Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on.
Speaker 2: These are our stories done Dune. Welcome to another episode
Speaker 2: of That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: My name is Lisa Traeger and.
Speaker 1: My name is Kara Klank, and we're so excited to
Speaker 1: bring you a podcast where we talk about Law and
Speaker 1: Order SVU episodes, the true crime they're based on, and
Speaker 1: we interview an actor from the show. Today's a good one.
Speaker 1: But before we get into it, we like to chat.
Speaker 1: We like to catch up Lisa, what's happening.
Speaker 2: I did tease some big news. I guess I'd have
Speaker 2: to let everyone know that. Like Kara, during helping me
Speaker 2: move from LA to New York, realized that I didn't
Speaker 2: have a trash can and it horrified her to her bones,
Speaker 2: chilling for her. Sh It just hit her like it
Speaker 2: was like the end of the movie Memento where it
Speaker 2: all made sense. I need you to know I got
Speaker 2: a tall silver trash can with a pedal.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, simple human.
Speaker 2: No, it's some one of the big brands. Maybe Glad
Speaker 2: like I think it might be like a Glad one
Speaker 2: or something. But I did spend an extra twenty five
Speaker 2: dollars to get it all silver.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: I did want the silver one. But I love having
Speaker 2: a trash can with a pedal. It's like it is
Speaker 2: fun to throw things in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just make it a little game.
Speaker 1: You know, all these water bottles with one sip left,
Speaker 1: they don't need to sit here, they can go right
Speaker 1: in that beautiful trash can.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I do the recycling in another loose bag obviously,
Speaker 2: but that's okay.
Speaker 3: You know that's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's pedal throw it in pedal. Well,
Speaker 2: in New York, I don't actually believe it, but here
Speaker 2: people are really separating the recycling and trash.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I got a ticket one time in New York for
Speaker 1: not having my recycling in a clear bag.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's really frustrating because I have a lot of
Speaker 2: white bags.
Speaker 3: But whatever.
Speaker 1: But also it's like I've watched you guys just throw
Speaker 1: the recycling in with the trash. So I don't know
Speaker 1: why I'm getting a ticket for like sixty five dollars
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: But whatever. Well, because the world is corrupt, because it's yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, Wait can we talk about the willy Wonka experience
Speaker 1: in Scotland?
Speaker 3: Have you heard about this?
Speaker 1: Have not at all? And I'm really on the internet,
Speaker 1: so okay, wait, hold on sending you a link. In
Speaker 1: Scotland there was some kind of Willy Wonka experience but
Speaker 1: they let AI like do the entire thing like and
Speaker 1: so the words are crazy. Everything it says willy Wonka
Speaker 1: Immersive Event leaves kids in tears. Quote it looks like
Speaker 1: a meth lab. Like there are videos all over Twitter
Speaker 1: about it. Kids are terrified, Like the poster for it
Speaker 1: has like all this gibber jabber on it that doesn't
Speaker 1: even make sense. It's truly I feel like I keep
Speaker 1: getting nervous about how AI is gonna take over, and
Speaker 1: then I'm like, I don't know, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: that good. Like look at this shit.
Speaker 2: I'm on the New York Times right now and it
Speaker 2: is all the headlines are really funny and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so the subheading is families traveled to Glasgow. I've been
Speaker 2: there for an event that whatever. They got a couple
Speaker 2: of jelly beans, a few jelly beans in a world
Speaker 2: of disappointment, Like what people called the cops.
Speaker 1: Like when you look at the side by side, it's
Speaker 1: like it looks like this gorgeous ai other world with
Speaker 1: like beautiful lollipops, like, and then you go in and
Speaker 1: it's just a fucking shitty party city rainbow that you're
Speaker 1: walking underneath.
Speaker 3: I just can't get enough of it. It's too funny.
Speaker 3: But also it looks janky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just don't know how it's janky and terrified. No,
Speaker 2: it's terrible, Like are the kids crying because it's so bad.
Speaker 2: I'm just not seeing what the kids are seeing.
Speaker 1: Like, wait, look at the tway I just sent you. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the reason why some kids are crying. It's
Speaker 1: just like a freaky man that looks like a member
Speaker 1: of Kiss coming out from behind a mirror, jerking his
Speaker 1: body like the girl from the Ring. I mean, it's like,
Speaker 1: why did you think this was on par with like
Speaker 1: oopa loopahs, Like it's just really funny.
Speaker 2: It's just the news story that we need in these
Speaker 2: trying times.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we need a little pick me up. And
Speaker 1: it is the Willy Wonka Experience.
Speaker 2: Oh I thought Ai designed it, but Ai created the
Speaker 2: poster and that it was.
Speaker 3: About the ads.
Speaker 1: So people think they're coming into this like magical Lisa
Speaker 1: Frank fucking amazing, colorful world, and it's this warehouse with
Speaker 1: like ten decorations in This is so bad. Oh, if
Speaker 1: you haven't heard the story, please google and enjoy yourself.
Speaker 3: It's really bad. Okay, But I was confused.
Speaker 2: I thought AI was like setting it up, like there
Speaker 2: were AI event planners or something. But now I understand
Speaker 2: that it was like the posters made it look so
Speaker 2: cool all the marketing. Either way, it's hysterical how bad
Speaker 2: it is. But yeah, the immersive photo of the AI
Speaker 2: looks good At first.
Speaker 1: When Jared was telling me the story, he goes, it's
Speaker 1: in Vegas, and then I looked it up. I go,
Speaker 1: it's in Glasgow, Vegas. You cannot get away with that shit.
Speaker 1: I feel like Vegas. I don't think you can get
Speaker 1: away with like poor production quality in Vegas people.
Speaker 3: The word spreads too fast. But this isn't poor production quality.
Speaker 2: This looks like a sketch from the office, like in
Speaker 2: a warehouse. Like yeah, if you guys want to know,
Speaker 2: we're looking at a big conference center looking thing glass
Speaker 2: windows and then there's just a glitterally nice arch rainbow
Speaker 2: with clouds, and then there's desks, screens, loose doors, pipes,
Speaker 2: a hanging poster, its post pipes, post pipes and one
Speaker 2: and gum drop and caution tape on the crowd in
Speaker 2: between the clouds.
Speaker 3: It's really something else. I don't know.
Speaker 2: God bless the Scottish. That's fun. That's fun. Shout out
Speaker 2: to uh Glasgow. It really tickled us there. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: feels good to laugh.
Speaker 3: Listen. Did I see friendly but WIT's at a party
Speaker 3: I was at. I did.
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to say, Guys, I don't
Speaker 2: know what else to say.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah Bury the lead.
Speaker 2: Uh. I was invited as a plus one with a
Speaker 2: friend to the I don't know the name. It's like
Speaker 2: the American History Museum of Natural History. Who knows the
Speaker 2: Museum of Natural History? Yeah, because the real one is
Speaker 2: Smith's like in DC. Kept popping at whatever. I don't care.
Speaker 2: It's a museum I'm not interested in. Yeah, I'd rather
Speaker 2: be at a zoo, an aquarium or an art museum.
Speaker 3: But it was impressive. I did like the stuff. It
Speaker 3: was well.
Speaker 1: I remember taking a kid. I baby sat there and
Speaker 1: I liked the squid in the whale and I like.
Speaker 1: There was a butterfly exhibit that we liked. Was cool
Speaker 1: that you could go in and just butterflies everywhere.
Speaker 2: Well, we entered through the back for the events, so
Speaker 2: we weren't really like running around, but we obviously, like
Speaker 2: you know, we saw some ancient stuff and some displays
Speaker 2: of animals whatever. But it was a Kate Winslet show.
Speaker 2: I did get a peak of her. I did have
Speaker 2: a little puff thing with a caviar. But a lot
Speaker 2: of podcast guests, so I did see Josh Pisce, but
Speaker 2: he was talking to fig from Oranges, the New Black
Speaker 2: Sid didn't approach him, and then I lost him.
Speaker 3: I should have just went in there. I should have
Speaker 3: went Josh.
Speaker 2: He did my podcast for the love of God, scoop
Speaker 2: a memory of me out of your brain. But I
Speaker 2: didn't do it. But there was an oxygen bar. I
Speaker 2: saw a bunch of character actors.
Speaker 3: Wait, what happens at the oxygen bar?
Speaker 1: You just put a little mask on, breathe some oxygen,
Speaker 1: and you feel all like better.
Speaker 2: I don't know about better, but yeah, they give you
Speaker 2: temporary like your own disposable nose holes, like if you
Speaker 2: were in a hospital. So that's kind of nose plugs.
Speaker 2: Oh but he did not holes, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the thing that goes right under yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Like that feels weird. And then there's like five options
Speaker 2: of like bubbling oxygen.
Speaker 3: Who knows one is.
Speaker 2: They're named after the characters, so it's like Yelena eucalyptus,
Speaker 2: And there was a chill one and so I breathed
Speaker 2: a little of the stress, depression, anxiety, you know, But.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, feel any immediate effects.
Speaker 3: No, no, we just did it for the Graham. You know.
Speaker 2: I wasn't I didn't have high expectations. I was out
Speaker 2: there chasing for a lamb chop. That's what I was
Speaker 2: doing at this event. And I was trying to find
Speaker 2: a character actor and make eye contact and that's all
Speaker 2: I was doing, and chasing friendly But what's around till
Speaker 2: she was walked out.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I was so obsessed with Mayor of Easttown
Speaker 1: that I'm excited to see what this is.
Speaker 2: It is weird, but she is. I'm gonna keep watching.
Speaker 2: Like the first episode ended that they screened and I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm watching.
Speaker 3: I need more. I'd like more. Yeah, Oh, we were in.
Speaker 2: The bathroom withstusis men obviously, and she's also on Watch
Speaker 2: What Happens Live, you know, like last week, so I'm
Speaker 2: wondering what she's promoting.
Speaker 3: I'm interested.
Speaker 1: How do we feel about this lawsuit that Leah McSweeney
Speaker 1: is bringing against Bravo.
Speaker 3: It's also about Andy.
Speaker 2: If these dumb bitches get in the way of my
Speaker 2: Bravo viewing and watch What Happens Live, I mean, I
Speaker 2: are ready to like Leah, you're a below bottom level housewife.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just like you all want to suck a little
Speaker 2: Andy's dick. You all want to be his number one girl.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was out doing coke and partying with
Speaker 2: all of you as you kiss his ass for screen time.
Speaker 3: And now it's an issue.
Speaker 2: And I know we do a podcast where we do
Speaker 2: listen to women and we do take claim seriously, but
Speaker 2: I'm not right now, and I don't know what to
Speaker 2: tell you. I'm bothered. I'm bothered.
Speaker 3: I'm annoyed.
Speaker 2: You didn't do a good job. You're out of there, like,
Speaker 2: leave us alone.
Speaker 1: She's mad, Yeah, she's big mad. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Who else is suing? Someone else is suing? There's like
Speaker 2: two lawsuits happening.
Speaker 1: Well, there's the Caroline Manzoe, but that's specific about like
Speaker 1: Brandy Brandy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brandy and Leah.
Speaker 2: Why don't we give them a crappy lake but send
Speaker 2: them to Antarctica and see if they survive. That's what
Speaker 2: I think. Let's see if they can make it on
Speaker 2: that boat.
Speaker 1: Brandy and Leah in crappy person lake and they get
Speaker 1: to go down to Antarctica.
Speaker 3: That's a great idea. Let's pitch it.
Speaker 2: Dum, I'm not gonna say it. I've gotten really loosey
Speaker 2: goosey with charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent. Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: it's really fun since my purse is drag Race themed,
Speaker 2: like people will go love your bag and then we'll
Speaker 2: get I get to talk to people about drag Race.
Speaker 2: It's really exciting. Yeah, Well, what else is exciting is
Speaker 2: I went to a store I haven't went into yet
Speaker 2: on my block filled with trolls, filled with movie like
Speaker 2: Death Becomes Her earrings. They have the same Dennis Rodman
Speaker 2: dolls I have. They a box of Simpson's dominoes. Like,
Speaker 2: are you fucking kidding me? I was like, how is
Speaker 2: this on my block? And then two best friend girls
Speaker 2: were sitting working there. Only one girl needed to work there.
Speaker 2: Only one man and two girl best friends own it
Speaker 2: that were not the same girls, And like we just
Speaker 2: kept vibing, and I was like, this is going to
Speaker 2: be a financial disaster for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that we need to make a
Speaker 1: troll budget. You know, we need to decide how many
Speaker 1: trolls were allowed to have for a month and stick
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: I only bought one little one, but I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I actually just bought this grandma and grandpatrol
Speaker 2: that were very ancient and special, and she knew exactly
Speaker 2: what I was talking about, like she's a troll expert
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: The good thing is the picture that you sent me.
Speaker 1: The trolls all looked pretty small. The grandma and grandpa
Speaker 1: are quite large. Yeah, yeah, those are Those are some
Speaker 1: hefty trolls. So I'm glad that you can introduce some
Speaker 1: more small babies into the family.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, any grandkids, right these Grandma hung Gramatrol Lady Greg
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. Okay, what do you think should we get started?
Speaker 2: We should start it at This is a really long one.
Speaker 2: So all the all the people that are listening that
Speaker 2: are commuting. You're gonna have a few days worth of podcasts,
Speaker 2: so you're welcome.
Speaker 3: It's nice and hefty.
Speaker 1: Also check That's Messed Up Live dot com and go
Speaker 1: to Lisa's website link for all of Lisa's like upcoming dates.
Speaker 3: She has so many dates where you can see her
Speaker 3: do stand up.
Speaker 2: Yes, Philadelphia this month, Chicago this month, Nashville this month,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure another thing I'm not. I'm forgetting but
Speaker 2: into April and May, like, let's get this party started, guys. Yeah,
Speaker 2: go support the dolls and thanks to everyone who came
Speaker 2: to Boston.
Speaker 3: We did. I did the Crystal Ballroom.
Speaker 2: And it truly was a dream, a dream beyond a dream.
Speaker 3: It felt really nice. I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: And when you're on That's Messed Up live dot com,
Speaker 1: you can also go to our merch. We've got only
Speaker 1: a few of those college sweatshirts left if you've been
Speaker 1: eyeing one of those. We also have some of our
Speaker 1: tour specific merch that we put up there that are
Speaker 1: like less expensive items you can kind of throw in.
Speaker 1: And we also wanted to give a quick shout out
Speaker 1: to While Casey is on leave, we've had another very
Speaker 1: talented person assembling all of our episodes and making us
Speaker 1: sound normal, and that is Tom Bryfogels. She just wanted
Speaker 1: to give him a shout out, and let's get going
Speaker 1: right one hundred percent. Okay, today we are doing Internal Affairs,
Speaker 1: season fifteen, episode four. This baby goes back to twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you something. The title means more than
Speaker 1: one thing. Okay, Internal Affairs. We open on Olivia wrapping
Speaker 1: up a therapy session with mister Noodle, who is a
Speaker 1: sesame street man. Bill Irwin has played her therapist, Peter
Speaker 1: Lund's Roma on seventeen episodes of SVU, but he has
Speaker 1: not been on since season twenty three, so season twenty
Speaker 1: four no therapist, and it seems like she does need
Speaker 1: therapy more than ever. If you're watching the current season,
Speaker 1: she cannot let oh of this one case. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if maybe this is the guy, because he
Speaker 1: does get her. At the beginning of this episode, he
Speaker 1: hands her a jewelry box and inside is her Fearless
Speaker 1: necklace and that is a Benson signature, and he goes
Speaker 1: because you told me the one that you had before
Speaker 1: is being held as evidence, and that is from William Lewis,
Speaker 1: if you'll recall the William Lewis situation is from a
Speaker 1: couple of episodes ago. And I just don't think your
Speaker 1: therapist is supposed to give you jewelry. Like I get,
Speaker 1: it's a nice idea. I just don't think you should
Speaker 1: be accepting jewelry gifts from your therapist.
Speaker 3: That's just me.
Speaker 1: And especially because she either already has or she later
Speaker 1: has a dream where they're making out, and it's just
Speaker 1: it weirds me out that mister Noodle is giving her jewelry.
Speaker 1: So I get wanting this moment for the show. And
Speaker 1: maybe they could have just had Finn give it to her,
Speaker 1: but whatever, Live tears up when she sees it and
Speaker 1: the guy and she's like thank you, and the guy
Speaker 1: it's like you're welcome. And then it's like it is
Speaker 1: s fu. So my mind is already like set to creepy.
Speaker 1: You know. The next scene, we're at a Bronx courthouse.
Speaker 1: We're in a locker room. I guess there's a locker
Speaker 1: room at the courthouse where the cops change in and
Speaker 1: out of their outfits. And uh, there's a convo going
Speaker 1: on between Cassidy and another cop and the actor playing.
Speaker 1: The other cop is named Mark Minchaka, who I recognize
Speaker 1: immediately from Ozark and he usually has a stash, but
Speaker 1: here he's babyfaced. This guy's also been on OC recently,
Speaker 1: and he's been on criminal intent and if you're interested
Speaker 1: in celebrity gossip, he is married to Lena Hetty, who
Speaker 1: is Sererce fucking Lanister.
Speaker 3: So that's pretty fun. Anyway, Cassidy and this.
Speaker 1: Cop are shooting the shit talking about their commutes to
Speaker 1: the Bronx.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they have a role play as brother
Speaker 2: and sister and have inces grassex.
Speaker 1: He pretends to have one hand. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh did Jamie have one hand? He's the one that
Speaker 3: got it chopped. He gets his hand chopped off.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I will I should revisit. I feel all this
Speaker 2: shows I watched with my ex back in the day,
Speaker 2: like over a decade ago that we didn't finish. I
Speaker 2: just never finished. Yeah, the Wire and Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, I guess I'm over it.
Speaker 1: I did love Game of Thrones the whole time, but
Speaker 1: I feel like the first three seasons are the best ones,
Speaker 1: so you've seen the good stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's still good.
Speaker 2: I think Bingjing is gonna be better for me. It's
Speaker 2: just too many characters in too many places, spread apart
Speaker 2: over too many years. That like, yeah, it's just not
Speaker 2: for my stoner brain. But also I don't even need
Speaker 2: to see it. I'm just obsessed with all the actors. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm on board, you know, I'm I love all the girls.
Speaker 3: But I would be I would love your take on
Speaker 3: the ending. Well, I read about it.
Speaker 2: I read about it, Tidefell level controversy. What finale isn't
Speaker 2: Sopranos Breaking Back? They all are controversial.
Speaker 1: I know everybody hates well Dexter, notoriously one of the
Speaker 1: worst Lost Dexter.
Speaker 2: I guess people just love six Feet Unders. That's like
Speaker 2: known as the best. I feel like was Fresh Prince.
Speaker 2: But I guess that's like sitcom is different too than
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Sitcom's always had kind of sweet endings. I remember the
Speaker 1: Growing Pains one was really cute and like, but but
Speaker 1: dramatic shows, well, what was that?
Speaker 3: What was the season finale of Sex and the City.
Speaker 2: It's them all at the coffee like bring back our girl.
Speaker 2: It's big bringing her back from Paris, and they're all
Speaker 2: like together at the coffee shop laughing.
Speaker 3: I feel right, or maybe it's her typing or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I can't remember. I guess I don't know the final thing.
Speaker 2: But besides six feet under what, there's another one that
Speaker 2: I feel like people were into.
Speaker 3: That was drama I can't think of.
Speaker 1: Well, if you tell us, tell us what you think
Speaker 1: a write us on Instagram and.
Speaker 3: Tell us we're good dramatic finales. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: This guy is shooting the shit with Cassidy. They're talking
Speaker 1: about their long commutes to the Bronx and the other
Speaker 1: CoP's name is Groves, and he's like, yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: they punish you. That's when you find out n why
Speaker 1: stands for now you're persecuted daily. Okay, Cassidy got demoted
Speaker 1: to this like shit position at the Bronx courthouse, if
Speaker 1: you'll remember, because of his relationship with Carissa Gibson bart
Speaker 1: Ganzel's girlfriend who was an escort and he had like
Speaker 1: a consensual relationship with her when he was undercover.
Speaker 3: So he got busted for that by Tucker.
Speaker 1: Suddenly, in the middle of this conversation about like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I had to take the train all the way from rockaway,
Speaker 1: Groves gets all serious. He hands Cassidy a little envelope
Speaker 1: and it's got a safety deposit box key in it,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't tell them where the box is, but
Speaker 1: he goes anything happens to me, A friend of mine
Speaker 1: will tell you where the box is. You take what's
Speaker 1: in there to the New York Times. And Cassidy's like, dude,
Speaker 1: are you for real? And Groves is like, yes, ever
Speaker 1: since I turned on them at the twelfth They tap
Speaker 1: my phones, they're following me. Suddenly a whole fucking ESU
Speaker 1: team shows up, like helmets, the whole thing.
Speaker 3: They rush this guy, Groves. He reaches for his weapon.
Speaker 3: They beat him to it. He's struggling. They tase his ass.
Speaker 1: He's on the floor trembling the taser while Cassidy looks
Speaker 1: on and just like pockets the deposit key. It's like
Speaker 1: he just sensed it was coming. It's not like we
Speaker 1: heard anything. We didn't hear like a banging or like
Speaker 1: a anyone know where Groves is or anything like that.
Speaker 3: He just sensed it and suddenly shit went nuts.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to Cassidy unpacking boxes with Benson
Speaker 1: at a new apartment where they just moved in together.
Speaker 1: Cassidy is taking the skull of a long horn out
Speaker 1: of a box and it's obviously a Cassidy box. I'm
Speaker 1: really annoyed that she has to find a place for
Speaker 1: that in her house.
Speaker 3: He's such a bro.
Speaker 2: To bring a bone thing to her house. Get the
Speaker 2: fuck out of here.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're in New York City.
Speaker 1: Like, we're not doing skeletons on the walls of animal Like,
Speaker 1: it's just anyway. He's like, this place seemed and live
Speaker 1: is like bigger when it was empty. We'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: And then, uh, she's being very optimistic. She seems happy
Speaker 1: as a little clam to be unpacking, getting her domestic
Speaker 1: bliss on and Benson noticed it that Cassidy's mind starts
Speaker 1: wandering and she's like, what's up? And you know, it's like,
Speaker 1: you can tell me, even if it's about work, And
Speaker 1: so he tells her the stories, like they came for
Speaker 1: this guy Groves, they tased him, they hauled him off
Speaker 1: to Bellevue, and now he's on a cyc hold. And
Speaker 1: you didn't get the impression in their little conversation in
Speaker 1: the locker room that this guy needed a CycL like
Speaker 1: maybe he was, you know, being a little paranoid about
Speaker 1: being followed. But Cassidy's like, yeah, the guy was acting paranoid,
Speaker 1: but then they did come and get him, so maybe
Speaker 1: he wasn't being paranoid. And it turns out while Cassidy
Speaker 1: was in the Bronx exiled for his consensual relationship with
Speaker 1: a sex worker while undercover, this guy was exiled for
Speaker 1: being a whistleblower. He made a lot of noise and
Speaker 1: the Twelfth precinct about them cooking their books, and Benson's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you transfer a whistleblower, but like putting him in a
Speaker 1: rubber room that feels.
Speaker 3: You know, excessive.
Speaker 1: Cassidy's like, yeah, after the Twelfth got rid of him,
Speaker 1: he didn't take the hint and he went to Internal
Speaker 1: Affairs and that's the land of Ed Tucker, and Cassidy
Speaker 1: is torn because he's like, well, maybe he is crazy,
Speaker 1: but maybe I should go to IA and tell them
Speaker 1: what I saw and then live in kind of a
Speaker 1: real turn goes You're gonna go to IA, like they
Speaker 1: took your shield, and he's like, but what if Groves
Speaker 1: is telling the truth. And She's suddenly like, dude, isn't
Speaker 1: there someone else who can help him, Like, doesn't he
Speaker 1: have a PBA or a lawyer or some family. She's like,
Speaker 1: you got to look out for you and for me.
Speaker 1: Fuck this guy. It's very wild to see our Queen
Speaker 1: of Justice do like a one to eighty. Like you
Speaker 1: would assume she'd be like, yeah, you should probably go
Speaker 1: tell someone, but they are in a phase right now
Speaker 1: of all hating Tucker. So Live shows up at work
Speaker 1: and Rollins is like, how's the move going, and Lives
Speaker 1: like it's good, but I haven't had a roommate since
Speaker 1: the academy and I forgot that. Like Benson really, like
Speaker 1: we've seen she's sort of dated and hooked up with
Speaker 1: random people, but she hasn't lived with any of these dudes.
Speaker 1: And Cassidy's her first living boyfriend and she's like forty
Speaker 1: four or forty five, so she's really excited. And the
Speaker 1: Gallas chat about how many T shirts Cassidy has and
Speaker 1: it's like, I get it. There's so many their color
Speaker 1: coded so he can find them. Wait who color coded them?
Speaker 1: I originally did?
Speaker 3: And then he keeps it up nice.
Speaker 1: I was just like, you got to keep all the
Speaker 1: black ones together, all the great You can't be like
Speaker 1: rifling through, you know, like so we do it by color.
Speaker 1: Rollin's funnily is like, you know, you can just throw
Speaker 1: them away a few at a time and the guy's
Speaker 1: never notice. And I kind of like that little girl
Speaker 1: talk between them in Saunters ed Tucker and Rollins is
Speaker 1: he's on rollins shit list right now too, because they
Speaker 1: recently had beef in the previous season in the episode
Speaker 1: Deadly Ambition where Kim does something to fuck Amanda over
Speaker 1: and it got her in trouble with IAB again. So
Speaker 1: Tucker is there to see Craigan and he's like going
Speaker 1: in for a closed door meeting, but he's like, Benson,
Speaker 1: you two, so what's up. Tucker goes, I have a
Speaker 1: problem and I need your help. And they're doing some
Speaker 1: zooming camera work to let you know done done. We're
Speaker 1: about to take you to the credits. You're not going
Speaker 1: to get what you want right away, so credit time.
Speaker 1: And now Tucker's there and he goes, we got a
Speaker 1: CompStat issue in the twelfth and CompStat is at I
Speaker 1: don't know if we've talked about this on the pod.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say it again. It is short
Speaker 1: for because they do talk about it in the episode Limitations,
Speaker 1: where the statute of limitations is running out on all
Speaker 1: of those sexual assaults. There's a CompStat meeting, and CompStat
Speaker 1: stands for compare stats, and it is a police management
Speaker 1: system set up by the NYPD in the nineties where
Speaker 1: they keep a daily updated digital record of crimes reported,
Speaker 1: and in weekly meetings, the leadership gathers to review the
Speaker 1: trends that the data shows. Some people have argued that
Speaker 1: this has decreased crime because the cops can find patterns
Speaker 1: and know what to be aware of, but it's also
Speaker 1: been criticized for leading to data manipulation and increase stop
Speaker 1: and frisks and stuff like that, So I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a perfect system by any stretch anyway. Obviously, Benson's
Speaker 1: ears perk up when she hears him mention the twelve
Speaker 1: because her live in boyfriend was just talking about that.
Speaker 1: He says, some of the cops in the unit are
Speaker 1: losing complaints. They had a key witness who yesterday was
Speaker 1: forcibly institutionalized and medicated, and they're like, what does this
Speaker 1: have to do with us? And the reason that s
Speaker 1: FE is being brought in is because sexual assault stats
Speaker 1: have seen a drop over there, so are they really
Speaker 1: dropping what's going on? The witness and the whistleblower. Groves
Speaker 1: claimed that a woman named Tanya Jenkins reported a rape
Speaker 1: that was never entered into the complaint system. So this
Speaker 1: is what Groves went to Tucker about. He hands Lives
Speaker 1: some paperwork, but liv is like, this is a complaint
Speaker 1: against Tanya Jenkins for assaulting a Cabby. Tucker's like, I
Speaker 1: think there might be more to it. We need you
Speaker 1: to go check it out. And she's like, now, this
Speaker 1: is from Christmas and this is I think a September
Speaker 1: or October in the show. And she's like, how long
Speaker 1: have you been sitting on this at IAB And he goes,
Speaker 1: you do your job, I'll do mine. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: but your job is sitting on shit for too long.
Speaker 1: You're making her job harder. And he goes, she's a
Speaker 1: possible rape victim. I thought you'd be sympathetic. So Benson's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll take it. And now they do this
Speaker 1: little camera trick where the camera balances off of Benson
Speaker 1: and back around. We think it's going to be Tucker,
Speaker 1: but no, now it's Rowlin Tomorrow and Finn We're all
Speaker 1: in Craigan's office and Amarro's like, IA is setting us up,
Speaker 1: Like they're trying to I don't know, they're setting us
Speaker 1: up to fail or something, and Cragan's just like, just
Speaker 1: play it by the book. Dot your eyes, cross your
Speaker 1: t's and Benson's like, look, we've all heard rumors about
Speaker 1: the twelfth. If they're covering up rapes, they got to
Speaker 1: go down. Finn's not feeling it already. He's like, I
Speaker 1: hate it here. I don't want to work on this case.
Speaker 1: Craigan sends Finn and Rollins to go talk to the
Speaker 1: Cabby Benson and Tomorrow go talk to Tanya, this woman
Speaker 1: who allegedly made this report. In the next scene, Benson
Speaker 1: has clearly already given Tomorrow some of the teas, so
Speaker 1: he's like, whoa you think Cassidy went to IAB And
Speaker 1: she's like, I don't know. And Cassidy's not answering his phone.
Speaker 1: She's clearly irritated because you know, their boyfriend girlfriend and
Speaker 1: Sirius end roommates and he needs to answer her phone.
Speaker 1: Amorro's like, does Tucker, no, you two are roomies, and
Speaker 1: she throws him the keys and is like take sixth Avenue,
Speaker 1: like she's not going to get into it with him.
Speaker 1: So now we're talking to the cabby. He's telling the
Speaker 1: tale of a New York City good time gal. This
Speaker 1: girl is drunk, she is puking, she has no money,
Speaker 1: and she swings on him, so he throws her out
Speaker 1: of the cab. And the two girls. It's so funny
Speaker 1: because I've spent so many nights in New York way
Speaker 1: drunker than I should be. I've been dressed like a
Speaker 1: little slutty, and I if I get drunk and I
Speaker 1: throw up, I'm always like, do somebody take me home?
Speaker 1: Like my late last instinct is to fight someone. I'm
Speaker 1: always my first instinct is always like can I have
Speaker 1: a hug? Like I don't know, I'm not. I'm just
Speaker 1: not that that's not my vibe. But the two cops
Speaker 1: who pulled up told the cabby, you should follow charges
Speaker 1: in case she tries to accuse you of something later.
Speaker 1: But then a week later she hasn't done anything, so
Speaker 1: he dropped the charges. He's like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: go to court, and he goes, I don't know what
Speaker 1: happened to her. I drove off and the cops dealt
Speaker 1: with her. So now we're talking to Tanya and she's
Speaker 1: a very pretty redhead and a business attire on the street,
Speaker 1: and she's confused why Benson and Tomorrow are all up
Speaker 1: in her business.
Speaker 3: She's like, the.
Speaker 1: Cabby dropped the charges. It was my fault. I was drunk.
Speaker 1: I'm going to meetings now. And they're like, well, we
Speaker 1: just want to know what happened to you that night,
Speaker 1: and she goes, you can tell them I said nothing happened,
Speaker 1: and then she's like, I gotta go.
Speaker 3: I'm for work.
Speaker 1: You know, nobody ever has time to talk to the
Speaker 1: cops in New York. And she's like a bat out
Speaker 1: of hell, and Benson is like, Okay, something definitely happened
Speaker 1: the way that she worded it, saying tell them I
Speaker 1: said nothing happened. So they think maybe the cops wanted
Speaker 1: to keep stats down told her to drop the whole
Speaker 1: thing or she'd be charged with assault. But if she
Speaker 1: was raped, then her rapist is out there. Let's go
Speaker 1: talk to the responding officers. Their names are West and Quinn,
Speaker 1: so they head over to the twelfth Fun fact, I
Speaker 1: did look it up, and the twelfth Precinct does not exist.
Speaker 1: In Manhattan and Lisa yours is the ninth. Just FYI, wow,
Speaker 1: I need you to know your precinct so that you
Speaker 1: can call them if you have to. So over at
Speaker 1: the twelfth they are talking to Lieutenant Terrence Wood, who
Speaker 1: was played by Lance Roberts and I don't know much
Speaker 1: else about him, but that's who plays him. And he
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, we're looking for a Cabby. We're looking
Speaker 1: at him for a string of rapes. And the guy's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of nightclubs around here. The weekends are
Speaker 1: a zoo. And they're like, oh, yeah, you could talk
Speaker 1: to West and Quinn. He calls them in and Quinn.
Speaker 1: They give her first name in the wiki that her
Speaker 1: name is Ryan Quinn, which I like a woman's name
Speaker 1: in a man's profession. And she is played by Nadia Dejohnny,
Speaker 1: who I know her from a lot of things. She
Speaker 1: has a very prolific IMDb, but iconically she is Nina Katz,
Speaker 1: the Saturday Night Live booker who made the face in
Speaker 1: Sex and the City. I always think of her like
Speaker 1: that character.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite lines from the show is in
Speaker 2: that episode where that, like Carrie there a meal.
Speaker 3: She's talking about it, and.
Speaker 2: Charlotte goes, I mean, it could be Bell's palsy, and
Speaker 2: Carrie has to go, it's not Bell's paulsy.
Speaker 3: You definitely told me that before that.
Speaker 1: You love that line because you know, I had a
Speaker 1: friend in college who woke up one day with Bell's
Speaker 1: palsy and just half her face was just like drooping.
Speaker 1: It went away after a few weeks, but it was crazy,
Speaker 1: like when she would smile, it would be like this.
Speaker 2: No. I actually for some reason, I don't I can't
Speaker 2: pinpoint any actual information, but I feel it came into
Speaker 2: my brain recently of someone like, Yeah, you just have
Speaker 2: to get used to your face being droopy, like your
Speaker 2: life changes, like people look at you different. And then
Speaker 2: it goes back, like, yeah, you suddenly live a life
Speaker 2: as a droopy like people will look at you different.
Speaker 2: It's wild to experience that kind of shift in perspective.
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't happen often. Yeah, and then it
Speaker 2: goes away, hopefully. I mean, I don't know much about
Speaker 2: Bell's policy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know enough about it. It might not
Speaker 3: always go away.
Speaker 2: Charlotte's just annoying. It's like, why are you giving this
Speaker 2: bitch the benefit of the doubt. Your friend is sitting
Speaker 2: right there. Yeah, I just like, why are you defending
Speaker 2: Nina Cats. You don't even fucking know her? If that
Speaker 2: is an issue for me, Oh, are you sure she
Speaker 2: wasn't having a bad day. No, I just told you
Speaker 2: she was a bitch and you better have my side.
Speaker 2: I don't care if that's toxic.
Speaker 3: That show is like Seinfeld.
Speaker 1: It does such a good job if somebody can be
Speaker 1: in one episode and not even in that much of it.
Speaker 1: And when I see this actress, Nadia de Johnny, I go,
Speaker 1: Nina Cats, that's a good Cats. Like everywhere I see her,
Speaker 1: it's like you're like, oh, that's man hands, you know,
Speaker 1: It's like you just know they do such a good job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the guy with the funky taste thing spunk.
Speaker 2: Yeah me, Bob Bobby Kenavalli's so bad, one of the
Speaker 2: greatest actors, and just be like, oh my god, we're the.
Speaker 3: Funky tasting spunk.
Speaker 1: Like nothing about all the stage work he's done, like
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: Quinn is Nina Katz and the other cop West is
Speaker 1: played by David Conrad, who I thought I recognized him,
Speaker 1: but when I look up his Instagram it's like he
Speaker 1: has a small part in wedding crashers, but he was
Speaker 1: a regular on The Ghost Whisperer, and to me, he
Speaker 1: just has like generic handsome man vibes.
Speaker 3: He kind of looks a little bit like all of
Speaker 3: her Hudson.
Speaker 1: He looks like a bunch of different, like sort of
Speaker 1: hot cop type guys that could be in procedurals and stuff.
Speaker 1: And he remembers Tanya. When they see her face. At first,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, we pick up ten drunk
Speaker 1: girls all the time. But then they see Tanya has
Speaker 1: picture and they're like, oh, she was a mess. She
Speaker 1: was drunk, she was covered in vomit. They didn't bring
Speaker 1: her in because with the binge drinker, they kind of
Speaker 1: have a catch and release policy. And the lieutenant says,
Speaker 1: I try to tell my guys to make sure to
Speaker 1: get them home safe, but you know, like we can't
Speaker 1: really bring it in process like every drunk girl on
Speaker 1: a Saturday night. So they realized that the cops are
Speaker 1: the ones that took them home. And Quinn's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she couldn't have made it on her own. She was
Speaker 1: drunk and sloppy. That's easy prey. So they just keep
Speaker 1: talking about how wasted this girl was. The next scene,
Speaker 1: Amanda's like, you think these unis bury to rape, but
Speaker 1: Olivia is like, yeah, I mean the cops are the
Speaker 1: ones who brought her home, and then they double check,
Speaker 1: and the cabby had an airport run right after he
Speaker 1: dropped her off, and then he went from JFK to Westchester,
Speaker 1: so the cabby definitely didn't do anything. So if this
Speaker 1: woman reported a sexual assault the next day, who else
Speaker 1: would it have been from unless it happened in the club.
Speaker 1: Craigan tells them to compare precinct blogs to nine one
Speaker 1: one calls and see if someone called in a sexual
Speaker 1: assault that somehow got dropped. Amarrow offers to do the
Speaker 1: checking with Rollin so that Benson can go home and
Speaker 1: have some you know, cute sea time with her boyfriend
Speaker 1: because they just moved it back at home, Live is
Speaker 1: unpacking books. Sadly, the longhorned skeleton has made its way
Speaker 1: onto the wall above the television. Cassidy gets home and
Speaker 1: apologizes for being late. He was like, it was a
Speaker 1: bitch of a day, and Lives like, yeah, it must
Speaker 1: have been. I've been calling your ass all day, and
Speaker 1: he's like oh, I called you back, but we kept
Speaker 1: missing each other. And then he changes the subject and
Speaker 1: he's like, this place looks great.
Speaker 3: How are you trying to lie to fucking Benson right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like, stop, You've never been that good of a cop
Speaker 1: compared to Benson.
Speaker 3: You're not going to get anything past her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she tells him about Tucker's little visit to the
Speaker 1: squad and it turns out Groves was onto something, and
Speaker 1: then she just point blank goes, did you go to Tucker?
Speaker 3: And he goes, no, Tucker came to me tonight. That's
Speaker 3: why I'm late.
Speaker 1: Tucker wants Cassidy to go undercover at the twelfth, but
Speaker 1: Cassidy said, fuck no, I don't trust them. You don't
Speaker 1: trust them, and then lives like, oh about that. It
Speaker 1: looks like two cops from the twelfth may have coerced
Speaker 1: this victim into dropping a sexual assault complaint. So I
Speaker 1: am working that case and Cassidy's like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: You're allowed to work with iab but I'm not. And
Speaker 1: then Benson gets a text in the middle of this
Speaker 1: little tiff and she's got a bounce. Rollin's found something
Speaker 1: we all know. Rollins is you know a computer expert
Speaker 1: or whatever. That's not even really what she was doing.
Speaker 1: But at the precinct everyone is gathered for this late
Speaker 1: night meeting and Rollins is like, sorry to drag you
Speaker 1: all back in, and Finn goes, no, you're not, that's
Speaker 1: your thing, and that really made me laugh, Like how
Speaker 1: many times has Rolin's been like, this can't be a text?
Speaker 1: Everybody meet back at the squad. So Rollin says she
Speaker 1: checked Anye on one calls. There were no sexual assault reports,
Speaker 1: but there were two bogus sounding calls, both from Tanya's block.
Speaker 1: One was like a homeless person and another was a
Speaker 1: noise complaint, and West and Quinn responded to both, which
Speaker 1: puts them on her block for basically the whole night.
Speaker 1: And they're in luck. The apartment building next door has
Speaker 1: security cameras and boy are they high definition, and they
Speaker 1: still have the footage from nine months ago. Perfect The
Speaker 1: footage show them bringing Tanya home and guess what, West
Speaker 1: went back. That's the mail cop. It's kind of confusing
Speaker 1: because Quinn and West seem like similar names to me.
Speaker 1: West is the man cop. He went back in twice.
Speaker 1: They get her upstairs, then Quinn, the female officer comes
Speaker 1: down after fifteen minutes and leaves her buddy West up
Speaker 1: there for thirty minutes. Then they respond to a nine
Speaker 1: to one one call, and then after that Wes goes
Speaker 1: back up to her apartment for another hour. Then they
Speaker 1: respond to another call from the same payphone, and he
Speaker 1: goes up for another forty minutes, which this is like
Speaker 1: so horrifying to me, Like, first of all, it's the
Speaker 1: most horrific abuse of power for it to be a
Speaker 1: police officer, but then that they also might just be
Speaker 1: like returning throughout the night. So the precinct reception does
Speaker 1: have a record of Tanya Jenkins signing in the next day,
Speaker 1: which is when Grove said she reported, and the log
Speaker 1: shows that she was there for over an hour, but
Speaker 1: there's no record of who she spoke with, so they
Speaker 1: must have gone her to kill the complaint and then
Speaker 1: they scared the shit out of her.
Speaker 3: Finn's like, hold up, this isn't for us. This is ia.
Speaker 1: They're the ones that go after cops lives Like they're
Speaker 1: not cops, they're rapists. So now they're playing these nine
Speaker 1: to one one calls and they're definitely Quinn, the female
Speaker 1: officer's voice like you can just hear it's her voice.
Speaker 1: And they're laying out all their findings for Tucker and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, all these tapes prove are misconduct, Like
Speaker 1: that's this isn't enough, and they're like, he goes, it
Speaker 1: was eight months ago. There's no rape kit. She was drunk.
Speaker 1: She's a reluctant, unreliable witness against two decorated cops. And
Speaker 1: they're like, well, someone told her to keep her mouth shut.
Speaker 1: So Live wants to talk to Tanya again, and Tucker's like,
Speaker 1: slow down. These cops are going to lawyer up if
Speaker 1: they think they're suspects, but let's just get all our
Speaker 1: ducks in the row before we pounce. And then he
Speaker 1: asked Benson, why don't you walk me out? The mood
Speaker 1: is kind of tense, so Tucker goes, so that boyfriend
Speaker 1: of yours even for a mick, he's thick, But what
Speaker 1: does that mean?
Speaker 3: What's a mick?
Speaker 1: Nick is a slur of Irish people, but I think
Speaker 1: Tucker is also Irish Catholics, so maybe he's allowed to
Speaker 1: say that. But I looked it up and mick is
Speaker 1: like an abbreviation for Michael, and since Michael is such
Speaker 1: a popular Irish name. It's like a Mick is a
Speaker 1: Irish person, but it's derogatory, you know, so even for
Speaker 1: a Mick, he's thick. The guy says, which is so
Speaker 1: funny because I'm like, didn't we arrest your priest in
Speaker 1: another episode? Like you are Irish Catholic as well? And
Speaker 1: so Live's taken aback and Tucker's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if she's more taken aback that he's calling him that word,
Speaker 1: or that he knows about their relationship. But Tucker's like,
Speaker 1: if he goes under for me, he gets his shield back,
Speaker 1: and he won't commit because he thinks there's bad blood
Speaker 1: between us. And in a very tailor moment, because Mushka
Speaker 1: was in the bad Blood video and I thought you
Speaker 1: might like the connect, Lisa, you're right. Tucker is pitching
Speaker 1: it to Benson as Cassidy's redemption, Like we get him
Speaker 1: in there, he partners with Wes, he builds trust, he
Speaker 1: gets an admission, maybe even catches them in the act
Speaker 1: and Live goes yeah, and then he has to wrap
Speaker 1: them out and Tucker's like, which is surprising. Tucker goes
Speaker 1: thin blue line crap from you, like they're rapists. And
Speaker 1: I'm also shocked that Live is like, oh, yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't wrap people out. It's like you just said they're
Speaker 1: not cops the rapist, So who cares if you like, Oh.
Speaker 2: This happens where it's like every few years Benson does
Speaker 2: something not characteristic. Yeah, totally goes against her moral, ethical,
Speaker 2: professional codes, her better instincts. Like it is strange, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like that is how humans
Speaker 2: are and sometimes you fuck up, or you're influenced in
Speaker 2: a weird way, or if it's the writer's being bad.
Speaker 1: I also feel like it's kind of like a setup
Speaker 1: that Cassidy's not the right guy for her in a way,
Speaker 1: like she's always having to kind of like make excuses
Speaker 1: for him and be like yeah, but he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to do that, or like even later in this episode,
Speaker 1: I have more examples, like I just think they're kind
Speaker 1: of setting it up that like, yeah, we want her
Speaker 1: to be happy, but this isn't the guy, you know, like.
Speaker 2: To me, no, but she knew he wasn't the guy
Speaker 2: season one. It is crazy that they ended up getting
Speaker 2: back together. I'm doing all these things because like she
Speaker 2: knew that he was beneath her in nineteen ninety nine and.
Speaker 1: Like him going undercover and having a consensual relationship with
Speaker 1: an escort, that's what brought her around, like it's kind
Speaker 1: of wild. That's what made her be like, maybe he
Speaker 1: is different, maybe he's my guy. It doesn't it really
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were having an issue in the writer's room,
Speaker 1: but either way, Tucker offers to put her in tomorrow
Speaker 1: on backup, and he wants Benson to convince Cassidy to
Speaker 1: do it. He's like, you want him up at that
Speaker 1: Bronx courthouse till he breaks like Groves did. And it's like,
Speaker 1: we're not even positive anything's wrong with Groves, Like this
Speaker 1: feels like we're gonna get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 1: But anyway, now we're at the twelfth and that lieutenant
Speaker 1: is welcoming Cassidy and some little dude to the precinct
Speaker 1: and the lieutenant goes, this is what I get for
Speaker 1: getting good stats rookie screw ups and burnouts, and then
Speaker 1: he goes no offense, but Cassidy goes none taken, Sir,
Speaker 1: I know I got to earn my way back in.
Speaker 1: Thanks for giving me the chance and so they partner
Speaker 1: Quinn with the little guy, and they partner.
Speaker 3: Cassidy with Wes.
Speaker 1: West goes, oh, the guy who got busted with hookers
Speaker 1: is trying to earn his way back into the department's
Speaker 1: graces and West is like, oh, if they put you
Speaker 1: on the back on the beat at your age, put
Speaker 1: in for your twenty. So it's like he's shading him
Speaker 1: all over the place, age past everything. So they're walking
Speaker 1: outside and West's like, I decide where we patrol when
Speaker 1: we stop to piss, like it's my I'm the boss. Whatever,
Speaker 1: and then he goes and no personal talk. I don't
Speaker 1: care about your kids, and Cassidy's like same here and
Speaker 1: I'm not a dad.
Speaker 3: This is a quote.
Speaker 1: So Wes goes that prosty you got busted for banging?
Speaker 1: Was she as hot as she looked? So it's like,
Speaker 1: are you a fan of his or what? Like was
Speaker 1: this in the newspaper that they were hooking? Like it
Speaker 1: doesn't that's weird, Like did you just hear that through
Speaker 1: police gossip? Like I don't understand how he knows that
Speaker 1: that's Cassidy. And Cassidy's like, screw you, but yeah, like
Speaker 1: he's trying to set the stage like I'm a dirt
Speaker 1: bag like you are. So we continue to hear these
Speaker 1: two chat as Benson and Tomorrow are listening in from
Speaker 1: a car park nearby. Amorrow thinks this guy is gonna
Speaker 1: give Cassidy shit, but Benson's like, I think he'll be
Speaker 1: just fine. If I know any thing about my boyfriend,
Speaker 1: it's that he knows how to act like a dirt
Speaker 1: bag when he's undercover. So as they cruise around, Cassidy
Speaker 1: cuts right to the chase. He goes, you guys, bust
Speaker 1: any working girls around here. It's like day one on
Speaker 1: the job. He's like, not even chilling for a second
Speaker 1: before he tries to just get in there with these people.
Speaker 1: Wes is like, yeah, you can just watch the club girls.
Speaker 1: They get drunk next morning, walk of shame, they get
Speaker 1: buyer's remorse, like this one. He honks and pulls over,
Speaker 1: and it's fucking Tanya walking down the street, Like we
Speaker 1: live in Daniel Tiger's fucking neighborhood and there's only ten
Speaker 1: people that live in New York. Like Tanya's just walking
Speaker 1: down the street. He pulls over. It's like Tanya, she
Speaker 1: looks terrified and she's like, I just want to go home,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you're still going to meetings and she's
Speaker 1: like six months, one day at a time, and then
Speaker 1: she like scurries off, like you could tell she's not
Speaker 1: cool with seeing this guy. And he's like, I'm here
Speaker 1: if you need a friend, Like he's an absolute psycho
Speaker 1: that is getting off on like sort of psychologically torturing
Speaker 1: this girl. Cassidy tries to get him to say something
Speaker 1: more about Tanya. We're not there yet. The guy's not
Speaker 1: giving it up. The money in the bank has not
Speaker 1: been deposited in the other car. Benson is getting the
Speaker 1: whole picture. First, this guy rapes Tanya, then he harasses
Speaker 1: her with pretending to look out for her. This is
Speaker 1: about control, intimidation and a complete abuse of power. And
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's like, yeah, it's gross, but it's not enough, Like
Speaker 1: we don't have enough on this. Like so back to
Speaker 1: Cassidy and West prowling the streets, and Cassidy's like, when
Speaker 1: is shit gonna pick up? It's my first day on
Speaker 1: the job and I would just love to use my
Speaker 1: power to sexually assault someone. And this guy also doesn't
Speaker 1: for one second think that it's weird that he got
Speaker 1: placed with like a horny new partner. A few days
Speaker 1: after s Fu was stiffing around asking questions about Tanya,
Speaker 1: like you will never be promoted to detective bro, like
Speaker 1: you are dumb. So in the other car, Amorro's like
Speaker 1: asking Live about the new living situation, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nice to have someone to come home to, and
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's like, yeah, I miss it.
Speaker 3: It's like you are bad to be married too.
Speaker 1: And then it's like it's one thing to be like
Speaker 1: how's your new living situation, it's another to be like,
Speaker 1: how's therapy going? You like your therapist? Tell me about
Speaker 1: therapy live and she's like, you know, I sent a
Speaker 1: dozen or more survivors to mister Noodle and it turns
Speaker 1: out I was right. He's really good. I feel very
Speaker 1: safe there. And Amar's like, you know, I'm here if
Speaker 1: you ever want to talk about anything live, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, what has actually been great is that you
Speaker 1: treat me normal like so, don't get all weird now,
Speaker 1: just like be cool, be normal, treat me like you
Speaker 1: always have. So we cut to Cassidy and west Wienermobile,
Speaker 1: where a call comes in about a drunken disorderly on
Speaker 1: ganz Afort, which is the meatpacking district where a lot
Speaker 1: of clubs are, and when they get there, a girl
Speaker 1: is wasted in a tight dress. She's fighting with some guys,
Speaker 1: calling them losers. This actress's name is Danielle Delaco, and
Speaker 1: I think she used to date the comedian Dan Soder
Speaker 1: because I remember being in a green room with him
Speaker 1: and he goes he knew I liked SVU and told
Speaker 1: me his girlfriend's going to be on an episode like
Speaker 1: this week or next week.
Speaker 3: She plays a drunk girl, like yelling at the cops
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I remember when I watched the episode, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's Dan's girlfriend, and I did get it confirmed in
Speaker 1: a deep expanse of Reddit that I did not appreciate
Speaker 1: having to go to anyway. This girl's name is Gretchen,
Speaker 1: and she says that guy grabbed my ass, the wrong guy,
Speaker 1: and Cassidy's like, what about the right one? Like Cassidy
Speaker 1: just blatantly, out loud flirting with this girl, and the
Speaker 1: girl's like okay, like she's kind of into it. Lives
Speaker 1: in the car listening to him flirt with this girl,
Speaker 1: and yes, it's for an operation, but like how many
Speaker 1: times do we have to make Olivia listen to him
Speaker 1: while he's undercover trying to fuck people?
Speaker 3: Like she deserves better than this.
Speaker 1: Gretchen says, nice upgrade on your partner to West. So
Speaker 1: I guess we're to believe that they know each other,
Speaker 1: Gretchen and West, and that they've met before. So they
Speaker 1: load her into the car and now we're at her
Speaker 1: home and West tells Cassidy, you chill down here. If
Speaker 1: I'm not back in twenty minutes, spring me with a
Speaker 1: bogus call. She can get clingy. So Lives like, are
Speaker 1: we just gonna let this happen? And Amarro's like it
Speaker 1: sounds consensual. This girl wants to fuck cops for some
Speaker 1: reason and they have a history, and Live is like
Speaker 1: she's drunk, she can't and Tomorrow's like, but so are
Speaker 1: half the people on the street tonight who are going
Speaker 1: home no have sex.
Speaker 3: So Quinn rolls up with her shorty.
Speaker 1: In her police car and asks Cassidy is everything all right?
Speaker 1: Like she's kind of feeling out if Cassidy's cool with
Speaker 1: the situation, like you're playing lookout, you get that right,
Speaker 1: And she says, you know, not to put this in
Speaker 1: the memo book, and Cassidy goes, what memo book? It's
Speaker 1: very uh Mountain dew baby, And so liv wants to
Speaker 1: send Cassidy up there, and Tomorrow's like no, they're testing him,
Speaker 1: Like we cannot send him up. So when Wes gets
Speaker 1: back in the car, Cassidy's like, my turn, and he goes,
Speaker 1: next time, my girl Quinny needs back up. So they
Speaker 1: take off and we meet up with Quinn and her
Speaker 1: new partner, the short Man. She tells her guy listen
Speaker 1: to the radio, and then she does like an exploding
Speaker 1: fist bump with West. I bet that they choreographed that together.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was in the script. Like it's
Speaker 1: like this little hand gesture that they do together. And
Speaker 1: Cassidy's like, I don't know what's going on right now.
Speaker 1: West and Quinn bring him upstairs to a brothel. Baby.
Speaker 1: It is a dark dark room. Sex workers are everywhere.
Speaker 1: A girl comes up and introduces herself to Cassidy as Lilah,
Speaker 1: and holy shit, it is trace lysette an icon. I'm
Speaker 1: very excited to see this movie Monica that she's in
Speaker 1: that is coming out. It's getting raves on the festival circuit.
Speaker 1: But we know her from Transparent. She's an icon and
Speaker 1: she takes Cassidy to the back while Quinn and West
Speaker 1: just like watch him walk away. So they're making sure
Speaker 1: that he's going to go through with it to prove
Speaker 1: he's not a rat, Like they can't just be like
Speaker 1: go up there, and you know, they're like really kind
Speaker 1: of walking into the back room, and then yeah, we
Speaker 1: cut to one of the most awkward moments where Tomorrow
Speaker 1: and Live are in the car listening to Cassidy get
Speaker 1: it on with Lilah and he's like, yeah, right there,
Speaker 1: like you're hearing details, and Tomorrow's like he's just working
Speaker 1: and Lives like I know, I know, it's fine, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, she doesn't feel great about it.
Speaker 1: Now that's the end of act two. So now Cassidy
Speaker 1: is bidding farewell to Lilah and he's like how much
Speaker 1: do we owe? And West's like it's on the house.
Speaker 1: It's a mutually beneficial arrangement, and Quinn goes call it
Speaker 1: quid pro ho wordplay. At the precinct, Cassidy walks in
Speaker 1: and tries to tell Live about what she heard. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know what you heard on the radio, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. Tucker's here, like,
Speaker 1: let's get in the office. So now we're all in
Speaker 1: Cragan's office, Tucker, the gang, Cassidy. Tucker's like, I listened
Speaker 1: the whole night. We're talking maybe dereliction of duty here.
Speaker 1: It's not enough And they're like what about Tanya? And
Speaker 1: Tucker's like, that's subjective. You know that he pulled up
Speaker 1: on Tanya and it's like harassing her a little bit.
Speaker 1: Amaro goes, well, he earned their trust like Cassidy did.
Speaker 1: Like these guys are going to slip up eventually. Tucker's like,
Speaker 1: with all due your unit's under coverability with escorts, they
Speaker 1: might slip up or he might referring to Cassidy and
Speaker 1: it's like, did you or did you not beg him
Speaker 1: to do this? Like he had to get it done
Speaker 1: on night one?
Speaker 3: Is that it? Like what kind of undercover operation is this?
Speaker 1: It's like, there's not enough. I sent you in there
Speaker 1: for one shift. Why didn't you find everything? It's like
Speaker 1: you begged him, You went around his back to his
Speaker 1: girl friend and begged her to get him to do it.
Speaker 1: And now you're like, you guys aren't very good at this.
Speaker 1: It's like really wild. So either way, if they make Cassidy,
Speaker 1: the whole investigation is going to go to shit.
Speaker 3: And they're like, what whole investigation?
Speaker 1: And Tucker admits, He's like, yeah, it turns out some
Speaker 1: stuff quote unquote shook loose and there's more moving pieces
Speaker 1: than expected, so there might be more girls, and then
Speaker 1: the victims are all going to be drunk and scared
Speaker 1: like Tanya. And Finn's like, well, if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then why don't you set up a honeytrap?
Speaker 3: And of course pick me Girl of the Century goes.
Speaker 1: Drunken, disorderly. Pick me, I can do that. Rollins wants
Speaker 1: to do undercover drunk work, so we cut to West's
Speaker 1: and Cassidy on the beat. They get a call about
Speaker 1: another drunk hottie. They take the call, Quinn responds as backup.
Speaker 1: When they arrive, it's Amanda undercover as a drunk bitch.
Speaker 1: Finn is her driver, but they are fighting because she
Speaker 1: fucked up his car or something. They break it up
Speaker 1: and they tell Rollin's to come with them. She's wearing
Speaker 1: a wild wig. Leans over to buckle Amanda in and
Speaker 1: he goes I don't know what it is with you
Speaker 1: women low self esteem? And it's like, what, like, if anything,
Speaker 1: I think she has high self esteem that she's going
Speaker 1: out on the town partying, she's by herself, she could
Speaker 1: take care of herself. And she's like, this guy is
Speaker 1: trying to say I just like wrong, I'm gonna fuck
Speaker 1: with him right back. I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's low self esteem, but this man clearly does not
Speaker 1: respect women. He's touching her leg as he buckles her in.
Speaker 1: He goes, we can work something out when we get
Speaker 1: you home, and then he gets in the car and
Speaker 1: he's like, I got her license, her house keys, her address,
Speaker 1: Like he's got everything. So Finn is back at the
Speaker 1: house with Craigan and they're watching this whole op go down,
Speaker 1: and Finn goes, yeah, Quinn didn't threaten me, but she
Speaker 1: told me to stop picking up drunk white women. So
Speaker 1: you know, probably a good, good idea. They bring Rollin's
Speaker 1: into this apartment and layer on the bed. What are
Speaker 1: these apartments? Have we talked about this before, Like, is
Speaker 1: this just like an apartment that they have set up
Speaker 1: for or is this like one of the uniformed officers
Speaker 1: like you can use my apartment. I you know, like
Speaker 1: like how much do they set dress it?
Speaker 3: Do they have pictures of rollins up?
Speaker 1: Like I'm wondering, you know, like how much do they
Speaker 1: these little stinghouses. If you're on the police force and
Speaker 1: you know, please let me know, or if you're in
Speaker 1: detective or lawyering, let me know when they do these
Speaker 1: kind of like undercover sting things and somebody has to
Speaker 1: have because like we've seen Stabler for example, in like
Speaker 1: a shitty bachelor pad where it's like or a or
Speaker 1: a motel or something whatever, when it's like some girls
Speaker 1: like cute apartment and it's supposed to like have a
Speaker 1: bedspread and like look like she lives there by herself.
Speaker 1: What are they doing?
Speaker 3: Are the airbnbing? Who's to say?
Speaker 1: So they bring rollins in to this fake apartment. They
Speaker 1: lie her on the bed and West is talking about
Speaker 1: this is great because we don't even have to hose
Speaker 1: this one down, so you can tell they're really taking
Speaker 1: home like girls that have been sick and stuff. And
Speaker 1: Tanya had been. Cassidy goes, what if we get a call,
Speaker 1: and he goes, we can always come back.
Speaker 3: I've got her keys.
Speaker 1: So then he tells Cassidy get out of here, give
Speaker 1: me fifteen minutes with her. Then he gets a message
Speaker 1: on his phone. He goes, I have to make a call.
Speaker 1: Why don't you have at it? And he goes, quote
Speaker 1: unquote warmer up for me. Barf so in the car
Speaker 1: Olivia doesn't like how he's making Cassidy go first. He's like,
Speaker 1: something's up, Like this guy doesn't want sloppy seconds, like
Speaker 1: what's happening. Cassidy is going through the motions of like
Speaker 1: you know, kind of getting on top of Rollins, and
Speaker 1: Rollins is like no, stop, like they're acting. They obviously
Speaker 1: know each other, but they're trying to keep his cover
Speaker 1: because West is right outside her open bedroom door taking
Speaker 1: this phone call. He interrupts them and goest, I got
Speaker 1: a call.
Speaker 3: We gotta go.
Speaker 1: Everyone is confused why Wes would possibly pass up like
Speaker 1: hot drunk Rollins on a platter and lives like I
Speaker 1: think they've made Cassidy like we're in trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he did come on strong, but also
Speaker 2: it seems like they want him to fuck everyone immedia
Speaker 2: or rape them immediately too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like they just came asking about Tanya
Speaker 1: maybe you guys take a week off, take a week
Speaker 1: off of grabbing girls from the clubs, Like, just take
Speaker 1: a little bit of time off. But they're like immediately
Speaker 1: back at it. But I get why when you find
Speaker 1: out what's happening later, kind of get why. So West
Speaker 1: is like rushing down the stairwell with Cassidy and Quinn
Speaker 1: shows up gun drawn, calling him a rat, and then
Speaker 1: Wes suddenly has his gun out too. They pull off
Speaker 1: Cassidy's bag. It comes apart like a paper mache.
Speaker 3: Piece of nothing.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: They just touch his badge and it's like flute opens up.
Speaker 1: There's a wire, like they can tell he's been recording them.
Speaker 1: They march him out of there at gunpoint, and fuck now,
Speaker 1: we're worried because nobody wants to see Cassidy. He does
Speaker 1: have a texa, a long horned skull, but we don't
Speaker 1: want to see him die, you know. So back at
Speaker 1: Amanda's fake apartment and she's like, yeah, something was off.
Speaker 1: It felt like Wes was playing us. Craigan radios Live
Speaker 1: in Tomorrow, who report that Cassidy's wire went dead forty
Speaker 1: five seconds ago, but Quinn's car has been parked out
Speaker 1: front and no one drove by, so what the hell's
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 3: Cut to them in a yellow cab. Quinn is driving
Speaker 3: a yellow cab.
Speaker 1: They've got Cassidy in the back and West is in
Speaker 1: the front passenger seat. They made Cassidy hand over his cell.
Speaker 1: They dial nine one one and Quinn makes a fake
Speaker 1: call about a man on her fire escape with a gun.
Speaker 1: She gives an address and goes and he says he's
Speaker 1: coming back. Then she throws the phone out the window.
Speaker 1: Cassidy says, what I'm thinking, you're commandeering cabs and making
Speaker 1: nine to one wone calls from my phone?
Speaker 3: That's your plan?
Speaker 1: Like these are the dumbest cops.
Speaker 3: Of all time.
Speaker 1: So like cause they never really explained that, like the
Speaker 1: nine one one call will be traced to his phone
Speaker 1: when this is all done, So what's going on? The
Speaker 1: squad meets up to make a plan to find Cassidy
Speaker 1: back in the cab. Cassidy's like, you guys got me
Speaker 1: all wrong, and they're like, we know you worked with
Speaker 1: Groves in the Bronx.
Speaker 3: And Cassidy's like he's a nutjob. I don't believe anything,
Speaker 3: he says.
Speaker 1: The other cops find the little shorty Quinn's partner, and
Speaker 1: he's like, she got in a cab. She said it
Speaker 1: was personal. I just got out of the academy three
Speaker 1: weeks ago.
Speaker 3: I do whatever she tells me.
Speaker 1: And so now they're on a rooftop and at gunpoint,
Speaker 1: they ask Cassidy, what did Groves tell you about us?
Speaker 1: They pistol whip his ass. He keeps saying nothing. They
Speaker 1: keep saying what did he takes? He keeps saying nothing.
Speaker 1: Now Cassidy's down on his knees. Quinn gets on her
Speaker 1: radio and goes shots fired and starts shooting her gun.
Speaker 1: Wes also goes, can't find my backup into his radio
Speaker 1: because they're setting the scene for this to be like
Speaker 1: some kind of situation where Cassidy ends up dead. Cassidy's like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna shoot me in the head with my own gun,
Speaker 1: and they're like, not us.
Speaker 3: The purp grabbed it.
Speaker 1: So they're like, last chance to tell us what Groves
Speaker 1: told you, and Quinn starts counting down from five, and
Speaker 1: when she's done, Wes goes, you want me to call
Speaker 1: in the officer down or do you want to do it?
Speaker 1: And then we hear liv go how about I call
Speaker 1: it in for YOUA boom pan around to Olivia. Everybody's there.
Speaker 1: They're busted. They're like, we're on the job. It's like
Speaker 1: we know you're dresses. Cops like they cuff them, they
Speaker 1: walk off, and lives like are you okay, baby, And
Speaker 1: he's like yeah, so really fucking nick of time. It
Speaker 1: feels like they were going to shoot his ass. But
Speaker 1: it's also like if he's wearing a wire and he's undercover,
Speaker 1: are you guys dumb? Like it is going to look
Speaker 1: bad that he died in this like shooting where there's
Speaker 1: no prints on the gun and there's no just of
Speaker 1: the perp.
Speaker 3: No footprints of the other guys.
Speaker 1: Nothing, no presence of another person, mar Tires, no nothing.
Speaker 1: It's just it is dumb decision after dumb decision. But
Speaker 1: at the precinct, Tanya is there and lives like we
Speaker 1: got them, we got West and Quinn. You don't have
Speaker 1: to be scared, but you just got to tell me
Speaker 1: what happened. And Tanya's like, oh yeah, and you'll believe
Speaker 1: me and do something about it. Like she's rightfully so
Speaker 1: very skeptical and does not trust cops and lives like,
Speaker 1: yes I will. Will you trust me, and then you
Speaker 1: know twenty five seasons of television don't lie. Of course,
Speaker 1: Tanya trusts Benson and starts talking. At first, he was
Speaker 1: so nice, she said, he got me upstairs, he got
Speaker 1: me cleaned up. Then I remember him opening his zipper.
Speaker 1: She tried to fight him off, he held her down.
Speaker 1: He came back twice that night. The next day when
Speaker 1: she went to the precinct, she spoke to Groves. He
Speaker 1: took her to his lieutenant, and that night West showed
Speaker 1: up angry and said she was a drunk slut and
Speaker 1: that she should keep her mouth shut. She knew the
Speaker 1: lieutenant was bad like she. I guess got the sense
Speaker 1: of of that. But Groves, she thought was a good
Speaker 1: guy and lives like he was.
Speaker 3: Girl.
Speaker 1: So I think this is shocking on this part too,
Speaker 1: because I thought this was a reveal. I didn't know
Speaker 1: the lieutenant was in on this shit like I didn't.
Speaker 1: I thought the lieutenant was a good guy until just now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the point of the show. I
Speaker 2: don't know's that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the girl is saying, Tanya's going I knew
Speaker 1: the lieutenant seemed like a bad guy, like there was
Speaker 1: she didn't get a good.
Speaker 3: Feeling from the lieutenant.
Speaker 1: But she did get a good feeling from Growth, so
Speaker 1: I just that's sort of like a reveal to me.
Speaker 1: But in the cement bars room, now Amanda's talking to
Speaker 1: Wes and he's like, it's entrapment, like you set me up.
Speaker 1: And they're like, Quinn's gonna turn on you, and he's like, nah,
Speaker 1: not Quinny, not my girl, Quinny. And now Amaro's talking
Speaker 1: to Quinn, being like, right now, this is all on you, girl.
Speaker 1: You made the nine one one call. You held the
Speaker 1: gun on Cassidy. She's like, no, I didn't, and Wes
Speaker 1: didn't hurt anybody. And she's really calm and like honestly
Speaker 1: cold blooded. She's really not stressed right now. And now
Speaker 1: Benson walks in, we got the big dog, like, you know, Amaro,
Speaker 1: why don't you just take a little seat in the corner.
Speaker 1: And she's like, so, what's up. You guys have a
Speaker 1: thing and she's like, no, he's married with kids, and
Speaker 1: Benson goes, so you banged a few times, and now
Speaker 1: you're trying to prove that you're cool with him doing
Speaker 1: other chicks. Quinn stone walls again and lives like okay, girl,
Speaker 1: let's get deep, let's cut. She goes, when was your
Speaker 1: last boyfriend? When was your last date? Even, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you got to be forty maybe more, wondering if you'll
Speaker 1: ever have a family or if writing around with him
Speaker 1: for the next ten years will be enough. Stabler coded no, yes,
Speaker 1: very So Quinn goes, he looked out for me, and
Speaker 1: Tomorrow goes how and goes, it's off the record. So
Speaker 1: she immediately like spills, I guess off the record is
Speaker 1: bond and she goes, my first year on the forest,
Speaker 1: I was using.
Speaker 3: A little coke.
Speaker 1: She's like, what a little coke? A little bump here
Speaker 1: in there. I got hit with a random drug test.
Speaker 1: He gave me his urine and like bailed my ass out.
Speaker 1: So then lives like, you think that means he loves you.
Speaker 1: He was holding that against you, He knew you felt
Speaker 1: that way about him, and he was using that too.
Speaker 1: You can really see this woman like grasping for the
Speaker 1: truth in real time. She's like, wait, what, Like I
Speaker 1: thought he just helped me out of a jam and
Speaker 1: that we slowly grew to love each other, Like he's
Speaker 1: honestly been holding the shit over your head and using
Speaker 1: your crush as a weapon. What did you think he
Speaker 1: was going to leave his wife and kid for you?
Speaker 1: Benson said, a cokehead. She is going fucking deep. So
Speaker 1: you spent the last five years sitting in that car
Speaker 1: hoping that one day he'd look over at you and
Speaker 1: realized that you were the woman he couldn't live without.
Speaker 1: And I bet this shit is making the fucking Bensler
Speaker 1: people absolutely go nuts.
Speaker 3: When they're watching this. Well, she's just humiliating this woman.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's evistraating her. But don't you think she's
Speaker 1: also getting a little bit of shit off her own
Speaker 1: chest at the same time. These are internal affairs of
Speaker 1: the heart. Then Amaro goes, oh, what was it Wes
Speaker 1: said about you? Girls like Quinny, You throw them a
Speaker 1: couple of crumbs. They're so grateful they'll do anything. She
Speaker 1: doesn't believe he said that, but lives like he said that,
Speaker 1: And he said, worse, it's over. It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It was never gonna happen. She's literally giving her that
Speaker 1: he's just not that into you talk. You would give
Speaker 1: to like a best friend, but she's like ruining this
Speaker 1: woman's life. And liv goes I'm sorry, and then Quinn
Speaker 1: realizes like she's fucked, and there's a knock and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: that's probably your PBA rep CEA.
Speaker 3: We gave you a.
Speaker 1: Chance, and she goes, actually I don't need him. She's
Speaker 1: ready to spill. So jess, you know, she says it
Speaker 1: wasn't only West, it was a lot of drunk girls,
Speaker 1: a lot of long nights. Guys were either into that,
Speaker 1: into coke or on the take or all three. So
Speaker 1: get me a pat and a pen. And she's really
Speaker 1: willing to like give it all up. I mean hopefully
Speaker 1: it's like wait for a deal, like at least get immunity,
Speaker 1: Like you're not gonna go to jail for like aiding
Speaker 1: in a bedding a million rapes, because you're gonna give
Speaker 1: You're gonna name all the guys.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: She's just like, give me the pen. I'm writing it down.
Speaker 1: So this is the big reveal. How did you know
Speaker 1: Cassidy was undercover? Live, asks her, and she goes, I
Speaker 1: got a call mid tour from my lieutenant, So fuck
Speaker 1: I wrote the tree is rotten from the trunk. And
Speaker 1: then Tucker is watching and goes, bingo, that's what I
Speaker 1: was waiting for. But Cassie is like, how the fuck
Speaker 1: did the lieutenant know that I was undercover? And Tucker goes, cause,
Speaker 1: I told him the whole house was dirty, extortion, kickbacks.
Speaker 1: I had to know if the fish stank from the
Speaker 1: head down. Craigan is pissed. He's like, you leaked it.
Speaker 1: Cassidy could have gotten killed. He's like, but he didn't.
Speaker 1: It worked, But now he's like He's like, it's just
Speaker 1: her word. And Groves is against the precinct, but it's
Speaker 1: a start. So it's at this moment that Cassidy decides
Speaker 1: to offer up the fucking safety deposit box key. I
Speaker 1: have no idea why he didn't introduce this earlier, but
Speaker 1: apparently it was an insurance policy to get Groves out
Speaker 1: of Bellevue. Like, if you get Groves out of Bellevue,
Speaker 1: I'll direct you to the safety deposit box. So Tucker
Speaker 1: has the same question as me. He's like, you had
Speaker 1: this the whole fucking time. I thought you wanted your
Speaker 1: shield back, and Cassidy goes, yeah, that's why I'm giving
Speaker 1: it to you now. But it's like they could have
Speaker 1: just saved a lot of time if they had just
Speaker 1: gone right to the box because the box would have
Speaker 1: had the information about like who the cops were, what happened.
Speaker 1: So then Cassidy goes, we done here. Tucker kind of
Speaker 1: like smacks the Tucker on the arm and then he
Speaker 1: goes get me Groves release. So Cassidy lee and Tucker
Speaker 1: says to Craigan, you tell your boy he better toe
Speaker 1: the line if he wants back in, And Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: maybe he has to, but I don't you set my
Speaker 1: people up to get killed to make your case. Get
Speaker 1: the hell out of my office. And I love Daddie
Speaker 1: Craigan when he's angry. It's really fun protecting his squad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't fuck with his squad, No way, no day.
Speaker 1: So Tucker leaves and says nice work to live on
Speaker 1: the way out, and she's like She goes into Craigan
Speaker 1: and goes, did you just throw tuck her out? That's
Speaker 1: not politic? And Craigan's like, well, fuck that guy. What's
Speaker 1: he gonna do? Throw me out? I hit my mandatory
Speaker 1: in six months anyway, and lives like, oh, stop it,
Speaker 1: and Craigan's like, Olivia, it's the truth, Like you gotta
Speaker 1: come to grips you know, you do have to retire
Speaker 1: when they tell you have to retire, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you. This is sad news Munch
Speaker 1: put in his papers. Olivia cannot believe it. She is
Speaker 1: shook and Craigan goes, yeah, the mecha carter case hit
Speaker 1: him pretty hard and that was the Simple Shepherd episode
Speaker 1: American tragedy. So she's about to cry. Craigan goes, nothing
Speaker 1: changes except what has to. So that's a kind of
Speaker 1: a nice line. Nothing chases except what happens to, Like
Speaker 1: everything does change, but because that has to, you know.
Speaker 1: So next Cassidy shows up at Bellevue to get Groves
Speaker 1: out of there.
Speaker 3: Groves can't believe it. He's like, is this a trick?
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine the trauma of being hospitalized
Speaker 1: and put under a cycle of value, like a cycled
Speaker 1: when there's absolutely nothing wrong with you. Like that's so traumatizing.
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, man, you're a hero. And the
Speaker 1: guy can't believe it. He's like, let me take you home.
Speaker 1: He's like to the Rockaways, It's like they end talking
Speaker 1: about traffic the way they began talking about traffic. So
Speaker 1: at the end we got Benson and Cassidy snuggling on
Speaker 1: the couch. Benson asks, do you think Tucker's going to
Speaker 1: keep your word about giving you your shield? And Cassidy's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then he's like, hey, can we
Speaker 1: talk about the escort thing?
Speaker 3: Like you believe me?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: When I was getting my dick sucked, I did not
Speaker 1: like it. And then she's like, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: Has anyone ever told you to just shut your fucking
Speaker 1: mouth and not talk? And he goes everyone all the time.
Speaker 1: Then they have a little smooch and that's dick wolf Baby.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. There's a real story, but I don't
Speaker 1: know it. So I'm excited for you to tell it
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, I am too. I am too. So thank
Speaker 2: you for that episode. And you really did that Benson
Speaker 2: takedown incredibly. Okay, so I'm going to talk about the
Speaker 2: Adrian Schoolcraft scandal for all of this a New York
Speaker 2: crime broken by the Village Voice.
Speaker 3: How exciting is that?
Speaker 4: Ooh?
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: But the other suggestion on the crime in like the
Speaker 2: document was rape cop scandal And I guess how many
Speaker 2: Google hits that hat?
Speaker 3: There's not one?
Speaker 1: Okay, You're like, do I have to narrow it down
Speaker 1: by state?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it was so many rape cop scandals, so
Speaker 2: like I don't know which one they meant, so I'm
Speaker 2: not covering that. So yeah, Adrian's Schoolcraft. What a cool
Speaker 2: last name. So he this guy Adrian, he was an
Speaker 2: NYPD cop. Background on him. He's a registered Republican born
Speaker 2: in Texas. He's the son of a Dallas cop and
Speaker 2: a bank official.
Speaker 3: He joined the US Navy.
Speaker 2: He was on active duty in Japan as basically a paramedic,
Speaker 2: and he left with an honorable discharge. But like, I
Speaker 2: wonder what he was doing in Japan in the eighties,
Speaker 2: Like I don't, I don't get it, but I don't
Speaker 2: know history.
Speaker 1: What years was it?
Speaker 3: This is in the two thousands. There are tons of
Speaker 3: military bases in Japan. It said active duty.
Speaker 2: There was like and I was a paradi there was
Speaker 2: eyeballs as something exploded, I would have I had just
Speaker 2: sew him up. And it's like in Japan and in
Speaker 2: Japan eighties nineties, I don't do I not know history.
Speaker 2: I don't know, well, I know I don't know history,
Speaker 2: but I really don't know this. So I whatever, But
Speaker 2: and then he came back after his honorable discs charge
Speaker 2: random jobs, some Walmart, some Motorola. He ended up going
Speaker 2: to take care of his mother and upstate New York
Speaker 2: where his parents retired. She got cancer and so he
Speaker 2: went up there, and while taking care of his mother
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, then happened and he got inspired, and
Speaker 2: then the mom really wanted him to be a cop,
Speaker 2: so to honor her wishes and the motivation after the
Speaker 2: terrorist attacks, he decided to become a cop. So in
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, he's a rookie. He starts working
Speaker 2: and then eventually he becomes an NYPD officer at the
Speaker 2: eighty first Precinct in Brooklyn, and he ended up secretly
Speaker 2: recording police conversations from two thousand and eight to two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, and then brought the tapes to the
Speaker 2: NYPD like investigators in October of two thousand and nine
Speaker 2: as evidence of corruption.
Speaker 3: Wildly.
Speaker 2: You know who else was at the eighty first Precinct
Speaker 2: before was famed whistleblower Frank Serpico. Oh, he spent a
Speaker 2: few years of his career there. Now I only know
Speaker 2: about it because there's a movie. I bet DeNiro's in it.
Speaker 2: I don't actually know who this guy is. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I guess he whistleblowed in the Cops and works in
Speaker 2: the same precinct, so I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: I always think about that name too, because the actor
Speaker 1: who plays Olivia's current boss is Terry Cerproco. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was like, that is not like a famous cop.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know he was a big whistleblower. So
Speaker 1: maybe that'll be another case we cover or something. But
Speaker 1: personally I did not even google the name. I went,
Speaker 1: that's a movie and kept capt movie.
Speaker 2: But I did find it important enough to include and
Speaker 2: continue talking about. Okay, so he was known in the
Speaker 2: precinct for so this guy, not Curproco. This Adrian school
Speaker 2: Crafts was known in the precinct for rescuing more than
Speaker 2: a dozen abandoned pets.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, he saved dogs that were starving
Speaker 3: and bleeding and stuff.
Speaker 2: But he had issues with how things were running in
Speaker 2: the department and how shit was going down at the precinct,
Speaker 2: and he started raising concerns. At first, it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: safety issues, Like he really had a big issue that
Speaker 2: cops worked twenty hour shifts day after day.
Speaker 3: It's insane. You know it's not safe.
Speaker 2: So he started carrying a digital recorder to initially record
Speaker 2: street encounters, like just to be safe.
Speaker 3: But in two thousand and six.
Speaker 2: Steve Morilo arrived as captain and then later became a commander,
Speaker 2: and he was all about numbers, and like numbers only,
Speaker 2: clashed with Adrian's philosophy of policing. Quoted in The Village Voice,
Speaker 2: Schoolcraft believes in a community model of policing, and he said,
Speaker 2: you pull someone over for a seatbelt violation and they
Speaker 2: have their idea, all their papers, you don't need to
Speaker 2: give them a ticket, just warn and admonish. You don't
Speaker 2: need to hammer the regular people. He hated the NYPD's
Speaker 2: obsession with stats, and so that drove a wedge between
Speaker 2: you know, the community and the police officers, which I
Speaker 2: agree with. But his superiors began questioning his dedication because
Speaker 2: of the numbers or like, you're not working with the
Speaker 2: numbers program, you're not dedicated. So January thirteenth, two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, he met with Lieutenant Raphi Muscle, who told
Speaker 2: him to pick it up or his shift would be changed.
Speaker 2: So January twenty nine, two thousand and nine, he got
Speaker 2: a poor work evaluation, which he appealed, and then the
Speaker 2: day after a flyer appeared on his locker that said,
Speaker 2: if you don't like your job, maybe you should get
Speaker 2: another job. So then Schoolcraft kept chill about the note.
Speaker 2: He kept quiet until the next meeting with Maskole on
Speaker 2: February twentieth, and he secretly taped this meeting. In it,
Speaker 2: this clown talked about numbers, writing systems, how most cops
Speaker 2: do the bare minimum, just everything we kind of know,
Speaker 2: but he got it on camera and basically school Craft
Speaker 2: started getting written up for bullshit stuff, unnecessary conversation. One
Speaker 2: time he left his post to go to the bathroom
Speaker 2: and he was written up for leaving his post.
Speaker 3: They just started like nitpicking him.
Speaker 2: So then he was put on performance monitoring for not
Speaker 2: hitting his numbers, and they threatened again to transfer him,
Speaker 2: and he's like, listen, I'm gonna work harder, but I
Speaker 2: will not be right.
Speaker 3: Fake Summons is like, that's not what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: And then a little birdie cop, a little friend whispers
Speaker 2: to him that they're trying to look for a way
Speaker 2: to force him out on psychiatric grounds, so like he better,
Speaker 2: you know, watch out. So now it's April April third,
Speaker 2: Adrian was having chest pains.
Speaker 3: He didn't feel good.
Speaker 2: He was sent to an NYPD doctor and he was
Speaker 2: complaining there, and then he complained to the department psychologists.
Speaker 2: And it's like, stop complaining to people at work, Like
Speaker 2: this is the thing, Like he did do good things,
Speaker 2: like iaby is good. Cops should not be breaking roles.
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out more about what the priescinct did.
Speaker 2: But like so it's like you are dumb. You seem dumb.
Speaker 2: You seem like an idiot. You don't understand what professionalism.
Speaker 2: And I've done this, but I'm also a comedian, so
Speaker 2: it's like I can fight with people. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: as much. Like I don't know, it just seems like
Speaker 2: you're dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also if you're just venting, vent to like
Speaker 1: a friend outside of work, this is just gonna get
Speaker 1: you in more.
Speaker 2: PA. He clearly doesn't have friends. And so because of
Speaker 2: all of this and everything that happened, and like the
Speaker 2: psyche and all the shit he talked, they took away
Speaker 2: his guns and his shield and they put him on
Speaker 2: desk duty to protect him, they said in quotes. So
Speaker 2: cut to June where he gets the idea to write
Speaker 2: a patrolman's report to the commissioner. He got this idea
Speaker 2: from a book about NYPD corruption in the early nineteen seventies,
Speaker 2: and it's a book called Target Blue. He's like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to document everything. I'm going to tape everything, transcripts
Speaker 2: everything with backup, and then I'm going to send it
Speaker 2: to the commissioner. Ray Kelly and his father got involved, okay, Daddy.
Speaker 2: So Schoolcraft's daddy contacted a retired detective Lieutenant David Dirk,
Speaker 2: who was the one who worked with Frank Serpico's report
Speaker 2: on corruption in the NYPD. He asked Dirk for advice,
Speaker 2: and in August finally the advice was record everything and
Speaker 2: build a case without audio or video. The statement wouldn't
Speaker 2: mean anything, But the thing is, the dude was already
Speaker 2: doing all that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like, the dude was on top of it.
Speaker 2: So Dirk also promised to call the captain at Eternal
Speaker 2: Affairs named Brandon del Pozzo, and so two days later,
Speaker 2: August twentieth, Schoolcraft finally reported to IAB. He said that
Speaker 2: two supervisors at the eighty first Precinct entered a locked
Speaker 2: file room and removed records of civilian complaints from the
Speaker 2: personal file of one of the supervisors. So right after
Speaker 2: that was submitted, the Lieutenant Timothy Coffee posted a memo
Speaker 2: at the precinct that said, all IAB inquiries should be
Speaker 2: brought to me first.
Speaker 3: Lol.
Speaker 2: Nothing happened though, until Dirt called del Pozo, and that's
Speaker 2: what made.
Speaker 3: The department react.
Speaker 2: I guess I find it funny that del Pozo like call,
Speaker 2: Like dirt calling is what got everything in notice. Not
Speaker 2: two years of recording precinct roll call, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like, there was just so much evidence and
Speaker 2: it's while that they needed, you know, an old guy
Speaker 2: to come in to finally take it serious.
Speaker 3: But Schoolcraft was very diligent.
Speaker 2: There's two years of recordings, so every single precinct role call.
Speaker 2: What's embarrassing to me is over two years of recordings,
Speaker 2: not one cop noticed, Like, not one cop realized what
Speaker 2: was happening. So there was a hundred and seventeen roll
Speaker 2: calls recorded. He was also recording like his superiors. He
Speaker 2: also showed the manipulation of crime reports and the proof
Speaker 2: of using a quota system, the culture of retaliation against whistleblowers,
Speaker 2: which dues.
Speaker 3: This is what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: He also began recording stuff after he was accused of loafing,
Speaker 2: which is something you new. I guess when you loaf around,
Speaker 2: you're lazy, because he was not meeting goals for arrests
Speaker 2: and summonses, and so his allegations at that Bedstye Precinct
Speaker 2: led to internal charges against some of the officers involved,
Speaker 2: which also included the former commander of the precinct, Deputy
Speaker 2: Inspector Steve Murriello. He was charged with failing to record
Speaker 2: a grand larceny complaint and with impeding the department's investigation.
Speaker 2: After the inquiry, he was made though he was just
Speaker 2: moved to the Bronx to work in transit.
Speaker 3: He was not punished at all.
Speaker 2: He also in the Times in the New York Times
Speaker 2: as a quote the Steve Mariello guy that at a
Speaker 2: meeting warning the precinct leaders, he wrote, rats coming out
Speaker 2: of here wearing tape recorders and.
Speaker 3: That image I just kind of enjoyed.
Speaker 2: So also four officers faced internal charges because of the tape,
Speaker 2: two sergeants and two patrol officers, and failure to file
Speaker 2: a robbery complaint, all charges. The AP reported stemmed from
Speaker 2: the allegations made by school Craft.
Speaker 3: So Edward D.
Speaker 2: Mullins, president of the Sergeant's Union, is quoted in The
Speaker 2: Times in a nutshell, this is bogus. They all the
Speaker 2: quotes from the other cops and sergeants are really funny throughout. So,
Speaker 2: like cops and precincts are always trying to deny the
Speaker 2: existence of like quotas and New Yorkers, and I think
Speaker 2: most Americans know that that's not true, and they keep
Speaker 2: denying like, oh, this is bogus, this isn't real. But
Speaker 2: like truly, every single recording and paper there's like evidence
Speaker 2: of the quotas, you know what I mean, Like the
Speaker 2: evidence is their babes, it's recorded. How are you saying
Speaker 2: it's bogus? It's I hate everyone because this would be
Speaker 2: enough evidence to arrest other people outside of the precincts,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, like in Zootopia, by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a wonderful critique on policing.
Speaker 3: It's all about quotas.
Speaker 1: They just want they want Judy Hops to give out
Speaker 1: one hundred tickets and she goes, I'm gonna do two hundred,
Speaker 1: and she does that. I mean, they're parking tickets but
Speaker 1: still so.
Speaker 3: On the tape.
Speaker 2: In this evidence, the police captain Alex Perez is heard
Speaker 2: warning his top commanders that their officers must start writing
Speaker 2: more summonses or there would be consequences. Perez offered a
Speaker 2: precise number and suggested a method. He basically would switch
Speaker 2: your shift and fuck up your life. So on one
Speaker 2: of the tapes that was released, according to The New
Speaker 2: York Times, this Perez guy on the tape says, I
Speaker 2: don't care about people's families.
Speaker 4: Don't.
Speaker 2: If they don't want to do their job, they're going
Speaker 2: to start being productive if they want a tour that
Speaker 2: works for their family.
Speaker 3: So that's basically a thing.
Speaker 2: If you didn't get the numbers, they would put you
Speaker 2: on midnight or like stuff like that. Officers on a
Speaker 2: particular shift need to write as a group.
Speaker 3: Twenty summons is a week.
Speaker 2: He suggests to doing five each for double parking, parking
Speaker 2: at a bus stop, driving without a seatbelt, and driving
Speaker 2: while using a cell phone. And there's another direct quote
Speaker 2: from the tape and it says, you as bosses, have
Speaker 2: to demand this and have to count it. I really
Speaker 2: don't have a problem firing people. And this is what
Speaker 2: they called bogus. This is bogus evidence like the bed
Speaker 2: Siam Brownsville residents are like, fuck you. This directly results
Speaker 2: in the pattern of harassment we all experience, like the
Speaker 2: people fucking know it. And also enforcing quotas I guess
Speaker 2: is a violation of state labor laws. So even more
Speaker 2: issues and then Schoolcraft Besides, the tapes also had tons
Speaker 2: of reports. So one summer day in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: a woman walked in after her card been stolen.
Speaker 3: She tried to file a report for over.
Speaker 2: Two days, talked to five different officers, came in to
Speaker 2: talk to the lieutenant, who promised he would be there
Speaker 2: but wasn't.
Speaker 3: And so then Adrian heard her story.
Speaker 2: He wrote it all out and basically he bundled it
Speaker 2: with a button like dozens of other cases from crime
Speaker 2: victims who were quote trapped in a bureaucratic hamster wheels
Speaker 2: that seemed to have purposely been set up to make
Speaker 2: it hard to report serious crimes. And that's a quote
Speaker 2: from the New York Times. He was convinced it was
Speaker 2: a pattern. So on October seventh, two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: he meets with investigators and tells them about the woman
Speaker 2: with the car and others and how their cases would
Speaker 2: disappear from stats or be moved down to mystimeters. So
Speaker 2: there was a Chinese food delivery person who was beaten
Speaker 2: and robbed, a cab driver held up at gunpoint, a
Speaker 2: man beaten and robbed of his wallet and phone, and
Speaker 2: the eighty first Precinct classified them all as lost property.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, so the evidence.
Speaker 2: Found and showed a deliberate underreporting of crime. He sat
Speaker 2: for three hours with the inspector, a lieutenant, and three
Speaker 2: sergeants with the Quality Assistance Division. On October twenty seventh,
Speaker 2: a Brooklyn North sergeant told Schoolcraft that he was on
Speaker 2: quote forced monitoring. On October thirty first, two thousand and nine, Halloween. Obviously,
Speaker 2: his memo book was confiscated and then Coffee took it
Speaker 2: away for three hours, locked himself in an office with
Speaker 2: a copy machine, copied it all and then came out,
Speaker 2: gave the memo book back and called Schoolcraft Sergeant rashena
Speaker 2: huffman to his office. School Craft to the village voice,
Speaker 2: said that she came out and she was just cold
Speaker 2: as ice, and then his civil rights were definitely violated.
Speaker 2: He ended up getting arrested and kept for six days
Speaker 2: at a psychiatric ward at Jamaica Hospital Medical Center because
Speaker 2: of all that this, Oh my god, he was also
Speaker 2: suspended without pay that day on the Halloween after this arrest.
Speaker 2: Yet cops who truly murder unarmed children and like Breonna
Speaker 2: Taylor in her own fucking house got.
Speaker 3: Paid, still get paid.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Ah, but this guy got suspended without pay. I mean
Speaker 2: that's what's so difficult, all of this. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna say it's just a few bad apples,
Speaker 2: then you can't treat the good ones like this right,
Speaker 2: like it is just such proof that it is systemic
Speaker 2: and it's all of them, because good cops would be rewarded. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but also this guy does seem dumb. And like I've
Speaker 2: talked about this before. When I was a younger comedian,
Speaker 2: my day job was like pretending to be Wendy Marino,
Speaker 2: who is sexually assaulted at work her ups job. Yes,
Speaker 2: and like law students would practice on me on how
Speaker 2: to be good lawyers. And my case of this woman Wendy,
Speaker 2: like she was assaulted at work, she was being harassed.
Speaker 2: She did have a superior, but she also did punch
Speaker 2: another employee in the head, and she also was bad
Speaker 2: at her job and so not everyone's perfect.
Speaker 3: Like I think this guy.
Speaker 2: Did really good things and like did all this evidence
Speaker 2: and really wanted to be a good police officer who
Speaker 2: wasn't about the numbers. But I do think, like I
Speaker 2: don't trust him when he's like I wasn't feeling good
Speaker 2: so I left work early.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's just these like moments where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like you.
Speaker 3: Are still a cop.
Speaker 2: And I was gonna say this for later, but he
Speaker 2: did say the end word on a bunch of these
Speaker 2: tapes and they were kept in court.
Speaker 1: Oh school crafted, yeah.
Speaker 2: And he tried, like his lawyer tried to get them out,
Speaker 2: but the judge would allow it. And so like in
Speaker 2: the tapes, he is also being like, I don't want
Speaker 2: to work with all these n words.
Speaker 3: Move them over.
Speaker 2: So it is just like they are also cops. Like
Speaker 2: he did do all these good things, I believe, but
Speaker 2: like he is still a cop Republican who was in
Speaker 2: the military, you know, Like I don't know, I doubt
Speaker 2: we would get along. But it is really fucked up.
Speaker 2: What happened to him, and he did do a lot
Speaker 2: of things. He put a lot on the line and
Speaker 2: like whatever. So the arrest in hospitalization were ordered by
Speaker 2: his bosses because of his disclosures. Yet it says he
Speaker 2: left were a workshift on that Halloween two thousand and
Speaker 2: nine without permission and failed to return, and that is
Speaker 2: why he was suspended without pay. He says that he
Speaker 2: had gone home sick from work and received permission from
Speaker 2: the sergeant to leave an hour before the end of
Speaker 2: his shift.
Speaker 3: And I also, like, I hated doing.
Speaker 2: This research because I hate knowing like deputy chief, Deputy chief, lieutenant, captain,
Speaker 2: shut up, you're all losers, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I hate that I have to like learn all this
Speaker 2: so and they're all really hard words to spell too.
Speaker 2: He also felt like coffee was menacing him and he
Speaker 2: just was not feeling good, you know. He like his
Speaker 2: bosses were all mad at him, the energy, you know,
Speaker 2: with the IAB. So he called IAB around four thirty
Speaker 2: pm to report coffee and like how he was being
Speaker 2: treated and the photocopying of his memo book, and like
Speaker 2: his direct superior being weird to him. He just wasn't
Speaker 2: loving it. He didn't feel good, he was sick to
Speaker 2: his stomach, his heart was read. He just wanted to
Speaker 2: go home, and he said he got permission. So when
Speaker 2: he got home, he swigged some night quill and settled
Speaker 2: down for a nap.
Speaker 3: Then around six six thirty.
Speaker 2: Different papers have different reports, but who cares, it's like
Speaker 2: a half hour difference. His dad called him about the
Speaker 2: cop lights outside of his place, but he thought that
Speaker 2: was strange because no one had knocked or buzzed into
Speaker 2: his home, but he did see all the lights. He
Speaker 2: checked his phone and there was messages from Sergeant Huffman
Speaker 2: and it was her saying she denied his sick approval.
Speaker 2: She did not approve his time off and he needs
Speaker 2: to return back to the station immediately.
Speaker 3: And she never said he can go home sick.
Speaker 2: But they kept trying to get into his apartment for
Speaker 2: three hours, and he wouldn't let them in. He like
Speaker 2: wouldn't open the door, and he wouldn't help anybody. So
Speaker 2: but then they started coming up the stairs. It was
Speaker 2: a group of officers and they went into his bedroom.
Speaker 2: They forcibly took him from his home in Queen's by
Speaker 2: all senior police officials and then was delivered to like
Speaker 2: a hospital psychiatric word and he fucking recorded it, dude,
Speaker 2: He recorded it.
Speaker 3: Of course he did.
Speaker 2: Because he had time, right so, like, because they he
Speaker 2: wouldn't let them in and they were out there, but
Speaker 2: they couldn't get into the apartment.
Speaker 3: You know, there was just like a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: So during the raid, a senior official did confiscate his
Speaker 2: audio recorder that was on him, but he had a
Speaker 2: secret backup that was recording on a shelf. And one
Speaker 2: of the quotes on the recording, another funny thing is
Speaker 2: him going.
Speaker 3: What is this Russia? And I like that?
Speaker 2: And so the cops the way they got in was
Speaker 2: ended up using the landlord's key, but they lied to
Speaker 2: the landlord. They said that Schoolcraft was suicidal, you know, lie,
Speaker 2: and so that's why the landlord gave in, but he
Speaker 2: wouldn't have had Also, all the videos are excerpts and
Speaker 2: if you want to hear them, they're in an episode
Speaker 2: of This American Life on this story. Also, the Village
Speaker 2: Voice had a series started by this called the NYPD Tapes,
Speaker 2: and the recordings were made public to show a pattern
Speaker 2: of how police act bad. They claimed that he barricaded
Speaker 2: himself in his home and was on the run from them,
Speaker 2: but the recording does not support that at all. He
Speaker 2: was thrown on the floor, handcuffed and dragged out. There
Speaker 2: were about a dozen NYPD supervisors there that were in
Speaker 2: the apartment. The paramatics came and his heart rate was
Speaker 2: super high, and he did agree to go to Forest
Speaker 2: Hill's hospital, but then when he was told he was
Speaker 2: being taken to Jamaica Queens, he said, no, I don't
Speaker 2: like that, and like every citizen, you could do an RMA,
Speaker 2: which is refusal for medical attention, and you have the
Speaker 2: right to do that. So he rma'd himself on tape,
Speaker 2: we have that, and then on the tape we also
Speaker 2: at this point have the chief losing his temper, screaming, going,
Speaker 2: listen to me. They're gonna treat you like an EDP,
Speaker 2: which is an emotionally disturbed person. So now you have
Speaker 2: a choice. You get up like a man and put
Speaker 2: your shoes on and walk into that bus, or they're
Speaker 2: gonna treat you like an EDP, and that means handcuffs.
Speaker 2: Schoolcraft tells the chief that he is the one pushing
Speaker 2: this confrontation, like dude, this dude took niquil and went
Speaker 2: to bed, you know, like he is not the dresser
Speaker 2: here and he knows he's being taped. So then Marino
Speaker 2: then orders Schoolcraft to be put in cuffs. Says, I
Speaker 2: can't fucking stand him anymore, and then Marino then stepped
Speaker 2: on his face with a boot. School Craft was calm
Speaker 2: and in the hospital. Like all hospital reports site no
Speaker 2: significant psychiatric symptoms. The medical staff also said they were
Speaker 2: misled by the NYPD. The cops told Jamaica Queen's Hospitals
Speaker 2: doctor Kin Marwin that he left work early after cursing
Speaker 2: out a supervisor, that he barricaded himself in his home
Speaker 2: and that the door had to be broken in to
Speaker 2: get into None of that is true. So he was
Speaker 2: held for six days in a locked ward. He was
Speaker 2: handcuffed to a gurney, but he was not charged with
Speaker 2: a crime, no hearing, no judge, no charges, nothing, handcuffed
Speaker 2: to a gurney for six days in a locked ward.
Speaker 2: The decision to take him to the hospital was made
Speaker 2: solely by armed men who happened to be his superior
Speaker 2: officers who wanted to shut him up. This also was
Speaker 2: immediately after he talked to IAB He was also charged
Speaker 2: seven thousand dollars for his stay and then eighty six
Speaker 2: dollars to obtain his own medical records, which is an
Speaker 2: lol amount of money to report and be in the paper.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: The Village Voices piece came out on June fifteenth, twenty ten,
Speaker 2: and in it it says the NYPD found in their
Speaker 2: budget to also send officers to his Upstate home to
Speaker 2: bang on his door and harass him. So the dates
Speaker 2: are like December second, third, seventh, eleventh, thirteenth, January twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 2: twenty one, thirty one February three twelve, like they kept
Speaker 2: harassing him throughout and banging on his and he was
Speaker 2: getting no paychecks, so then he called Crime Victims hotline
Speaker 2: to obtain some financial relief, but it was rejected because
Speaker 2: he had no complaint number for the Halloween incident because
Speaker 2: he was never charged, there was no hearing, there was nothing,
Speaker 2: so he was illegally just like taken put into psych
Speaker 2: hold with absolutely no charges. He couldn't get victim services
Speaker 2: because the case didn't exist. The cops kept harassing him
Speaker 2: for months on end afterwards, so in March twenty ten,
Speaker 2: he finally decided to go public and handed over the
Speaker 2: tapes to the Village Voice, which eventually led to that series.
Speaker 2: The New York Times reported in twenty fifteen that he
Speaker 2: did settle with the city over his arrest and forced
Speaker 2: hospitalization for six hundred thousand dollars that taxpayers pay.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I mean, this is my you know.
Speaker 2: I believe in free lunch for all children in all schools,
Speaker 2: breakfast lunch groceries to take home on the weekends, like
Speaker 2: kids should be fed.
Speaker 3: I think my second thing that I.
Speaker 2: Believe so hard in is cops need to pay for
Speaker 2: their own legal services, and if they get found guilty
Speaker 2: of stuff, it needs to come out of their pension.
Speaker 2: I bet they would start acting correct if they had
Speaker 2: to fucking pay for it. And I saw on TikTok
Speaker 2: there was like, I don't know who this was, but
Speaker 2: a black person was telling other black people to get
Speaker 2: life insurance policies and how important it is because if
Speaker 2: police do God forbid, something happens to you because of police.
Speaker 3: You know who tries to get their money.
Speaker 2: Insurance companies, and that insurance will go after cops. I
Speaker 2: think I've talked about this on this Yeah podcast before,
Speaker 2: but It's just like, thinking about all this money that
Speaker 2: is spent because cops get sued and that we pay
Speaker 2: for it is infuriating. Yeah yeah, okay, So six hundred
Speaker 2: grand he got. He also I'm very happy about got
Speaker 2: back pay and benefits starting from October two thousand and
Speaker 2: nine through the end of twenty fifteen. So that's pretty
Speaker 2: fucking awesome. But we paid for it. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not a New York say I'm gonna get a New
Speaker 2: York id.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: Also, the end we'd thing I was talking about was
Speaker 2: from the New York Post. I did not see it
Speaker 2: anywhere else, but it was in the Post. So you know,
Speaker 2: take with that what you want. But I'm also not like, no,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I can't believe it. So
Speaker 2: the city's law department, in a statement, said the settlement
Speaker 2: should not be construed as an admission that the city
Speaker 2: or any city employee engaged in wrongdoing. Okay. So Also,
Speaker 2: Mascol he's still active. He's had six complaints against him
Speaker 2: in seven allegations, zero substantiated, but he is still working
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn as Deputy Chief at Patrol Borough Brooklyn North.
Speaker 2: Timothy Coffee August twenty eleven is when he retired. He
Speaker 2: ended with six complaints, one hundred allegations, zero substantiated. Theodore
Speaker 2: Lauderborne Laterborne, former Captain of Narcotics in Staten Island Baby
Speaker 2: and ended his career in August twenty twenty three. He
Speaker 2: had some substantiated allegations. He was like using his club,
Speaker 2: not right clubbing people. He had another lawsuit outside of
Speaker 2: the six hundred thousand dollars one that had to be settled.
Speaker 2: I think it was like for thirty grand. So he
Speaker 2: has one on his record. Seven complaints, nine allegations, one substantiated,
Speaker 2: with charges.
Speaker 3: Retired in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Marino ended his career in twenty fourteen with twenty three complaints,
Speaker 2: forty one allegations, four substantiated, and those are for pushkicks,
Speaker 2: two of them push shoves and cursing Steven Mariello. He's
Speaker 2: still active. Let's visit his precinct when you come visit me.
Speaker 2: Since December twenty twenty three, he got a new job.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, as an inspector Transit Bureau, Manhattan. I'm sure
Speaker 2: this has to do with Eric Adams. I'm sure this
Speaker 2: has to do with all the fucking money going into
Speaker 2: transit police and all those systems and fucking people over
Speaker 2: and Eric.
Speaker 3: Adams is a fucking whatever.
Speaker 2: I just feel like this guy getting this job with
Speaker 2: him him in office as mayor is just too convenient,
Speaker 2: like something I just don't buy.
Speaker 3: What's this saying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Steve Morello, he had another small lawsuit out
Speaker 2: only one complaint, two allegations, so one substantiated obviously.
Speaker 1: Wow to a practically squeaky clean cop. Wow.
Speaker 2: So I mean what is cool about this case? Obviously
Speaker 2: the documents that were like fucked around, and like people's
Speaker 2: investigations with the robberies were fucked with.
Speaker 3: There are victims of this crime.
Speaker 2: He was traumatized, like being put into psych word and
Speaker 2: handcuffed obviously.
Speaker 3: But in terms of our podcasts.
Speaker 2: Easy crime, Yeah, children are safe, there's no sexual I
Speaker 2: mean this was a pretty easy breezy except spelling lieutenant
Speaker 2: and sergeant.
Speaker 3: This was like a nice yeah, a nice thing for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean these guys were just covering up like their
Speaker 1: literal comstat stuff like they were they were just covering
Speaker 1: up you know, robberies and like some violent crimes or whatever.
Speaker 3: But they weren't covering up client crimes that.
Speaker 1: They were they themselves committing as much as in the episode,
Speaker 1: which is probably just conflating other stories of there's plenty
Speaker 1: of cops that have committed like habitual sexual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's just one precinct with one guy with
Speaker 2: one set of people, you know, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at one time in history.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so much everywhere at all times, and.
Speaker 3: Like it's everything everywhere all at once, bad cops.
Speaker 2: And even though you're saying, like you know, it's like
Speaker 2: forging their police work, but it's like, you know, when
Speaker 2: things happen to people in the city or everywhere, it's
Speaker 2: like we'll go to the cops and it's like these
Speaker 2: people are and like thinking of like cab drivers and
Speaker 2: people at work and like older people just getting the
Speaker 2: ship beat out of them, and their case is not
Speaker 2: being taken seriously obviously, like sexual assault stuff. So it's
Speaker 2: like fuck the numbers, fuck funding, like fuck every like
Speaker 2: we will live in just the worst twitch. I can't,
Speaker 2: we can't, we can't do we have a guess, we
Speaker 2: have a great guess. I can't keep spiraling like a
Speaker 2: twenty year old who just took a sociology course. But
Speaker 2: it happens every day for me, like every day I'm
Speaker 2: like hit with the weight of the world, but also
Speaker 2: so much and then every week on this podcast, I
Speaker 2: feel like I do this and then I go. But
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for my life, you know. But also McNuggets
Speaker 2: are back, you know. So it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's tough, like you know, there are some joys, but
Speaker 1: we do have a great guest. Thank you for doing
Speaker 1: all that research. Let's get to our fun guests. Okay,
Speaker 1: our guest today, Lisa and I both clocked immediately on
Speaker 1: a cross country flight. I knew him immediately as Russ
Speaker 1: Langmore from Ozark on Netflix, but he has been in
Speaker 1: dramas and comedies alike. He's been on Curb Inside, Me, Schumer,
Speaker 1: The Sinner, Homeland talk about a Renaissance Man. He's also
Speaker 1: been on Lisa's favorite show, Manifest and a regular on
Speaker 1: the Stephen King show The Outsider, which I watched. But
Speaker 1: today you know him as Officer Michael Groves. Please enjoy
Speaker 1: our chat with the very talented Markman chaka Yay Mark.
Speaker 3: Well, this is a first for our podcast. Welcome.
Speaker 2: We did meet at Delta one, yes, and now we're here.
Speaker 2: Are you at the level of flying where when it's
Speaker 2: an old plane you're kind of pissed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was. I was a little bit pissed on that.
Speaker 4: One means yeah, it's a bummer when you get on
Speaker 4: the old planes. Yeah, it's like getting on South African
Speaker 4: airways in business and you're like, I went to South
Speaker 4: Africa two thousand and seven and it was the first
Speaker 4: time I'd ever flown up front.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my gosh, it's amazing.
Speaker 4: And then I went back in twenty eighteen for another
Speaker 4: job and I was like, I think this is the
Speaker 4: exact same plane that I flew down and back on.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it's going to make it.
Speaker 3: Wait, how many jobs are you doing in South Africa?
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 4: I've only done two.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought you both looked comfy in Delta one.
Speaker 1: I was back in coach on that same flight.
Speaker 2: Well, so Amy Miller was sitting that some mark and
Speaker 2: like being so chatty. And then later I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're so chatty and cool, like I don't really do that,
Speaker 2: and she goes, that was for you. She's like, I
Speaker 2: would never talk to anyone on a plane, and I go, wow,
Speaker 2: thank you, bless you. Amy, What is your plane routine?
Speaker 2: What are you watch? What are you?
Speaker 3: Are you just passing out? Kind of?
Speaker 4: I never remember to download anything until like right when
Speaker 4: I'm about to leave for the airport, so I usually don't.
Speaker 4: The reason I was a couple of minutes later was
Speaker 4: because I don't use my iPad that very much, and
Speaker 4: I had to install Gmail again to get to the
Speaker 4: zoom link. So I used to watch a movie and
Speaker 4: I've been I try to read, but that usually sends
Speaker 4: me to sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my new thing is a Nintendo Switch, and I
Speaker 2: play a Mario from my youth. So and the flights
Speaker 2: fly by I land sometimes I go, oh ready, it
Speaker 2: changes everything when Yoshi's around.
Speaker 4: I was never good at video games and they only
Speaker 4: made me mad.
Speaker 3: So neither was I.
Speaker 2: But now you're a grown up, I'm beating the games
Speaker 2: of my childhood.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 1: Well, Well, when I got on the airplane, I did
Speaker 1: recognize you from Ozark, which I loved your role so
Speaker 1: much on Ozark. But we'll talk about that later. But
Speaker 1: I knew you'd been on an SVU, so we looked
Speaker 1: you up. But I when I was rewatching the episode,
Speaker 1: I was like, I almost don't recognize him without his mustache.
Speaker 1: Don't you feel like your mustache is sort of like
Speaker 1: a signature thing.
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't like going without facial hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was what I was going to ask you,
Speaker 1: and s for.
Speaker 4: You made me. I was like, mustache would be great,
Speaker 4: and they're like, nah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wouldn't have really made a difference. I feel
Speaker 1: if you had had a mustache.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, they didn't want it.
Speaker 1: I will say it did make you look a little
Speaker 1: like more maybe like boyish and like innocent, like and
Speaker 1: just getting hauled away and tased and everything. Maybe that
Speaker 1: was like their vibes.
Speaker 3: They wanted people to feel bad for you.
Speaker 1: Like this young this poor little guy is just like
Speaker 1: moving getting hauled off.
Speaker 5: Possibly, so yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: I lose several years when I shaved. I had to
Speaker 4: do it for Jack Ryan last year, and I'd come
Speaker 4: from just having like a very very big beard. I
Speaker 4: did Ozark, and then I had to shave for Jack Ryan.
Speaker 4: I went back to Ozark, I had to put the
Speaker 4: fake beard on, and then I grew a full beard,
Speaker 4: like an Ozark beard for this film. And then Jack
Speaker 4: Ryan called and they were like, we need to do
Speaker 4: like three or.
Speaker 5: Four hours of reshoots.
Speaker 1: Oh no.
Speaker 4: I was also in Thailand, and I had to fly
Speaker 4: to Toronto to see my wife for like two days,
Speaker 4: and then I flew to Budapest to do Jack Ryan
Speaker 4: and I was I tried up until the last second.
Speaker 4: I was like, can we just shoot it from behind
Speaker 4: and you don't see my face? And they were like no, no.
Speaker 2: Cigar, does the bearded set get up mad? Or They're
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, we've got to do the fake beard.
Speaker 2: And that's that, Like how do you do it when
Speaker 2: you're like jumbling the jobs with all this hair.
Speaker 4: It's one of the most stressful things about the job.
Speaker 4: Ozark had a beard made in case I wasn't able
Speaker 4: to grow it out for when they brought me back
Speaker 4: second season. So they had a beard made and I
Speaker 4: never used it, and actually I did a Curb Your
Speaker 4: Enthusiasm and it was like a I think I shot
Speaker 4: in December and then they didn't shoot the rest until April,
Speaker 4: and so that was another one where I at the
Speaker 4: beginning of it, I had my real beard, and then
Speaker 4: I had to get Ozark to send the beard to
Speaker 4: Curb so I could use it in the very last bit.
Speaker 4: It stresses me out. I like pound bottles of biot
Speaker 4: in every day.
Speaker 1: I'm taking that right now too, because I had two
Speaker 1: children and they stole my hair away from me.
Speaker 3: Where do you guys shoot that?
Speaker 2: Is it la or do you go on location for
Speaker 2: Ozart outside of Atlanta?
Speaker 3: I love Atlanta. You're all over the place. That's cool,
Speaker 3: A good life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this last year was my wife is also an actress.
Speaker 4: We kind of, you know, with the strike, I kind
Speaker 4: of I worked on a show here and there. She
Speaker 4: was supposed to start a show in June, which obviously
Speaker 4: got pushed. So we kind of had most of last
Speaker 4: year just like hanging out, being together. And then I
Speaker 4: randomly got a job the other day and we were
Speaker 4: planning to go up state for you know, I have
Speaker 4: like a week together before I go. And then I literally,
Speaker 4: just like ten minutes ago, I got this email and
Speaker 4: they were like, we would like to fly you on
Speaker 4: the twelfth of February to Cologne. And I was like,
Speaker 4: it's stressed me out right for it. And I was like,
Speaker 4: I got a down, but I gotta get the Gmail
Speaker 4: back on.
Speaker 5: I can't be thinking about leaving on twelve.
Speaker 1: Where's Cologne, Germany?
Speaker 4: Germany? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I just thought cologne perfume. I cologne is a bliss.
Speaker 2: So you're married to an actress. Did you meet on set?
Speaker 4: No, we have the same manager.
Speaker 3: Ooh.
Speaker 4: I mean she's been with my manager for probably twenty
Speaker 4: five years. I've been with them for fifteen or sixteen years.
Speaker 4: And then I think she was I think she just
Speaker 4: kind of tracked us and was like, now's Now's not
Speaker 4: the time. And then a little over four years ago
Speaker 4: we were both in La for I was out there
Speaker 4: for the outside of premiere and she was out there
Speaker 4: working and she put us in touch, and she hates
Speaker 4: going to premieres, but she came anyways. Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: it was it was kind of a magic night.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's so cool.
Speaker 4: And then in two weeks and then a month, and
Speaker 4: then the pandemic hit and we were holed up and
Speaker 4: she went back to London. I went over to London
Speaker 4: right for everything shut down, and then we holed up
Speaker 4: in the countryside for five months or whatever.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's cool. Where are you guys, base? Like, where
Speaker 3: are you now? Are you in New York?
Speaker 4: We're in New York now? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wow cool?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we're going to get back to the SVU.
Speaker 1: But we talked to a lot of actors that are
Speaker 1: married to other actors, and we always asked like, do
Speaker 1: you guys help each other out with auditions or is
Speaker 1: that like a stay away from it, it's only going
Speaker 1: to cause problems kind of scenario.
Speaker 5: No, we always do it. I mean we have quite
Speaker 5: a laugh doing it.
Speaker 4: It's probably more takes than it should be because I
Speaker 4: mean she's an absolute goofball and she'll usually start doing
Speaker 4: something just to make me laugh during the takes and
Speaker 4: we get it done.
Speaker 3: I love to hear that this is good.
Speaker 2: We've talked to couples where it gets aggressive or they
Speaker 2: can't even do it because they fight so much. Oh
Speaker 2: really Oh and I've been a witness to it before too,
Speaker 2: where I was like helping someone with a tape and
Speaker 2: they were shocked by my kindness because their husband wouldn't
Speaker 2: let them do another take or something. I was like,
Speaker 2: why don't we do it again this way? And she
Speaker 2: was like, wait, we can do another one. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what's going on here?
Speaker 4: But the only time that happened was did you see
Speaker 4: that film Barbarian? Not?
Speaker 1: Yea, my husband did. My husband said it was awesome.
Speaker 3: I'm too scared.
Speaker 4: So good. So those guys it was their follow up
Speaker 4: to Barbarian and it was one scene, like seven page scene.
Speaker 4: It could possibly be a scene stealer of the film.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but they were making me read and
Speaker 4: I didn't really. I just kind of It's like me
Speaker 4: talking to someone who's speaking German and not. I'm kind
Speaker 4: of thinking I understand what they're saying, but I have
Speaker 4: no idea. And I did one take and she threw
Speaker 4: the pages out. She was like, I don't know why
Speaker 4: you're reading for this. She was like, they should just
Speaker 4: offer it to you. I'm not doing it anymore.
Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, we didn't get a fight it, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But that was to defender honor.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, then did you get it?
Speaker 4: I did? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh, she was right.
Speaker 1: I love to hear that she's a goofball, because you know,
Speaker 1: I think of her as Sirce Lanister and she seems mean.
Speaker 1: But I like hearing that in real life people are
Speaker 1: so different than their characters. That's what people say about
Speaker 1: like Mariushka Hargate from SVU, that she's a real goofball,
Speaker 1: even though that's not what you get from her and
Speaker 1: like what you know her as?
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess that's acting. I'm not really saying
Speaker 3: anything in name.
Speaker 5: She's one of the wittiest, funniest people. She's quick. She
Speaker 5: needs to do a comedy.
Speaker 1: I think people would love that. I think people would
Speaker 1: have really welcome that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess before we died fully into SVU.
Speaker 2: I'm a huge Miley Cyrus fan. You did do the
Speaker 2: Black Mirror? Do you have any scoop that maybe a
Speaker 2: fan would love to hear?
Speaker 4: I only met her one day. We chatted for a while.
Speaker 4: It was just like pretty chill before we chot. The
Speaker 4: funny thing that happened was she wrapped. It was her
Speaker 4: last day and I had to keep shooting, and I
Speaker 4: got back to the trailers and I'd hung out with
Speaker 4: her sister and her sister's friend, Valerie, so Brandy and Vale,
Speaker 4: I'd hung out with them during the week. But Miley
Speaker 4: came out of the makeup trailer and I was just
Speaker 4: walking back into the parking lot where the trailers were,
Speaker 4: and she saw me.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 4: It was so larious because I was like, I can't believe,
Speaker 4: like she's Miley's Tyrus and I was. I was very
Speaker 4: cool and restrained when we chatted, and uh, and she
Speaker 4: came running out of the trailer and she.
Speaker 5: Goes, oh my gosh, and she jumped literally like jumped
Speaker 5: legs around, arms around.
Speaker 4: Here's a dude from Ozark. I have no idea, And
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to. I think I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: I should be doing that to you. You're stars.
Speaker 2: Wow, you got a movie style jump hug from Miley.
Speaker 4: Yeah, movie star.
Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive. Yeah, that's the that's the story I
Speaker 1: wanted for sure. Thank you very much. Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: talk about this SPU episode you did. You're not a
Speaker 1: stranger to the Dick Wolf universe. You've done Criminal Intent, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you've done SVU and then recently you did organized
Speaker 1: Crime and so SVU. So when you did this, what
Speaker 1: was going on in your career? Were you like excited
Speaker 1: to get this? Like what how did it? I know
Speaker 1: it was like ten years ago, so whatever you can remember,
Speaker 1: or were you like finally what the well?
Speaker 5: I think it was SVU.
Speaker 4: I don't know how many times I auditioned for that,
Speaker 4: And you know, I would walk in see the same producers,
Speaker 4: usually a different director.
Speaker 5: It'd be like hey guys and be like, hey.
Speaker 3: You know, I want to guess the other parts you
Speaker 3: got close to.
Speaker 2: Did you go out for a military dude who like
Speaker 2: shoots his daughter's attacker, because I feel like that could
Speaker 2: have been you.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's very very possible.
Speaker 3: You don't have to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you remember an audition from thirteen years ago?
Speaker 4: When was this?
Speaker 1: This episode aired in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4: Twenty thirteen, Okay, I was like, I'm not gonna audition
Speaker 4: for him anymore, Like I just won't do it. And
Speaker 4: then I didn't have anything, and then I think, but
Speaker 4: I mean, Jonathan the castro director is such a lovely guy.
Speaker 5: I really like him.
Speaker 4: And then I got an offer, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I think they were just like, we're out of options
Speaker 4: and this guy, we need to get him off the
Speaker 4: circuit for this show. We'll give him this.
Speaker 3: Well, and you're friends with Dean Winters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know Dean. We just had a FaceTime
Speaker 4: with him the other day.
Speaker 3: Well, because that was fine.
Speaker 2: On the plane, you were going through our podcast and
Speaker 2: almost like every few seconds you'd be like, that's my friend. Wait,
Speaker 2: I know that you know Robert John Burke, like you
Speaker 2: know so many of the svs.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I called Kevin not long ago, and I was like, dude,
Speaker 4: I didn't know you were regular or recurry. I didn't
Speaker 4: know what he don't.
Speaker 5: I still don't know what exactly he's doing.
Speaker 1: Karas Max, we're recurring right now. We're hoping he becomes
Speaker 1: a regular. I'm annoyed. They just premiered the season this week,
Speaker 1: and I thought I was going to see him in
Speaker 1: the credits, in the main credits, I thought he was
Speaker 1: going to become one of the regulars. I think he's
Speaker 1: a very needed bit of humor to the show because
Speaker 1: he's funny, he's great.
Speaker 4: Kevin's wonderful. I've known Kevin a very long time. We
Speaker 4: used to be in this theater group together.
Speaker 1: Was it the one with Amy Schumer?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the collective.
Speaker 4: It was fun. A lot of us studied at the
Speaker 4: same place and I wasn't in their class, but I
Speaker 4: met them afterwards.
Speaker 2: You probably know so many actors. I really hype up
Speaker 2: that time in New York in my head that I
Speaker 2: wasn't there where people were like auditioning in person and
Speaker 2: running around and you probably and not that any shows
Speaker 2: shot there, and you probably all saw each other, and
Speaker 2: I like have this fantasy of that time.
Speaker 4: In my head. I loved that time of life, especially
Speaker 4: like before I had an agent or anything, and like
Speaker 4: I'd finished wait tables and I'd go and I had
Speaker 4: a manager's log in to break downs. I met her.
Speaker 4: I met her a few years ago at a film
Speaker 4: festival and I was like, thank you because I got
Speaker 4: a job because I had your log in.
Speaker 3: That's so cool.
Speaker 4: Like run around and like drop your head, shout out
Speaker 4: at casting director's offices and before they put out boxes
Speaker 4: that were like if you are submitting yourself, put it
Speaker 4: in this box ten blocks down the road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you knew. Dean.
Speaker 2: I was like set, I was shooting. I was getting tasted,
Speaker 2: you know, all the all the scoop.
Speaker 4: Uh, it was good. Yeah, Dean, I mean Dean's he's
Speaker 4: a great dude. We have the same business manager. That's
Speaker 4: kind of how I met him originally. And then I
Speaker 4: think he and Lee Turgison are good buddies. I'm sure
Speaker 4: Lee's done every law and order there is.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and they're both OZ boys, and I like
Speaker 2: was a huge OZ person.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah in OZ. Yeah, and getting taste. I sprained
Speaker 4: my ankle because I was trying to make it look real.
Speaker 4: And I was falling down that thing and I rolled
Speaker 4: my ankle over. Yeah, I'm trying to remember what else happened,
Speaker 4: So I ratted some people out.
Speaker 1: You did a great job. It's a really terrifying scene.
Speaker 1: I mean it's so like FATS past. You're like, what's
Speaker 1: going on? And like, I mean, I'm sorry about your ankle,
Speaker 1: but I think you it was worth it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it definitely hurt. That's one of the one of
Speaker 4: the uh visceral memories of that show.
Speaker 5: Who directed it? I can't remember. Do you know that information?
Speaker 1: Jeandice Segodon Zach Oh, yeah, yeah, Jean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he does a ton of Dick Wolf World stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's done fifty two svs. Damn in their working.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have a cycle there.
Speaker 1: So did you have to shoot it? Like a bunch
Speaker 1: of times of you just getting tased? I mean, like what, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think we also dented in the lockers. I remember
Speaker 4: the Yeah, the lockers got Danadenners and they weren't like breakaway.
Speaker 2: Nothing good ever happens at the lockers. Whenever we get
Speaker 2: to see the lockers, you know, something's amiss.
Speaker 4: Yeah, school lockers.
Speaker 3: Too, Like honestly, this is a new thing. We're real.
Speaker 2: If there's a locker, usually nothing's good is inside of it,
Speaker 2: or a CoP's about to do something shady.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But even when I saw you, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you were a bad cop, Like I forgot that you
Speaker 2: you were good, were a whistleblower.
Speaker 5: Yeah that was the whistleblower.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it's bookended, you know, you just you
Speaker 2: get dragged off and then we learned that you're a hero.
Speaker 5: Well that that was the thing before when they offered it.
Speaker 4: You know, I got the script and I one of
Speaker 4: the things I emailed back, and I was like, there's
Speaker 4: got to be some resolution to this, dude, Like we
Speaker 4: can't because they asked if, you know, if I wanted
Speaker 4: to do it and whatnot. I was like, we.
Speaker 5: Should put in some resolution, like I just go away
Speaker 5: and then I'm kind of the hero and then don't
Speaker 5: get brought back in. So they wrote the scene of
Speaker 5: him coming back, coming to get me out of the
Speaker 5: hospital or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank god. That would have been really dark for
Speaker 1: you to just be committed to a mental institution against
Speaker 1: your will and then left there forever.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, onlike other svus. But yeah, we're glad you we
Speaker 2: got some resolution as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, did y'all start this because you wanted to?
Speaker 4: You were like, we're going to watch all of SVU
Speaker 4: or were you SVU fans?
Speaker 1: No, we started it because we have already seen every
Speaker 1: episode of SVU mosttimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the day that me and Karen met.
Speaker 2: I don't know how sv got started. This was years ago,
Speaker 2: but I brought up. I used to follow a Twitter
Speaker 2: account called Doink Doink, and it would tweet anytime a
Speaker 2: Law and Order was on television what channel and what episode?
Speaker 4: Oh really?
Speaker 2: So I like I'd be on Twitter and be like,
Speaker 2: oh something, and I could change it.
Speaker 3: And so that's how we bonded. And then years later
Speaker 3: she had this idea.
Speaker 2: But now we're sick now, like we know the names
Speaker 2: of obscure episode who comes back? Like we're really at
Speaker 2: a place that's sick, and we'll start talking about plots
Speaker 2: very casually and forget that it is upsetting to certain people.
Speaker 2: You know, you can't just bring it up at dinner.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh yeah, his dick got chopped off and
Speaker 2: putting an ice bucket and people you're desensitized, you just
Speaker 2: say crazy shit and then you don't realize it until
Speaker 2: people are staring at being like, isn't that sad, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, it is, actually, yeah, I shouldn't.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't be so loose.
Speaker 2: And it's We're also really annoying to be around because
Speaker 2: if we're watching anything and someone's from SVU, they'll be like, oh,
Speaker 2: he was in an episode. Oh you know it's bad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and now I'm moving and I'm looking around my apartment
Speaker 2: at all my SVU memorabilia.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, it's a it's an issue.
Speaker 1: You did Criminal Intent back in nine, and then you
Speaker 1: did this in thirteen, and then you did OC really
Speaker 1: like kind of recently.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Are you mostly a bad guy?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I always die except for this SVU episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a turn as a good guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wait, do you have any passions to be a good
Speaker 2: guy or.
Speaker 4: No, there's a film that I really want to do
Speaker 4: that he's a good guy as long as they can.
Speaker 4: They're financing everything done. But I like twisted, fucked up guys. Yeah,
Speaker 4: which usually ends in death for the most part.
Speaker 2: What's been your craziest death or most dramatic or something
Speaker 2: that maybe you just remember fondly.
Speaker 4: I mean the Outsider I did put my mouth to
Speaker 4: a rifle and pull the trigger. I did a movie
Speaker 4: called Sick where I got thrown over a railing and
Speaker 4: landed on the antlers. Some antlers have been knocked off
Speaker 4: the wall and the antlers went through me like this, which.
Speaker 3: Was pretty that's sick. That is sick.
Speaker 2: That was probably cool to watch the makeup and people
Speaker 2: try to figure that out, right, or who does that?
Speaker 3: Who gets the antlers through you?
Speaker 4: I think one of the girls pushed me over the edge,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, it's movie magic. What other deaths
Speaker 4: have been? I mean the frying on Ozark was a first. Yeah,
Speaker 4: to get fried?
Speaker 1: That was a complicated one, like electric chair or like
Speaker 1: are you deep fried?
Speaker 5: He touches a ladder to get out of a boat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ladder is electrified. Oh that's fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hell yeah. I've considered putting together a death reel
Speaker 4: and just sent it out to cast Greicher's.
Speaker 2: You should you would blow up on TikTok. People would
Speaker 2: love that.
Speaker 4: I've never been on tick.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've seen somebody's TikTok before, never been on it.
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not allowed to have it on my
Speaker 2: phone because I love it too much. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: even love it. It just sucks you in. It's you know,
Speaker 2: it's like a slot machine, and I'm ready to be taken.
Speaker 4: I would much rather go to the slot machine.
Speaker 3: Do you play backgammon any chance?
Speaker 4: I play every morning. My wife and I play every day.
Speaker 3: Are you serious? It's like her favorite thing. I played
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't believe I got that vibe.
Speaker 4: No, we just did a We just played a game
Speaker 4: before I was coming on here.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I brought it to the comedy store a couple weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and I started a trend, and now people play backgammon.
Speaker 3: I'm excited.
Speaker 5: We love it. We're extremely competitive.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, it's more fun when you're competitive in that game,
Speaker 2: and when it gets super close you're losing by a role.
Speaker 3: Wow. I can't believe you guys play.
Speaker 4: Every day, every single day.
Speaker 3: That's so crazy.
Speaker 4: We wake up, Wiley gets on the bus to go
Speaker 4: to school. We usually play three to four games, and then.
Speaker 5: The daughter gets ready to go to school, and.
Speaker 4: Then we come back and we play a few more games,
Speaker 4: and then usually we take little breaks during the day
Speaker 4: and play.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed And do you guys you have a little suitcase.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, I can't.
Speaker 1: Believe you sensed this, Lisa.
Speaker 4: It's interesting how she was rolling really well today and
Speaker 4: I wasn't. But yesterday I rolled like three or four
Speaker 4: double sixes in a game, and you know, double fives
Speaker 4: and double fours, and it was almost like a perfect game.
Speaker 4: It's so fun.
Speaker 2: Well, when that happens in my family's home and my
Speaker 2: dad has a good role, my mom accuses him of cheating,
Speaker 2: and then they don't play for him on set of time,
Speaker 2: so watch out.
Speaker 4: There was one day recently where she had she had
Speaker 4: won a couple of games and then I started. I
Speaker 4: was just like looking in the little cup and doing
Speaker 4: this and then I rolled and I gotta I got
Speaker 4: a double six.
Speaker 5: I did it like two or three games in a row,
Speaker 5: and she was like stop stop that.
Speaker 4: I was like, people do it when they play craps,
Speaker 4: They like, you know, get the dice to the numbers
Speaker 4: that they want. And now my new thing is I go,
Speaker 4: I start shaking, I go, come on baby. And then.
Speaker 5: And a lot of times I have rolled double six.
Speaker 5: It's first roll, which is a great first role.
Speaker 2: Oh it's it's really fun. I love getting a five
Speaker 2: to six and a six one. Those always uh kind
Speaker 2: of excite me.
Speaker 1: I've literally never played, so I don't know what you
Speaker 1: guys are talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm scared to I'm scared to teach Kara because
Speaker 2: she is very competitive. But I think for my own enjoyment,
Speaker 2: I got a teacher, so because I know you would
Speaker 2: take it upon yourself to get good, because I've sawt
Speaker 2: our other friend but he's not practicing. So then every
Speaker 2: time we play, it's not fun for me because he's
Speaker 2: not getting better. Yeah, so I think, Kara, maybe you
Speaker 2: would take it upon yourself.
Speaker 3: To get good because you want to win.
Speaker 5: We often say we're like, we have a problem.
Speaker 4: And the other day I had I had a zoom
Speaker 4: with the creator of the show that my wife's going
Speaker 4: to go do and I'm gonna do some In the zoom,
Speaker 4: I kept having to remind myself to pay attention because
Speaker 4: I was like I was in my head. We had
Speaker 4: just finished playing games. In my head, I started going
Speaker 4: through different scenarios on the backgammon board of like if
Speaker 4: I rolled this and the this, and I would be like, no, stop,
Speaker 4: listen to what, listen to what he's saying.
Speaker 1: Focus in forget about back Gavin for a second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know who else?
Speaker 2: I watched the Architectural Digests on YouTube and Aaron Paul
Speaker 2: and his wife play every morning too.
Speaker 5: Oh really we should do a tournament with him, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they live in some like cabins somewhere. But I
Speaker 2: get excited when I see it. You know, it's an ancient,
Speaker 2: ancient game, survived thousands of years.
Speaker 3: It's cool. Yeah, and now we get to play it.
Speaker 1: Do you have any other like memories of like the
Speaker 1: sview episode that you shot, or like our listeners will
Speaker 1: love any Maloney tidbits if you have those from OC
Speaker 1: you know Maloney.
Speaker 4: I had no idea what to expect going in to
Speaker 4: meet him.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 5: He's a fantastic person, like just a good human.
Speaker 4: I love going on a.
Speaker 5: Show that has like with the lead is just.
Speaker 4: Like somebody who's generous and gracious to everybody that works
Speaker 4: on the show.
Speaker 5: He's exactly that way.
Speaker 4: I went up to his room to rehearse something, and
Speaker 4: you know, we got to talking about he had one
Speaker 4: of those one of those rollers, those you know that
Speaker 4: you roll your muscles out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got.
Speaker 5: Chatting about that.
Speaker 4: He's a very buff dude. As I'm sure you can.
Speaker 3: Tell we've noticed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was such a great guy who, you know,
Speaker 4: knew everybody's name on set, which I'm like, that's that's
Speaker 4: how you should be when you're number one, not like
Speaker 4: other number ones that all of us actors have seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to ask a question after.
Speaker 4: Oh no, Yeah, you know, he was just like collaborative,
Speaker 4: which was which was great, especially in the scene. I
Speaker 4: forget what it was that we had a bunch of
Speaker 4: back and forth, and I also just kind of wanted
Speaker 4: to have a whiskey with him. Didn't do that, but
Speaker 4: we ended up having a couple of friends in common.
Speaker 4: I should have watched the SPU episode before I did this,
Speaker 4: and I didn't. I mean, I was glad to finally
Speaker 4: maybe be accepted by them because it had been so
Speaker 4: many times they've never called me back. How many years
Speaker 4: is that you have to go? Like, how many years
Speaker 4: before you can go back on the Chick?
Speaker 1: Well, apparently, like there's all different things we've heard, because
Speaker 1: at the very beginning they were like letting people come
Speaker 1: back and play different characters all the time, and then
Speaker 1: I think now they make you wait a few years
Speaker 1: like in between.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but if you came.
Speaker 3: Back with your beard and your mustache.
Speaker 1: No one would know, no one would remember, I feel
Speaker 1: because they look very different.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want you getting arrested, you know at court
Speaker 2: freak out in the courtroom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we could. It be fun to recreate that. Do
Speaker 4: you see that that guy that jumped over the.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, do you think you can do that?
Speaker 3: You think you can get that kind of height.
Speaker 4: A little springboard down there.
Speaker 3: He got so much air.
Speaker 2: It really is horrifying that no one was able to
Speaker 2: stop him, but he got air air.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I would love to.
Speaker 4: I've only auditioned for Dick wolf once and I wasn't
Speaker 4: told that he was going to be there, and it
Speaker 4: threw me off. I think it was for maybe FBI
Speaker 4: or something. I was, you know, I think I was
Speaker 4: also like in a weird spot, in a breakup or something,
Speaker 4: and I went in there and Dick Wolfe was in there.
Speaker 4: I'd never seen him. He didn't look like what I
Speaker 4: thought he would look like. So that also threw me
Speaker 4: off and turned out to be one of the worst
Speaker 4: auditions I've ever done.
Speaker 5: And he may have just like flagged that been like
Speaker 5: that guy never again.
Speaker 1: Well, you still but you've been on three.
Speaker 3: I mean they just your OC episode was only a
Speaker 3: year or two ago.
Speaker 1: Right, Like, so, yeah, you can't be blacklisted that hard.
Speaker 4: No, that's that's true.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm with you. When I first saw Dick Wolfe,
Speaker 2: I went to like a Pailey Center thing to watch
Speaker 2: them all talk. I was shocked when he walked out,
Speaker 2: and I don't even know what I was anticipating, but
Speaker 2: it was a real I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, wait, that's that's not what you've
Speaker 4: looked like in my mind for me however many years.
Speaker 4: But I will say that Mariska Hargite, I remember doing
Speaker 4: the going in for the table read of that for
Speaker 4: that episode, and she came in and she was just like, hey,
Speaker 4: everybody like you know, went around, hugged everybody's neck around
Speaker 4: the table, shook my hand, and yes, she was totally
Speaker 4: different than what I thought what you always see on TV.
Speaker 4: Just very kind and generous lady. I can't believe she's
Speaker 4: done that show for how many years?
Speaker 1: Did twenty five? Diseason just started?
Speaker 4: Holy Swim.
Speaker 3: The premiere was last week and it was a good episode.
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah.
Speaker 1: Now you got good number one energy from Maloney and
Speaker 1: from Marushka Hargita. What about Vincent Diinofrio from Criminal Intent?
Speaker 2: Kara was a page on that set one time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you were well, yeah, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: always remember hearing things about him.
Speaker 4: Here's what I remember about Vincent Andafrio. He got a
Speaker 4: sushi truck in one night, got sushi for everybody.
Speaker 5: It was great. And I also was like, you know,
Speaker 5: I was still I was getting.
Speaker 4: The bait, you know, the base rate, and I was
Speaker 4: about to go on a trip to Italy or something.
Speaker 4: And he came in in the scene where like I'm
Speaker 4: dead with blood coming out of the back of my
Speaker 4: head and we were already at like thirteen fourteen hours
Speaker 4: something like that, and he came in and he goes,
Speaker 4: just gonna let everybody know, I don't know any of
Speaker 4: these lines.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna rush it. We're gonna take our time.
Speaker 4: And I was I go, yes, because I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get so much.
Speaker 3: Over time, and I did, hell yeah.
Speaker 5: Then it was it was a long scene.
Speaker 1: I bet for that reason he was adored by actors
Speaker 1: and not as much producers and directors.
Speaker 4: Problem.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: You mentioned wild number ones and without naming names. What
Speaker 2: is the craziest thing you've seen where you're like, what
Speaker 2: is happening?
Speaker 3: Be like, we're just here to act. What's going on?
Speaker 4: I mean I had one who just straight up left
Speaker 4: after their coverage and left their double to do my coverage.
Speaker 4: But I said something to like one of the hair
Speaker 4: and makeup ladies and they were like, she's crazy. She's
Speaker 4: like she tried to attack somebody with a pencil in
Speaker 4: the makeup trailer and she was like, there's nobody on
Speaker 4: the crew likes her. She just is a total mess.
Speaker 4: And she hadn't even worked that much. That was the thing.
Speaker 4: I was like, I was grateful to have a job
Speaker 4: that I had worked quite a lot more than she had,
Speaker 4: but she was kind of a nightmare.
Speaker 3: Stabbing on a set is yeah, a pencil.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you don't Yeah, I mean I guess it
Speaker 4: was a nice weapon, nice rute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been worse. But the hair and
Speaker 2: makeup people always know everything.
Speaker 4: Oh they know.
Speaker 2: They're my favorite people, I would say to gossip with.
Speaker 4: It is the gossip chain in there, and they see everything.
Speaker 4: They're the first people I make friends with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're the ones that are gonna make you
Speaker 1: look good, don't piss them off, that's true, or make
Speaker 1: you impaled with a dear antler, whatever, whatever's happening that day.
Speaker 2: Is there anywhere that our listeners can find you, or
Speaker 2: something coming out that you'd like to tell them about
Speaker 2: or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have like six things on your IMDb coming up.
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you was anything you wanted to
Speaker 1: specifically tell people to look out for.
Speaker 5: The Big Cigars coming out sometime this year.
Speaker 4: I don't know that it was one of those things
Speaker 4: get pushed because I'm hoping that's going to be a
Speaker 4: good show. Is fun, There's a lot of fun that one.
Speaker 4: And then American Rust had a great.
Speaker 1: Time on The Big Cigar is Apple TV, Apple Plus Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Big Scars, Apple, American Rust. I think is going to Amazon. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: American Rest is going to Amazon. I think it's going
Speaker 4: to be in.
Speaker 3: The spring, really doing cool stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just got this cool I don't know if
Speaker 4: I can say what it is, but I got this
Speaker 4: great movie with Judy Greer and Emma Thompson.
Speaker 1: Whoa two of my faves.
Speaker 4: I was literally like I told my wife, I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't feel like I should be in their company
Speaker 4: and she was like, shut up.
Speaker 3: Should She seems cool and.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a three hander, so it'll be fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Mark for taking the time to
Speaker 1: talk to us today and connect with a fellow backgammon enthusiast.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2: Pretty impressive of me that I just knew he would
Speaker 2: like backgammon. I think that's like a pretty psychic.
Speaker 1: Moment, a psychic. I was like, where's this gonna go?
Speaker 1: He might not play backgammon, and then he was like,
Speaker 1: I just finished play. It was so good.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 1: You know people, you're intuitive, You're an unpath.
Speaker 3: He's living a good life.
Speaker 2: I like, was doing some crowd work and I looked
Speaker 2: at a guy to like agree or disagree with me,
Speaker 2: and I go, you know, I chose you because you
Speaker 2: do look like a Republican and then he goes, I am.
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, I sends it off of you. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, and I knew you would keep me honest
Speaker 2: because you're you know, you don't like women speaking, and that.
Speaker 1: Is why your crowd work is so good, because you, oh,
Speaker 1: you do notice and sends things about people all the time.
Speaker 3: You're like you guys just.
Speaker 1: Get engaged and they're like yesterday, You're always like zeroing
Speaker 1: in on people.
Speaker 3: It's so wild, it's so fun.
Speaker 2: It's so fun to see everyone out and about and
Speaker 2: on the flight. I mean this was our first flight booking.
Speaker 1: So that was exciting, Yes, booking somebody from Delta.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Good work everybody involved, including comedian Amy Miller post mortem
Speaker 1: on this episode. The cops are fucked, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: the cops are bad, uh in.
Speaker 2: When they're bad, they don't care that they're bad. They're
Speaker 2: de Lulu, they're just punks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so wild to me because like this woman,
Speaker 1: the one that is Nina from uh Sex and the City,
Speaker 1: Like you've been in a male dominated field this and that,
Speaker 1: and you're just like letting men get away with stuff
Speaker 1: like over a crush.
Speaker 3: It's like kind of disappointing. Listen.
Speaker 2: You know, we talk about it, the like closeness to
Speaker 2: power sometimes is more appealing to people than like fighting
Speaker 2: the good fight or even not caring. But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just like common. Yeah, a guy's gal, it's a you know,
Speaker 2: there's a term for it. She's a guy's gal.
Speaker 3: A guy's gal. A picc me girl.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, you want to be a girl's girl in
Speaker 2: this world because the men will always handmade.
Speaker 3: Tail you you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, No, there's not gonna be a situe like ivy,
Speaker 2: Like the path to our birth control like to our
Speaker 2: iud is getting ripped out is months away, and it
Speaker 2: is just like they will not protect you. These men
Speaker 2: will never have your side. So it's like, why be
Speaker 2: a guy's goal. He's not even fucking you. It's not
Speaker 2: like you're even digmatized. Yes, it's so wild, it is wild.
Speaker 2: I also want to congratulate myself. I did not mention
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, so that's congrats until just now. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say that. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: throw that out there. I do want to complain about
Speaker 2: a personal thing quickly, because I just looked over and
Speaker 2: I saw the boxes of this. So because of my
Speaker 2: fucked up tweety tattoo, I do have to use some
Speaker 2: scar cream, and so I bought some Maderma whatever normal.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use that for a few months, chill the
Speaker 2: scars down and fragrance in it.
Speaker 3: Why does a scar gel need a fragrance?
Speaker 1: No, Maderma doesn't it's supposed to be unscented, I know.
Speaker 3: And so I bought this other brand.
Speaker 2: We'll see it's scar Away, but I bought a gel,
Speaker 2: but there's also a patch that stays on for ten
Speaker 2: days and you know for my lifestyle, that works real great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll.
Speaker 2: See, Yeah, love that, but whatever, I just wanted to say,
Speaker 2: like why, like why is it in such crazy things?
Speaker 2: But also acab Forever. Sorry I made it about me
Speaker 2: and the fragrances, but it's just upsetting.
Speaker 1: No one's like I love Maderma. It makes me smell
Speaker 1: like roses. I mean, that's like not the point of Maderma,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's not.
Speaker 3: I just don't get why there's a fragrance. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: But let's chugg along to our what would Sister Peg
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Speaker 1: and specifically highlight how they're working to stop systemic problem
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for that, Karen. I do apologize
Speaker 3: to the listeners.
Speaker 2: I did put some gushers in my mouth as Kara talked,
Speaker 2: and I need a second and I'm back and next
Speaker 2: week please watch along as we do the episode cage
Speaker 2: from season eight, Episode eight, Double eights, Baby my lucky number?
Speaker 2: Did you used to go eight times eight? Fell on
Speaker 2: the floor?
Speaker 3: Pick it up? It's sixty four? No, yeah, I did that.
Speaker 3: That's fun. It's fun.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much to our producer Casey O'Brien and
Speaker 2: our associate producer Christina Chamberlain, and.
Speaker 1: To our mixer John Bradley and our guest booker Patrick Cottner,
Speaker 1: and to Henry Kaperski for our theme song and Carly
Speaker 1: gen Andrews for our artwork. Thank you to our executive
Speaker 1: producers Georgia hard Start, Karen Kilgareff, Daniel Kramer, and everybody
Speaker 1: at Exactly Right Media.
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