1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: It is now officially open. This is Draft Season presented 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: by Moody's, a proud partner of the New York Giants. Dcode, Risk, 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Unlock Opportunity. Learn more in Moodies dot com. Hello everybody, 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: John Schmoke, Tony Pauline with you. Hope you guys are 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: doing well as we get ready for the Shrine Bowl 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: and the Senior Bowl. Tony, how you doing? Man? 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: Okay? 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: Up late last night watching the game, although I mean 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: you kind of knew early on which way the game 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: was going to and who the victor of the game 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: was gonna be. I think Ohio State kept Notre Dame 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 3: in that game a little a little bit longer than 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 3: they should have been, but it was, you know, what 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: we expected. And we'll talk about the game, and like 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 3: you leaving for Shrine Bowl practices this coming Friday. 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely and to couse. You can find all Tony's work 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: at sports Keida dot com. Check it out. Yeah, And 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: this what we'll do today, folks. We're gonna do the 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: review the National Championship Game. A lot of these guys 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: we've talked about it already, so we don't want to 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: spend too much time on that. It's gonna be a 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: little repetitive from prior shows. We're gonna talk about some 23 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: of the undergrads that are heading into both Shrine and 24 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Then we're gonna do our Shrine preview today 25 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: and then next Monday, that's the day Tony and I 26 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: are both traveling from Frisco to Mobile. Then our Senior 27 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: Bowl preview is going to land. The video will just 28 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: be Senior World Preview, but then the audio is gonna 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: include our reaction to the two days of Shrine Bowl 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: practice as well. We'll probably record that at some point 31 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon, is my guest. So stay tuned all 32 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: of that. That's what's coming around Draft season, really busy 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: time of year. We can't wait to get down there 34 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: and lay eyes on these guys in person and see 35 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: what they can do. All right, Tony, So let's get 36 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: to a national championship game. Last night you made it. 37 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: You know, I never really thought that game was in doubt. 38 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: There was never any question that, frankly, Notre Dames defense 39 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: was gonna be able to slow down Ohio State's offense 40 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: in that game. And I think you just saw the 41 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: difference in talent quite frankly, between the two teams. 42 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: I think the only thing that slowed down the Ohio 43 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: State offense was Ohio State and some of the play calling. 44 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: I mean they kept running Will Howard on quarterback sneaks 45 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: when you had quin Shawn Jenkins back there, who had 46 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: had a terrific game. Oh, he was great the way 47 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 3: the way both he and Treyvon Henderson, who had a 48 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: big run early in the game, play off of each other. 49 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: But I think you know, from a scouting perspective, you 50 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: have to like what you saw from both of the quarterbacks. 51 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: First you start with Riley Leonard. I mean that first drive, 52 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: a nine minute drive. They used the run to set 53 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: up the pass, and the runs were from Riley Leonard. 54 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: And then even late in the game, when you thought 55 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: there's no way Notre Dame's gonna come back, bad interference 56 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: call appenalty on David igman Nosen, who's had a ton 57 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: of him this year. Riley Leonard keeps Notre game in 58 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: the game. I don't think he played masterfully, but I 59 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: think that's what is going to elevate him into the 60 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: second day of the draft. I said it last week. 61 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: We'll go, you know, we'll see what happens if he 62 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: plays in the Senior Bowl. He's scheduled, but you know, 63 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: if he's banged up, he may not show up. But 64 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: I think when you look at the athleticism, the arm strength, 65 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: and just the leadership in tangibles because he basically he 66 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: was that offense last night because the offensive line was 67 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: banged up, the running game was banged up, and it 68 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 3: was all on his shoulders and he performed relatively well. 69 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: And you know he's got the upside because you know 70 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 3: he's got the athleticism. So you know, you go back 71 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: to our talk with Jim Nagy when we had Jim 72 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 3: on about a month ago to preview the Senior Ball, 73 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 3: and Jim agreed that, you know, Riley Leonard, if he's 74 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: not the fastest rising quarterback, is one of the two 75 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: players at the position that is rising faster than anybody else. 76 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: Now, I'm with you one hundred percent, and I thought 77 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: both Ohio State running backs, Antoni, you gotta mentioned in 78 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: your first answer, you know, Jumkins showed that kind of 79 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: the quickness between the tackles, Henderson showed off the speed. 80 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: Your thoughts on those two guys, and out of curiosity, 81 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: which one do you think those first on draft weekend. 82 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: I like Trayvon Henderson because he does so many things well, 83 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: because he's such an exceptional pass catcher out of the backfield, 84 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: he's such a big play threat. Depends on what you're 85 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: looking for Henderson does. I think Henderson is more what 86 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: the NFL wants in a running back today. But if 87 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: you are in that late second, early third round area 88 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: and you want that featured runner, you're looking for that 89 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: guy that could potentially be your quote unquote number one 90 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: running back, You're gonna look towards Jenkins. If you want 91 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: the guy that you know you're gonna rotate in and 92 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 3: out of the lineup, third down specialist, put him on 93 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 3: first down, throw the ball to him out out of 94 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 3: the backfield, You're gonna go towards three one Henderson. Now, 95 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: Henderson does have a lot of injuries which you're gonna 96 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: have to be checked out through the combine process. I 97 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 3: think it's what you're looking for. I lean towards Henderson, 98 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: although I understand the love towards. 99 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: Judkins absolutely, And there's one of the guy in on 100 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: how to state that that I want to mention JT 101 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: TOOMLAUI I thought during these four playoff games. Tony and 102 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: we talked about m during the year, and again, solid player, 103 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: didn't really bump his stock at all. Probably solid, you know, 104 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: second round type of player. Maybe in this draft they'll 105 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: sneak into the back end of the first But in 106 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: his four playoff games, twenty pressures, ten tackles for loss, 107 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: six and a half sacks, one forced fumble, good against 108 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: the run. He really put an explanation point, I think 109 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: on his season with the way he played through these 110 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 1: college football playoffs. 111 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: Very athletic, and I think why I'm disappointed in him 112 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 3: is because I saw the film last year and I 113 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: expected more from him during the regular season. I mean, 114 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: he's not just a pen your ears type of guy 115 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 3: and rush up the field defensive end. He makes plays 116 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: out into space. He'll get down the line of scrimmage 117 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: and make plays against the run. Obviously, he's always been 118 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: known as a good pass rusher. So I think, what's 119 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 3: gonna happen go back to the Combine. When you have 120 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: those Combine interviews, they're gonna say to him, well, why 121 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: don't you play the whole season like he played during 122 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: the four games of the playoffs. What went on there? 123 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: Are also going to say, you know, mention my guy, 124 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: Tyler Williams. I think team tuy Milowe and even Sawyer 125 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 3: to an extent had success because they Tyler Williams was 126 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 3: consistently commanding double teams in the middle of the line. 127 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: He was consistently getting pressure, he was consistently forcing the 128 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: quarterback to move around, which I think made toy mal 129 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: Is and Sawyer's life a little bit easier, jobs a 130 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 3: little bit easier. But yeah, I mean I agree with you. 131 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: I mean, touy Miloa, Sawyer, and Tyler Williams have all 132 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: really up their game, uh in the four game play 133 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: or the four games they played during the CFP playoffs. 134 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: All right, anything else jump out of you from this 135 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,679 Speaker 1: game or just the final football we're gonna see Tony 136 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: in terms of real college football this year. You want 137 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: to get out there before we jump over to the 138 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: other classmen. 139 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: You know. Will Howard's another interesting one. Played incredibly well yesterday, 140 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: made a couple of big time passes. We'll get more. 141 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: I'll get him more when we get to the senior ball. 142 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: But he's got the arm, he's got the physical skills, 143 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: doesn't really move his head from the primary receiver quick enough, 144 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: which is a concern. 145 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: You know. 146 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 3: I talked about how in the game against Texas he 147 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 3: made a lot of dangerous throws. In the Cotton Bowl. 148 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: You didn't see that yesterday. I mean, he made some 149 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 3: really outstanding throws. And it's gonna be interesting because you know, 150 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: like Riley Leonard, he's a big guy with the next 151 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: level arm who can make all the throws, and somebody 152 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: may fall in love with him and take him earlier 153 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: in the draft because you're gonna say, hey, this guy's 154 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: got all the physical tools. We're gonna teach him to 155 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: be a quarterback. 156 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: All right, Let's get to the underclassmen, and we've really 157 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: kind of had a large number of these guys. Tony 158 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: jump in now for both trin and Senior Bowl. Last year, 159 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: it was in effect, but it came in a little 160 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: bit later. Guys, Warren't is ready to do it this year. 161 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: I think, really the flullgates have opened in a good way, 162 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: and we should just know for fans. Tony and I 163 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: are recording this on Monday, so things can change between 164 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: now and and when Shrine and Senior begin next week. 165 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: Guys they find out they have injuries, they can't go. 166 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: They change their minds, all that stuff. The guys in 167 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: the National Championship Game, they have decisions to make stole 168 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: in terms of what they want to do, So a 169 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: lot of these things can change. But we're operating in 170 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: terms of what we know, in terms of one point 171 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: fifteen on Monday here with these games will go. So 172 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: let's start here, Tony. I'm gonna got a little bit 173 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: of a different format with you give me your top 174 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: five underclass when you're most excited to see in these 175 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: two All Star games. Then we can bring them down 176 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: a more specificity. 177 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: Well, I got to look at my list. 178 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the receiver from Stanford Layor who Ao 179 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: manor who everybody seems to love. I want to see 180 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: how complete his game is. Marcus Embell of Purdue, who 181 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 3: I think could definitely go in the first round. Likewise, 182 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: Emery Jones, the alphabatis is tackle from LSU, who I think, 183 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: coming into the season was expected to be a potential 184 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: early first round choice some people, some scouts had him 185 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 3: greated as high as Will Campbell has not played well 186 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: this year. Josh Connolly, a guy that I've warned over 187 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: literally all season long. The left tackle from Oregon. Is 188 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: he a tackle? Is he his own blocking guard? Jalen 189 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: Milrow of course, who was announced for the Senior Bowl. 190 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: I mean, that's been my guy, and I think as 191 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 3: when we get into our Senior Bowl preview, talk about 192 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: how you know what an opportunity it is for him. 193 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: I think Kenneth Grant playing in the Shrine Bowl. That's 194 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: you know, he's playing in the Shrine Bowl, which is 195 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 3: kind of you know, interesting, exciting, but it's a situation 196 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: where he best dominated. 197 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely all, right, Tony, So we could dig into those 198 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: guys a little bit more if you want, or you 199 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: can go position by position or just what kind of court. 200 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: Try about all these underclassmen coming. 201 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,599 Speaker 2: Out, no surprises. 202 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: I mean when I went to my list, you may 203 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 3: have three or four, three seniors go top twenty five. 204 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: Cam Ward of Miami of Ohio, Miami, Florida, Kayleek Williams 205 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 3: of Ohio State, Shannon Reveled. Depending on how his uh, 206 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: you know, how his medicals come back come back. Otherwise 207 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: it's going to be, you know, an underclassman heavy drift 208 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 3: as it usually is, because what happens is the underclassmen 209 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 3: come out and that dissipas that dilutes the senior class. 210 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 3: I thought that Trevor eight the end entering the draft. 211 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: That kind of caught me by surprise. You and I 212 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: both liked him a lot coming into the season. He 213 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: did not have the season as expected, suspension early on, 214 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 3: some injuries. He seemed to be a part time player 215 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: most of the year, most of the season in that 216 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: Georgia offense, rather than really picking up the ball and 217 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: carrying it per se, especially with all the problems Carson beckhad. 218 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 3: Was a little bit surprised by that. And as we 219 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 3: spoke about it, I think Jewel Law made the right 220 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: decision by staying in rather than entering the draft. 221 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we talked about quin yours, I believe, last week. 222 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: So that's one of the other class that we talked about. 223 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: So all right, though, those are the most of the 224 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: underclassman folks. And again we'll talk more about these guys 225 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: in detail. Most of those guys we talked about our 226 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl players. So we'll talk about most of those 227 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: guys in detail. But we get to our Senior Bowl 228 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: preview next Monday. Let's get to the Shrining Bowl, Tony. 229 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: But there are some big players here too, and you 230 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: mentioned one, and Kenneth Grant will get to him when 231 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: we get to the defensive tackles. But obviously all eyes 232 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: are going to be on the quarterback position. Shure Sanders 233 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: is going to be there. There's no beneficial announcement in 234 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: terms of what he's going to do. The rumors on 235 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: the internet. He's just gonna throw it on on ones. 236 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: He's not gonna do any competitive team stuff. That would 237 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: be too bad. We'll have to wait and see what 238 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: he does when we get there. But him, Kyle McCord, 239 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: and there's a couple other guys you like to. 240 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously there's gonna be a huge crowd 241 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 3: there around Shidorah Sanders. And I hope he does a lot. 242 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I hope he really participates. Kyle mccordy, we've 243 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: talked about him, you know. I mentioned Riley Leonard as being, 244 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 3: if not the fastest riser at the quarterback position, one 245 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: of the two fastest risers at that spot. The other 246 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: one would be Kyle McCord, who transferred from Ohio State 247 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: to Syracuse had a terrific season at Syracuse. 248 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: He's got a big time arm. 249 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: I'm sure we're both gonna sit there and be wild 250 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: by the throws that he can make, the speed he 251 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: gets on passes, he can thread a needle. He can 252 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: be a little bit inaccurate. Times his passes do get 253 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: away from him. He also has that Will Howard disease, 254 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: probably even worse that he stares down the primary target 255 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: a lot. He really is slow to move his head 256 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: off the office number one receiver, So when they go 257 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: into scrimmages, we'll be looking at that. And then cam Miller, 258 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: the quarterback from North Dakota State, a little bit smaller, 259 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: six foot one, maybe not even two hundred and ten pounds, 260 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 3: but a real productive passer who's got a decent arm, 261 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: throw some nice balls down the field. You know, in 262 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: those one on ones with cam Miller, you want to 263 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 3: see if he gets those long passes downfield with speed 264 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 3: or the balls dying and the receivers has to have 265 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: to slow up and wait for the pass to get to. 266 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: Him, no question about. All right, let's jump to the 267 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: running back position here, Tony. A couple guys in terms 268 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: of one that we talked about even going back to 269 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: last year's draft season in Raheem Rocket Sanders. 270 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: Bigger back, but he's got some quickness to change the 271 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 3: scenery from Arkansas to South Carolina worked really well from 272 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: this season. A big productive, you know, basically run your 273 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 3: over type of ball carrier who's got some excellent short 274 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: area of quickness. When we're watching him in drill specifically, 275 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: is he stiff? Is he mobile? Is he able to 276 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: you know, reach back and make the receptions? You want 277 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: to see his past catching hands because he was never 278 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: featured in that area. He's got to show that he's 279 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: more than a one dimensional downhill ball carrier. 280 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: No question about it. Anybody else at the running back 281 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: position that has he excited? 282 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, Corey Kiner, Cincinnati, keep an eye on him. He's 283 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: a bigger back, but he's also got excellent quickness. He's 284 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: got some creativity. He's got to burst in his game. 285 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 3: I think Kiner is a guy. This is a good 286 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 3: situation for him where if he has a good show, 287 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: I will help his draft stock. Now let's talk about 288 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: the pass catchers, Tony, and it's an odd year where 289 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 3: there might be more excitement over the tight end class 290 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: than the wide receiver class. Spare maybe a couple of 291 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: guys at the top. Yeah, absolutely, we're not gonna We're 292 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: not gonna see any of the guys at the top 293 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: of the trying ball, but we're gonna see some real 294 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: good ones. I mean, you start with Aronde Gadson of Syracuse. 295 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: Who is he a big possession receiver? Is he a 296 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: move tight end? He can catch the ball, gats it, 297 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: So you want to see what he weighs in at. 298 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 3: Is he two hundred and thirty pounds or more? What 299 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: is his playing speed? Like you know has those loveline 300 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: His father was a receiver from the Miami Dolphins for 301 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: all those years, and he catches the ball extremely well. 302 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 3: He's not a blocker. They never really asked him to 303 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: block at Syracuse, but they threw him the ball and 304 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 3: he did a terrific job. And remember, I believe he 305 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 3: played two games in twenty twenty three before suffering a 306 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: season ending injury and he's come back quite well. Speaking 307 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: of injuries, Luclas Shay of Iowa is going to be 308 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: at the Shrine Ball. And here was a guy who, 309 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: after Laporta left Iowa, everyone said that is going to 310 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: be the next big time tight end out of Iowa, 311 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: suffered an injury, has seemed to struggle to get it back, 312 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 3: you know, to get back to where he was before 313 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: he went down. The quickness, the speed. He's a real 314 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: good pass catcher, but can he separate? Also, Quarter Runyon 315 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 3: of Townsend. Carter Runyon is sort of in the Irondez 316 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: Gatson modle, but he's a little bit bigger, and you 317 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: know Mike Gatson. Carter Runyon was a receiver at thousand 318 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: before making the move to tight end this year, and 319 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 3: he's a real good pass catcher with him you I 320 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: want to see how he does in the blocking jewels. 321 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: Does he hold up? Does he show any strength? He 322 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: can catch the ball. He's not bad at getting down 323 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: in the field either. But he a small school guy 324 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 3: from towsand's gonna show that he's got a complete game 325 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: if he's gonna be selected late in the draft. 326 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: I how about the wide receivers. 327 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: Tony Jacry Brooks, the former Alabama transher played at Louisville. 328 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: Deceptively fast. I think he's got an underrated game. 329 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: I think this is a guy who's got a chance 330 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: to get into the late part of Day two. Not 331 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: a super speedster, but it's got enough speed to get 332 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 3: a downfield and beat defenders in a foot race six 333 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: to one, just about two hundred pounds, catches the ball 334 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: very well. Nick Nash we talked about him when Eric 335 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: was on the show. One hundred and four receptions, three 336 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: and eighty two yards, sixteen tds. A natural pass catcher 337 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 3: coming off a phenomenal season. The question with him is 338 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: speed and quickness. How quick does he get off the line? 339 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: Is he a quick route runner, does he does he 340 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: have a burst to separate or is he just a 341 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: guy that catches the ball very well. If he can 342 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: put that all together, Nash, who was basically granted as 343 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: a street free agent coming into the season, could find 344 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 3: himself in the late rounds. And then finally, Ricky White 345 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: of UNLV, former Michigan State receiver. That UNLV program had 346 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 3: a terrific campaign this year. White was one of the 347 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: leaders on offense. You know, sort of like a got 348 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 3: decent speed for a possession receiver, but it isn't great size. 349 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: But again, a real good pass catcher who late in 350 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 3: the late in the draft, sixth seventh round. If you're 351 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 3: looking for your number four, number five receiver, White could 352 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: could be that guy if he shows well at the Shrineball. 353 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: Moodys is a proud part of the New York Giants, 354 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,479 Speaker 1: uniting the brightest minds to turn today's risks into tomorrow's opportunities. 355 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: Learn more at Moody's dot com. All right, Tony, let's 356 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: go in front the big men on the offensive line. 357 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: You have a quartet of guys that you're excited to see. 358 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, contrasting styles. And the first two guy Nash Jones, 359 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: who was someone we spoke about with Eric. Here's a 360 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: guy who wasn't on the scouting radar before the season. 361 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: Now everyone's talking about him as a late day three pick. 362 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're looking for a power gap blocker, 363 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 3: that's Nash Jones. I think the one thing that's going 364 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: to stand out about him in the early port of 365 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 3: shrine practice is just the build. He's got an NFL 366 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 3: line built, big, thick, lower body, powerful. You're not going 367 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: to ask him to move too much to the left 368 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 3: the righter get on the second level. But if you want, 369 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 3: you know, a pile driver as a run blocker, he's 370 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: your guy. Opposite of that is Luke Newman holy Crush, 371 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 3: transfer played Michigan State like his teammate last year. Holy Cross, 372 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: who was taken in sixth round, very athletic, very mobile, 373 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 3: zone blocking guy. 374 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: Want to see how he holds up in those one 375 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: on ones. 376 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: And then during the scrimmage if they use him pulling 377 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 3: across the line of scrimmage, watch his athleticism. As a 378 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 3: poll at Washington State, a guy who was great as 379 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 3: a street free agent coming into the season by scouts. 380 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 3: I like this game. He's a bigger guy, he's strong, 381 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: he's mobile. Glad that he's getting the credit, the credit 382 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 3: that he deserves. And then Joshua Gray of Oregon State. 383 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 3: Joshua were coming into the two thousand and three season, 384 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three season was graded higher by scouts than 385 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: the least Fuega. It's just a Fuega had a phenomenal 386 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, ended up and went into the draft. 387 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: Was a mid first round pick by the New Orleans Stints. 388 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 3: Joshua Gray went back for another year at Oregon State. 389 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 3: Played tackle Oregon State was used to guard this year. 390 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 3: Some people project him at center. So with Gray, want 391 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 3: to see how he does at the center spot. Kenny Snap, 392 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 3: is he snapping efficiently? Because the center class this year 393 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 3: does not look good at all. 394 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: As we dig into this draft, Tony over the next 395 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: couple of months, I think people will find that it's 396 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: the defensive line slash edge class that is really the 397 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: strongest part of the draft class. There's a lot of 398 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: really good players and that's so deep and my goodness, 399 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: just to look ahead to the Senior Bowl preview next week. 400 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: I think on the Senior Bowl preview you had around 401 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: eight guys listed on your list you want to talk about. 402 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: I had an additional five, so that's like a dozen 403 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: guys and there's a good here. And you mentioned Kenneth 404 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: Tran earlier at Trine as well that are going to 405 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: get drafted. 406 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 3: Very excited watching the defensive lineman edge rushers at the 407 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: Shrine Bowl. Talked about Kenneth Grant, and you know, we've 408 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 3: talked about him all season long. Everyone talks about Mason Graham, 409 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 3: who is a real safe pick, is going to be 410 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 3: a very early selection. Kenneth Grant probably has more upside 411 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: than Mason Grant because of the size, because of the athleticism, 412 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 3: he can be a one man wrecking crew. This is 413 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: a major get for the Shrine Ball. Want to see 414 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: Grant go out there and basically he has to dominate. 415 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: He has to dominate at this game, and if he does, 416 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 3: he's going to be a mid first round choice. Jordan 417 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: Phillips of Maryland is a guy who I spoke at 418 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 3: well for third year sophomore. I think he's very underrated. 419 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: More of your natural, zero technique, nose tackle type of prospect. 420 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 3: Does the dirty work on the inside, collects double team blocks, 421 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 3: which allows his teammates on the outside to make plays 422 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 3: on the ball. I think he's a little bit more 423 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: athletic than given credit for, but it's going to be 424 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 3: enjoyable to watch him in those one on ones. Able 425 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: to move him off the ball? Does he consistently bull 426 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 3: rush players into the backfield? Fadil Diggs of Syracuse. I 427 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 3: don't know why this guy doesn't get more credit. Texas 428 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: is transferred over from Texas A and M. You watch 429 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 3: the Syracuse film, you can't help but not notice number ten. 430 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 3: He's all over the place, making plays out of a 431 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: three point stance, standing over tackle, athleticism, speed, not just 432 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 3: a pass rusher, but someone who will get out in 433 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 3: the out to the flanks, out to the signings in 434 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: pursuit and run down ball characters from the backside. So 435 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: this guy can do a lot of different things. I 436 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 3: expect him the test very well. I think he's going 437 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: to be terror Trimbull practices. Ahmad Hassanian, a Boise State, 438 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 3: spoke about him when the college playoff College football playoffs started. 439 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: Real good pass rusher coming out of Boys to State 440 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 3: goes about six three and seventy pounds more of your 441 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 3: defensive end in a conventional format line, but he can 442 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: get up the field and make a lot of plays. 443 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 3: Small school guy Elijah Ponder out of cal Poly again 444 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 3: sort of like Fideel Diggs in a sense that you 445 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 3: can standover tackle. He can come out of a three 446 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 3: point stands with a terror of a pass rusher on 447 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 3: the one double a FCS level, very athletic, can also 448 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 3: be used off the line of scrimmage. And then finally, 449 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 3: Joe Evans of Texas San Antonio six two and a 450 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: half three hundred and forty two pounds. I believe he's 451 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: a transfer from LSU. He's a guy who looks like 452 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: a mountain of a man. He's the guy who shows 453 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: brilliance and dominance and spurts, but he never really does 454 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: it on a consistent basis, And I think scouts are 455 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 3: a little bit disappointed with him. He's gonna have to 456 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 3: do it here. He's gonna have to answer some questions 457 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: as to why he wasn't as dominant as scouts thought. 458 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: But he's got the body type to be a natural 459 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: nose tackle. And he's not a bad athlete either. 460 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: You know, every year feel like I feel like we 461 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: come into these drafts Tony are like, Yeah, the off 462 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: ball linebacker class is just not great, and I just 463 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: think it's a really tough position in college should develop 464 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: given the schemes. But what do you think about this 465 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: group at Shrine? 466 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Carson Bruder Washington. I mean, if you watch Washington 467 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: football for the last three years, another guy you can't help 468 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 3: not notice. He plays like his hairs on fire. He's 469 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 3: explosive up the field, He's great sideline to sideline, covers 470 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 3: a lot of area, outstanding in pursuit, also has some 471 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 3: cover skills. So I think right now you're looking at 472 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: a midday three pick. You know, with these off the 473 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 3: ball linebackers, especially, what you want to see is how 474 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 3: they do when the coverage rules in those one on 475 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: one covered duels against the tight ends, against the running backs. 476 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 3: Can they flip their hips, can they run downfield with 477 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: these guys, do they have ball skills? You know that 478 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 3: they get their head back around. Runer has all the 479 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: underlying skills to be able to do that. He just 480 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 3: has to show as much during shrinebol practices. Jaman Dumas Johnson, 481 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 3: former Georgia linebacker who transferred to Kentucky. More of your 482 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 3: traditional strong side linebacker. Not that great in coverage, not 483 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: bad coverages, not great in coverage, but a real tough, 484 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 3: punching him out type of linebacker stout against the run, 485 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 3: forces the action up the field. And someone we spoke 486 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: about earlier, Aaron Smith out of South Carolina State. Smaller 487 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 3: pursuit guy, sideline to sideline. Maybe he measures in at 488 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: six feet two hundred and twenty five pounds, but he 489 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 3: plays bigger, doesn't back down to a challenge. A real 490 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 3: fun guy to watch. I think he's got potential as 491 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: a late round pick special teams guy. 492 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: All right, toy, let's go to the defensive backs that'll 493 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: be covering some of those pass catches we talked about. 494 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: Start with RJ. Mickens, the safety from Clemson. 495 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 3: Here's the guy who just makes play after play against 496 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 3: the pass against the run of Clemson it's not the 497 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 3: fastest guy in the world. Scouts are estimating estimating he's 498 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,239 Speaker 3: a four or five to five guy. But he's got 499 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: it going on between the ears that he doesn't have 500 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: mental lapses, and he covers a lot of area on 501 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 3: the field, does a great job working with his cornerbacks, 502 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 3: you know, like those off ball linebackers, a safety like 503 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: ar Mickens. When they do those one on one pass 504 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 3: catching droes with the receivers, he's got to show some 505 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 3: ball skills. He's got to show that they go flip 506 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 3: hips and transition, run down field with the opponents, with 507 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 3: the opposing receivers, get his head back around, follow him 508 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: out of their breaks. He's very good facing the But 509 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 3: now when they do those one and he has he 510 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: did a decent shob when a few times they placed 511 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 3: them over the slot receiver. Now he's got to show 512 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: with there in practice. Glendon Miller, another Maryland kid, was 513 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 3: great as a as a low level free agent coming 514 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: into the season. Primarily played nickelback at Maryland. Was never 515 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 3: really a primary cover corner, but he's got great ball skills, 516 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 3: very feisty, very very physical. Here's an opportunity again in 517 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: those one on ones to show he's got the ball 518 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: skills to play on the outside on a consistent basis, 519 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: And justin Wally out of Minnesota, a big physical corner 520 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 3: with terrific ball skills constantly making plays against the past 521 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 3: shows the ability to stay with receivers out of their 522 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 3: breaks on their hip. You know, not a guy that 523 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 3: gets called for a lot of past interference penalties, but 524 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 3: a guy's got really good ball skills. 525 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: All right. 526 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: Tell you just closing thoughts on Shrine before we wrap 527 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: things up, or you have going on to sports Ski 528 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: that you want fans to keep an eye on. 529 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 3: Well, obviously, Shan the one thing, one good thing about 530 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 3: Shrine and Senior Bowl Week is it's the first time 531 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 3: that the scouting community and the teams get together as 532 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 3: a group. So there's always a lot of you know, 533 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 3: rumors and buzz out there, and I'm sure we're gonna 534 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: be We'll have it at sports Gatar. I know we 535 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 3: will have it at Sportsketa every day during triboat practices 536 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 3: as well as a breakdown of how the players have looked. 537 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: So, Tony, you're telling me, scouts get together at bars, 538 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: get buzzed, which then creates buzz with people like you 539 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: is basically what you're telling me. 540 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: Ah well, I don't hang out at bars too much, 541 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah, I mean something like that. 542 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: We will be there to cover it right here on 543 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: Draft Season as well. Again, Tony and I will be 544 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: hitting out on Friday. First practice is Saturday, and Sunday 545 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: I'll be there for that. I think Tony, you're sticking 546 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: around for most of Monday's practice too, correct before you 547 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: go to Mobile or not. 548 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: I'm sticking around, I mean unless something happens. The intention 549 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 3: is to be at boat practices on Monday, then bust 550 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 3: down to Dallas Fort what a DFW airport and get 551 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: on a plane and fly with a mobile. 552 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: Yes, and then I will be at Mobile. I'll be 553 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: flying out Monday morning. I'll be at Mobile, will set 554 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: up all our stuff and then we'll have covered to 555 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl all week, coming back on Thursday night. 556 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: So that'll be fun. Thanks everybody for joining us on 557 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: this edition of Draft Season again, brought to you by Moody's, 558 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: a proud partner of the New York Football Giants for 559 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: Tony pollingum John Schmulk. 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