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Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live presented by Calllida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into a Monday edition of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Casker with you as per usual.

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Speaker 3: Hope you had a nice weekend. Do anything fun this weekend?

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Speaker 3: Steam a couple of things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when what we had left after getting home at

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Speaker 4: four am on Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: That was s morning. It was a late arrival, but

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Speaker 2: it was good though.

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Speaker 4: I enjoyed the the Tampa Bay was it was rained

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Speaker 4: all day hamp before that game. The game was beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Enjoyed the broadcast in the game. It was fun being

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Speaker 4: in Tampa Andrew Catalan and I want let me just

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Speaker 4: say the broadcast is always better when the team plays

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Speaker 4: like it did on Saturday night rather than the way

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Speaker 4: it did on in Chicago the week before. And then

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Speaker 4: had a nice day yesterday to just doing a couple

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Speaker 4: of stuff. And yeah, got a chance to mow the

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Speaker 4: lawn finally.

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Speaker 3: I gotta do that today. Yeah, it's been so dry,

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Speaker 3: not cut the grass.

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Speaker 4: In three weeks, right, same with me.

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Speaker 2: And then it's not growing.

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Speaker 4: Then we got a bunch of rain in the last week,

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Speaker 4: and then I had to get on.

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Speaker 5: Top of it.

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Speaker 2: Sprouted up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but it's good though. It was a good

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Speaker 4: weekend that the game was. I kind of like having

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Speaker 4: the game on Saturday because of you know, the final

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Speaker 4: day to recover, get Sunday to recover, and then we

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Speaker 4: this before tomorrow when the final cuts are made. We'll

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Speaker 4: probably hear a bulk of the cuts overnight.

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Speaker 2: I would think maybe before tomorrow show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe some of them. Uh, there might be some

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Speaker 4: late ones. And in the years past, it's been you

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Speaker 4: know this under McDermott, especially early in his tenure. Remember

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Speaker 4: every deadline they had, whether for trades or they wait

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Speaker 4: till the moment before they announced any Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 4: They now see it. But now I think they're a

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Speaker 4: little bit more settled in and they have they just

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Speaker 3: Well, like we were talking about last week, they're realistically,

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Speaker 3: we're half a dozen spots that were really being battled

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Speaker 3: for on the roster. I mean it's a pretty set roster,

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Speaker 3: you know, unless you had an entrenched player fall flat

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Speaker 3: and I don't know that we really saw that, So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I would think a lot of the decisions are relatively

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Speaker 3: cut and dry. So we'll see what happens between now

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Speaker 3: and tomorrow at four pm. As Steve said over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: the Bills already began the process of reducing their roster,

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Speaker 3: knowing they have to be down to fifty three by

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Speaker 3: tomorrow at four o'clock. So released on Sunday, where cornerback

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Speaker 3: just signed like the day before the game last week,

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Speaker 3: bos was waived injured after having surgery on his collar bone.

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Speaker 3: So the Bills still have to move thirty more players

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Speaker 3: off the roster by four pm tomorrow, and we'll keep

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Speaker 3: you updated as any and all transactions come down the pike.

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Speaker 3: We still do not know the prognosis on the Tredavious

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Speaker 3: White injury. GM Brandon Bean told our television partner WIVBTV

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Speaker 3: The NFL Transaction Wire confirms that veteran defensive tackle Jordan

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Speaker 3: Phillips is making a free agent visit with the Bills today.

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Speaker 3: We can also confirm it since we saw ourselves making

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Speaker 3: comes of that. I don't know, Like the Bills always

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Speaker 3: last few years they've had Ilianku on the practice squad.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he is that because with the way that McDermott

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Speaker 3: for him to like swoop in and take a fifty

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Speaker 4: We forget And it's crazy to talk like this right now,

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Speaker 4: there's always you run this risk of some particularly the

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Speaker 4: from last year. I mean, they treat the fifty three

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Speaker 4: so they're like, Okay, I made it, and they sit back.

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Speaker 4: You know, they just relact. Well the way around that

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Speaker 4: You got to keep earning it every week and you'll

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Speaker 4: see we saw it last year. Shavers got on the

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Speaker 4: I gotta keep practicing. You got to keep earning it.

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Speaker 4: You can't let yourself think you've you're done when you

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Speaker 4: haven't even started yet. And that's what that's kind of

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. We've all been focused on, Wow,

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Speaker 4: and but when you make the roster, that's it's just

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Speaker 4: a party for making the fifty three, you know. And

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Speaker 4: the simple fact of the matter is bro that your site's

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Speaker 4: got to be way higher than that. So you bring in,

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Speaker 3: Pean m McDermott have always churned the bottom of the roster,

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Speaker 3: So this could be a bye product of that, as

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Speaker 4: There is of it. There's no question, and you know

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Speaker 4: of in game and in season, I are not there

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Speaker 4: may be less than a handful of roster spots that

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Speaker 3: So there could also be an injury that came out

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Speaker 2: Necessitate having an extra body on hand, or.

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Speaker 4: The severity of Tredavius's injury is different. Something like that.

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Speaker 4: So all of the stuff.

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Speaker 3: So we'll wait and see as it all shakes out

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Speaker 3: with the initial setting of the fifty three man roster,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as we told you, player releases are happening around

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Speaker 2: Some trades in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: On Sunday, the Jets sent defensive tackle Derek Noddy to

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Speaker 3: Jets head coach Aaron Glenn said that injured players Sauce Gardner,

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Speaker 3: O'Connell fractured right wrist in the club's preseason finale Saturday Night.

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Speaker 3: Raiders coach Pete Carroll said O'Connell will need surgery. He's

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Speaker 3: That's what his teammate was saying to him, John Bullock.

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Speaker 4: Today's a day off for them. They got they played

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Speaker 4: Are literally fifty three guys and there's twenty seven guys gone,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because everybody has to clear waivers before you can

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Speaker 4: Mean, fifty three guys is it? And it really?

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Speaker 3: But think about it, Well, you've been seeing ninety out

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Speaker 4: I mean, you got out there, it's like survival of

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Speaker 3: Anybody here, hello, uh so, who impressed you the most

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Speaker 2: What's up Kevin, guys.

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Speaker 6: Great to say. Again, I'm sorry I can't answer your

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Speaker 6: about it. I do have an unrelated question, if I could,

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Speaker 6: is you know, we always hype up draft weekend transactions

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would, I would be willing to bet.

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Speaker 3: And thanks for the call of Kevin that. Every GM

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Speaker 2: Than draft day.

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Speaker 3: Draft Day, you're making people's dreams come true. Cut Day,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say this. They're judged mostly on drafting, Yes,

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Speaker 4: that because on cut day, everybody's cutting the guy. Nobody

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Speaker 4: And if you're trading for somebody, I mean you're trading

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Speaker 4: everybody always gives it this vision of being a game wrecker.

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Speaker 2: Now let's move along and we go to Kim and Angola.

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Speaker 5: What's up, Kim, Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen. How are you.

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Speaker 2: We're doing all right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? The person that impressed me the most, and actually

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Speaker 5: Oh, he impressed me immensely. I mean his name popped

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Speaker 4: I would think I would think he's rattling around this

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Speaker 4: I think they can probably feel like giving his background, yeah,

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, how you doing today? Thanks for taking the call.

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Speaker 7: You're a question about whom I'm impressed with. I want

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Speaker 7: to know does Shane Guchell Does he stand a chance

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Speaker 2: Ye, no problem there.

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Speaker 3: Look, Shane bouchell I was most impressed with his decision

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Speaker 2: And that his.

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Speaker 3: Decision making is what impressed me. As far as making

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Speaker 3: with a grain of salt. Though he's playing against twos

437
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Speaker 3: and threes the whole game. He's playing with twos and threes,

438
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Speaker 3: but he's also playing against twos and threes.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you, I I was. It's hard not to

440
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Speaker 4: be impressed with him. He was. I thought he was

441
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Speaker 4: the best quarterback on the field by far. He saw

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Speaker 4: the pressure, made quick snap decisions and quick throws. He

443
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Speaker 4: completed eighty three percent of his passes. I mean, he

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Speaker 4: played really well. And I know this too. One of

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Speaker 4: the things that McDermott told us about him in the

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Speaker 4: production meaning was the guy's elite. He's got it. He's

447
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Speaker 4: a competitor, he's got all those intangibles. He's getting the

448
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Speaker 4: guys revved up in the lot, in the huddle, you know,

449
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Speaker 4: he's talking to the guys. He's getting the most out

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Speaker 4: of the guys around him. And that's you know, that's

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Speaker 4: a huge part of what playing quarterback is. It's given

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Speaker 4: the guys in the huddle, the confidence said, yeah, we

453
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Speaker 4: are going to get this done. And that's part of

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Speaker 4: what a quarterback does, aside from all the right decisions

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Speaker 4: and the good throws he made. So yeah, Unfortunately, I'm

456
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Speaker 4: kind of with Brownie. I don't think it was ever

457
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Speaker 4: in the cards for him to be that guy. But

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Speaker 4: who knows what's going to happen on this cutdown day.

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Speaker 4: Because if you get Mike White and Mitch Trubisky in

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Speaker 4: the room and you pick one of those guys and

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Speaker 4: you say the other one's on the practice squad, yeah,

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Speaker 4: maybe they say no, I no, I'd rather be released

463
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Speaker 4: and get picked up and get on somebody else's fifty three.

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Speaker 2: The Raiders who are looking for a backup quarter right.

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Speaker 4: The Raiders, There are teams like that out there who

466
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Speaker 4: would consider Mitch Trubisky and Mike White an upgrade. So

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Speaker 4: one of the two of those guys is out the door,

468
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Speaker 4: and then Shane Bouchelle is right in the mix. Ill

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Speaker 4: be a practice squad. I don't know if they're not

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Speaker 4: going to carry three on the on the active roster,

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Speaker 4: but they need a guy, and they'll probably bring in

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Speaker 4: a fourth guy for the practice squad. So so yeah,

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Speaker 4: Bouchelle if there's any way the Bills want to keep

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Speaker 4: that guy. And let's face it, look at the if

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Speaker 4: you watch that game, Bouchelle look good. Now there's thirty

476
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Speaker 4: one other teams that see that tape, So now you

477
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Speaker 4: have a hard time keeping Bouchelle in the building. So

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Speaker 4: we'll see I. But yes, he was one of the

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Speaker 4: guys that was probably the most impressive player on the field.

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Speaker 4: You can say what you want about Shavers doing what

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Speaker 4: he did, but Bouchelle was like four quarters of production,

482
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Speaker 4: eighty three percent completion percentage. Man oh man, it's impressive.

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Speaker 2: So we get it.

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Speaker 3: Got to take a break here, but taking your phone

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Speaker 3: calls when we get backs. If you're holding an eight

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Speaker 3: H three h five fifty, stay where you are. We'll

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Speaker 3: get to you when we return. We'll lead off with

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Speaker 3: Gary on a cell next here on One Bill's Live

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Speaker 3: presented by Kill Out of Hell, it's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 3: Who impressed the most this training camp and preseason? You

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Speaker 3: let us know at eight O three oh five fifty

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Speaker 3: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty that's

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Speaker 3: the number to jump on board. We could do a

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Speaker 3: show on the breaks I'm telling you stuff that goes

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Speaker 3: on here during the break might be just as entertaining.

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Speaker 3: My We got to get right back to the phones, though,

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Speaker 3: because we've got a lot of people waiting there, and

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Speaker 3: we go to Gary on a cell next.

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Speaker 2: What's up Garry?

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I'll do him good, you know, I like

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Speaker 4: I've liked him last year and it's fill on the

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Speaker 4: practic class.

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Speaker 8: Spring Corn Junior. I like this kid.

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Speaker 9: Though he can run, he gets, he doesn't his legs

505
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Speaker 9: don't stop.

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Speaker 8: You've been watch him.

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Speaker 9: That's a good short line running back.

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Speaker 10: It reminds me of dad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Unfortunately he's not quite as tall or as thick

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Speaker 3: as his dad. But yeah, he runs with impressive contact balance.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question about that. And he's

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Speaker 3: a good receiver out of the backfield. I mean, his

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Speaker 3: only blemish is you know the fumble in Chicago when

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Speaker 3: he got it punched out.

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Speaker 2: But you're right about him. He keeps his legs churning.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say this to what I look for in

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Speaker 4: running backs. His vision. You see these guys on film,

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Speaker 4: you'll see, well, if he'd a cut left instead of right,

519
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Speaker 4: or if he'd give him a little move here or whatever.

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Speaker 4: He would have gotten a few more yards doing this.

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Speaker 4: You get the really good ones. And gorg Junior does this.

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Speaker 4: It feels like he got every He maximizes every run

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Speaker 4: and it sounds easy. It's not. Yeah, he's he's a

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Speaker 4: good ballplayer. Like we said last week too, I think

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Speaker 4: one thing he lacks. He would be a higher level

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Speaker 4: prospect if he ran a four to three, if he

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Speaker 4: was really fast. He's fast, but not that fast, and

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Speaker 4: I think that's maybe one of the things that holds

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Speaker 4: him back.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have elite physical traits. Not to mention the

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Speaker 3: fact that he's in a position room that has three

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Speaker 3: roles that are largely entrenched by incumbent holders of those positions,

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Speaker 3: and it doesn't look like the running back round is

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Speaker 3: going to change.

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Speaker 4: He could fill one of those roles, and I think

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Speaker 4: that's one of the reasons they liked having him on

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Speaker 4: the practice squad last year, is the fact that they

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Speaker 4: could plug him into those. He seems versatile enough to

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Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Derek on a sale next. What's up, Derek?

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Speaker 11: Hey, what's up, fellas? How you guys doing today?

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Speaker 2: Thanks?

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Speaker 11: Real quick. The two players that I think flashed obviously.

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Speaker 11: The last call was talking about Frank Gore. I think

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Speaker 11: he flashed, catching the ball out of the backfield and

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Speaker 11: picking up blitzes. I thought he did very well. But

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Speaker 11: Dion Walker, for sure. I mean for a fourth round pick.

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Speaker 11: I think he's flashed more than Dwayne Cotter has in

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Speaker 11: a Bill's uniform so far. That's my thoughts. Had a

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Speaker 11: question for Steve, and I think I know the answer.

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Speaker 11: Have you ever been thrown out of the game? Steve?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, talking about that today, Yes, And.

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Speaker 11: I know I know you probably regret that. Ah that

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Speaker 11: was your last name, but I'll tell you, man, you're

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Speaker 11: a future Hall of Famer. We love listening to.

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Speaker 12: You on the radio.

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Speaker 11: I'm sure I speak for all the Bills fans out there.

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Speaker 11: And uh, that's it from Eric from Cape Co.

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Speaker 2: All right, Derek, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah I did. I got for those of you who

561
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Speaker 4: aren't aware, I got tossed out of my last game,

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Speaker 4: and after I was there to see it. After a

563
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Speaker 4: thirteen year career, Green Bay probably saved me a broken leg.

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Speaker 4: I have no regrets. I have absolutely no risk.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you barely bumped the official, but.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was totally unto them. I mean, I was

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Speaker 4: not a Shiloh Sanders shot at the end, no, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, and I came in. I just touched the

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Speaker 4: officials arm and tried to weasel my way into their huddle,

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Speaker 4: you know, and he threw the flag. So there you go.

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Speaker 4: And you know who, I'll say this the two officials

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Speaker 4: that were two of the officials on that crew, Mike

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Speaker 4: Carry Mike Carrey who was the CBS official thing, and

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Speaker 4: then Mike Pereira was on that crew. It was the

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Speaker 4: only year he was actually in the field for the NFL,

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Speaker 4: and both those guys, both the TV analyst guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so now I have no regrets. That's fair, it's it's

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Speaker 4: it's it's all good.

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Speaker 3: Dion Walker may have played his best game on Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: And it was interesting because in the postgame press conference,

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Speaker 3: I asked coach McDermott about how he felt Dion performed,

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Speaker 3: and the first thing that coach McDermott said was Dion

583
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Speaker 3: was not happy with his performance in the Bears game.

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Speaker 3: Verbalized that, and the coaching staff felt similarly not that

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Speaker 3: he was the only guy in that game that had

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Speaker 3: a down game.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks ago, we know that but he.

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Speaker 3: Was determined to have a better performance against Tampa Bay

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Speaker 3: and it determined six foot seven, three hundred thirty one

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Speaker 3: pound d On.

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Speaker 2: Walker is a problem.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he threw an offensive lineman aside, like it

593
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Speaker 3: was like he was a stuffed animal like that he

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Speaker 3: was tossing off his bedspread to make his bed in

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Speaker 3: the morning.

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Speaker 4: Ed he ragged all the dude. He showed up in

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Speaker 4: that game, He really did, and that's the upside for him,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 3: So he could be a boom player for them, and

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Speaker 3: he just tossed him over here like yesterday's.

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Speaker 4: He's always gonna fight with his pad level because he's

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Speaker 4: so tall and so heavy. It's hard to get to

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Speaker 4: the level of the pads or underneath the pads of

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Speaker 4: a much shorter guy, whether it's an offensive lineman or

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Speaker 4: certainly a running back. But his girth and his weight

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Speaker 4: kind of make up for that. Like that running back

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Speaker 4: that just banged into him and that was it. It was over.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, he's I think he's got huge potential,

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Speaker 4: no pun intended, and.

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Speaker 3: He's not just gonna stand in there and grind either,

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Speaker 3: like some of the offensive linemen on the Bills say.

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Speaker 2: He's got some wiggle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he's just a plodding stand your

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Speaker 3: ground and grind shit and making the tackle in the hole.

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Speaker 2: That guy's got some wiggle.

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Speaker 4: He's hard to block. It's not just a bullrush coming

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Speaker 4: at you all.

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Speaker 3: You called him the dancing bearon ballet issues.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to move your feet as an offensive

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Speaker 4: lineman and if you if you lose your anchor, you

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Speaker 4: know it's over. So yeah, he's got he'd brings something

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Speaker 4: to the table. We've talked a lot about Dion. Two

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Speaker 4: years ago when he was at Kentucky, he had a

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Speaker 4: fantastic season and looked to be a top fifteen talent.

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Speaker 4: His senior year, he did not play as well and

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Speaker 4: come to find out, he had a back injury he

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Speaker 4: was dealing with and played through as a part.

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Speaker 2: Of it, know what it was until end of the

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Speaker 2: season was.

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Speaker 4: Over, and so his stock dropped because he wasn't as productive.

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Speaker 4: But when they understood why, they said, no, no, we

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Speaker 4: can fix that. Let's go. And now they it looks

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Speaker 4: like they may have they may have a first round

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Speaker 4: talent on their on their hands and picked him as

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Speaker 4: a fourth rounder.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's go to Dave in Buffalo. Next, what's up, Dave, Hi,

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Speaker 2: thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 10: I was thinking about these things and there are just

639
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Speaker 10: so many people that I could.

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Speaker 12: Have toast from.

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Speaker 10: I realized that actually the bill I'm most impressed with

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Speaker 10: is Brandon Bean. I mean, I don't think we praise

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Speaker 10: him enough for what he has managed to pull off.

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Speaker 10: The best gms are the ones who actually have a

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Speaker 10: good plan B when someone goes down. And my new

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Speaker 10: nickname for Brandon is plan Z because we need to

647
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Speaker 10: get a track gossic Dian Walker picks up guys like Chiarlow.

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Speaker 10: It's just amazing the work that he's done. And I

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Speaker 10: really think that we should, you know, not only praise

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Speaker 10: the individual players, but really hold a tip our hat

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Speaker 10: to Brandon Bean for what he's put together as the team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's an interesting, you know, off the

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Speaker 3: board answer, and I wouldn't dismiss it. And I think

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Speaker 3: Brandon would be the first to credit his entire personnel

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Speaker 3: department for assisting him in you know, finding extra bodies

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Speaker 3: when they need them, and they've needed them this summer

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Speaker 3: with all the injuries they've sustained through the course of

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Speaker 3: training camp and the preseason but they've come up with

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Speaker 3: guys that can step in and perform. And yeah, we'll

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Speaker 3: see if some of those late arrivals due to injury

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Speaker 3: can find a way onto the roster.

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Speaker 4: Here right, I'm with you. I'm GMS get credit when

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Speaker 4: you know you have organizational success, and the Bills, unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: have been one of those teams that have fallen just

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Speaker 4: short of their ultimate goal, which is pretty you know,

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Speaker 4: winning the Lombardy. So until they do, he probably won't

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Speaker 4: get the credit that you're talking about, Dave. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think people in this building and the at the

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Speaker 4: highest levels of this building and even down here where

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Speaker 4: we live, are pretty happy with their GM. We like

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Speaker 4: the guys they've got on this team.

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Speaker 2: Let's move to Michael in Rochester. What do you got first?

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Speaker 9: Michael, thank you, Chris and Steve for taking my call.

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Speaker 9: And actually, Steve, I'm on your side. I actually the

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Speaker 9: most the person I've been most impressed with the training camp.

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Speaker 9: A couple of times I went to Saint John Fisher

677
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Speaker 9: was Matt Mulono and Terrell Bernard is a combination. Sean

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Speaker 9: McDermott came from Carolina and in Carolina they had the

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Speaker 9: best lineback to duel in my opinion in the league

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Speaker 9: at that time in Luke, Keithlee and Thomas Davis, and

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Speaker 9: I felt like watching those two together at Saint John's

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Speaker 9: Fisher that they could be.

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Speaker 8: That caliber of guys. And one of the.

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Speaker 9: Problems this defense has had is that they've never had

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Speaker 9: both these guys healthy and productive at the exact same time.

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Speaker 9: And to me, that's the key to them getting to

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Speaker 9: the super Bowl and call all the way. So I

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Speaker 9: was very impressed with both of them together as a combination.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it, And you're right, you just got

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Speaker 3: to hope those two can stay healthy simultaneously because I

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Speaker 3: think they've only played about ten to eleven games together

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Speaker 3: over the last two years, and you know it's been

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Speaker 3: due to injury. But Steve's right, Malona has been as advertised,

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Speaker 3: if not better. He looks like he's back to all

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Speaker 3: pro form, not just starting caliber form.

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Speaker 2: So that's exciting. And now it's just like, let's just

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Speaker 2: get to the regular season. Let's just get to week one.

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Speaker 4: Let's keep him on two good wheels and let him run.

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Speaker 3: So because it was last it was right around last

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Speaker 3: year at this time, like literally the week before Week one,

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Speaker 3: non contact pops a bicep in a tackling drill. So

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Speaker 3: just got to cross your fingers and toes and hope

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Speaker 3: those two linebaggers get to the regular season healthy.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of the key there to Joe and Tonawanda

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Speaker 2: we go, what's up, Joe.

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Speaker 13: Good afternoon, gentlemen. Uh, just a couple of things. One

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Speaker 13: my most impressed as far as names already mentioned, but

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Speaker 13: under the radar, Chase Lunch offensive line. I've seen him

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Speaker 13: watch the game and he he was out there.

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Speaker 5: He looked good.

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Speaker 13: As far as his blocking and John Downhill blocking. I

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Speaker 13: think he's something something to hold on to. What the

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Speaker 13: cut's coming up. And then two things and get your

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Speaker 13: guys input. You know, I've been on the borderline with

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Speaker 13: a as Banasa since he was brought in and five

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Speaker 13: years ago, I believe it his fifth year. In his

717
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Speaker 13: college tapes, he was a dominating outside edge rusher, and

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Speaker 13: you know, I don't think he's lived up to that

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Speaker 13: since he's done with us. And the other thing is,

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Speaker 13: how what do you think about Jackson? Dean Jackson played

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Speaker 13: this week in the game. He was beat a couple

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Speaker 13: of times, and he came back and made some plays

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Speaker 13: where you guys see him at Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I'll take Dane Jackson if you want to

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Speaker 3: go ahead and take the other guy. Dane has had

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Speaker 3: a very up and down preseason and practice in training camp.

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Speaker 2: It's been a mixed bag.

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Speaker 3: I think they know who he is and what he is,

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Speaker 3: and I think the only way he gets on the

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Speaker 3: roster is if maybe the Trey White injury is a

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Speaker 3: long lasting one or something to that effect, because I

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Speaker 3: think we can all agree that there is probably more

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Speaker 3: upside and a player like Dorian Strong, and that's a

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Speaker 3: guy that I think he was directly competing with, along

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Speaker 3: with JaMarcus Ingram, who I think has been a bit

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Speaker 3: more consistent than Dane through the course of the summer.

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Speaker 3: So to Dane's credit, he's playing late in that game

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Speaker 3: last week and tried to redeem himself to make some plays,

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Speaker 3: but I also think there have been some plays that.

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Speaker 2: He wished he did better on.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he did enough to stick in

742
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Speaker 3: his second stint with the Bill, so we'll have to

743
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Speaker 3: see where it goes, and injuries could be playing a factor.

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Speaker 4: In whether he's on the roster, and he's got to

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Speaker 4: be on the right side of the numbers, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, how many guys are going to keep and

747
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Speaker 4: the injuries. So it's the roster number of guys and

748
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Speaker 4: where he fits in that pecking order that's going to

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Speaker 4: say it. I certainly he's not going to be cornerback one,

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Speaker 4: quarterback corner two or something, but he's he may contribute

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Speaker 4: elsewhere on the other side, Chase Lunt. The thing I

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Speaker 4: noticed about Chase was in practice. All I was watching

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Speaker 4: him in the first couple of weeks of training camp

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Speaker 4: over at Saint John Fisher. He's playing tackle, right tackle,

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Speaker 4: and a little left tackle in two in reserves, and

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Speaker 4: then you get into these games he's playing guard and

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Speaker 4: right and so that tells me they're trying to make

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Speaker 4: sure he's versatile enough to be able to plug in

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Speaker 4: as a depth piece on their offensive line. Let's face it,

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Speaker 4: they got five offensive linemen that have missed a game,

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Speaker 4: and two they missed one game in two years. One

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Speaker 4: guy right, Spencer Brown, missed the Chiefs game. Everybody else

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Speaker 4: has played every snap for two years except for blowout

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Speaker 4: loss that blowout wins. When they take him off the field,

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're out there all the time. So Chase

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Speaker 4: Lunt is looking to be a part of the guys

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Speaker 4: that are right behind those first five. If he can

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Speaker 4: play guard effectively and tackle, it's hard to it's hard

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Speaker 4: to get a guy like that out of the out

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Speaker 4: of off the field. So I'm yeah, that's I was

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Speaker 4: impressed that they were giving him that shot, And like

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Speaker 4: you said, I think he acquitted himself pretty well. I

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Speaker 4: don't think the offensive line, with the exception of the

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Speaker 4: Chicago game, when I don't know what to really make

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Speaker 4: of that. But you've got a ton of guys out there,

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, things have changed from all the

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Speaker 4: stuff they've been doing for a couple of weeks in

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Speaker 4: training camp. Now you got playing guard, which he hadn't

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Speaker 4: and other guys around him the same air, in the

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Speaker 4: same boat. None of them have played taken many reps

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Speaker 4: in that alignment, and none of them take them together.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it was a It was as bad a

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Speaker 4: situation as you can put guys in, and it was

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Speaker 4: done deliberately. Don't kid yourself. They did it. They listen,

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Speaker 4: see it, let's see it. You're gonna We're throwing you.

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Speaker 4: They were throwing him into a raging river. You know

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Speaker 4: you're there. You go, uh so I don't think they

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Speaker 4: came completely apart. I think there were some things in

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Speaker 4: there that gave you some hope for that. So Lunt

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Speaker 4: is in that group, But that'll give you an idea

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Speaker 4: of what he's had to go through to find a

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Speaker 4: roster spot on a team that's this deep at offensive line.

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Speaker 2: They got to take a break.

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Speaker 3: But who impressed you the most this training camp in preseason?

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Speaker 3: Ato three five fifty the number to jump on board.

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Speaker 3: Dave on a Cell will lead us off when we

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Speaker 3: come back here on one Bill's Live presented by Kill

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Speaker 3: out of Health.

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 3: All right, which player impressed you the most through training

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Speaker 3: camp in the preseason? Ato three five fifty one eight

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Speaker 3: eight five fifty two, five fifty the.

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Speaker 2: Number to join us?

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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna get right back to the phones to

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Speaker 3: some people waiting patiently.

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Speaker 2: Like Dave on a Cell, what's up, Dave?

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Speaker 4: Dave?

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Speaker 2: Are you there?

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Speaker 14: Hi?

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Speaker 15: Guys? Yeah, I'm gonna have to Enius Kler chase a

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Speaker 15: Lunt for a sixth round draft choice? Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 15: And I also like to say that if Dass Shavers

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Speaker 15: doesn't make the fifty three, he's gone, man. He's putting

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Speaker 15: up on tape that somebody's going to scarpe him up.

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Speaker 15: So looking forward to your rest, your shriff.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, yeah, thanks, thanks for the call, Dave.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Steve already addressed lunch, so I'll do a

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Speaker 3: little bit of it here. It was interesting the plan

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Speaker 3: that they had, as Steve mentioned, they you know, lined

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Speaker 3: him up at guard and tackle in the Chicago game,

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Speaker 3: put him out of his comfort zone, and you know,

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Speaker 3: there were some struggles there understandably. You know, people are

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Speaker 3: coming at you from different angles. You're dealing with more

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Speaker 3: load to the ground, heavier players, we're on the edge,

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Speaker 3: you're dealing with more athletes. So it was an adjustment

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Speaker 3: for him, and I found it interesting that they just

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Speaker 3: put him right back out at tackle in the final

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Speaker 3: preseason game. It's like, all right, you did everything we

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Speaker 3: asked of you in the last preseason game. Let's put

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Speaker 3: you where you're comfortable and see what kind of progress

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Speaker 3: you made since you got here. I think that was

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Speaker 3: kind of the plan for him, and he did okay

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Speaker 3: on Saturday night. Is it enough to make the roster?

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Speaker 3: I think that's where the numbers game comes in here,

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Speaker 3: because as we know, you have Dawkins Spencer Brown as

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Speaker 3: your starters, and then you have Van Demark and Tyland Grabil,

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Speaker 3: who's not yet out of the concussion protocol, but assuming

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Speaker 3: he will be before the opener, I mean that's still

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Speaker 3: two weeks away. Are you keeping five offensive tackles if

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Speaker 3: you're only keeping nine linemen? Probably not, which is probably

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Speaker 3: why they went through the exercise of seeing if he

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Speaker 3: could play a guard, and I don't know if they

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Speaker 3: if he gave them a definitive answer that he can,

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Speaker 3: So I'm curious to see where that goes. You are

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Speaker 3: taking a risk if you try to fly him under

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Speaker 3: the radar through waivers to get him to.

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Speaker 2: Your practice squad.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there's not an easy answer there, unless you

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Speaker 3: move one of the more veteran tackles in a trade

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Speaker 3: or something. So we'll have to see what the ultimate

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Speaker 3: outcome is. But I don't think it's likely they're putting

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Speaker 3: five offensive tackles. I mean maybe if Grabel's still in

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Speaker 3: concussion protocol, you know, do you put him on pup

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Speaker 3: and that buys you four weeks?

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Speaker 4: They might keep five offensive tackles if two of them

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Speaker 4: are also guards.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they are, though, Grabel's not, Vandermark isn't

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Speaker 3: and lundon't look like he's ready to play guard yet.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to do some roster gymnastics, maybe

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Speaker 3: you pup list. But that means think about it Grabel,

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Speaker 3: but that takes him out of the equation for four

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Speaker 3: week Van Pryan Graingers out of the mix because he

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Speaker 3: got that'd beat. Well, he's on pupp already, right, you

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Speaker 3: could just leave him there and that's another four weeks

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Speaker 3: for him, and.

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Speaker 2: That's that's an avenue to keeping lunch.

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Speaker 4: Your backup center then would be Alec Anderson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably Alec Anderson or Dan Feeney, the veteran

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Speaker 3: guy who came in late.

870
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 4: There's your that's twelve guys. Well that's not no, it's you.

871
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: Got Alec Anderson, Ryan Vanamark, Tyland Grable. That's nine.

872
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could have two guys down inside Dennis backups.

873
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 4: You have ten guys on your offensive line.

874
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 3: Or you just do nine and you have feoene who

875
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: can play center end card. So there are options there,

876
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: no question, but which ones you choose are going to

877
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: be interesting.

878
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 4: Here.

879
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: Let's squeeze in Tom in Rochester before the break. What's up?

880
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 16: Tom Hi, guys, I got about a number of points

881
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 16: I want to make because I think who played the

882
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 16: best was obvious and no one really wants to swallow it.

883
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 16: But that QB, if that QB's name, I forgot.

884
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: I don't even know the lesson you kill us Shane

885
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: Shane Bouchell.

886
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 16: Yeah, if he goes, If Josh e. Allen goes twenty

887
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 16: three for twenty five, that's all anybody's talking about today.

888
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 16: I totally understand it's a preseason game.

889
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 14: I totally get it, But how many times have we

890
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 14: seen White and Trubisky not do those things? And if

891
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 14: it's a meritocracy way, you know, McDermott says, and I'm

892
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 14: mcdermotts fan that says, you know, show me something in

893
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 14: a game. I mean, what else do you need to see?

894
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 5: Right?

895
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 16: I trust me, It's scary to put Jane Buchelle in.

896
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 14: Front of White or Trubisky. But listen, a long time.

897
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 16: Ago, there was a guy I've I've been a Bill

898
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 16: samp forever, Okay, and there was a guy and he

899
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 16: was from Aledge you go, not Northeastern, Northwestern whatever. He's

900
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 16: a special team guy and we need to wide out

901
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 16: and all of a sudden, he comes in and he's

902
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 16: basically an All Pro because he took advantage of the

903
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 16: opportunity he was given. Now, I don't know what he

904
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 16: was doing, how much of a practice warrior he was,

905
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 16: but he turned into a pretty awesome wide receiver. And

906
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 16: that's Steve right, And I just sit there and go

907
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 16: I get I totally understand what the reservation is about

908
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 16: getting pumped up for a kid on a preseason game,

909
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 16: I get it. But if you're gonna have a conversation

910
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 16: about who impress you the most, I haven't seen a

911
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 16: quarterback play like that in the preseason in fifty two years.

912
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 16: I'm sitting there going, wait, who who better in preseason

913
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 16: has shown up? And you're going, oh my god, it's

914
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 16: just believing something that might might not be true, might

915
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 16: not be true, but who's performed better?

916
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 4: Right?

917
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: I get the point, Tom, I get the point, and

918
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. We're up against the clock, so I gotta

919
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: cut you loose.

920
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 2: Here, go ahead, Steve.

921
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. There's no all right, let's put it

922
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: this way. There's no way Shane Bouchell is going to

923
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 4: come in and play as good as he can play,

924
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 4: even better than he played against the Bucks and win

925
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 4: the starting job, right. I don't know that was totally

926
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 4: off the table. And I don't know that was on

927
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Speaker 4: the table. That he could even win the backup job

928
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 4: by playing well. That might not have been in the

929
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 4: cards either. Whatever the upper end of his job was

930
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 4: on Saturday night against the Bucks, whatever or he had

931
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Speaker 4: was on the table for him to earn, like, was

932
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 4: it the backup job or was it the third job,

933
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 4: or was it in place of Mike White or Miss

934
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 4: Trubisky as the third guy? Whatever the upside of Shane

935
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 4: Bouchell's range of earn was on Saturday night, he got it,

936
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 4: And I don't know what was on the table though.

937
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 4: I don't know what Sean McDermott said, Hey, if you

938
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 4: go out there and play really well, the upside of

939
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 4: it is, we've got a trade offer for you, or whatever.

940
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 2: I would be willing to about it. Didn't tell him anything, right,

941
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: just go play.

942
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 4: Go play, do your best. Whatever in the is on

943
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 4: the table for Shane Bouchell to earn on Saturday night. Yes,

944
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 4: I'm I'm sure he earned it. I don't think, although

945
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 4: I could be wrong, I don't think they said to

946
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 4: the coaching staff even in private that hey, if Bouchelle

947
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 4: knocks it out of the park, we may as well

948
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 4: keep him instead of Trubisky or White. I don't think

949
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: that was on the table, but whatever it was on

950
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 4: the table, I'm with you. He got it. He did.

951
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 4: He couldn't have played he could not have played better.

952
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: We have to take a break here because when we

953
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: come back, our number two is gonna be with senior

954
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: NFL writer from The Ringer, Shield Capatti is going to

955
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: join us. He's got some of his top ranked NFL

956
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: offenses heading into the twenty twenty five season. He'll be

957
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 3: pretty happy with where Buffalo is ranked.

958
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Speaker 1: Next This one Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

959
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: All right, here we are our number two on a Monday.

960
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you and pleased to bring

961
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: in now senior NFL writer for The Ringer, Shil Capatio,

962
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: who has been compiling his offense and defensive rankings heading

963
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Speaker 3: into the twenty twenty five season on the Ringer dot

964
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Speaker 3: com and well, Bills fans, you'll be pretty happy with

965
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: where he has Buffalo's offense because he's.

966
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: Got him in the number one slot.

967
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: And I guess this is I mean, we saw how

968
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 3: good the offense was last year. If you're just going

969
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: on total points, the Bills scored more than anybody, even

970
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: more than Philadelphia and Kansas City, and those two teams

971
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: played an extra football game, so if you count playoffs,

972
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 3: nobody scored more points in Buffalo. But I think it's

973
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: really the efficiency that speaks to me, and judging by

974
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: your right up, you feel similarly.

975
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's right.

976
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 18: I mean there's all sorts of stats you can look

977
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 18: at now, points per game, some of the advanced stats,

978
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 18: all those things, and really by any metric you look at,

979
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 18: it's not only last year, but the last three seasons,

980
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 18: the Bills have been in the top three offensively every

981
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 18: single season. So you know, the short, short version, the

982
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 18: too long, didn't read version is Josh Allen's really good

983
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 18: at and as long as he's healthy and he's out there,

984
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 18: you're probably gonna have a pretty good offense. But you know,

985
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 18: I know they did some things differently last year, maybe

986
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 18: a little bit more balanced, maybe running the football, more

987
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 18: taking care of the football, And I just feel like

988
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 18: they have such a high floor with that offensive line,

989
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 18: assuming it can stay healthy, where you can move some

990
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 18: of the other pieces around, and not that it doesn't matter,

991
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 18: but they still are going to be one of the

992
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 18: best offenses in the NFL. So yeah, they're They're the

993
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 18: offense that I feel the best about going into twenty

994
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 18: twenty five.

995
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 4: And one of the reasons, you know, you can point it, Josh, certainly,

996
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: they've changed you you pointed this out as well. They

997
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 4: changed wide receivers during the last couple of years, they've

998
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 4: changed coordinators in the last couple of years. They've got

999
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 4: a different running backs room in the in the in

1000
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 4: the last couple of years. And it they haven't waivered

1001
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: their top three offense and it and it starts with

1002
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: Josh obviously, and it's you can't get the guy off

1003
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: the field, you can't sack him, and he rarely takes

1004
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 4: a negative play, and it just it just wears teams out.

1005
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 17: Yeah, this sack.

1006
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 18: I'm glad you brought up the sack avoidance thing because

1007
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 18: that's a huge thing in the NFL. I think right

1008
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 18: now you can look at a bunch of different factors,

1009
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 18: but the quarterbacks who even when they're pressured, they find

1010
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 18: a way to avoid those negative plays, whether it's turning

1011
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 18: it into a positive, whether it's a scramble, a throwaway.

1012
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 17: Maybe you're taking a sack, but it's like a one

1013
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 17: yard loss.

1014
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 18: Whatever the case may be, it's a big, big deal

1015
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 18: because there are other quarterbacks who are really good, but

1016
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 18: when they get pressured, they take those sacks, and the

1017
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 18: sack rates are really high. And as we know, when

1018
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 18: you get sacked on any given possession, the numbers have

1019
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 18: shown historically that a lot you know that's going to

1020
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 18: kill your possession a lot of different times. And so

1021
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 18: you know you have eleven possessions in a game, whether

1022
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 18: you get sacked six times or two times, that makes

1023
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 18: a really big difference. And Josh Allen, to me, is

1024
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 18: the best guy in the NFL right now at just

1025
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 18: not taking those sacks in those negative plays.

1026
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 3: Two, three and four on your offensive list are Baltimore,

1027
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 3: Sanfran and Green Bay. So you're clearly expecting a big

1028
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 3: bounce back year for san Fran, who was really beset

1029
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 3: with injuries last year, particularly at the skill positions. But man,

1030
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: what a Week one matchup Sunday night if you got

1031
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: Baltimore in Buffalo.

1032
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: Here your two top ranked offenses.

1033
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,479
Speaker 3: Best of luck to those two defenses, respectively on Sunday night.

1034
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's gonna be a lot of fun.

1035
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 18: I mean, obviously, last two years, these have been the

1036
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 18: MVP candidates, each of them winning one of them. I

1037
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 18: think they're they're the two best offenses in the NFL.

1038
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 18: I think they're two legit Super Bowl contenders. We could

1039
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 18: either do it AFC or league wide, and they've got

1040
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 18: to be on anyone's short list. I mean, I don't

1041
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 18: know how you don't have them on there. You really

1042
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 18: look at the last five years and it's like, it's

1043
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 18: so rare for a team to have a stretch like

1044
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 18: either the Ravens or the Bills where they're just knocking

1045
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 18: on the door and are that close and don't break through.

1046
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 18: So I feel like it's gonna happen one of these years.

1047
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 18: Is it gonna be one of.

1048
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 17: These this year?

1049
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 18: We will say, But they've both been right there, and

1050
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 18: that's gonna be a lot of fun with those two guys.

1051
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 17: In Week one.

1052
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 4: There's a lot on social media between Baltimore raven fans

1053
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 4: and Bill's fans, Lamar and Josh, and both sides have

1054
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 4: to you have to concede how good both guys are.

1055
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 4: You know, the Ravens fans have to look at Josh say, yeah,

1056
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 4: he's pretty good, and Bill's fans same thing. I mean,

1057
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 4: how do you sneeze at what Lamar has done in

1058
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 4: the league. Both these guys are absolute massive forces on

1059
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 4: the field. How do you compare and contrast these two guys?

1060
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 4: Certainly the year last year that Lamar had last year

1061
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 4: was off the charts, and just like Josh was such

1062
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 4: a huge part of his offense. How do you compare

1063
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 4: and contrast Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. I know they're

1064
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 4: both awesome, but somebody, you know, at some point you

1065
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 4: got to pick one or the other if you're going

1066
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 4: to have a discussion about it. Where do you make

1067
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 4: the distinction?

1068
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 18: Yeah, they really are video game numbers. Yeah when you

1069
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 18: just look at their Pro Football Reference pages and just

1070
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 18: in the offseason when I'm doing my summer prep and

1071
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 18: I look at Lamar Chajackson in forty one touchdowns, four

1072
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 18: interceptions passing, and then he runs for nine hundred yards

1073
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 18: like this was you know, this is not a thing

1074
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 18: that's supposed to be that's supposed to happen.

1075
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 17: In the NFL. So he's right there.

1076
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 18: I would probably give Josh Allen the slight edge because

1077
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 18: of the durability factor. Now, guys can get injured at

1078
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 18: any time in the NFL, but Josh Allen to me,

1079
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 18: is sort of like Lebron James in the NBA, where

1080
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 18: if he were to go down with an injury, you know,

1081
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 18: it really has to be something severe. You just feel

1082
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 18: like he's usually the one delivering the punishment on those runs.

1083
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 18: He's been so tough, he's been so durable. Lamar Jackson's

1084
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 18: been very durable in recent years. He had a couple

1085
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 18: of years earlier in his career where he missed five

1086
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 18: games I think in back to back seasons. So just

1087
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 18: for that, I would probably give Josh Allen the edge.

1088
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 18: But yeah, if I'm an expansion team, if I'm an owner,

1089
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 18: I'll take either one of them as my quarterback and

1090
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 18: you're probably gonna have a top five offense and you're

1091
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 18: gonna be in the play I mean, they've each won

1092
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 18: I think over seventy percent of their games, which again

1093
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 18: it's like you can move all the pieces around them defensively, coaching, whatever,

1094
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 18: and you just had that quarterback on the field, You're

1095
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 18: probably gonna win seventy percent of your games.

1096
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 3: Flipping it over to your defensive rankings for this coming season.

1097
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 3: It's not surprise surprising to see the Bills kind of

1098
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: right smack dab in the middle in light of their

1099
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 3: struggles last year, where the only thing they did well

1100
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 3: on defense on a consistent basis was take the football away.

1101
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 3: Getting off the field on third down was a monumental problem.

1102
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 3: Their sacks dropped considerably from the year before when they

1103
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: were in the top three, and you only.

1104
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: Had thirty eight last year.

1105
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 3: So they decided to make the investment up front, and

1106
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 3: I would say for the first time in a long

1107
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 3: time a defense that had been built from the back

1108
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 3: forward with the likes of Hyde and Poyer and Tredevius

1109
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: White as a young man. They kind of went the

1110
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: other way and invested heavily upfront, hoping that fixes some

1111
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 3: of the ills. But there are concerns about the secondary

1112
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 3: here going into the regular season.

1113
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: So how do you see that unit?

1114
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 18: Yeah, I look at them overall, and I don't think

1115
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 18: Sean McDermott has had what I would call a bad

1116
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 18: defense since he got there. I think he sets a

1117
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 18: certain floor where, hey, you might be middle of the pack.

1118
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 18: There might be some weeks where it doesn't look good,

1119
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 18: but you're not going to be, you know, a bottom

1120
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 18: eight a bottom ten defense in the NFL. Now, I

1121
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 18: think in the playoffs is where I have some concerns

1122
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 18: with the Bills defense. They've just had a tough time

1123
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 18: against the great quarterbacks in the AFC coming up with

1124
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 18: game plans to keep their offense in the game. I mean,

1125
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 18: even going back to last year and the way Josh

1126
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 18: Allen that offense played, and I know they had a

1127
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 18: chance at the end, but I feel like there's been

1128
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 18: a number of those games where they're just having trouble

1129
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 18: in those one off games. And these are great quarterbacks

1130
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 18: they're facing, so a lot of teams have trouble against them.

1131
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 18: But that to me is the next step in the

1132
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 18: Bills defense. So it's almost unfair to say, but you

1133
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 18: can tell me the regular season goes any one way,

1134
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 18: I need to see it in the playoffs if they're

1135
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 18: going to come to get over the hump there. So

1136
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 18: the way they're built, I feel like they've made that

1137
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 18: investment in the defensive line over the years and they

1138
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 18: got a lot of good players. They just don't have

1139
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 18: kind of that game wrecker where you say, hey is

1140
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 18: third down against Patrick Mahomes in the fourth quarter. Who's

1141
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 18: the guy who's going to be able to pressure him

1142
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 18: and force him into a negative play. So Rousseau and

1143
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 18: Oliver they're taking the flyer on Joey Bosa this year, Apiness.

1144
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 18: I mean they again, these are good players, but I

1145
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 18: think they would love for just one of those guys

1146
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 18: to kind of emerge and be able to be a

1147
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 18: game wrecker in a big spot.

1148
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 17: So I'm with you on the back end.

1149
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 18: Yeah, obviously, I'm sure in Buffalo you guys are probably

1150
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 18: tired of talking about the second cornerback spot, you know,

1151
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 18: but obviously that's going to be.

1152
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 17: A concern going into the season.

1153
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 18: Can they get something, you know, adequate out of that spot,

1154
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 18: so it's not a player just being picked on that

1155
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 18: that's probably the biggest concern I would look at right

1156
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 18: now on the defense.

1157
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 4: And even if you do spin it all positive, how

1158
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 4: good is joe at his best he would be the

1159
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 4: centerpiece of the free agent and also Michael Hoyt as

1160
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 4: well from the Rams, so when he gets back from

1161
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 4: a six game suspension. But if you spin it positive

1162
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 4: and these guys do play their best, like Mike Hoyt

1163
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 4: and Joey Bosa stays healthy, States gives them twenty games,

1164
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 4: you know, through the playoffs all of that stuff. How

1165
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 4: good are those guys even if he played.

1166
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 18: Bosa, it's obviously been a health thing for a while. Now,

1167
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 18: you know, can he stay if he can stay healthy,

1168
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 18: and so for him, it's not necessarily like I don't

1169
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 18: need to see him have fourteen sacks in the regular season.

1170
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 18: I know they're doing a lot of things to kind

1171
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 18: of manage his workload, and they're thinking about that. I

1172
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 18: know when they had Von Miller, they were thinking about that, Hey,

1173
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 18: how can we get this guy healthy in the playoffs.

1174
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 18: Now that didn't work out, But I think it's a

1175
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 18: similar mentality here where there are little things in the

1176
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 18: regular season where you say, hey, do we need to

1177
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 18: manage his snapcount, do we need to help him out

1178
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 18: here during the practice week, those kinds of things, Because

1179
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 18: this is there's only a handful of teams where you

1180
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,919
Speaker 18: say it's kind of about what happens in January over

1181
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 18: the regular season. Not to say you're not trying to

1182
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 18: win every week. We know you're trying to do that.

1183
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 18: You're trying to get the one seed. But I do

1184
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 18: think They're one of these teams that kind of has

1185
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 18: the end game in mind, and having a healthy, productive

1186
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 18: Joey Bosa in January that would be a difference maker

1187
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 18: for them.

1188
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 3: And then with respect to some of the defenses you

1189
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 3: rank pretty high. The Bills pace three of the ones

1190
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 3: you've got in the top five, Baltimore, Philly, and Houston.

1191
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: Fortunately two of those are at home, but I mean

1192
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 3: these are defenses that are going to bring it. Just

1193
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 3: your thoughts on some of those teams you've got in

1194
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 3: the top five there, Baltimore, Philly, and Houston.

1195
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 18: Yeah, defenses are always hard to project year to year.

1196
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 18: A lot of things change. Offensively, if you have the

1197
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 18: same quarterback and the play caller, you kind of know

1198
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 18: what you're gonna get year to year.

1199
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 17: And defensively it's different.

1200
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 18: That Ravens defense really came on in the second half

1201
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 18: of last season with a new defensive coordinator, so I

1202
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 18: think they're going to kind of not that you always

1203
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 18: build on one year to the next, but I think

1204
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 18: they've got the pieces in place, specifically in that secondary,

1205
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 18: to be a good unit. Houston I think has a

1206
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 18: chance to be the best defense in the NFL. You know,

1207
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 18: I think their front is really impressive.

1208
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 17: I think they're really well coached.

1209
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 18: And they've got a Number One corner on the back

1210
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 18: end in Derek Stingley. And then the Eagles, we saw

1211
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 18: what they did last year. I mean, no one has

1212
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 18: made Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid look like that when

1213
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 18: you look at the first three quarters of the Super

1214
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 18: Bowl when the game was really decided. That had not

1215
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 18: happened previously in a playoff game with the Chiefs.

1216
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 17: So Eagles have some issues.

1217
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 18: You know, they lost some guys in free agency, but

1218
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 18: I go back to the coaching there with a guy

1219
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 18: like Vic Fangio who's seen it all, and they've still

1220
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 18: got some young players there where I think all those

1221
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 18: defenses are going to be pretty good this year.

1222
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 4: So if you talk and we've spoken about it already

1223
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 4: in this segment about you know, the Bills and the

1224
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 4: Ravens getting on the door and knocking on it, you know,

1225
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 4: year after year after year, what are some teams that

1226
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 4: are maybe dark horses that come out of the wood

1227
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 4: and vie for you know, the Baltimore's and the cam

1228
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 4: and the Bills in the Kansas City. You know, those

1229
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 4: three teams who have been there perpetually all over the

1230
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 4: last handful of years. Who else is going to join

1231
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 4: that party?

1232
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 18: Yeah, those three are kind of on their own tier

1233
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 18: where I think if you ask people, hey, you can

1234
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 18: have those three or you can have the rest of

1235
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 18: the AFC. I think most people would just I'll take

1236
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 18: my chances with those three.

1237
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 17: That's how it's been.

1238
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 18: But if there is a sleeper, you know, the Bengals,

1239
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 18: I just the defense on paper is not good enough.

1240
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 18: But if Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and C Higgins

1241
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 18: are putting up thirty, I mean they're gonna be tough

1242
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 18: to defend on a weekly basis. So if they find

1243
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 18: a way to get some of their young players, They've

1244
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 18: invested a lot of draft capital in that defense. If

1245
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 18: some of those younger players can improve this year and

1246
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 18: they can just have you know, an average defense, maybe

1247
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 18: a little below average defense, just something that's different than

1248
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 18: last year when they couldn't even be competitive, I wouldn't

1249
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 18: rule them out completely.

1250
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 17: And then the other one is Houston.

1251
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 18: You know, I don't think Houston's generating a lot of

1252
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 18: buzz the way their offense kind of took a step

1253
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 18: back last year. People are out on them. I have

1254
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 18: a lot of concerns about their offensive line, but.

1255
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 17: I still do like c. J.

1256
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 18: Stroud, I like their pass cashing talent, and I like

1257
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 18: their defense. They're in a division that's not that impressive,

1258
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 18: so maybe they pile up some wins in the regular season.

1259
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 18: So if it's not those top three, those are probably

1260
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 18: two of the names that would come to mind.

1261
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Houston with a new coordinator too, and Nick Keley

1262
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 3: who comes over from the Rams system, so that'll be

1263
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 3: interesting to see how that materializes as well.

1264
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 2: Sheil, thanks for the time.

1265
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 3: As always, we are on the cusp of the regular season,

1266
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 3: so we'll catch up with you down the line, but

1267
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,959
Speaker 3: enjoy kickoff week next week.

1268
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 17: All right, guys, thanks for having me talk to you soon.

1269
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 3: All right, that Shield Capatia joining us senior NFL writer

1270
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 3: from The Ringer and pretty comprehensive rundown of the offenses

1271
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 3: and defenses. And he kind of does it in a

1272
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 3: bite sized, you know, drive through window kind of format.

1273
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 3: It's not it was very good, not long winded, you know,

1274
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 3: just like, hey, here's what you need to know, here's

1275
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 3: the next team, here's what you need to know, here

1276
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 3: is the next thing.

1277
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 4: And he was I always gauge it by how accurate

1278
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 4: they are about buff because you and I feel like

1279
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 4: we have our finger on the pulse what we're doing

1280
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 4: here in this building. And if he, you know, comes in,

1281
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 4: parachutes in and nails it, I was thinking, Okay, if

1282
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 4: he nailed us, he's probably nailing everybody else too, And

1283
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 4: then he really did. He had he had the bills

1284
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 4: pretty accurately.

1285
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 3: I mean, they led the league in points per drive

1286
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 3: last year. I mean I think they were like right

1287
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: around three points per possession. Oh yeah, which is a

1288
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 3: fat number for those that aren't familiar with that statistic.

1289
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 3: If you're over two and a half, you're doing pretty good.

1290
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 3: They were flirting with three well also.

1291
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 4: And some of the stuff that I mentioned to him

1292
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 4: was the stuff about, you know, this is a team

1293
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 4: that has changed the skill. You know that everybody eats thing.

1294
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 4: They changed out the wide receivers, got rid of digs,

1295
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Speaker 4: got rid of Gabe Davis, the you know, the whole

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Speaker 4: thing's changed over. The running back went from Devin Singletary

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Speaker 4: to this committee we have now with James Cook who

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Speaker 4: just signed the extension. They've changed coordinators. Uh So it

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Speaker 4: didn't matter, It didn't matter.

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Speaker 3: They how you have and now you have the continuity

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Speaker 3: of that because coordinator stayed the same and the bulk

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Speaker 3: of your offense stayed the same, with the exception of

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe Josh Palmer, you know, in your third

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Speaker 3: tight end in Jackson Hawes presumably.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's.

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Speaker 3: Not a lot has been turned over, not nearly as

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Speaker 3: much as last year, so the continuity factor is real.

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Speaker 4: Said this as well too, and the Bills turned the

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Speaker 4: football over, had really few turnovers last year, only on

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Speaker 4: four percent of their drives from a year ago. That's

1311
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Speaker 4: that's almost ridiculously low. So you feel like that may

1312
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Speaker 4: drift back to drift back to the mean. So that

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Speaker 4: may be a drag on how effective you can be

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Speaker 4: weak to weak.

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Speaker 2: Which is a good reason why you're hoping your defense

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Speaker 2: is better.

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Speaker 4: Right, So so he's kind of you're it was good luck.

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Speaker 4: If you think turnovers are bad luck or good luck,

1319
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Speaker 4: which some of it is both. That coming back to

1320
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Speaker 4: the statistical mean may be a drag on the team.

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01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 4: But they're you know, they're gonna turn over twenty five times,

1322
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Speaker 4: you know, I mean, they're gonna sold. But yeah, that

1323
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 4: all of that stuff when you have one of these

1324
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Speaker 4: years that's an aberration. Statistically, everybody feels like, well, it'll

1325
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Speaker 4: swing back the other way a little bit. And that's

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Speaker 4: really one of the only drags on why he thinks

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Speaker 4: that the Bills may not have as good a year

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Speaker 4: as they did last year, because last year they were

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Speaker 4: they were unbelievable. Off it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he still had him in the top spot, So

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Speaker 3: make of it what you will. We're still talking with

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Speaker 3: you about the player or players who impressed you the

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Speaker 3: most through the course of training camp in the preseason

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Speaker 3: for the Bills final roster gets set tomorrow. Who do

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01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 3: you think impressed you maybe made a good case for

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Speaker 3: the roster.

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Speaker 2: You let us know it.

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Speaker 3: Eight o three to zero five fifty one eight eight

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Speaker 3: eight five point fifty two five fifty those in the

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Speaker 3: numbers to join us, and we'll take time now to

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Speaker 3: crack open the tweet sheet brought to you by Corrigan

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Speaker 3: Where Steve says on offense, it was Coleman he put

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01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 3: in the off seat in work and it shows he

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01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 3: seemed to be all business and on a mission on defense. Milano,

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Speaker 3: he may have been the best player on the field

1347
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 3: during camp, day in and day out. This version of

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Speaker 3: Milano automatically makes this defense much better.

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Speaker 2: How much do you think, let's just entertain this for

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Speaker 2: a second.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Matt Milano gets to the regular season healthy and

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Speaker 3: he is all pro version Matt Mlano, how much does

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Speaker 3: that raise the level of the performance of this defense collectively?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's a good question, because here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: They haven't gotten sixteen games out of him the last

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Speaker 2: two years.

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Speaker 4: I'll say this, if he comes in that means you

1358
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 4: can kind of count on Milano making a play, like

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Speaker 4: almost every game or every three quarters of a game,

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Speaker 4: he'll make a PA you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Let me give you a small samples, right, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, which was Bernard's first year as

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Speaker 3: a starter, right going into the Miami game in Week four,

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Speaker 3: the Bills were leading the league in takeaways. Bernard had

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Speaker 3: one or Milano had one each week, and Milano had

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Speaker 3: a fumble recovery in the Week four game against Miami. Right,

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Speaker 3: they were going into that game and that was the

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Speaker 3: seventy point game Miami team.

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Speaker 2: Let's not forget that.

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Speaker 3: They come in here and the Bills lead the league

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Speaker 3: in takeaways, chiefly because of Milano and Bernard at that

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Speaker 3: point in time, and milanal gets a takeaway on a

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Speaker 3: fumble recovery and they pretty much stemy the Dolphins and

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Speaker 3: hold them to twenty points after scoring seventy the week before.

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Speaker 3: That's a small taste of those two guys on the

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Speaker 3: field together for week on week on week.

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Speaker 4: So we're thinking just the two of those guys, maybe

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Speaker 4: not just the two of those guys, but given the

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Speaker 4: improvement up front all that stuff that you, I think

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Speaker 4: it's not out of the question that they could move

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Speaker 4: up by a couple of points per game given up,

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Speaker 4: reduce the points, and reduced the points allowed by a

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Speaker 4: couple of points. Maybe maybe not a full field goal

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01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 4: because that's a fat but yeah, you get an extra stop,

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Speaker 4: maybe two stops a game that turns into something big.

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Speaker 4: When you've got an offense that is as efficient as

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Speaker 4: the Bills is there, if you stop them twice more,

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Speaker 4: that's six. That's whatever points you took off the board

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Speaker 4: from the opponent. Plus it's three points a drive for

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Speaker 4: the Bills offense on average, So you're that's an extra

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 4: almost a touchdown a game different for a team that

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Speaker 4: was scored thirty points. Thirty points on the right now,

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Speaker 4: thirty points like all the time, right, So I mean,

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Speaker 4: let's you go back and look at it. N one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

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Speaker 4: eleven twelve games out of the seventeen and in a row.

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Speaker 4: At thirty and nine in a row. Yeah, you and

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Speaker 4: you add an extra six points of differential in that,

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Speaker 4: you're there. Yeah, that's when that's when you start thinking

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Speaker 4: about maybe having the one seed, which is something that

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Speaker 4: that has been elusive this club. It's hard to get.

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01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 4: It's hard to get. It's a long season.

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Speaker 2: But the Chiefs are in a tougher division.

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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, they're in a tougher division, and they won

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01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 4: like eleven to one score games last year.

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Speaker 2: There's something that will come. And you would think, so, yeah, that.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot in that. But thee the Chiefs defense

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01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 4: has been significantly better than the Bills. Yes, so they

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Speaker 4: they're already kind of there. But that's where you're at.

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Speaker 4: If you're Buffalo. Yeah, with a healthy Milano and if

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Speaker 4: and if you can get Max Harriston and Trey White

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Speaker 4: healthy and keep that healthy and da all that, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think it's yes, I'm i think that's on the table.

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01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 4: You can get a couple of extra points on average

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01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 4: off the board for the other team, and get a

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Speaker 4: couple of stops on drives where you give it back

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Speaker 4: to an offense that doesn't get stopped on drives, and

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Speaker 4: the results are obvious.

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Speaker 3: Break time for us here, but we're right back to

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Speaker 3: your phone calls when we get back. Mark and West

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Speaker 3: Seneca gonna lead us off when we return here on

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Speaker 3: One Bills Live, presented by co Lot of Health, It's

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Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bill's.

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Speaker 3: Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, asking you who

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01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 3: impressed you the most during this training camp and pre

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01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 3: season on Buffalo's roster. Back to the phones, we go

1427
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 3: into Mark and West Seneca.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 19: Mark, Hey, Chris, Steve Harriott today. Good hey for me

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Speaker 19: to answer your question. And I got a question about

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01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 19: a couple of players. I think it's in reason and

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01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 19: maybe I'm biased to guys that are drafted high and

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01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 19: all that kind of stuff and high prospects and all that.

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01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 19: But Buffalo Joe when he came in, you always wonder

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01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 19: what the path he took. Does the guy really have

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01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 19: the talent? To play and does he have the talent

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01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 19: to stick around on enough roster for any length of time.

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Speaker 19: But I think he has shown it in spades that

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Speaker 19: not only that he belongs, but that he can thrive.

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Speaker 19: And I just love the kid. I think he's done

1441
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 19: an absolute, absolute great job, especially from where he's come,

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Speaker 19: So I want to give him kudos for that. My

1443
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 19: questions are this number one old foe shield. You never

1444
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 19: hear anything about him, plays, in practice, whatever's going on,

1445
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 19: He's always under the radar, and I think it's a

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01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 19: real stretch for him to make the fifty three. But

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01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 19: do you guys think he's even a candidate for the

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Speaker 19: practice squad? And then my other question is center with

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Speaker 19: Van Granger being injured all summer, are we vulnerable there?

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01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 19: What would be the bills play if McGovern went down.

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01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 19: Would they be shoveling the line or do they have

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01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 19: somebody they would plug in as a backup? And can

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01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 19: you explain I know if he goes, I wow, Dan Granger,

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01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 19: he's got to miss four games, But what's the deal

1455
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 19: with tup. I'm curious as to when they would have

1456
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 19: to put him on before the cutdown, after the cutdown,

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Speaker 19: and when he would be available back for the rosters.

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Speaker 19: So definitely got today guys. Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as far as PUP, it's the same amount of

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Speaker 3: time four games. I'm not one hundred percent sure as

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Speaker 3: to whether they have to make that designation prior to

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01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 3: the cutdown to fifty three or after like they do

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Speaker 3: with IR. But because he's on I believe he's on

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Speaker 3: active PUP right now. I'll have to check his designation.

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Speaker 3: I think they can just keep him there and he

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Speaker 3: once you get to the regular season, he won't count

1467
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Speaker 3: towards a roster spot and it would be a four

1468
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Speaker 3: week layoff similar to IR designation after you get to

1469
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Speaker 3: the fifty three being set. So that's kind of where

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Speaker 3: that is. I'll let Steve handle the backup center thing.

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Speaker 3: But Uleafotio, Yeah, I think he's in danger of not

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Speaker 3: making fifty three man roster. He was playing late in

1473
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 3: the game on Saturday, which usually is in a great

1474
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 3: sign for a player's prospects, and I think the biggest

1475
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 3: threat to his position on the roster has been two players.

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Speaker 3: One of them is Shaq Thompson, who I think has

1477
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 3: been surprisingly athletic just eleven months removed from achilles surgery.

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01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 3: He had the hamstring injury and missed some time, but

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Speaker 3: I think he showed enough before the injury and now

1480
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 3: has come back from it. There's a history there from

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01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 3: his days in Carolina in this system under McDermott, and

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Speaker 3: I think for a thirty one year old, he's a

1483
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 3: welcome veteran addition to your depth at the linebacker position.

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Speaker 3: And then the guy that I think has beaten out Uleafotio,

1485
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 3: and the depth chart and the play on the field

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01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 3: would indicate this is Keyante Jenkins. Now he's been shelved

1487
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 3: with an anchor injury. We don't know how long that's

1488
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Speaker 3: going to be, but I think he outperformed Uleafotio and

1489
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Speaker 3: has better physical traits and because of that, I think

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01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 3: he's a better asset on special teams where you need

1491
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 3: somebody to get down the field run forty yards to

1492
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 3: still cover punts, and he did that like he and

1493
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 3: Charlot combined on that tackle in Chicago where they dropped

1494
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 3: the punt returner like a yard after he caught it

1495
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 3: and ran up field. And he was running with some

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Speaker 3: of the units on defense before Uleafosio got on the field.

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Speaker 3: So I think Ulefosio could be practice squad, but I

1498
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 3: think he might get pushed off the roster by Thompson

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Speaker 3: and Keyante Jenkins.

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Speaker 2: Steve, why don't you handle the backup center situation?

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01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 4: Well, the backup center, it depends on what they're going

1502
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 4: to do with, said Van Pran Granger.

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Speaker 2: He's probably gonna start on pup.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, things they may be able to do it with

1505
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 4: guys like Alec Anderson. They've got a couple of guys

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Speaker 4: on that were playing it during ir regular season, during

1507
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 4: the the preseason, but yeah, to begin with here, it

1508
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 4: may come down to how they want to just kind

1509
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 4: of navigate through it early on. I think that I'm

1510
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 4: trying to find that.

1511
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 3: Well, you have Alec Anderson, He's a candidate, right, Alec Anderson.

1512
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 2: San Feenie is a candidate. And I would not put

1513
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 2: it to me.

1514
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 3: It said a lot that Shane Bouchelle gets his first

1515
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,759
Speaker 3: start in the preseason and his center is Dan Feenie

1516
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 3: who got here just two weeks ago.

1517
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 4: That Jacob Behar and Kendrick Green as well on the roster.

1518
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 4: I would think they would probably and I hate to

1519
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 4: say it like this, make do if they don't want

1520
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 4: to keep you know, Feenie, Bear or Green on the roster,

1521
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 4: and it depends on what they think of Cedric van

1522
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 4: pran Grainger. Lis'ten not Van prank Granger popped his calf

1523
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 4: like a week twour days before training camp and he

1524
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 4: was he was like going around on a scooter. That's

1525
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 4: how bad it a calf injury was. So he's back

1526
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 4: on his feet working back into shape now, but he

1527
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 4: didn't not a single snap at training camp.

1528
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 3: And then to be ready for a regular season opener

1529
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 3: of God, forget the government goes down.

1530
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how ihalistic that is.

1531
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna give Cedric Van pring Grainger as

1532
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 4: long a runway as he needs to get back in

1533
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 4: shape and then they'll make a decision then. But look

1534
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:25,480
Speaker 4: for Kendrick Green, Jacob Bayer or Feenie to be Theylec

1535
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 4: Anderson or Alec Anderson. Yeah, and that's right. Alec Anderson

1536
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 4: could be the stop gap there as well.

1537
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 3: For but you're talking about a month, yeah, and what

1538
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 3: you could do also, and again this goes back to

1539
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 3: the roster gymnastics that the Bills are going to have

1540
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 3: to probably undertake here in the next twenty four hours.

1541
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 3: You maybe you have other players you want to keep

1542
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 3: on the active roster on the offensive line, and maybe

1543
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 3: what you do is you make Dan Feeney your practice

1544
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 3: squad veteran. And then let's say, you know, you get

1545
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 3: to Week one and you feel better about Feenie as

1546
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 3: a backup center than say Alec Anderson or anybody else

1547
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 3: that Steve mentioned, and maybe he's a roster elevation week

1548
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 3: one to serve as a backup center slash guard. You

1549
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 3: could do it that way too, So there are options there,

1550
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 3: I guess is the long ans.

1551
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 4: And it could be they like Kendrick Green better than

1552
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 4: foene because Kendrick Green wasn't playing, you know what I mean. Possible,

1553
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 4: So we like, once again we say this every so often,

1554
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 4: we don't know what they think about their own players,

1555
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 4: and this is particularly true at this moment. Kendrick Green

1556
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 4: is a six four, three hundred and fifteen poundies twenty

1557
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 4: six years old, been in the league for five years.

1558
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,879
Speaker 4: So any one of these guys, well, Jacob bears a rookie,

1559
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 4: he's undrafted rookie, So any one of these three guys

1560
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 4: might have caught their eye and they may have the

1561
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 4: thing like this is the guy we want as our

1562
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 4: backup center at least for the first month of the

1563
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 4: regular season, until Cedric Vamprin Grainger can come in and

1564
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 4: have a training camp and getting ready for us to

1565
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 4: evaluate him, like we have value waited everybody else is

1566
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 4: because I'm sure that s SVPG won't just get a

1567
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 4: punch ticket say no, no, no, he's our guy. I don't

1568
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 4: know that they do it that way.

1569
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 2: So but I agree with you, he'll have a long

1570
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna give them.

1571
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 4: They'll get him a long run away it because.

1572
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 3: When you have a calf injury and your alignment and

1573
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 3: you're driving off your legs and firing out of your

1574
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 3: stance on every single play, plus and then you've got

1575
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 3: three hundred pounders leaning on you like that, those calves

1576
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 3: and a lot of other leg muscles are under a

1577
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 3: lot of stress. So you've got to make sure that

1578
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 3: thing is one hundred and fifty percent ready, otherwise you

1579
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 3: have a relapse and another injury.

1580
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 2: So they don't want to they don't want that.

1581
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 4: That's a that's a good question mark because that's the

1582
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 4: backup center is. We kind of take everything for granted

1583
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 4: because nobody ever gets goes down right and McGovern seems

1584
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 4: like he's been so solid and I'm knocking on all

1585
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 4: his wood, but we'll see. I think it's it is

1586
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,839
Speaker 4: something to think about, and we don't know the answers,

1587
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 4: but those are the possibilities. Bear Green, Feenie.

1588
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 3: Let's get back to the phones and too, Mike and Hamburg.

1589
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 3: What's up, Mike?

1590
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 8: Hey, guys. I think that Shavers is the one that

1591
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 8: impressed me of most, and I think by the end

1592
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 8: of the year he might even be pushing for the

1593
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 8: third wide receiver. He's got the height, the speed, and

1594
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,839
Speaker 8: his hands are well, they're very good. So I like him.

1595
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 8: I like more more is going to make the team

1596
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 8: because of his speed and his UH and his UH

1597
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 8: and his experience. I think that one of the reasons

1598
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 8: that they held out uh. What am I thinking of

1599
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 8: Sanders is because they're in the process of trading him. Also,

1600
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 8: Mitch Trubisky was very good in the preseason. He looked

1601
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 8: like he was a lot better than he was last year.

1602
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 8: And then there's Jay what is it date DJ? What's

1603
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 8: his last name?

1604
01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 4: TJ? Sanders.

1605
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's he's the one that plays in the mo's right.

1606
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he plays three techniques.

1607
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think he. I think he is gonna

1608
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 8: win his career. He's he is big, fast, he's very

1609
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 8: nimble on his seat, he keeps his head up while

1610
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 8: he's rushing instead of down. I think you might see

1611
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 8: him push and be as good as Chris Jones within

1612
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 8: the next couple of years.

1613
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 2: All right, Mike, thanks for the call.

1614
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 4: I agree what happened because Chris Jones is a game ring.

1615
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 2: He's an all pro.

1616
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 3: I agree with you about Trubisky because last year, at

1617
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 3: this time, Trubisky was not overwhelmingly impressive. It was he

1618
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 3: if you remember, he had come back after being with

1619
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 3: the Steelers for a year, came back for his second

1620
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 3: stint last year to be the backup quarterback here, and

1621
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 3: his arm strength seemed to be compromised. His mobility was

1622
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 3: less than I remembered it being. And I don't know

1623
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 3: what he did in this past offseason, but he looks

1624
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 3: like old Mitch Trubisky now. He's more mobile, his arms

1625
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 3: got a little more zip than I remember from last year,

1626
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 3: and I think he put himself in a very strong

1627
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 3: position to be the backup quarterback here. So I would

1628
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 3: agree with you on that. I'm not sure who you

1629
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 3: were talking about that could get traded because it's not

1630
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 3: going to be TJ. Sanders he said Sanders earlier in

1631
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,759
Speaker 3: the call, So I don't know what that was about.

1632
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 3: I don't see that happening. What else did he talk

1633
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 3: about there?

1634
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:39,679
Speaker 4: He I've got him down for Trubisky, TJ Sanders more as.

1635
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: Well Elijah Moore.

1636
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1637
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,560
Speaker 3: The other thing working in Elijah Moore's favor is his

1638
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 3: salary is guaranteed as part of his contract agreement. It's

1639
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 3: only two and a half million that's guaranteed. That's not

1640
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 3: a lot of money, but it could help his case.

1641
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 3: And he also so we got to pay for him anyway.

1642
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's also talking about Curtis Samuel getting traded.

1643
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 3: Oh that's who he met, not Sanders, he said Sanders,

1644
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 3: He meant Samuel.

1645
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Yeah, I mean we've been catching a lot

1646
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 4: of Samuel talk.

1647
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,440
Speaker 3: People have lost their patience with his lack of availability.

1648
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 3: I feel like from the fans, right because some of.

1649
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 2: That, Yes, and I get it.

1650
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 4: We had this conversation where we've had a lot of

1651
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 4: conversations about Curtis Samuel because of this. When he's on

1652
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 4: the field, he's really good, he's dynamic, and he caught

1653
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 4: a touchdown in each of the three playoff games last year.

1654
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 4: And when you hear Joe Brady talk about him, he

1655
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 4: seems to really love the guy.

1656
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 2: It sounds like he's got plans for him.

1657
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, he likes his Versatilian, likes what he does. So

1658
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:45,799
Speaker 4: if Samuel can stay available, it seems like the sky's

1659
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 4: the limit, both in the way the coaching staff thinks

1660
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 4: about him and the way they have used him in

1661
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 4: the product product production he's had when he has been

1662
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 4: on the field. So we'll see that. But let's face

1663
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 4: it's a little bit like the Joey Bosa thing. When

1664
01:23:59,120 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 4: he's healthy.

1665
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 3: Let's go, Yeah, let's squeeze in Stephen here on a

1666
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 3: sale before the break.

1667
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,839
Speaker 2: What's up, Steven, Hey.

1668
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 12: Good afternoon, guys. A couple quick things. Okay, So, first

1669
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 12: of all, I've heard it put this way that referred

1670
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:18,799
Speaker 12: to the assessment that Brandon Bean gave about Tredavious White

1671
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 12: kind of cryptic. So, first of all, do you think

1672
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 12: that the reason for that, you know, it's kind of vague,

1673
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 12: is because he is ready and they want to kind

1674
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 12: of withhold the status on him to you know, because

1675
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 12: of the upcoming game with the Ravens or is he

1676
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 12: not going to be ready. The other thing I wanted

1677
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 12: to mention is I was watching Joe Marino's Lockdown Bill's

1678
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 12: podcast this morning and he was talking about the signing

1679
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 12: of Jordan Phillips, and the first he said he was

1680
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 12: confused about this, but the more he thought about this,

1681
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 12: and I agree with this, I'd like to get your

1682
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 12: feedback on this. They said, Okay, we have solid starters

1683
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 12: on the defensive line with day Kwon Jones, and but

1684
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 12: we've only got two rookies TJ. Sanders and Dan lockerhod

1685
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 12: have no NFL playing time, and then Dwayne Carter who

1686
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 12: has not been very effective in the preseason. So do

1687
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 12: you see the reason for the Bills being signing Jordan Phillips,

1688
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 12: as Joe Marino says, because they need to shore up

1689
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 12: the defensive line going into the first game against the Ravens.

1690
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 3: Okay, so a lot of questions in there, Steven, thanks

1691
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 3: for the call. I would say, you're suspicions your theory

1692
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 3: about Brandon Bean's commentary on the Trudevious White injury, which

1693
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 3: described it as a lower leg injury when he was

1694
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 3: on our TV partner WIVB TV before the preseason game

1695
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 3: didn't give a prognosis. They typically do not. But there

1696
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 3: could be Number one, some strategic advantage there and not

1697
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 3: revealing the timetable for that injury on purpose because they

1698
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 3: are they have a giant game in Week one as

1699
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 3: we know. Or it could be yeah that they don't

1700
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 3: want to reveal a timetable if it's going to be

1701
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 3: some time.

1702
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 2: It could be any one of those things.

1703
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 3: As for your other question, Jordan Phillip, Steve and I

1704
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 3: were talking about this already today. You're probably if you're

1705
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 3: keeping ten defensive alignment on your fifty three man roster.

1706
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 3: Is that five ends and five DT's or is it

1707
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 3: six ends and four DT's like they did last year

1708
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 3: when they kept ten. Could be any one of those scenarios.

1709
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 3: I tend to think that the Bills historically like to

1710
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 3: keep a big defensive lineman on their practice squad. The

1711
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 3: past couple of years it's been Elianku. I would anticipate

1712
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 3: it the Jordan Phillips signing being more something like that

1713
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 3: than to command a fifty three man roster spot because

1714
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 3: the way Sean operates, Steve, you don't have somebody just

1715
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 3: swoop in and take a roster spot when you have

1716
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 3: guys that have been working here for the last six weeks.

1717
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. And I don't think the Trey White,

1718
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,040
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any gamesmanship going on within from me.

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Speaker 3: Well, they don't have to give information right now, it's

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Speaker 3: not the regular season.

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Speaker 4: They're not obligated to, right. I don't think they're I

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Speaker 4: don't think it's any gamesmanship. I think they're just doing

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Speaker 4: what they're allowed to do. They've never really done that

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Speaker 4: in this building under McDermott.

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Speaker 3: I mean, as far as they've ever gone is saying

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Speaker 3: week to week when pressed on an injury.

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Speaker 4: Prior to that, yeah, maybe next week when they're required

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Speaker 4: to give an injury, and if we don't hear before that,

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Speaker 4: we'll get a little more definitive answer.

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Speaker 3: Got to take a break here, try to squeeze in

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Speaker 3: a phone call when we get back on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Stay with us, all right, one last segment here on

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Speaker 3: One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve tasks you're gonna get

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Speaker 3: right back to the phones, where we have about thirty

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Speaker 3: seconds for Ryan in Toronto.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 20: Ryan Kirsteve loves show kind of take me a clause

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Speaker 20: and I love shas Bro. I don't know what else

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Speaker 20: this guy needs to do to get on the roster.

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Speaker 20: This guy needs to be on the roster. Thank you

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Speaker 20: for taking McCall yeah over day all.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I would agree. I mean, it's hard to

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Speaker 4: imagine him doing more than he did. And I think

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Speaker 4: the fact is, forget about the receiver stuff. We've seen

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Speaker 4: him do that even in the games he was the

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Speaker 4: brief time he was up in the roster last year.

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Speaker 4: But what I see now is his ability to contribute

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Speaker 4: on special teams. He made some plays on that and

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Speaker 4: did really well, and he upped his game over there.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the biggest play he made on special teams came

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Speaker 3: on Saturday night against the Bucks. Right after he scored

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Speaker 3: the touchdown, the defense comes out or no, it was

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Speaker 3: a kickoff. I think it was the ensuing kickoffsuing kickoff, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and leviskus Chnault loses contain on the edge and he

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Speaker 3: runs up the sideline. Tyrrel Shavers comes forty yards across

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Speaker 3: the field. He's on the back side of the play.

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Speaker 3: He runs forty yards across the field and knocks the

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Speaker 3: return man out of bounds. Otherwise he might have run

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Speaker 3: all the way for a touchdown. So it was his

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Speaker 3: advancement in his play on special teams. And I think

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Speaker 3: the one advancement he made in his receiver talent is

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Speaker 3: he improved his releases at the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: As you know, Steve as a tall guy. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot to.

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Speaker 3: Hit there for dbs, and he has improved his release

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Speaker 3: game to get open quickly. And I think those are

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Speaker 3: the two things that will put him over the top.

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Speaker 3: So fear not, Ryan, I have confidence that he will

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Speaker 3: be on the fifty three.

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Speaker 4: We're with you, Ryan, we believe he's going to make

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Speaker 4: the fifty three to two, but we're not in the

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Speaker 4: room so we can't. That is true.

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Speaker 3: They do not make the decisions, but we agree with

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Speaker 3: your opinion on that subject. That is just about it

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Speaker 3: for us here today. We'll see what we find out

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Speaker 3: tomorrow prior to the four pm deadline, and if we

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Speaker 3: have news, we'll bring it to you here on One

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Speaker 3: Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: We'll see it.

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Speaker 14: One