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Speaker 3: Everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric and this is next question. Texas

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Speaker 3: Representative Jasmine Crockett has only been in Congress since twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three, but she's quickly become one of the most

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Speaker 3: as we saw during her now famous encounter with Marjorie

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: We have so much to talk about, so much going

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Speaker 2: Yeah. May I call you Jasmine?

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, because I really enjoyed reading about you. I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so growing up in Saint Louis, it was a

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Speaker 1: It truly led me down the political path being a

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Speaker 1: not clean, and so they were like, you're living with

442
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Speaker 1: your mom and this is you know, how she's living.

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Speaker 2: You did something a killer with no evidence.

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Speaker 1: And this guy, you know, in my opinion, probably struggled

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Speaker 1: a little bit mentally because he was in his fifties

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Speaker 1: or sixties and he was still living with mom and

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Speaker 1: some other things, and he was depressed and he was

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Speaker 1: overweight and he stopped eating. And I remember telling him

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Speaker 1: in the jail, I'm like, my client's not eating, Like

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Speaker 1: we need to do something.

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Speaker 2: We need to make sure that you know, he's alive.

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Speaker 1: And they kind of looked at him, thinking he's overweight,

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Speaker 1: he'll be fine, and he died, and after he died,

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Speaker 1: they determined that his mom died of natural causes, and

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Speaker 1: so like, it's just hard to imagine a world where

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Speaker 1: you don't have enough people that care to do right

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Speaker 1: by people. And so that same kind of like passion

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Speaker 1: that carried me through as a public defender, that led

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Speaker 1: me to want to change laws, is the same passion

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Speaker 1: this many years later. These are the real life experiences

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Speaker 1: that I know can take place when there's bad people

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Speaker 1: that are in power or just people that just don't care.

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Speaker 1: So when we go through things like the Reconciliation Package

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Speaker 1: and thinking about the harm that will happen not just

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Speaker 1: to my constituents but just generally, I carry that weight

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Speaker 1: with me.

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Speaker 2: Because you've seen it up close.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you mentioned Republican and Democrat attitudes. But I

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Speaker 3: also think it's interesting to note that Democrats don't have

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Speaker 3: a great track record necessarily of criminal justice reform. When

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Speaker 3: you think about the three strikes law being passed under

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Speaker 3: Bill Clinton, right, yeah, yeah, so I think that for

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Speaker 3: a long time this criminal justice reform wasn't looked on

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Speaker 3: kindly by either party.

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Speaker 1: No, no, that you know, the answer, especially to the

476
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Speaker 1: crack epidemic was just lock everybody up, block everybody up,

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Speaker 1: lock everybody up. And we've seen a similar situation with

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Speaker 1: meth and now we're saying, you know, I mean they

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Speaker 1: continue to do it with every new kind of dangerous drug.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's like the issue with the borders,

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Speaker 1: all the drugs, and I'm like, there's all kinds of

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Speaker 1: drugs that have always come across the border, and they

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Speaker 1: will continue to come across the border. Like that's just

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Speaker 1: kind of a thing. And this idea of incarcerating, incarceratingcarc rate,

485
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Speaker 1: it's never fixed it. It's never fixed it. Like we're

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Speaker 1: still trying to do the same thing to fix the

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Speaker 1: same problem and it's still not being fixed. And so

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Speaker 1: instead of getting to the root cause of the problems, right,

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Speaker 1: like figuring out why is it that addiction is not

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Speaker 1: fixed by incarceration, and like working on addiction so that

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Speaker 1: you can drive down the demand for this illegal kind

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Speaker 1: of narcotics circle that we find ourselves in, or finding

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Speaker 1: out like what causes someone to be more inclined to

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Speaker 1: even engage in drugs, and like fixing those things, fixing

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Speaker 1: the environments because for some people it's environmental for some people,

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Speaker 1: it's literally self medication, you know, when we look at

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Speaker 1: so many of our unhoused people, and when we look

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Speaker 1: at our veterans, and we look at like the fact

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Speaker 1: that we don't have adequate access to healthcare, especially when

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Speaker 1: we start to talk about mental health care, Like, I'm

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Speaker 1: just like, there's a lot that we could do. We

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Speaker 1: could maybe invest in mental health and maybe take a

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Speaker 1: little bit out of incertion and maybe we will get

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Speaker 1: a bigger and better results.

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Speaker 3: So addressing the root causes of a lot of these

506
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Speaker 3: social ills really made you want to go into politics

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Speaker 3: to try to see what you could do, obviously fueled

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Speaker 3: by your experience as a lawyer. And you have only

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Speaker 3: been in Congress since twenty twenty three, right, And I'm

510
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Speaker 3: curious when you got there, I'm sure you had big

511
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Speaker 3: aspirations for fixing the system or addressing some of these

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Speaker 3: root causes. I'm curious, Jasmine, what you found when you

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Speaker 3: got to Washington and had this opportunity. Did you feel

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Speaker 3: like you could actually do some of the things you

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Speaker 3: set out to do or were you immediately frustrated?

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Speaker 2: What did you think?

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Speaker 1: So I was green going into the Texas House by

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Speaker 1: the time I came to the US House, I understood.

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Speaker 2: So you started obviously at the state level.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So when I went into the Texas House, that's

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Speaker 1: where I was like, Okay.

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Speaker 2: This is my time. You know.

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Speaker 1: I was absolutely positive that because I had actual experience

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Speaker 1: in these spaces, that people would say, oh, she's the

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Speaker 1: experienced one, and they would listen, and boy was I wrong.

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Speaker 1: And so it's interesting by the time I got to

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Speaker 1: the federal level, I would say that my expectations had

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Speaker 1: been tempered. But one of the kind of things that

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Speaker 1: really made me say, you know what, I can go

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Speaker 1: ahead and go for the federal level is that there

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Speaker 1: was a former ambassador under Clinton actually who was really

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Speaker 1: trying to convince me that I should consider going to

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Speaker 1: the federal level. And I was like, no, I mean,

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Speaker 1: stuff is messed up enough in Texas. I'll just deal

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Speaker 1: with this nonsense down here, like, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: go to a bigger mess. And he said, at least

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Speaker 1: if you go to the federal level, there's a chance

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Speaker 1: that you may end up in the majority.

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Speaker 2: You are not going to be in the majority in Texas.

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Speaker 1: And he was like, and even when you're not in

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Speaker 1: the majority, you have so much more access to resources

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Speaker 1: to be able to send to your district. He was like,

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Speaker 1: I think that you'll like it better from that vantage point,

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Speaker 1: just being able to do more. And true, I've been

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Speaker 1: able to do more.

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Speaker 2: Is it enough? No?

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Speaker 1: Am I competitive? And do I want us to end

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Speaker 1: up in the majority so.

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Speaker 2: That I can actually get things done? Yeah? Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: You know I know how to play defense, I mean,

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Speaker 1: for sure, but that's not where I want to be.

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Speaker 2: I want to be on offense.

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Speaker 3: You have been clearly one of the rising stars of

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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. You have an enormous social media following.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about some of your strong responses on Capitol

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Speaker 3: Hill in a moment. But why do you think you

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Speaker 3: have been able to connect with people, especially young people,

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Speaker 3: because you have a big following among younger voters gen

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Speaker 3: Z voters especially. What is it you think, Jasmine?

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Speaker 1: I think it's the fact that I don't sound like

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Speaker 1: a politician all the time. Instead, I sound more relatable

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00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: and like a frustrated American. You know, as everything has

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00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: kind of fallen apart around us, we still have some

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Speaker 1: very good political figures that are seemingly holding it together

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Speaker 1: in front of the camera.

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Speaker 2: And I'm looking like, what the hell, you know. And

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Speaker 2: I think that how.

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Speaker 3: Can they hold it together? How can they be so controlled?

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 1: And I think that when people are reading the room

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Speaker 1: or reading them, they're thinking, Okay, something's wrong with you,

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Speaker 1: Like you are straight up just political, like you're a machine.

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Speaker 1: And people are more trusting, in my opinion, of people

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Speaker 1: that they feel like are relating to their feelings. And

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Speaker 1: I am completely frustrated.

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00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: But also who are unvarnished and emotional and direct and

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Speaker 2: talk like you talk to your neighbor over a cup

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00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: of coffee exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I think ultimately, you know, one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I've talked to the caucus is about consistently is

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Speaker 1: being authentic. And my authentic self is not going to

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00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: be who everyone else is in the caucus. But your authenticity,

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00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: whoever you are, it comes through, and there's someone that

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Speaker 1: can relate to you. There's someone that can relate to

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Speaker 1: all of us.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it interesting that that's what people credit Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: with being authentic, not sounding like a politician, being unedited, unvarnished,

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00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: you know, no four second delay between his brain and

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00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: his mouth. But it's interesting, isn't it? He's authentic? But

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Speaker 3: I guess the question is authentically what. I don't think

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00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: he's authentic, You don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't because he lies all the time, and I

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Speaker 1: think that you have to be honest to be authentic.

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Speaker 1: I will say that people were more inclined to be

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Speaker 1: accepting of him because he did not sound like a politician,

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00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: and so for them they read it as authenticity. But

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00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: as so many people are getting frustrated with him because

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00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: they're like, well, wait a minute, you said you were

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00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: going to do this, but you're doing something else. He's

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Speaker 1: not a true and honest kind of person. And I

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Speaker 1: think to be authentic you have to be that. You know,

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Speaker 1: there were people that felt like, oh, he's one of me, right,

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00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: Like he's like me. And it's like, no, he's a

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00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: NEPO baby. He's not like you, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that there are you know, NEPO

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Speaker 1: babies that come across authentic. But he was able to

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Speaker 1: connect with I do think he had an authentic connection

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Speaker 1: with certain people's frustration in general, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Think, Well, I mean I think he recognized it.

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Speaker 3: He certainly didn't have a connection yeah right, yeah, So

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Speaker 3: he was almost costplain in a way.

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Speaker 2: Was it he or isn't he? Yes.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's the best way to say it,

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00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: is that he's costplaying, But he wasn't costplaying as a politician,

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00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: and I think people were more inclined to believe, well,

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Speaker 1: this guy must be honest. Who would say half of

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00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: these things unless they're being honest?

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Speaker 2: Right like?

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Speaker 1: Because he says the craziest things and does the craziest things,

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Speaker 1: so it was read as honesty, and they would even

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Speaker 1: give them passes for things that are completely inappropriate because

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Speaker 1: they'd say, oh, well, I mean, at least he's being honest,

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Speaker 1: right at least I know what I'm getting with him,

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00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, you don't, and now you're finding out.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk more about the Trump administration, but

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Speaker 3: I will also want to talk about President Biden, because

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00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 3: when other people were pressuring him to step down, even

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00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 3: when your caucus was wavering, you stood firmly behind him.

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Speaker 3: And I'm curious how you feel with some of these

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Speaker 3: revelations about his decline and energy and perhaps even mental

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Speaker 3: acuity that we've been reading about, and if it's given

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00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: you any pause and any regret, not a single one.

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Speaker 1: I still stand by the decision to stand with President

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00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and then ultimately standing with Vice President Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why the average person has not

636
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Speaker 1: been given the level of access that the average member

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Speaker 1: of Congress has to the president. I never saw anything

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Speaker 1: in Joe Biden that made me wonder whatsoever. And it's

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Speaker 1: not that I was with Joe Biden every single day,

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00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: that's for sure. But as I talked about my grandparents,

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Speaker 1: the way that I would describe Joe is, I mean,

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00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: he's a granddaddy, right, and so like you know, the

643
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: way that my granny was when she was younger versus

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00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: ultimately kind of where she was at eighty one when

645
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: she ended up passing away. Mentally she was still there,

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00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: but like her attitude about certain things like whether or

647
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Speaker 1: not she was looking to be as polished or cared

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00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: to be as polished, or even if she moved as fast,

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00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: it just wasn't there. We all slow down. But I

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00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: will tell you that I will take a broken or

651
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: however they want to describe Joe Biden over Donald Trump

652
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: any given day, because number one, I know Joe Biden's heart,

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Speaker 1: and I can tell you that when you look at

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Speaker 1: the legislation that he was able to push forward with

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Speaker 1: This wasn't legislation that was about him and his rich friends.

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Speaker 1: It was legislation that was for the good of the

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Speaker 1: American people. And when you look at the people that

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Speaker 1: he surrounded himself with, even if you're saying that there

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Speaker 1: was a mentally deficient Joe Biden, I know that he

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Speaker 1: apptsolutely had a mental acuity that is supreme when it

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Speaker 1: comes to comparing him to Donald Trump, because at least

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Speaker 1: he kept good people around him. He kept people that

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Speaker 1: would keep us safe in this country. He kept people

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Speaker 1: that would make sure that even as tensions were rising

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Speaker 1: all around the world, that we were keeping those tempered.

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Speaker 1: He was able to understand with his level of mental acuity,

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Speaker 1: who our friends were. He was not getting us into

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Speaker 1: unwarranted terrafors and things like that. So even if we

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Speaker 1: want to say, which I refuse to accept, that Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden was mentally deficient, let me tell you something. His

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Speaker 1: mental deficiency is still a thousand times better than what

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Speaker 1: we currently have. And so, you know, I just wish

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Speaker 1: that ultimately this country would judge each of our leaders

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Speaker 1: with the same measuring stick we do not.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of pressure that was put on

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of criticisms that were lodged at

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Speaker 1: him as well as Kamala Harris. Now, the question is

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Speaker 1: why is it that none of these critiques came about

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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump? Right, Because when you think about it,

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris light years ahead of Donald Trump, as relates

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Speaker 1: to qualifications, as relates to her overall resume, and as

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Speaker 1: it relates to the fact that she was a lot younger.

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Speaker 1: Everybody said that they wanted to get rid of Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden because he was too old. Then you had a

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Speaker 1: younger qualified, non felon candidate, and somehow the people still

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Speaker 1: chose the old white man. So like for me, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was ever about that. I think Democrats

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Speaker 1: have for a very long time allowed Republicans to play them.

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Speaker 1: So essentially, Republicans came up with a narrative and Democrats

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Speaker 1: decided to play into that, and that only hurt the

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Speaker 1: Democrats because ultimately they still went with a very old man.

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Speaker 2: Right, what was the narrative? You think the narrative was.

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Speaker 1: That Joe Biden was too old and that he was

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Speaker 1: seen now, right, like that was the narrative that the

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Speaker 1: Republicans went with and the Democrats picked up on it

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Speaker 1: and bought it. I mean, think about the number of

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Speaker 1: resignations that we've seen out of Democrats right, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, one person gets accused of something, they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you got to step down, just an accusation, right, And

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Speaker 1: it's usually like the right will kind of fuel it

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Speaker 1: because they know the Democrats will eat their own. And

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Speaker 1: it's not to say that we shouldn't have standards, but

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Speaker 1: it is to say that we should understand what we're

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Speaker 1: being played. And so I kept saying, we stand by

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden because he has a record to run on.

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Speaker 2: Now, whether or not we were getting.

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Speaker 1: Out there and communicating effectively about that record, I say

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Speaker 1: we didn't. And I say that it had to be

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Speaker 1: a team sport. It couldn't just be that, you know,

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Speaker 1: we were relying on the president to get all the

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Speaker 1: information out.

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Speaker 2: It was incumbent upon us.

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Speaker 1: We were supposed to go into our districts with these

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Speaker 1: big fake checks and make sure all the local media

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Speaker 1: was there and we talk about the investments that were

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Speaker 1: being made and make sure that they knew Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: did this, that new facility, Joe Biden did that, like

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Speaker 1: it was up to us to really be good partners.

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Speaker 2: And you don't think Democrats were.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that we were. Instead, if we spent

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Speaker 1: half as much time beating down Joe Biden as we

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Speaker 1: did uplifting, all that was accomplished, and it got accomplished

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Speaker 1: in only two years because he only had the House

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Speaker 1: in the Senate for two years. Ultimately, when the history

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Speaker 1: books are written, he will go down as a very

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Speaker 1: accomplished president, as one of our best presidents. But if

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Speaker 1: people don't know, if we're not communicating, then it's almost

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Speaker 1: like we didn't do anything. And I still think that

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Speaker 1: we are struggling with figuring out how to communicate out

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Speaker 1: to the general public.

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Speaker 3: Hi everyone, it's me Katie Couric. You know, if you've

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Speaker 3: ask you about the Democratic Party because obviously it has

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Speaker 3: gotten tons of criticism and you're saying that Democrats should

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Speaker 3: have supported Joe Biden. But I think many Americans feel

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Speaker 3: like the Democratic Party is lost, feckless, cannot get their

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Speaker 3: shit together to be just to say it, you know, real,

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Speaker 3: what do you think the Democratic Party needs to do

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Speaker 3: to reinvigorate itself, to have a leader, to have some

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Speaker 3: organizing principle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, first of all, I think we need to rebrand.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we've ever invested in branding. I

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Speaker 1: can't really tell you what our brand is.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's diverse, and maybe that's part of the problem, right,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't speak with one voice. There are a lot

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Speaker 3: of different voices it is, which isn't necessarily bad.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that it's actually one of our strengths.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that the Republicans have branded us

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Speaker 1: as weak, right that I mean when people like you say,

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Speaker 1: e feckless, right, Like, I mean, we've been branded as weak,

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Speaker 1: and I think when people are looking for leadership, you

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Speaker 1: don't ever when you go through and you say list

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Speaker 1: the act of a leader week is not one of

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Speaker 1: those attributes that anyone will ever list as a descriptor.

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Speaker 2: So I think that number one, we.

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Speaker 1: Have to brand ourselves as something other than we've been

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Speaker 1: branded as elitist and weak, and I think that we

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Speaker 1: have to be branded as strong as well as for everyone.

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Speaker 3: You know, I hear weak, But I think it's interesting

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Speaker 3: because why is tolerance and acceptance branded is weak?

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you why is branded is weak, but

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Speaker 1: it has been and I think I think because we

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Speaker 1: have had kind of a turn the cheek type of

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Speaker 1: attitude like we're going to always be the adults in

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Speaker 1: the room.

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Speaker 2: And we are. We are still going to be the

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Speaker 2: adults in the room.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when you've got people that are beating

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Speaker 1: you down and then you don't really respond, I think

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Speaker 1: that people are like, okay, like are you gonna fight

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Speaker 1: for me? You're not fighting for yourself, right, And so

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Speaker 1: I think that there are ways to do it, and

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Speaker 1: I think we're starting to get our footing. But I

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Speaker 1: think for the longest, we have so many institutionalists that

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Speaker 1: believe that if I just show you how the institution

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Speaker 1: is supposed to work, then Marjorie Taylor Green and others,

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Speaker 1: you will come into the fold and you'll start to

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Speaker 1: respect the institution.

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Speaker 2: They don't care.

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Speaker 1: Like you need to evaluate some of these kind of

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Speaker 1: new actors, including the president himself, and say like no,

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Speaker 1: like we can't play foot. See like this guy is

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Speaker 1: like punching people in the face, whether we're talking about

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Speaker 1: presidents and leaders of other countries. I mean, he's completely

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Speaker 1: disrespectful and ignores all norms, and I think we have

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Speaker 1: to deal with him in the way that he is.

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Speaker 1: I think that we go back to showing the world

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Speaker 1: and the country what leadership should look like, which is thoughtful,

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Speaker 1: which is compassionate, while also being very strong. When we

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Speaker 1: got the White House bag like we do it like

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Speaker 1: once we're the ones in the seats.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that we do it from afar.

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Speaker 1: And I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic

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Speaker 1: nominee for president will be someone that has been out

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Speaker 1: there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to

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Speaker 1: be punched in the face and just say thank you,

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Speaker 1: like they will punch back.

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Speaker 2: I think that that's what's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: That's a perfect segue to your encounter. Obviously you're infamous,

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Speaker 3: famous encounter with Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen. Do you know what we're here for? You

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Speaker 2: know we're here. What you're here for? Well, you do

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Speaker 2: want talking about?

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Speaker 1: I guess order.

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Speaker 4: I do have a point of order, and I would

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Speaker 4: like to move to to take down miss Green's words.

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Speaker 4: That is absolutely unacceptable. How dare you, I mean, are

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Speaker 4: your feelings her words down?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Oh girl, baby girl?

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Speaker 4: Oh really, don't even play, baby girl. We are gonna

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Speaker 4: move and we're gonna take your words down there second motion.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, just to better understand your ruling. If

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Speaker 1: someone on this committee then starts talking about somebody's bleach blonde,

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Speaker 1: bad built, butch body, that would not be engaging in personalities.

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Speaker 2: Correct. Oh what now?

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Speaker 3: All right, take us back to that moment, Jasmine. First

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Speaker 3: of all, how you had kind of the hutzpah to

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Speaker 3: come back at her and sort of what that whole

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Speaker 3: experience was like for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really annoyed. That was a bad day.

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Speaker 1: On that day, the vast majority of the Republicans on

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Speaker 1: the Oversight Committee decided that they would venture up to

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Speaker 1: New York, so we did not have committee when we

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Speaker 1: were supposed to have committee earlier in the day. So

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Speaker 1: the Democrats were at work while the Republicans were on

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Speaker 1: a field trip to support there soon to be felonious candidate.

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Speaker 1: And so we had to have our hearing at eight pm,

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Speaker 1: and she was still talking about Judge Mrshawan, And that's

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Speaker 1: not what the hearing was about, whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: The hearing was about.

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Speaker 1: Our attorney general and whether or not he should be

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Speaker 1: held in content. And so I was like, what are

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Speaker 1: we doing? You know, like, you guys finally show up

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Speaker 1: to work and then you don't even know what you're

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Speaker 1: here for.

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Speaker 2: And then that's when she decided to kind of insult you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so the thing is, it was a clear

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Speaker 1: violation of the rules, and Comer didn't quite understand that

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Speaker 1: he would lose a vote. So it was my understanding

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Speaker 1: he was going to rule against her if she failed

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Speaker 1: to apologize, but she was going to apologize. Then she

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Speaker 1: was like, I'm not gonna apologize, Like I'm not apologizing,

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Speaker 1: and so then Jamie Raskin was like, well, she's gonna

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Speaker 1: have to go because that's the rule like, once we

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Speaker 1: take down your words, then you you got to go.

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Speaker 2: You can't rule is if you attack someone personally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then you are engaging in personalities and then you

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Speaker 1: take down their words and so it's a part of

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Speaker 1: the record and then what happens is they're not allowed

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Speaker 1: to participate for the rest of that committee hearing. Well,

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Speaker 1: he was concerned about his numbers because not everyone has

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Speaker 1: showed up for this eight pm he vote, and he

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Speaker 1: needed her vote and so next thing, you know, they

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Speaker 1: were like, oh, he's gonna, you know, change his ruling.

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Speaker 1: I was like what And so you know, I looked

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Speaker 1: over and I was like, I cannot let this like

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Speaker 1: slad like it was so pissed because I was like,

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Speaker 1: you guys are ignored the rules. And so that's when

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Speaker 1: I looked over at her and wrote it down on

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Speaker 1: a piece of paper and from hand to toe, trust

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Speaker 1: her down and I asked, and I did it in

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Speaker 1: the form of a parliamentary inquiry because I did not

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Speaker 1: want to violate the rules, but I also wanted to

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Speaker 1: teach a lesson about how bad this could go.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, yeah, and you credit your granny, yes

876
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 3: for coming up with some of the bad monology.

877
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: Yes, she used to call people bad built. See, once

878
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: they get to a certain age, they just say whatever.

879
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: And that was one of the things that she used

880
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: to do in her older age. She would look at

881
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: people and call them bad built.

882
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: You got a lot of feedback for that exchange or

883
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: that comment or that what did you call it? Parliamentary

884
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 3: and it was a skit on SNL And I'm sure

885
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: you heard from a lot of people. I'm sure you

886
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: heard both positive and negative. But was it mostly positive?

887
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: It was mostly positive?

888
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 2: And what were people saying to you?

889
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: People were really happy that the bully finally got bullied,

890
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: but in a very creative, classy way that kind of

891
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: showed my mental superiority. So people were really happy, I

892
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: mean even Republicans. I was getting high fives from Republican

893
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 1: colleagues and winks and different people being like, I think.

894
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: Your eyelashes are great, you know.

895
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: Like, so there was a lot of positivity really from

896
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: both sides of the aisle, not just in the chamber

897
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: but also like outside, And you know, the one response

898
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: I didn't really expect to have was just the number

899
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: of like women of color that talked about some of

900
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: their work spaces and just the level of disrespect that

901
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: they get and just being able to see me stand

902
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: up for myself and Congress really made them feel like

903
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: that they could stand up for themselves as well, and

904
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: that they needed to dig into their own kind of

905
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: rules in their own organizations. But they felt like, you

906
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: know what, if a congresswoman can do this, I can

907
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: as well. Now they weren't going out calling people Bleachmond

908
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: that built bitch bodies, but you know, just at least

909
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: standing up for themselves and feeling confident to do it.

910
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 3: But what, you know, what do you say to those

911
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 3: who believe this is kind of a breakdown of decorum

912
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 3: and civility in Congress? There's that argument, you know, the

913
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama when they go low, we go high attitude.

914
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: You know, this whole idea that I'm sure you grew

915
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: up with your mom seeing this, you know, you don't

916
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 3: want to sync to their level type thing. Yeah, did

917
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: it give you any pause to say, you know what

918
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: you were talking about, these people who want to protect

919
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: the institution, or do you think that that's not at

920
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 3: this point in time or at this moment in history,

921
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: the way to go.

922
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

923
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: I still think that, you know, I did it in

924
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: such a way that kind of walked a line of

925
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: sorts because that was not my first thought. Oh, when

926
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: I got insulted, it was to you know, throw an

927
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: insult like right back. And so I think, I think

928
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: that there are ways to do this, but I definitely

929
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: think that we've got to do something. So I think

930
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: that this is just kind of where we are. And

931
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: I recall when my predecessor chose me. One of the

932
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: things that she talked about, and she had been there

933
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: for thirty years, she said, Congress isn't what it used

934
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: to be. And that's saying a lot when you've been

935
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: there for thirty years. I mean, she was basically like,

936
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: this place is going to hell in a hand basket,

937
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: is basically what she was telling me. So I think

938
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: that we have different generations of fighters for different fights,

939
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: and I think that we will get back on track.

940
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: I do. I think that people will get weary of.

941
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: This, and you know, I feel like there's a little

942
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: bit of that that's already kind of sinking in. But

943
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: until we get these type of bad actors out, I

944
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: think that it needs to be clear that if y'all

945
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: want to fight, we can fight. But honestly, I just

946
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: want The only type of fighting that I want to

947
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: do is in the form of legislation that will better

948
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: the lives of my constituents in front, better the labs

949
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: of the vast majority of theirs as well.

950
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 3: Do you find other Democrats are more willing to take

951
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 3: the gloves off now than they used to be?

952
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: I think those of us that haven't been in institutions

953
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: too long are more willing and more apt.

954
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk to you about some of

955
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 3: the things that are going on in this country, Jasmine,

956
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: before you go, what do you think about what has

957
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 3: happened in la and calling up the National Guard, the

958
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: Marines and basically saying this could happen in every state

959
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 3: in our country.

960
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: I truly have no words.

961
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: You know, you grow up as a little girl in

962
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: this country and you think, man, this is a great

963
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: place to live and it's only going to get better,

964
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: and then you become the adult version of me, and

965
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: you have a president that is openly just a criminal,

966
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: like not just the convictions he's got, consistently breaking laws,

967
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: ignoring court orders, violating the Constitution, and doing it all

968
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: because he really is seeking this retribution, this retribution that

969
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: he campaigned on.

970
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 2: He said, I will be your retribution.

971
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: And so this idea that we don't care how many

972
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: people get hurt, we don't care how we prostitute our

973
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: service members, you know, thinking that you have your own

974
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: special little army that's for you. I mean, it is

975
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: just it is sick. It is really sick, and anybody

976
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: that supports it is also sick. And so you know,

977
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: we've got a mental health crisis in this country because everyone,

978
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: no matter how you affiliate yourself, should be against Trump.

979
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: Period.

980
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: This is not partisan for me, Like I would give

981
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: anything to have sad to say, George Bush, I like,

982
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: give me any regular repat Republican nowadays and I would

983
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: be happy. But right now we have someone who does

984
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: not care, and he is being enabled by the fact

985
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: that there are you know, people that follow him and

986
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: they pump him up as well as the people that

987
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: are surrounding him. And so, you know, my heart breaks

988
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: for service members. People that signed up to protect democracy

989
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 1: and freedom not only here but abroad, and we're willing

990
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: to risk their lives and now literally the very thing

991
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: that they signed up to fight against is now their

992
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: commander in chief. It really breaks my heart and I

993
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: don't know how far he has to go before we

994
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: can come together and just say enough is enough, like

995
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: this should not be partisanship. The final point that I'll

996
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: make is that Tribeca just ended and they did a

997
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: screening of a documentary that I'm in and Scott the Inquisitor,

998
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: and it's about Barbara Jordan, and you know.

999
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

1000
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: It is an amazing, amazing documentary. But to watch her

1001
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: in the age of Nixon, and to see and hear

1002
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: about her thought process about Nixon, and to know that

1003
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: there were members of his party they were like, no, right,

1004
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't partisanship. It was right versus wrong. It's

1005
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: the things that they teach you when you're in elementary school,

1006
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: and somehow we don't have that right now. Behind closed doors,

1007
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: Republicans will say, you know, I remember them telling me

1008
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: how much they hated Elon, but they would not do

1009
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: that out front. They wanted us to take Elon down right,

1010
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: and they will even say things about Trump.

1011
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: They won't do what's right.

1012
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 1: They won't honor their oath, the oath that they swore

1013
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: to the Constitution.

1014
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: Why not.

1015
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: I have no idea other than their cowards bottom line

1016
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: on their cowards, anyone that potentially would do right, They

1017
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: would rather preserve their opportunity to still be associated with

1018
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: the Republican Party and not be ostracized and not be

1019
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: targeted by MAGA and just resign. You know, we've got

1020
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: a new resignation that was just announced here just about

1021
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: two weeks ago.

1022
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: I think he's charing Homeland.

1023
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: He's only been in Congress since eighteen and he's like,

1024
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm out. But instead of just doing what's right because

1025
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: you disagree with what's happening, he's like, I'll leave.

1026
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: We had a number of retirements.

1027
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, like the ones that you see retire on the

1028
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: Republican side are people that probably are like I just

1029
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: can't be a.

1030
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: Part of this, instead of just say why yeah, how

1031
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 3: do you see this whole chapter in American history coming

1032
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: to a close? Are you positive that sanity and adherence

1033
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 3: to the Constitution will prevail or do you worry what's

1034
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: down the road if we continue on this path.

1035
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: There are no absolutes, and we know that democracy and

1036
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: freedom have to be one and fought four and one

1037
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: in every generation. This is our generational fight. I can

1038
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: tell you that I was elated to see the outpouring

1039
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: of people for no kings versus the lack of attendance

1040
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: for you know, the birthday parade. But you know, right

1041
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: now we have a party that is held bent on

1042
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: rigging the system. Right now, the President has called down

1043
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: to my governor and wants him to find a way

1044
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: to do mid He wants to do redistricting right now,

1045
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: and it is so that mid decade, sorry mid decade

1046
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: redistricting so that he can get five additional seats out

1047
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: of Texas. We have thirty eight seats in Texas, only

1048
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: thirteen belong to Democrats.

1049
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: The numbers are already.

1050
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: Completely skewed, and they want to cheat to get five

1051
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: more seats.

1052
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: We know that the.

1053
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: Democrats should have been in control of the House but

1054
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: for the Republican controlled newly Republican controlled Supreme Court in

1055
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: North Carolina deciding to redistrict again once they got control

1056
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: in taking three seats.

1057
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: So they are held bent on power no matter what.

1058
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know that.

1059
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: The American people fully understand that, but I say that

1060
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: the most patriotic thing that anybody can do, regardless of

1061
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: your political affiliation, is to vote for whoever is not

1062
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: the Republican in every single ballot for the next at

1063
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: least three, four or five ballots, to at least restore

1064
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: some sense of calm, to at least make Republicans nervous

1065
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: that the people are not going to stand for this

1066
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: and just blindly vote for the person that has r

1067
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: Because you may want to put all the blame on Trump,

1068
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: but the reality is that he's got a lot of

1069
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: co conspirators and accomplices that have allowed him to do this.

1070
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 3: I can't let you go without asking you about the

1071
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 3: events of this weekend. The same weekend the No Kings protests,

1072
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 3: I guess they're saying thirteen million Americans turned out all

1073
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: over the country, and that very same weekend, State Representative

1074
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 3: Melissa Hortman was murdered in her home along with her

1075
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 3: husband and two others obviously critically wounded. These are really

1076
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 3: scary times for elected officials. Jasmine, and I'm curious how

1077
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: you're feeling about if you're personally nervous, and how the rhetoric,

1078
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 3: the violent rhetoric, can be toned down.

1079
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not nervous. You know, I tell people

1080
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: all the time, God has not given me a spirit

1081
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: of fear. I am of the opinion stay ready so

1082
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: you don't have to get ready. The number of death

1083
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: threats that I get are a little bit higher than average,

1084
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: so we have consistently had to figure out our safety.

1085
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: I think I'm more frustrated than anything. I'm frustrated that,

1086
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, I have colleagues that will engage in certain

1087
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: rhetoric and then come and high five to you and

1088
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: talk to you and you know things, and it's like, dude,

1089
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: like we should be shutting down some of this stuff, right.

1090
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: You know the fact that on that day, Marjorie Taylor

1091
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: Green had the audacity to you know, post a picture

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Speaker 1: of her with this, you know, ridiculously Siah's gun and

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, Like that's just ridiculous, exactly, like

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Speaker 1: all of that, Like this isn't a game, Like you

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Speaker 1: had people that died. And maybe it's funny to you

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Speaker 1: because they're Democrats, but honestly, again, you talk about being

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Speaker 1: a patriot or an American, like you should not be

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Speaker 1: okay with this.

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Speaker 2: You should not be okay with lawlessness. You should not.

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Speaker 1: Be okay with you know, encouraging killers or potentially inciting

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Speaker 1: other killers because they know that you'll give them a

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Speaker 1: pat on the back, like you should not be engaging

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Speaker 1: in that at the same time that you're pretending as

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Speaker 1: if all the crime in our country is caused by immigrants,

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Speaker 1: immigrants that have come over and somehow you're having to

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Speaker 1: go to their jobs to grab them up and round

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Speaker 1: them up and throw them who knows where, But they

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Speaker 1: are the ones that are causing the crime. Like the

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Speaker 1: hypocrisy is astounding, but also the heartlessness, whether it is

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Speaker 1: in their rhetoric or whether it's in their bills, the

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Speaker 1: fact that they go around and they say that they're

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Speaker 1: Christians and there is nothing Christian or loving or compassionate

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Speaker 1: or merciful about anything that they do. And so for me,

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Speaker 1: I just want the American people to wake up. If

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Speaker 1: you really, like I tell people all the time, if

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Speaker 1: you want Jesus go to church. You really shouldn't look

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Speaker 1: for us in your politics. But if you are, don't

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Speaker 1: listen to just somebody saying or proclaiming that they're a Christian.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't care who you are, you should not

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Speaker 1: be okay with you know, Mike Lee posting it. I

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Speaker 1: mean just it's absolutely astounding. And I remember I messaged

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Speaker 1: a Republican that I consider to be a friend. Can't

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Speaker 1: say his name because then he'll lose all of his

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Speaker 1: you know, Republican bouta fides. But I text him, I say, yo,

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Speaker 1: get your people in line, Like we are not protected.

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Speaker 1: You know, the only people that can afford to be

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Speaker 1: protected are people that raise enough money to actually pay

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Speaker 1: for security, because they don't do anything to protect us,

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Speaker 1: like at all. I have been asking for a while

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Speaker 1: put extra money into our MRA, which is a our

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Speaker 1: official account, our budget, so that we can have protection,

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Speaker 1: like they don't give us capital police officers, Like you

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Speaker 1: have to be a high ranking Democrat regardless of your threats,

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Speaker 1: you just have to be like in a certain or

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Speaker 1: Democrat or a Republican to end up getting a team.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: They're the only You have to have a certain amount

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Speaker 3: of money. You're saying, basically you can pay for it.

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Speaker 2: Well no, no, no, no, they supply it. So if you

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Speaker 2: are like the minority leader, so you have to be

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Speaker 2: at a certain level, yes.

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Speaker 1: You have to be at a certain level, or you

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Speaker 1: have to pay for your own out of your campaign funds.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's unfair because it's like I'm

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Speaker 1: just trying to serve people, like and when I go

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Speaker 1: out to campaign, like, I want to make sure that

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Speaker 1: I'm giving people the information about why am my candidacy matters?

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Speaker 1: Not having to look out for my security because my

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Speaker 1: job is a security risk, like you should just like

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Speaker 1: they are protecting the thug that's in the White House,

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Speaker 1: Like we could get one person, you know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 1: just like he could have forty five million dollars to

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Speaker 1: have this stupid parade, forty five million dollars going across

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Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty five members of the House. You

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Speaker 1: could have gave us that money to protect us. It

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Speaker 1: would be I mean literally, that would have been more

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Speaker 1: than enough. There's so many things that could have been

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Speaker 1: more worthwhile. And this is after, you know, Steve Scalise

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Speaker 1: is still serving, but this is after he literally was

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Speaker 1: shot in the congressional baseball game. Like, I mean, how

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Speaker 1: many members have to die or how many.

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Speaker 2: Political figures have to be targeted?

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Speaker 1: We put in more money for the protection detail of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump after those attempts in a bipartisan way, because

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Speaker 1: it was the right thing to do. So I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why we're not making movement, and so

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna continue to beat the drum, but

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Speaker 1: I think I'm probably gonna beat it more publicly now

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Speaker 1: because I have been trying to go through the process

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Speaker 1: of saying, yo, we need more protection.

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Speaker 2: And it's fallen on deafairs.

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Speaker 3: Are you optimistic this whole thing is going to end

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Speaker 3: in a positive way ultimately? Do you think democracy will prevail?

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Speaker 2: That's my hope. All I got is hope right now.

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Speaker 2: I don't have anything beyond that. You're still excited about

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Speaker 2: public service.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about the people that I have an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to serve. I don't know about the mechanics of service itself,

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Speaker 1: but definitely very excited to go home or even just

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Speaker 1: travel the country and know that people are having their

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Speaker 1: faith restored in politicians.

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Speaker 3: Jasmine Crockett, thank you so much. This was so great

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Speaker 3: to be able to get to know you and talk

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Speaker 3: to you about these issues. Of course I have a

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Speaker 3: million more questions, but you've got people to see in

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Speaker 3: places to go, so.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do. Thanks so great, Thank you so much.

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