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Speaker 2: Shall we start, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode
Speaker 2: of Quest Love Supreme. I'm your host quest Love Jenkins. Uh,
Speaker 2: you got the Supreme family, fresh off of our fifth anniversary,
Speaker 2: fresh from the Met Gala.
Speaker 1: What's up on pay Bill?
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I was just taking off my alpha
Speaker 3: from met Gala. Everything's good. It was good, it was fun.
Speaker 1: What did you do at Wow?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was Kim's uh uh you know Date,
Speaker 1: I was black a second actually was Can you imagine that.
Speaker 5: Was the.
Speaker 1: Dude you work with muppets all day?
Speaker 2: Of course I can imagine that you could have just
Speaker 2: borrowed an outfit that's much more American than the than
Speaker 2: the Muppets.
Speaker 3: I will say I've had some great Halloween costumes care
Speaker 3: of the costume department at Sesame Street.
Speaker 2: I was I was going to say, are you allowed
Speaker 2: to borrow like extra costumes if you return it.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if the loudest correct word, but yes,
Speaker 3: I have procure pure.
Speaker 1: Duck like a spare big bird offset.
Speaker 3: I have not snuck puppets offset that would give me, like,
Speaker 3: you know, jail time. But I have stolen other people's costumes.
Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, we got we gotta reinterview you one day, Bill, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for real.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know I am a book of open knowledge.
Speaker 3: What I'm a open book. That's fine, that's fine, That's
Speaker 3: that's fine with me. I'm ready to talk at any time.
Speaker 3: You tell me what talk, I'll go, Suger Steve, Yes,
Speaker 3: you have you found Have you found God?
Speaker 1: Yet?
Speaker 3: Not exactly, But I am working on the greatest audio
Speaker 3: book right now.
Speaker 1: To tell Steve.
Speaker 2: Look, okay, I went overboard in the pandemic. I wrote
Speaker 2: to books and it's held. Steve is losing his hair
Speaker 2: right now because the book is like thirty chapters.
Speaker 1: What hair? Oh wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you know I had nothing to do.
Speaker 2: I was doing Summer Soul on the day, be born
Speaker 2: on the farm. At night, you start journaling and somehow
Speaker 2: got turned into a thirty chapter book or whatever.
Speaker 1: You live the dream right up. You should break that
Speaker 1: joint up.
Speaker 2: You should break that joint up into an audio book,
Speaker 2: into thirty second snippets and put that shit on Spotify
Speaker 2: and bring your numbers up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you just got marketed that that Yes, that's why
Speaker 6: we wish we paid Fronte the big bucks that.
Speaker 5: See he's wearing his glasses today.
Speaker 1: I got my stringle bell glasses. He's smart, smart tage
Speaker 1: run around my company all day.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, and with the with the special auburn.
Speaker 1: I think that's I don't know if it's my red
Speaker 1: light or you're special.
Speaker 5: Real family to me because as family, you all don't
Speaker 5: recognize I got my hair done until two months later.
Speaker 5: That is tofo me or thank you. We are family.
Speaker 2: It is that shows you that we're we're real guys
Speaker 2: because guys don't recognize.
Speaker 1: We don't notice none.
Speaker 2: We notice if you cut it, like if you cut it,
Speaker 2: I'll notice you cut your hair.
Speaker 1: But a new style too.
Speaker 5: Much cool saying this is what can I just say
Speaker 5: before we get into it. I just wanted to also
Speaker 5: big up to LA because we've got a big decision
Speaker 5: to make today. I know this is gonna come out later,
Speaker 5: but some new some newsometime crazy mess.
Speaker 7: Got time.
Speaker 1: I have faith. I'm also running for governor of California.
Speaker 5: The list is long enough.
Speaker 1: Hey man, you know, look about our guest today.
Speaker 2: Without any doubt in my mind, I believe that our
Speaker 2: guest is the founding member of the first Hip hop
Speaker 2: band wow, meaning a unit without a direct leader. You know, no,
Speaker 2: no disrespect to the James Brown Empire and whatnot. And
Speaker 2: even though technically Virginia's own Winston's They're They're a classic single,
Speaker 2: Amen brother, that interpolation of you know, Curtis Mayfield's Uh
Speaker 2: We're a Winner, which weird enough they never got litigious on.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to open up any can of
Speaker 1: worms with that.
Speaker 2: Even though that's been sampled five thousand plus times, making
Speaker 2: that the most sampled single. I'll say that our guest
Speaker 2: today holds as leader of this band, holds the dubious
Speaker 2: honor of having the most sampled catalog by a band.
Speaker 1: In music.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying hip hop because that's that's limiting it.
Speaker 2: Like throughout music, pop artists have sampled cool and so yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know this dame like Summer Madness has been
Speaker 2: used billions of times.
Speaker 1: Uh in t no title. People don't know that NT
Speaker 1: stands for no title.
Speaker 2: Name them jungle boogie, give it up, Hollywood Swinging, Uh,
Speaker 2: Winter Sadness, Sport with Lightning ride, dungle jazz.
Speaker 1: Uh So what was what was? What was a ho
Speaker 1: happy Jackie with Oh Little Children? Oh Little Children exactly
Speaker 1: all the others like over.
Speaker 2: I believe the precise numbers eighteen hundred samples over songs
Speaker 2: that have either sold gazillion.
Speaker 1: Triple or or just been declared classic.
Speaker 2: But to me, what's more, probably more incredible about the
Speaker 2: legacy of Cooling Gang, is probably their ability to check
Speaker 2: the forecast and adjust accordingly throughout the decades, be it
Speaker 2: like the their their jazz soul instrumental heavy beginnings, with
Speaker 2: those like the self titled record and the two live
Speaker 2: albums that came after it, more soul Yeah, Live at
Speaker 2: Pj's and Sex Machine, the soul oriented stuff like Music
Speaker 2: and Message and Good Times, or their funk masterpiece Wild
Speaker 2: and Peaceful Light of the World, Spirit of the Bookie.
Speaker 2: Those records probably one of the finest disco jazz. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: here's a new word. I just figured out an unpaid
Speaker 2: bill was not a new word. I did not know
Speaker 2: what a porna mental was. Oh, the combination of they
Speaker 2: call it dazz music disco jazz anyway and in the
Speaker 2: open Sesame record, and also their growth into adulthood with
Speaker 2: Celebrate and Ladies' Night, and you know their pop success Joanna.
Speaker 1: Yes in the heart.
Speaker 2: Johanna's album as one Something Special The Emergency Record was
Speaker 2: like one of their biggest selling albums.
Speaker 1: UH to this day hashtag to this day.
Speaker 5: UH.
Speaker 2: This band continues to still operate and their sound is
Speaker 2: around forever, be it samples or seeing them a real
Speaker 2: deal live.
Speaker 1: They still make records and they continue to brighten our lives.
Speaker 2: And this is a long overdue, overdue episode of US Love. Yes,
Speaker 2: Basim and gentlemen, please welcome the namesake of one of
Speaker 2: the greatest bands in music, Robert cool.
Speaker 1: Bell Coolni Gang. Yes, indeed, how are you? How are
Speaker 1: you doing today?
Speaker 7: I'm doing fine. Quest his story when it comes to
Speaker 7: cool a guy.
Speaker 2: Well, you guys, maybe you know, I'm just glad to
Speaker 2: be in great company. And you know, you guys literally
Speaker 2: have have written the blueprint that you know we are
Speaker 2: still following.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's hard to do that.
Speaker 2: Like oftentimes when people look at the story of groups
Speaker 2: and bands that have been around since the sixties and
Speaker 2: the seventies, there's a point in the eighties in which
Speaker 2: you kind of have to make life decisions on do
Speaker 2: you go with the flow, do you fight it, do
Speaker 2: you sabotage it? And you guys probably I'll say that,
Speaker 2: of course, the story of the Jackson's is exemplary. But
Speaker 2: you know, you guys, along with the Pointer sisters, along
Speaker 2: with Lionel Richie, like, the transition from making it to
Speaker 2: the seventies to the eighties was a very hard one
Speaker 2: that most people they make it, yeah, they they take
Speaker 2: it for granted. Like a lot of those you know
Speaker 2: that we loved, they found they found some sort of uh,
Speaker 2: sustaining power via the power of sampling. But you know,
Speaker 2: there was a period in the eighties in which a
Speaker 2: lot of those bands didn't make it.
Speaker 1: You guys found a way to.
Speaker 2: Really adjust and the silence, as we say, silence to
Speaker 2: the haters that might have had disdain because every record
Speaker 2: didn't sound like jungle boogie whatnot. But I mean, I
Speaker 2: I personally love in hindsight, how you guys have done that.
Speaker 2: And you know, as a member of a black band
Speaker 2: that's almost going on in the third decade, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's exemplar. Thank you, thank you very much on
Speaker 2: full exemplary. You know, I also want to note yesterday
Speaker 2: I got in the mail your I love your also
Speaker 2: your fora into the spirit.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the spirit, of the boogie the spirit world.
Speaker 2: You have your own champagne called lay cool I like,
Speaker 2: and I'm holding it even though they can't see it
Speaker 2: at home. I'm showing you guys right now that you
Speaker 2: know Robert cool Bell has its own When did you
Speaker 2: When did.
Speaker 1: You get into actually a mirror?
Speaker 2: But uh, when did you When did you first start
Speaker 2: your kind of your foray into the world of.
Speaker 1: A fine drink?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean what happened was I was on tour
Speaker 4: about three or four years now from Mota.
Speaker 7: He came up to me.
Speaker 4: He said, listen, you know we had it was in
Speaker 4: fast and we had about twenty days seven sold out.
Speaker 7: And we're got ready to do it tour.
Speaker 4: Of course, said to me, listen, I'm doing a champagne
Speaker 4: with the late Berry White and the Erry White look
Speaker 4: alike and also one of the BG's.
Speaker 2: At the time there was a very white lookalike touring
Speaker 2: in Europe.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they had a bit looks like you were doing
Speaker 7: Suffer club dates.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, I wasn't ready for that one.
Speaker 7: He asked me.
Speaker 4: Uh he said, uh uh, would you like to sell
Speaker 4: champagne on your tour and come up with your own champagne?
Speaker 4: I said, well, listen, then, I don't think that my
Speaker 4: fans we want to take a bottle of champagne after
Speaker 4: my show. They want the T shirts and caps and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. So I said, listen, I want to
Speaker 4: get on the shelves. He said, oh, I said, yeah,
Speaker 4: I want you on the shelves.
Speaker 7: I ain't talking about no tour, no promo item.
Speaker 4: With this idea and concept with the leg Who Champagne
Speaker 4: and up in the Rims where they make Don Peril
Speaker 4: on Crystal, all the big boys up there. You know,
Speaker 4: we end up cutting the deal with the Burchelo family
Speaker 4: and we worked on this for about a year and
Speaker 4: a half. I went to the Cool Champagne and I
Speaker 4: wanted to have that surprise element like coming to America.
Speaker 7: Eddie Murphy that.
Speaker 4: America, And that's how I got started with that several
Speaker 4: years ago. The one the most successful, but we got
Speaker 4: hipopandemic and everything else.
Speaker 7: So but that's kind of how it happened.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling that I'm feeling that you know that that's
Speaker 2: that's that's a hard world to break into. So you know,
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you found a way to get into it,
Speaker 2: because you know it's it's uh, this looks it's a
Speaker 2: classic package here.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely send you a bottle uh on pay Bill.
Speaker 4: I always wonder, yeah, the fact that how this country
Speaker 4: boy from Oxtown, Ohio break into the cocktail?
Speaker 1: How did you get you know something?
Speaker 2: I got to say that on on your on the
Speaker 2: official Cool and Gang Instagram page, those those little animated
Speaker 2: vignettes that you guys were doing telling the history of
Speaker 2: the group. It's probably one of the best surprises I've
Speaker 2: ever seen, because I mean, I've heard the story of
Speaker 2: the group, but to visually see that, it's it's a
Speaker 2: wonder that you guys even made it to even form
Speaker 2: a band, like not even to get to this point
Speaker 2: where you are as as as legacy, but just what
Speaker 2: you guys had to go through just to form a band.
Speaker 1: For our listeners that have not heard or seen.
Speaker 2: First of all, I recommend that you guys followed Cool
Speaker 2: in the Gang and look for these like.
Speaker 1: Minute long bits on the one and.
Speaker 2: So on YouTube is Yeah, Well, one I want to know,
Speaker 2: are you guys going to continue that series to tell
Speaker 2: the story of the band that in that manner? Because
Speaker 2: I love it, But can you tell us basically your
Speaker 2: beginnings from where you were born to to what brought
Speaker 2: you to Jersey to even form the.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the first. Yeah, we want to continue that.
Speaker 4: We stopped, uh where where you see right now? Of
Speaker 4: course I want my brother, but a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: around myself and also you know, and then we lost
Speaker 4: d T. That was you know, another part of it.
Speaker 4: But let me go back Yoxtown, Ohio. We started off
Speaker 4: as the Jazzy Acts. Yes, the name was changed to
Speaker 4: the Soultown Band. It was the organization in Jersey City.
Speaker 4: It was trying to be like Motown and we became
Speaker 4: the band. So we would have to learn all these
Speaker 4: Motown hits and records, and we had about fifteen people
Speaker 4: on the show and we had to learn all these songs.
Speaker 4: So we got out of there from the Soultown Band
Speaker 4: and we came up with Cooling the Flames. Now, our
Speaker 4: first manager, father was working with James Brown, and he said, listen,
Speaker 4: you can't go with Cooling the Flames because you have
Speaker 4: James Brown. What year was this now, that was back
Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty three, Okay roughly, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I have the nineteen sixty five good Night Thing.
Speaker 7: We saw him in sixty four.
Speaker 4: Okay, So that's when he said, well, you can't use
Speaker 4: the flames because so we said, well, we don't want
Speaker 4: to have any problems with the Godfather, so well, don't
Speaker 4: we just call ourselves Cooling the Gang.
Speaker 7: The music was the mixture of the jazz and the.
Speaker 4: R and B when we were the Soul Town Band,
Speaker 4: and that's when we found Cooling the Gang and we
Speaker 4: came out with our first record in July third, nineteen
Speaker 4: sixty nine.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: One of the most interesting elements and telling that story,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure that a lot of our listeners, especially
Speaker 2: the younger ones, might not be familiar with Could you
Speaker 2: just talk about speaking of your names like the gang.
Speaker 2: Could you just briefly describe, like the the ideals of
Speaker 2: actual gangs, at least in your territory, because that was
Speaker 2: like one of the most interesting aspects, Like you guys
Speaker 2: were talking about like the fact that neighborhoods were just
Speaker 2: overrun with gangs and whatnot, and you guys used music
Speaker 2: as an escape to not go down that route. But
Speaker 2: how heavy was gang activity in your formative years, like
Speaker 2: your teen years and and and whatnot.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm trying to make it.
Speaker 2: I mean we're you know, we're we're we're a we're
Speaker 2: a nerdy, so you don't have to give us the
Speaker 2: truncated answer like we we like those those nerdy details.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, what happened was that moved Jersey City, my family
Speaker 4: and I. I noticed that I my mother sent me
Speaker 4: to the store. They get a load of bread. At
Speaker 4: that time, it was called Lucy cost twenty five cents,
Speaker 4: and two guys walked up to me and said, uh,
Speaker 4: give me your money. Yeah, give me your money. So
Speaker 4: the two corners or whatever and I have. My mother said, well, boy,
Speaker 4: you better go back and get that corner. I said,
Speaker 4: I don't know what these guys are, muh, but anyway,
Speaker 4: So I realized that I was gonna have to be
Speaker 4: a part of what was going on or I'm gonna
Speaker 4: have to be the victim what was going on in
Speaker 4: the streets of Jersey City and Newark, you know, on
Speaker 4: the surrounding areas.
Speaker 7: And that was before I changed my name to cool.
Speaker 7: My name was to Mango.
Speaker 1: To Mango to Mango was the significance of to Bengo.
Speaker 7: What happened was that the that movie had Doughty Danders
Speaker 7: in there, and the save from africt. The name went
Speaker 7: to Mango.
Speaker 4: Okay, I took on I took on that name, and
Speaker 4: I ended up those two guys one name was Quinno.
Speaker 4: Then other name was Monk and the other one was Tiger.
Speaker 4: So I became a part of that game. And I
Speaker 4: turned around and I ended up being the leader of
Speaker 4: that game. We had about twenty strong. What yeah, in
Speaker 4: the movie, in the book, that whole story before cooling, damn,
Speaker 4: And so I.
Speaker 7: Had to learn the ways the way up the street
Speaker 7: at that time.
Speaker 2: So you're saying that you had natural born leader skills
Speaker 2: that you know you've always had your whole life.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well my brother kind of kind of
Speaker 4: pulled me out of that. Okay, Calice, it was getting
Speaker 4: a little rough out there, and I started playing the
Speaker 4: bass and we started working the boys club, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, when things started to changing a little bit.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say this, this is sort of archetype
Speaker 2: story where like where you hear people just randomly say yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I started playing piano, But like, how long
Speaker 2: does it take you? Like how from how what was
Speaker 2: your musical IQ before you picked up the bass? And
Speaker 2: how long did it take you before you're confident enough
Speaker 2: to know I can play in a band or I
Speaker 2: can be a musician.
Speaker 7: Well, Uh, the.
Speaker 4: Late Spike Mickens, his brother's played guitar. I should come
Speaker 4: by Spikes housand. I learned how to play one song
Speaker 4: on one string called coming Home Baby, Okay working at
Speaker 4: the cafe well one night and Alice said, once you
Speaker 4: come up, because I was playing coulas and bos and stuff.
Speaker 4: He said, what you come on up and let's play
Speaker 4: that one song.
Speaker 7: You know that you learned on that one string.
Speaker 4: And the guy gave me your base about the base,
Speaker 4: and I played Coming Home Baby.
Speaker 5: So wait, I'm sorry, is the question not when did
Speaker 5: you start playing bass, but when you started playing Cunga's then,
Speaker 5: because then you just threw that in there.
Speaker 4: That sided Back in Uptown, Ohio, okayat pint can Okay
Speaker 4: Ford Bongos, we used to sit up in uh Youngtown,
Speaker 4: Ohio and uh it was a school called the Back
Speaker 4: of the uh School and we used to take the
Speaker 4: paint can. Depending on how much paint is left in
Speaker 4: the bottom of the can, created whatever that you're gonna get.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So.
Speaker 4: We played paint care t became to Jersey and if
Speaker 4: my brother finally bought uh some bongles there too, learning
Speaker 4: this one song and then I started listening to you know,
Speaker 4: different songs, and then Charles Smith used to show me
Speaker 4: some lines with the bass and that's when we became
Speaker 4: a part of the Soul Town Band.
Speaker 7: And the name Cool.
Speaker 4: That came about because there was a guy in the
Speaker 4: neighborhood and he was a hood and he uh, his
Speaker 4: name was Cool.
Speaker 7: He spelled it was a C. I gotta get out
Speaker 7: of this day. I said, I like that name, So
Speaker 7: I took.
Speaker 4: On the name Cool and spelled minds with the K,
Speaker 4: not knowing that that was the beginning it was gonna
Speaker 4: lead up to Cool at the game.
Speaker 5: I did Cool ever find out that you were inspired
Speaker 5: by his name because you said he wasn't like, you know.
Speaker 4: Not not really. I mean he was you know, he
Speaker 4: were one of those guys in the projects.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: Oh but you was a boss?
Speaker 7: No, not really.
Speaker 2: So we're the fellow members of the original incarnation of
Speaker 2: the group. Were they also gang related as well?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: How did you wind up organizing the band? And also like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying that, you know, I understand
Speaker 2: the finances of the situation. And in terms of that,
Speaker 2: you know, I know it's not profitable for any you know,
Speaker 2: band over four members to really make money like that. So, like,
Speaker 2: how did you incorporate the other members that started at
Speaker 2: least the first incarnation of the band once they became
Speaker 2: cool in the game.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean we started as were the members when
Speaker 4: we became a cool in the game.
Speaker 7: Of course, we were all playing, you know, as.
Speaker 4: A Soltown band, and the Solotown band we were, we
Speaker 4: created and learn the motile hits me.
Speaker 7: I will listen to Jamison the lines that you're playing.
Speaker 7: You know, uh, for.
Speaker 4: Verious motown artists. None of those guys was from the streets.
Speaker 4: I'm the only one that had to deal with that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what were those early shows like, like, did
Speaker 2: you still once you transition to music then, you know,
Speaker 2: were you able to successfully leave the street world that
Speaker 2: you're trying to escape from behind or do you still
Speaker 2: have to worry about those things when you're at shows,
Speaker 2: when you're going to rehearsal, when you're just walking around
Speaker 2: the neighborhood by yourself, Like, like, once you make that
Speaker 2: transition to a music musician, does that world still try
Speaker 2: to suck you in and bring you back to it
Speaker 2: or you know, once you became a musician, everyone respected that.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's a musician now like leave him, leave him
Speaker 1: be Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you had the problems, you know, a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know, you're playing with the game whatever. You know,
Speaker 4: hardcore gods quick try to create some problems.
Speaker 7: But uh, I was able to get through that. But
Speaker 7: that was but yeah, we had that.
Speaker 4: Oh man, you know sold out man, you playing that
Speaker 4: music stuff.
Speaker 2: Man, they saw it as a step back like some
Speaker 2: you're being a nerd now you're you're That's how they
Speaker 2: saw that.
Speaker 7: The music and they was in the streets.
Speaker 4: But you know, I think, I think, I think for
Speaker 4: for God, for the blood of that because all them
Speaker 4: guys all did and some of them went to jail, and.
Speaker 7: That was a blessing to make it through that during
Speaker 7: that time.
Speaker 2: You're right, I'm curious, uh, because I'm familiar with their
Speaker 2: history with uh you know acts like uh Louisa and
Speaker 2: like GM alone. I'm curious to how you found you know,
Speaker 2: like Fred uh well did you did you have dealings
Speaker 2: with Fred uh vigor Vodo and Fred uh Fyoto and
Speaker 2: Ted Simon Simoniadi I forget their names. I get those
Speaker 2: guys mixed up with Hugo and Luigi, but basically the
Speaker 2: three friends of ours that started Delight Records. I know
Speaker 2: that gene read was on the staff, but how how
Speaker 2: did you guys make the transition from local band to
Speaker 2: let's make a record?
Speaker 7: Okay? So you just talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, can you talk about them and how they operated?
Speaker 1: I've heard stories, but you know.
Speaker 7: Well there was a small gene Renz story. Okay, he
Speaker 7: was a manager with.
Speaker 4: Red Cole's Records, and then uh it was changed to
Speaker 4: we went from the Red Coach to the Light. And
Speaker 4: I remember mister V, Fiolo Freddy and mister V. They
Speaker 4: came to my house in Jersey City and uh knocked
Speaker 4: on the door. There's two guys down there with the
Speaker 4: tal you looking guy. So mister B and they came
Speaker 4: into out and listen, this is how you living? He said,
Speaker 4: listen weight problems with mister Red, and uh, we want
Speaker 4: to bring you guys.
Speaker 7: Over to the Delight Records. So that was real, and
Speaker 7: they put a lot of pressure on mister gim Red.
Speaker 7: I had heard the story like the five heartbeats. They
Speaker 7: must have hung them out the window. One there and said, listen,
Speaker 7: you're gonna give up. That's it. Even before the heartbeats.
Speaker 5: You said red, I was like, is there a connection?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I was wondering. I was wondering, how
Speaker 2: you know, if those stories were true. My dad had
Speaker 2: like minor dealings with with Delight because they were also
Speaker 2: associated with Pickwick correct in.
Speaker 7: The NASA the yeah, with.
Speaker 1: Guns, I was not. I was not involved with those guys.
Speaker 1: And he'd be clear, Yeah, it's just that my dad.
Speaker 2: You know, my dad's Philadelphia, and you know, after his
Speaker 2: his paraise into oldies do wop, you know, he would
Speaker 2: do like these little one off records in the sixties.
Speaker 1: And it's no secret.
Speaker 2: That a lot of the a lot of the Jersey
Speaker 2: associated labels, a lot of the tri state areas local
Speaker 2: labels were kind of mob run, you know, which even
Speaker 2: with sugar Hill, like with with with uh, you know,
Speaker 2: with Sylvia and Joey, having dealings with like Mars Levy
Speaker 2: and all those cats, like, you know, it was like
Speaker 2: dealing with the sopranos of the sixties. So but I'll
Speaker 2: add only only because your brother also told me probably
Speaker 2: probably two of the greatest stories I ever heard of
Speaker 2: my life on you know, I'm always curious on how
Speaker 2: like classic songs get made. And your brother kind of
Speaker 2: telling me the story of the late pressuring you guys
Speaker 2: to make Jungle Boogie against your will and somehow like
Speaker 2: you're you're embittered, you know, embittered sarcastic response to what
Speaker 2: they wanted wound up being like a massive hit for
Speaker 2: you guys when you guys hated every step of the
Speaker 2: way of that.
Speaker 1: Could you could you share that story?
Speaker 7: Well, mister v as we call him and frenyfield Yodo.
Speaker 1: Called friendly Fielder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, you guys, you guys have been having
Speaker 4: some territorial hits, like in Philadelphia, maybe New York, Yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe Connecticut, he said, but we want you to work
Speaker 4: with this kind of thinking. That last name was some Douglas.
Speaker 4: He had had this.
Speaker 7: Big hit with Mongol Debaco and uh.
Speaker 4: He said, I want your guys to work with this producer.
Speaker 4: So we met them one time and it wasn't really
Speaker 4: flowing for us. So we went downtown to a studio
Speaker 4: called Baggies and we went in there around eight o'clock
Speaker 4: in the morning and we came out of there. We
Speaker 4: had created Jungle boogie Holly was swinging and funky stuff.
Speaker 7: So no more problem from the big readers.
Speaker 1: But I heard y'all hated it.
Speaker 5: What did you hate about Jungle Buggie?
Speaker 1: Well, according to your brother that you know, well, your
Speaker 1: brother explained to me that.
Speaker 2: I guess you know Mango's world famous hit, uh soul Makosa,
Speaker 2: I em I'm a bum boop. You know it was
Speaker 2: the the origins of that song was that it was
Speaker 2: it was a hit in France and over in Africa
Speaker 2: and somehow, like bootlegs of the of the record made
Speaker 2: its way to the States right when disco culture is.
Speaker 1: Starting, and that was a very very popular song.
Speaker 2: And Calais was basically like yo, like make make your
Speaker 2: version of this song. And because they were jazz knobs,
Speaker 2: you know, it would be like yo, Fonte like you
Speaker 2: know you you and little brother y'all called y'all little
Speaker 2: underground okay player stuff.
Speaker 1: But you know, y'all, y'all gotta need to lose it
Speaker 1: album right right, And so.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, brother brother Bayon basically said that you know,
Speaker 2: they listened to soula Makosa and it felt like just
Speaker 2: African mumbo jumble music.
Speaker 1: We don't know this African mumbo jumble music.
Speaker 2: So kind of mocking that song they made Jungle Boogie,
Speaker 2: And to me, the greatest moment. I'll say that my
Speaker 2: my all time favorite television show is really prevalent in
Speaker 2: my life right now, and there's there's there's a really
Speaker 2: telling moment about what I feel is the moment that
Speaker 2: Soul Trained solidified itself in history because, you know, the
Speaker 2: first two years of Soul Trained, Don had to lean
Speaker 2: heavy on his Chicago connections, so a lot of local
Speaker 2: you know, favor