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Speaker 1: All right, here we go Pack twelve fans. This one's

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Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only

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Speaker 1: the Truth lives here Packed twelve Apostles.

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Speaker 2: I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amson, and this is the

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Speaker 2: Pack twelve Apostles. We are back for the final season

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Speaker 2: of the Pack twelve Apostles. Me and Ralph aren't going

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Speaker 2: anywhere just to Pack twelve Apostles, So we got to

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Speaker 2: figure out a whole rebrand, a whole rename, because yeah,

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Speaker 2: things are going left. Right now, things are going left

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Speaker 2: and Ralph, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Man, Hey, it's good to be back. I feel to

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Speaker 3: go with the Apostles theme. This feels like Day two.

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Speaker 2: What do you what do you mean? Day two?

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Speaker 3: They've done gambled for Jesus's clothes. They rolled the stone

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Speaker 3: in front. We're sitting around wondering what we did with

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Speaker 3: the last three years of our life. Because this is

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Speaker 3: year four of the Apostles podcast. Man, this definitely feels like, Hey,

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Speaker 3: if somebody doesn't come back from the dead tomorrow, we

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Speaker 3: might have to go back to.

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Speaker 2: Uh, don't do that fishing you are you are still

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Speaker 2: peddling hope if you don't stop it if you don't stop.

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Speaker 3: So do people hope for miracles?

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Speaker 2: Yes they do.

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Speaker 3: You're supposed to like believe on miracles, right, well, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know hopeful miracles, believe on miracles. Listen, this thing

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Speaker 2: is toast, bro, This thing is toast. Now, if we

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Speaker 2: go back a little over a year ago when USC

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Speaker 2: what did I say back then about the about the

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Speaker 3: You said it was the beginning of the end. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the beginning of the end because there

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Speaker 2: were a significant number of obstacles in the way. Number

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Speaker 2: one was TV deal, Like that was number one. But

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Speaker 2: the problem with the TV deal is there were no windows.

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Speaker 2: Like that was the problem. That was the inherent problem

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Speaker 2: from the beginning was the lack of TV windows. And

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was the CW, it was Ion, it

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Speaker 2: But the reality was is that the PAC twelve was

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Speaker 2: suffering from an availability problem. And then as soon as

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Speaker 2: the Big twelve, like there was still a glimmer of hope.

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Speaker 2: But when the Big twelve signed its deal first, it

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Speaker 2: was a death sence. It was a death sence. Where

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Speaker 2: else was the Pac twelve left to go? Because yes,

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Speaker 2: you could have gone to ESPN and taken the late window,

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Speaker 2: but you still got what six games a day, you know,

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Speaker 2: and in the preseason more than that. So the idea

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Speaker 2: going around to George Kliakoff, But if you remember, what's

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Speaker 2: the first thing he tried to do when he first

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Speaker 3: Ralph teach people how to say his last name.

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Speaker 2: Well that and then expansion. He tried to expand. And

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Speaker 2: why did he get stopped with expansion? Who stopped him?

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Speaker 2: Usc usc was the team that was blocking expansion, didn't.

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Speaker 3: And didn't they step in and express their discomfort with

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Speaker 2: Yes, but that ended up being more about the Texas

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Speaker 3: Can we pre can we just stop for one second,

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Speaker 3: because it's been a minute since we recorded. Can we

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Speaker 3: talk about the man responsible for not only putting the

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, cool, Yeah, let's okay, let's let's let's go

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Speaker 2: to Boner. Let's go to Boner for a minute.

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Speaker 3: What do you think he's doing right now.

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Speaker 2: Counting his money? I mean, he feels vindicated, he feels

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Also, I mean, uh, doesn't doesn't seem to

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Speaker 3: Yet he helps set these dominoes in motion that keep

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Speaker 3: Larry Scott, obviously, who bears the brunt of oh responsibility here.

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Speaker 3: I just I just want to touch on the.

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Speaker 2: Facts Larry Scott and the presidents and the presidents who

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Speaker 2: and you're just sitting here like, come on, come on, bro,

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Speaker 2: I'm not even sad right now. This is just everybody

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Speaker 2: recent events. We are going to continue to do the

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Speaker 3: All these statements are weird because literally the word we

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 3: And I know you said you did all your morning

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's more disbelief than morning, but I when you

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Speaker 3: and I repeatedly said, whether it was at the end

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Speaker 3: this started was they hired Dione Sanders, and I explicitly

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Speaker 3: the PAC twelve is going to get three or four

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Speaker 3: years of near exclusive rights to broadcast a team coach

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Speaker 3: by Dion Sanders, like literally guaranteed engagement. And you shut

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Speaker 3: it's done. It doesn't matter, None of this matters, Dion,

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Speaker 3: There's been rumors and rumors and rumors and rumors that

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Speaker 3: on this to be vindigate, vindicated. You know, you still

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Speaker 3: You know, but we knew this was coming. And even

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Speaker 3: I was pissed because we have a podcast called PAC

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Speaker 3: of people are out here talking about the PAC twelve

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Speaker 3: And then USC and UCLA announced that they're leaving, and

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Speaker 2: That's not good, that's no once.

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Speaker 3: He just the adversity came and he just went into

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Speaker 3: like legal statements, votes of confidence. Uh, we're all in

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Speaker 3: this together. Nothing came from George Kliafkoff himself. He has

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Speaker 3: not been an outward, front facing leader whatever. He's been

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Speaker 3: behind closed doors to convince these schools to keep coming,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, everybody, Yeah, we're all committed. I'm not worried

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Speaker 2: about anybody leaving. Yes, you should have been. Everybody else

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Speaker 2: I know the difference. So we are sitting here on Monday,

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Speaker 2: what's this the thirtieth, thirty thirty first, Yeah, and Arizona

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Speaker 2: eight hours somewhere around there, right, But also, did you

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Speaker 2: see what was announced today by John Canzino.

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Speaker 3: No, But I do know that for the most part,

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Speaker 3: Kenzano and Wilner have for the last year been saying

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Speaker 3: It's just a matter of time. And I we had,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna speak the Canzano. I don't know him,

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Speaker 3: Ralphie is the only good thing about you? What else?

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Speaker 3: Boulder is gonna be the nicest city that you ever

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Speaker 2: I mean, I wish you did you sound you sound angry?

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Speaker 2: Like that's I would have done this too. They're getting

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Speaker 3: There are getting ten million a win per season.

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Speaker 2: There are now nine foot ball teams that need an

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Speaker 3: Brutal it's a win or two brutal when it's nine.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there are nine teams that need a game for

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Speaker 3: How many Big twelve teams do you think are going

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Speaker 2: None? That's brutal, yes, because all the Big twelve. Ah,

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Speaker 2: we're not breaking our contract. Dude, everybody's contract is already

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Speaker 3: So that addition that hurts. So I'm then then that's

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Speaker 2: Hey, So So now we're on the precipice of Arizona leaving,

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Speaker 3: Will they be allowed to leave?

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Speaker 3: Because they all time villain Michael Crowe? Do you really

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Speaker 3: It wasn't the n Actually, didn't they get the wheels

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Speaker 3: So that's the blackmail that keeps getting these statements issued

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Speaker 3: that's how these statements keep coming out. Because these statements

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Speaker 3: Did you like broke Pack Mountain?

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Speaker 3: foreseeable future.

434
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: Yes, because he watched. He watched his first opportunity there.

435
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: So so if Oregon doesn't all and we and we

436
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: know that Oregon and Washington have been vetted by the

437
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: Big ten already that they wanted to hold off and

438
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, wait for whatever reason. So now, if Oregon

439
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: does not have an escape hatch here, this is a

440
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 2: fireable offense for Rob Mullins. Fireable if your plan was

441
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: to all right, we're just gonna thug it out in

442
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve and you didn't have backdoor action popping

443
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: like like like you weren't still in your relationship sending

444
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: sending out hey, big heads and all of that. You

445
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: you have, you you have utterly failed. So and I

446
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 2: feel like Rob is smarter than that we've had a

447
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 2: conversation about like I it would be I would feel

448
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: bamboozled by Rob if he didn't have a plan already,

449
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: if there were not a plan in place, And I

450
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 2: don't think that that plan is the Big Twelve. Oregon

451
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: and Washington don't fit into Big twelve.

452
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: I agree, agree, and to go back to it. Colorado

453
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: is a Big twelve school.

454
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: Yes, Arizona and Arizona State and Utah I don't mind

455
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: them in the Big twelve either.

456
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: Like that, why do you think why do you think

457
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: Utah is so steadfast and and and ultimately even possibly

458
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: created an enemy in the Big twelve with their outward

459
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: commitment to the Pac twelve. My personal feeling on it

460
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: was that they have found footing, They've found success, and

461
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: I think it means a lot to the city of

462
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: Salt Lake to be equated with your Seattle's and your

463
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: LA's and your Phoenix areas. I think it means a

464
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: lot to them because one thing you have to understand

465
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: in the Bay Area, especially because Salt Lake been stealing

466
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: companies from from Silicon Valley left and right. But one

467
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: thing you got to know about Salt Lake City is

468
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: it's it maskarades as a major American city. It's not. No,

469
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: it's a couple. There's a couple of cities out there

470
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: in this country that, like you would be shocked to

471
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: find out the population of I mean, Atlanta, Salt Lake.

472
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: I've Salt Lake City is one of them.

473
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: Yes, Atlanta is another. I think people here Atlanta and

474
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: they know about that airport and they're like, oh, that's

475
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: a that's a that's a seven figure town. No, it's

476
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: less than half that. Well, I mean they got they

477
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: got the suburbs and everything like that.

478
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: We have the suburbs though, too. Yeah, I mean, I mean,

479
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 2: I know I live in the San Fernando Valley. There

480
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: are two million people just in the San Fernando Valley alone.

481
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: Like La Proper ain't as big as and as big

482
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: as uh you know, people make it out.

483
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: To be right, But what I'm saying is like Smyrna, Marietta,

484
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: those towns around Atlanta, they have the population of Salt

485
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: Lake correct, correct, Like Salt Lake City is like a

486
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: like a two hundred thousand person city, right. I've long

487
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: thought that like it mostly benefits them to be associated

488
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: with the PAC twelve, which is majority made up of

489
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: like great American cities of the West, you know, and

490
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: there's a su fans listen to this right now that

491
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: will want to fight me about Tucson. There's a million

492
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: people in Tucson. There's a million people in Tucson. You know,

493
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: you can argue and tell me that that that's a

494
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: million people making a bad decision. But it's a major city, right.

495
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just okay, So let's focus on the Arizona

496
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: Arizona State part of this. First. Yes, now, Arizona clearly

497
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: will leave, but do you believe that Michael Crow in

498
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: Arizona State will follow suit? And if they don't follow suit,

499
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: what is the alternative? Because next year, Because here's where

500
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: you're at right right now, not playing football or basketball

501
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: on television in twenty twenty four, that's where you're at

502
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: right now. There's no there's no plan in place. After

503
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: July first of next year, it's over. So it's not

504
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: like like there's not an imaginary deadline. You are past

505
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: the deadline. You are past the appropriate time for you

506
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: to have gotten something done. You are well passed that time.

507
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: Can we agree on that?

508
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

509
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: So now the question is all right, so let's say

510
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: Arizona leaves right now, what happens to the other eight

511
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: teams because Colorado, I'm sorry, because Utah and Arizona State.

512
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: I think it feels easy for them to just migrate

513
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: to the PAC twelve. I mean, to the Big twelve.

514
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: If you are the Big ten, you kind of have

515
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: to take the other six schools, don't you.

516
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: Six is a lot, you know, I don't know. I've

517
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: heard people talk about, you know, you could probably fit

518
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: in an Oregon State in the Mountain West. You can

519
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: probably fit a col in the Mountain West. I don't

520
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: think they want any part of that. The thing that

521
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: the PAC twelve has done is create a standard by

522
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: which no one wants to downgrade from, which is part

523
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: of the reason why they're not accepting.

524
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: So, you know, like I've grown accustomed to a lifestyle,

525
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: and people keep saying, we'll add SMU and add San

526
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: Diego State. Well, San Diego State has a thirty four

527
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: million dollar buyout right now, and.

528
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: Which would have been sixteen, which would have been sixteen

529
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: a minute ago.

530
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: Yes, and packed, And people are like, no, well, the

531
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: packed one should help them out with it with what

532
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: money they they've all they're already owing Comcast. What is it,

533
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: seventy million dollars you already owe Comcast? Yeah, fifty million.

534
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: You already owe them a boatload of money. So how

535
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: are you gonna lend out money? And do you think

536
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: that the that the Mountain West is gonna take an

537
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: IOU from San Diego State?

538
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: No, And the Mountain West played this perfectly.

539
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: They really They're gonna be like, I need my money tomorrow,

540
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: like I'm like I'm supposed to.

541
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: And there was there's no reason for So here's the thing.

542
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: The Mountain West played this perfectly. They really did they

543
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 3: They San Diego State came back to them hat in

544
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: hand like, and ye, it was kind of it was

545
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: kind of impressive, it really was. It was bad for

546
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: the Pac twelve obviously, but at the same time, like

547
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 3: to say, we have a path forward on paying this

548
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: thirty four million dollar bill when you didn't have a

549
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: path forward on paying the sixteen million dollar bill. Also,

550
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: acting like that sixteen million dollar bill was a surprise.

551
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: That's what kills me. That's what absolutely kills me. They

552
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: knew for the longest time and they still let it

553
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: come up against the deadline. I'm as mad at the

554
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 3: PAC twelve and San Diego State, as I am at

555
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: my kids who do this every single week with every

556
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: single activity they have in their life, Like, oh, you

557
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: knew you needed to recharge your lunch account for three

558
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 3: weeks and I'm finding out today after you ate a

559
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: cheese sandwich and you say everybody laughed at you in

560
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: the lunch room, like, no, I can't help you. Now,

561
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: I could have helped you when you knew, you knew,

562
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: we could have addressed this. And so you know, that

563
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: whole thing was frustrating, but the Mountain West played it

564
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: as well as they possibly could. And the funniest thing

565
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 3: is the Mountain West president going out here on all

566
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: these talk shows talking about like, yeah, well, you know,

567
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: we might lose teams here in the future, but we

568
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: got our leverage, and you know, good good for them,

569
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 3: I guess. But since you brought up Arizona and as

570
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: them as the obvious ones moving to the Big twelve,

571
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: that that's the most obvious move. It's the looming one.

572
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: It's one Jason Cher has been talking about forever. It's

573
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: the other shoe that everyone's waiting for for to drop right,

574
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 3: and Michael Crow is the hurdle. The president of Arizona

575
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: State is the hurdle. We know this. He's been a

576
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: hurdle to several of the other things he was. He

577
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: not only stood in the way of getting rid of

578
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: Larry Scott, he praised Larry Scott when everybody else was

579
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: talking about what a failure he was. And he openly

580
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: mocked people who believed the PAC twelve was worse off for.

581
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: Having it that he was wrong. Now, well, here's the deal.

582
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: You look at what happened to San Diego State, right,

583
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: they had to swallow their pride, come back hat in hand.

584
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: This clip's gonna get cut, and I don't appreciate whoever

585
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: decides to do that. But Michael crow doesn't swallow, right,

586
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 3: that pride still in his mouth. He's not choking that down,

587
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: he's not apologizing. He still he He issued a statement

588
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 3: thanking Larry Scott for everything he did when Larry Scott

589
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: when it was announced that he was being moved on. Right,

590
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: and he is the only person to have issued a

591
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 3: statement like that. Michael Crowe does not admit when he's wrong.

592
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: Michael Crowe does not apologize in my in my experience, right, Yeah,

593
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: there's no reason for him too. He absolutely believes that that.

594
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: And here's why he believes it. So for for anybody

595
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: that thinks that he's just like an idiot, he's not.

596
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: He says, we used to have a little, Now we

597
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: have a lot. We hire Larry Scott. And if you

598
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 3: can't give Larry Scott credit for that, I can't take

599
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: credit for that. If so facto, I'm responsible for us

600
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: having more than we used to have. Larry Scott's responsible

601
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 3: for us having more than we used to have. Here's

602
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: the deal. This is like uh being happy for somebody

603
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: who went and got you water in a flood. Everybody

604
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: has a lot now, Yeah, that's the rising tide. Everybody

605
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: has a lot and had very little to do with

606
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: Larry Scott.

607
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: In fact, Larry Scott changing right.

608
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: And and it's also that attitude is the same thing

609
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: that got Larry Scott the job in the first place.

610
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: The idea that Women's Tennis quintupled its revenue over his

611
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: run as president of the WTA. No, Williams Quinn. Yeah, yeah,

612
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 3: that's like taking credit for Tiger Woods. It's like Nike,

613
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: uh saying that like that, Michael Jordan only would have

614
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 3: had success with night.

615
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 2: Like no, right, like no, he would have had success wherever.

616
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: They may not have built the brand around him like

617
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: you like you did, but yeah, so.

618
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: And this corporate America, though, is corporate America. So I'm

619
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: all for everybody when you see that, Like an assistant

620
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: coach gets hired at a football school and they were

621
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: a GA somewhere else and in their bio it's like

622
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: was part of compiling the number one recruiting class at Alabama.

623
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: Like no, they weren't. They put cones out on the field,

624
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: but like, you know, take your credit, move up, get

625
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: your job, Larry Scott got his money, you know whatever.

626
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: But Michael Crow never apologized for that. So this is

627
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: the one move. And I want to put this out

628
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: to you and see what you think about it, because

629
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: I think this could actually save Arizona State. Robert Robbins,

630
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 3: the President of Arizona, needs to go to Michael Crow

631
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: and say you go first, and then will announce that

632
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: we're following you to the Big twelve. You had a

633
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 3: good idea. They're like, hey, you know, I trust Michael

634
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: crow vision on this lowly University of Arizona will follow

635
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: the pioneers of Arizona State in the wow ULTI move.

636
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: If I'm if I'm Arizona, I'm not going for that.

637
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: I'm not I think I was gonna follow Arizona. Do

638
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 3: you think he's gonna follow Arizona.

639
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: He's going to have to, Ralph, He's gonna have to

640
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: What is the freaking alternative? I mean, this is this

641
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: is where we are. There is no alternative. The the

642
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: alternative is death. Think of think about what is the

643
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: alternative to go to the Mountain West? Is staying in

644
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: the Pac twelve? The alternative?

645
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 3: Well, you're George Reister. You sound like King George right now.

646
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: And I'm out here being Patrick Henry saying give me

647
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: liberty or give me death. I'll take death.

648
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: That's Michael Crow'll take go go go ahead, die all

649
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: by yourself, buddy, because because everybody else, I mean, honestly,

650
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: the two screws that the two schools that are screwed

651
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 2: the most, but one of them is not quite screwed

652
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: as much as everybody else, which is Stanford, because Stanford

653
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: can stand alone without football, so and they can find

654
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: their way into the Big Ten as soon as Notre

655
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: Dame eventually breaks and goes in. So like it's a

656
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: waiting game for.

657
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,000
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658
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660
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661
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: Cal. Dude, they're not good at anything right now. Like

662
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 2: nothing is attractive about Cal at this point in time

663
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 2: except the location. So they have to figure something something out.

664
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: Oregon State and Washington State. Oregon State's like you, mother,

665
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: just as soon as we get things going in our

666
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 2: athletic department, we build new facilities, we do all of this,

667
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: and then you're trying to strand us like it. So

668
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: like Cal so, Oregon State in Washington State, they got

669
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: a problem, and then you got Oregon and Washington which

670
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: are clearly attractive. The Big ten's not ready for them.

671
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: But I don't think the Big ten has a choice

672
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: right now, because if you are Washington and Oregon, what

673
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: I would say is, all right, cool, we'll join the

674
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: Big twelve. Don't worry about it. And the Big Ten's

675
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: gonna be like whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa padre whoa

676
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: whoa whoa, don't go making rash rash decisions and like no, no, no, no, no,

677
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: it's not it's not rash. You said you're not ready,

678
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: so we'll either go to the ACC or to be twelve.

679
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. We're not We're not. We're not

680
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: begging you to do this.

681
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 3: Everything we've heard about CAL is they need that direct

682
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: depositive hit. So if the PAC twelve comes back and says, oh,

683
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: it's only twenty two million dollars for school, Cal's gonna

684
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: be like only.

685
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: You know, hey, where where do we send the routing instructions?

686
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, And the funniest thing about that is, uh,

687
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: and I'm not sure if these numbers are exact, but

688
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: I think they're pretty close. Next year, Aaron Rodgers Calalum

689
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 3: and Jaylen Brown Calilum are going to make a combined

690
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty eight million dollars in twenty twenty four.

691
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: They need to be hitting up some these salon.

692
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: For for some Hell, hey, hey, yo, we get about

693
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: ten mi to play out about.

694
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: Get a ten mil prep say hey, we'll play in

695
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: the Big Ten one year for free, and and Jaylen

696
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: Brown will kick in ten mil just to keep us alive.

697
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: Dude. So it just it just sucks because Okay, so

698
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: what do you think at the end of the day

699
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 2: when when the dust settles, because this dust is going

700
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: to settle pretty quickly because it has to. It has to.

701
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't go into halfway through football season

702
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: and you have eight teams still fluttering for twenty twenty four.

703
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: Everybody's going to choose up pretty quickly. They are going

704
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: to make a decision because waiting it like you literally

705
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 2: cannot wait any longer. Because there is lead times on

706
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: all of these. There's lead times on getting into the conference,

707
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: on branding, there's lead times on all of this. So

708
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: unless you are I mean, of course, people will burn

709
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: the midnight oil if they need to, but you're gonna

710
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: be left with a rinky dink product and presentation. Because

711
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: it takes a long time to like enter a team

712
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: into a conference and to integrate them into said said conference.

713
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: The athletic directors have to get to know each other,

714
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: the travel partners, the hotel like, There's a lot of

715
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: stuff that plays into this. And I believe that within

716
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: the next thirty sixty days at the very most, that

717
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: this will be over, that there will be some peace

718
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: for until the acc breaks up.

719
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: All right, So let's run it. I'll start at the top.

720
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: I'll name the team. You tell me where you think

721
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 3: they'll be in two months or where they'll be headed,

722
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: the direction they'll be heading Arizona.

723
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: Big twelve by the it won't even be in two

724
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 2: months by the end of the week.

725
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 3: Do you think that George Klafkoff is rehearsing his speech

726
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: in the mirror right now? What advice would you have

727
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: to George Klafkoff about the speech he's gonna try to

728
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: give to save this conference? Should go to bed early?

729
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no no. He needs to look disheveled,

730
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: like he like he made every single call and be like,

731
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: who's coming with me?

732
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: Besides Flipper? Here? Who is Flipper in this scenario? Who's Flipper?

733
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: And who's Dorothy? Who are the two teams that are

734
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: like die Hard Packed twelve? No matter?

735
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: What?

736
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: Is that? ASU and Utah?

737
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: Nah? I would say it's got to be Washington. I

738
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: don't know who needs it more Washington State, Oregon State,

739
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: cal or or Yeah, yeah, I think they need it

740
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: the most. I think Arizona and Utah are the most committed.

741
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: You know what?

742
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: I would watch like that they want to be the

743
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: most committed.

744
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: I would watch a Pack two or Tupac or however

745
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: you want to say it. Asu and Utah play nine

746
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: times and then they play one more time in the

747
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: Rose Bowl.

748
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: Man, you made me cough until I almost fainted.

749
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: I would watch. I don't know if i'd have a

750
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: podcast about it, but i'd watch. Okay, so you said

751
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: Arizona Big twelve, Arizona State Big twelve. Okay, cal.

752
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 2: Homeless?

753
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: You anything Mountain West or anything?

754
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they may have to go to the Mountain West.

755
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: But like that just feels oh yuck. Oh god.

756
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: What if the Mountain West told them, okay, but you're

757
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: only going to get a partial share in twenty twenty

758
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: fo Oh my god.

759
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 2: I would go to the American then and from them.

760
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: If you're going to give me a parcel of parcel share,

761
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: I'm a double bird.

762
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: You do you think that cal actually the lifeline that

763
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: keeps them alive is that they're in the most recruiting

764
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: rich state in the country in my opinion, Yes, so

765
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: that somebody would want them just to have the footprint

766
00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: in California.

767
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then somebody can be like, Okay, well we can,

768
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: we can. We can make this work as long as

769
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: Woolcox can get it done. And we find an appropriate

770
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: basketball coach, we'll be all right.

771
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 3: If you're the Big twelve, would you rather have a

772
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 3: third team in California or Arizona?

773
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: Wait? A third team? How did how'd you get two?

774
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: Oh? My bad, my bad, my bad?

775
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: Would you like how'd you get?

776
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: Ten?

777
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: The Big Twelve? Uh? So, would you rather have a

778
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: team in California or a team in Arizona?

779
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: Well, Arizona's more of a fit. It's geographically.

780
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: But if you pulled I'm saying, if you polled the

781
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,959
Speaker 3: current Big Twelve coaches.

782
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: Oh, they would rather have Arizona because then they get

783
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: Arizona basketball.

784
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: That's fair. Okay, So Cal homeless? What about Oregon State?

785
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

786
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: Where wherever Cal ends up? So the mount West.

787
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: I don't think every Mountain West team has baseball? It

788
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 3: would be it'd be rough on a couple of sports.

789
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, for sure. Gosh, can you imagine Oregon State?

790
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give up baseball?

791
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no way, There's no way, Larry Scott. Oh,

792
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: they would oh their their fans would be sending out

793
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: hate mail. They would be sure.

794
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 3: Yep, Okay, uh, let's go Utah.

795
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: Big twelve.

796
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: Would you would you do you think that there's any

797
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: chance in hell that the Big Ten, like trying to

798
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: become thanos would include Utah in trying to bring in

799
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 3: Washington and Oregon.

800
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: Possibly only because see here, here's what I believe. I

801
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: believe that we are on a race to a two

802
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: team super conference and that they're not ready to get

803
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 2: there yet, but this accelerator is getting pushed so that

804
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: there's this and then the ACC has to break up.

805
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: And then once you go from there, whoever gets out

806
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: of the SEC and the Big Ten accumulate accumulates the

807
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 2: most power. That's who is going to end up the

808
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: commissioner of college football. So you're I believe that there's

809
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: either going to be two scenarios for this, that you're

810
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: either going to have two a East and a West,

811
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: the north to south of an American and national whatever

812
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: it is that you that you call it. So you're

813
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: similar to the NFL where you have two conferences that

814
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: were made up of the SEC and the Big Ten,

815
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: and then the winner of those and the way that

816
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: they do their tournament and the whole thing that the

817
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: those two teams will play for the national championship.

818
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: You know, the most frustrating thing about this is it's

819
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: not like people are broke. Nope, No, this is like

820
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 3: people who are like, I'm getting administrators, and it has

821
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 3: nothing to do with the athletes. I'm getting twenty million dollars.

822
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: I have to expand because you expand or die. That's

823
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: the that's the capitalist mindset, right, expand or die. And

824
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: I want to get twenty five million dollars, and in

825
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 3: order to go from twenty to twenty five, I will

826
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: stir the whole pot. And that's the most annoying thing

827
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: about all this is it's not like people are broke.

828
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: Because the problem is other people are getting richer around

829
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 2: you and you're not. So now your ability to do

830
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: the things that you once did is now minimized. So

831
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: if if you your neighbors instead of so, if all

832
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: you guys were making the same amount of money and

833
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 2: now everybody else around you is making instead of you

834
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: making twenty dollars a year, everybody making twenty dollars a year,

835
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: your neighbors are now making fifty fifty dollars a year.

836
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: And so that explain to me how that incentivizes expansion. Though,

837
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: wouldn't the teams that are making fifty sixty million dollars

838
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: a year, say like, screw you guys, why would why

839
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 3: would you include them? Why?

840
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: Because the alternative is is that somebody else can take them,

841
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: which then they can increase their pot and now they'll

842
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: be making seventy while they're stuck at fifty. It's just

843
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: an accumulation of power to be rich and scared. Yep.

844
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: Very weird, very weird. There's a lot of poor people

845
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 3: out there that don't even know what they don't have.

846
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, and they are sitting here like, yo, what

847
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: you're what you're what you're not going to do is

848
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: take all of our stuff because because if you have

849
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: said and we have fifty, now you can take our stuff.

850
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: Now you can take our coaches, you can take our

851
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 2: players or recruits, you can you can take the things

852
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: that we covet.

853
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it just what it tells me is like

854
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: there's a type of person in this world that I

855
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 3: can't identify with, and it's the people who are sad

856
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 3: about the size of their yacht. I have nothing in

857
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 3: common with you. It's very hard to identify with you.

858
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: But there's a belief that you're going to Yeah, but

859
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna lose your yacht. You will you will lose

860
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: your yacht in this in this scenario, because yes you will,

861
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 2: because would.

862
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: Just chill know, you wouldn't somebody else would just have

863
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 3: a bigger yacht than you.

864
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: That means that.

865
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 3: But the American Conference isn't going away, the Mountain West

866
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: Conference isn't going away. Some form of these will exist.

867
00:52:52,680 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, until until you end up with until you end

868
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 2: up with either what I was saying, an American International Conference,

869
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: which will be the Big ten in the SEC, or

870
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 2: you're gonna end up with one super conference. I mean

871
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: it pretty much looks the exact same same way. And

872
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: then you end up with a big tournament and there

873
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: will be a commissioner, there will be a leader. And

874
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 2: that's what the arms race is about, between the Big

875
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: ten and the SEC. And the craziest part about this

876
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: is that the butterfly effect is had the PAC twelve

877
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: given the Texas the Big Ten, the Big twelve network,

878
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, the Longhorn Network. Had they allowed that, you

879
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: would have had Oklahoma and Texas in the PAC twelve,

880
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: which would have led to a different expansion. And then

881
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 2: Larry Scott might not even screw this whole thing up.

882
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: Never never mind, he screws it up in every alternate universe.

883
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: So say, so, what's that Marvel calls that a cannon event. Yes,

884
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: things you can't change. Yes, Larry Scott's gonna screw it up.

885
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: So then you have Oregon and Washington left, and I

886
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: think that they're only I mean, their only options are

887
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: to beg to get into Big ten right now, or

888
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: you try to do some sort of scheduling agreement half

889
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 2: independent scheduling agreement with the ACC right now.

890
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 3: This all this reminds me of is that Lewis c

891
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: k bit where he's like everything is wonderful and nobody's happy.

892
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: Damn.

893
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that people should be holding still, but

894
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 3: like nobody's taking stock of the fact that, like to

895
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 3: quote Michael Crowe, we used to have a little. Now

896
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 3: we have a lot, Like yep, and everybody's just chill

897
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 3: for a second. But and also to go back to

898
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 3: this is a thing like if I don't upgrade, I

899
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 3: have no hope at a national championship, Well, guess what.

900
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 3: You have no hope in a national championship. And the

901
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: stuff that makes you think that you do is like

902
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: Cincinnati getting into the playoff and that's real cute and everything,

903
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 3: but like, really, really it should be the love and

904
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: the joy of the game, and your I don't know,

905
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go into something the same speech that got

906
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: Jim McGuire fired, But like it really should be football

907
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 3: for the sake of football. You do your best to

908
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 3: do your best with the resources you get, which are plentiful,

909
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: which are more than anyone has ever had. And so

910
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 3: what if Alabama's out here winning national championships. Not everybody

911
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: could be Alabama. In the Pac twelve, there were really

912
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: only two teams that have a shot to be Alabama

913
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 3: and three to four other teams that had a chance

914
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 3: to be Cincinnati. Right. Washington has shown that they that

915
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 3: they've they've done it twice, that they have that chance.

916
00:55:55,080 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 3: Arizona State has shown that they're one one victory away

917
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: in Rudy Carpenter's junior year and in twenty fifteen away

918
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: from being that Cincinnati. Like they probably wouldn't have done

919
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,479
Speaker 3: anything at the playoff level, but they were within reach.

920
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 3: The powerhouses are really Oregon and USC and then you

921
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 3: have a few with an outside shot like a UCLA

922
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 3: and an ASU and a you know not not that

923
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: those teams all perform up to part of a single year.

924
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 3: There's a year that Washington went winless, right, but like

925
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 3: that they have the resources, Yeah, and they have the

926
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 3: backing to be able to do something like that. You know,

927
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 3: most teams are hoping for a Bowl and they're hoping

928
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: just to get a couple of guys at to that

929
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 3: NFL level and to keep things going on, you know,

930
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 3: And we on this podcast route for that, and we

931
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 3: celebrate that. We celebrate what Oregon State's doing right now.

932
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: We would have been all in and I still am

933
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 3: excited for what Colorado and Shador Sanders and and and

934
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 3: you know, you know, and Dion and everybody you know

935
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 3: is putting together for this fine year of pact to

936
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 3: a football really feels like final year or whatever.

937
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk

938
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at

939
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,360
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940
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,240
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941
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: Hey, so before we get up out of here, though,

942
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: full quote from Dan Lanning on his reaction to Colorado

943
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: leaving the conference. Mind you, He's last year was his

944
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: first season here. Not a big reaction. I'm trying to

945
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember what they want to affect this conference,

946
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: and I don't remember. Do you remember them winning anything?

947
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: I don't remember them winning anything. See, I think that

948
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: that is I think that that's the appropriate take, But

949
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't think that it is the like that that

950
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: it's also the surface legs take.

951
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: What a quote like that tells me that that Oregon's

952
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 3: probably not gonna follow Colorado or the Big twelve, because

953
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 3: then that would be a big e cro moment, right.

954
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, See, I think that a lot of it had that,

955
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: because I've heard people say a lot Well, what difference

956
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: does that make? The is that a team that's been

957
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: bad they're leaving the conference? Well, Rutgers leaving the Big

958
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: ten is a is a big deal, you hear me,

959
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: because you because anytime you lose a school, what is

960
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: your replacement value? Now, the Big ten can replace Rutgers

961
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: easily with an upgrade, you hear me, with an upgrade.

962
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: Problem with the PAC twelve is right now, you can't

963
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 2: replace Colorado with an upgrade, so you actually lose money

964
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: by losing Colorado.

965
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 3: Well, was it Canzano that supposedly got an anonymous quote

966
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 3: that say the PAC twelve is going to look for

967
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: a way to upgrade or was that.

968
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: Wilner oh one, well, oh, that that they were going

969
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: to try to trade up, that they were going to

970
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 2: try to trade group.

971
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: Said that they're gonna try to trade up.

972
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: Who the fuck are you going to trade up with? Ralph?

973
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: I mean, like, like, who are you going to trade

974
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: up with? Because you can't trade up with anybody because

975
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: you have the least you you cannot trade up.

976
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 3: True. Two questions though, and this is I because I

977
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: got mad about this quote in the beginning, and then

978
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I guess if they doubled back

979
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 3: on San Diego State, san Diego State athletically is actually

980
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 3: an upgrade, no trade up, no sense somebody, maybe not

981
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: for the sake of like getting TV money in but athletically, sure,

982
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: if you put San Diego State, because if you put

983
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: San Diego State up against Colorado over the last ten years,

984
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 3: and they were the teams to play each other every

985
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 3: single time, san Diego State's winning nine of those ten

986
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 3: games every single.

987
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: In football, No, san Diego State has been beating up

988
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: on the Pac twelve for the last said. Okay, yes,

989
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: but they went to the.

990
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 3: National championship in basketball, last year. They're absolutely an athletic

991
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 3: upgrade over Colorado. Here's why Dan Lanning is allowed to

992
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: kick Colorado and the ass on the way out the door.

993
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: They have played nine times. Oregon and Colorado played nine

994
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 3: times since Colorado joined the pack.

995
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: I think Colorado's won once, maybe.

996
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 3: Once in twenty sixteen. But here's the deal. In all

997
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 3: eight wins, Colorado scored forty or more. There are multiple

998
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: forty point wins, multiple forty point wins. One of the

999
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 3: reasons that Colorado came to their senses about not belonging

1000
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 3: in the PAC twelve is because they have to play Oregon.

1001
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 3: I wish I was, like I try to be funny

1002
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 3: and entertaining on this podcast sometimes right now, but like

1003
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 3: this is this is Colorado's Oh, by the way, they

1004
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 3: play September twenty third this year. I can't wait for

1005
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: that game.

1006
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: Bredey are gonna get their doors knocked though.

1007
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: One of the first things. So like all the Colorado

1008
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 3: fans that came out to their first home game against

1009
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 3: Oregon back in twenty eleven, their first home game against Oregon,

1010
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 3: you know they were excited. They get to see the

1011
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 3: Ducks come to Boulder. It's the first time that they've

1012
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 3: hosted the Ducks in Boulder since nineteen eighty seven, back

1013
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 3: when Colorado was actually the shit.

1014
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, but but but we did play Colorado when

1015
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: Colorado was the shit in two thousand and one in

1016
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: the Fiesta Bowl and dog walked into right.

1017
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: But I'm talking about just just in the regular season, right, Like,

1018
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 3: you get to host them, and you get to do

1019
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 3: it at fulsome Field forty five to two, forty five

1020
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 3: to two. So then you got a regroup and be like,

1021
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 3: oh my god, we got to go to Eugene next year.

1022
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: We learned our lesson, we know what the PAC twelve

1023
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 3: is all about. So let's go to Eugene. Let's regroup,

1024
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 3: let's recapture some of our pride. Maybe we won't win,

1025
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: but it's not going to be forty five to two.

1026
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 3: And you know what happened to him seventy to fourteen.

1027
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 3: So then you're like, shit, this PEC twelve stuff is

1028
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 3: for real. Hey, but we get them at Folsome in

1029
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen. They're coming back here. We're not gonna let

1030
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 3: something like that happening in fifty seven to sixteen. So

1031
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: then in twenty fourteen, you're like, oh my god, if

1032
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 3: I was a freshman in twenty eleven, this is my

1033
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 3: last chance to do anything that shows I have any

1034
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: level of respect for myself in this uniform, To play

1035
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 3: for Ralfie, to play for the memory of Slash right,

1036
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 3: like to do something to just show that you have

1037
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 3: any pridle forty four to ten. That the reason Colorado

1038
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 3: is leaving, Like, yeah, yeah, it's for the money, like

1039
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 3: I said, so, they can get ten million per football

1040
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 3: win per year in the Big twelve. But a big

1041
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 3: reason is they never fit here. In twenty nineteen pre pandemic,

1042
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 3: with a decent squad, they lost forty five to three

1043
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 3: in Eugene last year, last year Dan Lanning's first crack

1044
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 3: at playing against Colorado. Yeah, forty nine to ten at

1045
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 3: Folsom Like Colorado doesn't belong in the Pac twelve, and

1046
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 3: they would have struggled in the Mountain West. They would have.

1047
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: They would have struggled in that they see. I actually

1048
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: think that they're gonna have a better chance of doing

1049
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: well in the Big tit in the Big twelve than

1050
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,919
Speaker 2: they are in the Pac twelve because you you having

1051
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: to play Oregon, Utah and Washington and so USC Washington,

1052
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 2: Oregon and uh utah in the PAC twelve every year. Bro,

1053
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 2: that's yeah, you were, you were, You're swimming in the

1054
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 2: deep end.

1055
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 3: My favorite thing about that last year's game, by the way,

1056
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 3: is the only guy that scored a touchdown. And you

1057
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 3: and I talked about it right after we talked about

1058
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 3: the PAC twelve apostles Jordan Tyson, and I was like,

1059
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 3: I told you he was gonna be beast, and he

1060
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 3: showed up in that game. He got eighty one yard touchdown,

1061
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 3: comes in and he's like, I don't think this dude

1062
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 3: can play for me. He's gone. Now, good luck Colorado, man.

1063
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 3: I know talent is destiny, and I know they got

1064
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,439
Speaker 3: better players now, But like you have in the same

1065
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 3: way that when USC left, you turn heel on USC

1066
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 3: on this podcast and in real life, I don't I

1067
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 3: wish Colorado the best in the Big twelve, but it's

1068
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 3: not gonna hurt my feelings when the results this year

1069
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: look like the results last year not at all. Yeah, okay,

1070
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 3: And I don't blame them. I get it.

1071
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 2: I get it.

1072
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 3: It's bad and everyone's gonna have to leave and they

1073
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: look like geniuses for doing it first or whatever.

1074
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: But and your guy the guys that you sent me

1075
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: at m h v er three.

1076
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the big twelve connected guy that always talks about

1077
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 3: who's leaving and stuff.

1078
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 2: He's actually been very right about a lot of stuff. Yeah, yes, Okay,

1079
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 2: so he just tweeted out being told that George Khliakov

1080
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: has an honest to god term sheet to present to

1081
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: Pack twelve presidents tomorrow. Presidents that are on the Pack

1082
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: twelve Media Committee are already aware of what these terms are.

1083
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: I can't say much, but I will say that they

1084
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 2: are not good. And I will say that most of

1085
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 2: what's being presented has already been shared by me in

1086
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: the older tweets. Presidents forced George khliakoff to put an

1087
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 2: offer on the table, and there's only been one actual

1088
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: offer far enough along to get terms on.

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01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 3: The real pop problem right now in George Klafkov needs

1090
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 3: to make a phone call because there is somebody out

1091
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 3: there with a pension for overpaying and he needs to

1092
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 3: call up Elon Musk if he can get through.

1093
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,959
Speaker 2: Like, hey, bro, you can buy the pack for sixty dollars.

1094
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,479
Speaker 3: Right and you can stream it on Twitter, which would

1095
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 3: actually be good. That would actually be good. I guess

1096
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 3: Twitter doesn't exist. Anymore or whatever, so you could stream

1097
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 3: it on.

1098
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: Stream it on X That actually might be reasonable.

1099
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,959
Speaker 3: It's the only play because Elon like, first of all,

1100
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 3: Elon Musk paid eight nine times more yeah what Twitter

1101
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 3: was worth? Yeah yeah, eight or nine times more than

1102
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 3: he should have.

1103
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: So actually, and and he's like that meme, I'll do

1104
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 2: it again.

1105
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I mean, if this man will put Tucker

1106
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 3: Carlson on streaming on Twitter, maybe we'll put the Pac

1107
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 3: twelve on Twitter too. Equally bad products sometimes, So I

1108
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know.

1109
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: I should put me in charge of the Back twelve.

1110
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 2: I would have got us out of this mess. I

1111
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: promise you. I would have got us out of this mess, or.

1112
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 3: Your failures at least would have been more fun. You're

1113
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 3: not shot.

1114
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 2: I would have got us up out of here. I

1115
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 2: would have got us. I would have went, dude, think

1116
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: of think about a year ago. Think think about this

1117
01:06:54,240 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 2: a little over a year ago. George Khliakov, the resident

1118
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: of the ACC and oh god, what was his name?

1119
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 2: The president of the Big ten. Kevin Warren, yes, Kevin

1120
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 2: Warren all sat up there and was like, yes, we

1121
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 2: got the alliance, baby, the Alliance.

1122
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: We laughed at that at the time.

1123
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 2: Bro that might be the biggest Oh my god, Broke,

1124
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: you didn't realize how big dopes that we look right that?

1125
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 2: How big of dopes? The back twelve looks right now?

1126
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 3: It looks bad then? And am I'm remembering this incorrectly?

1127
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 3: Let me know? But didn't they announce the alliance and

1128
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: then USC like immediately announced home and Home with Alabama

1129
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 3: or something like that because SEC wasn't part of it.

1130
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: No, no, the SEC wasn't. But yeah, s he announced

1131
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: something and then they announced that they were audios.

1132
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 3: Bro all right, I promised people. I promised people that

1133
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 3: would read their tweets aloud. Answering the question, you believe

1134
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 3: the conference will survive? Okay, so on your reaction to

1135
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 3: some of these at Brandon Underscore SV one of my

1136
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 3: favorite followers on Twitter, he says, I don't. At this point,

1137
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 3: it's just a matter of which podcaster creates the at

1138
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 3: Broke Pack Mountain Apostles handle first. All right, Jan Grande,

1139
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 3: who lives out here in Charlotte with me big ASU

1140
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 3: fan literally bit like big dude, he says, Lol. Nope,

1141
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 3: I'm guessing there have been plenty of member schools and

1142
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 3: talks with other landing places in case the number comes

1143
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 3: back super low, which beyond let's be honest, it.

1144
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: Will Yes, Yes, everybody who's been waiting on this TV

1145
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: deal has known it's not going to be is not

1146
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 2: going to move the needle at all.

1147
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 3: So at Dominic to Coco, which is an incredible reference

1148
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 3: Dominic to Coco, he says, I'm hoping the conference dies

1149
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 3: Oregon to be forced to leave it. I'm I'm I'm

1150
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 3: assuming you don't want it in that order, you know,

1151
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want running from the explosion. You

1152
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 3: want that if.

1153
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: That's if that's what it comes to, Bro, because I

1154
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 2: don't think that Oregon would would would leave except for

1155
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: the explosion.

1156
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 3: Right now, okay? Uh? Nate Rice at Mulchcast, Nate says, Nope.

1157
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 3: If I were a conference thing about inviting Adsu to join,

1158
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 3: I would be very cautious because I feel like we

1159
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 3: have the most blood armands. I wouldn't want the crow

1160
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 3: Ray combination, Bro, Bro, that is an explosive combination combination

1161
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 3: of Yeah.

1162
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 2: That is a I mean, it's like whatever either one

1163
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 2: of them suggests to do, do the opposite. That's why

1164
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 2: I would keep them around.

1165
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 3: And then here we go. Todd Busso says, nope, I

1166
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 3: have a feeling Colorado saw TV numbers and that was

1167
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 3: the final straw. Also hard to survive when Big ten

1168
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 3: covers four times, SEC is in three and Big twelve

1169
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 3: is in three. The PAC twelve doesn't have the reach

1170
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 3: for favorable kickoff times and are relegated to ten pm

1171
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 3: Eastern time slots.

1172
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: So much truth there, so much truth there.

1173
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 3: So what about an ACC PAC twelve merger? Does that?

1174
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even think that's on the table.

1175
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 4: It's too late. It's too late, too, it is too late.

1176
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:37,520
Speaker 4: It's too late. The PAC twelve has no time. Arizona

1177
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 4: is not going to wait on you to get a

1178
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 4: deal with the ACC. You should have done that immediately

1179
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 4: when you when you weren't getting favorable information back from

1180
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 4: TV networks, you should have been like, ACC, your gr

1181
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 4: But the ACC may not be open to it because

1182
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 4: as soon as they break their gor then the floodgates

1183
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,440
Speaker 4: are gonna open, because as soon as teams can get out,

1184
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 4: they're all the teams in the ACC.

1185
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 2: Would uh would say yeah cool, like yeah, let's do it.

1186
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 2: G R broken, bam we free baby, no double bird

1187
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 2: F you we out of here. Sec Big ten, here

1188
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: we come.

1189
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 3: So if you're the Big ten and you're looking at

1190
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 3: Washington or Oregon and getting even more of a stranglehold

1191
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 3: in the Pacific time zone, or you have the opportunity

1192
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 3: to bring on Clemson and Florida State, what do you do?

1193
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I I am bringing on. I need both of them.

1194
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: I need all. I need it all, yep, I need

1195
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 2: all four.

1196
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 3: I like the I like the way you think you

1197
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 3: think big. I don't know. I'm I'm for it. Though,

1198
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 3: if there's a way in the next twelve hours for

1199
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 3: George Kleafkoff to to find a way to give us

1200
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 3: the sun Bowl every single week, get us some some

1201
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 3: NC state asun l passo every week, whatever, I do

1202
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 3: want the pac twelve to survive.

1203
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 2: Stop, dude, your your suffering is rooted in in your hope.

1204
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 3: I'm not suffering though I did. I we done suffered.

1205
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 3: We suffered. I suffered paying sixty bucks a month to

1206
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 3: Sling for the last five years for one channel so

1207
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 3: that I could be on the East coast watching Oregon

1208
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 3: State Washington State kickoff at eleven forty five at night.

1209
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 3: That was my suffering. I have paid. I am I

1210
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 3: have ascended. I'm no longer suffering. I just want I'm

1211
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 3: allowed to want the PAC twelve to I'm allowed to

1212
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 3: want the PAC twelve to exist.

1213
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you you are allowed to want that.

1214
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with wrong with there's nothing wrong with wanting.

1215
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: So so congratulations.

1216
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 3: I really want to be in this meeting tomorrow so bad.

1217
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 3: And you know it's not in person.

1218
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 2: Probably nope, no, no nose, George, George klearop is probably dude,

1219
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 2: everybody's not flying to They're like, we're not wasting our

1220
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 2: private jet money. Put it up, put it on zoom, bro,

1221
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 2: put it, put it up, put it on zoom. And

1222
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 2: then I bet you about ten cameras like go off

1223
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 2: for a second. Well they're sorry, there aren't ten ten cameras.

1224
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 2: If I bet you, at least five of them go off,

1225
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 2: and while they're cussing at somebody room like this mother,

1226
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,799
Speaker 2: I got this over here, like all right, hey, all right, George,

1227
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 2: thanks man, appreciate it. We gotta go. We got another

1228
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 2: zoom right now, go as soon as he puts up

1229
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 2: the numbers and goes through the terms. All right, hey, George, George, George, George,

1230
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 2: thanks man. We appreciate it. All right, we gotta go.

1231
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,759
Speaker 3: Isn't there any give give me any reason why George

1232
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: Kleafkov shouldn't go into this meeting tomorrow as lit as

1233
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 3: Denzel Washington in the movie Flight. No, Nope, you're saying

1234
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 3: there's no hope. He might as well. He might as

1235
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 3: well hit the mini bottles in the hotel, throw an

1236
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 3: eight ball in there. He might as well make the

1237
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 3: meeting exciting. If you're saying there's no shot, might as

1238
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 3: well make it memorable.

1239
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 2: Bro, I It's it's over, Ralph, it's over, Like can

1240
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 2: you get it? The no more, no more hope, stop

1241
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 2: stop pedaling hope to the people, stop pedaling hope. This

1242
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 2: is this is over, like this podcast is over, and

1243
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 2: we and we will be back next week, people, We

1244
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:53,799
Speaker 2: will be back.

1245
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 3: The final season of Fact on football.

1246
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got we are. We're gonna sell quarterbacks.

1247
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 3: We got the best quarterbacks in the entire country, and

1248
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 3: we fumbled the bag.

1249
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 2: Oh my god, hey baby, we are in the right place.

1250
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 2: It's it's all right.

1251
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 3: I'm sad now, yeah, yep, it's okay.

1252
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: It's okay. All right, everybody week it's going to be

1253
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 2: sad because it because it's over.

1254
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 3: Pack happened season four. We are out of eligibility. We

1255
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 3: got some senior witis.

1256
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly all right. We will catch you guys next

1257
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 2: week