WEBVTT - Talking About It Is Better Than Ignoring It: Steven Camarota Talks To A&G

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<v Speaker 1>The fact is when you violate your oath, when you

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<v Speaker 1>do not take care to see that the laws are

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<v Speaker 1>faithfully executed, when in fact you have American citizens who

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<v Speaker 1>are getting harmed, you have people dying from fentnel poisonings,

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<v Speaker 1>you have wide open borders that are empowering cartels and

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<v Speaker 1>empowering China. That is a blatant disregard of his duty.

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<v Speaker 1>And importantly, he did in fact lie to me under oath.

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<v Speaker 1>When I presented him with the statute that says that

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<v Speaker 1>you were supposed to maintain operational control of the border,

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<v Speaker 1>he said one thing to me in a Judiciary committee,

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<v Speaker 1>went to another committee, and went over to the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>and said totally different things. And that actually matters, because

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<v Speaker 1>he was trying to tell the American people that they

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<v Speaker 1>were in fact having operational control of the border, and

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't, and he was using the language to try

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<v Speaker 1>to skirt around it.

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<v Speaker 2>I pressed him on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Green did a great job at Homeland Security demonstrating that,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, he did lie to.

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<v Speaker 2>Us under oath.

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<v Speaker 3>That is Chip Roy of Texas one of about a

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<v Speaker 3>half dozen congress people who I am confident actually believe

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<v Speaker 3>anything and then say what they believe talking about Alejandro

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<v Speaker 3>Mayorcis is just utterly indescribably incompetent and dishonest execution of

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<v Speaker 3>his duty, well non execution of his duties as Secretary

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<v Speaker 3>of Homeland Security. The crisis at the border is undeniable.

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<v Speaker 3>Even the lefty media are talking about it. But do

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<v Speaker 3>we fully reckon with how serious a problem this is.

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<v Speaker 3>To do that, we're going to turn to Stephen Camerado,

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<v Speaker 3>director of research at Center for Immigration Studies, really the

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<v Speaker 3>leading organization dealing with the reality of immigration in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Steven, welcome, How are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, good, thanks for having me back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's our pleasure. It's always good to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>It's got to be at least somewhat encouraging that there

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<v Speaker 3>is practically nobody who can ignore this problem anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>that a lot of the coverage has looked at it

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<v Speaker 4>in a systematic way or explain to the public what

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<v Speaker 4>caused it. But still you're right, talking about it is

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<v Speaker 4>better than ignoring it, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny. Even as that question was coming out

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<v Speaker 3>of my mouth, it dawned on me. Well, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody can ignore it because it's become so horrible. So that's, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the silver lining in the cloud. But let's get

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<v Speaker 3>a little more specific, because I think everybody's seen the

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<v Speaker 3>galling video of thousands of people, millions, just pouring across

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<v Speaker 3>the border and the lawlessness there, and I think lawlessness

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<v Speaker 3>offends people on its face, just because we understand instinctively,

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<v Speaker 3>if there's lawlessness, we are not safe and our stuff

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<v Speaker 3>is not safe.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's get more specific than that.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you at the Center for Immigration Studies have

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<v Speaker 3>actually looked at the cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us what you've learned.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so there are a lot of issues if you

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<v Speaker 4>just want to know the fiscal impact, putting aside the

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<v Speaker 4>crime or the fentanyl that may come in as a

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<v Speaker 4>consequence or anything like, just what we know about the

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<v Speaker 4>fiscal impact. It's pretty straightforward because the impact of an immigrant,

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<v Speaker 4>legal or illegal, is largely determined by their income and

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<v Speaker 4>then the resulting tax payments and as well as their

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<v Speaker 4>use of public services. And the single best predictor is

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<v Speaker 4>educational attainment. So someone who comes the United States with

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<v Speaker 4>a graduate degree generally doesn't use a lot of services

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<v Speaker 4>generally makes hy inkman pays a lot of taxes, and

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<v Speaker 4>on the other end, someone without a high school education

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<v Speaker 4>tends to be an enormous fiscal drain. It's not because

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<v Speaker 4>they're evil, it's not because they're all free loaders. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not because they all came to get welfare. It's because

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<v Speaker 4>of that. And that's actually true of the US born

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<v Speaker 4>with that skill with that skill profile, and illegal immigrants

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<v Speaker 4>are overwhelmingly on the bottom end of the skill distribution.

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<v Speaker 4>Seventy percent or so have no education beyond high school

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<v Speaker 4>or less than twelve years of schooling if you like

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<v Speaker 4>that on average as well. And so we find that

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<v Speaker 4>they're creating an enormous fiscal drain. So, you know, we

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<v Speaker 4>as to make the fifty nine percent of illegal immigrant

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<v Speaker 4>households use at least one major welfare program. The cost

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<v Speaker 4>of that is somewhere around forty two billion dollars annually.

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<v Speaker 4>If you just look at the illegal immigrants and their

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<v Speaker 4>US born children, the cost of the public education system

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<v Speaker 4>at a minimum, it's about sixty eight billion. Again in

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<v Speaker 4>next time, because they're all chiefs, not because they're all uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, here just to get welfare. In fact, illegal

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<v Speaker 4>immigrants have high rates of work. We estimate ninety four

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<v Speaker 4>percent of all illegal immigrant households have at least one workers.

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<v Speaker 4>So I know what your listeners are thinking. Oh wait,

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<v Speaker 4>how did you just say fifty nine percent use the

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<v Speaker 4>welfare system. Yes, welfare and work go together all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>The whole system is designed like that. So if I

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<v Speaker 4>could give you a quick example, you had a family

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<v Speaker 4>making forty thousand dollars a year, a family of four,

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<v Speaker 4>and the children are US born, but the parents are

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<v Speaker 4>illegal immigrants, there's practically no program they couldn't get. They

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<v Speaker 4>could live in public housing, get food stamps, get the

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<v Speaker 4>free school lunches, get the WICK program. They could get

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<v Speaker 4>the E T C and the ACE and and the

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<v Speaker 4>additional Chile text which are cash payments. The bottom line

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<v Speaker 4>is our welfare system is designed to help low income

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<v Speaker 4>workers with children, and that describes illegal immigrants. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>the kind of message I don't know that people want

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<v Speaker 4>to hear, because on the one hand, you point out

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<v Speaker 4>that still legal immigrants work, but and it's not because

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<v Speaker 4>they're not paying any taxes. They're paying billions in Texas.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just nowhere near enough to cover the consumption of

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<v Speaker 4>their public services, and the reason is educational attainment.

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<v Speaker 3>You made a reference to schools briefly, and I'm glad

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<v Speaker 3>you did. We got an email today it was really

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<v Speaker 3>troubling from a listener who had to remove her daughter

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<v Speaker 3>from school in northern California because the influx of immigrant

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<v Speaker 3>kids has been so heavy and we God bless us

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<v Speaker 3>as a people say, look, if you're breathing air in

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<v Speaker 3>this country, we'll educate you. And the huge influx of

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<v Speaker 3>non English fluent students has brought the school to a

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<v Speaker 3>halt in terms of instruction, and there is now, all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, a violence problem, a gang problem, including

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<v Speaker 3>girl gangs, which is specifically the problem in this family.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you guys taken a look at the impact on education.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you have at some level.

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<v Speaker 4>Right the statistic I gave you about sixty eight billion

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<v Speaker 4>dollars in costs to educate the children of illegal immigrants

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<v Speaker 4>assume is an extrud aly conservative estiment. There are about

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<v Speaker 4>four million children of illegal immigrants and public schools now,

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<v Speaker 4>and that is before the current influx. That number is

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<v Speaker 4>likely closer to five million now, and that estimate assumes

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<v Speaker 4>no extra costs associate with kids who are behind in

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<v Speaker 4>grade level or are at language minority. You know, you

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<v Speaker 4>could easily estimate over seventy billion dollars a year in

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<v Speaker 4>cost to educate the children of illegal immigrants. And there

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<v Speaker 4>is no possibility that illegallimigrants pay anywhere near that much.

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<v Speaker 4>And that just even though they work, and even though

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<v Speaker 4>we think the majority of illegal immigrants are actually paid

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<v Speaker 4>on the books. I could explain that to your listeners,

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<v Speaker 4>which I think might be surprising, but just one fact,

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<v Speaker 4>we've gut out about two point five million Social Security

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<v Speaker 4>numbers and green cards. That's work authorization to illegal immigrants. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>you can be an illegal immigrant but be legally allowed

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<v Speaker 4>to work. The way that happens is you're someone who

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<v Speaker 4>has DOCTA, You're someone who has what's called temporary protective

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<v Speaker 4>that is, you're someone who has some kind of deferred action.

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<v Speaker 4>You are an asylum applicant with the pending case. And

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<v Speaker 4>so we have lots of illegal imitrants with work authorization.

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<v Speaker 4>I know. Again, and if you want to know why

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<v Speaker 4>we have so many illegal immigrants, that's a perfect example.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like the fifty nine percent of illegal immigrants use welfare.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we offer all these programs, partly directly to

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<v Speaker 4>illegals or partly when they have US born children. So,

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<v Speaker 4>if you want to understand why we have so much

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<v Speaker 4>illegal immigration, it's a non enforcement and there are a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of things that we do offer illegal immigrants, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's why so many people come. Look, so many people

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<v Speaker 4>are showing up at the border because we've created the

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<v Speaker 4>incentive too. And it isn't just these goodies that I've

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned or benefits. It's just that when you show up

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<v Speaker 4>at the border, we mostly are releasing people. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we've released at least two point seven or maybe three

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<v Speaker 4>million people who've been what's called an encounter. They either

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<v Speaker 4>presented themselves at a port of entry and claimed asylum

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<v Speaker 4>or some other status, or they were caught trying to

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<v Speaker 4>slip in and we still released them to asylum, or

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<v Speaker 4>we gave them parole. And that's why so many people

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<v Speaker 4>are coming. That's why the asylum system is overwhelmed, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's why so many people keep coming. They know most

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<v Speaker 4>of the time they're going to get released.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a quick comment, because I don't want to let

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<v Speaker 3>this go. It is impossible to quantify the loss in education,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least it's impossible right now, the loss in

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<v Speaker 3>education to the kids who are already in schools, be

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<v Speaker 3>they American kids or lawful immigrants or whatever, and in

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<v Speaker 3>the wake of the brutal COVID learning loss in the

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<v Speaker 3>shutdown of the schools. To have this then happen, it's

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<v Speaker 3>got to be driving parents to despair. But we can

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<v Speaker 3>talk about more of that on another day. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>the asylum seekers and they are coming in by the many,

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds of thousands. What percentage of those folks end up

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<v Speaker 3>actually being eligible for asylum?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well, I mean it's going to be I mean

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<v Speaker 4>some ask have been suggested, could be as high as

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<v Speaker 4>you know, fifteen percent, with eighty five percent will get

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<v Speaker 4>denied under this administration, maybe that could happen, but you

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<v Speaker 4>know it's usually somewhere around five or ten percent.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe So if I'm in that night that eighty

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<v Speaker 3>five to ninety five percent that they said, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not a refugee. You're just here for a better gig,

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<v Speaker 3>and we can respect that, but no, you're not a refugee.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens to me then? How many people are actually

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<v Speaker 2>getting deported? None?

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<v Speaker 4>So I mean that's basically we're not we don't once

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<v Speaker 4>you've had your day in court and the judge says, no,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't make you go home. But remember when asylum

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<v Speaker 4>system was blown up by the administration, starting when you

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<v Speaker 4>took office, and you know, we went from like one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred thousand or two hundred thousand cases to over a million.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's going to take a decade. So what happens

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<v Speaker 4>is you get a date or you may not even

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<v Speaker 4>get you here at least in the United States, and

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<v Speaker 4>they say they'll contact you or you get a date,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's many years in the future. And that's why

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<v Speaker 4>again so many people show up. They don't they can

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<v Speaker 4>get asylum. They just know that they'll they'll be released

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<v Speaker 4>into the United States. But when we do, we have

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<v Speaker 4>what's called the so called deep state deportation exsconders. That

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<v Speaker 4>number runs like seven eight hundred thousand. These are people

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<v Speaker 4>who've had their day in court, but we don't follow up,

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<v Speaker 4>so they've been ordered removed. That's the you know, they

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<v Speaker 4>have a final order of removal, the technical term what

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<v Speaker 4>most of us would call it importation. But we don't

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<v Speaker 4>follow up. We don't go out and look for them.

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<v Speaker 4>So even the system itself, when we say no. The

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<v Speaker 4>answer is kind of yeah, you can stay as we

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<v Speaker 4>don't really make you leave.

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen Camarata, Center for Immigration Studies Online. Stephen, We've got

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<v Speaker 3>about two minutes. But I was speculating. Yesterday talking about

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<v Speaker 3>The New York Times had a really revealing column by

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<v Speaker 3>David Leonhardt, who occasionally brushes up against honesty, and he

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<v Speaker 3>essentially admitted, without stating it in as many words, that

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the Democratic Party's policies right now are

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<v Speaker 3>simply because they're not Trumps. They're the opposite of Trump's.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine anything more unpatriotic and just weak willed

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<v Speaker 3>then to utterly chuck all of your principles just for

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<v Speaker 3>that reason. It's bizarre. Is there something else at work here?

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a strategy?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I would think of it this way. Wait,

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<v Speaker 4>so all conservatives think, Look, the reason they take the

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<v Speaker 4>reason they're allowing this immigration is they're trying to elect

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<v Speaker 4>the new people. You know, they're trying to swamp the

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<v Speaker 4>country with potential Democratic voters. And I guess there probably

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<v Speaker 4>are people who think that, but I don't think that

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<v Speaker 4>it's an accurate description of what mostly is happening. What's

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<v Speaker 4>happening to the Democratic Party is when it comes to immigration,

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<v Speaker 4>they think of immigrants or showing up at the border

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<v Speaker 4>in particular, desperate people, and that's it. They never think

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<v Speaker 4>them as rational risk takers who are responding to the

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<v Speaker 4>incentives that they're creating. So when I testified yesterday before

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<v Speaker 4>one of the sub committees in the House, people would say, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the whole world is facing on mygasion crisis.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not that they couldn't make the next that if

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<v Speaker 4>you release most of the people you stop at the border,

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to get a massive flood of people at

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<v Speaker 4>the border. They just couldn't get their minds around that.

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<v Speaker 4>They think of the immigrants, not again, as responding the

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<v Speaker 4>incentives we're creating. And I think that's what's really happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen Camarada, Center for Immigration Studies, Steve, and it's always stimulating, informative.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's stay in touch.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm happy to do it again. Armstrong and Getty