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Speaker 1: If the into the Gangster Chronicles James McDonald, Rixie Reright Jr.

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Speaker 1: And Alex Tomanso on the Digital Soapbox Network Material Witness

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Speaker 1: um they believe this might be in retaliation to her testimony.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of The Gangster Chronicles. And I am Alex Alonso

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Speaker 1: And I'm here with my co host James McDonald from

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Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles James McDonald, And uh, we gotta give a

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Speaker 1: now for a minute at Atwater Federal Camp, Federal Penitentiary.

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Speaker 1: but they call him this time. It's just the name

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Speaker 1: Gregut He was from our front hood and he was

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00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: promoting parties and he would he bugged me to do something.

425
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: And now I loaded my truck. He gave me my

426
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: money up front. No no questions was, no questions asked.

427
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: And you know I did ship for everybody, so you know,

428
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: it just was a different time. Man. The turns. I

429
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 1: did a lot of essays sets true story. I'm doing

430
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: the essay setting in uh Whittier backyard booging. They started fighting,

431
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: to essay, gangs started fighting. These motherfucker's for real, call

432
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: the time out, Hold on homes, hold on homes. Let

433
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: the DJ gold Man. I'm not bullshit. And they gave

434
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: my cousin a surance sticky. He hired a motherfucker. He

435
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: can't help me do nothing, the essays both sides. Help

436
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: me load my truck up. They gave me my money,

437
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 1: help me get my cousin high asking the truck, and

438
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: we pulled up. They got the fighting again. No bullshit.

439
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: See that's the crazy stuff you had to deal with

440
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: all that, that that kind of ship. Because at that time

441
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: I was one a few as one of the only

442
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: DJs around. I'm gonna say I was the first. I

443
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: don't know no about everybody's business, but I know I was.

444
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: I was working my ass off from I was doing

445
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: lou Alls and Russian ship and pigs in the goddamn ground,

446
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: the whole nine yards, and I'm doing the Gang of

447
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: Kiss and Ship all over the city. When the dram

448
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: started coming around you, I just see drading until about

449
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: eighty two eighty three. Now when when when you met

450
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: Dre and a lot of people got this misconception of

451
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: Dre being his thug out as cat and I was

452
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: mentioning that to your early one thing I hated when

453
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: they did straight out of confidence. Drey was beating up

454
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: some shuer security. And if anybody know Dre and you know,

455
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: is that the type of cat that that wasn't his

456
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: get down, that wasn't need to get down. Uh, Drey

457
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: was always real aid back dude. He never really got

458
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: in that kind of stuff. Um, we had issues. Understand me,

459
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm eight years older than Dre, I'm five year older

460
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: than Yellow and Cube by my twelve yethold in these cats,

461
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: so there was an issue. I had to treat them

462
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: cats like kids, you know, the grown folk problem. You'll

463
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 1: go set your ass down because you don't know what

464
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: you're doing. Okay, you're gonna do. You're gonna be a liability.

465
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: The same reason why I couldn't be a game banger

466
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: back in the day, because I wouldn't I was, I

467
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: was a skinny kid. I'm gonna be a liability. And

468
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: you think it's got the answer to my mama for

469
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: letting me get beat up, so before I do all that.

470
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: And because they respected my mama something terrible in the hood,

471
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: they could go home, drop us off and go home,

472
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: or be just around the corner in twenty minutes. Okay,

473
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So it was almost the same

474
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: thing that but with these cats when they were we

475
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: did have problems they weren't involved in and our problems.

476
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: You know, I had a cruel of guys that even

477
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: after Dark Roscoe and Unknown DJ and some mother cats

478
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: that you know, we was frontline. Okay. But before that though,

479
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: usually I don't have to worry about the whole lout

480
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: of that because Yellow I maintained the outside and all

481
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 1: the homies. Okay, we had that relationship. Lazo ain't then

482
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: going down. But we love what you're doing, man, blah

483
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: blah blah. We ain't that. Nobody messed up just right

484
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: here now, y'all gotta take care of your other stuff

485
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: on the inside. And that's what we did a little bit.

486
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: He wasn't security. He just was a homie that just

487
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: me and him has always been cool. Me and his

488
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: cousin was cool. And I've never been the club free

489
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: and he just made you man, no wordy about nothing

490
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: I got. I got discovered. You know, I like what

491
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: you're doing, man, just to keep you know, just keep

492
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. That's that's that's our relationship. I

493
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: moved to Dodos. I hired him and uh Marvin and

494
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: some other in the f O Y and Reggie's dad

495
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: and them from Compton p D to do my security dodos.

496
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: So you know, I had different levels of security. These

497
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: Reggie's dad and them. They were like the guys that

498
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: knew everybody that kept the ship down for the most

499
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: part because they knew they was the police. I had

500
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 1: the f O I to wash the doors because they

501
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: was cheaper than Reggie than Reggie's dad and them, and

502
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: then Keith and you know Ice and I'll rested the

503
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: cast that I had on my team. They just walked

504
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: the floor mation. Nobody starting ship in the club. Was

505
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: that Marvin Zy Marvin with the diving in this two? Yeah, yeah,

506
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: Marvin and big Uh what's a big big man named

507
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: damn uh? The big Lieutenant. I forgot this sting. But yeah,

508
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: there was about that was due that's above eighty five.

509
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: I lived. I was kind of in transition between I

510
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: was chesting do those out when old Man wanted to

511
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: shut the eve down. I mean, the cops is have

512
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: an issue that at the Eve. I figured I'm going

513
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: around the corner. But Ship, you know, it was like

514
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: that's Compton. What my people follow me to Compton although

515
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: its right around the corner. Whole different mindset because you

516
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: right there on Pyrou Heaven you and Pyrou Central. If

517
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: you don't get a pass, we ain't coming, okay, And

518
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: I think we get a pass that though. It was risky.

519
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: But after I talked to Yellow Ice or some other

520
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: man to get a couple of guards to keep keep

521
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: the keep the fools down, We're having the rest. It

522
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: was like that, and it was cool. You didn't get

523
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: that many fights, but you had fights. You had fights. Yeah,

524
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean one of the one of the biggest things

525
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: we ever had. We had no edition there, man, you know,

526
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: and it worked out and everything was cool. It's about

527
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: one forty five and that ship kind of blew up.

528
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: Why do y'all stop? Do those? Why shut now record record?

529
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: Who blew up? That's why I left Dodos. I was

530
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: doing I was doing do Thos on Friday, skate land

531
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: on Saturday. We always don't come to p D shut

532
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: that down because there was so many cats. I know,

533
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: Reggie Wright was there, Reggie Philip Bailey with my cousin

534
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 1: and uh so he ran to swap meet with Reggie

535
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: and a couple of other cats from from the p

536
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: D here Retaylor, these all these cats. They hadn't even

537
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: got all they stripes yet, and we just had a

538
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: good relationship with him, so we I didn't had no

539
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: problem about the city at all. It just that I

540
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: blew up wrecking crew wise. We started getting gigs. We

541
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: were doing Dodos on Friday, scared Land on Saturday, and

542
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: then people started calling to do gigs out of town.

543
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: Not making just as much money, if not more money,

544
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: gigging and going out of town, and like what ship

545
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: that I came back? Uncle James arm me trying to

546
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: run do to try to run skate Land and that

547
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: ship didn't last that long. Now, you guys kind of

548
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: butt heads, right, we butt we butt ahead from day

549
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: one the very beginning was it with Roger Clayton, specifically,

550
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: me and Roger was really pot this man. We was buddies.

551
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: We worked at the same place together in Compton. There

552
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: was on Walnut. There was a record distributor on Walnut

553
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 1: in Central called record Shack. We both worked there. And

554
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: when he formed his idea to start his production company,

555
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: I was at the DJ at Alpine Village and we

556
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: worked together for a while, and then people started booking

557
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: me at the DJ to do other shows at Alpine.

558
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: He got pissed at me, and then after that I left.

559
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: When to started even the dock, I offered him a partnership,

560
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: and man, too many show mayor too many gangbagers. Well

561
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: I do all the share man nothing makers. So I'm

562
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: gonna do this with with without you. And you know,

563
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: after about five or six months, the ship blew up.

564
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: So basically your success inspired him. We had a we

565
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: had a love hate rivalry. Man. You know, my thing

566
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: was always consistency. You know, I don't like moving around.

567
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: Fucking DJ equipment is heavy, Okay, to move to do

568
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: a party in different places every Friday and Saturday night

569
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 1: was like moving a small bedroom or one room apartment

570
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: like four or five times and one night, because you

571
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: gotta take it out the house, put in the truck

572
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: load of ship, and then you might not make no money.

573
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: And that my old man knew. The old man, the

574
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: old own even after dark, they were drinking buddies. So

575
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: I cut a deal. I ain't got to move no more,

576
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: but I still kept doing Alpine Village and uh Queen

577
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: Mary Convention Center my hotel, and bring everybody back to

578
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: the Eve for the after party because the evening closed.

579
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 1: The five six o'clock in the morning. Sometimes we had

580
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: a smooth thing. We had a real smooth thing. So

581
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: back in you got your wrecking crews blowing up. Yeah,

582
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: Uncle James Armies blowing up, blowing up. And then you

583
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: also had greg Ever. Gregory Ever was doing ultrawave. Um.

584
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: Did you have a relationship with Gregory? Every mean, I

585
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: didn't know Gregory back then. We got a real tight

586
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: of the last past fifteen years because we laugh about

587
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: those times now, because they was they was trying to

588
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: compete with us. I want to compete with nobody. I

589
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: had to even I wasn't. I had no part. I

590
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: had no no, I had no competitions. Well, you had

591
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: the streets. That's why I had. We had we had to.

592
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: We had the the east side. What nobody coming to

593
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: the east side, Okay, you had to be a certain

594
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: cat to go to the east side. Anything on this

595
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: side of Crenshaw. I had no competitions. You know, everybody

596
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: was afraid to come over there. And you know, I've

597
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: been there so long, you know, think about it. You know.

598
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: The one person to try to was Roger Eskatel, and

599
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: he had a couple of shows that was successful, but

600
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: nobody had to tenure to. I had on the east side,

601
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: and then I guess Gregory saw an opportunity for the

602
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: west side because all his ultrawave stuff was on the

603
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: west side of town. It was even in like Culver City, right,

604
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: he had the he had the same spot that Roger

605
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: opened up, the Vegelans Uditory. Uncle Jam's army. The rod

606
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: in the sixties followed everywhere they went, so everywhere they

607
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: went there was some ship. So greg me and Greggy

608
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: laughed about that. He said what he did. He went

609
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: in with a nonprofit and was able to get the

610
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: Vegeans Uditorium through his nonprofit of mom or somebody had

611
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: a nonprofit or whatever the case may be. That they

612
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: didn't get that. Roger was piste off and he started

613
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: doing the sports arena and ship like that, and that

614
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: ship worked out for a while the sixties. That for him,

615
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: it's always like some gangship is always involved, and no

616
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: matter what's going on in this town, business with gangs,

617
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: it ain't gona work. Even if you try to stay

618
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: away from it, it's not see what happens. Let me

619
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: tell you about this. Let me let me tell you

620
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: the real reason why cats go for the gang ship

621
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: because when gangs show up, they showed, they show up deep.

622
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: You got you know, even too dark. When when the

623
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: Nickerson showed up even to dark, they're making sixty cats

624
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: with them. But if you got f Y, if you

625
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: have f O Y just as deep, then they would

626
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: be able to no not y former. Yeah, but see

627
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: you got sixty cats from Nickerson Gardens. They may be bloods,

628
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: but they not messing with Eugima Village. Okay. And they're

629
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: bloods too, So you got you know, you got the

630
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: numbers game now and see the promoter, I'm winning no

631
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: matter what because I got village Yuhima Village, they got

632
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: thirty five forty cats. I got another fifty sixty cats

633
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: from from Nickerson Gardens. And everybody is is I'm making

634
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: money for everybody, but everybody ain't getting along. Okay, you

635
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: got everybody would Centennial. You don't know what happened to Centennial.

636
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 1: And it's a personal ef. Nickinson Garden's got him out numbered. Okay,

637
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: they can they can pock them, Okay, they can park them.

638
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: And this is what happened when you when you were

639
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: bringing gangs into any kind of venue, you got as

640
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: a as a as a businessman, I'm winning short term,

641
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: but long term I'm gonna loose. Now, James, you said

642
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: it's possible, you think because it seems like any big

643
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: thing you got going on in this town, whether you're

644
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: on the west side of the east side, some gang

645
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: is gonna be on your head. Everybody think that that

646
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: just because that statehood, you owe them something, you know

647
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Even in our hood, if you came

648
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: and wanted to to to give out free turkeys, well

649
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: you better give us a few of the turkeys just

650
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: for doing it. And you know a lot of cats

651
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: think like that, you know what I'm saying. But just

652
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: just bringing in, say fancies, you got the show going on,

653
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: and you want to bring me to do security. The

654
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: home is gonna come just because I'm there, you know

655
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Then then everybody knows, okay we're doing this.

656
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: You got catch coming from everywhere being a part of that.

657
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: I want to be around it, so you gott catch that.

658
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: Don't like this cat, just like you were saying, now,

659
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: you gotta worry about a big old thing going on nowadays.

660
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: Ain't no talking, ain't no conversation. It's just pop pop pop,

661
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: your show was over over, especially if they didn't like

662
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: you and knew you were throwing the gig. Man, We're

663
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: gonna come over and go over there and shoot it up.

664
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: Turn it out. You ain't gonna make your money. We

665
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, that's why we do. And you see,

666
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the reasons why we don't have

667
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in the hood right now, because

668
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: you have to understand there's a hit in hand behind

669
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: all business that most people don't understand. That's the insurance companies.

670
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: When you got when you have incidents, repeated incidents and lawsuits,

671
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: your insurance is going through the roof. It costs more

672
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: money to insure businesses in l a Compton and wats

673
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: any place in the city. And they know it's a

674
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: lot of gang activity, whether it be a liquor store, loundramatic,

675
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: be anything. So if you if you go over only

676
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: on the west side and enshore the same building for

677
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars a month a year and you're going

678
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: on the east side and then is ten thousand, perfect example,

679
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: even after dark. We went from five thousand a year

680
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: twenty grand. We had a business. I ain't at the

681
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: more that the insurance. The insurance went from fifteen with

682
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: from five thousand to twenty thousand. And I ain't do

683
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't do it no more. So that's one of

684
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: the reasons why you went over to skate Land. That's

685
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: just happened this year. I wasn't even start forty years man,

686
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: thirty nine years, and in six months I was. I

687
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: had the keys and had the relationship thirty nine years.

688
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: I didn't run it consistently thirty nine years with me

689
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: and the old man. I'd go back every few years

690
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: to do parties, whatever the case may, because we had

691
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: that relationship. And then, uh, you know, we had a

692
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: couple of issues, and then they found out we was

693
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: doing met exotic and female exotic. And that changes everything

694
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: because now you look as a strip club and see

695
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: first we had a problem because they didn't know what

696
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: was doing it. But then we started putting flowers on

697
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: the internet. Oh these thinking just do a stripping the

698
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna put them with a stripper bill here twenty grand,

699
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: so they charge you more. Hell yeah, well you got

700
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: away with the wait for a good little why I

701
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: ain't man, ain't man all right? Um? I interviewed, Uh,

702
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: legendary l A radio DJ Greg Macy a couple of

703
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: months ago and he said that, uh, he didn't really

704
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: have a great relationship with Roger, but he linked up

705
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: with you and he said that, Um kind of that's

706
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: how the Mixed Masters was birthed at k Day, taking

707
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: a couple of your DJs and putting them on the radio,

708
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: right me and Greg. When Gregg first touchdown in l A,

709
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: I was when the first cast he met. And uh, um,

710
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: he wasn't about the dances. I just shut the eve

711
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: down about to open up the dodos and I invited

712
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: Hi much to do those one that he saw big

713
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: it was. He said, man, what if I could get

714
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: you some acts like who I'm making you climax? Uh

715
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: so and so, and he brought me new Edition and

716
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: like happened. That's how new Edition out here, you know.

717
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: He Gregg was a programming director for kDa, and we

718
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: had even we was making underground mixes. We had even

719
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: done a legit record yet I don't think and uh,

720
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: Greg but had by he being a programming the director,

721
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: he had a lot of in pull radio or record companies.

722
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: So he gave me dodos. He gave me to act

723
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: for Dodos on Friday, take him out to the valley

724
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: on Saturdays, and everybody was winning. You know, we did

725
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: he did the consta. He did Uh I forgot to

726
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: name the skate Land skate ring out in uh Valley,

727
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: and then uh we started doing ship I would I

728
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: have a group at Dodo's Friday, another group at skate

729
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: Land right next door Saturday night. And then you think

730
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: about constant commentar real consta and then he do the consta.

731
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: So we had a thing, and then you know many

732
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: By the time the eighties gotten got in full forth

733
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: about eight six eighty seven, it stopped being worthwhile to

734
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: do teamship in l A because games was sucking up

735
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: everything we didn't. Hip hop kind of start going commercial

736
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: a little bit too, and people were the big record

737
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: companies were coming in at that time, maybe squeezing you out.

738
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: We never really got squeezed out, per see, we got uh.

739
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: They started to compete with us more because we first

740
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: started doing this with nobody checking for hip hop. Hip

741
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: hop it just was born right after hip after the

742
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: disco it died, so people everybody thought hip hop was

743
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: gonna take the same rotors as disco. Died flow deaf,

744
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah, but disco mean hip hop

745
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: came around and ship that ship was it was baby

746
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: in the people chore Baby, But that motherfucker lived and

747
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: they lived on and got a healthy It's fucked. Hey.

748
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: I was watching the Fat Boys on Soul Train in

749
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: my dad, and my dad said, why are you into

750
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: this music so much? He said, in about five or

751
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: six years, just like you said about how disco died.

752
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: He said, about five or six years, this rap music,

753
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: this hip hop is gonna be dead. And my dad

754
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: was usually right on stuff, but he was completely wrong

755
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: on that. I'm sure you probably you just said that

756
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: they told me because disco didn't last ten years. Maybe

757
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: the school lasts like four years, four years, seventy nine,

758
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: But no, no, uh, disco was hot in seventy five

759
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: because in seventies six I named my first DJ name

760
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: was disco Linzo. Okay. By seventy seven, I just go

761
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: back to this Linzo okay. But they still have some

762
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: disco hits. In seventy nine, they Stephen Michael Jackson's Off

763
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: the Wall was inspired. Kind of right, you figured, let's

764
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: say five years, didn't it was last dude, disco you

765
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: want Disco died though, because white people can't dance. Well,

766
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: they was loving John. They would loving but John, but John,

767
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: but but but the average disco. You go to the disco,

768
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: you know white people, white people dance that ship. It's like, yeah,

769
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: that's it. Actually just make you laugh. Both of white

770
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: guys can't dance right now after the disco? When did

771
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: When did you get with Dre? Now? I got with

772
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: drey Man about I said about eight I I brought

773
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: Curtis Blow to Even after Dark And that's from drey

774
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: show about eight two. He came to the customer and

775
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: came at the customer to come in on DJ. He

776
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: come out that he was he was supposed to been DJ,

777
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: and I heard he was a DJ, one of my

778
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: young homies. He gotta check out this kid named Dre

779
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: and uh and his name is Tim. Some people take

780
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: credit for that. It was it wasn't. It wasn't. It

781
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: wasn't Tim to take credit for another Tim from the

782
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: neighborhood that worked worked at Even after Dark, and um

783
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: I heard about him and I got folk d J.

784
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: I don't he know more DJs? And then Dre came

785
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: to the club one night and then somehow another the

786
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: brother ended up on my turn tables and he didn't

787
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: ask me. I don't know who he talked to, but

788
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: he ended up on the turn tables. And that's how

789
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: this ship started. He was good, He was good. He

790
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: had this little mix he did with Mr Postman and

791
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: uh job rhythm tracks and like I said in his documentary,

792
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: um niggas was dancing, but they was dancing confus you

793
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: they don't know what the dance to the slow track

794
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: or the fast track. And they were like, but that

795
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: ship is dope, and I'm saying here, what then is

796
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: he doing? And when he got through, we had we

797
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: had to have a conversation. So this was in DUDOS.

798
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: He just went dark. You have the dark, so he

799
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: just goes up there some kind of way d d J.

800
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: That's the birth of dre then right there and even

801
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: after dark, right after that, he came Easy. He came

802
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: with Easy, but Easy couldn't get in. I wasn't that

803
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: easy eat. Easy was still thugged out. I would mean

804
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: because even if I had a dress code like you

805
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: like you like we had a dress code. They came

806
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: one week I turned I turned them both away. But

807
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: people would people. People don't realize Me and Drey lived

808
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: on the same street. He meant his dad and his

809
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: his uh, his dad and his uncles was my age.

810
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: So we all hung out. So when Drake came back,

811
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: Hey man, I'm Theodore's son. You know what you're doing.

812
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,959
Speaker 1: My uncle's Teddy and Deborah and you know blah blah blah. Okay, Cold,

813
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: change your clothes, come on back. He did, and I

814
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: gave him a pass. But he came back with Easy.

815
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Easy didn't change. Not so easy to go home and

816
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: change clow just to pissy mom let d up to

817
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: piss Easy off. So it's safe to say that Easy

818
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: was the one that was actually really game banging. Easy

819
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: was easy with most street. Okay, I never all the

820
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: years I know him Easy, I never known him to

821
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: claim a set. Now, I could be wrong. I never done.

822
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: He was. He was, He had that attire, he had

823
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: that look. Okay, I never know him to claim the

824
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: set now. So I saw Easy not the second time

825
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: I saw Easy he came to my house. It's true

826
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: stories in my book. Easy not with w A, not

827
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: with Alonzo. Easy I was biggest fuck like Drey. What

828
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: happened your boy? Man, oh this girl hit him in

829
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: the him the g I Joe Lunchbell. Wow. So that

830
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: was my first real noticing him, Like, damn, dude, what

831
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: you do to her? Oh? Man, I don't want to

832
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: talk about it. We had a different relationship. I mean,

833
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: this is the part that people don't understand about Alonzo.

834
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you be a part of this because I

835
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: know these dudes. They wasn't easy. They wasn't these Okay,

836
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: they wasn't the dudes that people have they belcome understand. Also,

837
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: they was younger, they was kids straight, was still in

838
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: high school when he came to me. Cube was still

839
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: going to Washington when he came to here, like fourteen.

840
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: But when they started, when they started n w A

841
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: and was was straight out of Compton, niggers with attitudes

842
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: and they run this persona as they was like straight

843
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: gangsters and and I mean you didn't see that. It's crazy,

844
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: like you ain't even gangster? Like wait wait wait wait

845
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: wait wait it worked, wait wait wait it worked. Understand this.

846
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: Y'all want y'all want the real y'all with some bulls

847
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: yet Okay, this is the chronicles yea, Yeah, y'all want

848
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: the really with some bulls. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no

849
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: that do though. Understand this. You gotta fifteens, you gotta

850
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: cube was seventeen when he left my house and going

851
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: to Arras on the state. They wasn't gang panging, Okay,

852
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: he was going to school to be an architect. Okay,

853
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: Dre was with me multiple kids already, Yellow damn sure,

854
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: wasn't no game banger. Okay, Easy was around. He was

855
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: the only one that had the tough image. Okay. But

856
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: Easy was so laid back, you know. Easy was not,

857
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, in your face kind of guy. I've never

858
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: seen Easy piste off. Okay. So for them, and then

859
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: they was around my house doing the demos, all the

860
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: ships you saw and straight out of Compton. Easy doing

861
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: the demos was done at the house I live in

862
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: right now. I've been in my house for thirty some

863
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: fo years, all that ship, the early ship, until I

864
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: walked out the door and say, you got a Dre

865
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: with at my house that supposed been in my house. Okay.

866
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: So when they brought Easy demo in from the studio

867
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: into my living room, my dining room for us to

868
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: see it, niggas laughed. The only thig that didn't laugh

869
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: was Linzo. The reason why Liso didn't laugh, because I

870
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: understood the record business to know that when you got

871
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: a record on the radio already at that time called

872
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: picking Bookers and it's a hit by business market. Just

873
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: think I got a shot too, Okay. Everybody else laughed,

874
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: so they couldn't tell you that the trade out of

875
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: competence like that. You saw like you saw a lot

876
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: of ship in the trail of the compting that you

877
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: know what, that didn't fly like that? Okay. So when

878
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: I saw it, I'm like, damn, dude, I don't even

879
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: want to talk. Had a shot. But again, boys in

880
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: the Hood was a street song. It wasn't a game

881
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: banging song. It wasn't you know it was. It wasn't

882
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: even about him per se. Okay, it was. It was

883
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: a street song. Boys in the Hood is always hard.

884
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: If you talking that ship, they'll pull your card anything,

885
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: I'll pull your card, They'll pull your card. Okay. So

886
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: when you understand and you see the evolution of Easy eating,

887
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: if you watched this evolution like I did, even after

888
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: Easy blew up, Easy still would come by my house. Okay.

889
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: He had the two big bodyguards and he had Yellow

890
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: was doing Parno at my house in the back. Okay,

891
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: Yellow first started doing Parno. He was doing it in

892
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: my studio. So you had big Man, you had the tooth,

893
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: someones and Easy. They would come to the pad and

894
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: hang out some time and just chill and chip on

895
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: the girls and you know. And once when I picked

896
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: their head and see what's happening, I said, Easy, how

897
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: you like how you like? How you like being a gangster?

898
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: He said, he said, lies, Oh with a bottle, I'm

899
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: gonna sell it. Okay. If you remember, Easy was never

900
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: trying to be in the front. I'm not trying to

901
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: just the brother by no means, I'm not trying to.

902
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to just show that. He wouldn't when

903
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: you put Easy voice with Dre's beats, and then I

904
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: was sudden. You you you find something, It's like it's

905
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: like when you find a niche, you you go for it.

906
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: It was magic, okay, And you know he went forward.

907
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: He made it work for him. I can't get mad

908
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: about that, man, I can't get me. You know, it

909
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: wasn't I don't know how hard, how hard he was,

910
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: Kelly Park, I didn't know him like that. Okay, but

911
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: I knew he got down because some of the people

912
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: he got down with I knew them too, Okay, but

913
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: they had enough respect for me not to break it

914
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: to my house. Yeah, okay. So once you understand what

915
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: you see it from my perspective, See, I'm not just

916
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: uh if you if you look at this ship from

917
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: being a like a concert, I'm not just. I'm not

918
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: in the front row. I'm a backstage and just motherfucker. Okay.

919
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: I was there when the when they were bringing in

920
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: the South since and they was putting the stage together.

921
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm not just a ticket buying cats. So the ticket

922
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: buying cats have a perspective that the people from the back,

923
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: from the backstage, got a whole different perspective. I started

924
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: for they went to the dressing room, So why you

925
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: didn't have a bigger part into a n w A.

926
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: We know what here it is, doc n w A.

927
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm born in fifty seven. I'm sixty two fucking years old. Okay,

928
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: at that time, I was thirty about thirty thirty years old, Okay,

929
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: I from I'm a kid from the sixties. Man, I'm

930
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: a I'm a kid from the civil rights uh uh movement. Okay,

931
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm I grew up on Curtis Mayfield and ship like that.

932
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: So the word nigger, although it was used in my house,

933
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: it was used in closed doors. I never thought that

934
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: that name. If anything I hated on was the name.

935
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't so much the music. It was like, how

936
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: y'all call yourself niggas with attitude? I Linzo Williams could

937
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: not take nigga's attitude to Gerald Busby or Larking Arnold.

938
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: These guys are one in double A CP Awards. How

939
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: the funk am I gonna take them? Niggas with attitudes?

940
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: Jerry Heller, you was cool with Jerry Heller. I knew

941
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: Jerry Helen that Jerry Heller had that and he went

942
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: and pitched them to the You gotta understand Jerry Heller

943
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: pitched that ship with what a motherfucking pitch for it?

944
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: Way away? Okay, when when when I took not introduced

945
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: Easy either Jerry Heller because in the movie you see

946
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: easy Jerry Heller carrying boxes bullshit. He don't carry nam

947
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: box never. Okay, Record Crew got a deal with Jerry

948
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: Heller was trying to be my manager. He was trying

949
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: to be Record crews manager. Okay, I didn't need no

950
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: manager because CBSC Sony had already offered us a hundred

951
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: racks to come over to Sony on my own, just

952
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: on the fact that I was I was a new

953
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: rap group out of l a hey Man, we got

954
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: a hundred racks. We gotta come over here. Wha cool.

955
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I called my lawyer up and said, man, do I

956
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: need a manager? He said, now what you didn't manage

957
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: it for? You want to give away twenty grand I

958
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: said no, He said, well funk it. Then come over

959
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: to my office, give me a check, and I will

960
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: do negotiate your contract and you're gonna learn the music

961
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: business firsthand. So what happened was one I learned the

962
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: music business firsthand. It cost me ten thousand to do that,

963
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: but I saved twenty because I had to give it

964
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: to Jerry. You followed me. I had enough business since

965
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: already from running to eve after dark to no basic

966
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: terms of business percentages, blah blah blah, and I didn't

967
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: get to my my my my grades of school wasn't

968
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: that bad. So I knew some ship, Okay, I wasn't stupid.

969
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: So when Jerry came around, when when uh, we got

970
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: to deal with CBS. We were short some money and

971
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: I went to Jerry to ask, you know, hey, man,

972
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: could you possibly find this money for us? He said cool?

973
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: And when he found the money, everybody wanted to be

974
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 1: down with Jerry Heller, which was cool for me because

975
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: just by this time record crew was blowing up. We

976
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta record deal, we got a new album,

977
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: we got people calling for dates. It's just too big

978
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: for me, okay. Plus I was having fun being in

979
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: the group as opposed to just running the record labor,

980
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: and I was independent. It wasn't no thing. But now

981
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: we we're on a major. So after we did the

982
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: deal with CBS, Jerry found think it was like five

983
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: six grand for us. That was at the Union. When

984
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: he found that money at the Union, Drey and Yeller

985
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: thought he was, oh my god, he found money for us.

986
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: They alright got broke. And when Drey and Yeller was

987
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: talking so much about Jerry Heller around easy easy, I

988
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: wanted to meet that Jerry Heller guy. And that's when

989
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: Alonzo came in. Well, now what the problem was? I

990
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: tell my book and untill the thousand times, when Drey

991
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: cut the deal, when Dre and Easy cut the deal

992
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: to get Dre out of jail. He wanted Dre to

993
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: do some beach for him. Well, like I told him,

994
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: Dre went to diet jail, not Linzo. The studio is mine.

995
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: What you're doing beats, I don't care, but that nigets

996
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: to push record. You got to give me my money,

997
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: so easy olden studio time, okay for cutting Boys in

998
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: the Hood and everything else he did over there, they

999
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: cut the demos. Yeah. So now he wants to meet

1000
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: Jerry Heller. All right, okay, fine, but I need to

1001
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: get paid first. When I give you, give you the

1002
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: money that I owe you. No, Nick, you can't give

1003
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: him what you owe meeting and you still want a favorite,

1004
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: pay me my money and put some on top of that,

1005
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: and then we'll make it happen. So we're talking about

1006
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: So now he gave me another two fifty to make

1007
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: it happen with Jerry, and Jerry tell you that he uh,

1008
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: he paid him seven fifties just to meet him. Now,

1009
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: the nigga old me five hunted, and he gave me

1010
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: another tool hunted to hook it up with him and Jerry.

1011
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: Once I hooked him and Jerry up Jerry didn't want

1012
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: to work with Easy at all, even after he met him.

1013
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: He didn't want to sunk with him. He don't know him.

1014
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: Plus Easy with a different kind of cat. Easy ain't

1015
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: like Lines though, Egyptian Lover and Rudy from the Dream

1016
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: Team that was the cast he was working with at

1017
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: the time. Easy walking around with his money in his sock.

1018
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: Jerry coming to me on the man, who is this guy?

1019
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: Where he gets his money from? He don't know shit,

1020
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: He don't know ship. So he's coming to Lines because

1021
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: Lines brought the guy to him. Hey man, who is

1022
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: this guy? What's happened with him? What do you think

1023
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: about this group Nigga's attitude? How should I? How should

1024
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: I did with that? I said, hey man, very carefully, okay,

1025
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: very carefully. I'm a Jewish guy from the valley. How

1026
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: do I have managed group called Nickel's Attitude? And That's

1027
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: what I told him, very carefully, dude. So now they're

1028
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: doing their thing. They dropped the Deposse album in w

1029
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: and the Posse that was mccola. Okay, then um, I

1030
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: think they took it over to um to um. What's

1031
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: that priority? Okay? They redistributed that priority and then they did.

1032
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: Then they um my company. Me and my boys informed

1033
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: their own distribution company called West Coast Record Distributors. We

1034
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: had Braby and Prince bought my boy um Rudy from

1035
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: the dream team JJ FAB. We had that first j

1036
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: J Fab was on the flip side of another song.

1037
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: Thing was called another whole Boty Dust or something like that.

1038
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: It blew up at West Coast. Arabian was going to

1039
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: funk with draym over at uh at Ruthless so he

1040
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: could have deal. Ruthless could a deal with Rudy to

1041
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: buy the single so dra can make the album. And

1042
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: that's why and that's how Rufus got paid off the

1043
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: jj FAD album. That's why j J Fad was kind

1044
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: of pissed. It wasn't walking to death row. These dudes

1045
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: just cutting demos in your at your house what they

1046
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: demos in my house. But again when Jerry came in, uh,

1047
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I didn't. I didn't feel it per se.

1048
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: It was cool, but at the time when the demo

1049
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: that you heard was cussing and ship easy. He came

1050
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: to me, I took him to Greg Matt, Greg, I

1051
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: can't play this man is cussing in it. I can't

1052
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: play this. So being Greg, it was Alonso had the

1053
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: club Dodos and skate Land. Alonso had a relationship with

1054
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: Greg mat with k D. I could go to k

1055
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: drop off a cassette and before I got on the

1056
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: ten for one one one ten freeway, it was on

1057
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: the radio. As long as it was it was clean,

1058
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: so easy. Knew I had all these relationships, so he

1059
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: wanted to He want to take advantage of So when

1060
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: Jerry Heller came around, I was just to connect man.

1061
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: It's like it's like anything else. I just connected him.

1062
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: I had no idea, nobody knew that was gonna work

1063
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: with Jerry. Didn't know what was gonna work. Jerry talked

1064
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: that ship in his book like or his documentaries. Oh

1065
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: and I meant easy with like meeting John Lennon. Bullshit,

1066
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't like. I didn't like Jerry Heller

1067
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: and I knew personally that that he was full of

1068
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: ship and he was a scary motherfuck too. I ain't

1069
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: mad at the man deal, but he did. He changed

1070
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: the game. I could not have done that. I being

1071
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: twine years old, I could not be in a new

1072
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: game banging everybody from the content new laws. There ain't

1073
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: no fucking game banger. How come on doing now? But

1074
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: I put you on the on the outside of the game,

1075
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: not on the inside. But then the game banker. The

1076
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: only want that actually was or looked like a game

1077
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: banger was Easy until Jill Ren and all of them

1078
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: started coming with the Jerry curls and the jackets, the

1079
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: batche the guns and all his other ship. Right, so

1080
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: they those. If you're game banging, you know who's the

1081
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: game banger. You can't say Easy didn't look the part.

1082
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: And because he was shortened everybody and even worked even

1083
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: better for it. Okay, it because he because of his height,

1084
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: it makes it looks even better. You got your little

1085
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: cat five five five with all these six ft okay,

1086
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: and he running ship okay, So here I am not

1087
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: how the funk I'm gonna look old ass motherfucker six

1088
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: ft two pounds behind these young niggas. It wouldn't work

1089
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: for he stayed in the background and and head out

1090
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: and you've never seen him. He let Easy to do

1091
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: all the work, and but he got paid to One

1092
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: thing about one thing about this record busness, it's about relationships.

1093
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: I didn't had the relationships they should be bullshit, okay.

1094
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: And had it had a relationship in the priority, you know,

1095
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: if Lionzo had it took them in the beginning of

1096
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: this ship right here, Linzo had enough problems trying to

1097
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: get wrapped played period. Okay, Now I'm gonna take up

1098
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: some niggers group of Nickel's attitude to the majors and

1099
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: with a bunch of cousins and a bunch of other ship.

1100
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: Oh no, man, come on the they' gonna work for me. Now.

1101
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: It worked for him because in the beginning, in the beginning,

1102
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: in the beginning, Jerry always claimed, I worked for ruthless.

1103
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: I worked for Eric. He kept he kept big enough

1104
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: distance so if ship blew up, it wouldn't getting none

1105
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: on him. It was always Eric. It was always easy, okay.

1106
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: And once the ship, you know, once the ship jumped off,

1107
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: he just lit his ass sitting there, looked a lot tighter. Okay,

1108
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: by that time, does you dial? But by that time,

1109
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, it was all it was all the all

1110
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: the cussing. They stopped running over ship and with bulldozers,

1111
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: and to see the Lord's tucker was out of the pitching.

1112
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: And you know, it was a whole different game. Now

1113
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: the ride jumped off. Everything changed. So now everybody loved

1114
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: because they didn't remember remember this in the when the

1115
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: ship jumped off, Niggas wasn't checking for him. In fact,

1116
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: Jerry Heller did become eventually become my manager. He had

1117
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: he was booking me, uh An Easy and nd up

1118
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: Way on the same show he was booking us, which

1119
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: was showed with Iced Tea and just Ice and we're

1120
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: the only nine gangsters on the Motherfucker and Shower. But

1121
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: E V E and n W A was opening up

1122
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: for us Wrecking Crew. I got battle Cat and Richie, Richard, Mona,

1123
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: Lisa doing Wrecking Crew songs dre and Yellow on the

1124
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: sideline looking at us, Dude, looking at them, dude, they

1125
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: fucking part on their song. And the cold part about

1126
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: that they were getting bowled in the beginning, I'm the

1127
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: fucking headline was getting bowled like a motherfucker. They wouldn't

1128
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: check it for that ship man at the part. This

1129
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: is the part of people don't understand. I've been initihip

1130
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: from from day one. I'm a true day one. When

1131
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: they come to this ship right here, when wreck and

1132
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: Crew blew up me and Dred and then blew up, left,

1133
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: broke up, turn off lights hadn't even hadn't even dropped yet.

1134
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: We broke up like no blew up. We dropped it around.

1135
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: Actually I did drop it, but it needn't getting no

1136
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: airplace after the first year because back in the day,

1137
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: from November till January, they did what they call a

1138
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: freeze on the playlist. They didn't playing a new records,

1139
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: come new come come January one, all new records come out,

1140
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: so they thought we were still on Phoebs. So when

1141
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: they heard turn off Lights, they loved that ship. I

1142
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: got the Black National anthem. I ain't got a group.

1143
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: I turned down probably about Honey Grand with the with

1144
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: the gigs, because I don't know how to deal with

1145
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: this ship. Okay, I go from having all these niggers

1146
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: at my house. I got d Barns rolls, I got

1147
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: a tone load coming through. I got Coolio coming through,

1148
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 1: I got Easy coming through, I got pool coming through,

1149
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: all these cats coming through my house on a regular basis.

1150
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,479
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, ain't nobody there and I gotta

1151
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: hit record. So I'm like, Jerry, this me, that's what

1152
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: the reason why me and Jerry stayed cool because Jerry

1153
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: he kind of counsel with my ask, Look, man, you

1154
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: gotta get hit record. You're missing money, You're getting offered

1155
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: ten racks a night, sevent night. How long you're gonna

1156
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: play this? I'm playing prince role. I'm like, oh, I'm hurt.

1157
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm crushed this And then all of a sudden, fifty

1158
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: fifty Si. I missed about six years ship. I miss

1159
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: quite a bit of money. So I hadn't find me

1160
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: a group, so I wouldn't got battle Cat, a nineteen

1161
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: year old battle Cat. I got another cat from Rich

1162
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: named Richie Rich, who UH work with with the l

1163
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: A Dream Team. And I got Mona Lisa who sang

1164
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: but us the first time. And we hit the road

1165
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: along with the Oozy Brothers. Okay, and we hit the

1166
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: road and we're on tour with Iced Tea, just Ice

1167
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: and n w A and n w A is an

1168
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: opening act. Ain't nobody feeling their asses? The ship didn't

1169
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: get live. The record crew came on. So record crew

1170
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: got all the girls at the dressing room at the hotel,

1171
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: and that ain't what dray they They wasn't used to

1172
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: that ship. So the whole tour was really fucked up.

1173
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: It's like going to the prom with your ex girlfriend

1174
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: and her new boyfriend in the same limo. It was

1175
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: fucked up, but we dealt with the ship and then

1176
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: they ship flipped up because we we didn't even talk

1177
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: on the whole fucking tour. Man. We didn't even talk.

1178
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: Me Yell and Drady didn't say shopped each other the

1179
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: whole tour and y'all was cool though we was cool

1180
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: before then, but we didn't hand then to see each

1181
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: other on tour. I hugged with my people, they hung

1182
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: with their people, and it was just that kind of awkwardness. Man.

1183
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: So this is the kind of ship peoplen't understand. We

1184
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: never had the chance. We never even talked about this

1185
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: ship to them. And twenty years ago, I mean to,

1186
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean to this year. So you still talk to

1187
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 1: Dre right now today? No, I haven't talked to him lately.

1188
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: We have had a conversation me and Cube and communicate.

1189
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: Me and Cube never had an issue because Cube ship

1190
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: he left after the first fucking album and um when

1191
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: he went to Priority, Brian Turner called me up hey,

1192
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: because I just did a Cube twelve inch c I

1193
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: a he called me up to buy them. Motherfucker. He

1194
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: didn't want to, you know, before the internet, and I

1195
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: don't want to shoot out. Give me a number. I

1196
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: gave him a number, He gave me a check and

1197
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: we was cool. I think cool. Uh. I was the

1198
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: only one that had his his own mind and it

1199
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: would jump if if he ever had to um. He

1200
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: didn't look like it, but you could tell that that

1201
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: he was somewhat front line. I believe you know, he

1202
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: was cool. And again, man, you got to understand, they

1203
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: was never tested around me. Okay, they would never test.

1204
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: They were all kids. Okay, I was frontline, unknown DJ

1205
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: was frontline. You know I had I had another front line.

1206
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: These casts were still in you know, in little league.

1207
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: Far as I was concerned they that they was never

1208
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: around when we we had issues. Yellow came to a

1209
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: couple of problems we had. We would you know back

1210
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: to the day we went your ass for testing our

1211
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: posters down. We had an all little form of gang banging.

1212
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,919
Speaker 1: You know you stressed up posting you flicking the ass

1213
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: with him. Okay. Record crew was known for putting them,

1214
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: putting them, putting the assle on the promoter's asked by

1215
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: our posters. But we didn't gang bang against gangbangers. We

1216
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: gang against promoters. Okay, and Drey we never we only

1217
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:50,959
Speaker 1: I don't recall them ever being around that. I ain't

1218
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: saying he wouldn't do nothing. We never had to go

1219
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: there to find out. Put it that way. When I

1220
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: Skip was around you, was that during the CIA days

1221
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: with Sir Jinks. Yeah, yeah, they I when I got

1222
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: I got picked We got picked up with CBS. They

1223
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: actually to have another group. Technically I didn't, but I'm

1224
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: like she had been niggling hum the streets. Yeah, I

1225
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: gotta group holed on? How many five these motherfuckers? They

1226
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: had just took taking place at a rap contest that

1227
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: Katia gave over the world on wheels. And I knew

1228
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: Cuban in my song around the Pad a couple of times.

1229
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: And y'all want to get a record deal? Yeah yeah, yeah,

1230
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: So dre put together this song called She's the Skag

1231
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: in the studio, took it to Larking Arnold. He gave

1232
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: us a single deal. The ship lasted about you know,

1233
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: everybody was signed about the year. We both got dropped

1234
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: the next year. But then when we got dropped, we

1235
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: was all we was all the family by the end.

1236
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: So we went back to the studio. We did an

1237
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: EP and we changed the name from Stereo Crew to

1238
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: c I A. And then we dropped the house calls

1239
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: the EP. So who was on c just them too?

1240
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: It was Jens, Jens, Katie and ice Cube. Yeah, and

1241
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: then it actually put out an album. Now they just

1242
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: put out we just had a three songs EP because

1243
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: UM I was When I was talking with Greg mac

1244
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: he he said that uh, Sir Jenks was always paying

1245
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: a lot of good attention and he seemed like he

1246
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: was really trying to soak up all the games, the

1247
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: music game at that time. What people don't understand is

1248
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: um Jinks was a big part of the Long Beach connection.

1249
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: My boy Kelvin Anderson v I P. Long Beach bought

1250
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: um uh SP twelve Huntred and Jinks ran that thing

1251
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: because he saw Dre doing it. He took the same

1252
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: concept down the Long Beach with the v I P. So, Yeah, Jinks,

1253
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: Um he had skills. Yeah. I think he's kind of underrated,

1254
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: very much under It's a lot of underrated cats. When

1255
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: you've got somebody's biggest dray quick is the underrated cat

1256
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: out of Compton one of my favorite cats. He's but

1257
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: he's underrated, quick, quick, quick, He's underrated. But because everybody

1258
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: under the umbrella love Dre okay, so you know, and

1259
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: to come from that same Warren g same thing. All

1260
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: these cats come from that same um brolla. But you

1261
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: knows what it is. So what is it that makes

1262
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: Dre just so unique? Is it the way he samples

1263
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: old songs, the way he listens to these old vinyls

1264
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: and brings in the life with the modern hip hop

1265
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: flayer to it. Drey has. Drey has a great ear

1266
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: as a DJ, and he when he DJ with me,

1267
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: he had a great ear at the DJ and he

1268
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: learned to not just sample, recreate. So you got to

1269
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: understand also that a lot of the players that was

1270
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: on Ruthless came from my neighborhood. Standy guitar man, we

1271
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: actually cut this cast line. I was a kid l

1272
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: a Dre Western Peace. He was from the neighborhood. We

1273
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: all from that Cintennio um uh the avalon Offegundo neighborhood.

1274
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: And we had, you know, we had he had. He

1275
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: had the ability to get with players, but most cats didn't.

1276
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: Everything he couldn't do he has somebody that can do it.

1277
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, Drey wasn't a um. Dre wasn't. They had

1278
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: a group called the Torture Chamber. You know, l Adre

1279
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: had a group called Torture Chamber. He worked with Ice Cube,

1280
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: but some other folks on. But he also l Adre

1281
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: was a musician, so he knew other musicians. So when

1282
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: it came time to put things together, he knew what

1283
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: he knew. The phone calls to make and we want

1284
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: to reproduce this Leon, this Leon Haywood song. Okay, let

1285
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: me hear there. It is Luke that ship. Now you

1286
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: got a song. Andre had to h He worked with

1287
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: Donovan uh the engineer. Plus he we was doing wrecking

1288
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: crew stuff. He learned how to cut stuff, uh get

1289
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: the ship fat to Bernie Grabman. So he had a

1290
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: headstart and everybody else. Plus he was in my studio endlessly, endlessly.

1291
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: He would be in my studio all that sometime wake

1292
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: up to get you. I mean, I'm trying to get

1293
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: this b straight. There's this original studio that you have

1294
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: still exists. Yeah, not that the room does not, not

1295
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: the equipment, but we could walk there and yesterday where

1296
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: all the magic had he was there yesterday. Yeah yeah.

1297
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: Let me ask you if if Easy would have never

1298
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: started rapping, which he was never intended to, which that

1299
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: shows in the movie, you think n w A would

1300
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: have been successful. I have the rep besides Easy, Cute okay,

1301
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: Cuban Wren were the best spiders to me, and ran

1302
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: as an underrated rapper. I thought Random used to spend

1303
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: some of the best bars. But the one thing about Easy,

1304
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: Easy with the character okay, easy with to put he

1305
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: put on them goddamn u straight jackets, and Easy would

1306
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: do all kind of crazy ship and the easy one

1307
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: on the Arsenio Hall Show and putting that goddamn roll

1308
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: with barefoot. Okay, he did that just for the hell

1309
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: of what you're thinking about, man, I mean, I just

1310
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: ask him fun. But I'll send your hall clown his feet.

1311
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: Look at the video. I'll send your hall clown his

1312
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: feaking Easy don't wear. He don't wear heartthrow shoes. So

1313
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: the nickn feed as flat as fun. They almost wear

1314
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: at the bottom. Okay, the like dreds, they don't wear.

1315
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: We're at tennis. She was too long. You lose your

1316
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: fucking arts and your feet gets flat as fucking okay.

1317
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: So when he put them feet up on the damn

1318
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: on the on the on the pedestal, there ar Cenio

1319
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: cloudy and he put them down. Oh man, she didn't

1320
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: have my feet, you know, you know, and all I

1321
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: said said was feature this funny thing. Easy immediately got

1322
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: self conscious because at the first time he pulls something

1323
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,799
Speaker 1: off and he walked out there in the rope. Everybody

1324
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: thought it was cool. But then he got cloud on

1325
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: the feet, you know. Then he got cocky with talk

1326
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: talking about the drede the thing. Do you think that

1327
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: you and Roger will maybe ever collaborate on a project together? Die?

1328
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: Is that brand still around the one of my one

1329
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: of my partners? Uh? Is he's still He finally got

1330
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: the name copyright or either copywritten or he gotta he

1331
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: gotta protected somebody from a fashion Yet so back then

1332
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: they never copyrit the names ain't come on. I think

1333
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: it's just dead ship. Yeah, and you know, um, we

1334
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't We didn't have no domains and

1335
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: nothing like that, so we you know, we wouldn't worry

1336
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: about the Internet, and Internet has been advantage yet, so

1337
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, it just was you just did some ship.

1338
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: You know z cars and you know you just stole

1339
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: some you know, Uncle James Army was stolen from George Clinton's.

1340
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: Yet it's an album, said uncle James, Abby want you

1341
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: they stole that ship? Yeah, you know, it wasn't an album.

1342
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't a group of nothing, so it wasn't a

1343
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: big trip. And then he took it a man with it,

1344
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: and you know, his his disdained for us, you know,

1345
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: drove him to want to be the biggest promoter. I

1346
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: just never wanted to be the biggest promoter. I just

1347
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: want to be a club owner, and that's what I was.

1348
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: I've owned six night clubs in the last patch forty years.

1349
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: Just retired from that game this year and ain't going back.

1350
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: So what are your your plans now? Um? Actually I

1351
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: want to ask you about this, Like the music is

1352
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 1: significantly changed with the Internet and with streaming, and you

1353
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: don't really go buy CDs and cassettes no more. I

1354
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: don't think we buy anything anymore. It's pretty much all free.

1355
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: It's all about touring, merchandizing and creating a persona that

1356
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: the people want to see. Uh, how do you look

1357
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: at how the music changed with the with the advent

1358
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: of the Internet and social media. We know what, man,

1359
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: everything changes, and like I tell people, a lot of

1360
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: these cats would not be superstars if people had to

1361
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: go to the record store and actually buy the ship. Okay, yeah,

1362
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, if you had to go to the record

1363
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: store and buy a lot of this ship right now,

1364
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 1: it never would have got off the ground. But because

1365
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: SoundCloud and the other other various platforms have a way

1366
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: of if you type a little Wayne music, anything that's

1367
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: sound on a little Wayne come right behind it. So

1368
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: you've got guys getting streams and plays they normally wouldn't got.

1369
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: Would wouldn't wouldn't would have gotten if you had to

1370
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: go somebody had to play on the regular radio station.

1371
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, So so with

1372
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: the advent of the internet and social media, Okay, you're

1373
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: actually saying that people have to go buy their records,

1374
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: some of these people want to be started out. Man,

1375
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: it would be that would that be started if you

1376
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: had to go out and go to v I P.

1377
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,560
Speaker 1: Hitting your car and go buy the feet that's the

1378
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: actual physical product, the cassette. Because you know, people don't

1379
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: make albums no more. And most of these casts got

1380
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: singles that blow up on the internet. But again, if

1381
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: you had to go spend your hard earned money on

1382
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: this ship, you probably wouldn't do it. That's pretty one.

1383
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: That's a radical change in the music company because what

1384
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: you're basically saying is that some weak mofos can blow

1385
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: ups have blown up ship. Let's keep it real, man. Yeah,

1386
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: if you don't want to be I don't call me ship.

1387
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: Y'all know, for your stuff, some weak motherfucker to blowed up.

1388
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about this as a as a

1389
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: DJ and someone that will you probably, I'm assuming you

1390
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: had techniques turn. Every time I go to a party

1391
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,440
Speaker 1: an event when there's a DJ, there's no more turntables.

1392
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: It's I don't even know what these things are. They're

1393
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: a little tiny, ye little I don't know if they're CD.

1394
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,879
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is of little tiny spinners.

1395
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 1: And I always check out the DJ and laptops. Yeah, laptops,

1396
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: loptops and a little controller. Yeah, I mean, it's part

1397
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: of the evolution. It's changing. But I do miss seeing

1398
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: someone dropped that needle on the on the record and

1399
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: then you know, transition to the second record. Most of

1400
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: these gas laptops go out and go down. You gotta

1401
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: call them the DJ quick if you have good you can't.

1402
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: A lot of these niggas turn tables they would know

1403
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: what to do with and they probably try to eat

1404
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: off of them. You know, I never actually figured out,

1405
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: like what what is the DJ doing that with? With

1406
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 1: the laptop and this digital equipment? You know what? Man,

1407
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: as a DJ, you can do a lot. You have

1408
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: a lot more flexibility because you basically can edit the

1409
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: song or edit your edit your uh, your your performance

1410
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: right there live because you got the buttons and quick

1411
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: start buttons and hot the hot hot spot buttons, whatever

1412
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: the case may be. And that allows you to get

1413
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: those little bu the stet of steps and sometimes some

1414
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: of the other stuff, and you can loop a lot easier.

1415
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's you unless you be more creative. The

1416
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: creativity it's a different kind of creativity. It's it's a

1417
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: digital creativity. Whereas you got cats like Joe Cooley Egyptian

1418
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: Lover that you know, backs being record, welcome backwards the

1419
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: whole nine yards. They you ever see a real cat

1420
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: go down like battle Cat, battle Cat can get out

1421
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 1: on both of them turntables and um a platform, a

1422
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: digital platform, I mean you got these guys mixed with

1423
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: the elbows. You've got guys like Bob Cat, one of

1424
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: the cats. I've got this guy's name, damn it out

1425
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: of Compton Man, one of the baddest boys ever, one

1426
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: of the first casts out of Compton to win the

1427
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: the DJ Award Show. I didn't uh New York. Damn.

1428
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: I can't think of his name. Um anyway, he elbows,

1429
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: chins everything. So that was the platform that I grew

1430
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: up on. That's those are the guys I learned to

1431
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: respect digital platforms. That's cool, don't get me wrong, but

1432
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, it's different. You know you mentioned

1433
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: makola earlier. I always wondered why mccola didn't become like

1434
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: an actual record company because they had all this talent

1435
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: here in l A. Which I guess they were just

1436
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: the presser's right, they just pressed vinyl. Mccola was a

1437
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: pressing plant. He used to be uh work there was

1438
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: it should be a pressing planted called Cadet Records or

1439
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: on slaws in the Normandy about that far from swapped meat.

1440
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: They had a big plant there. Mcdim McMillan was the

1441
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: uh he was deforming there when they shut that down.

1442
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: Was when seventy eights died, they shut that down. He

1443
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: turned it to a to a twelve inch company on

1444
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: Santa Monica and he was just pressing records because he

1445
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: knew how to press records right. His cat named Duffy Hooks,

1446
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: which is he's passed on the Also Duffy new distribution

1447
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: independent distribution. Independent distribution is different from major distribution. Back

1448
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 1: in the day, they had people all over the country

1449
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: that specialized in independent artists. It's like they had independent

1450
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: radio stations. So you had independent radio stations that would

1451
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,919
Speaker 1: play independent artists. So the independent distributors in the independent

1452
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: labels had their own little underground that they can make

1453
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: records because nikel sell records. Because the big boys like

1454
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,759
Speaker 1: the care Earth and the Kids their films, they wouldn't

1455
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: messing with independents. They only mess with the majors. So

1456
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: Duffy understood that platform Don. He convinced Don started doing

1457
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 1: distribution and it was it was like a cash and

1458
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: carry situation. And then hip hop came right behind that, okay,

1459
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: And when hip hop came took mclan to the next level.

1460
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: But Don was a thief. He didn't see pass. You know,

1461
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: some people only, some people only have short term vision.

1462
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: He'd rather eat the seed than let the seed turned

1463
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: into a fruit and eat the whole harvest. Let me. Actually,

1464
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: this could could have McCulla been turned into what Death

1465
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: Row became if they had a different business model of

1466
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: thinking about growing artists, managing artists and on that level. Yeah,

1467
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: but Don wasn't a got to run it though. You know,

1468
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: Don had some other partners coming at one time, and

1469
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: they were some record guys, but they were some different

1470
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: kind of cats. And he ever seen uh what you

1471
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: call that ship um good good fellows. He had some

1472
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: good fellows type cats coming there, and they ran his

1473
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: bill up and broke his ship down and put his

1474
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: ass into bankruptcy on me about four hundred thousand dollars

1475
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: at the potential. But he, you know, he tried to

1476
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, can everybody start Once they realized he was stealing,

1477
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: everybody started leaving l A Dream team went to UH

1478
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: went to some went to Universal Record Crew went to

1479
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: UH Sony. We were the first one to leave. He

1480
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: had time Max Social Club, Egypt left, dred M left,

1481
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: and everybody started leaving. And then he called in some

1482
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: help with some more money, got himself into too much debt,

1483
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: and then they just liquidated the ship. By that time,

1484
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: me and my fellows l a dream team Egyptian Lover,

1485
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: Unknown DJ and myself we formed the own distribution company

1486
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: called West Coast Record Distributors, and we started doing our

1487
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: own thing and UH we we We were popping for

1488
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: about a year, maybe eighteen months, and uh grossed over

1489
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 1: a million dollars the first year, and Nigga's Egos took

1490
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 1: over and that ship defunct. Also, egos and money don't

1491
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: never mix. Damn Death Row is probably a great example

1492
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,560
Speaker 1: of that example. You know. Yeah, that was I was

1493
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 1: telling uh Norman yesterday. That was one of the situations

1494
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: if somebody had to pull six chain and let nigger

1495
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: you want sit down, be cool. You win in okay,

1496
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: And if you don't know when you win, you're gonna

1497
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 1: keep playing the same game over and over again, and

1498
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: you gonna end up running yourself into a whole. That

1499
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: was one of my biggest regrets, not not like really

1500
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: pulling him to the side and getting that right. I

1501
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: got any but I didn't check this out. You're doing this.

1502
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: But Sugar had his own mind, and if sug shut down.

1503
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: He knew he missed something right he was he was

1504
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 1: just just a worker, horlid, and he mixed that with

1505
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: with his pleasure and everything else all that want. So

1506
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: she was really a tired cat because it was every

1507
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: day if he went to sleep. Just say, for instance,

1508
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 1: she got on the plane, that's where he slept. When

1509
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: you hear that the wh was here the ground, she

1510
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: was upstanding up, ready to get out of there to

1511
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: do what he had to do. So mixing business with

1512
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: pleasure because when he first started, my whole thing that

1513
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: should was you don't need to be taking pictures. You

1514
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 1: don't need to be over here doing this. And you know,

1515
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,759
Speaker 1: I mean, we was getting everything like going to Ruthless Records,

1516
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: getting the Jerry didn't those contracts for Dre and Mr La.

1517
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: You don't have to go, you know what I'm saying.

1518
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: But he had to go because he had he knew

1519
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: how to talk to you. And when he went in

1520
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: there with Jerry close though, y'all do y'all thing. You

1521
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, she will came out of there

1522
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: with what he wants. But after he got what he wants,

1523
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 1: she was was totally different. So she had different mentality

1524
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 1: totally and and even on a relaxed time, just ting

1525
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: it should had to be this dude, you know what

1526
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying, He couldn't stop moving and and and his

1527
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: downfall was was drugs and drinking. He didn't do none

1528
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: of that ship at the beginning. So when he introduced

1529
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: that ship to his daily routine, it's over. You know

1530
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Man with the homies, you know what

1531
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. None of the homies can do what you do.

1532
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: What you're doing. You know what I'm saying, you should

1533
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: they do exactly, And a lot of people get get

1534
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: that wrong misconception of it. You know, when I say

1535
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: Tupac was not a game banger, shouldn't have been looked

1536
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: at as a game banging. He's an artist with his

1537
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: money and him working, none of us gonna get paid.

1538
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: You gotta protect that cat. That's when you protect. So

1539
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: I see where you at. And and you know, but

1540
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: I think, man, i'd have had a contract with draining

1541
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: them or something contracts with them, but they was you know,

1542
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: they was expired. I mean, it's it's real hard to

1543
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to explain it, especially retroactive. It's like somebody said, man,

1544
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: how could you sell that stamp that stand for worth

1545
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: ten million dollars? Let's stand with birthday? Nine said, when

1546
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: I bought the motherfucker was only worth today nine cent.

1547
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: I bought the motherfucker from from the boast office. I

1548
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: licked at something to put on the goddamn letter nine

1549
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: ain't worth ship. But you know somebody had dollar's worth

1550
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars. Okay, you don't know that. Okay, I

1551
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: mean how many acts had come through My Dre hadn't

1552
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: developed this year. We hadn't had no big hits yet.

1553
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: When Drey left, the only the best thing, best thing

1554
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: Dre left me was turned off the lights turned off

1555
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: lights had even hits yet, and we broke up. They

1556
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to do turn off lights. Record Crew was

1557
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: such a uh groundbreaking group. Man in n w A

1558
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: was right behind them. We did the When Record Crew

1559
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: first came out, we didn't perform with other acts. There

1560
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 1: was no other action perform with on the on the

1561
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: West coast. We didn't see no real acts and um

1562
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: no other actions until maybe a year after we started

1563
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: doing that thing. Then we started performing with cats like

1564
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: Rapping Duke l A dream team in Egyptian lover, but

1565
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: that was all local. We were go on tour. We

1566
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: was touring with the Barcades Mary Jane girls more than

1567
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: the time, so we didn't have the option of wearing

1568
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 1: jeans and sweatshirts and tennis shoes and ship. We had

1569
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: to look like the cats we were playing with. And

1570
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: then the ship shifted from the east because the first

1571
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: the East was Mellie mil and Curtis Blow and Mulicole

1572
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: Modico Modi was leather every day run uh uh. Curtis

1573
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: Blow always wore something fly okay, and Mellie Mill and

1574
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: uh previous five the niggas was wearing feathers. Okay, I

1575
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: ain't wearing no motherfucking feathers. Okay. Then Marcus looking like Indians.

1576
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: Fuck that that louds am ain't doing that ship. So

1577
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: we had our all little West Coast flavor. That's why

1578
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: we came up with the sequence and the Jerry curls.

1579
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: And because it was the eighties, nigger was a little

1580
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: outline and I ain't I ain't nigga, I ain't in

1581
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: the shame none of that ship. Okay. That was the

1582
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: motherfucking eight these okay, do print. We were sucking with

1583
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: Martha at the time. Okay, we uh bark. Then when

1584
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: when Nigga's barks, what diaper man ship? Okay, we fresh

1585
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: at the George Clinton. The niggers had had yarn and

1586
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: they harried ship. So we're in a different era, okay,

1587
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:23,719
Speaker 1: and it's real hard. Gangsters wasn't even around in Okay,

1588
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: even the gang bankers I knew, was the cleanest things

1589
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: in the set. To be a gangster back in the day,

1590
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: nigger had to be he had to be stacy down

1591
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: iron iron. It was like being in the military. Okay,

1592
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: the gangsters was the cleanest niggers around. Tell me if

1593
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm right wrong. Before when Crack came in and the

1594
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 1: gangster started to make some money to the impact what

1595
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: you was doing, hell yeah, it fucked everything up. Okay

1596
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:58,839
Speaker 1: because now understand how crack not only fucked up my business,

1597
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 1: but it fucked up the hood because you got mama's

1598
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: back up. My mama was one of the most respected

1599
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 1: people in my hood. When I was about fifteen, I

1600
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: walked past the boys in the hood, Mr Fellas, they're

1601
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: smoking cigarette not weed. Cigarettes. I got. I lived on

1602
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 1: the hill, walked down the hill, saw the nigga smoking cigarettes,

1603
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: kicking with him, go home. I smell like cigarettes, smoke.

1604
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 1: My mama walked me and my cigarette smoking the ass

1605
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: backing up the hill and told all of them, nigga,

1606
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: I mean you didn't come to look. Damn, my boy

1607
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: can't become on my smelling like cigarettes. Blah blah blah blah. Yes,

1608
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: Smith Williams, Yes, Smith Williams, Yes, MTh Williams. We went

1609
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 1: home and every time when nigga saw me, if they

1610
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: were smoking cigarettes, nigga across the street. I want to

1611
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 1: hear mama's mouth in the eighties, in the eighties, them saying,

1612
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 1: niggas at your house, kicking them with your mama. Your

1613
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: mama is cooking crack for these same niggas. Your mama

1614
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: might be sucking dick for crack. How are you gonna

1615
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 1: keep respect for your mama's like you see, the ship changed, man.

1616
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: So if your mama, if you come home and your

1617
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: mama is geting in with the homies, your MoMA getting

1618
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: smashed by one of the homies, you got a different

1619
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: attitude about your mom. Okay, And all that ship is

1620
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: is a byproduct of the crack era. Dot you know.

1621
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 1: So you got then you got the grown men in

1622
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: the hood who you know is doing ship for crack.

1623
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: How young nigg gonna respect the old nigga if you know,

1624
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 1: if I know you're out there, you're sucker. Niggas dick

1625
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: for crack. Okay, these are the kind of ship they cracked,

1626
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: funked up. So you got your young kids, got to

1627
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: become responsible because the parents is on crack and you

1628
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: know all that, all that that that that devastation man

1629
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 1: would come from the eighties. And then cats had to

1630
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: piece up together because now we always had crack. We've

1631
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 1: always had dope and gangs in the black community. The

1632
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 1: gangs initially was fighting the white boys spook hunters ship

1633
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: like that out of Lyndwood, And it wasn't until the

1634
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: seventies and they started fighting each other. But when the

1635
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: crack came around, nigga's gotta be to kill each other.

1636
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: It's a whole different thing. You put money in that scenario,

1637
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: you got you got niggas like I think I'm getting

1638
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: ten thousand a week. You're gonna come taking you You're

1639
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 1: gonna die, Okay. So then you got shortly after that,

1640
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 1: you got here, you got some theme music like nothing

1641
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: nothing like nothing else. Okay, you got n W A

1642
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: and various other groups given Crack Dealer's theme music when

1643
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: when I was coming, when I was coming up, the

1644
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: Black Man, the Black Revolutionaries had the theme music, Okay,

1645
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,640
Speaker 1: the Panthers had the theme music with flyod Stone and

1646
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: Curtis Mayfield. People getting ready to change is coming. Keep

1647
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: your head up like that. That's what I was raised on.

1648
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: So it's hard for me to go from you know,

1649
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 1: keep your head up to fucking you know, uh, whatever

1650
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 1: the case may be. It's a different mindset. That's just

1651
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: a change with time. But like you were saying, when

1652
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: the crack came, being in the hood was totally different.

1653
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: Catch you grew up with from day one, you know,

1654
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: you disrespecting them. You know, you go to first we

1655
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: all hang at one house. Now I got to crank niggas.

1656
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: Can't come through it anymore because I'm on something else.

1657
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: Then you got the homie, got the daddy out there,

1658
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: pops out there doing this thing. So the kids left

1659
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: at home, you know what I'm saying, So they we

1660
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: we could do whatever, well we want to do, you

1661
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it definitely tore us down

1662
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 1: it took the respect that that that we have for

1663
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 1: each other, because if you make it more to me,

1664
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 1: you might you thinking totally different from me. I'm gonna

1665
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: set you up so you don't have this. I'm jealous

1666
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: now you know what I'm saying. And now you're getting

1667
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:39,560
Speaker 1: all the pretty chicks. Now you got this car. Oh no,

1668
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: this ain't gonna happen. Right My status is is stronger

1669
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: than his. I've been in the hood, loaner than this

1670
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: cat while you got this like that, that's what it

1671
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: rung to the neighborhood. So it just to everything. And

1672
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: then you hear about its being found at dumpsters and

1673
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: trunks of cars, and said, may come on, dude, I

1674
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: mean that this is the kind of ship that I'm like.

1675
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: Nd you know, you hear about your boy. That was

1676
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 1: a ship right here about your boy who so so

1677
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: if I'm just asking the trunk, they get three three

1678
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: in their head. No ship. They wasn't doing DJs like that.

1679
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: They wouldn't do a club owners like that, you know.

1680
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 1: So for me that was like, okay, I ain't funking

1681
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: with this right here. There was that club owner that

1682
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,560
Speaker 1: got killed the Balling Hills a few years and that

1683
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: was a boy boy from from Dynasty. Yeah, and his

1684
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: name was Alone though too. Somebody just pulled up on

1685
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: it in front of his house. His stepson. Man, it's

1686
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 1: motherfucker's step son. That's what the cameras trying to step

1687
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: son steps step So that's that's that's what the rumor was.

1688
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: The stepson. Uh, because he was a cool dude pimp type,

1689
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah. But you know the stepson

1690
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: wanted something the morning he could give it and you

1691
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: know when they could take to take T three right here.

1692
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: You probably cover this in your book, not without Alonso

1693
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 1: for those who want to get his books. But the

1694
01:27:55,320 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: Wrecking Crew tree of music has so many people coming

1695
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 1: out of it for at least ten years or more,

1696
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: um because I would say death Throw was part of

1697
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 1: that branch brand. Just break it down for all those

1698
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 1: people who may not know what what did the Wrecking

1699
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:17,560
Speaker 1: Crew spawn musically record record Cruise spawn n W A

1700
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 1: ice cube ship fifty cent eminem Kendrick Lamar Uh the

1701
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: seed you're gonna lamar? You got Kendrick from Compton, You

1702
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: got DJ Quick from Compton. DJ Quick would tell you, man,

1703
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: I would I used to watch Lions even I mean

1704
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: a dudos and I was fourteen years old. Okay, uh

1705
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 1: Kendrick Damar, he worked with Dre Okay, so that Dre

1706
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: Kendrick DeMar watching Dre in Tupac on the swap meat

1707
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 1: doing uh doing with California love. You know that was

1708
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: the influence. So then you got uh jj fag you

1709
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: know that. That's another situation. Afroman with one of my

1710
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: boy I got. I found a video of Afro recently

1711
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: when he was when the a for a wig and

1712
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 1: one of my one of my showcases. So Afromn another

1713
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: brother who who at school back in the day, still

1714
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: doing great. He was doing this thing before we was

1715
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: even legal, and when he such a big publishing deal

1716
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: that naked straight. You know he's straight. He's still hustling himself.

1717
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: I told him talked about to stay independent. He stayed independent.

1718
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: He still get his money. He's still doing great. Okay,

1719
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 1: um DJ pool d DJ, I say quick, um. I

1720
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of men with in my book.

1721
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: There's a there's a chart and I missed a couple

1722
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: of guys. I got cutted. Think it went out to me. Okay,

1723
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: battle Cat, battle Cat came to me when he was

1724
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: seventeen years old. He replaced Dred when Drey left go

1725
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: on the wrecking crew. So anything battle Cat came came

1726
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: the Battlecat to put to put his hands on. It

1727
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: is a direct descendant, you know. It's it's a it's

1728
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 1: like any other down line of a family tree, you know.

1729
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:59,719
Speaker 1: Between my group, my company, Crew Cut Records, my Club

1730
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 1: After Dark, and me personally. All these things have spawned

1731
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: from uh what I did, what I did, or what

1732
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 1: either what I did or what I owned. The Barnes

1733
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: from Pump It Up was at my house when they

1734
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 1: called her and told hey, come, you know you got

1735
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: the job. She had a group. My roommate uh at

1736
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 1: the time was Rose Hutchinson. They had a group called

1737
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 1: Body and Soul. They on Delicious Vinyl. On Delicious Vinyl.

1738
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 1: I remember when they were kind of popping during the

1739
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 1: um that that was one of the craziest ship And

1740
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: I saw what happened to them. Man, Uh, do you

1741
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: know the Delicious Vinyl story? No, but I know the road.

1742
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: I know the Body and Soul story. And I saw

1743
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: what happened to them because they came out they was

1744
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 1: trying to uh package them at the West Coast Salt

1745
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: and Pepper. They had the geometric haircut and the short

1746
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: dresses in the whole nine yards. Well, the girls Gold

1747
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: and Me were queen the Tifa up in New York.

1748
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: And then they changed their whole vide become back when

1749
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: the Kentee cloth and ship and they've already done the

1750
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: album and when they did their video and that uh

1751
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: more powers the caldin't take cloth stuff. You never heard

1752
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: from him again. That's let's me know, and let me

1753
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: know there back then the Directord companies ain't ship that.

1754
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 1: All they want to sell the sex. Okay, this is

1755
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 1: they're both were good looking girls, okay, and when they

1756
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 1: want to do something that was gonna be positive made

1757
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: with that you couldn't back in the days, you couldn't

1758
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 1: be fat. You couldn't have a chin if you ain't sexy.

1759
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: And and and now they they they groom you for it.

1760
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,719
Speaker 1: But now you see fat women, you know, you know Lizzo,

1761
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 1: Liz Lizzo, she she did for big girls with Biggie,

1762
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: different big dudes when Biggie came out back in the day,

1763
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:44,560
Speaker 1: you know Biggie, because everybody at that time was what

1764
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: it was big, It was big Marquis or the fat boys. Okay.

1765
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 1: He was one of the first cats from that era

1766
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: that was being taken serious. That was a big dude, okay.

1767
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: He you know, he was the Bostilono hats and and

1768
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 1: the suits and the Gucci ship and big, big, big,

1769
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:06,679
Speaker 1: big g he he became the poster child for big dudes.

1770
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 1: And I remember that. I remember laughing about this because

1771
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Nigga's coming to the club. I had

1772
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: a club, uh currently Fair in Inglewood and niggers come

1773
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: into just like Biggie Smalls. Okay. But Lizzo was doing

1774
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: the same thing for big girls, big girls. You know,

1775
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 1: big girls always they always had people that love big girls.

1776
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 1: But she's putting them out front. She's like the spokesperson.

1777
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 1: Now you know it's working for now. What's so incredible

1778
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: about the branch of wreck and Crew in the chart

1779
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 1: that you have in your in your book, James, is

1780
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 1: the value that they've created during this period, and it's

1781
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 1: got to be in the billions billions it's got. It's

1782
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: definitely over a billion billions, probably over to probably pushing

1783
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:51,600
Speaker 1: three billions. And what came out all starting from the

1784
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: Wrecking Crew and that crazy I'm not eaggerating that billions. Culturally,

1785
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 1: you're worth billions culturally. I tried to spend that ship.

1786
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 1: Literally that my check boun but I tried to spend

1787
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 1: my cumft about you. Oh yeah, but yeah culturally for

1788
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 1: what you contributed to the West Coast scene, it's worth um,

1789
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, maybe one day I'm a I'm a quantifyed this,

1790
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: like what you're thinking about. If trades were eight hundred

1791
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 1: fifty millions by itself, everybody was what was death row

1792
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 1: at the type worth James, If you're several hundred millions,

1793
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 1: there we go. That's one point. We hadn't even talked

1794
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: about a bunch of other people and all that. I

1795
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: don't know if Yellow knew got it like that, but

1796
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 1: just whatever Yellow Man in the porn industry. That's another

1797
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 1: branch of the crew, right, that's true. Well, it's definitely history.

1798
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 1: I mean you're still at the house where they was

1799
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: all there, and I mean that's just like having Motown

1800
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: pretty much. Man. That's like motown, man. You can go

1801
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: back and revisit where it all started, like like the

1802
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: tempt you know all of them, you see how they

1803
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: do it. All these guys was created or did something

1804
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: at your house in the basement in the garage. Just

1805
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 1: wish I was there and I was able to do

1806
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 1: what was crazy though, Man, my neighbor he did. He

1807
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: did the next door to us, to me all this time,

1808
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: he never knew nothing about this ship. He went to

1809
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: college for a while, he said, he soa Australia content.

1810
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: He said, Man, you guys are doing this at the house.

1811
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:28,600
Speaker 1: Try the only person knew about what we did with

1812
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 1: my neighbor across the street. He always call the cops

1813
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: on us, because at that time, that's when Catherine just

1814
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,600
Speaker 1: came out with the banking systems, and they had the

1815
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: big wolfers and ship, and they would always go out

1816
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: in front of the house and pop them, got them

1817
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 1: canssetts in there and turn the ship up. And she

1818
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,600
Speaker 1: called the cops on us every fucking time. So there

1819
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: must have been a lot of traffics coming in and

1820
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: out with the neighbors. One like why it was like

1821
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: which I had one nosey ass neighbor, and she always

1822
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 1: would call the cops on us. He run in the studio.

1823
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 1: He got them I think he failed, dope. He got

1824
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 1: them boys over there. He got a jaguar in the

1825
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 1: cop one day, no ship the cop. I was sitting

1826
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 1: in my living room, one of my boys, one of

1827
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 1: my clown nests, buddies. Hey, man, police want to speak

1828
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 1: to you. Man. Fuck you, Lazo, the cops want to

1829
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: speak to you. Man. Quit funking with me. And I

1830
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 1: walked up east man, Lazo, the police want to speak

1831
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 1: to you. And I got nigger. The police ain't out

1832
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 1: there and show enough the cops. Hey, can I speak

1833
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,759
Speaker 1: to you for a minute? And I knew the law already.

1834
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 1: The law is loans of the private studio. Ain't no problem?

1835
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:29,799
Speaker 1: Heard you in the studio? Yeah, I sa, I'm a songwriter.

1836
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: I got a couple of hits. I gave him one

1837
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: of my albums. Oh, and I got guys come protend

1838
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 1: their songwriters too, Okay, no problems. I bought my house

1839
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 1: from Johnny Otis the Blue Singer. If you ever seen

1840
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: Um Cadillac Records. At the end of the movie when

1841
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: the homeboy died at the James crying right, he bought

1842
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 1: me a house. He loved me. Or the house is

1843
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: on the corner where I lived at James Lives in

1844
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: that neighborhood she lived. She looked the neighbor. She had

1845
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 1: one trim melted the house and I their own and

1846
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: the James was a friend of mine. So it's amazing. Man.

1847
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 1: People don't understand how intricate my ship is. Okay, and

1848
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 1: and I tell people this year, I tell you it's

1849
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 1: just historical tidbits. But Edie James was a personal friend

1850
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 1: of mine. But she also played the jeff Dy's actually

1851
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: had hell of the parties at her house back in

1852
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 1: the day. I would invite my daddy, should go, my dad,

1853
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 1: because like the motherfucker, I didn't go back then. But yeah,

1854
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 1: she has she had a nice pool kid, right, Yeah,

1855
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, there was all the same neighborhood because at

1856
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 1: my house, Johnny Oldis old my house and he goes

1857
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 1: some blues history. You might see little esther um Johnny Oldess.

1858
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 1: Johnny Oldis was a Greek guy that passed for white

1859
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 1: or he passed for Creole, but he actually was a

1860
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 1: Greek and he had a label um. I forgot what

1861
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 1: it was called, but I still get notices for checks

1862
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: that artists that Johnny lived in the house and then

1863
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 1: the police killed you, love not too far from where

1864
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 1: you lived at that time. That was I live on

1865
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: I live on Hunt twenties. She lived, I think that

1866
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 1: was on ninety second. Wasn't far at all. It was

1867
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 1: a damn the same same police department that's for the hunting.

1868
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: They all right, Well leave us with some final thoughts

1869
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 1: before we wrap up this episode of The Gang to Chronicles.

1870
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 1: Oh man, you know what, um, I always got to

1871
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: promote by my projects, my nonprofit and Lyrical Revolution. Um.

1872
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 1: I work with a lot of cats, um, just getting

1873
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 1: out of jail, and they got skills. In fact, I

1874
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: was doing one of my sessions for I came out

1875
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 1: here and you know, one of my things always I've

1876
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 1: always been a cat, just like educating the folks. And

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Speaker 1: I found a nonprofit called Lyrical Revolution Revolution Look Revolution

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Speaker 1: dot org. I work with out of guys, constressed, fresh

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Speaker 1: out of jail, who want to who got something to

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Speaker 1: say for? You got something to say? I help you

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Speaker 1: say it? Okay? I got my got my own podcast

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. Uh n w A Stories with a Lionzo Williams. Uh,

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Speaker 1: please subscribe and check it out? Um what else? Uh huh,

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Speaker 1: I'm just YouTube n w A Story but Alonzo, that's

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Speaker 1: the channel. The name of the channel, n w A

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Speaker 1: Stories with a Lionzo on YouTube and my website on

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Speaker 1: my Instagram is a real live n w A. If

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Speaker 1: you want to email me same thing, n w THROW

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Speaker 1: Real Alonso n w A at gmail. And uh, I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm doing my own documentary. I've been doing that

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Speaker 1: for the last past two years and we're just starting

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Speaker 1: to edit that right now. So that's also gonna be

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Speaker 1: called in w A, not without Alonzo. So all right, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for coming down and chopping

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Speaker 1: it up with James and myself for another episode of

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Speaker 1: The Gangster Chronicles. Really appreciate you coming through. And you

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Speaker 1: can find James on Facebook at James McDonald the one

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Speaker 1: with the red Harley as his icon, and you can

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Speaker 1: also hit James McDonald up at B I G G

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Speaker 1: J thirty six thirty six. He still has those shirts,

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Speaker 1: so hit him up and get those death Row shirts

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Speaker 1: at nine zero nine eight hundred zero four. And you

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Speaker 1: can find me at Street TV or Street Gangs dot com.

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Speaker 1: Just click on the contact link and send me your

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Speaker 1: questions or comments. And I'm also on all social media

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Speaker 1: platforms at Alex Alonso one zero one, and don't forget

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Speaker 1: to check out Alonzo Williams at Lyrical Revolution dot org.

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Speaker 1: He's also got a YouTube channel called n w A

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Speaker 1: Stories with Alonso, and you can also find him on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at Rio Alonso, n w A and We Are Out.

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