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Speaker 2: So so yeah, we got a bone to pick with you, girl.

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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three point fifty eight,

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Speaker 1: episode two of Darn Daily's Like Guys production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 1: And it's a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. We are still America's only undecided podcasts.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times hit me up.

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Speaker 2: They said, you're undecided. Yes, you're undecided.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, can we interview you forty seven times?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, buy you some nachos to watch for debate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we do have another debate coming up, right,

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should The New York Times. We're dead serious,

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Speaker 2: Both sides look.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we truly don't know what to make of it.

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Speaker 1: Come through and throw us a viewing party.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're super down. Oh Miles, it is Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, October first, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: It's October. Yeah, wow, I'm there. I said November. Take

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien aka A little bit of

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Speaker 1: Venning read in my life. A little bit of Italian

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Speaker 1: Totally would have forgotten that conversation if you hadn't brought

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Speaker 2: As always by my co host mister Miles Gregs Miles Gray.

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Speaker 3: He puts me down down like an idiot clown, and

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Speaker 3: it just always feels shitty. I know that vance kind

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Apparently was hard for the committee to find it, right.

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Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five. P. Two five, let's call it

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Speaker 1: Like to get to know our guest a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: Great asking you, what is something from your search history

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Speaker 4: My search history, Well, I'm taking this from an airport,

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Speaker 4: and I was actually just searching the quickest place I

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Speaker 4: So that both tells you that I appreciate diet coke.

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Speaker 4: I like to I like col too. But it shows

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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't do pepsi.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't talk with diapepsy. You sit down to

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Speaker 4: And I say iced tea please.

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Speaker 4: I am a I am a fountain diet coke person. Oh,

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Speaker 4: Now I could have just been this diet coke influencer here.

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Speaker 1: But there's something that even though I'm sure the same

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Speaker 4: There you go, There you go. That was a good question.

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Speaker 4: I love it. I'm going to ask the scene that

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Speaker 4: what about your search history telling that's great?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it could be a little tricky, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Now, there was like an architect of Project twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: not look at Donald Trump. But for us it was

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Speaker 2: a ridge too far, well like with that kind of

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Speaker 2: a thing, because I think that was another move where

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Speaker 2: people like, oh my gosh, they that was like a

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Speaker 2: headline like the director of Project twenty twenty five has

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Speaker 2: been fired, as if to sort of make people be like, oh,

445
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Speaker 2: maybe things are losing momentum, but what what's what's it

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Speaker 2: been like for the Heritage Foundation just generally how they're

447
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Speaker 2: maneuvering because it seems like, oh, everybody knows about this

448
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Speaker 2: and if you read it, it's so bad. What do

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Speaker 2: we do to try and make this seem like normal

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Speaker 2: or acceptable.

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Speaker 4: Well, we've seen that, I mean we saw a number

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Speaker 4: of these witnesses just I guess it was last week,

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Speaker 4: two weeks ago when I was on Capitol Hill that

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Speaker 4: had their talking points about, oh, this is nothing, nothing

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Speaker 4: to see here, truly nothing to see here. There made

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Speaker 4: nine hundred pages, but nothing to see. And the American

457
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Speaker 4: people I think are smarter than that, and that's why

458
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Speaker 4: you see them. So, you know, rebuking this agenda. But

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Speaker 4: I think the other thing that we're trying to make

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Speaker 4: sure people understand, and you guys have talked about it

461
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Speaker 4: on the show in different ways, but Project twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: five is already here. It's not something that could happen.

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Speaker 4: It's we're already seeing in states like Florida and Texas

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Speaker 4: and Arkansas and Mississippi and places where we have to

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Speaker 4: go to court because there are attempts to ban books

466
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Speaker 4: or to control ideas, to ban reproductive health care. So

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Speaker 4: we're seeing a lot of these policies and ideas already

468
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Speaker 4: afoot in states with very far right leadership, already afoot

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Speaker 4: by these organizations that are going into court and trying

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Speaker 4: to sue on fringe legal theories to restrict the right

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Speaker 4: to vote, or to restrict the right to reproductive healthcare,

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Speaker 4: any number of things. And so we want to make

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Speaker 4: sure that people understand that that there's a lot that

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Speaker 4: we can be doing in our own communities now to

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Speaker 4: oppose these really harmful and anti democracy, anti freedom ideas.

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Speaker 1: Right, and so some of these things that seem like

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Speaker 1: fringe and like, you know, there're stories that are happening

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Speaker 1: in other states if we don't live in Florida, and

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Speaker 1: then you hear from people who are like, I'm in Florida,

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Speaker 1: it's as bad as it seems. The idea is that

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Speaker 1: it would just be national, like it like all of

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Speaker 1: those things would now be attempted on a national scale.

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Speaker 4: So there are, yeah, there's pages throughout Projects twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: five that says that they want to adopt, you know,

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Speaker 4: at the federal level, certain ideas around education or policies

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Speaker 4: that we've seen in states like Florida and Texas where

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Speaker 4: there has just been a lot of restrictions on the

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Speaker 4: freedom to read, the freedom to ideas, the ability for

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Speaker 4: schools to serve people in courts. We see, you know,

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Speaker 4: there's this you all I think have talked about this

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Speaker 4: with the Commstock Act, which is this Victorian era law

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Speaker 4: that there has been a movement to resurrect, even though

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Speaker 4: it's been broadly abrogated. That there's been a movement to

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Speaker 4: resurrect to try to enforce criminal penalties on the transportation

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Speaker 4: of obscene materials in the United States, which which it

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Speaker 4: defines to include materials that might be utilized in the

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Speaker 4: provision of pregnancy termination and abortion. And that's actually something

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Speaker 4: that these the same far right groups that are behind

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Speaker 4: Project twenty twenty five are already trying to push in

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Speaker 4: the court. It's something we heard a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a discussion of this last Supreme Court term from Justices

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Speaker 4: Alito and Thomas and the Alliance for Defending Freedom, which

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Speaker 4: is one of the groups behind the plan. And so

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Speaker 4: I think that's that's the other piece of this is

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Speaker 4: we need to be able to look at this extremism

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Speaker 4: and not blink and understand it's here and use the

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Speaker 4: tools that we have to oppose it.

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Speaker 2: Right, So I even like with you know, I know,

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Speaker 2: the huge sort of tenets within Project twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: as it relates to abortion are essentially ban mifipristone enforced

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Speaker 2: the Comstock Act, and then also like collect data from

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Speaker 2: states about abortions performed, including like the state of residence

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Speaker 2: for the mother and things like that to really just

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Speaker 2: clamp down in every way. I've also heard people say

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Speaker 2: like that for them, it's like, if we can just

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Speaker 2: get the Comstock Acting force, that's kind of good enough,

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Speaker 2: because I guess the logic extends to the fact that

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Speaker 2: they would essentially say, like any even supplies being sent

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Speaker 2: to an abortion clinic would be deemed unlawful, and therefore

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Speaker 2: you have like this de facto shut down of clinics.

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Speaker 2: Is there is there like debate within the anti abortion

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Speaker 2: movement of like maybe we just can we just really

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Speaker 2: press hard on the Comstock Act versus others.

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Speaker 4: They want anything that will chill reproductive health care, whether

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Speaker 4: it's lawful or not, whether it's fringe or not, and

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Speaker 4: Comstock is certainly one of them. I would be remiss

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Speaker 4: if I didn't say that these are the same people

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Speaker 4: that for years insisted they wanted to return things to

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Speaker 4: the state, and now they're pursuing national strategies to try

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Speaker 4: to prevent, you know, reproductive health care, even in even

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Speaker 4: in states that that are protecting in it have permitted it.

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Speaker 4: And so I think that that, you know, I think

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Speaker 4: we need to also be able to look at that

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Speaker 4: hypocrisy and understand what we're up against.

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Speaker 1: Right all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break,

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Speaker 1: and I want to come back and talk about whether

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Speaker 1: and how this could even fuck with their ability to

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Speaker 1: deal with the weather. Yeah, we'll be right back to it.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so Project twenty twenty five makes it possible for

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Speaker 1: the administration to or a administration to dismantle NOAH and

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Speaker 1: the National Weather Service. And so, I mean, just up top,

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Speaker 1: the National Weather Service is the thing that gives us,

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Speaker 1: like most of our weather information.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, I mean it is. And I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: you said what's overrated. I mean I didn't say the

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Speaker 4: weather app because I'm you know, sitting here in an airport.

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Speaker 4: You guys were all trying to their storms everywhere, trying

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Speaker 4: to figure out So even when we utilize weather information

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Speaker 4: from whatever our favorite services are, lots of that is

551
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Speaker 4: built off of the publicly available Weather Service that enables

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Speaker 4: all of us to access information not just about what

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Speaker 4: the temperatures are going to be or how much it rained,

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Speaker 4: but about the progression of storms or other things that

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Speaker 4: we need to know. And of course would be remiss

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Speaker 4: if we didn't acknowledge that we're talking amidst so many

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Speaker 4: people in our country that are losing things, and there's

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Speaker 4: been lots of flooding throughout as a result of these storms.

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Speaker 4: But yet Project twenty twenty five would dismantle that National

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Speaker 4: Weather Service because it views our Weather Service and the

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Speaker 4: data that is collected around weather patterns as a threat

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Speaker 4: to their sort of ideological view that climate change is

563
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Speaker 4: not real and and data and evidence are a problem

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Speaker 4: if you if you want to, if you want to

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Speaker 4: sort of pedal and misinformation, And so they want to

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Speaker 4: dismantle the Weather Service.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I'm seeing that this.

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Speaker 1: I think there was. So first of all, the head

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Speaker 1: of the federal or not federal, the Heritage Foundation recently

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Speaker 1: had an op ed in the USA Today, and then

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Speaker 1: the USA Today also like recently fact checked this fact.

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Speaker 1: And they're like, it just gives them the ability to

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Speaker 1: dismantle the NAA and the National Weather Service. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: have like it's not doing for it.

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Speaker 2: It's like it says it should be broken up. How

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Speaker 2: else to take.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, specifically says that the NOAA is one of the

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Speaker 1: main drivers of the climate change alarm industry. Correct, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: and why do you think they're calling for it? If

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Speaker 1: and giving themselves the ability to do it if they're

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Speaker 1: you know, not going to do it. We weird things

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Speaker 1: happening at the USA today. Apparently with regards to Project

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: It feels like sort of like one one part is

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Speaker 2: like obviously the curtailing of rights is a huge part,

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Speaker 2: and then the other was like, erase the receipts that

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Speaker 2: allow for people to call for progress, because if you

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Speaker 2: have no data about the environment, then that's one less

589
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Speaker 2: tool people have to like rhetorically vest us in saying

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Speaker 2: we need to take care of the planet.

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Speaker 4: And that's one thing we saw. So in the prior

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Speaker 4: administration there was an effort to stop collecting data or

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Speaker 4: to undermine data. So this isn't you know, this isn't

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Speaker 4: just what's in Project twenty twenty five. This is what happened.

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Speaker 4: Lawyers at Democracy Forward we had to go to court

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Speaker 4: to stop the Trump administration when they wanted to stop

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Speaker 4: collecting wage data around demographics. They just didn't want to

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Speaker 4: collect it. You don't have a wage problem, a wage

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Speaker 4: gap problem, or any inequity in pay if you don't

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Speaker 4: collect the data. And we were able to win that suit.

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Speaker 4: But that's the type of trend we see, including with

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Speaker 4: the National Weather Service and what they're saying. I will say,

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Speaker 4: and I think you all have seen this, but on

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Speaker 4: our website at Democracyforward dot org, we have a people's

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Speaker 4: guide to Democracy Forward. We have a people's Guide to

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Speaker 4: Project twenty twenty five, and it actually has all of

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Speaker 4: these things and has the page numbers in Project twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five. So when you mentioned the fact checking, we've

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Speaker 4: tried to do that for the American people so that

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Speaker 4: you don't have to go through all nine hundred pages,

611
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Speaker 4: but you can see these things. And the Weather Service

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Speaker 4: is one of the areas that we flagged, you know,

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Speaker 4: right there with the page numbers that you're reading off of.

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Speaker 2: So right, so if you need to get into a

615
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Speaker 2: spirited Paul debate, you can be like no, and here

616
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Speaker 2: look right here where it says that. Because there are

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Speaker 2: plenty of people who are so dismissive too, because depending

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Speaker 2: on where you hear news, people are gonna be like,

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Speaker 2: it's just a friend, it's full of fringe stuff that

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Speaker 2: nobody's listening to. But again, anyone, like we were saying

621
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Speaker 2: at the top of the segment, is like no, about

622
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Speaker 2: nearly two thirds of the policy you know, ideas are

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Speaker 2: coming from the Heritage Foundation. So to act like it isn't,

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Speaker 2: I think is a huge.

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Speaker 4: I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I really worry about, like because the ability

627
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Speaker 1: to dismantle all of the important things that the federal

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Speaker 1: government does for us just feels like it's very low

629
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Speaker 1: hanging fruit in the United States. Like I just feel

630
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Speaker 1: like those stories don't get told that, like, oh, the

631
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Speaker 1: this is your tax dollars at work, Like unless someone's

632
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Speaker 1: saying sarcastically, they are your tax dollars at work, folks,

633
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Speaker 1: Like people don't actually ever report on what the National

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Speaker 1: Weather Serve, Like the important work that is being done

635
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Speaker 1: by these things is just treated as like a given

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Speaker 1: or it's like there's a there's a great anecdote and uh,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a Michael Lewis book where somebody is like,

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Speaker 1: why would we continue funding the National Weather Service when

639
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Speaker 1: we have weather dot Com, like we we have a

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Speaker 1: privatized version, And he's like, yeah, so they get all

641
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Speaker 1: their data from the.

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Speaker 4: National Weather Service exactly, that's uh.

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Speaker 1: But nobody like the way I feel like that this

644
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Speaker 1: like Wall Street mindset has invaded everybody in the United

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Speaker 1: States and they just don't want it to be true

646
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Speaker 1: that like all this federal government investment has given us

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Speaker 1: so many of the good things that we have today,

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Speaker 1: and so it just it feels like this is going

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Speaker 1: to be even though it would be. You know, we

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Speaker 1: saw what happened, like what Trump has done with weather

651
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Speaker 1: information that isn't convenient for him. We saw him like

652
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Speaker 1: change a hurricane map with a sharpie, like in front

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Speaker 1: of people, like on.

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Speaker 2: A national stage.

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Speaker 1: Like imagine what he'd do behind closed doors to actual

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Speaker 1: weather reporting at a time when global climate change makes

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Speaker 1: the case for scientists that we should be very afraid.

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Speaker 1: And like, you know, he obviously is on the side

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Speaker 1: where like you know, with fossil fuel companies and the

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Speaker 1: GOP that are claiming it's not you know, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: he's going to use that power.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, in really damaging ways and probably be

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Speaker 2: like and every hurricane will be called Obama or Clinton

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Speaker 2: after this. There's only two names, and they're all bad

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Speaker 2: and they're always the reason for your demise. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's I think I'm also curious too, like there's aside

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Speaker 2: from again the total just taking back of rights for

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Speaker 2: nearly every single person in the United States, what are

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Speaker 2: some of like the other policy goals that are being

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Speaker 2: underreported on because I think rightly, the like the huge

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Speaker 2: stuff that affects the largest number of people gets a lot.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like there's a lot of other things

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Speaker 2: that are really really could like a small policy shift

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Speaker 2: that can actually resonate in a huge way that we're

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Speaker 2: not really talking about absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I mean, one of them is overtime pay and the

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Speaker 4: eligibility standard for overtime. There's a call in the document

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Speaker 4: to change to revise that standard, which would disqualify millions

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Speaker 4: of Americans for overtime pay. So if they revise a

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Speaker 4: standard so that if you make a certain amount of

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Speaker 4: money and you qualify, now they may say, well that's

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Speaker 4: too much money, so you don't qualify for overtime pay.

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Speaker 4: And at a time where it's very hard for people

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Speaker 4: to make ends meet, this is a really troubling and

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Speaker 4: I think the estimates are about four point three million

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Speaker 4: people could lose eligibility to overtime. And you know that's extreme,

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Speaker 4: Like who doesn't believe that you should be paid for

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Speaker 4: the extra hours that you're working these jobs? But that's

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Speaker 4: that's one of the ones that I would point out.

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Speaker 4: The civil service has gotten a lot of there's been

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Speaker 4: there's been some press I think around schedule aff or

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Speaker 4: the attempts to purge the civil service, but I think

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Speaker 4: there's been less conversation about what that really means. It's

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Speaker 4: not just actually about people that work for the federal

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Speaker 4: government losing their job or being at risk of losing

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Speaker 4: their jobs. Certainly that would happen, but think about all

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Speaker 4: the things federal government employees do that we really take

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Speaker 4: for granted. I mean, think about an agency like the

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Speaker 4: FDA that's keeping our drug and food supply. Sing do

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Speaker 4: you want someone that's not an expert, like you know,

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Speaker 4: opining on sort of the particulate matter in a you know,

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Speaker 4: in a certain substance and whether that's safe or not.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's really scary for all of us, and

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Speaker 4: especially for those of us that are raising kids and

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Speaker 4: active in our communities. And so I think those are

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Speaker 4: some of the things that I think people are starting

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Speaker 4: to see it. It's unsettling people don't like Project twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five, but there's real ways this could like impact

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Speaker 4: one's day to day life in these real profound ways.

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Speaker 2: Because I just look at even like recently, there's like

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Speaker 2: that bores head facility had a listeria out and a

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Speaker 2: lot of that they're tying back to the things that

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Speaker 2: were rolled back under Trump to be like, well, it's

714
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Speaker 2: made a little too much oversight in this food processing

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Speaker 2: facility and now you have like listeria outbreaks because it

716
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Speaker 2: maybe wasn't deemed important enough or that we can trust

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Speaker 2: a company be like, yeah, man, just you're fine as

718
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Speaker 2: long as you guys are holding up to standards, will

719
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Speaker 2: believe you, and then cut to an outbreak of listeria

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Speaker 2: that's actually had terrible, terrible consequences for people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean another thing is like, so are prescription

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Speaker 4: drugs right? And the prescription drugs for many people are

723
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Speaker 4: not as affordable as they should be or as accessible

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Speaker 4: as they should be. And so Congress actually, under the

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Speaker 4: Biden the Harris administration, when it passed the Inflation Reduction Act,

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Speaker 4: there's a provision in there that allows Medicare to negotiate

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Speaker 4: drug prices, which would overall lead to greater affordability. We

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Speaker 4: right now at Democracy Forward, represent hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 4: doctors through medical associations like the American Medical Association and

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Speaker 4: others who are weighing in in court saying like this

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Speaker 4: is really important for public health. Twenty twenty five calls

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Speaker 4: for the repeal of that. And so where we've seen

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Speaker 4: some progress and seen some things that can make things

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Speaker 4: more affordable, make it easier for people to make ends

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Speaker 4: meet to take care of their family, product twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: five would would call that back head Start. And lots

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Speaker 4: of people in this country have either been a beneficiary

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Speaker 4: of head Start or families that are relying on Headstart

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Speaker 4: for early childhood development for young people. They want to

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Speaker 4: eliminate Headstart. I mean, this is basic stuff and a

741
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Speaker 4: lot of these programs are programs that have been supported

742
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Speaker 4: for many years by both Democrats and Republicans. They're not

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Speaker 4: particularly controversial programs, but yet it calls for the elimination

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Speaker 4: of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also, the dismantling of the FBI, I believe is in

747
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Speaker 1: there and not for the good reasons, but rather because

748
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Speaker 1: they're mean to Donald Trump. This was just eliminating for

749
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Speaker 1: me because I was like, oh shit, are we going

750
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Speaker 1: to have to spend the next four years rooting for

751
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Speaker 1: the FBI again? Like that should I feel like that

752
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Speaker 1: should be Kamala Harris's slogan, just like do you want

753
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Speaker 1: to spend another four years on the same side as

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Speaker 1: guys like James Komi in the FBI. No, you don't

755
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Speaker 1: like vote for me, you don't want to cheer for

756
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Speaker 1: the FBI again, guys, Come on.

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Speaker 2: I think the other thing, like you talk about in

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Speaker 2: the work you do, Skuy, is like the idea or

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Speaker 2: rather the fact that a lot of these terrible policies

760
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Speaker 2: it's here already. We don't need Project twenty twenty five

761
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Speaker 2: to know that these threats are actually clear and present

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Speaker 2: and in effect. And like again, even if Trump is defeated,

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Speaker 2: I think my worrying, like other people's is obviously the

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Speaker 2: ethos of this document lives on until you know, everything

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Speaker 2: is found to be illegal by a Supreme Court or

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Speaker 2: something like that. But like in Indiana, you're referencing like

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Speaker 2: states already having policies in place. Like in Indiana, I think

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Speaker 2: the Attorney General launched a site where basically parents can

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Speaker 2: docs and snitch on teachers that share quote objectionable curricula,

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Speaker 2: policies or programs, and they relate a lot of that

771
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Speaker 2: do like being justices of our country read like systemic

772
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Speaker 2: racism and other things like that that plague our society.

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Speaker 2: But what, like I guess, the long term to fight

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Speaker 2: all of this these mini Project twenty twenty fives, is

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Speaker 2: it that like again, the first step is probably to

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Speaker 2: defeat Project twenty twenty twenty five at a federal level.

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Speaker 2: But then now at the state level, what does that

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Speaker 2: fight look like for like legally and also just for

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Speaker 2: people to be aware and like, what is that sort

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Speaker 2: of look like to you?

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Speaker 4: Lots of work to do. So yes, first of all,

782
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Speaker 4: it could get worse, So let's not endorse Project twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five at the federal level, which I think is

784
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Speaker 4: people are understanding. But at the state level, one thing

785
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Speaker 4: is now we know this is a deeply unpopular agenda,

786
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Speaker 4: and so it's important that we take a close look

787
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Speaker 4: at what's being proposed in the states, and if it

788
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Speaker 4: appears in this Project twenty twenty five playbook, we need

789
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Speaker 4: to be saying that so that people understand what's at

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Speaker 4: stake in these policies. But the state of sessions will

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Speaker 4: start in the new year, and there will be a

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Speaker 4: lot of work to educate policymakers about what people's needs are,

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Speaker 4: and we and others will work on that with communities

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Speaker 4: in the states. And then when states pass unlawful and

795
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Speaker 4: harmful laws, it's time to go to court. And you know,

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Speaker 4: at Democracy Forward, we had to sue Texas because they're

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Speaker 4: blacklisting companies for their sustainable investments, I mean actually putting

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Speaker 4: businesses on a blacklist, and a state that's purporting my

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Speaker 4: home state, but a state that's purporting to be pro business,

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Speaker 4: I mean in Arkansas, We've had to sue to block

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Speaker 4: criminal penalties on librarians that Sarah Huckaby Sanders signed into law.

802
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Speaker 4: And so there's a lot of these extreme ideas already

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Speaker 4: taking foot, already becoming law, and there are things that

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Speaker 4: people can do. And so that's a great you know

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Speaker 4: plug for following our work at democracyfoard dot org. And

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Speaker 4: we can connect your listeners with a lot of other

807
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Speaker 4: organizations too that are going to be doing that work.

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Speaker 4: But we can't take our foot off the gas, even

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Speaker 4: if we're able to defeat this at the federal level,

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Speaker 4: because the threats are here and they're real, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's easy to forget too where

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Speaker 2: you're like that thing's too wild to pass, and like

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't happen. You don't realize, Oh, it's because

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Speaker 2: there were a lot of lawsuits that prevented that. So

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes it's easy to take for granted. It's

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Speaker 2: like the actual work that's done to be like no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: See they say something wild and out of pocket, and

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Speaker 2: then you have to go in and sue to prevent that.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise the door just opens. And then which and what.

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Speaker 4: That means is that people have to decide that they're

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Speaker 4: going to use their position that they're in to push back.

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Speaker 4: So in Texas, we're representing an association of businesses that's

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Speaker 4: having to use their position. We represent the generic manufacturer

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Speaker 4: of mythi pristone that has sued in West Virginia to

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Speaker 4: block an abortion van that makes it impossible to access

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Speaker 4: them and utilize their medication in the state. And these are,

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Speaker 4: you know, everyday decisions. And then we represent people like

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Speaker 4: parents and teachers that make a decision. But these are

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Speaker 4: everyday folks or small businesses that are deciding to use

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Speaker 4: their position in this time. So, you know, rest can

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Speaker 4: be overrated a little bit, even though it's good and

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Speaker 4: we've all got to get to work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just three years into the Trump administration and he's

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Speaker 1: able to put these plans into effect like that it

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Speaker 1: really does feel like it would be a complete like

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Speaker 1: post apocalyptic like what does that look like?

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Speaker 2: Would you imagine?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that we see a vision of that

839
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Speaker 4: in Project twenty twenty five, but in other things as well,

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Speaker 4: And you can look around the globe too to see

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Speaker 4: that the types of democratic backsliding in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 4: After January sixth, then I think January sixth is a

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Speaker 4: good place to look to see what things could look like.

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Speaker 4: But in January sixth, the United States has added to

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Speaker 4: a list of global backsliding democracies. And I mean we

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Speaker 4: are now on a list of democracies in the world

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Speaker 4: that are not moving forward but have been put moving

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Speaker 4: backwards because of election and violence and rises and political violence,

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Speaker 4: and so so I think that we can look at

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Speaker 4: some of the things that have happened in this country

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Speaker 4: and see that and what that could look like on

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Speaker 4: a greater and broader scale. They've been clear that they

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Speaker 4: want to engage in a retribution agenda. Last week there

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Speaker 4: was a news story that suggested that they would want

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Speaker 4: to jail people who criticize the Supreme Court, which is

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Speaker 4: a court whose majority has reversed the rights for over

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Speaker 4: half the population in this country, you know, on their watch.

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Speaker 4: And so I think that there's really no telling where

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Speaker 4: this goes. But the main thing that we know is

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Speaker 4: that one of the top tools that sort of more

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Speaker 4: authoritarian governments and leaders and far right leaders have is

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Speaker 4: to try to try to convince people that there's nothing

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Speaker 4: that they can do, that there's no reason to fight back,

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Speaker 4: there's no reason to sort of push back, that they

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Speaker 4: have it all in the bag, and this is where

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Speaker 4: we're going and there's nothing that you can do and

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Speaker 4: that you're powerless. And what the American story tells us,

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Speaker 4: and what our work every day tells us is that

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Speaker 4: people do have the power in this country. And so

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Speaker 4: that's what, you know, that's what we will be focused

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Speaker 4: on in all scenarios is making sure that people can

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Speaker 4: use all the tools our democracy provides to push back

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Speaker 4: and to defend their freedoms.

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Speaker 1: So what what are some of those tools that you

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Speaker 1: would say like that just to people who aren't you know,

876
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Speaker 1: legal experts, or what is ship posting?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean obviously ship posting is the main one, but

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Speaker 1: are there any others?

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Speaker 4: Or podcasting? So look, I think using you know, we

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Speaker 4: say this all the time that I mean certainly registering

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00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 4: and voting, but using your voice is important, and it's

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Speaker 4: not just important on social media or on podcast or

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Speaker 4: at big meetings. It is important that we're having these

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Speaker 4: conversations in our communities, that we're talking to people about

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00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 4: what it feels like to be someone who has either

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00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: experienced or rights violation or has a you know, has

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Speaker 4: a kid that's affected by one of these policies, or

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Speaker 4: you know how to love one or family member that

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Speaker 4: is or are themselves right, and that we're having these conversations.

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Speaker 4: So using the voice and making sure that people are

892
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Speaker 4: connected and not able to distance themselves and their experiences

893
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: from these broader ideas I think is really important. Obviously,

894
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Speaker 4: people can use the third branch of government, which they

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Speaker 4: don't utilize as much as they should, which is our

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Speaker 4: court system. And that's what we do at Democracy Forward

897
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Speaker 4: is we want to make sure people we represent all

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Speaker 4: of our clients free of charge. We want to make

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Speaker 4: sure that people have access to the courts and can

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Speaker 4: challenge harmful and unlawful activities in their local communities and

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00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 4: their state communities are at the federal level, and then

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Speaker 4: we see that people you know, use their voice in

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Speaker 4: federal government and state government as well. But there's a

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Speaker 4: lot that we can all do in this time to

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Speaker 4: stand up for our values and to stand up for

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Speaker 4: our country.

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Speaker 1: Great, when you're talking about democracies backsliding, what are some

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Speaker 1: examples that people could like look to to read about

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Speaker 1: in other countries? Like, what are some other countries that

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00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: are experiencing the same sort of democratic backsliding, either now

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Speaker 1: or throughout history.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a there's a great report. So if

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Speaker 4: you google the twenty twenty one Democratic BACKSID, it was

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Speaker 4: an International Institute of Democracy in Electoral Assistance idea International

915
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Speaker 4: Institute of Democracy and Electoral Assistance is what places the

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Speaker 4: US on the list, and you can read about other

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Speaker 4: countries that are also on that list. And then the

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Speaker 4: Carnegie Institute has done some really good research and publication

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Speaker 4: about the types of trends in the United States. What

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Speaker 4: is happening is that there's this active, what we call

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00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 4: a countermajoritarian movement, right, so, a movement that doesn't represent

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Speaker 4: the vast majority of people in this country, that nevertheless

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Speaker 4: is wielding large amounts of political power, whether that is

924
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Speaker 4: through misinformation, whether it's through gerrymandering and structural issues that

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Speaker 4: are keeping people from being represented. Project twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 4: by the way, this is what I told Congress is

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Speaker 4: an example of that. You have a policy that is

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Speaker 4: completely unpopular and harmful to vast majority of the people,

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Speaker 4: but yet it is taking this national and it's because

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Speaker 4: of this ecosystem of far right actors. So you can

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Speaker 4: read more about that, and I'm happy to come back

932
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Speaker 4: on and chat about it. But that is I think

933
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Speaker 4: that we have to view Project twenty twenty five in

934
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Speaker 4: this broader context, which is the type of this type

935
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Speaker 4: of testimony I gave a few weeks ago, and also

936
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Speaker 4: just remembering January sixth, I mean, we had a disruption

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Speaker 4: in the peaceful transition of presidential power for the first

938
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Speaker 4: time in our countries of modern history, and so those

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Speaker 4: are really concerning.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much Scott for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having We really appreciate you taking the

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Speaker 1: time out of your busy schedule. Where can people find you,

943
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 1: follow you, find out more about your work.

944
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Speaker 4: Yeah, go to Democracyford dot org. Definitely get the people's

945
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 4: guide to Project twenty twenty five, but learn more about

946
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 4: our work. You can follow us on all of our

947
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 4: social media channels. We even have TikTok and have some

948
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 4: interesting videos people love that have been going viral, especially

949
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Speaker 4: around Product twenty twenty five. So Democracy Forward, Democracyford dot

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Speaker 4: org and I'm sky Perriman. You can find me on

951
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 4: Twitter and It's and all this channels as well.

952
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Speaker 1: Right, and is there a work of media that you've

953
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Speaker 1: been enjoying?

954
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Speaker 2: Last question?

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Speaker 4: A work of media? Not this, I mean in addition

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Speaker 4: to this, Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, I mean it could be this, Yeah, it's

958
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Speaker 2: could be this good and wild.

959
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Speaker 4: Robot, Wild Robot was good. You know, I really I

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Speaker 4: enjoy I have been enjoying sort of follow up thing.

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Speaker 4: I think that I do think that a lot of

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Speaker 4: videos that are being made and posted on like sort

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Speaker 4: of Instagram reels that are taking perspectives from various you know,

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Speaker 4: local media. I read a lot of local papers. I

965
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 4: read a lot of local papers. Had a mentor one

966
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Speaker 4: time that told me, whenever you go to a tad

967
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Speaker 4: travel a lot for work, you know, pick up the

968
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Speaker 4: local paper and read it. I love reading the editorial

969
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Speaker 4: pages of local papers and seeing what's up in communities,

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Speaker 4: including the small town that I'm from, which I still

971
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Speaker 4: take that paper. So I love doing that, but recently

972
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Speaker 4: we've been seeing lots of great influencers and creators be

973
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 4: able to put a lot of that perspective, you know,

974
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Speaker 4: put a lot of that protect about on reels and

975
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 4: video and that's that's really fun and I think it's

976
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 4: it's a good way to engage cross generationally. We want

977
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Speaker 4: to watch a lot of those at our house with

978
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Speaker 4: young people and it's great, awesome, great.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you again for joining us. And Miles,

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Speaker 1: where can people find you as their working media you've

981
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Speaker 1: been enjoying?

982
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Speaker 2: Yes, find me Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.

983
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Speaker 5: If you like basketball podcast, Jack and I always have

984
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Speaker 5: a basketball podcast called Miles and Jacko Mad Boosties. If

985
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Speaker 5: you like Tindy Day Fiance, I also talk about that

986
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Speaker 5: on four twenty Day Fiance. Work of Media.

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Speaker 2: I like, so, as somebody who famously has not seen

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Speaker 2: all the Marvel films, we wanted to watch that new

989
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Speaker 2: Catherine Han like Agatha all the Time show. But then

990
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Speaker 2: I was like, I think I need to see WandaVision

991
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Speaker 2: before I understand this. And then they're like they're like,

992
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: to understand WandaVision, you need to know all these other things.

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Speaker 2: So I decide. I just look, I'm jumping into WandaVision,

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Speaker 2: and so far I really like it, even though I'm

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Speaker 2: probably missing a lot of the references, but so far

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Speaker 2: enjoying it. So I'm just gonna say that. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm with I'm rocking with Wanda right now

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Speaker 2: if you read.

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Speaker 1: The King Jam's Bible and the Iliad, because I feel

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Speaker 1: like you're gonna need to understand both of those to

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Speaker 1: get one division, and then those will.

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Speaker 2: Explain a couple of the other.

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Speaker 1: Lady, yeah, right, right right, and finally get up to WandaVision.

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Speaker 2: No, not yet, not yet.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore Obrian

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Speaker 1: piece of media. I've been enjoyed. So I read the

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Speaker 1: book three Body Problem, and then the second in the trilogy,

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Speaker 1: The Dark Forest. I have not finished the third one,

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Speaker 1: but I just watched the HBO or sorry no Netflix

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Speaker 1: adaptation by benioffen Wis and it's fine.

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Speaker 2: But I did enjoy it because it.

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Speaker 1: Has a scene involving nano fibers that I had like

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Speaker 1: in the book blew my mind. I was like, this

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Speaker 1: is one of the coolest cinematic scenes that I could imagine,

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Speaker 1: can't wait to see what they do with that, and

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Speaker 1: they did it right. I feel like it was pretty

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Speaker 1: wild scene. Anyways, you can find us on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: daily Zeikeeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We

1019
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: have a Facebook fanpage and a website dailyzeikeist dot com

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Speaker 1: where we post our episodes and our footnotes. So we'll

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Speaker 1: link off to the information that we talked about in

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Speaker 1: today's episode, as well as a song that we think

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Speaker 1: you might enjoy. Miles, what's the song you think people

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Speaker 1: might enjoy?

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Speaker 2: This is a track from the New Jersey based artist

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Speaker 2: fifty four Ultra and it's called Heaven Knows and it's

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Speaker 2: again another one of these like modern bands that's doing

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Speaker 2: something that I was like, is this like a last

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Speaker 2: like late sixties motown B side I've never heard? But no,

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Speaker 2: it's a song from like this the last two years

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Speaker 2: and the guy's whole aesthetic is really dope and if

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Speaker 2: you like that kind of music, you're gonna love this one.

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Speaker 2: So this is Heaven Knows by the artist fifty four Ultra.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, we will link off to that in the

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Speaker 1: footnote for Daily Zeigeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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Speaker 1: more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple podcaster, wherever Fine podcast will give it away for free.

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Speaker 1: That is going to do it for us this morning.

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Speaker 1: We are back this afternoon to tell you what is

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Speaker 1: trending and we will talk to you all that.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye