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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Shall we start, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode

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Speaker 2: of Quest Love Supreme. I'm your host quest Love Jenkins. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you got the Supreme family, fresh off of our fifth anniversary,

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Speaker 2: fresh from the Met Gala.

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Speaker 1: What's up on pay Bill?

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I was just taking off my alpha

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Speaker 3: from met Gala. Everything's good. It was good, it was fun.

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Speaker 1: What did you do at Wow?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was Kim's uh uh you know Date,

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Speaker 1: I was black a second actually was Can you imagine that.

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Speaker 5: Was the.

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Speaker 1: Dude you work with muppets all day?

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Speaker 2: Of course I can imagine that you could have just

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Speaker 2: borrowed an outfit that's much more American than the than

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Speaker 2: the Muppets.

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Speaker 3: I will say I've had some great Halloween costumes care

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Speaker 3: of the costume department at Sesame Street.

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Speaker 2: I was I was going to say, are you allowed

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Speaker 2: to borrow like extra costumes if you return it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if the loudest correct word, but yes,

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Speaker 3: I have procure pure.

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Speaker 1: Duck like a spare big bird offset.

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Speaker 3: I have not snuck puppets offset that would give me, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, jail time. But I have stolen other people's costumes.

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Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, we got we gotta reinterview you one day, Bill, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for real.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know I am a book of open knowledge.

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Speaker 3: What I'm a open book. That's fine, that's fine, That's

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Speaker 3: that's fine with me. I'm ready to talk at any time.

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Speaker 3: You tell me what talk, I'll go, Suger Steve, Yes,

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Speaker 3: you have you found Have you found God?

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Speaker 1: Yet?

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Speaker 3: Not exactly, But I am working on the greatest audio

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Speaker 3: book right now.

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Speaker 1: To tell Steve.

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Speaker 2: Look, okay, I went overboard in the pandemic. I wrote

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Speaker 2: to books and it's held. Steve is losing his hair

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Speaker 2: right now because the book is like thirty chapters.

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Speaker 1: What hair? Oh wow?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you know I had nothing to do.

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Speaker 2: I was doing Summer Soul on the day, be born

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Speaker 2: on the farm. At night, you start journaling and somehow

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Speaker 2: got turned into a thirty chapter book or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You live the dream right up. You should break that

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Speaker 1: joint up.

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Speaker 2: You should break that joint up into an audio book,

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Speaker 2: into thirty second snippets and put that shit on Spotify

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Speaker 2: and bring your numbers up.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you just got marketed that that Yes, that's why

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Speaker 6: we wish we paid Fronte the big bucks that.

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Speaker 5: See he's wearing his glasses today.

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Speaker 1: I got my stringle bell glasses. He's smart, smart tage

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Speaker 1: run around my company all day.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, and with the with the special auburn.

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Speaker 1: I think that's I don't know if it's my red

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Speaker 1: light or you're special.

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Speaker 5: Real family to me because as family, you all don't

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Speaker 5: recognize I got my hair done until two months later.

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Speaker 5: That is tofo me or thank you. We are family.

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Speaker 2: It is that shows you that we're we're real guys

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Speaker 2: because guys don't recognize.

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Speaker 1: We don't notice none.

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Speaker 2: We notice if you cut it, like if you cut it,

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Speaker 2: I'll notice you cut your hair.

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Speaker 1: But a new style too.

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Speaker 5: Much cool saying this is what can I just say

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Speaker 5: before we get into it. I just wanted to also

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Speaker 5: big up to LA because we've got a big decision

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Speaker 5: to make today. I know this is gonna come out later,

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Speaker 5: but some new some newsometime crazy mess.

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Speaker 7: Got time.

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Speaker 1: I have faith. I'm also running for governor of California.

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Speaker 5: The list is long enough.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, you know, look about our guest today.

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Speaker 2: Without any doubt in my mind, I believe that our

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Speaker 2: guest is the founding member of the first Hip hop

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Speaker 2: band wow, meaning a unit without a direct leader. You know, no,

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Speaker 2: no disrespect to the James Brown Empire and whatnot. And

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Speaker 2: even though technically Virginia's own Winston's They're They're a classic single,

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Speaker 2: Amen brother, that interpolation of you know, Curtis Mayfield's Uh

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Speaker 2: We're a Winner, which weird enough they never got litigious on.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to open up any can of

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Speaker 2: Even though that's been sampled five thousand plus times, making

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Speaker 2: that the most sampled single. I'll say that our guest

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Speaker 2: today holds as leader of this band, holds the dubious

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Speaker 2: honor of having the most sampled catalog by a band.

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Speaker 1: In music.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying hip hop because that's that's limiting it.

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Speaker 2: Like throughout music, pop artists have sampled cool and so yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you know this dame like Summer Madness has been

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Speaker 2: used billions of times.

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Speaker 1: Uh in t no title. People don't know that NT

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Speaker 1: stands for no title.

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Speaker 2: Name them jungle boogie, give it up, Hollywood Swinging, Uh,

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Speaker 2: Winter Sadness, Sport with Lightning ride, dungle jazz.

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Speaker 1: Uh So what was what was? What was a ho

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Speaker 1: happy Jackie with Oh Little Children? Oh Little Children exactly

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Speaker 1: all the others like over.

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Speaker 2: I believe the precise numbers eighteen hundred samples over songs

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Speaker 2: that have either sold gazillion.

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Speaker 1: Triple or or just been declared classic.

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Speaker 2: But to me, what's more, probably more incredible about the

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Speaker 2: legacy of Cooling Gang, is probably their ability to check

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Speaker 2: the forecast and adjust accordingly throughout the decades, be it

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Speaker 2: like the their their jazz soul instrumental heavy beginnings, with

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Speaker 2: those like the self titled record and the two live

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Speaker 2: albums that came after it, more soul Yeah, Live at

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Speaker 2: Pj's and Sex Machine, the soul oriented stuff like Music

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Speaker 2: and Message and Good Times, or their funk masterpiece Wild

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Speaker 2: and Peaceful Light of the World, Spirit of the Bookie.

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Speaker 2: Those records probably one of the finest disco jazz. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: here's a new word. I just figured out an unpaid

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Speaker 2: bill was not a new word. I did not know

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Speaker 2: what a porna mental was. Oh, the combination of they

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Speaker 2: call it dazz music disco jazz anyway and in the

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Speaker 2: open Sesame record, and also their growth into adulthood with

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Speaker 2: Celebrate and Ladies' Night, and you know their pop success Joanna.

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Speaker 1: Yes in the heart.

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Speaker 2: Johanna's album as one Something Special The Emergency Record was

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Speaker 2: like one of their biggest selling albums.

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Speaker 1: UH to this day hashtag to this day.

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Speaker 5: UH.

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Speaker 2: This band continues to still operate and their sound is

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Speaker 2: around forever, be it samples or seeing them a real

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Speaker 2: deal live.

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Speaker 1: They still make records and they continue to brighten our lives.

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Speaker 2: And this is a long overdue, overdue episode of US Love. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Basim and gentlemen, please welcome the namesake of one of

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Speaker 2: the greatest bands in music, Robert cool.

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Speaker 1: Bell Coolni Gang. Yes, indeed, how are you? How are

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Speaker 1: you doing today?

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Speaker 7: I'm doing fine. Quest his story when it comes to

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Speaker 7: cool a guy.

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Speaker 2: Well, you guys, maybe you know, I'm just glad to

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Speaker 2: be in great company. And you know, you guys literally

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Speaker 2: have have written the blueprint that you know we are

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Speaker 2: still following.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's hard to do that.

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Speaker 2: Like oftentimes when people look at the story of groups

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Speaker 2: and bands that have been around since the sixties and

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Speaker 2: the seventies, there's a point in the eighties in which

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Speaker 2: you kind of have to make life decisions on do

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Speaker 2: you go with the flow, do you fight it, do

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Speaker 2: you sabotage it? And you guys probably I'll say that,

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Speaker 2: of course, the story of the Jackson's is exemplary. But

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Speaker 2: you know, you guys, along with the Pointer sisters, along

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Speaker 2: with Lionel Richie, like, the transition from making it to

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Speaker 2: the seventies to the eighties was a very hard one

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Speaker 2: that most people they make it, yeah, they they take

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Speaker 2: it for granted. Like a lot of those you know

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Speaker 2: sustaining power via the power of sampling. But you know,

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Speaker 2: there was a period in the eighties in which a

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Speaker 2: lot of those bands didn't make it.

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Speaker 1: You guys found a way to.

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Speaker 2: Really adjust and the silence, as we say, silence to

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Speaker 2: the haters that might have had disdain because every record

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Speaker 2: didn't sound like jungle boogie whatnot. But I mean, I

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Speaker 2: I personally love in hindsight, how you guys have done that.

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Speaker 2: And you know, as a member of a black band

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Speaker 2: that's almost going on in the third decade, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's it's exemplar. Thank you, thank you very much on

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Speaker 2: full exemplary. You know, I also want to note yesterday

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Speaker 2: I got in the mail your I love your also

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Speaker 2: your fora into the spirit.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the spirit, of the boogie the spirit world.

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Speaker 2: You have your own champagne called lay cool I like,

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Speaker 2: and I'm holding it even though they can't see it

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Speaker 2: at home. I'm showing you guys right now that you

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Speaker 2: know Robert cool Bell has its own When did you

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Speaker 2: When did.

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Speaker 1: You get into actually a mirror?

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Speaker 2: But uh, when did you When did you first start

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Speaker 2: your kind of your foray into the world of.

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Speaker 1: A fine drink?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean what happened was I was on tour

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Speaker 4: about three or four years now from Mota.

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Speaker 7: He came up to me.

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Speaker 4: He said, listen, you know we had it was in

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Speaker 4: fast and we had about twenty days seven sold out.

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Speaker 7: And we're got ready to do it tour.

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Speaker 4: Of course, said to me, listen, I'm doing a champagne

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Speaker 4: with the late Berry White and the Erry White look

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Speaker 2: At the time there was a very white lookalike touring

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they had a bit looks like you were doing

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Speaker 7: Suffer club dates.

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, I wasn't ready for that one.

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Speaker 7: He asked me.

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Speaker 4: Uh he said, uh uh, would you like to sell

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Speaker 4: champagne on your tour and come up with your own champagne?

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Speaker 4: I said, well, listen, then, I don't think that my

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Speaker 4: fans we want to take a bottle of champagne after

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Speaker 4: my show. They want the T shirts and caps and

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Speaker 4: I want you on the shelves.

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Speaker 7: I ain't talking about no tour, no promo item.

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Speaker 4: With this idea and concept with the leg Who Champagne

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Speaker 4: and up in the Rims where they make Don Peril

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Speaker 4: on Crystal, all the big boys up there. You know,

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Speaker 4: we end up cutting the deal with the Burchelo family

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Speaker 4: and we worked on this for about a year and

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Speaker 4: a half. I went to the Cool Champagne and I

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Speaker 4: wanted to have that surprise element like coming to America.

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Speaker 7: Eddie Murphy that.

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Speaker 4: America, And that's how I got started with that several

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Speaker 4: years ago. The one the most successful, but we got

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Speaker 4: hipopandemic and everything else.

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Speaker 7: So but that's kind of how it happened.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling that I'm feeling that you know that that's

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Speaker 2: that's that's a hard world to break into. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that you found a way to get into it,

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Speaker 2: because you know it's it's uh, this looks it's a

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Speaker 2: classic package here.

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely send you a bottle uh on pay Bill.

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Speaker 4: I always wonder, yeah, the fact that how this country

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Speaker 4: boy from Oxtown, Ohio break into the cocktail?

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Speaker 2: wonder that you guys even made it to even form

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Speaker 2: you guys had to go through just to form a band.

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Speaker 1: For our listeners that have not heard or seen.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I recommend that you guys followed Cool

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Speaker 1: Minute long bits on the one and.

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Speaker 2: So on YouTube is Yeah, Well, one I want to know,

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Speaker 2: I love it, But can you tell us basically your

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the first. Yeah, we want to continue that.

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Speaker 4: We stopped, uh where where you see right now? Of

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Speaker 4: course I want my brother, but a lot of stuff

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Speaker 4: But let me go back Yoxtown, Ohio. We started off

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Speaker 4: as the Jazzy Acts. Yes, the name was changed to

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Speaker 4: the Soultown Band. It was the organization in Jersey City.

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Speaker 4: It was trying to be like Motown and we became

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Speaker 4: So we got out of there from the Soultown Band

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Speaker 4: and we came up with Cooling the Flames. Now, our

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Speaker 4: you can't go with Cooling the Flames because you have

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Speaker 4: James Brown. What year was this now, that was back

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Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty three, Okay roughly, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 7: We saw him in sixty four.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So that's when he said, well, you can't use

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Speaker 4: we just call ourselves Cooling the Gang.

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Speaker 7: The music was the mixture of the jazz and the.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: One of the most interesting elements and telling that story,

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Speaker 2: just talk about speaking of your names like the gang.

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Speaker 2: Could you just briefly describe, like the the ideals of

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Speaker 2: how heavy was gang activity in your formative years, like

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm trying to make it.

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Speaker 2: I mean we're you know, we're we're we're a we're

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Speaker 2: truncated answer like we we like those those nerdy details.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, what happened was that moved Jersey City, my family

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Speaker 7: And that was before I changed my name to cool.

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Speaker 7: My name was to Mango.

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Speaker 1: To Mango to Mango was the significance of to Bengo.

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Speaker 7: What happened was that the that movie had Doughty Danders

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Speaker 4: Okay, I took on I took on that name, and

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Speaker 4: I ended up those two guys one name was Quinno.

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Speaker 4: Then other name was Monk and the other one was Tiger.

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Speaker 4: So I became a part of that game. And I

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Speaker 4: that game. We had about twenty strong. What yeah, in

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Speaker 7: Had to learn the ways the way up the street

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Speaker 2: So you're saying that you had natural born leader skills

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well my brother kind of kind of

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Speaker 4: pulled me out of that. Okay, Calice, it was getting

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say this, this is sort of archetype

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Speaker 2: And then I started playing piano, But like, how long

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Speaker 2: does it take you? Like how from how what was

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Speaker 2: how long did it take you before you're confident enough

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Speaker 7: Well, Uh, the.

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Speaker 4: Late Spike Mickens, his brother's played guitar. I should come

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Speaker 4: by Spikes housand. I learned how to play one song

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Speaker 4: on one string called coming Home Baby, Okay working at

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Speaker 4: He said, what you come on up and let's play

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Speaker 7: You know that you learned on that one string.

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Speaker 4: And the guy gave me your base about the base,

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Speaker 5: So wait, I'm sorry, is the question not when did

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Speaker 4: That sided Back in Uptown, Ohio, okayat pint can Okay

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So.

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Speaker 4: We played paint care t became to Jersey and if

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Speaker 7: And the name Cool.

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Speaker 7: He spelled it was a C. I gotta get out

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Speaker 5: I did Cool ever find out that you were inspired

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Speaker 4: Not not really. I mean he was you know, he

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 5: Oh but you was a boss?

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Speaker 7: No, not really.

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Speaker 2: How did you wind up organizing the band? And also like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying that, you know, I understand

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean we started as were the members when

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Speaker 7: Of course, we were all playing, you know, as.

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Speaker 4: A Soltown band, and the Solotown band we were, we

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Speaker 7: I will listen to Jamison the lines that you're playing.

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Speaker 7: You know, uh, for.

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Speaker 4: Verious motown artists. None of those guys was from the streets.

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Speaker 4: I'm the only one that had to deal with that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what were those early shows like, like, did

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Speaker 2: have to worry about those things when you're at shows,

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Speaker 2: when you're going to rehearsal, when you're just walking around

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Speaker 2: or you know, once you became a musician, everyone respected that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's a musician now like leave him, leave him

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you had the problems, you know, a little bit.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're playing with the game whatever. You know,

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Speaker 7: But uh, I was able to get through that. But

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Speaker 4: Oh man, you know sold out man, you playing that

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Speaker 2: Man, they saw it as a step back like some

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Speaker 2: you're being a nerd now you're you're That's how they

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Speaker 7: The music and they was in the streets.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think, I think, I think for

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Speaker 7: That was a blessing to make it through that during

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Speaker 2: You're right, I'm curious, uh, because I'm familiar with their

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Speaker 2: that gene read was on the staff, but how how

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Speaker 2: did you guys make the transition from local band to

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Speaker 2: let's make a record?

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Speaker 7: Okay? So you just talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, can you talk about them and how they operated?

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Speaker 1: I've heard stories, but you know.

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Speaker 7: Well there was a small gene Renz story. Okay, he

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Speaker 4: Red Cole's Records, and then uh it was changed to

446
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 4: we went from the Red Coach to the Light. And

447
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 4: I remember mister V, Fiolo Freddy and mister V. They

448
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 4: came to my house in Jersey City and uh knocked

449
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 4: on the door. There's two guys down there with the

450
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 4: tal you looking guy. So mister B and they came

451
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 4: into out and listen, this is how you living? He said,

452
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 4: listen weight problems with mister Red, and uh, we want

453
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Speaker 4: to bring you guys.

454
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 7: Over to the Delight Records. So that was real, and

455
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 7: they put a lot of pressure on mister gim Red.

456
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 7: I had heard the story like the five heartbeats. They

457
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 7: must have hung them out the window. One there and said, listen,

458
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 7: you're gonna give up. That's it. Even before the heartbeats.

459
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Speaker 5: You said red, I was like, is there a connection?

460
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I was wondering. I was wondering, how

461
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: you know, if those stories were true. My dad had

462
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: like minor dealings with with Delight because they were also

463
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: associated with Pickwick correct in.

464
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 7: The NASA the yeah, with.

465
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Speaker 1: Guns, I was not. I was not involved with those guys.

466
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: And he'd be clear, Yeah, it's just that my dad.

467
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: You know, my dad's Philadelphia, and you know, after his

468
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: his paraise into oldies do wop, you know, he would

469
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: do like these little one off records in the sixties.

470
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: And it's no secret.

471
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: That a lot of the a lot of the Jersey

472
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: associated labels, a lot of the tri state areas local

473
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: labels were kind of mob run, you know, which even

474
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: with sugar Hill, like with with with uh, you know,

475
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: with Sylvia and Joey, having dealings with like Mars Levy

476
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: and all those cats, like, you know, it was like

477
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: dealing with the sopranos of the sixties. So but I'll

478
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: add only only because your brother also told me probably

479
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: probably two of the greatest stories I ever heard of

480
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: my life on you know, I'm always curious on how

481
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: like classic songs get made. And your brother kind of

482
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: telling me the story of the late pressuring you guys

483
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 2: to make Jungle Boogie against your will and somehow like

484
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: you're you're embittered, you know, embittered sarcastic response to what

485
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: they wanted wound up being like a massive hit for

486
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: you guys when you guys hated every step of the

487
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: way of that.

488
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: Could you could you share that story?

489
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 7: Well, mister v as we call him and frenyfield Yodo.

490
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: Called friendly Fielder.

491
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, you guys, you guys have been having

492
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: some territorial hits, like in Philadelphia, maybe New York, Yeah,

493
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 4: maybe Connecticut, he said, but we want you to work

494
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 4: with this kind of thinking. That last name was some Douglas.

495
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 4: He had had this.

496
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 7: Big hit with Mongol Debaco and uh.

497
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: He said, I want your guys to work with this producer.

498
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: So we met them one time and it wasn't really

499
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: flowing for us. So we went downtown to a studio

500
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 4: called Baggies and we went in there around eight o'clock

501
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 4: in the morning and we came out of there. We

502
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 4: had created Jungle boogie Holly was swinging and funky stuff.

503
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 7: So no more problem from the big readers.

504
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: But I heard y'all hated it.

505
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 5: What did you hate about Jungle Buggie?

506
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: Well, according to your brother that you know, well, your

507
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: brother explained to me that.

508
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: I guess you know Mango's world famous hit, uh soul Makosa,

509
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: I em I'm a bum boop. You know it was

510
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: the the origins of that song was that it was

511
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: it was a hit in France and over in Africa

512
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: and somehow, like bootlegs of the of the record made

513
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: its way to the States right when disco culture is.

514
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: Starting, and that was a very very popular song.

515
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: And Calais was basically like yo, like make make your

516
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: version of this song. And because they were jazz knobs,

517
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: you know, it would be like yo, Fonte like you

518
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: know you you and little brother y'all called y'all little

519
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: underground okay player stuff.

520
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: But you know, y'all, y'all gotta need to lose it

521
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: album right right, And so.

522
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, brother brother Bayon basically said that you know,

523
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: they listened to soula Makosa and it felt like just

524
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: African mumbo jumble music.

525
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: We don't know this African mumbo jumble music.

526
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: So kind of mocking that song they made Jungle Boogie,

527
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: And to me, the greatest moment. I'll say that my

528
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: my all time favorite television show is really prevalent in

529
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: my life right now, and there's there's there's a really

530
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: telling moment about what I feel is the moment that

531
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: Soul Trained solidified itself in history because, you know, the

532
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: first two years of Soul Trained, Don had to lean

533
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: heavy on his Chicago connections, so a lot of local

534
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: you know, favor