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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with IR Radio. Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 1: Today obviously big day premiere of the Bachelor, and we

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Speaker 1: have our good friend Nicholas Vial here to break down

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Speaker 1: the episode and to update him on his life. Nick. Hello, No,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have you update us on your life, which

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Speaker 1: is like, just been sparkling lately. You are sparkling, you

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Speaker 1: look sparkling. Why is he sparkling, Ashley when you think

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Speaker 1: because because Natalie and Jeff you said on Instagram this

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Speaker 1: week that basically it's been your best year thus far

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Speaker 1: thanks to Natalie and Jeff. That is your girlfriend of

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Speaker 1: over a year now. Okay, so Nick was always the

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Speaker 1: guy who did not understand Jared and my obsession with Loiz.

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Speaker 1: He didn't understand my sadness when my Lucy passed away,

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Speaker 1: and now he forget He like he is a whole

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Speaker 1: different person. You understand She's not a ter. I would agree, then,

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Speaker 1: have you been that love? No? No, I never had,

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Speaker 1: but I just agree. I gotta uh interceed here because

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Speaker 1: Jessica and I you know, I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: guys saw this on Instagram, but Alice from the Bachelor franchise,

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Speaker 1: you know, rescued a dog on the side of the

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Speaker 1: road on her way from Arizona Denver. Brought the dog

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Speaker 1: to Denver, kind of nursed it back to health, found

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Speaker 1: out that the dog was pregnant with eight puppies and

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Speaker 1: just had eight puppies. And so Jessica and I Jessica

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Speaker 1: is a hundred percent in I'm ninety five, and it's well,

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Speaker 1: the mom is a Blue healer um. But the dad

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Speaker 1: isn't known yet and so we don't really know. But

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Speaker 1: the mom is the sweetest dog. It has a had

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Speaker 1: an incredible story. It was abused, it's one year old,

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Speaker 1: has had two broken legs already when at least found it.

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Speaker 1: And so the dogs just the sweetest and these puppies

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Speaker 1: are just the cutest. So as a potential because Jessica

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Speaker 1: does and we'll listen to this as a potential new

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Speaker 1: dog parent, where are some of the advantages, disadvantages and

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Speaker 1: advice you have me? Are you asking me? Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: asking you. Well, I I was blessed to be given

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Speaker 1: a saint that is Jeff. I mean, and I I'm

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Speaker 1: being serious, Like when I when I got Jeff like I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I have allergies, so like I'm allergic to dogs.

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Speaker 1: So I I've I've grown to always like dogs, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I kept my distance with with most dogs. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I've always wanted to get a dog, And so

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Speaker 1: combination of allergies and then like my lifestyle, and by

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Speaker 1: a lifestyle, I mean like I've been always on the

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Speaker 1: go and busy, and I just didn't have the time

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Speaker 1: to uh properly take care of a dog. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's you never had one growing up. No that's not true.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, you did have them growing up. We played up.

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Speaker 1: We actually a handful, but it's a long story, but yes,

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Speaker 1: we had dogs, um and um. And so when we

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Speaker 1: got Jeff, I was I was a little nervous about

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Speaker 1: you know, how he would be or or or my love,

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Speaker 1: you know, like my attachment to them. And not only

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Speaker 1: did I grow immediately and attached, but he's been a

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Speaker 1: goddamn delight, Like I mean as far as like having

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Speaker 1: about like my love for him. Like other than the

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Speaker 1: occasional a couple of accidents early on, he doesn't drool,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't bite, things. He doesn't ruin things like other

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Speaker 1: than Natalie's underwear, like he's obsessed with like he will

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Speaker 1: eat that if she leaves it lying around, but that's

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Speaker 1: that's on her, like don't leave it on the floor,

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Speaker 1: you know. So like, um, he's really been such a

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Speaker 1: a one her full full. I mean, like we create

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Speaker 1: trained Jeff right away. He now like sleeps with us

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Speaker 1: easy to do it right away. And other than that,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of like helpful information because

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Speaker 1: I think I was just blessed with a really great

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Speaker 1: But I think I just got really lucky. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: is definitely happening. So um well, Nick, transition a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Natalie is Austin in your life. She's been. She is

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Speaker 1: a delight as well. I've been able to meet her

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Speaker 1: and we really enjoy her. Ashley was the first to

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Speaker 1: tell me about her, and she was just telling tell

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Speaker 1: me how great she was. How has that changed your life?

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Speaker 1: I'm less smoody. That's good all he self admits it.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Like seriously, Nick is always in a good mood. Now, well,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say always, but wow, often I think me

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Speaker 1: having now in my life there you realize that I

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Speaker 1: was probably slightly crabvier um uh with her than I

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Speaker 1: and I am without, you know, because it's it's a challenge,

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Speaker 1: you know. Obviously the file follows are in life are

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Speaker 1: asking nick or question dick? I I I often strongly

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Speaker 1: fine for people. I think, but I think over for

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Speaker 1: a little uh crappy, thank you? Um? Okay, So can

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Speaker 1: you describe why she balances you perfectly? Like why you

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Speaker 1: guys are perfect compliments? Because I do believe you are.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything that's sing it's perfect Okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: not perfect? Bad word choice? Um, why you compliment each other?

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of her strengths are some of

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Speaker 1: my weaknesses, and vice versa. She's a very present person.

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Speaker 1: She's a generally very happy person. I'm neither pleasant or

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Speaker 1: generally happy. Um. Oh that's great. Um, And so she

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Speaker 1: really helps uh that with me? I mean you'd have

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Speaker 1: as corny as it sounds, I think we we spend

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Speaker 1: a lot of time together. I mean, you know, our

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Speaker 1: especially when it comes to like food, Like I like

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Speaker 1: my rotation and Nally and I have very similar palettes,

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Speaker 1: being incredibly impressed. I think it started about a year ago.

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Speaker 1: But you do on Sundays um for a long time now,

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Speaker 1: you answer. I mean, it's impressive how many questions you

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Speaker 1: transfer some of that wisdom inter relationship. Uh where did

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Speaker 1: it come from? I mean it came from having friends

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Speaker 1: enjoyed being the friend. You know what I've learned about myself?

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Speaker 1: friendships are truly important to me. I have a lot

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Speaker 1: can be ready in eight weeks to get engaged to you.

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00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: But apparently Clayton knows that she's a great person, and well,

426
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: that's a nice thing to say to someone, and it

427
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: sounds good. It's an insane response to someone who's clear

428
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: like the only correct response to be like, hey, listen,

429
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: thank you for being so vulnerable. I can only imagine

430
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: what that's like. But it sounds like, you know, you're

431
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: you're you're still healing and I really want to find love.

432
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: And this is such an insane response, sane world. And

433
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: the only thing I know so far, having even not

434
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: started this, I'm only I'm five hours away from sorry,

435
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: this is that I think everyone needs to kind of

436
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: be emotionally healed so that, you know, we can put

437
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: our best foot forwards to fall in love and like

438
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: eight or weeks or whatever it is. But Caitlin Clayton,

439
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: excuse me, begs for begs for to stay. It's a

440
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: nuts response. So that absolutely, that absolutely tells me that

441
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: this will be an awesome season. And and and I

442
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: feel bad for Clayton because they're gonna walk circles, run

443
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: circles around Clayton. He is going to make choices based

444
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: off of wanting to say and do the right thing

445
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: and wanting to be the nice guy. And he will

446
00:25:54,760 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: focus on short term niceness and gratification at the detriment

447
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: to his like long term happiness, because that is not

448
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: a response you say to someone if your primary focus

449
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: is to find healthy and happy love that possibly could

450
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: last you the rest of your life. It's gonna be

451
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: like Peter Webber's season, you know, a train wreck for him,

452
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: very entertaining for us, it's gonna be so good. And

453
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: and I feel bad because like obviously like and again

454
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: I I I hope I get a chance to interview

455
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: Clayton despite me it seeming like I've been hard on him,

456
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: and that I've been hard on the choice of Clayton.

457
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: That Clayton the person, and I think he's gonna deserve

458
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: a lot of hugs after this and he's probably a

459
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: good guy and it's probably why. And I think the

460
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: way the producers are going to get us to care

461
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: about Clayton's love story is to get a bunch of

462
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: women to break up with him. He's he's over, he

463
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: was over two before he got to his first row ceremony.

464
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: I got dumped twice. Yeah, that hurts. That wasn't that

465
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: wasn't an accident like that you do that so you

466
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: care because before we didn't care, like why should we

467
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: care about you? And now we're starting to care because

468
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: everyone deserves love and you're like, this guy got dumped

469
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: twice before his first row ceremony. I suspect we're going

470
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: to see a handful of more of of of of

471
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: of Clayton being broken up with, so that by the

472
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: end of the season we're like, can this guy just

473
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: fall in somebody that that's my that's my guess. I

474
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: you know what I don't want though, I get frustrated

475
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: because we went into this for a while with The Bachelor,

476
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: especially was the leads had a really hard time asking

477
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: questions and following up and digging in a little bit

478
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: and sitting in like the messiness of it all, and

479
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: as a result, it is entertaining, but we end up

480
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: not getting to know the cast at all, Like we

481
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: end up at the end of the season being like,

482
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: I have no connection with any of them because there's

483
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: never been a single question asked past hey you're really

484
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: great like or in and a lot of kisses. And

485
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: that's what I don't want to go back to because

486
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: we we've had it with a couple of Bachelor as

487
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: seasons where good questions been asked, We've got to know

488
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: the cast, we've enjoyed the cast, and they go on

489
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: Paradise and we root form there or whatever. I don't

490
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: want us just to fall in this. Hey I was

491
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: supposed to get married today. Oh, but you're a great person.

492
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: Let's kiss that. I don't like that in this show.

493
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: I get really tired of it. Yeah, I mean I

494
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: get what you're saying, Ben, and I agree with your premise,

495
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: but overall, I don't know. I don't think you're thinking

496
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: big picture. I loved Michelle. I loved Michelle. That's a

497
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: bad shrap. Yeah, I love especially like like Katie's season

498
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: was toxic. That's the only way to describe Katie's season.

499
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: Everything about it was toxic. It was also good TV.

500
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: But like by the time Katie's season was over, like

501
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: I was exhausted recapping it was just like land Mine

502
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: after Landmine, triggering episode after triggering episode, and having Michelle

503
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: be the bat shortt was a breath of fresh air.

504
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean, having a lead that we often aren't privileged

505
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: to have someone like Michelle who emotionally very immature, thoughtful,

506
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: clearly had lived some life and experience some ups and downs.

507
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: So that every conversation Michelle had with her men like

508
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: we could learn something from Michelle. You know, she would

509
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: say things and be like, that's such an interesting way

510
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: to look at it, and that was really nice to have.

511
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: But the criticism of Michelle's season was and while I

512
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, a lot of people found it to be

513
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: a little boring by the end, and you know, not

514
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: like a little nuts, So listen. I'm just it's good

515
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: to mix it up, right, I think you know, we

516
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: had a toxic season with Katie. We had a very

517
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: mature but like potentially slightly like too normal, too boring.

518
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: So if we get just hot, sninky mess with Clayton,

519
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: it's fine. This is a TV show, you know we're

520
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: watching after all. If you want like good relationship advice,

521
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: listen to the Vile Files. If you want like if

522
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: you want toxic. If you want to toxic, you know

523
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: what not to do with love and dating, watch The

524
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: Bachelor sometimes, nick Um. The ratings are obviously have been

525
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: steadily going down with each season. It hasn't been since

526
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: mine and ben seasons was pretty high, right, Hannah's was

527
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: really high relatively speaking, but they haven't gone up since.

528
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: Been into myself. Lets you guys, I got the medal

529
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: behind me representing that golden era. Um do you? And

530
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: I say this because like, Jared and I are having

531
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: a watch party down at Audrey's today. By the way,

532
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: I can't wait to check it up. Well, we can't

533
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: wait for you to come. You know, I've got to

534
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: deliver the baby and then we can have all our

535
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: friends come. Um. So I'm getting a lot of responses

536
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: based on like us having a watch party that people

537
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: are like, oh, I don't watch anymore because Chris Harrison

538
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: is not the host. How much do you think that

539
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: that is affecting the ratings? None at all, but great?

540
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: I mean, can I want to ask you a question

541
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: and then I want to ask you guys about Jesse Palmer,

542
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: Um the ratings for I think it's accommodation of things.

543
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: The ratings. I think it's disingenuous to compare like the

544
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: ratings from mine and Ben season to the ratings of today.

545
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: Like people are digesting media differently, they're watching stuff on

546
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: their phone, they're streaming it differently. So when you compare

547
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: like the Nielsen ratings from like six years ago two now,

548
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: it's like it's apples and oranges. So as much as

549
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: like Ben and I might like jokingly brag about it,

550
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: it's completely disingenuous. Um, it's still winning Monday Night, still

551
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: very popular. Uh, audiences have always come and go, you know,

552
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: your legacy fans like that have been with us every

553
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: season and by awesome invat nation like those are always

554
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: been few and far between. So you might be asking

555
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: people that you're used to asking who might not still

556
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: watch it, But there's plenty of new fans, you know

557
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So I think it's all relative, Like

558
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, that being said, I think there's probably like

559
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's gonna always be a little bit of

560
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: like fatigue certainly with like you know, I need to

561
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: take a season off because like I don't know, maybe

562
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: so that maybe they took Michelle's season off because like

563
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't used to watching The Bachelor or Bach Sharrette

564
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: in the fall because I watched you know whatever, and

565
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: so they didn't watch it. I honestly think the franchise

566
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: is doing just fine. I think it's it's you just

567
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: have to figure out how you're comparing it. Um, of

568
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: course you're gonna always gonna have the I'm not watching

569
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: because of Chris Harrison. Yeah, I'm sure there a people

570
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: like that. More more people will say that and still

571
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: watch it. I think if you're that big of a

572
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: fan of The Bachelor franchise, that you were triggered. And

573
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: I love, you know, as a person, Chris, I love him,

574
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, good guy. You know he made a mistake,

575
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: But like, who is like from the Chris I know,

576
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: I think he's a good guy, right and so um,

577
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: but to but to be that offended that he like

578
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: is not what the show? That you can't watch it?

579
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: I think you're such a fan that would say that

580
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: rather than not watch it. You know what I'm saying,

581
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: Like it's something to say, but I don't think you

582
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: actually followed through. Um, what do you guys think of

583
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: Jesse Palmer? Because I think when you watch it and

584
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: for me, I I want to know it because like

585
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: I watched it, it's hard for me not to be biased, right,

586
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: I think for people like me, you, Ben Wells, Caitlin, Tasha,

587
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: you know who I have hosted it and then you

588
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: think of the Bachelor, like we look at them, think

589
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: you wonder if could I do that? Right? Could we

590
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: do that? You know? Uh? You know and when they

591
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: were like when they were looking for a new host,

592
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, you throw your hat in the ring, so

593
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: to speak, they hired Jesse Palmer. Okay, he's the former

594
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: Bachelor and then he comes out and it was just like,

595
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm biased, So I have an opinion, but

596
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's fair because you know, I'm

597
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: sure Ben, you watched it the same way as me,

598
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: of like how would I what else could I have done?

599
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: Could I have done that? You know, sometimes you see

600
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: someone doing something you go that was really good, you know,

601
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: like when Caitlin hosted a far she did like the moment,

602
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: I don't know because it's live, right, like hosting a

603
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: tell all whatever, like you can screw up thirty times.

604
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: I like to believe I could do what Caitlin did

605
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: an a far do. I believe I can do it, sure,

606
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I haven't done it yet, and

607
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: you know, like and she crushed it, right, so I

608
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: could watch that objectively go damn, Like Caitlin, she did

609
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: a great job. It was live, there's no there's no

610
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: margin for error, and she crushed it. Um, I didn't

611
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: watch you know, So what do you think then, unless

612
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: what do you think I want? You're honest opinion? Well,

613
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: I think you make I mean great points, and I

614
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: do want to reiterate like Caitlin crushed it and and

615
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: I I am the same as you where I watch

616
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: it and I go, could I have done this? Can

617
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: I do this? And I honestly sat and watched Caitlin

618
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: and I said, I I don't know, like I, I

619
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: she did great, and that might be where I would

620
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: have fallen short. But maybe I wouldn't have I maybe

621
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: could have done it well. I thought a few things

622
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: sood out to me. One Jesse was barely shown. I know,

623
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: he makes his big announcement. I know, he comes out

624
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: and says, Hi, I'm your new host, and i was

625
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: a bachelor long ago and I've never been to this

626
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: mansion and all that stuff the way I'm married now, Yeah,

627
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: I'm married, so just to be clear, like this is not,

628
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: you know, my dating contest. And then we didn't really

629
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: see him. And in past seasons, like Chris, especially during

630
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: the first episode, he would disappear kind of as a

631
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: season went on, he would really dig in to the

632
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: conversations with the bachelor, he would really set up the

633
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: season for us. And I felt like, you know, this

634
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: was I don't even know if we need a host

635
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: during this episode. I don't know if any point a

636
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: host was necessary. Uh. You know, Jesse is talented, he's

637
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: a professional, and I think they I mean I would

638
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: have to think at this point they chose him, if

639
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: this is the role he's gonna play with the limit

640
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: amount of airtime, he has because they think he's a

641
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: good face of the franchise. But that's it. But but

642
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: it's not. But it's not that. I mean you and

643
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: I don't if you're only going to be shown for

644
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: a few minutes and you're gonna read off a teleprompter

645
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: and you're gonna talk to Clayton and say, hey, are

646
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: you excited? Are you ready? Can we do this? Here's

647
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: the girls? A lot of people can do that job.

648
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: And so I don't even know if I could fairly

649
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: judge him as a host because it's just like a

650
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: lot of people can do that what he did last night. No,

651
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: I I completely agree. It's to me, it's just like

652
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: what they aired is. I mean, I I guessed as

653
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: much when I was like, what what role is Jesse

654
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: Palmer going to play? And I kind of jokingly said,

655
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: he's going to be there to remind he's gonna he's

656
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: Jesse Palmer is gonna like for the people who can't count,

657
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: remind him how many roses are left? Like that's gonna

658
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: be his job. And that seems like you're right, I

659
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: think like that's and maybe he will grow into it.

660
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: It's disingenuous. So he's like you're not alone. I'll be

661
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: there for you. And I hope I'm wrong, but I

662
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: don't think there's gonna be a moment where like Jesse

663
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: Palmer is really like sitting down with him and offering

664
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: like some insight and and like how to like process

665
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: these emotions. I think they actively got away from the

666
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: mental role that was Caitlyn and Tasha. Like again, I

667
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: thought Tasha and Clayton both did a great job. I

668
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: thought it was clunky to have to you know, we

669
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: didn't get to see Tasha a f R. But I

670
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: think part of the reason why Caitlyn shine too because

671
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: it was just her, you know. There definitely was like

672
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: this like let's make sure everyone has a word that

673
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: was that was clunky. So but it would have been

674
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: nice to see like Caitlyn put her own spin on it,

675
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: or Wells put his own spin, or myself or you Ben.

676
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: And it seemed like to me, just like you said,

677
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: it was just like just go to your best version

678
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: of Chris Harrison and go sit down. It was like

679
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I mean all that being said,

680
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: I don't think you know, Caitlin Tasha, I don't think

681
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: it like do you know it's not why we watched.

682
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: It's not you know, if they if they casted any

683
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: of us to host The Bachelor, it's not why they're watching.

684
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They're watching for Clayton and

685
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: the love story. So let's remember that, Like, it's not

686
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: about the host. Um. But I think you know, of

687
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: course we're going to critique it when you have Chris

688
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: Harrison be the host for so long and then your

689
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: choice to replace him is as someone who was the Bachelor,

690
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: but someone who really hasn't been a recent bachelor, and

691
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: it looked like they hire a football commentator to host

692
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: The Bachelor. They looked so similar next to each other too. Um,

693
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: I think he just went like he did fine. I

694
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: was like, it just seemed like, yeah, well, I mean

695
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: you just made I think the one comment that I

696
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: was interested in watching for as somebody that you know,

697
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: obviously I would have loved too. I actually wanted the

698
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: Senior Citizen Show. I thought, I I just think that

699
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: would be the most fun job ever. But oh my god,

700
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: that too. I think it's unclear. I mean, they've been,

701
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: they've been what seems to be from me, it seems

702
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: clear that they are not not committal, But I think

703
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: they have every intention of just making Jesse the permanent

704
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: host for all things Bachelor, like I think, but I

705
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: I think they are waiting because they don't need to like,

706
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: they don't need to commit to that now. So let's

707
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: just have them host Clayton. See like, what's up hid

708
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: them do the Barren minimum and you know, go from

709
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: there but my and and back to my point and

710
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: we can close this thought here is you said it.

711
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 1: Jesse Palmer did his best Chris Harrison impression, and that's

712
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: not like, that's fine. It works if if we believe

713
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: the only way to host this show is how Chris

714
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: Harrison hosted it, how he evolved as a host, how

715
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: the show evolved around him, if the things he said

716
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: were just spot on, perfect and iconic and everlasting, and

717
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: if he should stand out on the wet pavement and

718
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: welcome the Bachelor in and then say here's your ladies

719
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: and show up again with the last and final rows.

720
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: If that is the best way to do this, then

721
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: Jesse did a great job. But I thought, hey, you

722
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: you're changing up the show a bit. You have a

723
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: new no matter if you like it or not, you

724
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: have a new opportunity to change up how this show functions.

725
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: And I really thought I was watching Chris Harrison last night,

726
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: or like some guy trying to play him, And that's

727
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: just weird to me. Yeah, that's why it was weird

728
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: because that's exactly what it looked like. It looked awkward

729
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: because it wasn't like, hey, this is a new person

730
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: within slightly new vibe. They're not the focal point of

731
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: the show. They're not the main character. They are the host,

732
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: let's remember that. But it was like Chris Harrison got

733
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: kidnapped and they're like they found like this most suitable

734
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: replacement and threw him in there. So I don't know, Listen,

735
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: it's not gonna affect the show whatsoever. Um, it is

736
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: what it is. We're just a bunch of people they

737
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: didn't pick who are probably assaulted and talking. Um. But

738
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: I know, But but I don't even like, I want

739
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,959
Speaker 1: to be clear, I like Jesse. He's a professional host,

740
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: like he's of course, there's no like awkward watching him

741
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: at all. It's an absolute he's an absolute pro. You know,

742
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: he's he's a very polished, seasoned host. And I think,

743
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: to your point, Ben, this is a show about relationships

744
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: and we're two now relationships are coming more involved, and

745
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: we're having conversations about like what gas letting is and

746
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: love bombing, etcetera, etcetera, and accountability and emotional intelligence. And

747
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: it would be nice to have a host at either

748
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: mentors or helps facilitate or drive those conversations. And it

749
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they have any intention of having their hosts.

750
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: I'll let Jesse Palmer do that. Well said, Hey, can

751
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: we pause here for one second, take a break, and

752
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: we'll come back with the batchel Rika. Alright, So let's

753
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: just start with the women, because you know, we see

754
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: the standard blah blah blah. I'm going home. I'm gonna

755
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: show my mom that I'm the bachelor, and then I'm

756
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: gonna like talk about how I all I want in

757
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: life is to get married and have kids and all that,

758
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: and then we we we get it to the girls.

759
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: Who stands out to you amongst the girls? For me,

760
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: even before Teddy got the first impression Rose, she was

761
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: one that caught my eye. So was the girl from

762
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: like that was the former Miss Virginia USA? Who else?

763
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean Teddy? I know you mentioned Teddy and I

764
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: know you said who else, But like, if the producers

765
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: are doing their job, and we know they're good at

766
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: doing their job, is there anyway she doesn't go to

767
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: the fantasy suite. Oh no, she's absolutely doing the fantasy suite.

768
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: This is what I have a theory on. I'm actually

769
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: very very interested in what you guys think. So once

770
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: she talks about her virginity and the fact that she's like,

771
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: you know, this is a decision that I made, but

772
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm not like super stuck to it. I won like

773
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: totally related and I and then she said something about

774
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: going into the fantasy and being totally cool with going

775
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: into it. Um my thought, now, is that that teaser

776
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: that we see about him having to reveal that he's

777
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: intimate with like all the women that he goes into

778
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: the fantasy with. It's just now it all makes sense

779
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: as to why he would have to for some reason

780
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: announce this. I mean, I mean, uh, Teddy has got

781
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: to be the winner or the next pascherette. I don't

782
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: see any other scenario. They're all both good, amazing stories,

783
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: like very like the virgin goes in a version who's

784
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: willing to have sex? Oh my god, what a dread

785
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: you had? The chance, but whatever, you and kristin vibe

786
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: and let me ask you this, actually someone who like

787
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: was was a virgin because not because of religion, but

788
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: because you wanted to have a special moment if you

789
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: and Chris Soul's vibe. And I know that's kind of

790
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: a weird question because you're pregnant with Jared's kid at etcetera.

791
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: But like, mentally, were you prepared to lose your virginity

792
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: in the fantasy suite if you were falling in love,

793
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: I would have done stuff. I don't think I would

794
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: have gone all the way when I knew that there

795
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 1: were two other women involved, All right, fair enough. Yeah, Well,

796
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: the fact that Teddy seems to be uh and you know,

797
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: we don't know that for sure, but seems to be

798
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, like like Teddy, she's cool though she's

799
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: like waste so longer than I was. Yeah, she's she

800
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: seems very self confident, which is great and easy to

801
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: talk to. Awesome. But yes, having a a self proclaimed

802
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: for virgin lose the virginity on the Bachelor and having

803
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: the Bachelor and be like, yeah, yesterday, I also had

804
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: sex with Janice or whatever. Um, Like, oh my god,

805
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: that's amazing and if he doesn't pick her, uh, what

806
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: an amazing story if your next batch shorette, Like I

807
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: lost my virginity on this show only to have my

808
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: heart broken, It's awesome. It's like you that is such

809
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like you don't even need a good bachelor

810
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: with a storyline like that. And I don't know if

811
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: Clayton is gonna be a good bachelor. I mean it

812
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: depends on. Like I think Peter Webber was a good

813
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: bachelor for the reasons we just talked about. Because Peter

814
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: gave us great TV. You know, he got he got it,

815
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: he got this, destroyed that. Poor dude was just not

816
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: ready for the Clayton looks like he might get the

817
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: story too down there. Yeah, but you know what good

818
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: you know what's good for Peter, and I hope the

819
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: same for Clayton is Peter doesn't give a you know,

820
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: like he is and I give that like Peter's like,

821
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm good looking enough, I'm six to I fly planes,

822
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm good man like I I've like Peter knows how

823
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: to appreciate the small things and he doesn't sweat other

824
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: small things, or maybe he he appreciates the big things

825
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: in life. And I don't. But Peter is just fine.

826
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: Uh And I hope to same for Clayton, because you're right,

827
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: he he is going to be He's gonna be put

828
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: through it many well. I mean, the one thing they

829
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: have in common is they both love their moms. So

830
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: we'll see how much of a storyline it becomes of

831
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: Clayton's mom. I you know, I'm I'm with you both.

832
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: Where Teddy really stood out to me. I hope that

833
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: Teddy walks out of this and the story isn't of

834
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: her getting really hurt by Clayton. I hope she's the

835
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: next bachelorette and the story is twisted and turned a

836
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: little bit um because it's just actually, you could answer

837
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: this to me. It just seems like it would be

838
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: so emotionally difficult for a virgin to also have that

839
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: be the topic of conversation amongst everybody for months that

840
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: you're maybe the bachelorette, for months after the show, for

841
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: months during the show. I don't know how a huming

842
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: who's not you to this world can walk out of

843
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: that unscathed emotionally. I mean, I don't know. I'll say

844
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: I'll be super honest here. I think if it's not

845
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: for religious reasons, and she really did have feelings going

846
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: into it. Given the bachelor ate role is pretty good

847
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: compensation fair enough, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, listen,

848
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: we're all a little screwed up after going on this

849
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: shop like it is what it is. And also Teddy

850
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: in her intro package was like, hey, producers, by the way,

851
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm about to give you a gift. I'm ready to

852
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: have some sex, you know, Like she was offering this

853
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: up like I don't. Teddy knows why she's there. She

854
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: seems like an intelligent woman. Um, there's a lot of

855
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: people out there that save it for a long time,

856
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: then they end up regretting it and ta get over it.

857
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: And I think that she's gonna be fine. I think

858
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: Teddy's well aware of the opportunity in front of her

859
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: and she if listen, she's a genius. Most of us

860
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 1: lose our virginity on some I'm like, you know, we're

861
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: backseat of a car. Or for me, it was like

862
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: out in the woods on a hill, falling the skido.

863
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: But it's it's awkward, it's weird, and Tenny's about to

864
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: leverage the first time she's had sex on National television

865
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: and and most likely leverage into like some sort of career.

866
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, she clearly knows what she's doing, you know

867
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like it was such a like very

868
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: staged thing on her intro package. She's no dummy. I

869
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: bet she watches this show and I have no problem

870
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: with whatsoever we're about. So like, watch what I'm assuming.

871
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: It's very entertaining, and yeah, they're gonna use it against

872
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: her for sure on some level, but they will award

873
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: her in spades going forward. So like she's gonna be

874
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: just fine. She'll be a name. Remember I want I

875
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: want to bring up a name here because we saw

876
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of her. I think she's gonna become

877
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: the villain of the season. That's my guest right now.

878
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: Her name is Nay. I think was was her name?

879
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: Uh Nay. Even in her intro package, had was hinting

880
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: at the fact that, you know, we seed every sea

881
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: and nobody's gonna stop me. I'm gonna go after this thing.

882
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna compete, I'm gonna win. And we we see

883
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: even a little since when she walks into the House

884
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: of the Girls, already a little upset with her because

885
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: of her entrance. What was her entrance? She drove over

886
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: somebody's Yeah, they were being that was so silly for

887
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: them to be, like, a how offensive that she rolled

888
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: over the toy. Yeah, so this brings me my question.

889
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: You know, we see the drama already starting to get

890
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: hinted at. It's great. We know this season is gonna

891
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: be full of drama because this episode ends with one

892
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: of the girls going, this is the most beautiful supportive

893
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: group I've ever been around. And you're like, just wait,

894
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: like this is gonna twist and turn fast. Who do

895
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: you believe is going to kind of come up from

896
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: the ashes and really cause the drama this season? Do

897
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: you get a hint? Uh? It's hard to say. I

898
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean based off the super cheese and

899
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: the little entrances, but I always kind of reserved a

900
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: right to, you know, let things play out. They usually

901
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: tend to surprise us, you know, they don't want to

902
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: of everything away episode one. I think it's easier to

903
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: figure out who your final four is in the first

904
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: two episode than is the villain. Um. My guess is, like, listen,

905
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: if it's an entertaining season, they'll have multiple villains, you know,

906
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: I think they're kind of past the day where they

907
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: have this like you know, the Olivia from your season

908
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: and again not not a reason a villain life where

909
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: they like they really beat up on one person and

910
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: call them your call them their villain. Um, I think

911
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna have. I think it's just gonna be a

912
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: bunch of women being caddie and fighting, and you'll have

913
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: a handful of villains. Um. You know. Like remember like

914
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: on Peters season is a perfect example, like we all

915
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: thought Hannah Ann was going to be the villain silly,

916
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: you know, and and for like three episodes and then

917
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: like in life, she's the sweetest and she was the

918
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: last thing from a villain. She ended up winning, you know.

919
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: Um you know Chelsea, you know again like not a villain,

920
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: but just dramatic, you know. So what I think it's

921
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: gonna be more out just dramatic moments and women fighting

922
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: more than like you know, like Olivia from your season

923
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: villain type of thing. Yeah, that seems to be the

924
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: pattern over the past couple of seasons that it's kind

925
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: of like a weekly villain versus yea, which a continuous villain.

926
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: I like a lot more because you have more compelling

927
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: characters and it shows like, you know, we everyone everyone

928
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: goes on the show can be a villain in a

929
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: hero Tyler Cameron could have been an amazing villain, you

930
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, um, it just does. It's

931
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: as we're all humans, are complicated humans with layers that

932
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: we go on a show and they choose to oversimplify us.

933
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: Ben Higgins could have been a villain. It was had

934
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: harder with Ben. It's possible, you know, you know, uh yeah,

935
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: it's just um. So I like this weekly version where

936
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: they can show you know, people, it's essentially people having

937
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: good days and bad days, and that's more interesting to

938
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: watch for me. Now if you had I didn't answer

939
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: the question because I thought watching this that like, if

940
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: we were going to have an ongoing villain, it was

941
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: going to be Sally. So let's talk Sally for a second.

942
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: Sally is the previously engaged girl who we touched on

943
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: earlier in the episode, Like, so you do think she'll

944
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: be back? So last week, if you guys listened, you

945
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: think you think she'll be back for Paradise. I think

946
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: she's come back this season. That's finish, Okay, okay, So

947
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: last week I said on the podcast, Um, I believe

948
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: that this girl was engaged so recently as of the summer,

949
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: Like I think she had a bachelorette party over the summer,

950
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: and she keeps talking about, you know, being there on

951
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: the set now during the day of her wedding, I

952
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: and she said like I have been previously engaged, or

953
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: like she was very egg about the timeline, right. Um.

954
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: I also know that the girls didn't know that Clayton

955
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: was the Bachelor until like pretty much like everything was

956
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: signed and they were like flying out. So I feel like,

957
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: what if she really did dump her fiance for going

958
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: on to the Bachelor, but then realized it was Clayton

959
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: and was like, Okay, maybe this isn't a reason, Maybe

960
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: this isn't good enough for me to leave this guy

961
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: at home. I'm also just like throwing things out there.

962
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: My sister, she's this guy. This girl, Sally is from Virginia.

963
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: My sister is a hairdresser. She hears all the gossip.

964
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: She knows one of her clients is no Sally, and

965
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: apparently Sally is now back together with her fiancee, So

966
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: so what's up? Did it seems like she may have

967
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: just showed up, got cold feet about doing the Bachelor thing,

968
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: realized that this isn't better than just being with the

969
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: guy that she was with. Well, yeah, you bring up

970
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Let's unpack it. Um I didn't

971
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: know that stuff, right, you know. Uh, on face value,

972
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: I think the show did her like they did her

973
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: a solid because if you're her fiancee, you can lie

974
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: to yourself after watching this, because you know, she's like

975
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: she needed, like she needed to meet Clayton, and even

976
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: though she called him hot, she was like, you know,

977
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: I know, I'm good. Like, you know, if Tyler Cameron

978
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: was the Bachelor, I wonder if she would still being

979
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: getting you know, gotten back. I don't know. Um uh

980
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, so like why did you need to meet him?

981
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: You know, she literally said I wanted to meet him?

982
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: And despite her being like you're so hot, she was like, yeah, no,

983
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm good. She was like I'm showing up to say goodbye,

984
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: Like why are you saying goodbye to somebody that you've

985
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: never met? Just leave? Yeah? Well that was the producer

986
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: is being like you should beat it before you quit,

987
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: um is my guess. And and and of course it

988
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: was such an amazing It was like the best scene

989
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: of this episode, and it told us everything you know

990
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: about the season. Um, yeah, that's all true. It's certainly

991
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: the timeline adds up to her. I mean speaking like

992
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: big picture, like if this was like someone calling it

993
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: an ethnic episode. She did not break up with him

994
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: to go in the Bachelor. She broke up with him

995
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: because deep down she knows that this isn't her guy,

996
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: and The Bachelor was an amazing opportunity and and what

997
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: a great rebound to not getting married. And I guess

998
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: I I actually applaud Sally for regardless of whether she

999
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: was in the Clayton or not, because like, I mean,

1000
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: let's be real here, like, um, I like I loved

1001
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: who who's the girl? Who's the second girl who broke

1002
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: up with Clayton? Oh my god, she was amazing. That

1003
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 1: was amazing. It is the best. That was my favorite

1004
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: part of the episode. She was hilariously real. And every

1005
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: episode of The Bachelor, Oh Ben, he's amazing. Oh Nick,

1006
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: you're amazing. The thirty women and not show up in

1007
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: my season, I'll think I was amazing, you know what

1008
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying like that, and like like there's like at

1009
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: least one girls, like you know, what not, my guy,

1010
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm good, you know. And and so I actually give

1011
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: Sally credit for you know, whether she's in the clan

1012
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: or not. She could have been like I'm gonna get

1013
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: followers or whatever or just be on TV. And you know,

1014
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like she you know, if if, if,

1015
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: what you're saying is true. I know, and I was,

1016
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: I want to reiterate it could be hearsay. Um, you know,

1017
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: you do open yourself up to this when you sign

1018
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: up for the show. Another question that I have is

1019
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: if you were going to get married in September, when

1020
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: did you sign up for the show or she kind

1021
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: of been scouted last second? I mean, uh Ben Ben

1022
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: m Ben from the other Ben the guy was like

1023
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: casting a week before filming or something like that. Um,

1024
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: so it's possible. Um, but listen big like life life advice,

1025
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: Like I don't these two should not be dating anymore. Yeah,

1026
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: let's move on. You know, I'm not trying to blant

1027
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: point fingers or who's right or who's wrong. But you

1028
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: broke up for a reason, and good for you for realizing.

1029
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: I just don't like, how do you sell that I

1030
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: went on the Bachelor? It made me realize I needed

1031
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: to marry you, like I don't know, I don't to here.

1032
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I'm saying. Either she broke up with

1033
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: him to go on the Bachelor, and that's just shallow

1034
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: and she only to realize like Clayton TV followers, whatever,

1035
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go back to the guy that I

1036
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: initially broke up with. She supposedly an orthopedic surgeon. Whatever,

1037
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, it has nothing to do with that.

1038
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying like, or she broke up with

1039
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: them because their relationship, you know, because they you know,

1040
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: they they weren't compatible, you know what I'm saying, Like

1041
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: deep down she was like orthopedic surgeon or not not

1042
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: my guy, and the Bachelor was the catalyst, you know.

1043
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: The Bachelor was like, you know, my first relationship. I

1044
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: broke up with her finally after seven years of off

1045
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: and on because I met someone else and I needed

1046
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: I needed that push, so to speak. And we've all

1047
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: been there. So I hope it's the latter and not

1048
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: the former, because that would be of her. That would

1049
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: be you know, to break up with someone to go

1050
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: on a TV show, break up with your engagement or

1051
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: can't slow wedding. So I think it's a really bad

1052
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,479
Speaker 1: look if they're back together. Uh, but what I saw

1053
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: on TV, I actually felt for her and I thought

1054
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: that was a genuine moment. Uh, the ears the truth

1055
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: that we probably won't hear much about it from here

1056
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: on out. I don't think that. I mean, unless she

1057
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: shows back up. I think this is it's coming gone.

1058
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: But it was a really interesting scene. And Nick, I

1059
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: like that, you say, you know, it told us everything

1060
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: we need to know about this season and how Clayton

1061
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: was gonna handle situations. I I watched Sally, I was, um,

1062
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, a little very judgmental before this episode, knowing

1063
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: she was on it, being like, I know the backstory

1064
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: a little bit. I've read the articles. This is ridiculous.

1065
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: How in the world is this gonna play out? What

1066
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: is she doing? And after watching her, I said, Okay,

1067
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: I get it. Like, maybe not the best decisions she's

1068
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: ever made. She might not be thrilled that she's on

1069
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: national television doing this, but I get it. And it

1070
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: relationship moved on the Bachelor's awaiting and so and then

1071
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: she decided she needs to leave that she can't even

1072
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: do it. I get it. Totally good. Um. I want

1073
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: to bring up before we let Nick go here once,

1074
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: somebody did stand as to me that I think is

1075
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: going to be a front runner this season, and I've

1076
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: actually put her up with the Teddy camp on possibly

1077
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: the next Bachelor at Uh. I don't think she got

1078
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: enough air time, but I do believe we'll see more

1079
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: of her. It's Susie from Virginia Beach. That. Yeah, I

1080
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: think she stood out. I thought she handled herself well

1081
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: and it felt like we saw just enough of her

1082
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: to know that we need to start paying attention to

1083
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: her as the season goes on. Well, she seems like

1084
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: Kylin to me. I mean, first off, she is Miss Virginia.

1085
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: Klin was from Virginia, was miss Um North Carolina, USA.

1086
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: Just similar vibes. Um also a little Hannah Brown like

1087
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the two of them were to

1088
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: meet each other. Uh yeah, I definitely see her getting far.

1089
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: Oh we'll see Nick anything. Uh yeah, I could see her.

1090
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: She she only has a bachelrette. Look for sure. She

1091
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: seems like she's gonna be around for a while. Um yeah,

1092
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: because it kind of has like a eventually unproblematic vibe

1093
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: to her. I'm also I think I think Rachel. I

1094
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: think we'll see more of I think she will be involved. Um,

1095
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: I can see her being Top four h Sarah based

1096
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: off the Supertees, which is risky to based on anything

1097
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: off the Supertees seems like she Clayton says, I'm in

1098
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: love with her? Who are to her? I think there's

1099
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: a lot of editing in the Supertees? Was there at

1100
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: the end, because I remember we we talked about like

1101
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: does the bachelors spoil their own ending? You know, that

1102
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: was one of our headlines a couple of weeks ago.

1103
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: Now that I'm watching these, I think that there is

1104
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: so much editing with that, like final of course, I mean,

1105
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: they make it seem like Teddy's on the Final three.

1106
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: And again I know exactly the producers all deserve to

1107
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: be fired if she's not. And again, the only way

1108
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: she is not in is if she leaves on her own.

1109
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: And if she lives in her own, she lives in

1110
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: her own. There's nothing you can do about it. Okay, Well,

1111
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: leaving on your own. Let's wrap up the like our

1112
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: our recap with leaving on your own. Claire left on

1113
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: her own. He liked to do a little twist there

1114
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: and said I sent her home, but she was not

1115
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: interested at all, and I'm pretty sure she would have

1116
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: not accepted his rose. I love Claire. Yeah, I wish

1117
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: she was around a little bit longer, Like if they

1118
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: if they could have just found out a way to

1119
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: keep this from Clayton, and we get to see this

1120
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: for two weeks that she does stick around for whatever

1121
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: reason because she just wants to have a good time

1122
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: and she just totally disrupts the everything. It would have

1123
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: been amazing television. But she was good television for one

1124
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: episode and she was honest, and you saw it in

1125
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 1: that date, Like I mean Nick and Ashley, you both

1126
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: get this moment that they had right you are it's

1127
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: night one or it's two weeks in through because there's

1128
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people to tell you you're talking to somebody,

1129
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: and somebody else comes up after spending let's say, ten

1130
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: minutes with that other person, which is a long time

1131
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: on night one to spend with one one person, and

1132
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: somebody comes up and says, hey, can I interrupt you

1133
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: for a second, And you, as the bachelor or you

1134
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: as a contestant, you want to say yeah, like you

1135
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: can because I know how this works like there's a rhythm,

1136
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: there's a flow. We gotta keep going here. And then

1137
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: you always have that one person that's like disappointed, mad

1138
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: at you for leaving, thinking it's personal. That's what happened

1139
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: in that moment. I felt for Clayton. But Clayton just

1140
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: need to put it. I mean Clayton just kind of

1141
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: like walked away. What he needed to do is be like, hey,

1142
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who talk to you. I've

1143
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: enjoyed this day with you. If he did, this has

1144
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: been fun for me. But I gotta keep talk going.

1145
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: And he moves on and said he's kind of walks away,

1146
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: leaving her sitting there eating a chicken wing. No wonder.

1147
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: She's a little pissed, like, no wonder, She's like, there's

1148
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: no connection here. He just totally dropped me. He wasn't

1149
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: into her, she wasn't into him. And just a little

1150
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: side note. Jill, who is from Rhode Island and who

1151
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: have met a couple of times now, she worded it

1152
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 1: to me when talking about the first episode without even

1153
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: seeing it, that Claire left on her own. Yeah, I mean,

1154
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, Ben, I think you're being a little

1155
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: hard uh on on Clayton in terms of you remember,

1156
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: like Night one is an absolute insane mass um. There's

1157
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of conversations in the moment

1158
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: where I wish, I like I would have said this

1159
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,959
Speaker 1: or would have said that, because I wanted to make sure,

1160
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like, I think it's great

1161
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: that she did that. I think I think to judge

1162
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: Clayton about how perfect response when you have thirty different

1163
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: people grabbing at you is kind of insane expectation. So

1164
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: to say that Clayton should have done something different, I

1165
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: think would be unfair to Clayton. But at the end

1166
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: of the day, she's like, let's think of that. She

1167
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: wasn't vibing them, you know, it was not my guy.

1168
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: You know, She's just like she's not into him, and

1169
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: instead of like sticking around and hoping to like be

1170
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: on TV, she just opted to leave. So I applaud

1171
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: her for that. But I think it would be unfair

1172
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: to criticize that anything Caitlin Clayton did in that moment,

1173
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, given how insane Night one is and that

1174
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: one's insane, But I do I guess the way to

1175
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: look at that is they were into each other if

1176
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: he was really into her, he would have made sure

1177
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: she knew that before he left. Like that that sure,

1178
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: but except can you imagine could you imagine? I don't

1179
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: know, I I probably would fall a lowether or not that

1180
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it out loud, but uh, what's what

1181
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: was her? What was her name? Serene? Was it Serene? Yeah? Serene? Uh,

1182
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: maybe a potential villain by the way, but also like

1183
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: stunning and uh, I'm really curious about learning more about her.

1184
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: But like she goes up to Clayton and she's like

1185
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: the night one tattle Tale. She's like, oh, by the way,

1186
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: this girl's like saying somethings and I'm like, I'm not

1187
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: sure you want to hear. And he's like like what

1188
01:05:52,480 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: And she's like that she hates you, that you're too nice,

1189
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: that only these bad boys. Well, um, final girls to

1190
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: go home. During this episode, uh, where Havanna, Jane and Haley.

1191
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: Haley was a surprise to me more than any of

1192
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: those others. I thought she was gonna be around a

1193
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: little bit longer. I actually think on our previous episode

1194
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: that we broke down the cast, I thought she'd be

1195
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: around a lot longer. But those three go home and uh,

1196
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 1: and you know what we missed on this episode. Maybe

1197
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: it's not a thing anymore. We missed the final exits

1198
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: outside when the sun is up and they're so tired

1199
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: and they're so angry, and they're just just want to

1200
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: go home and eat. We don't have that anymore, and

1201
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: those are some of my favorite parts. But we didn't

1202
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: get to see. You know what that means, Ben, I

1203
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: already have too much goodness. There we go. We'll throw

1204
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: that in. You throw that in only when you don't

1205
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: have enough. I will say. When it comes to first episodes,

1206
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: I was. I was intrigued. Ben and I are constantly

1207
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: after the first episode being like, oh, it's always the same,

1208
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: it's so formula. There were nice little pops throughout this

1209
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: episode between the Sally thing and the Claire thing that

1210
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: really kept me engaged. Yeah, I can't agree. I would

1211
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I didn't. For the first time in years,

1212
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: in years, I enjoyed Night one. I am excited to

1213
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: watch this season. I'm excited to watch it for many reasons.

1214
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: I do think, Uh, Clayton is probably a really nice guy,

1215
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be really hard for him.

1216
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,919
Speaker 1: But I do think he's a nice guy. I think

1217
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: that he was chosen because he's a nice guy. And

1218
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: after talking to you guys during this episode, I get

1219
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: why he was chosen because we need some mess It's

1220
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, Michelle was incredible, but she kept things under control,

1221
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: she kept people operating, and she kept things going forward,

1222
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: and at times maybe it did it a little boring

1223
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: because she was so great at it that everybody knew

1224
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: their role, they knew where they stood, and the drama

1225
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: was limited. So this season it's gonna get messy. I

1226
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: have to say one thing. I saw this meme a

1227
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: couple of days ago that was, like, um, Michelle and

1228
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: Nate got two hundred thousand dollars for their down payment

1229
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: just because they followed the rules. Nick, any thoughts, Yeah,

1230
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: I think I actually mentioned that on the recap today too,

1231
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: because actually we didn't talk about in the finale. I

1232
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: think they Yeah, I don't think it's a coincidence. I

1233
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be the new norm. I honestly,

1234
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: to get it has everything to do with the fact that,

1235
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: like Michelle, uh is the first lead in a long

1236
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: time where they truly believe that she like the being

1237
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: the bat Trat wasn't like a new path for her.

1238
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: It was a small detour in her life. And she

1239
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: has every intention of sticking it out in Minnesota and

1240
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: staying in education and and not going on Dancing with

1241
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: the Stars or not being an influencer. And I'm not sure.

1242
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I hope she does take advantage of the

1243
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: platform and make a little coin on the side, But

1244
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: I think it has everything to do with you know,

1245
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 1: because that's the dream. Like in a perfect world, Mike Flies,

1246
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:03,480
Speaker 1: every lead would just like stay in their hometown and

1247
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: and and fall in love and that person would move

1248
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: their hometown and buy a house and have babies and

1249
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: and like that hasn't happened in a long time. And

1250
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, in the grand scheme of things, I don't

1251
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: think two d dollars is a big deal to them,

1252
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's gonna be the new norm.

1253
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: But I think it has everything to do with Michelle

1254
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: and the choices she's made and throughout her filming and

1255
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: more importantly, the choices she's made from filming on that

1256
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 1: they they are rewarding her for not necessarily following all

1257
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: the rules, but for being the kind of bat sharette

1258
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: post filming that they've always wanted to have incredibly interesting theory,

1259
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: especially since they put it towards the home in Minnesota. Yeah,

1260
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: I bet there's a lot of stipulations about how it

1261
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: has to it can be spent and things like that, right,

1262
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: and not towards a home in l a correct Good

1263
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: for them though. Well, Nick, thanks for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: You're always a delight, always a pleasure. Wishing the best.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your wisdom and your insight. Hope talk to

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Speaker 1: you again soon. Uh and please go check out Nick

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Speaker 1: on his podcast. Also go check out Nick on Instagram

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Speaker 1: all the time, but especially on Sundays when you ask

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Speaker 1: questions with Nick. Nick, thanks a lot, man, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having guys. Always a delight, fine Nick, so much fun. Alrightyebye,

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Speaker 1: Well it's time for bachelor headlines. Yes, this week has

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Speaker 1: some headlines, and the first one it's just a little

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Speaker 1: interesting that get started. It's about Clayton, the Bachelor. Clayton

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Speaker 1: promises viewers will learn why he told multiple women he

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Speaker 1: loves them. This according to Variety, Yes, so, of course,

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Speaker 1: this is something we've been talking about multiple times over

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Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks, since we've seen the super

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Speaker 1: tease and um, he says that you'll be hearing about

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Speaker 1: this in interviews with Jesse Palmer. Um, he says, just

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Speaker 1: give me a shot, wait and see, and I promise

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Speaker 1: you'll have answers that you're looking for. I was able

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Speaker 1: to speak with some Bachelor alumni on my journey, and

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Speaker 1: they gave me great advice. I'm pretty sure he's referring

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Speaker 1: to Jesse, but we'll see. Maybe there's more. Um he said,

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Speaker 1: they gave me great advice because these people have been

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Speaker 1: through it before. I'm really excited for everyone to see

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Speaker 1: who those individuals were because their advice really helped shape

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Speaker 1: the way that I did. Um approach some scenarios. Um okay,

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Speaker 1: So basically he talked to people who said I love

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Speaker 1: you to multiple people in the past. Perhaps Michelle seemed

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Speaker 1: to embrace the fact that she did that and Um

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Speaker 1: doesn't regret it. Maybe to have been Michelle, could have

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01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 1: could have been you Ben, were you on this season?

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Speaker 1: It didn't tell us say I'm I'm always around, I

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Speaker 1: like to sneak around. I'm I'm there for it. Well,

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Speaker 1: next timeline is this? This one's interesting to me. Ashley

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Speaker 1: speaking to Michelle the Bachelor's Michelle Young and Nate reunite

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Speaker 1: with her ex Joe Coleman. This according to E Joe Coleman, Joe, Oh, Joe. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So Joe was of course third place guy, and they

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Speaker 1: are from the same town, you know, the same city.

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Speaker 1: And she said that, Um, she's run into Joe since

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Speaker 1: the bachelor at has ended, which is interesting because she's

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Speaker 1: supposedly it never you know, ratten into him previously because

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Speaker 1: of the basketball community. But in this quote from E,

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Speaker 1: she she is now running to into him because of

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Speaker 1: the basketball community. She goes Joe and I, uh didn't

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Speaker 1: leave on any bad terms. He's a wonderful person. Um Uh.

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Speaker 1: He has a good head on his shoulders and and

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Speaker 1: for that he wished me and Nate well. Nate and

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Speaker 1: Joe talk. Joe is a good friend. You make friends

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Speaker 1: on the show. It's interesting. Um, it's an interesting environment

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Speaker 1: with ex boyfriends. But Rodney is also a good friend.

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Speaker 1: Joe is a good friend. Um, They're coming to visit

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Speaker 1: in the near future. It's all love. I will say this.

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Speaker 1: The picture was like a little bit like you know,

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Speaker 1: it got headlines. I think it speaks to the strength

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Speaker 1: of Nate and Michelle's relationship more than anything. Oh good,

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Speaker 1: good point. Yeah. I think if you can hang out

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Speaker 1: with your ex, or if you can hang out with

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Speaker 1: somebody from the show so quickly after the show airing

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Speaker 1: and everybody's good. I just think it shows that, hey,

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Speaker 1: Joe's are his places at and it's not with Michelle,

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Speaker 1: and Nate knows here his places at and that's with Michelle,

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Speaker 1: and Michelle knows where her place with Nate is. It

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Speaker 1: just shows the strength of their relationship, which is something

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Speaker 1: really incredible that is really good because not many leads

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Speaker 1: would be so comfortable hanging out with their second runner

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Speaker 1: up this soon after. And I said that it was

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Speaker 1: because the basketball community brought them together. I actually think

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Speaker 1: that was unrelated. She did say that we come from

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Speaker 1: the same basketball community, but that's not why they've they've

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Speaker 1: seen each other since. And I also think, yes, it

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Speaker 1: speaks to the lead, but I also think it speaks

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Speaker 1: to Nate because just coming from experience, Yeah, he's pretty

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Speaker 1: secure and where they're at, And not a lot of

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Speaker 1: contestants that were chosen would want to hang out with

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Speaker 1: a top three person so quickly after the show. Um,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, big on them well, here's one

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Speaker 1: that I want to start by reading this headline by saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, we love this person dearly and in something

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Speaker 1: you know, in July of this year, I had a

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Speaker 1: similar season of life that was difficult and uh, kind

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Speaker 1: of confusing, and you don't always know where it comes from,

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Speaker 1: and you work through it, and hopefully there is working

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Speaker 1: through it. But I want to say that from both

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Speaker 1: actually myself and almost from his family were really um

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Speaker 1: thinking about Demi. Demi wrote on her social media and

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Speaker 1: this is the headline. Demi Burnett is having an emotional

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Speaker 1: breakdown every few hours, says her ego is livid. This

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Speaker 1: according to US Weekly, and and before actually kind of

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01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 1: explains what's going on, I do want to say, um,

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Speaker 1: we're rooting for you, Tommy. It sucks and it's hard,

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Speaker 1: and there's not any platitudes I want to throw out

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Speaker 1: here that will make this better or feel better. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing that anybody can really say. I'm thinking, we're we're

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Speaker 1: thinking about you because this is really difficult. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: really sad, and you know, we totally I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say that I can relate, but like

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Speaker 1: I feel her, you know what I mean? So she says,

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Speaker 1: I'm um, this is gonna be the hardest thing to

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Speaker 1: ever post, and I'm so embarrassed, but I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be real happy New Year. This is me. I'm not

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Speaker 1: doing anything to envy. I'm not happy, I'm not social.

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Speaker 1: I'm constantly thinking and crying and trying to figure everything out.

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Speaker 1: Countless hours of blaming myself for everything that's caused pain.

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Speaker 1: I haven't had a sip of alcohol in five months.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to a psychiatrist on Monday. I'm having an

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Speaker 1: emotional breakdown every few hours. I'm feeling it pretty sty

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Speaker 1: and overwhelmed most of the time, but I know that

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Speaker 1: I am growing. Even if it hurts, it is worth it.

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Speaker 1: So sad, it is sad. My heart goes out to her.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it is sad, but it's also very human

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Speaker 1: and it's I appreciate her being so open and real

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Speaker 1: about it. Yea many. I mean when I was going

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Speaker 1: through in July, I've never felt so much support. But

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Speaker 1: I've also never um felt so numb to the support

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Speaker 1: than when you're in that season. You know no better

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Speaker 1: what somebody says, no matter how many message you get.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that ever held was when somebody would

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Speaker 1: look across table from me and say I'm in it too,

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Speaker 1: or I've been there or me too. Just to know

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Speaker 1: that you're not alone in it is it felt like

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Speaker 1: the most helpful thing. And so I just want to

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01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: say to anybody, if you get a chance, reach out

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Speaker 1: to Demi and let her know if you felt something similar,

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Speaker 1: if you've been through a season of this, that she's

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Speaker 1: not alone, because she she will get through this. She's

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Speaker 1: a strong girl. But uh, Ashley, great episode, great first episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch next week. I'm actually excited to

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Speaker 1: watch The Bachelor, which doesn't always happen for me. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm pumped up and uh and we'll see where it

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Speaker 1: goes from here. But we'll be breaking down Clayton's second

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Speaker 1: episode of his season of the Bachelor next week right

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Speaker 1: here on Almost Famous Podcast. Until then, I've been Been,

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Speaker 1: I've Been Ashley. Hi. Follow the Benn and Ashley I

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast on I Heart Radio or subscribe wherever

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