WEBVTT - Internal Affairs w/ Marc Menchaca 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.480 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.280 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:08.119 vicious felonies. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:09.320 These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:29.920 These are our stories done Dune. Welcome to another episode 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.440 of That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.040 My name is Lisa Traeger and. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.080 My name is Kara Klank, and we're so excited to 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.040 bring you a podcast where we talk about Law and 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.199 Order SVU episodes, the true crime they're based on, and 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.480 we interview an actor from the show. Today's a good one. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.040 But before we get into it, we like to chat. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.960 We like to catch up Lisa, what's happening. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.880 I did tease some big news. I guess I'd have 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.320 to let everyone know that. Like Kara, during helping me 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.280 move from LA to New York, realized that I didn't 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:06.280 have a trash can and it horrified her to her bones, 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.479 chilling for her. Sh It just hit her like it 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.280 was like the end of the movie Memento where it 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.440 all made sense. I need you to know I got 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.560 a tall silver trash can with a pedal. 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:20.720 Oh hell yeah, simple human. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.320 No, it's some one of the big brands. Maybe Glad 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:25.960 like I think it might be like a Glad one 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.119 or something. But I did spend an extra twenty five 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:30.280 dollars to get it all silver. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:31.000 I did. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.240 I did want the silver one. But I love having 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.200 a trash can with a pedal. It's like it is 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:37.520 fun to throw things in there. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.640 Yeah, just make it a little game. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.839 You know, all these water bottles with one sip left, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:44.400 they don't need to sit here, they can go right 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:45.640 in that beautiful trash can. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.000 Well, no, I do the recycling in another loose bag obviously, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:50.800 but that's okay. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:51.520 You know that's okay. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's pedal throw it in pedal. Well, 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.520 in New York, I don't actually believe it, but here 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.840 people are really separating the recycling and trash. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:03.480 Oh. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.360 I got a ticket one time in New York for 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.520 not having my recycling in a clear bag. 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.840 Yeah. It's really frustrating because I have a lot of 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:12.480 white bags. 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:13.680 But whatever. 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:15.880 But also it's like I've watched you guys just throw 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.239 the recycling in with the trash. So I don't know 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.280 why I'm getting a ticket for like sixty five dollars 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:20.920 right now. 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.840 But whatever. Well, because the world is corrupt, because it's yes. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:30.880 Yes, Wait can we talk about the willy Wonka experience 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:31.680 in Scotland? 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:32.480 Have you heard about this? 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.639 Have not at all? And I'm really on the internet, 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.480 so okay, wait, hold on sending you a link. In 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:44.880 Scotland there was some kind of Willy Wonka experience but 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.040 they let AI like do the entire thing like and 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.600 so the words are crazy. Everything it says willy Wonka 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.240 Immersive Event leaves kids in tears. Quote it looks like 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.040 a meth lab. Like there are videos all over Twitter 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:03.000 about it. Kids are terrified, Like the poster for it 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.400 has like all this gibber jabber on it that doesn't 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:09.959 even make sense. It's truly I feel like I keep 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.200 getting nervous about how AI is gonna take over, and 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:13.760 then I'm like, I don't know, I don't think it's 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.760 that good. Like look at this shit. 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:18.520 I'm on the New York Times right now and it 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:20.920 is all the headlines are really funny and like, yeah, 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.720 so the subheading is families traveled to Glasgow. I've been 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.280 there for an event that whatever. They got a couple 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.079 of jelly beans, a few jelly beans in a world 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.119 of disappointment, Like what people called the cops. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.000 Like when you look at the side by side, it's 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.760 like it looks like this gorgeous ai other world with 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.480 like beautiful lollipops, like, and then you go in and 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.280 it's just a fucking shitty party city rainbow that you're 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:46.160 walking underneath. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.280 I just can't get enough of it. It's too funny. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.240 But also it looks janky. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:56.280 Yeah, so I just don't know how it's janky and terrified. No, 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:00.160 it's terrible, Like are the kids crying because it's so bad. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.480 I'm just not seeing what the kids are seeing. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.240 Like, wait, look at the tway I just sent you. Okay, 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:13.240 this is the reason why some kids are crying. It's 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.560 just like a freaky man that looks like a member 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.039 of Kiss coming out from behind a mirror, jerking his 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.359 body like the girl from the Ring. I mean, it's like, 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.880 why did you think this was on par with like 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:28.560 oopa loopahs, Like it's just really funny. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.159 It's just the news story that we need in these 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:32.240 trying times. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.880 Yes, yes, we need a little pick me up. And 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:37.719 it is the Willy Wonka Experience. 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:42.680 Oh I thought Ai designed it, but Ai created the 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.080 poster and that it was. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:46.080 About the ads. 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.480 So people think they're coming into this like magical Lisa 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:55.599 Frank fucking amazing, colorful world, and it's this warehouse with 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.480 like ten decorations in This is so bad. Oh, if 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.280 you haven't heard the story, please google and enjoy yourself. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.640 It's really bad. Okay, But I was confused. 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:05.760 I thought AI was like setting it up, like there 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.760 were AI event planners or something. But now I understand 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.600 that it was like the posters made it look so 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.960 cool all the marketing. Either way, it's hysterical how bad 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.839 it is. But yeah, the immersive photo of the AI 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.480 looks good At first. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.360 When Jared was telling me the story, he goes, it's 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.279 in Vegas, and then I looked it up. I go, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.080 it's in Glasgow, Vegas. You cannot get away with that shit. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.400 I feel like Vegas. I don't think you can get 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.719 away with like poor production quality in Vegas people. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.920 The word spreads too fast. But this isn't poor production quality. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.320 This looks like a sketch from the office, like in 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.000 a warehouse. Like yeah, if you guys want to know, 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.960 we're looking at a big conference center looking thing glass 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:48.560 windows and then there's just a glitterally nice arch rainbow 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:55.880 with clouds, and then there's desks, screens, loose doors, pipes, 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.920 a hanging poster, its post pipes, post pipes and one 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:04.080 and gum drop and caution tape on the crowd in 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:05.120 between the clouds. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.279 It's really something else. I don't know. 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:13.040 God bless the Scottish. That's fun. That's fun. Shout out 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.640 to uh Glasgow. It really tickled us there. Yeah, it 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:17.799 feels good to laugh. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.040 Listen. Did I see friendly but WIT's at a party 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.000 I was at. I did. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.039 I don't know what else to say, Guys, I don't 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:23.839 know what else to say. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.160 Oh my god, yeah Bury the lead. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.160 Uh. I was invited as a plus one with a 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.880 friend to the I don't know the name. It's like 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.880 the American History Museum of Natural History. Who knows the 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.640 Museum of Natural History? Yeah, because the real one is 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.680 Smith's like in DC. Kept popping at whatever. I don't care. 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.800 It's a museum I'm not interested in. Yeah, I'd rather 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.440 be at a zoo, an aquarium or an art museum. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.920 But it was impressive. I did like the stuff. It 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:51.440 was well. 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.599 I remember taking a kid. I baby sat there and 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.599 I liked the squid in the whale and I like. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.320 There was a butterfly exhibit that we liked. Was cool 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.600 that you could go in and just butterflies everywhere. 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.359 Well, we entered through the back for the events, so 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.320 we weren't really like running around, but we obviously, like 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:09.520 you know, we saw some ancient stuff and some displays 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.360 of animals whatever. But it was a Kate Winslet show. 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.800 I did get a peak of her. I did have 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.560 a little puff thing with a caviar. But a lot 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.160 of podcast guests, so I did see Josh Pisce, but 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.440 he was talking to fig from Oranges, the New Black 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:25.880 Sid didn't approach him, and then I lost him. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.880 I should have just went in there. I should have 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:28.760 went Josh. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.880 He did my podcast for the love of God, scoop 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.800 a memory of me out of your brain. But I 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.160 didn't do it. But there was an oxygen bar. I 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.000 saw a bunch of character actors. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.000 Wait, what happens at the oxygen bar? 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.480 You just put a little mask on, breathe some oxygen, 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.400 and you feel all like better. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.520 I don't know about better, but yeah, they give you 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.760 temporary like your own disposable nose holes, like if you 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.400 were in a hospital. So that's kind of nose plugs. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:08:00.000 Oh but he did not holes, you know what I mean. Yeah, 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.440 the thing that goes right under yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.640 Like that feels weird. And then there's like five options 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.360 of like bubbling oxygen. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:08.840 Who knows one is. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.400 They're named after the characters, so it's like Yelena eucalyptus, 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.880 And there was a chill one and so I breathed 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.680 a little of the stress, depression, anxiety, you know, But. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.760 Okay, okay, feel any immediate effects. 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.520 No, no, we just did it for the Graham. You know. 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.560 I wasn't I didn't have high expectations. I was out 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.720 there chasing for a lamb chop. That's what I was 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.600 doing at this event. And I was trying to find 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.400 a character actor and make eye contact and that's all 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.679 I was doing, and chasing friendly But what's around till 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:38.360 she was walked out. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:44.239 I'm excited. I was so obsessed with Mayor of Easttown 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.040 that I'm excited to see what this is. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.080 It is weird, but she is. I'm gonna keep watching. 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.720 Like the first episode ended that they screened and I 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:52.600 was like, I'm watching. 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.480 I need more. I'd like more. Yeah, Oh, we were in. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.120 The bathroom withstusis men obviously, and she's also on Watch 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.560 What Happens Live, you know, like last week, so I'm 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:01.600 wondering what she's promoting. 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:02.280 I'm interested. 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.560 How do we feel about this lawsuit that Leah McSweeney 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:06.760 is bringing against Bravo. 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:08.360 It's also about Andy. 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.960 If these dumb bitches get in the way of my 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:17.240 Bravo viewing and watch What Happens Live, I mean, I 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:22.120 are ready to like Leah, you're a below bottom level housewife. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:23.800 I don't know. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.440 It's just like you all want to suck a little 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.959 Andy's dick. You all want to be his number one girl. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.880 I'm sure he was out doing coke and partying with 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.280 all of you as you kiss his ass for screen time. 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:35.800 And now it's an issue. 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.840 And I know we do a podcast where we do 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.520 listen to women and we do take claim seriously, but 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.240 I'm not right now, and I don't know what to 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.680 tell you. I'm bothered. I'm bothered. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:46.800 I'm annoyed. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.280 You didn't do a good job. You're out of there, like, 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:50.640 leave us alone. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.679 She's mad, Yeah, she's big mad. Yeah yeah. 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.120 Who else is suing? Someone else is suing? There's like 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:57.319 two lawsuits happening. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:01.120 Well, there's the Caroline Manzoe, but that's specific about like 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.520 Brandy Brandy. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:04.720 Yeah, Brandy and Leah. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.720 Why don't we give them a crappy lake but send 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.520 them to Antarctica and see if they survive. That's what 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.200 I think. Let's see if they can make it on 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:13.520 that boat. 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.760 Brandy and Leah in crappy person lake and they get 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.439 to go down to Antarctica. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:20.520 That's a great idea. Let's pitch it. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:25.079 Dum, I'm not gonna say it. I've gotten really loosey 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:30.960 goosey with charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent. Yes, you know, 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.280 it's really fun since my purse is drag Race themed, 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.679 like people will go love your bag and then we'll 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.400 get I get to talk to people about drag Race. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:45.600 It's really exciting. Yeah, Well, what else is exciting is 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.199 I went to a store I haven't went into yet 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:53.960 on my block filled with trolls, filled with movie like 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.120 Death Becomes Her earrings. They have the same Dennis Rodman 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:03.320 dolls I have. They a box of Simpson's dominoes. Like, 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.320 are you fucking kidding me? I was like, how is 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.440 this on my block? And then two best friend girls 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.280 were sitting working there. Only one girl needed to work there. 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:15.680 Only one man and two girl best friends own it 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.840 that were not the same girls, And like we just 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.760 kept vibing, and I was like, this is going to 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.120 be a financial disaster for me. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.040 I mean, I think that we need to make a 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.080 troll budget. You know, we need to decide how many 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.360 trolls were allowed to have for a month and stick 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:33.679 to it. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.000 I only bought one little one, but I was like, oh, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.559 you know, I actually just bought this grandma and grandpatrol 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.520 that were very ancient and special, and she knew exactly 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.080 what I was talking about, like she's a troll expert 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:44.480 as well. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:44.719 Well. 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:46.400 The good thing is the picture that you sent me. 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.680 The trolls all looked pretty small. The grandma and grandpa 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.520 are quite large. Yeah, yeah, those are Those are some 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.520 hefty trolls. So I'm glad that you can introduce some 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.760 more small babies into the family. 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:57.559 Yeah. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.360 Absolutely, any grandkids, right these Grandma hung Gramatrol Lady Greg 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:08.959 Absolutely absolutely. Okay, what do you think should we get started? 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.600 We should start it at This is a really long one. 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.960 So all the all the people that are listening that 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.640 are commuting. 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She just wanted 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.920 to give him a shout out, and let's get going 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:41.360 right one hundred percent. Okay, today we are doing Internal Affairs, 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:46.680 season fifteen, episode four. This baby goes back to twenty thirteen, 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.520 and I'll tell you something. The title means more than 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.120 one thing. Okay, Internal Affairs. We open on Olivia wrapping 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.719 up a therapy session with mister Noodle, who is a 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.640 sesame street man. Bill Irwin has played her therapist, Peter 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.760 Lund's Roma on seventeen episodes of SVU, but he has 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.120 not been on since season twenty three, so season twenty 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.920 four no therapist, and it seems like she does need 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.000 therapy more than ever. If you're watching the current season, 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.719 she cannot let oh of this one case. But I 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.800 don't know if maybe this is the guy, because he 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.520 does get her. At the beginning of this episode, he 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.240 hands her a jewelry box and inside is her Fearless 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:25.040 necklace and that is a Benson signature, and he goes 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.200 because you told me the one that you had before 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.960 is being held as evidence, and that is from William Lewis, 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.040 if you'll recall the William Lewis situation is from a 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.200 couple of episodes ago. And I just don't think your 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:36.960 therapist is supposed to give you jewelry. Like I get, 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:38.880 it's a nice idea. I just don't think you should 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.560 be accepting jewelry gifts from your therapist. 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:41.640 That's just me. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.640 And especially because she either already has or she later 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:47.680 has a dream where they're making out, and it's just 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.720 it weirds me out that mister Noodle is giving her jewelry. 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.440 So I get wanting this moment for the show. And 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.240 maybe they could have just had Finn give it to her, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.960 but whatever, Live tears up when she sees it and 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:59.960 the guy and she's like thank you, and the guy 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.400 it's like you're welcome. And then it's like it is 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.840 s fu. So my mind is already like set to creepy. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:09.000 You know. The next scene, we're at a Bronx courthouse. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.960 We're in a locker room. I guess there's a locker 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:12.840 room at the courthouse where the cops change in and 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.200 out of their outfits. And uh, there's a convo going 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.400 on between Cassidy and another cop and the actor playing. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.200 The other cop is named Mark Minchaka, who I recognize 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.600 immediately from Ozark and he usually has a stash, but 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.240 here he's babyfaced. This guy's also been on OC recently, 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.840 and he's been on criminal intent and if you're interested 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.440 in celebrity gossip, he is married to Lena Hetty, who 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:35.800 is Sererce fucking Lanister. 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.840 So that's pretty fun. Anyway, Cassidy and this. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.680 Cop are shooting the shit talking about their commutes to 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:43.240 the Bronx. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.240 I wonder if they have a role play as brother 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.280 and sister and have inces grassex. 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.760 He pretends to have one hand. Yeah, I don't know. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.200 Oh did Jamie have one hand? He's the one that 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.240 got it chopped. He gets his hand chopped off. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.880 Honestly, I will I should revisit. I feel all this 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.920 shows I watched with my ex back in the day, 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.120 like over a decade ago that we didn't finish. I 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:08.400 just never finished. Yeah, the Wire and Game of Thrones. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.160 I was like, all right, I guess I'm over it. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.640 I did love Game of Thrones the whole time, but 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.520 I feel like the first three seasons are the best ones, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.320 so you've seen the good stuff. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:18.600 I mean, like it's still good. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.400 I think Bingjing is gonna be better for me. It's 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.920 just too many characters in too many places, spread apart 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.720 over too many years. That like, yeah, it's just not 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.320 for my stoner brain. But also I don't even need 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.240 to see it. I'm just obsessed with all the actors. Yeah, 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.320 I'm on board, you know, I'm I love all the girls. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:37.560 But I would be I would love your take on 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.200 the ending. Well, I read about it. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:43.520 I read about it, Tidefell level controversy. What finale isn't 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.640 Sopranos Breaking Back? They all are controversial. 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:50.000 I know everybody hates well Dexter, notoriously one of the 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:51.400 worst Lost Dexter. 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.040 I guess people just love six Feet Unders. That's like 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:59.120 known as the best. I feel like was Fresh Prince. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.960 But I guess that's like sitcom is different too than 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:02.240 I think. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.639 Sitcom's always had kind of sweet endings. I remember the 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.480 Growing Pains one was really cute and like, but but 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.960 dramatic shows, well, what was that? 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:11.920 What was the season finale of Sex and the City. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.560 It's them all at the coffee like bring back our girl. 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.480 It's big bringing her back from Paris, and they're all 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.000 like together at the coffee shop laughing. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.800 I feel right, or maybe it's her typing or something. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:25.560 Yeah, I don't know. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:30.040 I can't remember. I guess I don't know the final thing. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:35.040 But besides six feet under what, there's another one that 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.320 I feel like people were into. 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:39.679 That was drama I can't think of. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.840 Well, if you tell us, tell us what you think 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.280 a write us on Instagram and. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:48.440 Tell us we're good dramatic finales. Yeah, but. 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.720 This guy is shooting the shit with Cassidy. They're talking 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:54.840 about their long commutes to the Bronx and the other 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.800 CoP's name is Groves, and he's like, yeah, that's how 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.960 they punish you. That's when you find out n why 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:05.960 stands for now you're persecuted daily. Okay, Cassidy got demoted 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.680 to this like shit position at the Bronx courthouse, if 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.119 you'll remember, because of his relationship with Carissa Gibson bart 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.720 Ganzel's girlfriend who was an escort and he had like 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.080 a consensual relationship with her when he was undercover. 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.000 So he got busted for that by Tucker. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.640 Suddenly, in the middle of this conversation about like, oh man, 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.480 I had to take the train all the way from rockaway, 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.800 Groves gets all serious. He hands Cassidy a little envelope 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:31.720 and it's got a safety deposit box key in it, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:33.960 and he doesn't tell them where the box is, but 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.000 he goes anything happens to me, A friend of mine 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.200 will tell you where the box is. You take what's 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.400 in there to the New York Times. And Cassidy's like, dude, 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.520 are you for real? And Groves is like, yes, ever 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.680 since I turned on them at the twelfth They tap 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.320 my phones, they're following me. Suddenly a whole fucking ESU 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.320 team shows up, like helmets, the whole thing. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.480 They rush this guy, Groves. He reaches for his weapon. 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.359 They beat him to it. He's struggling. They tase his ass. 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.000 He's on the floor trembling the taser while Cassidy looks 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.760 on and just like pockets the deposit key. It's like 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.879 he just sensed it was coming. It's not like we 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.239 heard anything. We didn't hear like a banging or like 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.040 a anyone know where Groves is or anything like that. 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.560 He just sensed it and suddenly shit went nuts. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:19.840 So now we cut to Cassidy unpacking boxes with Benson 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.719 at a new apartment where they just moved in together. 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.240 Cassidy is taking the skull of a long horn out 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.440 of a box and it's obviously a Cassidy box. I'm 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.280 really annoyed that she has to find a place for 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:32.080 that in her house. 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:33.560 He's such a bro. 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.040 To bring a bone thing to her house. Get the 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:38.040 fuck out of here. 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:39.639 I mean, you're in New York City. 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.080 Like, we're not doing skeletons on the walls of animal Like, 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:47.520 it's just anyway. He's like, this place seemed and live 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.359 is like bigger when it was empty. We'll figure it out. 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:54.159 And then, uh, she's being very optimistic. She seems happy 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.840 as a little clam to be unpacking, getting her domestic 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:01.639 bliss on and Benson noticed it that Cassidy's mind starts 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.720 wandering and she's like, what's up? And you know, it's like, 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.439 you can tell me, even if it's about work, And 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.760 so he tells her the stories, like they came for 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.120 this guy Groves, they tased him, they hauled him off 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.359 to Bellevue, and now he's on a cyc hold. And 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.040 you didn't get the impression in their little conversation in 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.040 the locker room that this guy needed a CycL like 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.520 maybe he was, you know, being a little paranoid about 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.000 being followed. But Cassidy's like, yeah, the guy was acting paranoid, 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.560 but then they did come and get him, so maybe 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.360 he wasn't being paranoid. And it turns out while Cassidy 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.240 was in the Bronx exiled for his consensual relationship with 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:37.000 a sex worker while undercover, this guy was exiled for 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.919 being a whistleblower. He made a lot of noise and 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.920 the Twelfth precinct about them cooking their books, and Benson's like, yeah, 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.720 you transfer a whistleblower, but like putting him in a 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:48.640 rubber room that feels. 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:49.399 You know, excessive. 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:53.160 Cassidy's like, yeah, after the Twelfth got rid of him, 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.240 he didn't take the hint and he went to Internal 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:59.440 Affairs and that's the land of Ed Tucker, and Cassidy 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.159 is torn because he's like, well, maybe he is crazy, 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.040 but maybe I should go to IA and tell them 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.080 what I saw and then live in kind of a 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.760 real turn goes You're gonna go to IA, like they 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:12.760 took your shield, and he's like, but what if Groves 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.480 is telling the truth. And She's suddenly like, dude, isn't 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:17.560 there someone else who can help him, Like, doesn't he 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.919 have a PBA or a lawyer or some family. She's like, 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:22.760 you got to look out for you and for me. 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.840 Fuck this guy. It's very wild to see our Queen 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:27.560 of Justice do like a one to eighty. Like you 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.199 would assume she'd be like, yeah, you should probably go 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.160 tell someone, but they are in a phase right now 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.640 of all hating Tucker. So Live shows up at work 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.280 and Rollins is like, how's the move going, and Lives 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.240 like it's good, but I haven't had a roommate since 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.399 the academy and I forgot that. Like Benson really, like 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.520 we've seen she's sort of dated and hooked up with 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.760 random people, but she hasn't lived with any of these dudes. 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:50.200 And Cassidy's her first living boyfriend and she's like forty 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:54.600 four or forty five, so she's really excited. And the 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.280 Gallas chat about how many T shirts Cassidy has and 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.840 it's like, I get it. There's so many their color 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.040 coded so he can find them. Wait who color coded them? 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:04.400 I originally did? 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.200 And then he keeps it up nice. 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:07.480 I was just like, you got to keep all the 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.000 black ones together, all the great You can't be like 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:11.399 rifling through, you know, like so we do it by color. 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.280 Rollin's funnily is like, you know, you can just throw 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:15.960 them away a few at a time and the guy's 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:18.000 never notice. And I kind of like that little girl 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:22.200 talk between them in Saunters ed Tucker and Rollins is 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.600 he's on rollins shit list right now too, because they 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.560 recently had beef in the previous season in the episode 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:31.520 Deadly Ambition where Kim does something to fuck Amanda over 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.119 and it got her in trouble with IAB again. So 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.560 Tucker is there to see Craigan and he's like going 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:39.680 in for a closed door meeting, but he's like, Benson, 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:43.359 you two, so what's up. Tucker goes, I have a 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.520 problem and I need your help. And they're doing some 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:48.680 zooming camera work to let you know done done. We're 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:50.159 about to take you to the credits. You're not going 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:52.920 to get what you want right away, so credit time. 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.760 And now Tucker's there and he goes, we got a 0:22:55.800 --> 0:23:00.119 CompStat issue in the twelfth and CompStat is at I 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:01.360 don't know if we've talked about this on the pod. 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.119 I'm just going to say it again. It is short 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.879 for because they do talk about it in the episode Limitations, 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.359 where the statute of limitations is running out on all 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:14.040 of those sexual assaults. There's a CompStat meeting, and CompStat 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:16.920 stands for compare stats, and it is a police management 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:20.400 system set up by the NYPD in the nineties where 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:23.320 they keep a daily updated digital record of crimes reported, 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.960 and in weekly meetings, the leadership gathers to review the 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.840 trends that the data shows. Some people have argued that 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.960 this has decreased crime because the cops can find patterns 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.119 and know what to be aware of, but it's also 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.679 been criticized for leading to data manipulation and increase stop 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.920 and frisks and stuff like that, So I don't think 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:45.280 it's a perfect system by any stretch anyway. Obviously, Benson's 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.560 ears perk up when she hears him mention the twelve 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.560 because her live in boyfriend was just talking about that. 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.280 He says, some of the cops in the unit are 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.399 losing complaints. They had a key witness who yesterday was 0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:59.679 forcibly institutionalized and medicated, and they're like, what does this 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:01.399 have to do with us? And the reason that s 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:04.600 FE is being brought in is because sexual assault stats 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:07.560 have seen a drop over there, so are they really 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:11.480 dropping what's going on? The witness and the whistleblower. Groves 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:15.560 claimed that a woman named Tanya Jenkins reported a rape 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:18.440 that was never entered into the complaint system. So this 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.880 is what Groves went to Tucker about. He hands Lives 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.280 some paperwork, but liv is like, this is a complaint 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:28.639 against Tanya Jenkins for assaulting a Cabby. Tucker's like, I 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.760 think there might be more to it. We need you 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.080 to go check it out. And she's like, now, this 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.600 is from Christmas and this is I think a September 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.040 or October in the show. And she's like, how long 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:40.080 have you been sitting on this at IAB And he goes, 0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:43.040 you do your job, I'll do mine. And it's like, okay, 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:45.320 but your job is sitting on shit for too long. 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.560 You're making her job harder. And he goes, she's a 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.520 possible rape victim. I thought you'd be sympathetic. So Benson's like, 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.040 all right, I'll take it. And now they do this 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.880 little camera trick where the camera balances off of Benson 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:57.560 and back around. We think it's going to be Tucker, 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.280 but no, now it's Rowlin Tomorrow and Finn We're all 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.280 in Craigan's office and Amarro's like, IA is setting us up, 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:05.639 Like they're trying to I don't know, they're setting us 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.480 up to fail or something, and Cragan's just like, just 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:10.560 play it by the book. Dot your eyes, cross your 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.280 t's and Benson's like, look, we've all heard rumors about 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.199 the twelfth. If they're covering up rapes, they got to 0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:18.159 go down. Finn's not feeling it already. He's like, I 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:20.000 hate it here. I don't want to work on this case. 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:22.600 Craigan sends Finn and Rollins to go talk to the 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.360 Cabby Benson and Tomorrow go talk to Tanya, this woman 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:29.240 who allegedly made this report. In the next scene, Benson 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.720 has clearly already given Tomorrow some of the teas, so 0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.520 he's like, whoa you think Cassidy went to IAB And 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:37.600 she's like, I don't know. And Cassidy's not answering his phone. 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.639 She's clearly irritated because you know, their boyfriend girlfriend and 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:43.160 Sirius end roommates and he needs to answer her phone. 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:46.320 Amorro's like, does Tucker, no, you two are roomies, and 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.040 she throws him the keys and is like take sixth Avenue, 0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:50.520 like she's not going to get into it with him. 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.639 So now we're talking to the cabby. He's telling the 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.000 tale of a New York City good time gal. This 0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:59.000 girl is drunk, she is puking, she has no money, 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.760 and she swings on him, so he throws her out 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:05.520 of the cab. And the two girls. It's so funny 0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:08.120 because I've spent so many nights in New York way 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.159 drunker than I should be. I've been dressed like a 0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.800 little slutty, and I if I get drunk and I 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:15.840 throw up, I'm always like, do somebody take me home? 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:18.600 Like my late last instinct is to fight someone. I'm 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:20.919 always my first instinct is always like can I have 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.080 a hug? Like I don't know, I'm not. I'm just 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:26.080 not that that's not my vibe. But the two cops 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:28.880 who pulled up told the cabby, you should follow charges 0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:30.920 in case she tries to accuse you of something later. 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.520 But then a week later she hasn't done anything, so 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.080 he dropped the charges. He's like, I don't want to 0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:36.960 go to court, and he goes, I don't know what 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:38.920 happened to her. I drove off and the cops dealt 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.440 with her. So now we're talking to Tanya and she's 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:44.560 a very pretty redhead and a business attire on the street, 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.520 and she's confused why Benson and Tomorrow are all up 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:48.040 in her business. 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:48.800 She's like, the. 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.080 Cabby dropped the charges. It was my fault. I was drunk. 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:53.560 I'm going to meetings now. And they're like, well, we 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:55.040 just want to know what happened to you that night, 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.160 and she goes, you can tell them I said nothing happened, 0:26:58.480 --> 0:26:59.639 and then she's like, I gotta go. 0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:00.440 I'm for work. 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:02.119 You know, nobody ever has time to talk to the 0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.040 cops in New York. And she's like a bat out 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.880 of hell, and Benson is like, Okay, something definitely happened 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.919 the way that she worded it, saying tell them I 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:13.080 said nothing happened. So they think maybe the cops wanted 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.520 to keep stats down told her to drop the whole 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:18.240 thing or she'd be charged with assault. But if she 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:20.760 was raped, then her rapist is out there. Let's go 0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.639 talk to the responding officers. Their names are West and Quinn, 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:25.960 so they head over to the twelfth Fun fact, I 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.439 did look it up, and the twelfth Precinct does not exist. 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:33.119 In Manhattan and Lisa yours is the ninth. Just FYI, wow, 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:34.919 I need you to know your precinct so that you 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.560 can call them if you have to. So over at 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:41.679 the twelfth they are talking to Lieutenant Terrence Wood, who 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.840 was played by Lance Roberts and I don't know much 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.679 else about him, but that's who plays him. And he 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:51.520 he's like, yeah, we're looking for a Cabby. We're looking 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:53.400 at him for a string of rapes. And the guy's like, yeah, 0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:55.719 there's a lot of nightclubs around here. The weekends are 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.000 a zoo. And they're like, oh, yeah, you could talk 0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:00.960 to West and Quinn. He calls them in and Quinn. 0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:03.560 They give her first name in the wiki that her 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.040 name is Ryan Quinn, which I like a woman's name 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.680 in a man's profession. And she is played by Nadia Dejohnny, 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:11.920 who I know her from a lot of things. She 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:16.199 has a very prolific IMDb, but iconically she is Nina Katz, 0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:18.840 the Saturday Night Live booker who made the face in 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:23.760 Sex and the City. I always think of her like 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:24.399 that character. 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.679 One of my favorite lines from the show is in 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.720 that episode where that, like Carrie there a meal. 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:31.640 She's talking about it, and. 0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:38.080 Charlotte goes, I mean, it could be Bell's palsy, and 0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.880 Carrie has to go, it's not Bell's paulsy. 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.320 You definitely told me that before that. 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:45.320 You love that line because you know, I had a 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:47.600 friend in college who woke up one day with Bell's 0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:49.959 palsy and just half her face was just like drooping. 0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:53.680 It went away after a few weeks, but it was crazy, 0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:55.360 like when she would smile, it would be like this. 0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.440 No. I actually for some reason, I don't I can't 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.800 pinpoint any actual information, but I feel it came into 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.680 my brain recently of someone like, Yeah, you just have 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:07.520 to get used to your face being droopy, like your 0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.000 life changes, like people look at you different. And then 0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:14.160 it goes back, like, yeah, you suddenly live a life 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:16.680 as a droopy like people will look at you different. 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:21.120 It's wild to experience that kind of shift in perspective. 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:22.800 You know, it doesn't happen often. Yeah, and then it 0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:25.160 goes away, hopefully. I mean, I don't know much about 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:25.800 Bell's policy. 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:27.240 Yeah, I don't know enough about it. It might not 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:27.960 always go away. 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:29.880 Charlotte's just annoying. It's like, why are you giving this 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:31.600 bitch the benefit of the doubt. Your friend is sitting 0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.680 right there. Yeah, I just like, why are you defending 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:37.240 Nina Cats. You don't even fucking know her? If that 0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.160 is an issue for me, Oh, are you sure she 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.120 wasn't having a bad day. No, I just told you 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.000 she was a bitch and you better have my side. 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:45.680 I don't care if that's toxic. 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:47.440 That show is like Seinfeld. 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:49.480 It does such a good job if somebody can be 0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:51.959 in one episode and not even in that much of it. 0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.880 And when I see this actress, Nadia de Johnny, I go, 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.560 Nina Cats, that's a good Cats. Like everywhere I see her, 0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.240 it's like you're like, oh, that's man hands, you know, 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.440 It's like you just know they do such a good job. 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.520 Yeah, there's the guy with the funky taste thing spunk. 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:10.400 Yeah me, Bob Bobby Kenavalli's so bad, one of the 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.640 greatest actors, and just be like, oh my god, we're the. 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:14.840 Funky tasting spunk. 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.720 Like nothing about all the stage work he's done, like 0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:18.440 so much. 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:23.040 So. 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:27.760 Quinn is Nina Katz and the other cop West is 0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.680 played by David Conrad, who I thought I recognized him, 0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:32.600 but when I look up his Instagram it's like he 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:34.240 has a small part in wedding crashers, but he was 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.120 a regular on The Ghost Whisperer, and to me, he 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.040 just has like generic handsome man vibes. 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:40.360 He kind of looks a little bit like all of 0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:40.840 her Hudson. 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:42.720 He looks like a bunch of different, like sort of 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.640 hot cop type guys that could be in procedurals and stuff. 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:49.600 And he remembers Tanya. When they see her face. At first, 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.640 they're like, oh my god, we pick up ten drunk 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:53.600 girls all the time. But then they see Tanya has 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:55.800 picture and they're like, oh, she was a mess. She 0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.200 was drunk, she was covered in vomit. They didn't bring 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.520 her in because with the binge drinker, they kind of 0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:04.880 have a catch and release policy. And the lieutenant says, 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:07.360 I try to tell my guys to make sure to 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:09.640 get them home safe, but you know, like we can't 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:11.920 really bring it in process like every drunk girl on 0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.520 a Saturday night. So they realized that the cops are 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:16.880 the ones that took them home. And Quinn's like, oh, yeah, 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:18.840 she couldn't have made it on her own. She was 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:22.320 drunk and sloppy. That's easy prey. So they just keep 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.520 talking about how wasted this girl was. The next scene, 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.200 Amanda's like, you think these unis bury to rape, but 0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.120 Olivia is like, yeah, I mean the cops are the 0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:32.280 ones who brought her home, and then they double check, 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.320 and the cabby had an airport run right after he 0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:36.600 dropped her off, and then he went from JFK to Westchester, 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:40.000 so the cabby definitely didn't do anything. So if this 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.120 woman reported a sexual assault the next day, who else 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.080 would it have been from unless it happened in the club. 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.240 Craigan tells them to compare precinct blogs to nine one 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.200 one calls and see if someone called in a sexual 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:53.360 assault that somehow got dropped. Amarrow offers to do the 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:55.840 checking with Rollin so that Benson can go home and 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.320 have some you know, cute sea time with her boyfriend 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:01.480 because they just moved it back at home, Live is 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:05.120 unpacking books. Sadly, the longhorned skeleton has made its way 0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:09.240 onto the wall above the television. Cassidy gets home and 0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:11.720 apologizes for being late. He was like, it was a 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:13.560 bitch of a day, and Lives like, yeah, it must 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:15.440 have been. I've been calling your ass all day, and 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.520 he's like oh, I called you back, but we kept 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.880 missing each other. And then he changes the subject and 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:21.000 he's like, this place looks great. 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:24.760 How are you trying to lie to fucking Benson right now? Yeah? 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.720 Like, stop, You've never been that good of a cop 0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:28.440 compared to Benson. 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.720 You're not going to get anything past her. Yeah. 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.560 So she tells him about Tucker's little visit to the 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:37.480 squad and it turns out Groves was onto something, and 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.040 then she just point blank goes, did you go to Tucker? 0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:43.040 And he goes, no, Tucker came to me tonight. That's 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:43.680 why I'm late. 0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:47.280 Tucker wants Cassidy to go undercover at the twelfth, but 0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.840 Cassidy said, fuck no, I don't trust them. You don't 0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:53.560 trust them, and then lives like, oh about that. It 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.080 looks like two cops from the twelfth may have coerced 0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:58.960 this victim into dropping a sexual assault complaint. So I 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.040 am working that case and Cassidy's like, what the fuck 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:04.080 You're allowed to work with iab but I'm not. And 0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:05.840 then Benson gets a text in the middle of this 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:09.000 little tiff and she's got a bounce. Rollin's found something 0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:12.360 we all know. Rollins is you know a computer expert 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:14.440 or whatever. That's not even really what she was doing. 0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.440 But at the precinct everyone is gathered for this late 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:19.920 night meeting and Rollins is like, sorry to drag you 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:21.960 all back in, and Finn goes, no, you're not, that's 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.240 your thing, and that really made me laugh, Like how 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.600 many times has Rolin's been like, this can't be a text? 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:31.600 Everybody meet back at the squad. So Rollin says she 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:34.320 checked Anye on one calls. There were no sexual assault reports, 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:38.280 but there were two bogus sounding calls, both from Tanya's block. 0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:41.480 One was like a homeless person and another was a 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:45.080 noise complaint, and West and Quinn responded to both, which 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.680 puts them on her block for basically the whole night. 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.800 And they're in luck. The apartment building next door has 0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.719 security cameras and boy are they high definition, and they 0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:59.040 still have the footage from nine months ago. Perfect The 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:04.320 footage show them bringing Tanya home and guess what, West 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.080 went back. That's the mail cop. It's kind of confusing 0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:08.960 because Quinn and West seem like similar names to me. 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:12.600 West is the man cop. He went back in twice. 0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:15.640 They get her upstairs, then Quinn, the female officer comes 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:17.880 down after fifteen minutes and leaves her buddy West up 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:20.440 there for thirty minutes. Then they respond to a nine 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.719 to one one call, and then after that Wes goes 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:24.960 back up to her apartment for another hour. Then they 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:27.799 respond to another call from the same payphone, and he 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.400 goes up for another forty minutes, which this is like 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.120 so horrifying to me, Like, first of all, it's the 0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:34.840 most horrific abuse of power for it to be a 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.160 police officer, but then that they also might just be 0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:41.520 like returning throughout the night. So the precinct reception does 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:44.279 have a record of Tanya Jenkins signing in the next day, 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.399 which is when Grove said she reported, and the log 0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:49.279 shows that she was there for over an hour, but 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.040 there's no record of who she spoke with, so they 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.120 must have gone her to kill the complaint and then 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:55.279 they scared the shit out of her. 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:58.520 Finn's like, hold up, this isn't for us. This is ia. 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:00.680 They're the ones that go after cops lives Like they're 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:04.759 not cops, they're rapists. So now they're playing these nine 0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:07.600 to one one calls and they're definitely Quinn, the female 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:09.880 officer's voice like you can just hear it's her voice. 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:12.600 And they're laying out all their findings for Tucker and 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.560 he's like, yeah, all these tapes prove are misconduct, Like 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:18.920 that's this isn't enough, and they're like, he goes, it 0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.640 was eight months ago. There's no rape kit. She was drunk. 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:26.239 She's a reluctant, unreliable witness against two decorated cops. And 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.759 they're like, well, someone told her to keep her mouth shut. 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:31.040 So Live wants to talk to Tanya again, and Tucker's like, 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:33.200 slow down. These cops are going to lawyer up if 0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.000 they think they're suspects, but let's just get all our 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.239 ducks in the row before we pounce. And then he 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.439 asked Benson, why don't you walk me out? The mood 0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:44.320 is kind of tense, so Tucker goes, so that boyfriend 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:46.759 of yours even for a mick, he's thick, But what 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:47.399 does that mean? 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:48.040 What's a mick? 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.879 Nick is a slur of Irish people, but I think 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.719 Tucker is also Irish Catholics, so maybe he's allowed to 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.560 say that. But I looked it up and mick is 0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:58.799 like an abbreviation for Michael, and since Michael is such 0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:00.920 a popular Irish name. It's like a Mick is a 0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:05.319 Irish person, but it's derogatory, you know, so even for 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.360 a Mick, he's thick. The guy says, which is so 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.920 funny because I'm like, didn't we arrest your priest in 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:13.399 another episode? Like you are Irish Catholic as well? And 0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:16.320 so Live's taken aback and Tucker's like, I don't know 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.680 if she's more taken aback that he's calling him that word, 0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.600 or that he knows about their relationship. But Tucker's like, 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.040 if he goes under for me, he gets his shield back, 0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:27.440 and he won't commit because he thinks there's bad blood 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:30.280 between us. And in a very tailor moment, because Mushka 0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:31.920 was in the bad Blood video and I thought you 0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:36.760 might like the connect, Lisa, you're right. Tucker is pitching 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.799 it to Benson as Cassidy's redemption, Like we get him 0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:42.200 in there, he partners with Wes, he builds trust, he 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.759 gets an admission, maybe even catches them in the act 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:46.680 and Live goes yeah, and then he has to wrap 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.479 them out and Tucker's like, which is surprising. Tucker goes 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.840 thin blue line crap from you, like they're rapists. And 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.360 I'm also shocked that Live is like, oh, yeah, you 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.160 don't wrap people out. It's like you just said they're 0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.720 not cops the rapist, So who cares if you like, Oh. 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:04.279 This happens where it's like every few years Benson does 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:09.520 something not characteristic. Yeah, totally goes against her moral, ethical, 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:13.400 professional codes, her better instincts. Like it is strange, and 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:15.720 I don't know if it's like that is how humans 0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:18.400 are and sometimes you fuck up, or you're influenced in 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.040 a weird way, or if it's the writer's being bad. 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:25.480 I also feel like it's kind of like a setup 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:28.120 that Cassidy's not the right guy for her in a way, 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.000 like she's always having to kind of like make excuses 0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:34.160 for him and be like yeah, but he doesn't want 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.640 to do that, or like even later in this episode, 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.040 I have more examples, like I just think they're kind 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.880 of setting it up that like, yeah, we want her 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.120 to be happy, but this isn't the guy, you know, like. 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.279 To me, no, but she knew he wasn't the guy 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.320 season one. It is crazy that they ended up getting 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.160 back together. I'm doing all these things because like she 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:56.840 knew that he was beneath her in nineteen ninety nine and. 0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:00.719 Like him going undercover and having a consensual relationship with 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:03.279 an escort, that's what brought her around, like it's kind 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.920 of wild. That's what made her be like, maybe he 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:10.000 is different, maybe he's my guy. It doesn't it really 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:10.680 doesn't make sense. 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:11.080 I don't know. 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:14.359 Maybe they were having an issue in the writer's room, 0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.960 but either way, Tucker offers to put her in tomorrow 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.920 on backup, and he wants Benson to convince Cassidy to 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:22.400 do it. He's like, you want him up at that 0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.759 Bronx courthouse till he breaks like Groves did. And it's like, 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:28.520 we're not even positive anything's wrong with Groves, Like this 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:30.640 feels like we're gonna get to the bottom of this. 0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:34.400 But anyway, now we're at the twelfth and that lieutenant 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:37.280 is welcoming Cassidy and some little dude to the precinct 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:39.920 and the lieutenant goes, this is what I get for 0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:43.279 getting good stats rookie screw ups and burnouts, and then 0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.839 he goes no offense, but Cassidy goes none taken, Sir, 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:48.239 I know I got to earn my way back in. 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:50.840 Thanks for giving me the chance and so they partner 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.759 Quinn with the little guy, and they partner. 0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:54.560 Cassidy with Wes. 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.160 West goes, oh, the guy who got busted with hookers 0:38:58.160 --> 0:38:59.880 is trying to earn his way back into the department's 0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:03.239 graces and West is like, oh, if they put you 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.120 on the back on the beat at your age, put 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:07.880 in for your twenty. So it's like he's shading him 0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:13.320 all over the place, age past everything. So they're walking 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:16.040 outside and West's like, I decide where we patrol when 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:19.120 we stop to piss, like it's my I'm the boss. Whatever, 0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:21.200 and then he goes and no personal talk. I don't 0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:23.680 care about your kids, and Cassidy's like same here and 0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:24.560 I'm not a dad. 0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:25.920 This is a quote. 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.880 So Wes goes that prosty you got busted for banging? 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.320 Was she as hot as she looked? So it's like, 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:33.239 are you a fan of his or what? Like was 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:35.160 this in the newspaper that they were hooking? Like it 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.799 doesn't that's weird, Like did you just hear that through 0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:41.440 police gossip? Like I don't understand how he knows that 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:45.560 that's Cassidy. And Cassidy's like, screw you, but yeah, like 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:47.640 he's trying to set the stage like I'm a dirt 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:50.200 bag like you are. So we continue to hear these 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:52.920 two chat as Benson and Tomorrow are listening in from 0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.760 a car park nearby. Amorrow thinks this guy is gonna 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:58.120 give Cassidy shit, but Benson's like, I think he'll be 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:00.920 just fine. If I know any thing about my boyfriend, 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:02.439 it's that he knows how to act like a dirt 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:07.320 bag when he's undercover. So as they cruise around, Cassidy 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.439 cuts right to the chase. He goes, you guys, bust 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:11.680 any working girls around here. It's like day one on 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:14.440 the job. He's like, not even chilling for a second 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:17.040 before he tries to just get in there with these people. 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.280 Wes is like, yeah, you can just watch the club girls. 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.839 They get drunk next morning, walk of shame, they get 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:26.239 buyer's remorse, like this one. He honks and pulls over, 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.319 and it's fucking Tanya walking down the street, Like we 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.520 live in Daniel Tiger's fucking neighborhood and there's only ten 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:32.920 people that live in New York. Like Tanya's just walking 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.719 down the street. He pulls over. It's like Tanya, she 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:37.960 looks terrified and she's like, I just want to go home, 0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:40.120 and he's like, you're still going to meetings and she's 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:42.600 like six months, one day at a time, and then 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:45.600 she like scurries off, like you could tell she's not 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.839 cool with seeing this guy. And he's like, I'm here 0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:51.320 if you need a friend, Like he's an absolute psycho 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:55.240 that is getting off on like sort of psychologically torturing 0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:58.440 this girl. Cassidy tries to get him to say something 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.440 more about Tanya. We're not there yet. The guy's not 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:03.239 giving it up. The money in the bank has not 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:07.120 been deposited in the other car. Benson is getting the 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.040 whole picture. First, this guy rapes Tanya, then he harasses 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.040 her with pretending to look out for her. This is 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.840 about control, intimidation and a complete abuse of power. And 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.640 Tomorrow's like, yeah, it's gross, but it's not enough, Like 0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:20.640 we don't have enough on this. Like so back to 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:23.640 Cassidy and West prowling the streets, and Cassidy's like, when 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:25.440 is shit gonna pick up? It's my first day on 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:27.560 the job and I would just love to use my 0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:31.720 power to sexually assault someone. And this guy also doesn't 0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:33.960 for one second think that it's weird that he got 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:36.239 placed with like a horny new partner. A few days 0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.920 after s Fu was stiffing around asking questions about Tanya, 0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.680 like you will never be promoted to detective bro, like 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.840 you are dumb. So in the other car, Amorro's like 0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:48.399 asking Live about the new living situation, and she's like, yeah, 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:49.960 it's nice to have someone to come home to, and 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:51.319 Tomorrow's like, yeah, I miss it. 0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:53.160 It's like you are bad to be married too. 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.719 And then it's like it's one thing to be like 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:57.960 how's your new living situation, it's another to be like, 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:00.960 how's therapy going? You like your therapist? Tell me about 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.120 therapy live and she's like, you know, I sent a 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:06.399 dozen or more survivors to mister Noodle and it turns 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:08.440 out I was right. He's really good. I feel very 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:11.000 safe there. And Amar's like, you know, I'm here if 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.680 you ever want to talk about anything live, and she's like, 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:15.480 you know, what has actually been great is that you 0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:17.920 treat me normal like so, don't get all weird now, 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:19.880 just like be cool, be normal, treat me like you 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:23.400 always have. So we cut to Cassidy and west Wienermobile, 0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:26.319 where a call comes in about a drunken disorderly on 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.160 ganz Afort, which is the meatpacking district where a lot 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:32.920 of clubs are, and when they get there, a girl 0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:36.760 is wasted in a tight dress. She's fighting with some guys, 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:40.960 calling them losers. This actress's name is Danielle Delaco, and 0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.480 I think she used to date the comedian Dan Soder 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:45.879 because I remember being in a green room with him 0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:49.000 and he goes he knew I liked SVU and told 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.000 me his girlfriend's going to be on an episode like 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:51.959 this week or next week. 0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:54.280 She plays a drunk girl, like yelling at the cops 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:54.760 or whatever. 0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:56.960 So I remember when I watched the episode, I was like, 0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.480 that's Dan's girlfriend, and I did get it confirmed in 0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:01.800 a deep expanse of Reddit that I did not appreciate 0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:05.680 having to go to anyway. This girl's name is Gretchen, 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:09.239 and she says that guy grabbed my ass, the wrong guy, 0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:11.800 and Cassidy's like, what about the right one? Like Cassidy 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:15.120 just blatantly, out loud flirting with this girl, and the 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.400 girl's like okay, like she's kind of into it. Lives 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:20.640 in the car listening to him flirt with this girl, 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.200 and yes, it's for an operation, but like how many 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:25.080 times do we have to make Olivia listen to him 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:26.680 while he's undercover trying to fuck people? 0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:28.080 Like she deserves better than this. 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:33.120 Gretchen says, nice upgrade on your partner to West. So 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:35.560 I guess we're to believe that they know each other, 0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.919 Gretchen and West, and that they've met before. So they 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.839 load her into the car and now we're at her 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.560 home and West tells Cassidy, you chill down here. If 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:46.840 I'm not back in twenty minutes, spring me with a 0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:50.319 bogus call. She can get clingy. So Lives like, are 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:52.279 we just gonna let this happen? And Amarro's like it 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:55.319 sounds consensual. This girl wants to fuck cops for some 0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:58.520 reason and they have a history, and Live is like 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:01.400 she's drunk, she can't and Tomorrow's like, but so are 0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:02.960 half the people on the street tonight who are going 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:03.760 home no have sex. 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:07.720 So Quinn rolls up with her shorty. 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:11.080 In her police car and asks Cassidy is everything all right? 0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:14.120 Like she's kind of feeling out if Cassidy's cool with 0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:17.000 the situation, like you're playing lookout, you get that right, 0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:18.920 And she says, you know, not to put this in 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.520 the memo book, and Cassidy goes, what memo book? It's 0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:25.880 very uh Mountain dew baby, And so liv wants to 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:29.640 send Cassidy up there, and Tomorrow's like no, they're testing him, 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.959 Like we cannot send him up. So when Wes gets 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.399 back in the car, Cassidy's like, my turn, and he goes, 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.160 next time, my girl Quinny needs back up. So they 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.839 take off and we meet up with Quinn and her 0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:43.320 new partner, the short Man. She tells her guy listen 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:45.600 to the radio, and then she does like an exploding 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.239 fist bump with West. I bet that they choreographed that together. 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:49.560 I don't think that was in the script. Like it's 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:52.600 like this little hand gesture that they do together. And 0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:54.879 Cassidy's like, I don't know what's going on right now. 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:58.960 West and Quinn bring him upstairs to a brothel. Baby. 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:03.400 It is a dark dark room. Sex workers are everywhere. 0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:06.719 A girl comes up and introduces herself to Cassidy as Lilah, 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:11.080 and holy shit, it is trace lysette an icon. I'm 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.200 very excited to see this movie Monica that she's in 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:16.480 that is coming out. It's getting raves on the festival circuit. 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:20.600 But we know her from Transparent. She's an icon and 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:24.640 she takes Cassidy to the back while Quinn and West 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.960 just like watch him walk away. So they're making sure 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:29.359 that he's going to go through with it to prove 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:30.840 he's not a rat, Like they can't just be like 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:32.640 go up there, and you know, they're like really kind 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:36.239 of walking into the back room, and then yeah, we 0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:38.760 cut to one of the most awkward moments where Tomorrow 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.279 and Live are in the car listening to Cassidy get 0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.040 it on with Lilah and he's like, yeah, right there, 0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:47.160 like you're hearing details, and Tomorrow's like he's just working 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.040 and Lives like I know, I know, it's fine, and 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:51.239 it's like, you know, she doesn't feel great about it. 0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:55.520 Now that's the end of act two. So now Cassidy 0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:58.239 is bidding farewell to Lilah and he's like how much 0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:00.319 do we owe? And West's like it's on the house. 0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:03.759 It's a mutually beneficial arrangement, and Quinn goes call it 0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:09.239 quid pro ho wordplay. At the precinct, Cassidy walks in 0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:11.120 and tries to tell Live about what she heard. He's like, 0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:12.600 you know what you heard on the radio, and she's like, 0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:14.200 I don't want to talk about it. Tucker's here, like, 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:16.040 let's get in the office. So now we're all in 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:20.000 Cragan's office, Tucker, the gang, Cassidy. Tucker's like, I listened 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:23.200 the whole night. We're talking maybe dereliction of duty here. 0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:26.799 It's not enough And they're like what about Tanya? And 0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:29.279 Tucker's like, that's subjective. You know that he pulled up 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.200 on Tanya and it's like harassing her a little bit. 0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:34.600 Amaro goes, well, he earned their trust like Cassidy did. 0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:37.840 Like these guys are going to slip up eventually. Tucker's like, 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:41.400 with all due your unit's under coverability with escorts, they 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:43.640 might slip up or he might referring to Cassidy and 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:46.759 it's like, did you or did you not beg him 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:49.279 to do this? Like he had to get it done 0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:49.960 on night one? 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.640 Is that it? Like what kind of undercover operation is this? 0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:54.600 It's like, there's not enough. I sent you in there 0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:57.319 for one shift. Why didn't you find everything? It's like 0:46:57.640 --> 0:46:59.719 you begged him, You went around his back to his 0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:01.839 girl friend and begged her to get him to do it. 0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:03.799 And now you're like, you guys aren't very good at this. 0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:08.880 It's like really wild. So either way, if they make Cassidy, 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:10.680 the whole investigation is going to go to shit. 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:12.440 And they're like, what whole investigation? 0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:14.920 And Tucker admits, He's like, yeah, it turns out some 0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.760 stuff quote unquote shook loose and there's more moving pieces 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.799 than expected, so there might be more girls, and then 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:23.960 the victims are all going to be drunk and scared 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.439 like Tanya. And Finn's like, well, if that's the case, 0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:27.880 then why don't you set up a honeytrap? 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.840 And of course pick me Girl of the Century goes. 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:35.800 Drunken, disorderly. Pick me, I can do that. Rollins wants 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:40.320 to do undercover drunk work, so we cut to West's 0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:43.080 and Cassidy on the beat. They get a call about 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:46.760 another drunk hottie. They take the call, Quinn responds as backup. 0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:50.400 When they arrive, it's Amanda undercover as a drunk bitch. 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.160 Finn is her driver, but they are fighting because she 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.840 fucked up his car or something. They break it up 0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.000 and they tell Rollin's to come with them. She's wearing 0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:02.600 a wild wig. Leans over to buckle Amanda in and 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:04.800 he goes I don't know what it is with you 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:09.920 women low self esteem? And it's like, what, like, if anything, 0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:12.440 I think she has high self esteem that she's going 0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:14.560 out on the town partying, she's by herself, she could 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:17.000 take care of herself. And she's like, this guy is 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:18.719 trying to say I just like wrong, I'm gonna fuck 0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:20.600 with him right back. I don't know. I don't think 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:23.279 it's low self esteem, but this man clearly does not 0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:26.160 respect women. He's touching her leg as he buckles her in. 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:27.879 He goes, we can work something out when we get 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:29.759 you home, and then he gets in the car and 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:32.560 he's like, I got her license, her house keys, her address, 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:35.400 Like he's got everything. So Finn is back at the 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.160 house with Craigan and they're watching this whole op go down, 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:42.239 and Finn goes, yeah, Quinn didn't threaten me, but she 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.440 told me to stop picking up drunk white women. So 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:49.080 you know, probably a good, good idea. They bring Rollin's 0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:51.880 into this apartment and layer on the bed. What are 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:54.600 these apartments? Have we talked about this before, Like, is 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:57.160 this just like an apartment that they have set up 0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:59.680 for or is this like one of the uniformed officers 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:02.800 like you can use my apartment. I you know, like 0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:04.520 like how much do they set dress it? 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:06.160 Do they have pictures of rollins up? 0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:08.920 Like I'm wondering, you know, like how much do they 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:11.840 these little stinghouses. If you're on the police force and 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.080 you know, please let me know, or if you're in 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:16.880 detective or lawyering, let me know when they do these 0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:19.719 kind of like undercover sting things and somebody has to 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:23.360 have because like we've seen Stabler for example, in like 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:25.680 a shitty bachelor pad where it's like or a or 0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:29.080 a motel or something whatever, when it's like some girls 0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:31.000 like cute apartment and it's supposed to like have a 0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:33.320 bedspread and like look like she lives there by herself. 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:34.640 What are they doing? 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:36.520 Are the airbnbing? Who's to say? 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:40.080 So they bring rollins in to this fake apartment. They 0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:42.440 lie her on the bed and West is talking about 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:43.959 this is great because we don't even have to hose 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.640 this one down, so you can tell they're really taking 0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:48.719 home like girls that have been sick and stuff. And 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.600 Tanya had been. Cassidy goes, what if we get a call, 0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:53.000 and he goes, we can always come back. 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:53.920 I've got her keys. 0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:56.520 So then he tells Cassidy get out of here, give 0:49:56.520 --> 0:49:59.160 me fifteen minutes with her. Then he gets a message 0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.160 on his phone. He goes, I have to make a call. 0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:03.319 Why don't you have at it? And he goes, quote 0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:07.640 unquote warmer up for me. Barf so in the car 0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:12.400 Olivia doesn't like how he's making Cassidy go first. He's like, 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:15.000 something's up, Like this guy doesn't want sloppy seconds, like 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.880 what's happening. Cassidy is going through the motions of like 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:19.840 you know, kind of getting on top of Rollins, and 0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:23.040 Rollins is like no, stop, like they're acting. They obviously 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.239 know each other, but they're trying to keep his cover 0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:28.080 because West is right outside her open bedroom door taking 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:31.080 this phone call. He interrupts them and goest, I got 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:31.399 a call. 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:32.040 We gotta go. 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:35.279 Everyone is confused why Wes would possibly pass up like 0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:38.040 hot drunk Rollins on a platter and lives like I 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:40.160 think they've made Cassidy like we're in trouble. 0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:42.879 Yeah, it's like he did come on strong, but also 0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:45.160 it seems like they want him to fuck everyone immedia 0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:46.680 or rape them immediately too. 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:49.760 Yeah, because it's like they just came asking about Tanya 0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:51.919 maybe you guys take a week off, take a week 0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:54.000 off of grabbing girls from the clubs, Like, just take 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.799 a little bit of time off. But they're like immediately 0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:59.080 back at it. But I get why when you find 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:02.200 out what's happening later, kind of get why. So West 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.840 is like rushing down the stairwell with Cassidy and Quinn 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:08.000 shows up gun drawn, calling him a rat, and then 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:11.319 Wes suddenly has his gun out too. They pull off 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:14.959 Cassidy's bag. It comes apart like a paper mache. 0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:16.600 Piece of nothing. 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:17.000 Like. 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:20.120 They just touch his badge and it's like flute opens up. 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:22.839 There's a wire, like they can tell he's been recording them. 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:26.239 They march him out of there at gunpoint, and fuck now, 0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:29.200 we're worried because nobody wants to see Cassidy. He does 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:31.080 have a texa, a long horned skull, but we don't 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:33.440 want to see him die, you know. So back at 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.080 Amanda's fake apartment and she's like, yeah, something was off. 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:39.080 It felt like Wes was playing us. Craigan radios Live 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:41.680 in Tomorrow, who report that Cassidy's wire went dead forty 0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:44.520 five seconds ago, but Quinn's car has been parked out 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:46.279 front and no one drove by, so what the hell's 0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:46.719 going on? 0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:50.360 Cut to them in a yellow cab. Quinn is driving 0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:51.160 a yellow cab. 0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:54.480 They've got Cassidy in the back and West is in 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:58.080 the front passenger seat. They made Cassidy hand over his cell. 0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:01.320 They dial nine one one and Quinn makes a fake 0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:03.640 call about a man on her fire escape with a gun. 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:06.120 She gives an address and goes and he says he's 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:08.600 coming back. Then she throws the phone out the window. 0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:12.919 Cassidy says, what I'm thinking, you're commandeering cabs and making 0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:15.080 nine to one wone calls from my phone? 0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:16.560 That's your plan? 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:18.600 Like these are the dumbest cops. 0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:19.080 Of all time. 0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:22.279 So like cause they never really explained that, like the 0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:24.600 nine one one call will be traced to his phone 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:28.000 when this is all done, So what's going on? The 0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:31.360 squad meets up to make a plan to find Cassidy 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:34.160 back in the cab. Cassidy's like, you guys got me 0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:35.840 all wrong, and they're like, we know you worked with 0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:37.080 Groves in the Bronx. 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:39.640 And Cassidy's like he's a nutjob. I don't believe anything, 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:40.080 he says. 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:43.680 The other cops find the little shorty Quinn's partner, and 0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:46.000 he's like, she got in a cab. She said it 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:48.000 was personal. I just got out of the academy three 0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:48.440 weeks ago. 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:49.719 I do whatever she tells me. 0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:53.480 And so now they're on a rooftop and at gunpoint, 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:56.239 they ask Cassidy, what did Groves tell you about us? 0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:59.080 They pistol whip his ass. He keeps saying nothing. They 0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:01.200 keep saying what did he takes? He keeps saying nothing. 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.319 Now Cassidy's down on his knees. Quinn gets on her 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.200 radio and goes shots fired and starts shooting her gun. 0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:10.520 Wes also goes, can't find my backup into his radio 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:12.480 because they're setting the scene for this to be like 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:15.560 some kind of situation where Cassidy ends up dead. Cassidy's like, 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:17.960 you're gonna shoot me in the head with my own gun, 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:19.000 and they're like, not us. 0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:20.160 The purp grabbed it. 0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:23.520 So they're like, last chance to tell us what Groves 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:26.080 told you, and Quinn starts counting down from five, and 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:28.160 when she's done, Wes goes, you want me to call 0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:30.040 in the officer down or do you want to do it? 0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:32.160 And then we hear liv go how about I call 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:36.359 it in for YOUA boom pan around to Olivia. Everybody's there. 0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:39.080 They're busted. They're like, we're on the job. It's like 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:42.040 we know you're dresses. Cops like they cuff them, they 0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:44.400 walk off, and lives like are you okay, baby, And 0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:47.560 he's like yeah, so really fucking nick of time. It 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:49.560 feels like they were going to shoot his ass. But 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:53.120 it's also like if he's wearing a wire and he's undercover, 0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:55.279 are you guys dumb? Like it is going to look 0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:58.120 bad that he died in this like shooting where there's 0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.400 no prints on the gun and there's no just of 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:01.040 the perp. 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:03.040 No footprints of the other guys. 0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:07.600 Nothing, no presence of another person, mar Tires, no nothing. 0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:10.560 It's just it is dumb decision after dumb decision. But 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:13.759 at the precinct, Tanya is there and lives like we 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:16.160 got them, we got West and Quinn. You don't have 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:17.640 to be scared, but you just got to tell me 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:19.920 what happened. And Tanya's like, oh yeah, and you'll believe 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:22.520 me and do something about it. Like she's rightfully so 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:25.560 very skeptical and does not trust cops and lives like, 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:27.759 yes I will. Will you trust me, and then you 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:30.239 know twenty five seasons of television don't lie. Of course, 0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:33.440 Tanya trusts Benson and starts talking. At first, he was 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:35.560 so nice, she said, he got me upstairs, he got 0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.360 me cleaned up. Then I remember him opening his zipper. 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:40.480 She tried to fight him off, he held her down. 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:43.120 He came back twice that night. The next day when 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.719 she went to the precinct, she spoke to Groves. He 0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:49.920 took her to his lieutenant, and that night West showed 0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:52.520 up angry and said she was a drunk slut and 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:54.759 that she should keep her mouth shut. She knew the 0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:57.200 lieutenant was bad like she. I guess got the sense 0:54:57.239 --> 0:54:59.319 of of that. But Groves, she thought was a good 0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:01.279 guy and lives like he was. 0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:01.640 Girl. 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:05.239 So I think this is shocking on this part too, 0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:06.960 because I thought this was a reveal. I didn't know 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:09.440 the lieutenant was in on this shit like I didn't. 0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:11.759 I thought the lieutenant was a good guy until just now. 0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:13.520 Yeah, I think that's the point of the show. I 0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:14.640 don't know's that's it. 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:17.319 Yeah, but the girl is saying, Tanya's going I knew 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:19.200 the lieutenant seemed like a bad guy, like there was 0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:19.959 she didn't get a good. 0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:20.960 Feeling from the lieutenant. 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:23.040 But she did get a good feeling from Growth, so 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:25.480 I just that's sort of like a reveal to me. 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:28.840 But in the cement bars room, now Amanda's talking to 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:32.239 Wes and he's like, it's entrapment, like you set me up. 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:35.920 And they're like, Quinn's gonna turn on you, and he's like, nah, 0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:39.280 not Quinny, not my girl, Quinny. And now Amaro's talking 0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:42.000 to Quinn, being like, right now, this is all on you, girl. 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:43.840 You made the nine one one call. You held the 0:55:43.840 --> 0:55:46.600 gun on Cassidy. She's like, no, I didn't, and Wes 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:49.360 didn't hurt anybody. And she's really calm and like honestly 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:52.480 cold blooded. She's really not stressed right now. And now 0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:55.600 Benson walks in, we got the big dog, like, you know, Amaro, 0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:57.480 why don't you just take a little seat in the corner. 0:55:57.640 --> 0:55:59.800 And she's like, so, what's up. You guys have a 0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:02.480 thing and she's like, no, he's married with kids, and 0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:04.920 Benson goes, so you banged a few times, and now 0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:06.560 you're trying to prove that you're cool with him doing 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:10.520 other chicks. Quinn stone walls again and lives like okay, girl, 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:13.600 let's get deep, let's cut. She goes, when was your 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:17.400 last boyfriend? When was your last date? Even, and she's like, 0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:19.680 you got to be forty maybe more, wondering if you'll 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:21.920 ever have a family or if writing around with him 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:25.919 for the next ten years will be enough. Stabler coded no, yes, 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.840 very So Quinn goes, he looked out for me, and 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:33.000 Tomorrow goes how and goes, it's off the record. So 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:35.640 she immediately like spills, I guess off the record is 0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:38.520 bond and she goes, my first year on the forest, 0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:39.520 I was using. 0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:39.959 A little coke. 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:42.480 She's like, what a little coke? A little bump here 0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:44.960 in there. I got hit with a random drug test. 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:47.640 He gave me his urine and like bailed my ass out. 0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:50.560 So then lives like, you think that means he loves you. 0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:53.400 He was holding that against you, He knew you felt 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.319 that way about him, and he was using that too. 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:58.360 You can really see this woman like grasping for the 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:02.000 truth in real time. She's like, wait, what, Like I 0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:03.840 thought he just helped me out of a jam and 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:06.839 that we slowly grew to love each other, Like he's 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.319 honestly been holding the shit over your head and using 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.680 your crush as a weapon. What did you think he 0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:13.279 was going to leave his wife and kid for you? 0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:18.240 Benson said, a cokehead. She is going fucking deep. So 0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:20.680 you spent the last five years sitting in that car 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:22.400 hoping that one day he'd look over at you and 0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:24.400 realized that you were the woman he couldn't live without. 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:27.160 And I bet this shit is making the fucking Bensler 0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:28.960 people absolutely go nuts. 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:32.120 When they're watching this. Well, she's just humiliating this woman. 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:34.440 I mean, she's evistraating her. But don't you think she's 0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:35.960 also getting a little bit of shit off her own 0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:39.040 chest at the same time. These are internal affairs of 0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:43.280 the heart. Then Amaro goes, oh, what was it Wes 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:45.880 said about you? Girls like Quinny, You throw them a 0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:49.040 couple of crumbs. They're so grateful they'll do anything. She 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:51.960 doesn't believe he said that, but lives like he said that, 0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:55.440 And he said, worse, it's over. It's not gonna happen. 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:58.520 It was never gonna happen. She's literally giving her that 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:00.440 he's just not that into you talk. You would give 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:03.080 to like a best friend, but she's like ruining this 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:06.440 woman's life. And liv goes I'm sorry, and then Quinn 0:58:06.480 --> 0:58:09.960 realizes like she's fucked, and there's a knock and they're like, well, 0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:11.760 that's probably your PBA rep CEA. 0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:12.480 We gave you a. 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:16.160 Chance, and she goes, actually I don't need him. She's 0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:19.440 ready to spill. So jess, you know, she says it 0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:22.160 wasn't only West, it was a lot of drunk girls, 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:24.400 a lot of long nights. Guys were either into that, 0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:27.520 into coke or on the take or all three. So 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:29.680 get me a pat and a pen. And she's really 0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:31.720 willing to like give it all up. I mean hopefully 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:34.680 it's like wait for a deal, like at least get immunity, 0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:36.720 Like you're not gonna go to jail for like aiding 0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:39.400 in a bedding a million rapes, because you're gonna give 0:58:39.440 --> 0:58:40.680 You're gonna name all the guys. 0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:41.000 You know. 0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:43.040 She's just like, give me the pen. I'm writing it down. 0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:46.120 So this is the big reveal. How did you know 0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:49.440 Cassidy was undercover? Live, asks her, and she goes, I 0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:52.640 got a call mid tour from my lieutenant, So fuck 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.480 I wrote the tree is rotten from the trunk. And 0:58:55.520 --> 0:58:58.480 then Tucker is watching and goes, bingo, that's what I 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:01.320 was waiting for. But Cassie is like, how the fuck 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:04.840 did the lieutenant know that I was undercover? And Tucker goes, cause, 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:08.080 I told him the whole house was dirty, extortion, kickbacks. 0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:09.720 I had to know if the fish stank from the 0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:13.040 head down. Craigan is pissed. He's like, you leaked it. 0:59:13.160 --> 0:59:16.200 Cassidy could have gotten killed. He's like, but he didn't. 0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:18.960 It worked, But now he's like He's like, it's just 0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:21.480 her word. And Groves is against the precinct, but it's 0:59:21.520 --> 0:59:24.360 a start. So it's at this moment that Cassidy decides 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:26.760 to offer up the fucking safety deposit box key. I 0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:29.640 have no idea why he didn't introduce this earlier, but 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:32.520 apparently it was an insurance policy to get Groves out 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:35.440 of Bellevue. Like, if you get Groves out of Bellevue, 0:59:35.480 --> 0:59:38.120 I'll direct you to the safety deposit box. So Tucker 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:40.240 has the same question as me. He's like, you had 0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:42.120 this the whole fucking time. I thought you wanted your 0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:44.320 shield back, and Cassidy goes, yeah, that's why I'm giving 0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:46.400 it to you now. But it's like they could have 0:59:46.520 --> 0:59:48.080 just saved a lot of time if they had just 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:49.880 gone right to the box because the box would have 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:52.960 had the information about like who the cops were, what happened. 0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:55.000 So then Cassidy goes, we done here. Tucker kind of 0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:56.840 like smacks the Tucker on the arm and then he 0:59:56.880 --> 1:00:00.640 goes get me Groves release. So Cassidy lee and Tucker 1:00:00.720 --> 1:00:03.280 says to Craigan, you tell your boy he better toe 1:00:03.360 --> 1:00:05.240 the line if he wants back in, And Craigan's like, 1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:07.600 maybe he has to, but I don't you set my 1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:09.600 people up to get killed to make your case. Get 1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:11.920 the hell out of my office. And I love Daddie 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:16.000 Craigan when he's angry. It's really fun protecting his squad. Yeah, 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:18.640 you don't fuck with his squad, No way, no day. 1:00:19.200 --> 1:00:22.280 So Tucker leaves and says nice work to live on 1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:24.960 the way out, and she's like She goes into Craigan 1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:26.880 and goes, did you just throw tuck her out? That's 1:00:26.920 --> 1:00:29.400 not politic? And Craigan's like, well, fuck that guy. What's 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:31.920 he gonna do? Throw me out? I hit my mandatory 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:34.760 in six months anyway, and lives like, oh, stop it, 1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:38.080 and Craigan's like, Olivia, it's the truth, Like you gotta 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:40.400 come to grips you know, you do have to retire 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:42.640 when they tell you have to retire, and he goes, 1:00:42.720 --> 1:00:45.479 I forgot to tell you. This is sad news Munch 1:00:45.520 --> 1:00:48.360 put in his papers. Olivia cannot believe it. She is 1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:51.520 shook and Craigan goes, yeah, the mecha carter case hit 1:00:51.600 --> 1:00:54.720 him pretty hard and that was the Simple Shepherd episode 1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:59.920 American tragedy. So she's about to cry. Craigan goes, nothing 1:01:00.160 --> 1:01:03.280 changes except what has to. So that's a kind of 1:01:03.280 --> 1:01:05.560 a nice line. Nothing chases except what happens to, Like 1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:08.640 everything does change, but because that has to, you know. 1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:11.840 So next Cassidy shows up at Bellevue to get Groves 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:12.320 out of there. 1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:14.479 Groves can't believe it. He's like, is this a trick? 1:01:14.560 --> 1:01:18.120 I mean, I can't imagine the trauma of being hospitalized 1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:20.680 and put under a cycle of value, like a cycled 1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:24.440 when there's absolutely nothing wrong with you. Like that's so traumatizing. 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:26.840 And they're like, no, man, you're a hero. And the 1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:28.600 guy can't believe it. He's like, let me take you home. 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:30.960 He's like to the Rockaways, It's like they end talking 1:01:31.000 --> 1:01:33.720 about traffic the way they began talking about traffic. So 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:36.560 at the end we got Benson and Cassidy snuggling on 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:39.000 the couch. Benson asks, do you think Tucker's going to 1:01:39.080 --> 1:01:41.640 keep your word about giving you your shield? And Cassidy's like, 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:44.520 I don't know. And then he's like, hey, can we 1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:45.800 talk about the escort thing? 1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:46.680 Like you believe me? 1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:47.000 Right? 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:49.040 When I was getting my dick sucked, I did not 1:01:49.360 --> 1:01:51.280 like it. And then she's like, shut the fuck up. 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:53.840 Has anyone ever told you to just shut your fucking 1:01:53.880 --> 1:01:56.680 mouth and not talk? And he goes everyone all the time. 1:01:57.360 --> 1:02:00.160 Then they have a little smooch and that's dick wolf Baby. 1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:03.400 I'm not surprised. There's a real story, but I don't 1:02:03.400 --> 1:02:05.560 know it. So I'm excited for you to tell it 1:02:05.560 --> 1:02:05.760 to me. 1:02:06.920 --> 1:02:10.320 M Yeah, I am too. I am too. So thank 1:02:10.360 --> 1:02:15.160 you for that episode. And you really did that Benson 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:27.960 takedown incredibly. Okay, so I'm going to talk about the 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:31.240 Adrian Schoolcraft scandal for all of this a New York 1:02:31.280 --> 1:02:33.520 crime broken by the Village Voice. 1:02:33.600 --> 1:02:34.520 How exciting is that? 1:02:34.600 --> 1:02:35.440 Ooh? 1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:36.080 I love that. 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:39.240 But the other suggestion on the crime in like the 1:02:39.320 --> 1:02:44.920 document was rape cop scandal And I guess how many 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:49.080 Google hits that hat? 1:02:49.920 --> 1:02:50.600 There's not one? 1:02:50.920 --> 1:02:52.840 Okay, You're like, do I have to narrow it down 1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:53.440 by state? 1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:57.280 Yeah, Like it was so many rape cop scandals, so 1:02:57.400 --> 1:03:00.560 like I don't know which one they meant, so I'm 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:04.680 not covering that. So yeah, Adrian's Schoolcraft. What a cool 1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:07.360 last name. So he this guy Adrian, he was an 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:12.720 NYPD cop. Background on him. He's a registered Republican born 1:03:12.760 --> 1:03:15.240 in Texas. He's the son of a Dallas cop and 1:03:15.280 --> 1:03:16.200 a bank official. 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:17.640 He joined the US Navy. 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:21.320 He was on active duty in Japan as basically a paramedic, 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:25.800 and he left with an honorable discharge. But like, I 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:28.240 wonder what he was doing in Japan in the eighties, 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:30.400 Like I don't, I don't get it, but I don't 1:03:30.440 --> 1:03:31.000 know history. 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:32.160 What years was it? 1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:34.680 This is in the two thousands. There are tons of 1:03:34.680 --> 1:03:37.520 military bases in Japan. It said active duty. 1:03:37.920 --> 1:03:40.200 There was like and I was a paradi there was 1:03:40.280 --> 1:03:42.600 eyeballs as something exploded, I would have I had just 1:03:42.640 --> 1:03:45.800 sew him up. And it's like in Japan and in 1:03:45.920 --> 1:03:50.320 Japan eighties nineties, I don't do I not know history. 1:03:51.440 --> 1:03:53.640 I don't know, well, I know I don't know history, 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:57.440 but I really don't know this. So I whatever, But 1:03:58.360 --> 1:04:00.560 and then he came back after his honorable discs charge 1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:04.360 random jobs, some Walmart, some Motorola. He ended up going 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:06.080 to take care of his mother and upstate New York 1:04:06.080 --> 1:04:09.560 where his parents retired. She got cancer and so he 1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:12.880 went up there, and while taking care of his mother 1:04:13.200 --> 1:04:16.320 nine to eleven, then happened and he got inspired, and 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:18.440 then the mom really wanted him to be a cop, 1:04:18.960 --> 1:04:22.480 so to honor her wishes and the motivation after the 1:04:22.560 --> 1:04:26.120 terrorist attacks, he decided to become a cop. So in 1:04:26.120 --> 1:04:29.200 two thousand and three, he's a rookie. He starts working 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:31.880 and then eventually he becomes an NYPD officer at the 1:04:31.880 --> 1:04:36.080 eighty first Precinct in Brooklyn, and he ended up secretly 1:04:36.120 --> 1:04:38.600 recording police conversations from two thousand and eight to two 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:40.920 thousand and nine, and then brought the tapes to the 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:44.520 NYPD like investigators in October of two thousand and nine 1:04:44.960 --> 1:04:46.240 as evidence of corruption. 1:04:47.200 --> 1:04:47.840 Wildly. 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:50.240 You know who else was at the eighty first Precinct 1:04:50.360 --> 1:04:55.360 before was famed whistleblower Frank Serpico. Oh, he spent a 1:04:55.400 --> 1:04:57.440 few years of his career there. Now I only know 1:04:57.520 --> 1:05:00.160 about it because there's a movie. I bet DeNiro's in it. 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:02.560 I don't actually know who this guy is. Yeah, but 1:05:02.640 --> 1:05:04.840 I guess he whistleblowed in the Cops and works in 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:07.240 the same precinct, so I don't know what that means. 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:09.880 I always think about that name too, because the actor 1:05:09.920 --> 1:05:14.400 who plays Olivia's current boss is Terry Cerproco. Yeah, and 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:16.120 I was like, that is not like a famous cop. 1:05:16.160 --> 1:05:17.840 But I didn't know he was a big whistleblower. So 1:05:18.040 --> 1:05:22.240 maybe that'll be another case we cover or something. But 1:05:22.440 --> 1:05:24.920 personally I did not even google the name. I went, 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:27.040 that's a movie and kept capt movie. 1:05:27.880 --> 1:05:30.560 But I did find it important enough to include and 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:33.800 continue talking about. Okay, so he was known in the 1:05:33.840 --> 1:05:37.560 precinct for so this guy, not Curproco. This Adrian school 1:05:37.600 --> 1:05:39.880 Crafts was known in the precinct for rescuing more than 1:05:39.920 --> 1:05:41.240 a dozen abandoned pets. 1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:44.600 I don't know. Yeah, he saved dogs that were starving 1:05:44.600 --> 1:05:45.520 and bleeding and stuff. 1:05:45.800 --> 1:05:48.440 But he had issues with how things were running in 1:05:48.680 --> 1:05:51.160 the department and how shit was going down at the precinct, 1:05:51.520 --> 1:05:54.760 and he started raising concerns. At first, it was like, oh, 1:05:54.920 --> 1:05:57.120 safety issues, Like he really had a big issue that 1:05:57.160 --> 1:05:59.960 cops worked twenty hour shifts day after day. 1:06:00.160 --> 1:06:03.080 It's insane. You know it's not safe. 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:07.560 So he started carrying a digital recorder to initially record 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:10.040 street encounters, like just to be safe. 1:06:10.040 --> 1:06:11.560 But in two thousand and six. 1:06:11.880 --> 1:06:16.760 Steve Morilo arrived as captain and then later became a commander, 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:20.360 and he was all about numbers, and like numbers only, 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:25.280 clashed with Adrian's philosophy of policing. Quoted in The Village Voice, 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:29.439 Schoolcraft believes in a community model of policing, and he said, 1:06:29.480 --> 1:06:32.080 you pull someone over for a seatbelt violation and they 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:34.600 have their idea, all their papers, you don't need to 1:06:34.600 --> 1:06:37.880 give them a ticket, just warn and admonish. You don't 1:06:37.880 --> 1:06:41.520 need to hammer the regular people. He hated the NYPD's 1:06:41.560 --> 1:06:44.480 obsession with stats, and so that drove a wedge between 1:06:44.920 --> 1:06:47.320 you know, the community and the police officers, which I 1:06:47.400 --> 1:06:51.880 agree with. But his superiors began questioning his dedication because 1:06:51.880 --> 1:06:53.920 of the numbers or like, you're not working with the 1:06:54.000 --> 1:06:58.120 numbers program, you're not dedicated. So January thirteenth, two thousand 1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:01.600 and nine, he met with Lieutenant Raphi Muscle, who told 1:07:01.680 --> 1:07:04.560 him to pick it up or his shift would be changed. 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:07.640 So January twenty nine, two thousand and nine, he got 1:07:07.680 --> 1:07:11.400 a poor work evaluation, which he appealed, and then the 1:07:11.520 --> 1:07:14.840 day after a flyer appeared on his locker that said, 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:16.960 if you don't like your job, maybe you should get 1:07:16.960 --> 1:07:21.720 another job. So then Schoolcraft kept chill about the note. 1:07:21.800 --> 1:07:24.880 He kept quiet until the next meeting with Maskole on 1:07:24.960 --> 1:07:29.640 February twentieth, and he secretly taped this meeting. In it, 1:07:30.000 --> 1:07:33.640 this clown talked about numbers, writing systems, how most cops 1:07:33.640 --> 1:07:35.920 do the bare minimum, just everything we kind of know, 1:07:36.040 --> 1:07:39.520 but he got it on camera and basically school Craft 1:07:39.600 --> 1:07:44.640 started getting written up for bullshit stuff, unnecessary conversation. One 1:07:44.680 --> 1:07:46.720 time he left his post to go to the bathroom 1:07:46.760 --> 1:07:48.800 and he was written up for leaving his post. 1:07:49.280 --> 1:07:51.000 They just started like nitpicking him. 1:07:51.560 --> 1:07:53.840 So then he was put on performance monitoring for not 1:07:53.960 --> 1:07:57.000 hitting his numbers, and they threatened again to transfer him, 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:59.160 and he's like, listen, I'm gonna work harder, but I 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:00.000 will not be right. 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:02.320 Fake Summons is like, that's not what I'm doing. 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:05.600 And then a little birdie cop, a little friend whispers 1:08:05.640 --> 1:08:07.160 to him that they're trying to look for a way 1:08:07.160 --> 1:08:11.120 to force him out on psychiatric grounds, so like he better, 1:08:11.320 --> 1:08:14.400 you know, watch out. So now it's April April third, 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:16.080 Adrian was having chest pains. 1:08:16.120 --> 1:08:17.080 He didn't feel good. 1:08:17.160 --> 1:08:20.120 He was sent to an NYPD doctor and he was 1:08:20.160 --> 1:08:23.280 complaining there, and then he complained to the department psychologists. 1:08:23.320 --> 1:08:25.400 And it's like, stop complaining to people at work, Like 1:08:25.680 --> 1:08:27.639 this is the thing, Like he did do good things, 1:08:27.680 --> 1:08:30.040 like iaby is good. Cops should not be breaking roles. 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:31.840 We're gonna find out more about what the priescinct did. 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:34.160 But like so it's like you are dumb. You seem dumb. 1:08:34.200 --> 1:08:37.280 You seem like an idiot. You don't understand what professionalism. 1:08:37.400 --> 1:08:39.320 And I've done this, but I'm also a comedian, so 1:08:39.320 --> 1:08:41.280 it's like I can fight with people. It doesn't matter 1:08:41.320 --> 1:08:43.600 as much. Like I don't know, it just seems like 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:44.280 you're dumb. 1:08:44.400 --> 1:08:47.479 Yeah, but also if you're just venting, vent to like 1:08:47.560 --> 1:08:49.240 a friend outside of work, this is just gonna get 1:08:49.280 --> 1:08:49.559 you in more. 1:08:49.560 --> 1:08:52.800 PA. He clearly doesn't have friends. And so because of 1:08:52.840 --> 1:08:54.840 all of this and everything that happened, and like the 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:57.000 psyche and all the shit he talked, they took away 1:08:57.000 --> 1:08:58.840 his guns and his shield and they put him on 1:08:58.880 --> 1:09:02.120 desk duty to protect him, they said in quotes. So 1:09:02.320 --> 1:09:05.639 cut to June where he gets the idea to write 1:09:05.800 --> 1:09:09.479 a patrolman's report to the commissioner. He got this idea 1:09:09.520 --> 1:09:12.840 from a book about NYPD corruption in the early nineteen seventies, 1:09:12.880 --> 1:09:15.439 and it's a book called Target Blue. He's like, I'm 1:09:15.439 --> 1:09:19.000 going to document everything. I'm going to tape everything, transcripts 1:09:19.040 --> 1:09:21.720 everything with backup, and then I'm going to send it 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:25.920 to the commissioner. Ray Kelly and his father got involved, okay, Daddy. 1:09:26.040 --> 1:09:30.559 So Schoolcraft's daddy contacted a retired detective Lieutenant David Dirk, 1:09:31.120 --> 1:09:33.759 who was the one who worked with Frank Serpico's report 1:09:33.760 --> 1:09:37.040 on corruption in the NYPD. He asked Dirk for advice, 1:09:37.120 --> 1:09:40.519 and in August finally the advice was record everything and 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:44.120 build a case without audio or video. The statement wouldn't 1:09:44.160 --> 1:09:46.840 mean anything, But the thing is, the dude was already 1:09:46.880 --> 1:09:48.080 doing all that, you know what I mean. 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:49.680 Like, the dude was on top of it. 1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:52.320 So Dirk also promised to call the captain at Eternal 1:09:52.360 --> 1:09:56.280 Affairs named Brandon del Pozzo, and so two days later, 1:09:56.320 --> 1:09:59.960 August twentieth, Schoolcraft finally reported to IAB. He said that 1:10:00.080 --> 1:10:04.120 two supervisors at the eighty first Precinct entered a locked 1:10:04.200 --> 1:10:07.800 file room and removed records of civilian complaints from the 1:10:07.840 --> 1:10:11.839 personal file of one of the supervisors. So right after 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:17.800 that was submitted, the Lieutenant Timothy Coffee posted a memo 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:21.120 at the precinct that said, all IAB inquiries should be 1:10:21.160 --> 1:10:22.800 brought to me first. 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:23.599 Lol. 1:10:24.560 --> 1:10:27.720 Nothing happened though, until Dirt called del Pozo, and that's 1:10:27.760 --> 1:10:28.200 what made. 1:10:28.080 --> 1:10:29.040 The department react. 1:10:29.520 --> 1:10:32.120 I guess I find it funny that del Pozo like call, 1:10:32.280 --> 1:10:34.920 Like dirt calling is what got everything in notice. Not 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:37.240 two years of recording precinct roll call, you know what 1:10:37.280 --> 1:10:40.040 I mean. Like, there was just so much evidence and 1:10:40.400 --> 1:10:42.680 it's while that they needed, you know, an old guy 1:10:42.800 --> 1:10:44.200 to come in to finally take it serious. 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:47.840 But Schoolcraft was very diligent. 1:10:48.080 --> 1:10:52.120 There's two years of recordings, so every single precinct role call. 1:10:52.479 --> 1:10:55.240 What's embarrassing to me is over two years of recordings, 1:10:55.280 --> 1:10:58.800 not one cop noticed, Like, not one cop realized what 1:10:58.840 --> 1:11:00.920 was happening. So there was a hundred and seventeen roll 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:05.720 calls recorded. He was also recording like his superiors. He 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:08.760 also showed the manipulation of crime reports and the proof 1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:13.200 of using a quota system, the culture of retaliation against whistleblowers, 1:11:13.200 --> 1:11:13.639 which dues. 1:11:13.720 --> 1:11:14.759 This is what we're talking about. 1:11:15.160 --> 1:11:19.280 He also began recording stuff after he was accused of loafing, 1:11:19.360 --> 1:11:21.200 which is something you new. I guess when you loaf around, 1:11:21.240 --> 1:11:24.320 you're lazy, because he was not meeting goals for arrests 1:11:24.360 --> 1:11:28.360 and summonses, and so his allegations at that Bedstye Precinct 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:31.639 led to internal charges against some of the officers involved, 1:11:31.840 --> 1:11:34.839 which also included the former commander of the precinct, Deputy 1:11:34.880 --> 1:11:38.719 Inspector Steve Murriello. He was charged with failing to record 1:11:38.760 --> 1:11:42.600 a grand larceny complaint and with impeding the department's investigation. 1:11:43.160 --> 1:11:45.160 After the inquiry, he was made though he was just 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:48.000 moved to the Bronx to work in transit. 1:11:48.160 --> 1:11:50.160 He was not punished at all. 1:11:50.920 --> 1:11:53.360 He also in the Times in the New York Times 1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:56.080 as a quote the Steve Mariello guy that at a 1:11:56.120 --> 1:12:00.000 meeting warning the precinct leaders, he wrote, rats coming out 1:12:00.080 --> 1:12:02.840 of here wearing tape recorders and. 1:12:03.280 --> 1:12:05.439 That image I just kind of enjoyed. 1:12:05.920 --> 1:12:09.479 So also four officers faced internal charges because of the tape, 1:12:09.520 --> 1:12:13.160 two sergeants and two patrol officers, and failure to file 1:12:13.280 --> 1:12:17.280 a robbery complaint, all charges. The AP reported stemmed from 1:12:17.320 --> 1:12:19.080 the allegations made by school Craft. 1:12:19.479 --> 1:12:20.160 So Edward D. 1:12:20.360 --> 1:12:23.400 Mullins, president of the Sergeant's Union, is quoted in The 1:12:23.479 --> 1:12:27.640 Times in a nutshell, this is bogus. They all the 1:12:27.720 --> 1:12:30.960 quotes from the other cops and sergeants are really funny throughout. So, 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:33.880 like cops and precincts are always trying to deny the 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:38.840 existence of like quotas and New Yorkers, and I think 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:42.439 most Americans know that that's not true, and they keep 1:12:42.479 --> 1:12:44.880 denying like, oh, this is bogus, this isn't real. But 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:48.080 like truly, every single recording and paper there's like evidence 1:12:48.120 --> 1:12:50.400 of the quotas, you know what I mean, Like the 1:12:50.439 --> 1:12:53.320 evidence is their babes, it's recorded. How are you saying 1:12:53.320 --> 1:12:56.800 it's bogus? It's I hate everyone because this would be 1:12:56.880 --> 1:12:59.400 enough evidence to arrest other people outside of the precincts, 1:12:59.760 --> 1:13:03.320 you know. Yeah, like in Zootopia, by the way, Yeah, 1:13:03.320 --> 1:13:05.400 a wonderful critique on policing. 1:13:05.920 --> 1:13:07.000 It's all about quotas. 1:13:07.040 --> 1:13:09.000 They just want they want Judy Hops to give out 1:13:09.080 --> 1:13:11.320 one hundred tickets and she goes, I'm gonna do two hundred, 1:13:11.960 --> 1:13:13.800 and she does that. I mean, they're parking tickets but 1:13:13.960 --> 1:13:14.840 still so. 1:13:15.000 --> 1:13:15.639 On the tape. 1:13:16.479 --> 1:13:19.639 In this evidence, the police captain Alex Perez is heard 1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:23.240 warning his top commanders that their officers must start writing 1:13:23.240 --> 1:13:26.640 more summonses or there would be consequences. Perez offered a 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:31.040 precise number and suggested a method. He basically would switch 1:13:31.080 --> 1:13:33.599 your shift and fuck up your life. So on one 1:13:33.640 --> 1:13:35.680 of the tapes that was released, according to The New 1:13:35.760 --> 1:13:39.120 York Times, this Perez guy on the tape says, I 1:13:39.200 --> 1:13:41.000 don't care about people's families. 1:13:41.320 --> 1:13:41.479 Don't. 1:13:41.560 --> 1:13:43.559 If they don't want to do their job, they're going 1:13:43.640 --> 1:13:45.800 to start being productive if they want a tour that 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:46.960 works for their family. 1:13:47.360 --> 1:13:48.400 So that's basically a thing. 1:13:48.439 --> 1:13:50.920 If you didn't get the numbers, they would put you 1:13:50.960 --> 1:13:54.800 on midnight or like stuff like that. Officers on a 1:13:54.840 --> 1:13:57.240 particular shift need to write as a group. 1:13:57.400 --> 1:13:58.799 Twenty summons is a week. 1:13:59.240 --> 1:14:02.920 He suggests to doing five each for double parking, parking 1:14:02.920 --> 1:14:05.240 at a bus stop, driving without a seatbelt, and driving 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:07.960 while using a cell phone. And there's another direct quote 1:14:07.960 --> 1:14:11.240 from the tape and it says, you as bosses, have 1:14:11.360 --> 1:14:14.040 to demand this and have to count it. I really 1:14:14.040 --> 1:14:17.240 don't have a problem firing people. And this is what 1:14:17.400 --> 1:14:21.679 they called bogus. This is bogus evidence like the bed 1:14:21.760 --> 1:14:25.080 Siam Brownsville residents are like, fuck you. This directly results 1:14:25.120 --> 1:14:27.960 in the pattern of harassment we all experience, like the 1:14:28.040 --> 1:14:31.040 people fucking know it. And also enforcing quotas I guess 1:14:31.120 --> 1:14:34.760 is a violation of state labor laws. So even more 1:14:34.800 --> 1:14:37.759 issues and then Schoolcraft Besides, the tapes also had tons 1:14:37.760 --> 1:14:40.639 of reports. So one summer day in two thousand and nine, 1:14:40.680 --> 1:14:42.719 a woman walked in after her card been stolen. 1:14:42.840 --> 1:14:44.439 She tried to file a report for over. 1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:47.360 Two days, talked to five different officers, came in to 1:14:47.400 --> 1:14:49.439 talk to the lieutenant, who promised he would be there 1:14:49.479 --> 1:14:50.280 but wasn't. 1:14:50.680 --> 1:14:54.120 And so then Adrian heard her story. 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:57.000 He wrote it all out and basically he bundled it 1:14:57.040 --> 1:14:59.040 with a button like dozens of other cases from crime 1:14:59.120 --> 1:15:03.040 victims who were quote trapped in a bureaucratic hamster wheels 1:15:03.040 --> 1:15:05.360 that seemed to have purposely been set up to make 1:15:05.360 --> 1:15:08.960 it hard to report serious crimes. And that's a quote 1:15:08.960 --> 1:15:11.400 from the New York Times. He was convinced it was 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:14.120 a pattern. So on October seventh, two thousand and nine, 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:17.040 he meets with investigators and tells them about the woman 1:15:17.080 --> 1:15:19.479 with the car and others and how their cases would 1:15:19.520 --> 1:15:23.240 disappear from stats or be moved down to mystimeters. So 1:15:23.280 --> 1:15:25.639 there was a Chinese food delivery person who was beaten 1:15:25.680 --> 1:15:28.960 and robbed, a cab driver held up at gunpoint, a 1:15:29.000 --> 1:15:32.160 man beaten and robbed of his wallet and phone, and 1:15:32.400 --> 1:15:35.840 the eighty first Precinct classified them all as lost property. 1:15:36.000 --> 1:15:38.360 Oh my god, so the evidence. 1:15:37.920 --> 1:15:42.439 Found and showed a deliberate underreporting of crime. He sat 1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:45.080 for three hours with the inspector, a lieutenant, and three 1:15:45.120 --> 1:15:49.080 sergeants with the Quality Assistance Division. On October twenty seventh, 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:51.800 a Brooklyn North sergeant told Schoolcraft that he was on 1:15:52.000 --> 1:15:58.480 quote forced monitoring. On October thirty first, two thousand and nine, Halloween. Obviously, 1:15:59.520 --> 1:16:02.479 his memo book was confiscated and then Coffee took it 1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:04.720 away for three hours, locked himself in an office with 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:07.559 a copy machine, copied it all and then came out, 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:11.200 gave the memo book back and called Schoolcraft Sergeant rashena 1:16:11.240 --> 1:16:14.519 huffman to his office. School Craft to the village voice, 1:16:14.520 --> 1:16:16.360 said that she came out and she was just cold 1:16:16.479 --> 1:16:20.680 as ice, and then his civil rights were definitely violated. 1:16:21.240 --> 1:16:23.840 He ended up getting arrested and kept for six days 1:16:23.840 --> 1:16:27.040 at a psychiatric ward at Jamaica Hospital Medical Center because 1:16:27.040 --> 1:16:29.280 of all that this, Oh my god, he was also 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:32.200 suspended without pay that day on the Halloween after this arrest. 1:16:32.920 --> 1:16:36.959 Yet cops who truly murder unarmed children and like Breonna 1:16:37.040 --> 1:16:39.799 Taylor in her own fucking house got. 1:16:39.560 --> 1:16:40.880 Paid, still get paid. 1:16:41.000 --> 1:16:41.880 Oh my god. 1:16:42.160 --> 1:16:46.200 Ah, but this guy got suspended without pay. I mean 1:16:46.280 --> 1:16:49.120 that's what's so difficult, all of this. It's like, you know, 1:16:49.360 --> 1:16:51.720 if you're gonna say it's just a few bad apples, 1:16:51.800 --> 1:16:54.160 then you can't treat the good ones like this right, 1:16:54.400 --> 1:16:57.640 like it is just such proof that it is systemic 1:16:57.720 --> 1:17:00.920 and it's all of them, because good cops would be rewarded. Yeah, 1:17:00.960 --> 1:17:03.639 but also this guy does seem dumb. And like I've 1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:06.679 talked about this before. When I was a younger comedian, 1:17:06.760 --> 1:17:09.439 my day job was like pretending to be Wendy Marino, 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:12.679 who is sexually assaulted at work her ups job. Yes, 1:17:12.840 --> 1:17:15.479 and like law students would practice on me on how 1:17:15.520 --> 1:17:19.519 to be good lawyers. And my case of this woman Wendy, 1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:22.320 like she was assaulted at work, she was being harassed. 1:17:22.360 --> 1:17:24.719 She did have a superior, but she also did punch 1:17:24.760 --> 1:17:27.800 another employee in the head, and she also was bad 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:30.360 at her job and so not everyone's perfect. 1:17:30.400 --> 1:17:31.280 Like I think this guy. 1:17:31.120 --> 1:17:33.439 Did really good things and like did all this evidence 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:35.760 and really wanted to be a good police officer who 1:17:35.800 --> 1:17:38.160 wasn't about the numbers. But I do think, like I 1:17:38.160 --> 1:17:40.360 don't trust him when he's like I wasn't feeling good 1:17:40.360 --> 1:17:41.360 so I left work early. 1:17:41.479 --> 1:17:42.640 I'm like, yeah, you can't do that. 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:46.320 I don't know. There's just these like moments where I'm like, 1:17:46.640 --> 1:17:48.639 I don't know, like you. 1:17:48.680 --> 1:17:49.479 Are still a cop. 1:17:49.680 --> 1:17:51.559 And I was gonna say this for later, but he 1:17:51.640 --> 1:17:53.080 did say the end word on a bunch of these 1:17:53.120 --> 1:17:54.880 tapes and they were kept in court. 1:17:55.040 --> 1:17:57.480 Oh school crafted, yeah. 1:17:57.040 --> 1:17:59.240 And he tried, like his lawyer tried to get them out, 1:17:59.280 --> 1:18:01.400 but the judge would allow it. And so like in 1:18:01.479 --> 1:18:03.519 the tapes, he is also being like, I don't want 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:04.880 to work with all these n words. 1:18:04.920 --> 1:18:05.479 Move them over. 1:18:05.560 --> 1:18:08.000 So it is just like they are also cops. Like 1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:11.160 he did do all these good things, I believe, but 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:14.160 like he is still a cop Republican who was in 1:18:14.360 --> 1:18:17.240 the military, you know, Like I don't know, I doubt 1:18:17.280 --> 1:18:19.760 we would get along. But it is really fucked up. 1:18:19.800 --> 1:18:21.040 What happened to him, and he did do a lot 1:18:21.080 --> 1:18:22.680 of things. He put a lot on the line and 1:18:22.760 --> 1:18:28.120 like whatever. So the arrest in hospitalization were ordered by 1:18:28.120 --> 1:18:33.280 his bosses because of his disclosures. Yet it says he 1:18:33.400 --> 1:18:35.600 left were a workshift on that Halloween two thousand and 1:18:35.640 --> 1:18:37.960 nine without permission and failed to return, and that is 1:18:38.000 --> 1:18:40.680 why he was suspended without pay. He says that he 1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:43.400 had gone home sick from work and received permission from 1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:45.640 the sergeant to leave an hour before the end of 1:18:45.640 --> 1:18:46.240 his shift. 1:18:46.880 --> 1:18:48.559 And I also, like, I hated doing. 1:18:48.360 --> 1:18:56.439 This research because I hate knowing like deputy chief, Deputy chief, lieutenant, captain, 1:18:57.439 --> 1:18:59.280 shut up, you're all losers, you know what I mean. 1:18:59.840 --> 1:19:01.599 I hate that I have to like learn all this 1:19:02.200 --> 1:19:04.559 so and they're all really hard words to spell too. 1:19:05.040 --> 1:19:08.000 He also felt like coffee was menacing him and he 1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:11.120 just was not feeling good, you know. He like his 1:19:11.200 --> 1:19:13.720 bosses were all mad at him, the energy, you know, 1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:17.559 with the IAB. So he called IAB around four thirty 1:19:17.560 --> 1:19:20.000 pm to report coffee and like how he was being 1:19:20.040 --> 1:19:22.920 treated and the photocopying of his memo book, and like 1:19:23.320 --> 1:19:25.599 his direct superior being weird to him. He just wasn't 1:19:25.600 --> 1:19:27.960 loving it. He didn't feel good, he was sick to 1:19:28.000 --> 1:19:30.040 his stomach, his heart was read. He just wanted to 1:19:30.040 --> 1:19:32.639 go home, and he said he got permission. So when 1:19:32.640 --> 1:19:35.599 he got home, he swigged some night quill and settled 1:19:35.640 --> 1:19:36.479 down for a nap. 1:19:37.080 --> 1:19:38.599 Then around six six thirty. 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:41.280 Different papers have different reports, but who cares, it's like 1:19:41.360 --> 1:19:44.479 a half hour difference. His dad called him about the 1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:47.280 cop lights outside of his place, but he thought that 1:19:47.360 --> 1:19:49.599 was strange because no one had knocked or buzzed into 1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:51.720 his home, but he did see all the lights. He 1:19:51.800 --> 1:19:54.360 checked his phone and there was messages from Sergeant Huffman 1:19:54.520 --> 1:19:57.240 and it was her saying she denied his sick approval. 1:19:57.280 --> 1:19:59.360 She did not approve his time off and he needs 1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:01.360 to return back to the station immediately. 1:20:01.400 --> 1:20:03.080 And she never said he can go home sick. 1:20:03.680 --> 1:20:06.280 But they kept trying to get into his apartment for 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:08.080 three hours, and he wouldn't let them in. He like 1:20:08.120 --> 1:20:11.280 wouldn't open the door, and he wouldn't help anybody. So 1:20:11.360 --> 1:20:13.439 but then they started coming up the stairs. It was 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:15.679 a group of officers and they went into his bedroom. 1:20:16.040 --> 1:20:19.559 They forcibly took him from his home in Queen's by 1:20:19.600 --> 1:20:22.479 all senior police officials and then was delivered to like 1:20:22.479 --> 1:20:26.360 a hospital psychiatric word and he fucking recorded it, dude, 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:27.360 He recorded it. 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:30.439 Of course he did. 1:20:29.800 --> 1:20:32.840 Because he had time, right so, like, because they he 1:20:32.840 --> 1:20:34.400 wouldn't let them in and they were out there, but 1:20:34.400 --> 1:20:35.879 they couldn't get into the apartment. 1:20:35.960 --> 1:20:37.280 You know, there was just like a lot of stuff. 1:20:37.320 --> 1:20:41.120 So during the raid, a senior official did confiscate his 1:20:41.160 --> 1:20:43.040 audio recorder that was on him, but he had a 1:20:43.080 --> 1:20:46.639 secret backup that was recording on a shelf. And one 1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:49.120 of the quotes on the recording, another funny thing is 1:20:49.160 --> 1:20:49.759 him going. 1:20:49.600 --> 1:20:51.960 What is this Russia? And I like that? 1:20:52.360 --> 1:20:54.040 And so the cops the way they got in was 1:20:54.160 --> 1:20:56.280 ended up using the landlord's key, but they lied to 1:20:56.320 --> 1:21:00.559 the landlord. They said that Schoolcraft was suicidal, you know, lie, 1:21:00.800 --> 1:21:03.920 and so that's why the landlord gave in, but he 1:21:04.000 --> 1:21:07.280 wouldn't have had Also, all the videos are excerpts and 1:21:07.280 --> 1:21:09.400 if you want to hear them, they're in an episode 1:21:09.400 --> 1:21:12.559 of This American Life on this story. Also, the Village 1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:17.040 Voice had a series started by this called the NYPD Tapes, 1:21:17.680 --> 1:21:21.080 and the recordings were made public to show a pattern 1:21:21.320 --> 1:21:24.920 of how police act bad. They claimed that he barricaded 1:21:24.960 --> 1:21:27.639 himself in his home and was on the run from them, 1:21:27.720 --> 1:21:30.640 but the recording does not support that at all. He 1:21:30.800 --> 1:21:33.800 was thrown on the floor, handcuffed and dragged out. There 1:21:33.840 --> 1:21:37.240 were about a dozen NYPD supervisors there that were in 1:21:37.280 --> 1:21:40.479 the apartment. The paramatics came and his heart rate was 1:21:40.520 --> 1:21:42.479 super high, and he did agree to go to Forest 1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:44.640 Hill's hospital, but then when he was told he was 1:21:44.640 --> 1:21:46.840 being taken to Jamaica Queens, he said, no, I don't 1:21:46.880 --> 1:21:50.160 like that, and like every citizen, you could do an RMA, 1:21:50.240 --> 1:21:53.640 which is refusal for medical attention, and you have the 1:21:53.720 --> 1:21:57.160 right to do that. So he rma'd himself on tape, 1:21:57.160 --> 1:22:00.639 we have that, and then on the tape we also 1:22:00.800 --> 1:22:03.679 at this point have the chief losing his temper, screaming, going, 1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:06.240 listen to me. They're gonna treat you like an EDP, 1:22:06.479 --> 1:22:08.920 which is an emotionally disturbed person. So now you have 1:22:08.960 --> 1:22:10.840 a choice. You get up like a man and put 1:22:10.840 --> 1:22:13.080 your shoes on and walk into that bus, or they're 1:22:13.080 --> 1:22:16.160 gonna treat you like an EDP, and that means handcuffs. 1:22:16.920 --> 1:22:19.360 Schoolcraft tells the chief that he is the one pushing 1:22:19.400 --> 1:22:23.040 this confrontation, like dude, this dude took niquil and went 1:22:23.080 --> 1:22:25.679 to bed, you know, like he is not the dresser 1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:28.920 here and he knows he's being taped. So then Marino 1:22:29.000 --> 1:22:31.600 then orders Schoolcraft to be put in cuffs. Says, I 1:22:31.640 --> 1:22:35.519 can't fucking stand him anymore, and then Marino then stepped 1:22:35.520 --> 1:22:38.879 on his face with a boot. School Craft was calm 1:22:39.040 --> 1:22:41.920 and in the hospital. Like all hospital reports site no 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:46.160 significant psychiatric symptoms. The medical staff also said they were 1:22:46.160 --> 1:22:50.040 misled by the NYPD. The cops told Jamaica Queen's Hospitals 1:22:50.120 --> 1:22:52.920 doctor Kin Marwin that he left work early after cursing 1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:56.120 out a supervisor, that he barricaded himself in his home 1:22:56.160 --> 1:22:57.920 and that the door had to be broken in to 1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:00.960 get into None of that is true. So he was 1:23:01.000 --> 1:23:04.200 held for six days in a locked ward. He was 1:23:04.240 --> 1:23:07.000 handcuffed to a gurney, but he was not charged with 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:12.240 a crime, no hearing, no judge, no charges, nothing, handcuffed 1:23:12.240 --> 1:23:14.680 to a gurney for six days in a locked ward. 1:23:15.200 --> 1:23:17.160 The decision to take him to the hospital was made 1:23:17.280 --> 1:23:20.040 solely by armed men who happened to be his superior 1:23:20.040 --> 1:23:23.000 officers who wanted to shut him up. This also was 1:23:23.040 --> 1:23:26.320 immediately after he talked to IAB He was also charged 1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:29.320 seven thousand dollars for his stay and then eighty six 1:23:29.360 --> 1:23:31.519 dollars to obtain his own medical records, which is an 1:23:31.600 --> 1:23:33.799 lol amount of money to report and be in the paper. 1:23:34.000 --> 1:23:34.120 Like. 1:23:35.680 --> 1:23:39.639 The Village Voices piece came out on June fifteenth, twenty ten, 1:23:40.160 --> 1:23:42.240 and in it it says the NYPD found in their 1:23:42.280 --> 1:23:45.720 budget to also send officers to his Upstate home to 1:23:45.800 --> 1:23:48.840 bang on his door and harass him. So the dates 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:54.479 are like December second, third, seventh, eleventh, thirteenth, January twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, 1:23:54.520 --> 1:23:57.720 twenty one, thirty one February three twelve, like they kept 1:23:57.720 --> 1:24:01.240 harassing him throughout and banging on his and he was 1:24:01.240 --> 1:24:04.240 getting no paychecks, so then he called Crime Victims hotline 1:24:04.280 --> 1:24:07.120 to obtain some financial relief, but it was rejected because 1:24:07.400 --> 1:24:11.360 he had no complaint number for the Halloween incident because 1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:13.960 he was never charged, there was no hearing, there was nothing, 1:24:14.760 --> 1:24:17.599 so he was illegally just like taken put into psych 1:24:17.680 --> 1:24:21.040 hold with absolutely no charges. He couldn't get victim services 1:24:21.080 --> 1:24:24.479 because the case didn't exist. The cops kept harassing him 1:24:24.479 --> 1:24:27.559 for months on end afterwards, so in March twenty ten, 1:24:27.640 --> 1:24:30.040 he finally decided to go public and handed over the 1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:33.040 tapes to the Village Voice, which eventually led to that series. 1:24:33.479 --> 1:24:35.880 The New York Times reported in twenty fifteen that he 1:24:35.920 --> 1:24:38.840 did settle with the city over his arrest and forced 1:24:38.880 --> 1:24:43.320 hospitalization for six hundred thousand dollars that taxpayers pay. 1:24:43.360 --> 1:24:45.760 Thank you very much. I mean, this is my you know. 1:24:45.800 --> 1:24:48.200 I believe in free lunch for all children in all schools, 1:24:48.200 --> 1:24:50.400 breakfast lunch groceries to take home on the weekends, like 1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:51.559 kids should be fed. 1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:53.360 I think my second thing that I. 1:24:53.320 --> 1:24:55.960 Believe so hard in is cops need to pay for 1:24:56.000 --> 1:24:59.639 their own legal services, and if they get found guilty 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:01.719 of stuff, it needs to come out of their pension. 1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:04.200 I bet they would start acting correct if they had 1:25:04.240 --> 1:25:06.719 to fucking pay for it. And I saw on TikTok 1:25:06.760 --> 1:25:08.800 there was like, I don't know who this was, but 1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:10.760 a black person was telling other black people to get 1:25:10.800 --> 1:25:13.920 life insurance policies and how important it is because if 1:25:13.960 --> 1:25:17.919 police do God forbid, something happens to you because of police. 1:25:19.080 --> 1:25:20.840 You know who tries to get their money. 1:25:20.600 --> 1:25:24.600 Insurance companies, and that insurance will go after cops. I 1:25:24.600 --> 1:25:28.200 think I've talked about this on this Yeah podcast before, 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:31.320 but It's just like, thinking about all this money that 1:25:31.600 --> 1:25:35.000 is spent because cops get sued and that we pay 1:25:35.080 --> 1:25:41.160 for it is infuriating. Yeah yeah, okay, So six hundred 1:25:41.160 --> 1:25:43.519 grand he got. He also I'm very happy about got 1:25:43.560 --> 1:25:46.960 back pay and benefits starting from October two thousand and 1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:50.240 nine through the end of twenty fifteen. So that's pretty 1:25:50.240 --> 1:25:53.280 fucking awesome. But we paid for it. I mean, I'm 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:54.720 not a New York say I'm gonna get a New 1:25:54.800 --> 1:25:55.120 York id. 1:25:55.520 --> 1:25:55.800 Okay. 1:25:55.880 --> 1:25:56.040 Oh. 1:25:56.080 --> 1:25:57.519 Also, the end we'd thing I was talking about was 1:25:57.600 --> 1:25:59.439 from the New York Post. I did not see it 1:25:59.439 --> 1:26:02.240 anywhere else, but it was in the Post. So you know, 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:05.719 take with that what you want. But I'm also not like, no, 1:26:06.320 --> 1:26:09.599 you know what I mean, I can't believe it. So 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:13.719 the city's law department, in a statement, said the settlement 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:16.439 should not be construed as an admission that the city 1:26:16.520 --> 1:26:21.719 or any city employee engaged in wrongdoing. Okay. So Also, 1:26:21.880 --> 1:26:25.720 Mascol he's still active. He's had six complaints against him 1:26:25.720 --> 1:26:29.519 in seven allegations, zero substantiated, but he is still working 1:26:29.600 --> 1:26:32.960 in Brooklyn as Deputy Chief at Patrol Borough Brooklyn North. 1:26:33.680 --> 1:26:38.200 Timothy Coffee August twenty eleven is when he retired. He 1:26:38.400 --> 1:26:44.519 ended with six complaints, one hundred allegations, zero substantiated. Theodore 1:26:44.600 --> 1:26:49.599 Lauderborne Laterborne, former Captain of Narcotics in Staten Island Baby 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:53.760 and ended his career in August twenty twenty three. He 1:26:53.840 --> 1:26:58.799 had some substantiated allegations. He was like using his club, 1:26:58.840 --> 1:27:03.240 not right clubbing people. He had another lawsuit outside of 1:27:03.280 --> 1:27:05.639 the six hundred thousand dollars one that had to be settled. 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:08.080 I think it was like for thirty grand. So he 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:12.120 has one on his record. Seven complaints, nine allegations, one substantiated, 1:27:12.160 --> 1:27:12.839 with charges. 1:27:13.760 --> 1:27:14.960 Retired in twenty twenty three. 1:27:15.360 --> 1:27:18.800 Marino ended his career in twenty fourteen with twenty three complaints, 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:24.400 forty one allegations, four substantiated, and those are for pushkicks, 1:27:24.479 --> 1:27:29.519 two of them push shoves and cursing Steven Mariello. He's 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:33.120 still active. Let's visit his precinct when you come visit me. 1:27:33.800 --> 1:27:36.120 Since December twenty twenty three, he got a new job. 1:27:36.479 --> 1:27:40.720 Oh wow, as an inspector Transit Bureau, Manhattan. I'm sure 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:42.960 this has to do with Eric Adams. I'm sure this 1:27:43.040 --> 1:27:45.719 has to do with all the fucking money going into 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:50.360 transit police and all those systems and fucking people over 1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:52.719 and Eric. 1:27:52.520 --> 1:27:55.479 Adams is a fucking whatever. 1:27:56.320 --> 1:27:59.760 I just feel like this guy getting this job with 1:27:59.840 --> 1:28:02.280 him him in office as mayor is just too convenient, 1:28:02.439 --> 1:28:03.920 like something I just don't buy. 1:28:03.960 --> 1:28:04.519 What's this saying? 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:09.320 Yeah, but Steve Morello, he had another small lawsuit out 1:28:09.680 --> 1:28:14.000 only one complaint, two allegations, so one substantiated obviously. 1:28:14.240 --> 1:28:18.040 Wow to a practically squeaky clean cop. Wow. 1:28:18.160 --> 1:28:20.840 So I mean what is cool about this case? Obviously 1:28:20.960 --> 1:28:24.040 the documents that were like fucked around, and like people's 1:28:24.080 --> 1:28:26.400 investigations with the robberies were fucked with. 1:28:26.439 --> 1:28:27.920 There are victims of this crime. 1:28:28.360 --> 1:28:31.280 He was traumatized, like being put into psych word and 1:28:31.320 --> 1:28:32.480 handcuffed obviously. 1:28:32.960 --> 1:28:35.080 But in terms of our podcasts. 1:28:35.000 --> 1:28:39.600 Easy crime, Yeah, children are safe, there's no sexual I 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:43.719 mean this was a pretty easy breezy except spelling lieutenant 1:28:43.760 --> 1:28:44.360 and sergeant. 1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:47.080 This was like a nice yeah, a nice thing for me. 1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:47.439 Yeah. 1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:49.639 I mean these guys were just covering up like their 1:28:49.680 --> 1:28:52.360 literal comstat stuff like they were they were just covering 1:28:52.400 --> 1:28:55.040 up you know, robberies and like some violent crimes or whatever. 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:56.880 But they weren't covering up client crimes that. 1:28:56.840 --> 1:29:01.920 They were they themselves committing as much as in the episode, 1:29:01.920 --> 1:29:04.800 which is probably just conflating other stories of there's plenty 1:29:04.840 --> 1:29:07.440 of cops that have committed like habitual sexual. 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:11.240 Yeah, because that's just one precinct with one guy with 1:29:11.280 --> 1:29:12.760 one set of people, you know, like. 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:15.160 Yeah, at one time in history. 1:29:15.280 --> 1:29:19.719 Yeah, it's so much everywhere at all times, and. 1:29:19.640 --> 1:29:22.479 Like it's everything everywhere all at once, bad cops. 1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:25.400 And even though you're saying, like you know, it's like 1:29:25.520 --> 1:29:28.479 forging their police work, but it's like, you know, when 1:29:28.520 --> 1:29:30.720 things happen to people in the city or everywhere, it's 1:29:30.760 --> 1:29:32.120 like we'll go to the cops and it's like these 1:29:32.120 --> 1:29:34.720 people are and like thinking of like cab drivers and 1:29:34.760 --> 1:29:37.080 people at work and like older people just getting the 1:29:37.080 --> 1:29:39.439 ship beat out of them, and their case is not 1:29:39.479 --> 1:29:42.280 being taken seriously obviously, like sexual assault stuff. So it's 1:29:42.320 --> 1:29:46.200 like fuck the numbers, fuck funding, like fuck every like 1:29:46.280 --> 1:29:48.679 we will live in just the worst twitch. I can't, 1:29:48.720 --> 1:29:50.120 we can't, we can't do we have a guess, we 1:29:50.120 --> 1:29:52.760 have a great guess. I can't keep spiraling like a 1:29:52.760 --> 1:29:55.200 twenty year old who just took a sociology course. But 1:29:55.240 --> 1:29:58.840 it happens every day for me, like every day I'm 1:29:58.880 --> 1:30:02.080 like hit with the weight of the world, but also 1:30:02.320 --> 1:30:04.519 so much and then every week on this podcast, I 1:30:04.560 --> 1:30:06.000 feel like I do this and then I go. But 1:30:06.040 --> 1:30:09.280 I'm grateful for my life, you know. But also McNuggets 1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:10.719 are back, you know. So it's tough. 1:30:10.840 --> 1:30:14.680 It's tough, like you know, there are some joys, but 1:30:14.720 --> 1:30:16.360 we do have a great guest. Thank you for doing 1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:27.880 all that research. Let's get to our fun guests. Okay, 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:32.280 our guest today, Lisa and I both clocked immediately on 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:35.360 a cross country flight. I knew him immediately as Russ 1:30:35.439 --> 1:30:38.800 Langmore from Ozark on Netflix, but he has been in 1:30:39.000 --> 1:30:42.719 dramas and comedies alike. He's been on Curb Inside, Me, Schumer, 1:30:42.800 --> 1:30:47.240 The Sinner, Homeland talk about a Renaissance Man. He's also 1:30:47.320 --> 1:30:51.080 been on Lisa's favorite show, Manifest and a regular on 1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:54.040 the Stephen King show The Outsider, which I watched. But 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:57.360 today you know him as Officer Michael Groves. Please enjoy 1:30:57.400 --> 1:31:02.280 our chat with the very talented Markman chaka Yay Mark. 1:31:02.400 --> 1:31:04.679 Well, this is a first for our podcast. Welcome. 1:31:04.760 --> 1:31:09.240 We did meet at Delta one, yes, and now we're here. 1:31:09.400 --> 1:31:11.680 Are you at the level of flying where when it's 1:31:11.680 --> 1:31:13.400 an old plane you're kind of pissed. 1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:16.439 Yeah, I was. I was a little bit pissed on that. 1:31:16.479 --> 1:31:20.720 One means yeah, it's a bummer when you get on 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:23.599 the old planes. Yeah, it's like getting on South African 1:31:23.600 --> 1:31:27.240 airways in business and you're like, I went to South 1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:30.360 Africa two thousand and seven and it was the first 1:31:30.400 --> 1:31:31.679 time I'd ever flown up front. 1:31:31.760 --> 1:31:33.679 I was like, oh my gosh, it's amazing. 1:31:33.760 --> 1:31:36.840 And then I went back in twenty eighteen for another 1:31:36.920 --> 1:31:39.080 job and I was like, I think this is the 1:31:39.200 --> 1:31:42.880 exact same plane that I flew down and back on. 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:45.320 I'm not sure if it's going to make it. 1:31:45.520 --> 1:31:48.360 Wait, how many jobs are you doing in South Africa? 1:31:48.479 --> 1:31:49.000 That's cool. 1:31:49.439 --> 1:31:50.360 I've only done two. 1:31:52.720 --> 1:31:53.480 That's amazing. 1:31:54.040 --> 1:31:56.400 Well, I thought you both looked comfy in Delta one. 1:31:56.479 --> 1:31:58.280 I was back in coach on that same flight. 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:00.720 Well, so Amy Miller was sitting that some mark and 1:32:00.880 --> 1:32:03.880 like being so chatty. And then later I was like, yeah, 1:32:03.920 --> 1:32:05.960 you're so chatty and cool, like I don't really do that, 1:32:06.080 --> 1:32:07.720 and she goes, that was for you. She's like, I 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:09.800 would never talk to anyone on a plane, and I go, wow, 1:32:09.920 --> 1:32:14.519 thank you, bless you. Amy, What is your plane routine? 1:32:14.640 --> 1:32:15.800 What are you watch? What are you? 1:32:15.920 --> 1:32:17.320 Are you just passing out? Kind of? 1:32:17.960 --> 1:32:22.519 I never remember to download anything until like right when 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:25.000 I'm about to leave for the airport, so I usually don't. 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:27.160 The reason I was a couple of minutes later was 1:32:27.160 --> 1:32:29.800 because I don't use my iPad that very much, and 1:32:29.840 --> 1:32:32.479 I had to install Gmail again to get to the 1:32:32.560 --> 1:32:35.720 zoom link. So I used to watch a movie and 1:32:35.760 --> 1:32:38.800 I've been I try to read, but that usually sends 1:32:38.840 --> 1:32:39.400 me to sleep. 1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:42.800 Yeah, my new thing is a Nintendo Switch, and I 1:32:42.840 --> 1:32:45.960 play a Mario from my youth. So and the flights 1:32:46.000 --> 1:32:50.080 fly by I land sometimes I go, oh ready, it 1:32:50.280 --> 1:32:52.839 changes everything when Yoshi's around. 1:32:53.040 --> 1:32:56.120 I was never good at video games and they only 1:32:56.120 --> 1:32:56.879 made me mad. 1:32:56.760 --> 1:32:57.760 So neither was I. 1:32:58.200 --> 1:33:00.920 But now you're a grown up, I'm beating the games 1:33:00.920 --> 1:33:01.920 of my childhood. 1:33:02.600 --> 1:33:03.080 There you go. 1:33:04.760 --> 1:33:06.479 Well, Well, when I got on the airplane, I did 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:10.040 recognize you from Ozark, which I loved your role so 1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:12.240 much on Ozark. But we'll talk about that later. But 1:33:12.320 --> 1:33:14.920 I knew you'd been on an SVU, so we looked 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:17.200 you up. But I when I was rewatching the episode, 1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:19.400 I was like, I almost don't recognize him without his mustache. 1:33:19.400 --> 1:33:21.200 Don't you feel like your mustache is sort of like 1:33:22.320 --> 1:33:23.240 a signature thing. 1:33:23.760 --> 1:33:24.040 Uh? 1:33:24.120 --> 1:33:26.800 Yeah, And I don't like going without facial hair. 1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:28.240 Yeah, I was what I was going to ask you, 1:33:28.920 --> 1:33:29.479 and s for. 1:33:29.560 --> 1:33:32.720 You made me. I was like, mustache would be great, 1:33:32.920 --> 1:33:34.440 and they're like, nah. 1:33:34.200 --> 1:33:36.519 Yeah, it wouldn't have really made a difference. I feel 1:33:36.520 --> 1:33:37.800 if you had had a mustache. 1:33:38.120 --> 1:33:40.160 Yeah, no, they didn't want it. 1:33:40.479 --> 1:33:42.519 I will say it did make you look a little 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:46.880 like more maybe like boyish and like innocent, like and 1:33:47.040 --> 1:33:49.880 just getting hauled away and tased and everything. Maybe that 1:33:49.960 --> 1:33:50.679 was like their vibes. 1:33:50.840 --> 1:33:52.439 They wanted people to feel bad for you. 1:33:52.360 --> 1:33:55.200 Like this young this poor little guy is just like 1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:57.559 moving getting hauled off. 1:33:58.040 --> 1:33:59.840 Possibly, so yeah, I do. 1:34:00.120 --> 1:34:03.400 I lose several years when I shaved. I had to 1:34:03.479 --> 1:34:07.000 do it for Jack Ryan last year, and I'd come 1:34:07.040 --> 1:34:11.040 from just having like a very very big beard. I 1:34:11.080 --> 1:34:15.760 did Ozark, and then I had to shave for Jack Ryan. 1:34:15.880 --> 1:34:18.439 I went back to Ozark, I had to put the 1:34:18.479 --> 1:34:21.120 fake beard on, and then I grew a full beard, 1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:24.559 like an Ozark beard for this film. And then Jack 1:34:24.640 --> 1:34:26.160 Ryan called and they were like, we need to do 1:34:26.800 --> 1:34:27.600 like three or. 1:34:27.560 --> 1:34:28.720 Four hours of reshoots. 1:34:29.280 --> 1:34:29.760 Oh no. 1:34:30.280 --> 1:34:33.200 I was also in Thailand, and I had to fly 1:34:33.320 --> 1:34:36.560 to Toronto to see my wife for like two days, 1:34:36.960 --> 1:34:39.200 and then I flew to Budapest to do Jack Ryan 1:34:39.240 --> 1:34:42.519 and I was I tried up until the last second. 1:34:42.680 --> 1:34:46.839 I was like, can we just shoot it from behind 1:34:47.680 --> 1:34:50.840 and you don't see my face? And they were like no, no. 1:34:50.840 --> 1:34:54.360 Cigar, does the bearded set get up mad? Or They're 1:34:54.400 --> 1:34:56.160 just like, Okay, we've got to do the fake beard. 1:34:56.200 --> 1:34:58.000 And that's that, Like how do you do it when 1:34:58.000 --> 1:35:00.000 you're like jumbling the jobs with all this hair. 1:35:01.000 --> 1:35:04.000 It's one of the most stressful things about the job. 1:35:04.439 --> 1:35:07.799 Ozark had a beard made in case I wasn't able 1:35:07.920 --> 1:35:09.880 to grow it out for when they brought me back 1:35:09.960 --> 1:35:12.519 second season. So they had a beard made and I 1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:15.840 never used it, and actually I did a Curb Your 1:35:15.960 --> 1:35:19.599 Enthusiasm and it was like a I think I shot 1:35:19.800 --> 1:35:24.120 in December and then they didn't shoot the rest until April, 1:35:25.080 --> 1:35:26.840 and so that was another one where I at the 1:35:26.840 --> 1:35:28.680 beginning of it, I had my real beard, and then 1:35:28.840 --> 1:35:30.840 I had to get Ozark to send the beard to 1:35:31.400 --> 1:35:34.320 Curb so I could use it in the very last bit. 1:35:36.400 --> 1:35:39.040 It stresses me out. I like pound bottles of biot 1:35:39.160 --> 1:35:39.879 in every day. 1:35:40.640 --> 1:35:42.800 I'm taking that right now too, because I had two 1:35:42.880 --> 1:35:44.439 children and they stole my hair away from me. 1:35:44.960 --> 1:35:45.920 Where do you guys shoot that? 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:47.880 Is it la or do you go on location for 1:35:47.920 --> 1:35:49.439 Ozart outside of Atlanta? 1:35:50.920 --> 1:35:54.080 I love Atlanta. You're all over the place. That's cool, 1:35:54.320 --> 1:35:55.080 A good life. 1:35:55.520 --> 1:35:59.400 Yeah, this last year was my wife is also an actress. 1:36:00.040 --> 1:36:03.599 We kind of, you know, with the strike, I kind 1:36:03.600 --> 1:36:05.040 of I worked on a show here and there. She 1:36:05.080 --> 1:36:08.040 was supposed to start a show in June, which obviously 1:36:08.080 --> 1:36:11.000 got pushed. So we kind of had most of last 1:36:11.080 --> 1:36:14.920 year just like hanging out, being together. And then I 1:36:15.040 --> 1:36:17.679 randomly got a job the other day and we were 1:36:17.920 --> 1:36:20.479 planning to go up state for you know, I have 1:36:20.600 --> 1:36:23.559 like a week together before I go. And then I literally, 1:36:23.600 --> 1:36:25.720 just like ten minutes ago, I got this email and 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:27.640 they were like, we would like to fly you on 1:36:27.880 --> 1:36:31.880 the twelfth of February to Cologne. And I was like, 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:34.960 it's stressed me out right for it. And I was like, 1:36:35.000 --> 1:36:36.839 I got a down, but I gotta get the Gmail 1:36:36.880 --> 1:36:37.360 back on. 1:36:37.640 --> 1:36:40.000 I can't be thinking about leaving on twelve. 1:36:40.760 --> 1:36:42.960 Where's Cologne, Germany? 1:36:43.479 --> 1:36:44.800 Germany? Yeah? 1:36:44.840 --> 1:36:48.720 I just thought cologne perfume. I cologne is a bliss. 1:36:48.960 --> 1:36:52.160 So you're married to an actress. Did you meet on set? 1:36:53.000 --> 1:36:54.400 No, we have the same manager. 1:36:54.720 --> 1:36:56.040 Ooh. 1:36:56.160 --> 1:37:01.080 I mean she's been with my manager for probably twenty 1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:04.840 five years. I've been with them for fifteen or sixteen years. 1:37:05.320 --> 1:37:08.479 And then I think she was I think she just 1:37:08.560 --> 1:37:12.240 kind of tracked us and was like, now's Now's not 1:37:12.320 --> 1:37:14.320 the time. And then a little over four years ago 1:37:14.400 --> 1:37:16.800 we were both in La for I was out there 1:37:16.840 --> 1:37:19.320 for the outside of premiere and she was out there 1:37:19.360 --> 1:37:23.599 working and she put us in touch, and she hates 1:37:23.640 --> 1:37:27.160 going to premieres, but she came anyways. Yeah, and then 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:30.320 it was it was kind of a magic night. 1:37:30.720 --> 1:37:31.400 I love it. 1:37:32.240 --> 1:37:33.360 Wow, that's so cool. 1:37:33.439 --> 1:37:35.280 And then in two weeks and then a month, and 1:37:35.280 --> 1:37:38.120 then the pandemic hit and we were holed up and 1:37:38.640 --> 1:37:40.920 she went back to London. I went over to London 1:37:41.040 --> 1:37:44.559 right for everything shut down, and then we holed up 1:37:44.840 --> 1:37:47.360 in the countryside for five months or whatever. 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:49.639 Wow, that's cool. Where are you guys, base? Like, where 1:37:49.680 --> 1:37:51.040 are you now? Are you in New York? 1:37:51.439 --> 1:37:52.960 We're in New York now? Yeah? 1:37:53.000 --> 1:37:54.000 Wow cool? 1:37:54.680 --> 1:37:55.280 Yeah? 1:37:55.320 --> 1:37:56.920 Well, I mean we're going to get back to the SVU. 1:37:56.960 --> 1:37:58.960 But we talked to a lot of actors that are 1:37:59.040 --> 1:38:01.760 married to other actors, and we always asked like, do 1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:03.840 you guys help each other out with auditions or is 1:38:03.840 --> 1:38:06.040 that like a stay away from it, it's only going 1:38:06.120 --> 1:38:08.560 to cause problems kind of scenario. 1:38:08.880 --> 1:38:12.120 No, we always do it. I mean we have quite 1:38:12.160 --> 1:38:13.240 a laugh doing it. 1:38:13.240 --> 1:38:15.479 It's probably more takes than it should be because I 1:38:15.520 --> 1:38:20.160 mean she's an absolute goofball and she'll usually start doing 1:38:20.160 --> 1:38:22.760 something just to make me laugh during the takes and 1:38:23.920 --> 1:38:24.559 we get it done. 1:38:24.680 --> 1:38:26.519 I love to hear that this is good. 1:38:26.600 --> 1:38:29.840 We've talked to couples where it gets aggressive or they 1:38:29.880 --> 1:38:32.439 can't even do it because they fight so much. Oh 1:38:32.439 --> 1:38:36.599 really Oh and I've been a witness to it before too, 1:38:36.800 --> 1:38:38.800 where I was like helping someone with a tape and 1:38:38.800 --> 1:38:42.160 they were shocked by my kindness because their husband wouldn't 1:38:42.240 --> 1:38:44.920 let them do another take or something. I was like, 1:38:44.960 --> 1:38:46.600 why don't we do it again this way? And she 1:38:46.680 --> 1:38:49.320 was like, wait, we can do another one. I'm like, yeah, 1:38:49.360 --> 1:38:50.360 what's going on here? 1:38:50.600 --> 1:38:53.720 But the only time that happened was did you see 1:38:53.720 --> 1:38:55.160 that film Barbarian? Not? 1:38:55.439 --> 1:38:58.479 Yea, my husband did. My husband said it was awesome. 1:38:58.640 --> 1:38:59.599 I'm too scared. 1:39:00.640 --> 1:39:04.439 So good. So those guys it was their follow up 1:39:04.640 --> 1:39:08.759 to Barbarian and it was one scene, like seven page scene. 1:39:08.840 --> 1:39:11.519 It could possibly be a scene stealer of the film. 1:39:11.600 --> 1:39:16.600 I don't know, but they were making me read and 1:39:17.320 --> 1:39:20.519 I didn't really. I just kind of It's like me 1:39:20.720 --> 1:39:23.680 talking to someone who's speaking German and not. I'm kind 1:39:23.680 --> 1:39:26.080 of thinking I understand what they're saying, but I have 1:39:26.160 --> 1:39:30.960 no idea. And I did one take and she threw 1:39:31.000 --> 1:39:33.000 the pages out. She was like, I don't know why 1:39:33.000 --> 1:39:35.120 you're reading for this. She was like, they should just 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:36.599 offer it to you. I'm not doing it anymore. 1:39:37.240 --> 1:39:40.439 And I was like, okay, we didn't get a fight it, Yeah. 1:39:40.280 --> 1:39:41.719 But that was to defender honor. 1:39:42.560 --> 1:39:44.880 Yes, yeah, then did you get it? 1:39:45.040 --> 1:39:46.040 I did? Yeah? 1:39:46.200 --> 1:39:47.519 Oh, she was right. 1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:51.680 I love to hear that she's a goofball, because you know, 1:39:51.720 --> 1:39:55.599 I think of her as Sirce Lanister and she seems mean. 1:39:55.920 --> 1:39:58.120 But I like hearing that in real life people are 1:39:58.120 --> 1:39:59.960 so different than their characters. That's what people say about 1:40:00.160 --> 1:40:03.480 like Mariushka Hargate from SVU, that she's a real goofball, 1:40:03.880 --> 1:40:05.400 even though that's not what you get from her and 1:40:05.439 --> 1:40:06.720 like what you know her as? 1:40:07.200 --> 1:40:09.120 I mean, I guess that's acting. I'm not really saying 1:40:09.120 --> 1:40:10.479 anything in name. 1:40:11.240 --> 1:40:15.200 She's one of the wittiest, funniest people. She's quick. She 1:40:15.240 --> 1:40:16.200 needs to do a comedy. 1:40:16.360 --> 1:40:18.439 I think people would love that. I think people would 1:40:18.439 --> 1:40:19.519 have really welcome that. 1:40:20.080 --> 1:40:22.880 Yeah, yeah, I guess before we died fully into SVU. 1:40:23.040 --> 1:40:26.400 I'm a huge Miley Cyrus fan. You did do the 1:40:26.439 --> 1:40:29.400 Black Mirror? Do you have any scoop that maybe a 1:40:29.400 --> 1:40:30.240 fan would love to hear? 1:40:33.320 --> 1:40:36.679 I only met her one day. We chatted for a while. 1:40:36.840 --> 1:40:41.280 It was just like pretty chill before we chot. The 1:40:41.360 --> 1:40:45.040 funny thing that happened was she wrapped. It was her 1:40:45.120 --> 1:40:48.880 last day and I had to keep shooting, and I 1:40:48.960 --> 1:40:52.800 got back to the trailers and I'd hung out with 1:40:52.840 --> 1:40:56.759 her sister and her sister's friend, Valerie, so Brandy and Vale, 1:40:56.760 --> 1:40:59.880 I'd hung out with them during the week. But Miley 1:41:00.960 --> 1:41:04.040 came out of the makeup trailer and I was just 1:41:04.120 --> 1:41:06.800 walking back into the parking lot where the trailers were, 1:41:07.600 --> 1:41:09.479 and she saw me. 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:09.720 This. 1:41:09.840 --> 1:41:11.679 It was so larious because I was like, I can't believe, 1:41:11.680 --> 1:41:14.800 like she's Miley's Tyrus and I was. I was very 1:41:14.800 --> 1:41:19.960 cool and restrained when we chatted, and uh, and she 1:41:20.080 --> 1:41:22.960 came running out of the trailer and she. 1:41:23.000 --> 1:41:27.320 Goes, oh my gosh, and she jumped literally like jumped 1:41:27.560 --> 1:41:28.960 legs around, arms around. 1:41:29.520 --> 1:41:33.040 Here's a dude from Ozark. I have no idea, And 1:41:33.080 --> 1:41:35.400 I was like, I want to. I think I'm gonna. 1:41:35.479 --> 1:41:37.639 I should be doing that to you. You're stars. 1:41:40.360 --> 1:41:44.439 Wow, you got a movie style jump hug from Miley. 1:41:45.120 --> 1:41:46.040 Yeah, movie star. 1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:49.040 That's pretty impressive. Yeah, that's the that's the story I 1:41:49.080 --> 1:41:52.960 wanted for sure. Thank you very much. Okay, so let's 1:41:52.960 --> 1:41:55.680 talk about this SPU episode you did. You're not a 1:41:55.680 --> 1:41:59.160 stranger to the Dick Wolf universe. You've done Criminal Intent, yeah, 1:41:59.160 --> 1:42:02.000 and you've done SVU and then recently you did organized 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:07.559 Crime and so SVU. So when you did this, what 1:42:07.640 --> 1:42:09.519 was going on in your career? Were you like excited 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:11.680 to get this? Like what how did it? I know 1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:13.960 it was like ten years ago, so whatever you can remember, 1:42:14.320 --> 1:42:18.040 or were you like finally what the well? 1:42:18.640 --> 1:42:20.000 I think it was SVU. 1:42:20.640 --> 1:42:22.720 I don't know how many times I auditioned for that, 1:42:22.920 --> 1:42:26.200 And you know, I would walk in see the same producers, 1:42:27.080 --> 1:42:28.400 usually a different director. 1:42:29.400 --> 1:42:32.880 It'd be like hey guys and be like, hey. 1:42:32.280 --> 1:42:34.760 You know, I want to guess the other parts you 1:42:34.800 --> 1:42:35.439 got close to. 1:42:35.840 --> 1:42:37.960 Did you go out for a military dude who like 1:42:38.080 --> 1:42:42.360 shoots his daughter's attacker, because I feel like that could 1:42:42.360 --> 1:42:42.720 have been you. 1:42:44.600 --> 1:42:46.080 I mean, it's very very possible. 1:42:46.439 --> 1:42:47.320 You don't have to do that. 1:42:47.680 --> 1:42:50.480 Yeah, do you remember an audition from thirteen years ago? 1:42:51.280 --> 1:42:52.400 When was this? 1:42:52.400 --> 1:42:54.400 This episode aired in twenty thirteen. 1:42:55.320 --> 1:42:59.160 Twenty thirteen, Okay, I was like, I'm not gonna audition 1:42:59.200 --> 1:43:02.000 for him anymore, Like I just won't do it. And 1:43:02.040 --> 1:43:04.320 then I didn't have anything, and then I think, but 1:43:04.479 --> 1:43:07.680 I mean, Jonathan the castro director is such a lovely guy. 1:43:07.720 --> 1:43:08.960 I really like him. 1:43:09.240 --> 1:43:10.600 And then I got an offer, and I was like, 1:43:10.680 --> 1:43:13.280 I think they were just like, we're out of options 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:17.920 and this guy, we need to get him off the 1:43:17.920 --> 1:43:20.040 circuit for this show. We'll give him this. 1:43:21.439 --> 1:43:23.120 Well, and you're friends with Dean Winters. 1:43:23.240 --> 1:43:26.120 Yeah, yeah, I know Dean. We just had a FaceTime 1:43:26.160 --> 1:43:27.000 with him the other day. 1:43:27.240 --> 1:43:28.599 Well, because that was fine. 1:43:28.640 --> 1:43:30.960 On the plane, you were going through our podcast and 1:43:31.040 --> 1:43:34.040 almost like every few seconds you'd be like, that's my friend. Wait, 1:43:34.080 --> 1:43:36.600 I know that you know Robert John Burke, like you 1:43:36.640 --> 1:43:38.000 know so many of the svs. 1:43:39.560 --> 1:43:41.920 Yeah. I called Kevin not long ago, and I was like, dude, 1:43:41.960 --> 1:43:45.320 I didn't know you were regular or recurry. I didn't 1:43:45.360 --> 1:43:45.960 know what he don't. 1:43:46.280 --> 1:43:48.160 I still don't know what exactly he's doing. 1:43:48.280 --> 1:43:51.040 Karas Max, we're recurring right now. We're hoping he becomes 1:43:51.040 --> 1:43:54.040 a regular. I'm annoyed. They just premiered the season this week, 1:43:54.080 --> 1:43:56.000 and I thought I was going to see him in 1:43:56.040 --> 1:43:58.280 the credits, in the main credits, I thought he was 1:43:58.280 --> 1:44:00.280 going to become one of the regulars. I think he's 1:44:00.560 --> 1:44:03.679 a very needed bit of humor to the show because 1:44:03.680 --> 1:44:04.960 he's funny, he's great. 1:44:06.000 --> 1:44:09.840 Kevin's wonderful. I've known Kevin a very long time. We 1:44:09.960 --> 1:44:12.120 used to be in this theater group together. 1:44:12.400 --> 1:44:13.719 Was it the one with Amy Schumer? 1:44:14.120 --> 1:44:14.640 Yeah? 1:44:14.920 --> 1:44:16.760 Yeah, yeah, the collective. 1:44:17.200 --> 1:44:19.400 It was fun. A lot of us studied at the 1:44:19.400 --> 1:44:22.160 same place and I wasn't in their class, but I 1:44:22.240 --> 1:44:23.280 met them afterwards. 1:44:23.400 --> 1:44:26.360 You probably know so many actors. I really hype up 1:44:26.400 --> 1:44:29.080 that time in New York in my head that I 1:44:29.120 --> 1:44:31.920 wasn't there where people were like auditioning in person and 1:44:32.520 --> 1:44:34.759 running around and you probably and not that any shows 1:44:34.800 --> 1:44:36.800 shot there, and you probably all saw each other, and 1:44:36.840 --> 1:44:39.160 I like have this fantasy of that time. 1:44:38.960 --> 1:44:42.200 In my head. I loved that time of life, especially 1:44:42.520 --> 1:44:44.960 like before I had an agent or anything, and like 1:44:45.560 --> 1:44:48.439 I'd finished wait tables and I'd go and I had 1:44:48.479 --> 1:44:53.800 a manager's log in to break downs. I met her. 1:44:53.960 --> 1:44:55.960 I met her a few years ago at a film 1:44:56.000 --> 1:44:59.200 festival and I was like, thank you because I got 1:44:59.240 --> 1:45:01.360 a job because I had your log in. 1:45:01.600 --> 1:45:02.439 That's so cool. 1:45:02.840 --> 1:45:04.880 Like run around and like drop your head, shout out 1:45:04.920 --> 1:45:08.839 at casting director's offices and before they put out boxes 1:45:08.840 --> 1:45:12.200 that were like if you are submitting yourself, put it 1:45:12.240 --> 1:45:14.360 in this box ten blocks down the road. 1:45:14.840 --> 1:45:17.280 Yeah, so you knew. Dean. 1:45:17.720 --> 1:45:21.200 I was like set, I was shooting. I was getting tasted, 1:45:21.439 --> 1:45:23.479 you know, all the all the scoop. 1:45:23.760 --> 1:45:27.599 Uh, it was good. Yeah, Dean, I mean Dean's he's 1:45:27.640 --> 1:45:30.840 a great dude. We have the same business manager. That's 1:45:31.240 --> 1:45:34.160 kind of how I met him originally. And then I 1:45:34.160 --> 1:45:37.639 think he and Lee Turgison are good buddies. I'm sure 1:45:37.720 --> 1:45:39.640 Lee's done every law and order there is. 1:45:40.080 --> 1:45:42.920 Well yeah, and they're both OZ boys, and I like 1:45:43.080 --> 1:45:44.839 was a huge OZ person. 1:45:45.160 --> 1:45:49.360 Oh yeah in OZ. Yeah, and getting taste. I sprained 1:45:49.360 --> 1:45:51.800 my ankle because I was trying to make it look real. 1:45:51.880 --> 1:45:54.599 And I was falling down that thing and I rolled 1:45:54.640 --> 1:45:57.759 my ankle over. Yeah, I'm trying to remember what else happened, 1:45:58.240 --> 1:45:59.880 So I ratted some people out. 1:46:00.080 --> 1:46:02.479 You did a great job. It's a really terrifying scene. 1:46:02.600 --> 1:46:05.200 I mean it's so like FATS past. You're like, what's 1:46:05.200 --> 1:46:07.800 going on? And like, I mean, I'm sorry about your ankle, 1:46:07.840 --> 1:46:09.280 but I think you it was worth it. 1:46:09.800 --> 1:46:15.360 Yeah, it definitely hurt. That's one of the one of 1:46:15.400 --> 1:46:18.719 the uh visceral memories of that show. 1:46:19.000 --> 1:46:22.280 Who directed it? I can't remember. Do you know that information? 1:46:22.840 --> 1:46:26.000 Jeandice Segodon Zach Oh, yeah, yeah, Jean. 1:46:26.200 --> 1:46:29.599 Yeah, he does a ton of Dick Wolf World stuff. 1:46:29.720 --> 1:46:30.200 Yeah. 1:46:30.360 --> 1:46:34.880 Yeah, he's done fifty two svs. Damn in their working. 1:46:34.960 --> 1:46:36.840 Yeah, they have a cycle there. 1:46:36.960 --> 1:46:38.519 So did you have to shoot it? Like a bunch 1:46:38.560 --> 1:46:42.040 of times of you just getting tased? I mean, like what, Yeah. 1:46:41.840 --> 1:46:45.400 I think we also dented in the lockers. I remember 1:46:45.439 --> 1:46:48.560 the Yeah, the lockers got Danadenners and they weren't like breakaway. 1:46:48.880 --> 1:46:52.000 Nothing good ever happens at the lockers. Whenever we get 1:46:52.000 --> 1:46:54.520 to see the lockers, you know, something's amiss. 1:46:54.920 --> 1:46:56.840 Yeah, school lockers. 1:46:56.479 --> 1:46:58.840 Too, Like honestly, this is a new thing. We're real. 1:46:58.960 --> 1:47:03.840 If there's a locker, usually nothing's good is inside of it, 1:47:03.960 --> 1:47:05.719 or a CoP's about to do something shady. 1:47:06.120 --> 1:47:06.599 Yeah. 1:47:06.600 --> 1:47:08.080 But even when I saw you, I was like, oh, 1:47:08.080 --> 1:47:10.680 you were a bad cop, Like I forgot that you 1:47:10.680 --> 1:47:12.640 you were good, were a whistleblower. 1:47:13.080 --> 1:47:14.360 Yeah that was the whistleblower. 1:47:14.680 --> 1:47:18.080 Yeah yeah, but it's bookended, you know, you just you 1:47:18.120 --> 1:47:20.320 get dragged off and then we learned that you're a hero. 1:47:20.800 --> 1:47:24.400 Well that that was the thing before when they offered it. 1:47:25.000 --> 1:47:27.240 You know, I got the script and I one of 1:47:27.240 --> 1:47:29.719 the things I emailed back, and I was like, there's 1:47:29.760 --> 1:47:31.840 got to be some resolution to this, dude, Like we 1:47:31.920 --> 1:47:35.200 can't because they asked if, you know, if I wanted 1:47:35.240 --> 1:47:37.040 to do it and whatnot. I was like, we. 1:47:37.000 --> 1:47:40.439 Should put in some resolution, like I just go away 1:47:40.479 --> 1:47:43.200 and then I'm kind of the hero and then don't 1:47:43.240 --> 1:47:46.640 get brought back in. So they wrote the scene of 1:47:46.760 --> 1:47:48.720 him coming back, coming to get me out of the 1:47:48.760 --> 1:47:49.960 hospital or whatever. 1:47:50.160 --> 1:47:52.559 Yeah, thank god. That would have been really dark for 1:47:52.640 --> 1:47:55.719 you to just be committed to a mental institution against 1:47:55.760 --> 1:47:57.360 your will and then left there forever. 1:47:57.880 --> 1:47:58.080 Yeah. 1:47:58.160 --> 1:48:03.640 Yeah, onlike other svus. But yeah, we're glad you we 1:48:03.760 --> 1:48:05.200 got some resolution as well. 1:48:05.960 --> 1:48:08.680 Yeah, did y'all start this because you wanted to? 1:48:08.960 --> 1:48:11.280 You were like, we're going to watch all of SVU 1:48:11.560 --> 1:48:13.679 or were you SVU fans? 1:48:13.760 --> 1:48:16.479 No, we started it because we have already seen every 1:48:16.479 --> 1:48:18.520 episode of SVU mosttimes. 1:48:18.760 --> 1:48:23.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, the day that me and Karen met. 1:48:23.960 --> 1:48:26.439 I don't know how sv got started. This was years ago, 1:48:26.880 --> 1:48:28.479 but I brought up. I used to follow a Twitter 1:48:28.479 --> 1:48:31.040 account called Doink Doink, and it would tweet anytime a 1:48:31.120 --> 1:48:33.759 Law and Order was on television what channel and what episode? 1:48:34.000 --> 1:48:34.400 Oh really? 1:48:34.479 --> 1:48:36.640 So I like I'd be on Twitter and be like, 1:48:36.680 --> 1:48:38.360 oh something, and I could change it. 1:48:38.720 --> 1:48:40.719 And so that's how we bonded. And then years later 1:48:40.880 --> 1:48:42.320 she had this idea. 1:48:43.040 --> 1:48:47.000 But now we're sick now, like we know the names 1:48:47.000 --> 1:48:51.160 of obscure episode who comes back? Like we're really at 1:48:51.160 --> 1:48:55.679 a place that's sick, and we'll start talking about plots 1:48:55.800 --> 1:48:59.040 very casually and forget that it is upsetting to certain people. 1:48:59.040 --> 1:49:01.160 You know, you can't just bring it up at dinner. 1:49:01.720 --> 1:49:03.680 They're like, oh yeah, his dick got chopped off and 1:49:03.680 --> 1:49:08.880 putting an ice bucket and people you're desensitized, you just 1:49:08.920 --> 1:49:11.240 say crazy shit and then you don't realize it until 1:49:11.240 --> 1:49:13.400 people are staring at being like, isn't that sad, and 1:49:13.439 --> 1:49:17.040 I'm like, it is, actually, yeah, I shouldn't. 1:49:17.240 --> 1:49:18.519 I shouldn't be so loose. 1:49:18.880 --> 1:49:21.880 And it's We're also really annoying to be around because 1:49:21.880 --> 1:49:25.400 if we're watching anything and someone's from SVU, they'll be like, oh, 1:49:25.439 --> 1:49:28.559 he was in an episode. Oh you know it's bad. Yeah, 1:49:28.600 --> 1:49:30.799 and now I'm moving and I'm looking around my apartment 1:49:30.840 --> 1:49:32.400 at all my SVU memorabilia. 1:49:32.439 --> 1:49:34.160 Now, yeah, it's a it's an issue. 1:49:35.040 --> 1:49:37.680 You did Criminal Intent back in nine, and then you 1:49:37.720 --> 1:49:40.400 did this in thirteen, and then you did OC really 1:49:40.479 --> 1:49:41.480 like kind of recently. 1:49:41.800 --> 1:49:42.160 Yeah. 1:49:42.200 --> 1:49:43.400 Are you mostly a bad guy? 1:49:44.280 --> 1:49:44.519 Yeah? 1:49:45.120 --> 1:49:48.040 I always die except for this SVU episode. 1:49:48.200 --> 1:49:50.559 Yeah, this was a turn as a good guy. 1:49:50.880 --> 1:49:51.120 Yeah. 1:49:51.240 --> 1:49:54.800 Wait, do you have any passions to be a good 1:49:54.960 --> 1:49:55.479 guy or. 1:49:55.479 --> 1:49:57.640 No, there's a film that I really want to do 1:49:57.720 --> 1:50:00.000 that he's a good guy as long as they can. 1:50:00.240 --> 1:50:06.320 They're financing everything done. But I like twisted, fucked up guys. Yeah, 1:50:06.360 --> 1:50:08.679 which usually ends in death for the most part. 1:50:09.800 --> 1:50:13.519 What's been your craziest death or most dramatic or something 1:50:13.560 --> 1:50:15.439 that maybe you just remember fondly. 1:50:15.840 --> 1:50:19.200 I mean the Outsider I did put my mouth to 1:50:19.320 --> 1:50:22.639 a rifle and pull the trigger. I did a movie 1:50:22.640 --> 1:50:26.240 called Sick where I got thrown over a railing and 1:50:26.360 --> 1:50:30.120 landed on the antlers. Some antlers have been knocked off 1:50:30.120 --> 1:50:34.320 the wall and the antlers went through me like this, which. 1:50:34.120 --> 1:50:36.920 Was pretty that's sick. That is sick. 1:50:37.479 --> 1:50:39.759 That was probably cool to watch the makeup and people 1:50:39.840 --> 1:50:43.400 try to figure that out, right, or who does that? 1:50:43.479 --> 1:50:45.040 Who gets the antlers through you? 1:50:45.520 --> 1:50:48.320 I think one of the girls pushed me over the edge, 1:50:48.640 --> 1:50:52.200 you know, I mean, it's movie magic. What other deaths 1:50:52.200 --> 1:50:56.839 have been? I mean the frying on Ozark was a first. Yeah, 1:50:57.040 --> 1:50:57.719 to get fried? 1:50:58.200 --> 1:51:01.040 That was a complicated one, like electric chair or like 1:51:01.120 --> 1:51:02.000 are you deep fried? 1:51:02.520 --> 1:51:05.320 He touches a ladder to get out of a boat. 1:51:05.360 --> 1:51:07.360 Yeah, the ladder is electrified. Oh that's fun. 1:51:07.720 --> 1:51:11.479 Yeah, hell yeah. I've considered putting together a death reel 1:51:12.760 --> 1:51:15.480 and just sent it out to cast Greicher's. 1:51:15.439 --> 1:51:18.320 You should you would blow up on TikTok. People would 1:51:18.320 --> 1:51:18.600 love that. 1:51:21.439 --> 1:51:22.439 I've never been on tick. 1:51:22.600 --> 1:51:25.920 I mean, I've seen somebody's TikTok before, never been on it. 1:51:26.560 --> 1:51:28.040 I don't I'm not allowed to have it on my 1:51:28.120 --> 1:51:32.519 phone because I love it too much. Yeah, I don't 1:51:32.520 --> 1:51:34.320 even love it. It just sucks you in. It's you know, 1:51:34.360 --> 1:51:37.280 it's like a slot machine, and I'm ready to be taken. 1:51:37.320 --> 1:51:39.640 I would much rather go to the slot machine. 1:51:40.720 --> 1:51:42.400 Do you play backgammon any chance? 1:51:42.600 --> 1:51:46.120 I play every morning. My wife and I play every day. 1:51:46.320 --> 1:51:48.840 Are you serious? It's like her favorite thing. I played 1:51:48.920 --> 1:51:49.400 last night. 1:51:49.479 --> 1:51:52.040 Yeah. I can't believe I got that vibe. 1:51:52.439 --> 1:51:54.360 No, we just did a We just played a game 1:51:54.400 --> 1:51:55.840 before I was coming on here. 1:51:56.280 --> 1:51:56.800 Wow. 1:51:57.160 --> 1:51:58.439 Incredible. Yeah. 1:51:58.520 --> 1:52:00.840 I brought it to the comedy store a couple weeks ago, 1:52:00.880 --> 1:52:03.559 and I started a trend, and now people play backgammon. 1:52:03.680 --> 1:52:04.320 I'm excited. 1:52:04.600 --> 1:52:07.040 We love it. We're extremely competitive. 1:52:07.200 --> 1:52:09.960 Wow. Yeah, it's more fun when you're competitive in that game, 1:52:10.000 --> 1:52:12.360 and when it gets super close you're losing by a role. 1:52:12.439 --> 1:52:14.200 Wow. I can't believe you guys play. 1:52:14.040 --> 1:52:15.479 Every day, every single day. 1:52:15.520 --> 1:52:16.519 That's so crazy. 1:52:16.760 --> 1:52:19.680 We wake up, Wiley gets on the bus to go 1:52:19.720 --> 1:52:24.760 to school. We usually play three to four games, and then. 1:52:24.600 --> 1:52:27.639 The daughter gets ready to go to school, and. 1:52:27.560 --> 1:52:32.879 Then we come back and we play a few more games, 1:52:32.960 --> 1:52:36.200 and then usually we take little breaks during the day 1:52:36.200 --> 1:52:36.599 and play. 1:52:36.840 --> 1:52:40.640 I'm obsessed And do you guys you have a little suitcase. 1:52:41.200 --> 1:52:42.000 Yeah. 1:52:42.040 --> 1:52:43.000 Wow, I can't. 1:52:42.760 --> 1:52:45.240 Believe you sensed this, Lisa. 1:52:45.640 --> 1:52:49.960 It's interesting how she was rolling really well today and 1:52:50.040 --> 1:52:54.080 I wasn't. But yesterday I rolled like three or four 1:52:54.120 --> 1:52:57.799 double sixes in a game, and you know, double fives 1:52:57.800 --> 1:53:00.400 and double fours, and it was almost like a perfect game. 1:53:00.680 --> 1:53:01.400 It's so fun. 1:53:01.560 --> 1:53:04.640 Well, when that happens in my family's home and my 1:53:04.720 --> 1:53:07.240 dad has a good role, my mom accuses him of cheating, 1:53:07.479 --> 1:53:10.000 and then they don't play for him on set of time, 1:53:10.160 --> 1:53:12.200 so watch out. 1:53:12.640 --> 1:53:16.840 There was one day recently where she had she had 1:53:16.880 --> 1:53:18.880 won a couple of games and then I started. I 1:53:18.920 --> 1:53:21.200 was just like looking in the little cup and doing 1:53:21.240 --> 1:53:23.479 this and then I rolled and I gotta I got 1:53:23.520 --> 1:53:24.120 a double six. 1:53:24.200 --> 1:53:26.880 I did it like two or three games in a row, 1:53:26.920 --> 1:53:29.240 and she was like stop stop that. 1:53:29.400 --> 1:53:31.160 I was like, people do it when they play craps, 1:53:31.160 --> 1:53:34.160 They like, you know, get the dice to the numbers 1:53:34.160 --> 1:53:37.080 that they want. And now my new thing is I go, 1:53:37.280 --> 1:53:40.519 I start shaking, I go, come on baby. And then. 1:53:42.439 --> 1:53:45.080 And a lot of times I have rolled double six. 1:53:45.080 --> 1:53:47.240 It's first roll, which is a great first role. 1:53:47.560 --> 1:53:50.080 Oh it's it's really fun. I love getting a five 1:53:50.080 --> 1:53:53.479 to six and a six one. Those always uh kind 1:53:53.520 --> 1:53:54.080 of excite me. 1:53:54.200 --> 1:53:55.960 I've literally never played, so I don't know what you 1:53:55.960 --> 1:53:57.000 guys are talking about. 1:53:58.000 --> 1:54:00.639 Well, I'm scared to I'm scared to teach Kara because 1:54:00.680 --> 1:54:03.479 she is very competitive. But I think for my own enjoyment, 1:54:03.720 --> 1:54:05.920 I got a teacher, so because I know you would 1:54:05.960 --> 1:54:07.880 take it upon yourself to get good, because I've sawt 1:54:07.880 --> 1:54:10.559 our other friend but he's not practicing. So then every 1:54:10.560 --> 1:54:12.559 time we play, it's not fun for me because he's 1:54:12.560 --> 1:54:16.160 not getting better. Yeah, so I think, Kara, maybe you 1:54:16.200 --> 1:54:17.880 would take it upon yourself. 1:54:17.520 --> 1:54:19.680 To get good because you want to win. 1:54:20.120 --> 1:54:22.559 We often say we're like, we have a problem. 1:54:23.360 --> 1:54:26.360 And the other day I had I had a zoom 1:54:26.400 --> 1:54:30.000 with the creator of the show that my wife's going 1:54:30.080 --> 1:54:33.640 to go do and I'm gonna do some In the zoom, 1:54:34.160 --> 1:54:37.480 I kept having to remind myself to pay attention because 1:54:37.600 --> 1:54:41.080 I was like I was in my head. We had 1:54:41.120 --> 1:54:44.400 just finished playing games. In my head, I started going 1:54:44.400 --> 1:54:48.800 through different scenarios on the backgammon board of like if 1:54:48.840 --> 1:54:52.760 I rolled this and the this, and I would be like, no, stop, 1:54:53.240 --> 1:54:55.040 listen to what, listen to what he's saying. 1:54:55.840 --> 1:54:58.160 Focus in forget about back Gavin for a second. 1:54:58.480 --> 1:54:59.920 Yeah, you know who else? 1:55:00.400 --> 1:55:04.200 I watched the Architectural Digests on YouTube and Aaron Paul 1:55:04.280 --> 1:55:05.840 and his wife play every morning too. 1:55:06.080 --> 1:55:09.560 Oh really we should do a tournament with him, right. 1:55:10.480 --> 1:55:13.200 Yeah, they live in some like cabins somewhere. But I 1:55:13.240 --> 1:55:15.839 get excited when I see it. You know, it's an ancient, 1:55:16.280 --> 1:55:18.480 ancient game, survived thousands of years. 1:55:18.480 --> 1:55:20.720 It's cool. Yeah, and now we get to play it. 1:55:20.960 --> 1:55:23.040 Do you have any other like memories of like the 1:55:23.120 --> 1:55:25.680 sview episode that you shot, or like our listeners will 1:55:25.720 --> 1:55:28.280 love any Maloney tidbits if you have those from OC 1:55:28.600 --> 1:55:29.640 you know Maloney. 1:55:30.120 --> 1:55:32.040 I had no idea what to expect going in to 1:55:32.040 --> 1:55:32.480 meet him. 1:55:32.760 --> 1:55:33.480 Uh huh. 1:55:33.640 --> 1:55:37.480 He's a fantastic person, like just a good human. 1:55:38.080 --> 1:55:39.080 I love going on a. 1:55:39.040 --> 1:55:43.880 Show that has like with the lead is just. 1:55:43.960 --> 1:55:47.400 Like somebody who's generous and gracious to everybody that works 1:55:47.440 --> 1:55:47.880 on the show. 1:55:48.120 --> 1:55:49.400 He's exactly that way. 1:55:50.440 --> 1:55:54.360 I went up to his room to rehearse something, and 1:55:54.440 --> 1:55:56.520 you know, we got to talking about he had one 1:55:56.520 --> 1:55:59.360 of those one of those rollers, those you know that 1:55:59.600 --> 1:56:01.560 you roll your muscles out. 1:56:01.960 --> 1:56:02.800 Yeah, we got. 1:56:02.880 --> 1:56:03.640 Chatting about that. 1:56:04.160 --> 1:56:06.640 He's a very buff dude. As I'm sure you can. 1:56:06.520 --> 1:56:07.680 Tell we've noticed. 1:56:08.080 --> 1:56:11.160 Yeah, he was such a great guy who, you know, 1:56:11.280 --> 1:56:14.240 knew everybody's name on set, which I'm like, that's that's 1:56:14.280 --> 1:56:18.960 how you should be when you're number one, not like 1:56:19.080 --> 1:56:22.160 other number ones that all of us actors have seen. 1:56:22.440 --> 1:56:25.919 Yeah, I'm going to ask a question after. 1:56:26.280 --> 1:56:29.440 Oh no, Yeah, you know, he was just like collaborative, 1:56:29.640 --> 1:56:32.960 which was which was great, especially in the scene. I 1:56:33.000 --> 1:56:36.000 forget what it was that we had a bunch of 1:56:36.040 --> 1:56:39.640 back and forth, and I also just kind of wanted 1:56:39.680 --> 1:56:42.800 to have a whiskey with him. Didn't do that, but 1:56:43.040 --> 1:56:44.760 we ended up having a couple of friends in common. 1:56:45.040 --> 1:56:48.360 I should have watched the SPU episode before I did this, 1:56:49.280 --> 1:56:52.400 and I didn't. I mean, I was glad to finally 1:56:53.040 --> 1:56:57.560 maybe be accepted by them because it had been so 1:56:57.640 --> 1:57:01.320 many times they've never called me back. How many years 1:57:01.360 --> 1:57:03.280 is that you have to go? Like, how many years 1:57:03.320 --> 1:57:04.680 before you can go back on the Chick? 1:57:04.840 --> 1:57:08.600 Well, apparently, like there's all different things we've heard, because 1:57:08.600 --> 1:57:10.680 at the very beginning they were like letting people come 1:57:10.680 --> 1:57:12.520 back and play different characters all the time, and then 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:15.240 I think now they make you wait a few years 1:57:15.480 --> 1:57:16.200 like in between. 1:57:16.560 --> 1:57:18.160 Yeah, yeah, but if you came. 1:57:18.040 --> 1:57:19.800 Back with your beard and your mustache. 1:57:19.840 --> 1:57:21.880 No one would know, no one would remember, I feel 1:57:21.920 --> 1:57:23.480 because they look very different. 1:57:23.640 --> 1:57:24.320 Yeah. 1:57:24.480 --> 1:57:28.120 Yeah, I want you getting arrested, you know at court 1:57:28.480 --> 1:57:29.760 freak out in the courtroom. 1:57:30.520 --> 1:57:34.320 Yeah, we could. It be fun to recreate that. Do 1:57:34.400 --> 1:57:36.680 you see that that guy that jumped over the. 1:57:37.120 --> 1:57:39.120 Yes, yes, do you think you can do that? 1:57:39.200 --> 1:57:40.760 You think you can get that kind of height. 1:57:41.840 --> 1:57:43.160 A little springboard down there. 1:57:44.840 --> 1:57:46.160 He got so much air. 1:57:46.400 --> 1:57:48.760 It really is horrifying that no one was able to 1:57:48.760 --> 1:57:51.320 stop him, but he got air air. 1:57:52.040 --> 1:57:55.920 Yeah, I mean, I mean, I would love to. 1:57:56.000 --> 1:57:59.920 I've only auditioned for Dick wolf once and I wasn't 1:58:00.080 --> 1:58:02.520 told that he was going to be there, and it 1:58:02.720 --> 1:58:06.040 threw me off. I think it was for maybe FBI 1:58:06.240 --> 1:58:09.080 or something. I was, you know, I think I was 1:58:09.120 --> 1:58:12.160 also like in a weird spot, in a breakup or something, 1:58:12.880 --> 1:58:15.480 and I went in there and Dick Wolfe was in there. 1:58:16.600 --> 1:58:19.840 I'd never seen him. He didn't look like what I 1:58:19.960 --> 1:58:22.760 thought he would look like. So that also threw me 1:58:22.800 --> 1:58:25.520 off and turned out to be one of the worst 1:58:25.520 --> 1:58:27.360 auditions I've ever done. 1:58:26.840 --> 1:58:31.600 And he may have just like flagged that been like 1:58:31.880 --> 1:58:33.920 that guy never again. 1:58:34.600 --> 1:58:36.400 Well, you still but you've been on three. 1:58:36.600 --> 1:58:38.640 I mean they just your OC episode was only a 1:58:38.680 --> 1:58:39.600 year or two ago. 1:58:39.480 --> 1:58:43.480 Right, Like, so, yeah, you can't be blacklisted that hard. 1:58:44.120 --> 1:58:45.240 No, that's that's true. 1:58:45.480 --> 1:58:48.040 No, but I'm with you. When I first saw Dick Wolfe, 1:58:48.080 --> 1:58:51.640 I went to like a Pailey Center thing to watch 1:58:51.680 --> 1:58:54.640 them all talk. I was shocked when he walked out, 1:58:54.640 --> 1:58:56.520 and I don't even know what I was anticipating, but 1:58:56.640 --> 1:58:58.680 it was a real I don't know. 1:58:58.760 --> 1:59:01.360 Yeah, I was like, wait, that's that's not what you've 1:59:01.360 --> 1:59:04.360 looked like in my mind for me however many years. 1:59:05.360 --> 1:59:08.960 But I will say that Mariska Hargite, I remember doing 1:59:08.960 --> 1:59:11.760 the going in for the table read of that for 1:59:11.840 --> 1:59:15.720 that episode, and she came in and she was just like, hey, 1:59:15.840 --> 1:59:19.200 everybody like you know, went around, hugged everybody's neck around 1:59:19.240 --> 1:59:23.560 the table, shook my hand, and yes, she was totally 1:59:23.600 --> 1:59:26.960 different than what I thought what you always see on TV. 1:59:27.960 --> 1:59:32.040 Just very kind and generous lady. I can't believe she's 1:59:32.080 --> 1:59:33.480 done that show for how many years? 1:59:33.920 --> 1:59:36.000 Did twenty five? Diseason just started? 1:59:36.400 --> 1:59:37.080 Holy Swim. 1:59:37.120 --> 1:59:40.200 The premiere was last week and it was a good episode. 1:59:40.280 --> 1:59:42.240 I would say, yeah. 1:59:41.920 --> 1:59:45.280 Now you got good number one energy from Maloney and 1:59:45.400 --> 1:59:49.880 from Marushka Hargita. What about Vincent Diinofrio from Criminal Intent? 1:59:51.120 --> 1:59:53.440 Kara was a page on that set one time. 1:59:53.720 --> 1:59:56.360 Yeah, oh you were well, yeah, I mean, I just 1:59:56.360 --> 1:59:58.520 always remember hearing things about him. 1:59:58.800 --> 2:00:04.520 Here's what I remember about Vincent Andafrio. He got a 2:00:04.560 --> 2:00:07.919 sushi truck in one night, got sushi for everybody. 2:00:08.080 --> 2:00:12.040 It was great. And I also was like, you know, 2:00:12.600 --> 2:00:14.480 I was still I was getting. 2:00:14.160 --> 2:00:17.360 The bait, you know, the base rate, and I was 2:00:17.400 --> 2:00:21.640 about to go on a trip to Italy or something. 2:00:22.680 --> 2:00:25.760 And he came in in the scene where like I'm 2:00:25.880 --> 2:00:28.760 dead with blood coming out of the back of my 2:00:28.960 --> 2:00:32.520 head and we were already at like thirteen fourteen hours 2:00:32.560 --> 2:00:35.160 something like that, and he came in and he goes, 2:00:35.760 --> 2:00:37.800 just gonna let everybody know, I don't know any of 2:00:37.840 --> 2:00:38.440 these lines. 2:00:39.240 --> 2:00:42.040 I'm not gonna rush it. We're gonna take our time. 2:00:42.600 --> 2:00:45.400 And I was I go, yes, because I was like, 2:00:45.600 --> 2:00:47.240 I'm gonna get so much. 2:00:47.160 --> 2:00:51.400 Over time, and I did, hell yeah. 2:00:51.480 --> 2:00:53.280 Then it was it was a long scene. 2:00:53.600 --> 2:00:56.000 I bet for that reason he was adored by actors 2:00:56.240 --> 2:00:59.600 and not as much producers and directors. 2:00:59.680 --> 2:00:59.960 Problem. 2:01:00.760 --> 2:01:01.280 I love that. 2:01:01.320 --> 2:01:01.560 Well. 2:01:01.640 --> 2:01:05.400 You mentioned wild number ones and without naming names. What 2:01:05.560 --> 2:01:07.600 is the craziest thing you've seen where you're like, what 2:01:07.720 --> 2:01:08.440 is happening? 2:01:09.840 --> 2:01:12.720 Be like, we're just here to act. What's going on? 2:01:13.400 --> 2:01:17.360 I mean I had one who just straight up left 2:01:17.480 --> 2:01:22.880 after their coverage and left their double to do my coverage. 2:01:23.360 --> 2:01:25.680 But I said something to like one of the hair 2:01:25.680 --> 2:01:29.520 and makeup ladies and they were like, she's crazy. She's 2:01:29.600 --> 2:01:34.040 like she tried to attack somebody with a pencil in 2:01:34.080 --> 2:01:38.000 the makeup trailer and she was like, there's nobody on 2:01:38.040 --> 2:01:40.840 the crew likes her. She just is a total mess. 2:01:40.880 --> 2:01:43.360 And she hadn't even worked that much. That was the thing. 2:01:43.440 --> 2:01:46.160 I was like, I was grateful to have a job 2:01:46.400 --> 2:01:48.640 that I had worked quite a lot more than she had, 2:01:48.920 --> 2:01:50.320 but she was kind of a nightmare. 2:01:51.160 --> 2:01:54.200 Stabbing on a set is yeah, a pencil. 2:01:53.960 --> 2:01:56.600 So yeah, you don't Yeah, I mean I guess it 2:01:56.720 --> 2:01:59.560 was a nice weapon, nice rute. 2:01:59.720 --> 2:02:03.560 Yeah, it could have been worse. But the hair and 2:02:03.600 --> 2:02:06.240 makeup people always know everything. 2:02:06.480 --> 2:02:06.920 Oh they know. 2:02:07.320 --> 2:02:09.840 They're my favorite people, I would say to gossip with. 2:02:10.120 --> 2:02:14.800 It is the gossip chain in there, and they see everything. 2:02:15.240 --> 2:02:16.720 They're the first people I make friends with. 2:02:17.400 --> 2:02:19.440 Yeah, and they're the ones that are gonna make you 2:02:19.440 --> 2:02:22.360 look good, don't piss them off, that's true, or make 2:02:22.400 --> 2:02:26.400 you impaled with a dear antler, whatever, whatever's happening that day. 2:02:26.880 --> 2:02:30.560 Is there anywhere that our listeners can find you, or 2:02:30.600 --> 2:02:33.360 something coming out that you'd like to tell them about 2:02:33.600 --> 2:02:34.360 or anything like that. 2:02:34.680 --> 2:02:37.640 Yeah, you have like six things on your IMDb coming up. 2:02:37.720 --> 2:02:39.560 I was wondering if you was anything you wanted to 2:02:39.600 --> 2:02:41.600 specifically tell people to look out for. 2:02:42.200 --> 2:02:45.600 The Big Cigars coming out sometime this year. 2:02:45.720 --> 2:02:47.960 I don't know that it was one of those things 2:02:48.000 --> 2:02:51.680 get pushed because I'm hoping that's going to be a 2:02:51.720 --> 2:02:54.160 good show. Is fun, There's a lot of fun that one. 2:02:54.240 --> 2:02:57.240 And then American Rust had a great. 2:02:57.000 --> 2:03:01.240 Time on The Big Cigar is Apple TV, Apple Plus Yeah, yeah. 2:03:00.960 --> 2:03:06.520 Big Scars, Apple, American Rust. I think is going to Amazon. Okay, yeah, 2:03:07.040 --> 2:03:09.720 American Rest is going to Amazon. I think it's going 2:03:09.800 --> 2:03:10.040 to be in. 2:03:10.040 --> 2:03:12.040 The spring, really doing cool stuff. 2:03:12.440 --> 2:03:15.760 Yeah. I just got this cool I don't know if 2:03:15.800 --> 2:03:17.280 I can say what it is, but I got this 2:03:17.720 --> 2:03:21.280 great movie with Judy Greer and Emma Thompson. 2:03:21.760 --> 2:03:24.000 Whoa two of my faves. 2:03:24.400 --> 2:03:27.520 I was literally like I told my wife, I was like, 2:03:27.600 --> 2:03:31.080 I don't feel like I should be in their company 2:03:32.440 --> 2:03:33.760 and she was like, shut up. 2:03:35.720 --> 2:03:39.400 Should She seems cool and. 2:03:39.360 --> 2:03:41.800 It's kind of a three hander, so it'll be fun. 2:03:42.040 --> 2:03:44.560 Thank you so much, Mark for taking the time to 2:03:44.600 --> 2:03:47.880 talk to us today and connect with a fellow backgammon enthusiast. 2:03:48.160 --> 2:03:52.840 Yeah. Yeah, that was. 2:03:52.800 --> 2:03:55.640 Pretty impressive of me that I just knew he would 2:03:55.720 --> 2:03:59.120 like backgammon. I think that's like a pretty psychic. 2:03:58.720 --> 2:04:02.040 Moment, a psychic. I was like, where's this gonna go? 2:04:02.240 --> 2:04:04.720 He might not play backgammon, and then he was like, 2:04:04.920 --> 2:04:07.000 I just finished play. It was so good. 2:04:07.160 --> 2:04:07.520 Listen. 2:04:08.040 --> 2:04:11.000 You know people, you're intuitive, You're an unpath. 2:04:12.480 --> 2:04:13.440 He's living a good life. 2:04:13.520 --> 2:04:15.320 I like, was doing some crowd work and I looked 2:04:15.320 --> 2:04:17.440 at a guy to like agree or disagree with me, 2:04:17.480 --> 2:04:18.880 and I go, you know, I chose you because you 2:04:18.920 --> 2:04:22.040 do look like a Republican and then he goes, I am. 2:04:22.160 --> 2:04:25.320 I go, yeah, I sends it off of you. I'm like, 2:04:26.360 --> 2:04:28.080 I'm like, and I knew you would keep me honest 2:04:28.200 --> 2:04:31.640 because you're you know, you don't like women speaking, and that. 2:04:31.720 --> 2:04:33.800 Is why your crowd work is so good, because you, oh, 2:04:33.920 --> 2:04:36.120 you do notice and sends things about people all the time. 2:04:36.120 --> 2:04:36.840 You're like you guys just. 2:04:36.760 --> 2:04:41.440 Get engaged and they're like yesterday, You're always like zeroing 2:04:41.480 --> 2:04:42.120 in on people. 2:04:42.160 --> 2:04:44.320 It's so wild, it's so fun. 2:04:44.440 --> 2:04:46.800 It's so fun to see everyone out and about and 2:04:46.880 --> 2:04:50.040 on the flight. I mean this was our first flight booking. 2:04:49.800 --> 2:04:53.560 So that was exciting, Yes, booking somebody from Delta. 2:04:53.880 --> 2:04:54.400 Amazing. 2:04:54.800 --> 2:04:58.800 Good work everybody involved, including comedian Amy Miller post mortem 2:04:58.840 --> 2:05:03.880 on this episode. The cops are fucked, Like, I don't know, 2:05:04.160 --> 2:05:07.040 the cops are bad, uh in. 2:05:07.240 --> 2:05:09.520 When they're bad, they don't care that they're bad. They're 2:05:09.560 --> 2:05:12.520 de Lulu, they're just punks. 2:05:13.160 --> 2:05:16.600 Yeah, it's so wild to me because like this woman, 2:05:17.280 --> 2:05:20.240 the one that is Nina from uh Sex and the City, 2:05:21.040 --> 2:05:24.480 Like you've been in a male dominated field this and that, 2:05:24.600 --> 2:05:26.600 and you're just like letting men get away with stuff 2:05:26.680 --> 2:05:27.680 like over a crush. 2:05:27.720 --> 2:05:30.320 It's like kind of disappointing. Listen. 2:05:30.560 --> 2:05:33.160 You know, we talk about it, the like closeness to 2:05:33.240 --> 2:05:36.600 power sometimes is more appealing to people than like fighting 2:05:36.680 --> 2:05:41.280 the good fight or even not caring. But yeah, it's 2:05:41.400 --> 2:05:44.720 just like common. Yeah, a guy's gal, it's a you know, 2:05:44.760 --> 2:05:46.840 there's a term for it. She's a guy's gal. 2:05:47.240 --> 2:05:49.160 A guy's gal. A picc me girl. 2:05:49.360 --> 2:05:52.480 Yes, indeed, you want to be a girl's girl in 2:05:52.520 --> 2:05:55.880 this world because the men will always handmade. 2:05:55.600 --> 2:05:57.200 Tail you you know what I mean. 2:05:57.480 --> 2:06:01.400 Like, No, there's not gonna be a situe like ivy, 2:06:01.640 --> 2:06:04.000 Like the path to our birth control like to our 2:06:04.040 --> 2:06:06.840 iud is getting ripped out is months away, and it 2:06:06.920 --> 2:06:09.760 is just like they will not protect you. These men 2:06:09.800 --> 2:06:12.360 will never have your side. So it's like, why be 2:06:12.600 --> 2:06:15.400 a guy's goal. He's not even fucking you. It's not 2:06:15.520 --> 2:06:20.320 like you're even digmatized. Yes, it's so wild, it is wild. 2:06:20.320 --> 2:06:22.760 I also want to congratulate myself. I did not mention 2:06:22.880 --> 2:06:27.040 Taylor Swift, so that's congrats until just now. Yeah, So 2:06:27.120 --> 2:06:29.840 I just wanted to say that. I just wanted to 2:06:29.880 --> 2:06:31.960 throw that out there. I do want to complain about 2:06:32.000 --> 2:06:34.120 a personal thing quickly, because I just looked over and 2:06:34.120 --> 2:06:36.440 I saw the boxes of this. So because of my 2:06:36.520 --> 2:06:39.040 fucked up tweety tattoo, I do have to use some 2:06:39.120 --> 2:06:42.680 scar cream, and so I bought some Maderma whatever normal. 2:06:42.760 --> 2:06:45.000 I'm gonna use that for a few months, chill the 2:06:45.040 --> 2:06:48.360 scars down and fragrance in it. 2:06:48.920 --> 2:06:51.400 Why does a scar gel need a fragrance? 2:06:52.000 --> 2:06:55.400 No, Maderma doesn't it's supposed to be unscented, I know. 2:06:55.640 --> 2:06:57.200 And so I bought this other brand. 2:06:57.200 --> 2:06:59.760 We'll see it's scar Away, but I bought a gel, 2:06:59.800 --> 2:07:02.040 but there's also a patch that stays on for ten 2:07:02.120 --> 2:07:04.720 days and you know for my lifestyle, that works real great. 2:07:04.800 --> 2:07:06.240 Yeah, so we'll. 2:07:06.000 --> 2:07:08.840 See, Yeah, love that, but whatever, I just wanted to say, 2:07:08.840 --> 2:07:11.520 like why, like why is it in such crazy things? 2:07:11.680 --> 2:07:15.560 But also acab Forever. Sorry I made it about me 2:07:15.640 --> 2:07:18.240 and the fragrances, but it's just upsetting. 2:07:18.440 --> 2:07:20.680 No one's like I love Maderma. It makes me smell 2:07:20.760 --> 2:07:23.280 like roses. I mean, that's like not the point of Maderma, 2:07:23.440 --> 2:07:24.360 you know, like it's not. 2:07:24.560 --> 2:07:26.919 I just don't get why there's a fragrance. It's so crazy. 2:07:28.120 --> 2:07:31.360 But let's chugg along to our what would Sister Peg 2:07:31.440 --> 2:07:35.000 do our WWSPD for the Week. That's our segment where 2:07:35.000 --> 2:07:39.520 we point you guys to a organization, a book, an article, 2:07:39.600 --> 2:07:41.160 something to give you more info about what we talked 2:07:41.160 --> 2:07:43.520 about today. And this week, we wanted to point out 2:07:43.560 --> 2:07:47.320 the American Civil Liberties Union, also known as the ACLU, 2:07:47.520 --> 2:07:51.240 and specifically highlight how they're working to stop systemic problem 2:07:51.280 --> 2:07:54.120 of police sexual violence and their recommendations for changes that 2:07:54.200 --> 2:07:57.640 need to be made. They work to hold officers accountable, 2:07:57.760 --> 2:08:01.560 prevent reoccurrence, and to expand the power of civilian review 2:08:01.560 --> 2:08:05.520 boards to lead investigations. So consider donating to the ACLU 2:08:05.560 --> 2:08:10.080 to fight for criminal law reform. Donations help fund strategic legislation, advocacy, 2:08:10.560 --> 2:08:13.560 and organizing that is needed to help push for reform 2:08:13.760 --> 2:08:16.200 in the policing and bail systems. So you can get 2:08:16.200 --> 2:08:19.120 more information at WWACLU dot org. But we have a 2:08:19.160 --> 2:08:21.720 specific article on their site that we will be linking 2:08:21.760 --> 2:08:23.720 to in our stories and it will be in our 2:08:23.760 --> 2:08:26.640 show notes. And as always, our stories are saved in 2:08:26.680 --> 2:08:30.240 a highlight on our Instagram called WWSPD and do follow 2:08:30.240 --> 2:08:31.960 our instagram. That's Messed Up Pod. 2:08:32.120 --> 2:08:34.160 Thank you so much for that, Karen. I do apologize 2:08:34.200 --> 2:08:34.879 to the listeners. 2:08:34.960 --> 2:08:37.320 I did put some gushers in my mouth as Kara talked, 2:08:37.320 --> 2:08:41.320 and I need a second and I'm back and next 2:08:41.320 --> 2:08:44.640 week please watch along as we do the episode cage 2:08:44.800 --> 2:08:48.920 from season eight, Episode eight, Double eights, Baby my lucky number? 2:08:49.200 --> 2:08:51.120 Did you used to go eight times eight? Fell on 2:08:51.160 --> 2:08:51.640 the floor? 2:08:51.640 --> 2:08:56.280 Pick it up? It's sixty four? No, yeah, I did that. 2:08:56.280 --> 2:08:57.720 That's fun. 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