WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Robert “Kool” Bell

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Shall we start, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Quest Love Supreme. I'm your host quest Love Jenkins. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you got the Supreme family, fresh off of our fifth anniversary,

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<v Speaker 2>fresh from the Met Gala.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up on pay Bill?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying I was just taking off my alpha

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<v Speaker 3>from met Gala. Everything's good. It was good, it was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you do at Wow?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was. I was Kim's uh uh you know Date,

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<v Speaker 1>I was black a second actually was Can you imagine that.

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<v Speaker 5>Was the.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude you work with muppets all day?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I can imagine that you could have just

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<v Speaker 2>borrowed an outfit that's much more American than the than

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<v Speaker 2>the Muppets.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say I've had some great Halloween costumes care

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<v Speaker 3>of the costume department at Sesame Street.

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<v Speaker 2>I was I was going to say, are you allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to borrow like extra costumes if you return it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure if the loudest correct word, but yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I have procure pure.

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<v Speaker 1>Duck like a spare big bird offset.

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<v Speaker 3>I have not snuck puppets offset that would give me, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, jail time. But I have stolen other people's costumes.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure. Yeah, we got we gotta reinterview you one day, Bill, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for real.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, you know I am a book of open knowledge.

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<v Speaker 3>What I'm a open book. That's fine, that's fine, That's

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<v Speaker 3>that's fine with me. I'm ready to talk at any time.

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<v Speaker 3>You tell me what talk, I'll go, Suger Steve, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>you have you found Have you found God?

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<v Speaker 1>Yet?

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<v Speaker 3>Not exactly, But I am working on the greatest audio

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<v Speaker 3>book right now.

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<v Speaker 1>To tell Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, okay, I went overboard in the pandemic. I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>to books and it's held. Steve is losing his hair

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<v Speaker 2>right now because the book is like thirty chapters.

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<v Speaker 1>What hair? Oh wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you know I had nothing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing Summer Soul on the day, be born

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<v Speaker 2>on the farm. At night, you start journaling and somehow

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<v Speaker 2>got turned into a thirty chapter book or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You live the dream right up. You should break that

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<v Speaker 1>joint up.

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<v Speaker 2>You should break that joint up into an audio book,

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<v Speaker 2>into thirty second snippets and put that shit on Spotify

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<v Speaker 2>and bring your numbers up.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you just got marketed that that Yes, that's why

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<v Speaker 6>we wish we paid Fronte the big bucks that.

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<v Speaker 5>See he's wearing his glasses today.

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<v Speaker 1>I got my stringle bell glasses. He's smart, smart tage

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<v Speaker 1>run around my company all day.

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<v Speaker 2>Right yeah, and with the with the special auburn.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's I don't know if it's my red

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<v Speaker 1>light or you're special.

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<v Speaker 5>Real family to me because as family, you all don't

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<v Speaker 5>recognize I got my hair done until two months later.

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<v Speaker 5>That is tofo me or thank you. We are family.

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<v Speaker 2>It is that shows you that we're we're real guys

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<v Speaker 2>because guys don't recognize.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't notice none.

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<v Speaker 2>We notice if you cut it, like if you cut it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll notice you cut your hair.

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<v Speaker 1>But a new style too.

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<v Speaker 5>Much cool saying this is what can I just say

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<v Speaker 5>before we get into it. I just wanted to also

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<v Speaker 5>big up to LA because we've got a big decision

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<v Speaker 5>to make today. I know this is gonna come out later,

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<v Speaker 5>but some new some newsometime crazy mess.

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<v Speaker 7>Got time.

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<v Speaker 1>I have faith. I'm also running for governor of California.

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<v Speaker 5>The list is long enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey man, you know, look about our guest today.

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<v Speaker 2>Without any doubt in my mind, I believe that our

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<v Speaker 2>guest is the founding member of the first Hip hop

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<v Speaker 2>band wow, meaning a unit without a direct leader. You know, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no disrespect to the James Brown Empire and whatnot. And

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<v Speaker 2>even though technically Virginia's own Winston's They're They're a classic single,

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<v Speaker 2>Amen brother, that interpolation of you know, Curtis Mayfield's Uh

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<v Speaker 2>We're a Winner, which weird enough they never got litigious on.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't want to open up any can of

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<v Speaker 1>worms with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though that's been sampled five thousand plus times, making

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<v Speaker 2>that the most sampled single. I'll say that our guest

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<v Speaker 2>today holds as leader of this band, holds the dubious

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<v Speaker 2>honor of having the most sampled catalog by a band.

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<v Speaker 1>In music.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying hip hop because that's that's limiting it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like throughout music, pop artists have sampled cool and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know this dame like Summer Madness has been

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<v Speaker 2>used billions of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh in t no title. People don't know that NT

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<v Speaker 1>stands for no title.

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<v Speaker 2>Name them jungle boogie, give it up, Hollywood Swinging, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Winter Sadness, Sport with Lightning ride, dungle jazz.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So what was what was? What was a ho

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<v Speaker 1>happy Jackie with Oh Little Children? Oh Little Children exactly

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<v Speaker 1>all the others like over.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe the precise numbers eighteen hundred samples over songs

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<v Speaker 2>that have either sold gazillion.

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<v Speaker 1>Triple or or just been declared classic.

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, what's more, probably more incredible about the

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<v Speaker 2>legacy of Cooling Gang, is probably their ability to check

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<v Speaker 2>the forecast and adjust accordingly throughout the decades, be it

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<v Speaker 2>like the their their jazz soul instrumental heavy beginnings, with

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<v Speaker 2>those like the self titled record and the two live

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<v Speaker 2>albums that came after it, more soul Yeah, Live at

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<v Speaker 2>Pj's and Sex Machine, the soul oriented stuff like Music

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<v Speaker 2>and Message and Good Times, or their funk masterpiece Wild

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<v Speaker 2>and Peaceful Light of the World, Spirit of the Bookie.

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<v Speaker 2>Those records probably one of the finest disco jazz. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a new word. I just figured out an unpaid

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<v Speaker 2>bill was not a new word. I did not know

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<v Speaker 2>what a porna mental was. Oh, the combination of they

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<v Speaker 2>call it dazz music disco jazz anyway and in the

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<v Speaker 2>open Sesame record, and also their growth into adulthood with

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<v Speaker 2>Celebrate and Ladies' Night, and you know their pop success Joanna.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes in the heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Johanna's album as one Something Special The Emergency Record was

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<v Speaker 2>like one of their biggest selling albums.

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<v Speaker 1>UH to this day hashtag to this day.

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<v Speaker 5>UH.

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<v Speaker 2>This band continues to still operate and their sound is

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<v Speaker 2>around forever, be it samples or seeing them a real

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<v Speaker 2>deal live.

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<v Speaker 1>They still make records and they continue to brighten our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a long overdue, overdue episode of US Love. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Basim and gentlemen, please welcome the namesake of one of

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest bands in music, Robert cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Bell Coolni Gang. Yes, indeed, how are you? How are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing today?

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<v Speaker 7>I'm doing fine. Quest his story when it comes to

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<v Speaker 7>cool a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you guys, maybe you know, I'm just glad to

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<v Speaker 2>be in great company. And you know, you guys literally

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<v Speaker 2>have have written the blueprint that you know we are

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<v Speaker 2>still following.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's hard to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like oftentimes when people look at the story of groups

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<v Speaker 2>and bands that have been around since the sixties and

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<v Speaker 2>the seventies, there's a point in the eighties in which

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of have to make life decisions on do

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<v Speaker 2>you go with the flow, do you fight it, do

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<v Speaker 2>you sabotage it? And you guys probably I'll say that,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, the story of the Jackson's is exemplary. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you guys, along with the Pointer sisters, along

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<v Speaker 2>with Lionel Richie, like, the transition from making it to

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<v Speaker 2>the seventies to the eighties was a very hard one

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<v Speaker 2>that most people they make it, yeah, they they take

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<v Speaker 2>it for granted. Like a lot of those you know

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<v Speaker 2>that we loved, they found they found some sort of uh,

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<v Speaker 2>sustaining power via the power of sampling. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a period in the eighties in which a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of those bands didn't make it.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys found a way to.

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<v Speaker 2>Really adjust and the silence, as we say, silence to

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<v Speaker 2>the haters that might have had disdain because every record

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<v Speaker 2>didn't sound like jungle boogie whatnot. But I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>I personally love in hindsight, how you guys have done that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, as a member of a black band

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<v Speaker 2>that's almost going on in the third decade, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's exemplar. Thank you, thank you very much on

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<v Speaker 2>full exemplary. You know, I also want to note yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>I got in the mail your I love your also

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<v Speaker 2>your fora into the spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of the spirit, of the boogie the spirit world.

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<v Speaker 2>You have your own champagne called lay cool I like,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm holding it even though they can't see it

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<v Speaker 2>at home. I'm showing you guys right now that you

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<v Speaker 2>know Robert cool Bell has its own When did you

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<v Speaker 2>When did.

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<v Speaker 1>You get into actually a mirror?

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, when did you When did you first start

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<v Speaker 2>your kind of your foray into the world of.

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<v Speaker 1>A fine drink?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean what happened was I was on tour

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<v Speaker 4>about three or four years now from Mota.

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<v Speaker 7>He came up to me.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, listen, you know we had it was in

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<v Speaker 4>fast and we had about twenty days seven sold out.

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<v Speaker 7>And we're got ready to do it tour.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, said to me, listen, I'm doing a champagne

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<v Speaker 4>with the late Berry White and the Erry White look

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<v Speaker 4>alike and also one of the BG's.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time there was a very white lookalike touring

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<v Speaker 2>in Europe.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they had a bit looks like you were doing

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<v Speaker 7>Suffer club dates.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, I wasn't ready for that one.

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<v Speaker 7>He asked me.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh he said, uh uh, would you like to sell

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<v Speaker 4>champagne on your tour and come up with your own champagne?

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<v Speaker 4>I said, well, listen, then, I don't think that my

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<v Speaker 4>fans we want to take a bottle of champagne after

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<v Speaker 4>my show. They want the T shirts and caps and

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<v Speaker 4>stuff like that. So I said, listen, I want to

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<v Speaker 4>get on the shelves. He said, oh, I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I want you on the shelves.

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<v Speaker 7>I ain't talking about no tour, no promo item.

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<v Speaker 4>With this idea and concept with the leg Who Champagne

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<v Speaker 4>and up in the Rims where they make Don Peril

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<v Speaker 4>on Crystal, all the big boys up there. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>we end up cutting the deal with the Burchelo family

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<v Speaker 4>and we worked on this for about a year and

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<v Speaker 4>a half. I went to the Cool Champagne and I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to have that surprise element like coming to America.

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<v Speaker 7>Eddie Murphy that.

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<v Speaker 4>America, And that's how I got started with that several

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<v Speaker 4>years ago. The one the most successful, but we got

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<v Speaker 4>hipopandemic and everything else.

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<v Speaker 7>So but that's kind of how it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling that I'm feeling that you know that that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's a hard world to break into. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that you found a way to get into it,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know it's it's uh, this looks it's a

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<v Speaker 2>classic package here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm definitely send you a bottle uh on pay Bill.

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<v Speaker 4>I always wonder, yeah, the fact that how this country

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<v Speaker 4>boy from Oxtown, Ohio break into the cocktail?

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<v Speaker 1>How did you get you know something?

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<v Speaker 2>I got to say that on on your on the

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<v Speaker 2>official Cool and Gang Instagram page, those those little animated

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<v Speaker 2>vignettes that you guys were doing telling the history of

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<v Speaker 2>the group. It's probably one of the best surprises I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen, because I mean, I've heard the story of

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<v Speaker 2>the group, but to visually see that, it's it's a

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<v Speaker 2>wonder that you guys even made it to even form

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<v Speaker 2>a band, like not even to get to this point

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<v Speaker 2>where you are as as as legacy, but just what

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<v Speaker 2>you guys had to go through just to form a band.

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<v Speaker 1>For our listeners that have not heard or seen.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, I recommend that you guys followed Cool

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<v Speaker 2>in the Gang and look for these like.

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<v Speaker 1>Minute long bits on the one and.

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<v Speaker 2>So on YouTube is Yeah, Well, one I want to know,

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<v Speaker 2>are you guys going to continue that series to tell

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<v Speaker 2>the story of the band that in that manner? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I love it, But can you tell us basically your

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<v Speaker 2>beginnings from where you were born to to what brought

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<v Speaker 2>you to Jersey to even form the.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's the first. Yeah, we want to continue that.

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<v Speaker 4>We stopped, uh where where you see right now? Of

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<v Speaker 4>course I want my brother, but a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 4>around myself and also you know, and then we lost

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<v Speaker 4>d T. That was you know, another part of it.

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<v Speaker 4>But let me go back Yoxtown, Ohio. We started off

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<v Speaker 4>as the Jazzy Acts. Yes, the name was changed to

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<v Speaker 4>the Soultown Band. It was the organization in Jersey City.

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<v Speaker 4>It was trying to be like Motown and we became

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<v Speaker 4>the band. So we would have to learn all these

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<v Speaker 4>Motown hits and records, and we had about fifteen people

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<v Speaker 4>on the show and we had to learn all these songs.

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<v Speaker 4>So we got out of there from the Soultown Band

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<v Speaker 4>and we came up with Cooling the Flames. Now, our

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<v Speaker 4>first manager, father was working with James Brown, and he said, listen,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't go with Cooling the Flames because you have

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<v Speaker 4>James Brown. What year was this now, that was back

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<v Speaker 4>in nineteen sixty three, Okay roughly, no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>I have the nineteen sixty five good Night Thing.

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<v Speaker 7>We saw him in sixty four.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So that's when he said, well, you can't use

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<v Speaker 4>the flames because so we said, well, we don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to have any problems with the Godfather, so well, don't

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<v Speaker 4>we just call ourselves Cooling the Gang.

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<v Speaker 7>The music was the mixture of the jazz and the.

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<v Speaker 4>R and B when we were the Soul Town Band,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's when we found Cooling the Gang and we

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<v Speaker 4>came out with our first record in July third, nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>sixty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the most interesting elements and telling that story,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure that a lot of our listeners, especially

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<v Speaker 2>the younger ones, might not be familiar with Could you

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<v Speaker 2>just talk about speaking of your names like the gang.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you just briefly describe, like the the ideals of

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<v Speaker 2>actual gangs, at least in your territory, because that was

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<v Speaker 2>like one of the most interesting aspects, Like you guys

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about like the fact that neighborhoods were just

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<v Speaker 2>overrun with gangs and whatnot, and you guys used music

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<v Speaker 2>as an escape to not go down that route. But

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<v Speaker 2>how heavy was gang activity in your formative years, like

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<v Speaker 2>your teen years and and and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'm trying to make it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we're you know, we're we're we're a we're

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<v Speaker 2>a nerdy, so you don't have to give us the

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<v Speaker 2>truncated answer like we we like those those nerdy details.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, what happened was that moved Jersey City, my family

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<v Speaker 4>and I. I noticed that I my mother sent me

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<v Speaker 4>to the store. They get a load of bread. At

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<v Speaker 4>that time, it was called Lucy cost twenty five cents,

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<v Speaker 4>and two guys walked up to me and said, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>give me your money. Yeah, give me your money. So

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<v Speaker 4>the two corners or whatever and I have. My mother said, well, boy,

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<v Speaker 4>you better go back and get that corner. I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what these guys are, muh, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>So I realized that I was gonna have to be

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<v Speaker 4>a part of what was going on or I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>have to be the victim what was going on in

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<v Speaker 4>the streets of Jersey City and Newark, you know, on

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<v Speaker 4>the surrounding areas.

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<v Speaker 7>And that was before I changed my name to cool.

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<v Speaker 7>My name was to Mango.

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<v Speaker 1>To Mango to Mango was the significance of to Bengo.

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<v Speaker 7>What happened was that the that movie had Doughty Danders

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<v Speaker 7>in there, and the save from africt. The name went

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<v Speaker 7>to Mango.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I took on I took on that name, and

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<v Speaker 4>I ended up those two guys one name was Quinno.

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<v Speaker 4>Then other name was Monk and the other one was Tiger.

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<v Speaker 4>So I became a part of that game. And I

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<v Speaker 4>turned around and I ended up being the leader of

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<v Speaker 4>that game. We had about twenty strong. What yeah, in

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<v Speaker 4>the movie, in the book, that whole story before cooling, damn,

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<v Speaker 4>And so I.

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<v Speaker 7>Had to learn the ways the way up the street

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<v Speaker 7>at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're saying that you had natural born leader skills

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<v Speaker 2>that you know you've always had your whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you're saying?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well my brother kind of kind of

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<v Speaker 4>pulled me out of that. Okay, Calice, it was getting

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<v Speaker 4>a little rough out there, and I started playing the

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<v Speaker 4>bass and we started working the boys club, and uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, when things started to changing a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say this, this is sort of archetype

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<v Speaker 2>story where like where you hear people just randomly say yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I started playing piano, But like, how long

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<v Speaker 2>does it take you? Like how from how what was

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<v Speaker 2>your musical IQ before you picked up the bass? And

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<v Speaker 2>how long did it take you before you're confident enough

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<v Speaker 2>to know I can play in a band or I

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<v Speaker 2>can be a musician.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, Uh, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Late Spike Mickens, his brother's played guitar. I should come

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<v Speaker 4>by Spikes housand. I learned how to play one song

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<v Speaker 4>on one string called coming Home Baby, Okay working at

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<v Speaker 4>the cafe well one night and Alice said, once you

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<v Speaker 4>come up, because I was playing coulas and bos and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, what you come on up and let's play

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<v Speaker 4>that one song.

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<v Speaker 7>You know that you learned on that one string.

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<v Speaker 4>And the guy gave me your base about the base,

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<v Speaker 4>and I played Coming Home Baby.

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<v Speaker 5>So wait, I'm sorry, is the question not when did

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<v Speaker 5>you start playing bass, but when you started playing Cunga's then,

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<v Speaker 5>because then you just threw that in there.

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<v Speaker 4>That sided Back in Uptown, Ohio, okayat pint can Okay

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<v Speaker 4>Ford Bongos, we used to sit up in uh Youngtown,

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<v Speaker 4>Ohio and uh it was a school called the Back

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<v Speaker 4>of the uh School and we used to take the

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<v Speaker 4>paint can. Depending on how much paint is left in

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<v Speaker 4>the bottom of the can, created whatever that you're gonna get.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 4>We played paint care t became to Jersey and if

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<v Speaker 4>my brother finally bought uh some bongles there too, learning

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<v Speaker 4>this one song and then I started listening to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>different songs, and then Charles Smith used to show me

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<v Speaker 4>some lines with the bass and that's when we became

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<v Speaker 4>a part of the Soul Town Band.

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<v Speaker 7>And the name Cool.

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<v Speaker 4>That came about because there was a guy in the

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<v Speaker 4>neighborhood and he was a hood and he uh, his

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<v Speaker 4>name was Cool.

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<v Speaker 7>He spelled it was a C. I gotta get out

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<v Speaker 7>of this day. I said, I like that name, So

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<v Speaker 7>I took.

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<v Speaker 4>On the name Cool and spelled minds with the K,

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<v Speaker 4>not knowing that that was the beginning it was gonna

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<v Speaker 4>lead up to Cool at the game.

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<v Speaker 5>I did Cool ever find out that you were inspired

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<v Speaker 5>by his name because you said he wasn't like, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Not not really. I mean he was you know, he

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<v Speaker 4>were one of those guys in the projects.

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<v Speaker 7>Man.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh but you was a boss?

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<v Speaker 7>No, not really.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're the fellow members of the original incarnation of

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<v Speaker 2>the group. Were they also gang related as well?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How did you wind up organizing the band? And also like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not saying that, you know, I understand

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<v Speaker 2>the finances of the situation. And in terms of that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know it's not profitable for any you know,

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<v Speaker 2>band over four members to really make money like that. So, like,

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<v Speaker 2>how did you incorporate the other members that started at

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<v Speaker 2>least the first incarnation of the band once they became

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<v Speaker 2>cool in the game.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean we started as were the members when

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<v Speaker 4>we became a cool in the game.

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<v Speaker 7>Of course, we were all playing, you know, as.

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<v Speaker 4>A Soltown band, and the Solotown band we were, we

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<v Speaker 4>created and learn the motile hits me.

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<v Speaker 7>I will listen to Jamison the lines that you're playing.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, uh, for.

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<v Speaker 4>Verious motown artists. None of those guys was from the streets.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the only one that had to deal with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what were those early shows like, like, did

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<v Speaker 2>you still once you transition to music then, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>were you able to successfully leave the street world that

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to escape from behind or do you still

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<v Speaker 2>have to worry about those things when you're at shows,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're going to rehearsal, when you're just walking around

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<v Speaker 2>the neighborhood by yourself, Like, like, once you make that

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<v Speaker 2>transition to a music musician, does that world still try

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<v Speaker 2>to suck you in and bring you back to it

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, once you became a musician, everyone respected that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, he's a musician now like leave him, leave him

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<v Speaker 1>be Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you had the problems, you know, a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you're playing with the game whatever. You know,

0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:08.920
<v Speaker 4>hardcore gods quick try to create some problems.

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<v Speaker 7>But uh, I was able to get through that. But

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<v Speaker 7>that was but yeah, we had that.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, you know sold out man, you playing that

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<v Speaker 4>music stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, they saw it as a step back like some

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<v Speaker 2>you're being a nerd now you're you're That's how they

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<v Speaker 2>saw that.

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<v Speaker 7>The music and they was in the streets.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, I think, I think, I think for

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<v Speaker 4>for God, for the blood of that because all them

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<v Speaker 4>guys all did and some of them went to jail, and.

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<v Speaker 7>That was a blessing to make it through that during

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<v Speaker 7>that time.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, I'm curious, uh, because I'm familiar with their

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<v Speaker 2>history with uh you know acts like uh Louisa and

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<v Speaker 2>like GM alone. I'm curious to how you found you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like Fred uh well did you did you have dealings

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<v Speaker 2>with Fred uh vigor Vodo and Fred uh Fyoto and

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<v Speaker 2>Ted Simon Simoniadi I forget their names. I get those

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<v Speaker 2>guys mixed up with Hugo and Luigi, but basically the

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<v Speaker 2>three friends of ours that started Delight Records. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that gene read was on the staff, but how how

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<v Speaker 2>did you guys make the transition from local band to

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<v Speaker 2>let's make a record?

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<v Speaker 7>Okay? So you just talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, can you talk about them and how they operated?

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard stories, but you know.

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<v Speaker 7>Well there was a small gene Renz story. Okay, he

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<v Speaker 7>was a manager with.

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<v Speaker 4>Red Cole's Records, and then uh it was changed to

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<v Speaker 4>we went from the Red Coach to the Light. And

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<v Speaker 4>I remember mister V, Fiolo Freddy and mister V. They

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<v Speaker 4>came to my house in Jersey City and uh knocked

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<v Speaker 4>on the door. There's two guys down there with the

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<v Speaker 4>tal you looking guy. So mister B and they came

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<v Speaker 4>into out and listen, this is how you living? He said,

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<v Speaker 4>listen weight problems with mister Red, and uh, we want

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<v Speaker 4>to bring you guys.

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<v Speaker 7>Over to the Delight Records. So that was real, and

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<v Speaker 7>they put a lot of pressure on mister gim Red.

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<v Speaker 7>I had heard the story like the five heartbeats. They

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<v Speaker 7>must have hung them out the window. One there and said, listen,

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<v Speaker 7>you're gonna give up. That's it. Even before the heartbeats.

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<v Speaker 5>You said red, I was like, is there a connection?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I was wondering. I was wondering, how

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if those stories were true. My dad had

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:12.760
<v Speaker 2>like minor dealings with with Delight because they were also

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<v Speaker 2>associated with Pickwick correct in.

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<v Speaker 7>The NASA the yeah, with.

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<v Speaker 1>Guns, I was not. I was not involved with those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And he'd be clear, Yeah, it's just that my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my dad's Philadelphia, and you know, after his

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<v Speaker 2>his paraise into oldies do wop, you know, he would

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<v Speaker 2>do like these little one off records in the sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's no secret.

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<v Speaker 2>That a lot of the a lot of the Jersey

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<v Speaker 2>associated labels, a lot of the tri state areas local

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<v Speaker 2>labels were kind of mob run, you know, which even

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<v Speaker 2>with sugar Hill, like with with with uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with Sylvia and Joey, having dealings with like Mars Levy

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<v Speaker 2>and all those cats, like, you know, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with the sopranos of the sixties. So but I'll

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<v Speaker 2>add only only because your brother also told me probably

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<v Speaker 2>probably two of the greatest stories I ever heard of

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<v Speaker 2>my life on you know, I'm always curious on how

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<v Speaker 2>like classic songs get made. And your brother kind of

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<v Speaker 2>telling me the story of the late pressuring you guys

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<v Speaker 2>to make Jungle Boogie against your will and somehow like

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're embittered, you know, embittered sarcastic response to what

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted wound up being like a massive hit for

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<v Speaker 2>you guys when you guys hated every step of the

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<v Speaker 2>way of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you could you share that story?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, mister v as we call him and frenyfield Yodo.

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<v Speaker 1>Called friendly Fielder.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he said, you guys, you guys have been having

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<v Speaker 4>some territorial hits, like in Philadelphia, maybe New York, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe Connecticut, he said, but we want you to work

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<v Speaker 4>with this kind of thinking. That last name was some Douglas.

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<v Speaker 4>He had had this.

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<v Speaker 7>Big hit with Mongol Debaco and uh.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, I want your guys to work with this producer.

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<v Speaker 4>So we met them one time and it wasn't really

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<v Speaker 4>flowing for us. So we went downtown to a studio

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<v Speaker 4>called Baggies and we went in there around eight o'clock

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<v Speaker 4>in the morning and we came out of there. We

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<v Speaker 4>had created Jungle boogie Holly was swinging and funky stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>So no more problem from the big readers.

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<v Speaker 1>But I heard y'all hated it.

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<v Speaker 5>What did you hate about Jungle Buggie?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, according to your brother that you know, well, your

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<v Speaker 1>brother explained to me that.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you know Mango's world famous hit, uh soul Makosa,

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<v Speaker 2>I em I'm a bum boop. You know it was

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<v Speaker 2>the the origins of that song was that it was

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<v Speaker 2>it was a hit in France and over in Africa

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<v Speaker 2>and somehow, like bootlegs of the of the record made

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<v Speaker 2>its way to the States right when disco culture is.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting, and that was a very very popular song.

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<v Speaker 2>And Calais was basically like yo, like make make your

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<v Speaker 2>version of this song. And because they were jazz knobs,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it would be like yo, Fonte like you

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<v Speaker 2>know you you and little brother y'all called y'all little

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<v Speaker 2>underground okay player stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, y'all, y'all gotta need to lose it

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<v Speaker 1>album right right, And so.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, brother brother Bayon basically said that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they listened to soula Makosa and it felt like just

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<v Speaker 2>African mumbo jumble music.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know this African mumbo jumble music.

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<v Speaker 2>So kind of mocking that song they made Jungle Boogie,

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<v Speaker 2>And to me, the greatest moment. I'll say that my

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<v Speaker 2>my all time favorite television show is really prevalent in

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<v Speaker 2>my life right now, and there's there's there's a really

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<v Speaker 2>telling moment about what I feel is the moment that

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<v Speaker 2>Soul Trained solidified itself in history because, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>first two years of Soul Trained, Don had to lean

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<v Speaker 2>heavy on his Chicago connections, so a lot of local

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<v Speaker 2>you know, favor