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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ancestral Dreaming heal generational wounds through dream work. That's the

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Speaker 2: brand new one from Linda Yaiel Schiller, a luminary and

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Speaker 2: dreamwork and trauma healing. I'm not a I don't subscribe

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Speaker 2: to reincarnation. It doesn't happen to be part of my

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Speaker 2: faith tradition. However, after doing shows like this for many,

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Speaker 2: many years, the evidence I have to admit is very compelling.

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Speaker 2: So I'm conflicted by it. And I've personally witnessed past

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Speaker 2: life regression sessions where again, these people that are under

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Speaker 2: hypnosis seem to be experiencing real emotions from a past life.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if epigenetics or cellular memory may explain the

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Speaker 2: authenticity of their experience. What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: I think absolutely, I think you're absolutely on the right track. Again,

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Speaker 3: as we mentioned before, none of us know for sure

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Speaker 3: exactly what happens after our body dies and where our

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Speaker 3: solar spirit goes. And it stands to reason to me

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Speaker 3: that reincarnation is a possibility for sure, and it doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter whether we quote unquote believe in it or not.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of people who do all over

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Speaker 3: the world, and there are two ways that we can

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Speaker 3: get these visits from our ancestors. One is that the

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Speaker 3: spirit or soul of our ancestor comes through either in

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Speaker 3: a dream or in what I call a dream adjacent state,

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Speaker 3: which is that time when you're just falling asleep but

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Speaker 3: not quite asleep yet, or you're just waking up but

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Speaker 3: not clearly to wake yet that you can call the

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Speaker 3: hypnopompic and hypnogogic zones. Those are our dream states as well,

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Speaker 3: or or in our waking life through dream agation states

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Speaker 3: such as what you're saying, trance or hypnotherapy or deja

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Speaker 3: vu or synchronicities. So that's one thing, and then the

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Speaker 3: other piece that you're talking about, the reincarnation. I just

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Speaker 3: don't discount things that I can't prove one way or

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Speaker 3: the other. And if it feels real and allows you

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Speaker 3: to have a connection, to have a healing forwards and

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Speaker 3: backwards in time, my response is simply, of course it

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Speaker 3: could be true. Why not? There are many ways that

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Speaker 3: people can connect across time and space. Because we used

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Speaker 3: to think before quantum physics right that time was linear,

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Speaker 3: and now we know from mind stein on that time

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Speaker 3: actually isn't linear circular. So as we think about that

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Speaker 3: truth in quantum physics, the time is actually circular and

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Speaker 3: not linear. It makes the possibility of reincarnation in my

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Speaker 3: mind at leaf at least a lot more plausible and possible.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to explore this epigenetics a little bit further.

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Speaker 2: I am fascinated by my family history. I feel such

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Speaker 2: gratitude to my ancestors, even those that I don't I

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Speaker 2: no longer know their names. You know, they always say

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Speaker 2: you die twice. You die your physical death and then

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Speaker 2: when people forget your name, that's the second death. And

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Speaker 2: I have, you know, great great great great great great

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Speaker 2: great grandparents. I don't know their names, but I feel

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Speaker 2: such gratitude towards them because I know what they went

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Speaker 2: through for me to be here right now. And I

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Speaker 2: find this idea of epigenetics that all of their experiences,

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Speaker 2: their joys, they're so rows. Their trauma is you know,

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Speaker 2: changed their genes without changing their DNA, but it got

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Speaker 2: passed down to me five six, seven, eight generations later,

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Speaker 2: so I am my ancestors even with the trauma. I

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Speaker 2: find that very comforting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is comforting. I think that sense of we're

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Speaker 3: not alone and that death isn't even the end. It's

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Speaker 3: so helpful if people have created a genogram, which is

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Speaker 3: a family tree. And I always recommend that. I learned

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Speaker 3: how to do that years and years ago when I

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Speaker 3: was taking a family therapy course in Social Works school,

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Speaker 3: for that class. So I had to go home and

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Speaker 3: about my family history, and I learned things that I

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Speaker 3: never would have known. And I really recommend for everyone

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Speaker 3: make a family tree, make a genogram. See who's who,

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Speaker 3: Where do you come from? What's the story of your past,

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Speaker 3: of your life for better for worse, for richer for poor,

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Speaker 3: sort of like you know when you get married, because

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Speaker 3: we do get these gifts from our ancestors, we do

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Speaker 3: get these blessings. And I'm so delighted to talk with

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Speaker 3: you and hear about your sense of appreciation because that

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Speaker 3: keeps their legacy alive. And then when we tell our

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Speaker 3: when we have relatives from the past who suffer, when

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Speaker 3: with care. And then in the book, I have a

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Speaker 3: variety of different exercises that we can do to help

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Speaker 3: who may still be suffering. We actually get to make

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Speaker 2: I want to explore that a little bit further in

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Speaker 2: a moment, but first I want you to tell us

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Speaker 2: about your borsched dream and how it connected you to

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Speaker 2: your Ukrainian roots.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's great, That's one of my favorite stories. So

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Speaker 3: I'm a member of an organization called IASD, which is

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Speaker 3: the International Association for the Study of Dreams. Big shout

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Speaker 3: out here is an amazingly wonderful organization from people literally

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Speaker 3: all over the world from all ways you can imagine

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Speaker 3: connecting with your dream from the scientific research perspective, through

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Speaker 3: the therapeutic perspective, through art, through embodied movement, through spirituality,

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Speaker 3: and just general people who are just in dreamwork. So

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Speaker 3: asd dot org you can go online and join up.

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Speaker 3: Our next conference is going to be in June in Exceland, Oregon.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, there's a gentleman whose name is Jose who

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Speaker 3: is a member of that organization, who some years ago

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Speaker 3: was an American Aid volunteer in the Ukraine, and he

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Speaker 3: was working with the Ukrainian people to help them work

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Speaker 3: through and heal from the trauma of the war. And

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Speaker 3: he came across my previous book which is called Pts

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Speaker 3: Dreams and the subtitle is Healing using Dreamwork to heal

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Speaker 3: nightmares from trauma. So he was using some methods ribed

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Speaker 3: in my book to help the Ukrainians who were in

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Speaker 3: the middle would still are for that matter, in the

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Speaker 3: me know that he was doing this, and we had

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Speaker 3: this lovely sort of conversation for a couple of years.

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Speaker 3: and Zoom occasionally. And what made this particularly special one

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Speaker 3: is that I felt honored to be a part in

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Speaker 3: some way of helping people, even though I didn't know

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Speaker 3: to help them in some way in their healing work.

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Speaker 3: What made it. Particularly point in for me is that

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Speaker 3: my grandfather on my mom's side was born in Kiev

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Speaker 3: and his family had to escape from what was I

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Speaker 3: don't know if it was then Ukraine or Russia because

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Speaker 3: it felt so right that now, several generations later, I'm

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Speaker 3: sort of full circle healing potential there. So that's kind

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Speaker 3: of the background of the dream. So then somewhere in

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Speaker 3: you mentioned about Borshed and Borshed is an Eastern European

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Speaker 3: Ukrainian Russian beat soup. It's a sort of a yummy,

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Speaker 3: I had this while I'm in contact with my friend

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Speaker 3: Jose who's using my book over there. So here's the dream.

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Speaker 3: In the dream, I'm in charge of teaching some students

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Speaker 3: how to make borshed, but I first have to learn

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Speaker 3: then you can make the borsched better. So I learn

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Speaker 3: we'll have good borshed. And that was the dream. That

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Speaker 3: see some new layers. So here's what I discovered as

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Speaker 3: That was obvious on one layer. And then there were

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Speaker 3: two central images were the beats that you need to

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Speaker 3: I say, oh, well, what's a shredder? Okay, So in

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Speaker 3: my dream it's this. It's sort of like a food processor,

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Speaker 3: I guess if you will, But it grinds up or

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Speaker 3: if we had a bad experience in a love relationship,

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Speaker 3: we say, oh my god, my heart feels shredded. So

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Speaker 3: that's the other side of the word shredded. My ancestors

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Speaker 3: were shredded by living in that country at that time

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Speaker 3: and they had to leave. So I had two associations

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Speaker 3: to that machine, that shredder. So at the end of

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Speaker 3: the dream, I go back to my students and I say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we need to learn how to make this recipe properly

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Speaker 3: so that we can use the shredder in a positive way,

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Speaker 3: not to be torn apart, but to make something that

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Speaker 3: is nourishing to us and more accessible than it was

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Speaker 3: before and looking at the layers of that dream was

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Speaker 3: really the source of letting me say, I think I

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Speaker 3: have another book that needs to get written and it's

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Speaker 3: calling out to me. Now.

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Speaker 2: Was that an ancestor reaching out to you and using metaphor?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely could be. It didn't feel specifically like that in

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Speaker 3: I've been talking about this story in the dream for

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Speaker 3: a while now and I got to give it to you.

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Speaker 3: You were the first person who asked me that specific question.

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Speaker 3: As you ask, and I have a felt sense of

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Speaker 3: resonating with it, I think, oh, of course, that that

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Speaker 3: chef must have been one of my ancestors teaching me

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Speaker 3: how to connect with my roots, with my blood roots,

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Speaker 3: with my beet roots, and my family legacy in a

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Speaker 3: way that I can pass that knowledge on to my

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Speaker 3: own children and my grandchildren, as well as to my students.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't have to be our direct relatives. Some

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Speaker 3: people have kids, some people don't have kids. But in

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Speaker 3: any place in your life where you're a teacher or

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Speaker 3: passing on then to those we work with.

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Speaker 2: I guess that really also points to the importance of

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Speaker 2: keeping a dream journal. We don't all have dream groups

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Speaker 2: to work with that can you know, sort of help

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Speaker 2: us on, you know, unravel the metaphors and so forth.

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Speaker 2: But if you keep a journal, that's going to allow

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Speaker 2: you to capture those ancestral messages.

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Speaker 3: Right. We all have had the experience when you wake

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Speaker 3: up and like, oh, I had a dream and you

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Speaker 3: get out of bed and poof, it's gone, right, because

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Speaker 3: dreams are kind of like wisps of smoke. You move

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Speaker 3: too quickly and they're they're just gone. So in order

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Speaker 3: to really capture and be able to work with our dreams,

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Speaker 3: we need to get them down and record them. So

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Speaker 3: I always recommend that people have a book, so I'm

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Speaker 3: kind of a dream journal that they keep next to

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Speaker 3: their bed, and as best as possible when you wake

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Speaker 3: whether it's in the morning or the middle of the night,

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Speaker 3: write it down because otherwise we either won't remember it

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Speaker 3: at all or we won't remember the details. And if

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Speaker 3: you're just not a writer, then it's okay to type

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Speaker 3: it into your device or record it into your phone.

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Speaker 3: But if you record it, I recommend that people then

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Speaker 3: transcribe it later because the act of writing it down

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Speaker 3: allows you to access more depth and detail than talking

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Speaker 3: about it into your phone.

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