people ultimately 353 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: needed to have one or both eyes removed. But besides 354 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: medical care, there were other types of relief that were needed. 355 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: By the afternoon of the explosion, the Halifax Relief Committee, 356 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: which was a volunteer organization, was organized to help find 357 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: ways to shelter the homeless and identify the dead and 358 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: the injured, and construct some sort of temporary housing for 359 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: people to live through this blizzard. I mean, how bad 360 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: would it be to survive the explosion and then freeze? Kidding? 361 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: They also started to manage the donations that came in 362 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: from around the world. Millions of dollars came in from 363 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: several countries, including Britain of course, and as far away 364 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: as Australia. The US also started to send in supplies 365 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: like food, clothing, and building materials including glass and the 366 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: people who could install it. In the meantime, though, a 367 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: lot of the homeless had to stay intense in that 368 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: brutal cold weather. So on December thirteenth, nineteen seventeen, the 369 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 1: RAT Commissioners started to investigate the explosion, and according to 370 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: the military history article that we mentioned earlier, the chairman 371 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: of this commission, Judge Arthur Drysdale, was really anti French 372 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: and he felt that the pilot and the captain of 373 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: the mont Blanc were quote wholly responsible and um it 374 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: did seem like they were going to be held responsible 375 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: for at least a small aspect of it. Initially, Captain 376 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: Limeduck and Francis Mackie were arrested and charged with manslaughter 377 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: for causing the death of William Hayes, who was the 378 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: pilot of the EMO as we as we mentioned earlier, 379 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: and the charges were eventually dropped and it was ruled 380 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: that both the EMO and the mont Blanc were at fault. 381 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: That didn't stop people from having other theories about what 382 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: really happened. Oh yeah, we've always got some other theories don't, 383 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: so some people for some time actually believed that Germany 384 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: was behind the explosion. After all, it was during the war, 385 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: and if you hadn't witnessed the explosion yourself, that you 386 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: can imagine that might be the first thing that comes 387 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: to your mind. Some people thought it was a zeppelin 388 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: attack or a bombardment from a battle fleet. Still others 389 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: later on thought that sabotage was behind this. These people 390 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: think that the emo's captain and co pilot were both 391 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: murdered by a crew member just before the explosion, allowing 392 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: a German spy to come on board and orchestrate the accident, 393 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: but witnesses have said that they saw the captain giving 394 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: all the commands. Later though, during an inquiry, some harbor 395 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: officers said that they had received calls inquiring about the 396 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: movements of the ships, and rumors started again around when 397 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: Dr Samuel Prince, who authored a study about the explosion, 398 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: a sociological study, said that it could be sabotage. There's 399 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: been no definitive proof of this though. These are just 400 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: ideas that people had around this time, especially Yeah, So, 401 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: moving away from conspiracy theory and to rehabilitation and the 402 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: reconstruction of Halifax. It obviously took years to rehabilitate the 403 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: city and to identify the dead and to help survivors 404 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: find their families. And if you visit the website of 405 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: the Nova Scotia Archives, they have a whole section on 406 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: the Halifax explosion. Actually, since people started recommending this topic, 407 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: I've sometimes pointed them to that resource because it is 408 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: so great, And we follow the Nova Scotia Archives on Twitter. 409 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: They're really really nice about any research questions you might have, 410 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a it's a great place to go 411 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: to learn more about the disaster and to see how 412 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: Halifax was rebuilt. They have photos of the explosions aftermath 413 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: and a film clip that's kind of like a silent 414 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: movie that that's so disturbing too, because this it is silent. Yes, 415 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: it's a very eerie And there's also a list of 416 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: those who died. And what I found to be really 417 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: interesting was the first hand accounts from some of the survivors. 418 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: So we have part of an example here of a 419 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: personal narrative given by a doctor M. J. Burris to 420 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: the director of the Halifax Disaster Record Office at nine 421 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: o'clock was just getting up shaving felt the house shake 422 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: and felt that something terrible had happened. Thought that there 423 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: was a bombardment of some kind. The explosion was low, 424 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: not so loud as the noonday gun, and he thought 425 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: that it was a shell from a submarine. His little 426 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: daughter downstairs screamed. A second explosion was louder, but still 427 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: there was no breaking of glass. He was sure now 428 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: that it was a bombardment. Ran downstairs, caught up his 429 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: little girl and called to his wife and the maid 430 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: to come to the cellar. Put the little girl in 431 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: the cellar, then ran back for his wife, who would 432 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 1: not come, met her at the door and pushed her 433 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: down the cellar stairs, following her. They were all in 434 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: the cellar when the quote big explosion came. Everything smashed. 435 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: After waiting for some time for more, Dr B came 436 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: upstairs when into office a man was there with his 437 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: face cut on a doctor B to dress it. Soon 438 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: many people were there to be quote fixed up. Only 439 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: small hurts came first, as Dr B lives near the 440 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: ferry and people were not so badly injured in that 441 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: part of Dartmouth. Later people from the north end came 442 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: and we're much worse hurt one child had a skull fractured, 443 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: broken like an eggshell. The brain substance was oozing down 444 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: over the side of his face. He lived about three weeks, 445 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: so that definitely puts um puts the explosion into perspective. Um. 446 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: But I do like having a resource like that and 447 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: having having archives where you can look up all sorts 448 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: of letters and pictures and get a better sense because 449 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: I mean, so often we talk about things in kind 450 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: of a big scale, but when you have letters, when 451 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: you have quotes, it makes it so much more personal. Yeah, 452 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: it makes it real. 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