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Speaker 1: Welcome to this special edition of The Drive. I am

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Speaker 1: Dale Lowie. He is Matt Williams, and I hope everybody

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Speaker 1: enjoyed their weekend off. I know the Steelers did. They

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Speaker 1: actually had a little uh day yesterday, Matt, where they

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Speaker 1: went out and did some fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: Oh did that? I missed all that. But did they

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Speaker 2: do a David Buster's run or something.

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Speaker 1: I was they went somewhere there. I saw some guys

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Speaker 1: doing some different stuff. I'm not quite sure where they went,

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Speaker 1: but it was something like that's yea. I saw people

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Speaker 1: complaining about it on on social media, like they didn't

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Speaker 1: even skip a day practice yesterday day they weren't scheduled

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Speaker 1: to practice.

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Speaker 2: And say often they'll like show up here and be like, oh, surprise,

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Speaker 2: we're not practicing today. We're gonna go to David Busters

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Speaker 2: or bowling or whatever. I guess I could understand a

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Speaker 2: fan semi complaining about that, but you also have no

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Speaker 2: clue what you're talking about in terms of what you're missing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the team bonding might be more important than

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Speaker 2: what they do on the field.

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Speaker 1: Team building exercise eighty nine, like you said in the

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Speaker 1: Flight of the Concord.

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Speaker 2: But I mean yesterday. You have a complaint with a

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Speaker 2: bunch of them going doing some a day off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, come on off from a non mandatory event.

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Speaker 2: Right right right right in June.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lalli. We

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Speaker 1: are live from the upmc ronny Sports Complex where the

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Speaker 1: Steelers are currently taking part in OTA number seven. That

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Speaker 1: means a week from today they will start their mandatory

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Speaker 1: mini camp right right right here. So we're getting we're

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Speaker 1: getting down to the nitty gritty here, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I'll be honest, I mean, I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's third week of OTAs I'm kind of walking in

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Speaker 2: thinking wonderful energy. You'll be a little down, you know,

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Speaker 2: And man, it's not. I mean there's more people here

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Speaker 2: that I think than any.

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Speaker 1: Days an alumni day.

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Speaker 2: There's an alumni day, you know. Pit folks are around

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Speaker 2: as usual. They've been in attendance quite a bit, just

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Speaker 2: viewing things, lots of media, I mean, a lot of

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Speaker 2: familiar faces. So energy is really high here, very much so.

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Speaker 1: And uh yeah, getting a lot of work done and

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Speaker 1: again laying the foundation for those training camp practices that

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Speaker 1: you know you don't get you have the energy of

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Speaker 1: training camp.

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Speaker 2: Right right, right, well till you don't until you don't

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Speaker 2: right right, yeah, hotil it gets to be like the

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Speaker 2: dog days of camp, like that second week that you're

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Speaker 2: out there.

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Speaker 1: The first week, everybody's everyone's a wound up. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then the second week everybody, you know, media, the players, everybody,

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Speaker 1: we just want to go hit somebody else.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. I mean a lot of these teams, I

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Speaker 2: guess less than used to. You know, you fly in

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Speaker 2: another team just so you can beat up on somebody,

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Speaker 2: or you know, you get to play in the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame game, which is always the biggest letdown in

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Speaker 2: the history of the world. But yeah, it's you know,

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Speaker 2: it gets a little old o line d line drills

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Speaker 2: against your buddies. You know, it's like, let's go hit somebody.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the things about these sessions that make

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Speaker 1: it interesting. There's no contact, you know, the blocking and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. It doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: No, these are more like scout team types.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, these are more like regular season practices, whereas training

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Speaker 1: camp you ramp it up even a little bit more. Oh,

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Speaker 1: because you do have the pads on and Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: does a great job of managing live reps and things

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Speaker 1: of that nature that you know, the Steelers have a

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Speaker 1: lot of new guys this year, and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be interested to see how many of them when they

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Speaker 1: get to that first training camp practice and they go

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Speaker 1: live tackling, Like, how many of these guys are going

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Speaker 1: to go oh my yeah, right, I've never seen that before.

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Speaker 2: It's a little steeper than it is in other places

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Speaker 1: Because I've talked to some guys about that over the years,

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Speaker 2: I mean, just to pull back the curtain and then

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Speaker 2: this is not you know, breaking rules of what's going on.

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Speaker 2: But you'll see offensive dudes with like beanies on pretending

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Speaker 2: a lot different, of course, But yeah, you're right. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I do think Steeler camp as usual will be a

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Speaker 2: I think that pays off during the year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think again, with so many new faces here,

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Speaker 1: those become even more important. I haven't gone through and

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Speaker 1: count how many different how many new guys. I haven't

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Speaker 1: looked at who I expect to make the fifty three yet.

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Speaker 1: We're too far out from that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would expect a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the majority of the guys that they've signed

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Speaker 1: are gonna make this I'm gonna make this roster. And

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Speaker 1: then you add in the draft picks. I mean you're

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Speaker 1: talking about typically, I think I saw this last year.

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Speaker 1: Your roster turns over about forty percent, so about twenty

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Speaker 2: And that's the average.

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Speaker 1: That's the average.

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Speaker 2: I mean you got to think five to seven draft

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, but I mean that actually

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know, you can't have both, you can't

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Speaker 2: be But they're also, as you mentioned yesterday too, they're

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Speaker 2: returning a lot of starters. They may not return as

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Speaker 2: starters you necessarily, but they are returning a lot of starters,

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Speaker 2: and especially on offense, Ay're so young. It's not like

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Speaker 2: a lot of those guys aged out or left the

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Speaker 2: free agency that were part of last year's mix too.

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Speaker 2: So especially on offense, it's a lot of the same

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Speaker 2: plus you know, plus Yeah, yeah, plus is a.

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Speaker 1: Good way to look at it. Here, got some interesting

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Speaker 1: stuff here. I wanted to throw into this real quick here.

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Speaker 1: So Pro Football Focus has their center rankings. Oh okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they've been going position three season center rankings. You don't

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Speaker 2: Ranking No, no, that's getting pretty intense. Yeah, give them

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Speaker 1: Of course they love Creed Humphrey.

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Speaker 2: Pro Football yeahah, not get that he's number one.

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Speaker 1: I'm not putting him ahead of Jason Kelsey.

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Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't either. I wouldn't put anybody ahead of

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Speaker 2: Kelsey who's not lost a step. No, you know right,

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Speaker 2: I mean I think he's just with all respect to

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Speaker 2: good as any center since Dark Dawson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it still is. His Pro Football Focus run run

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Speaker 1: blocking grade hasn't dipped below seventy since his rookie season

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Speaker 1: nine since twenty fifteen. So now what do you agree

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Speaker 1: with their Yeah, sure, that's still pretty good.

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Speaker 2: But they're not night and day, and it's still in

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Speaker 2: the neighborhood right right right. What's crazy about him too,

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Speaker 2: is he's so unethical, I mean, or so different because

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Speaker 2: he's very small, but he's an insane mover and great

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Speaker 2: leverage and a lot of his run blocks are well

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Speaker 1: Well. That leads me to when we were talking with

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Speaker 1: Isaac sam Olive next week and some of the things.

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Speaker 1: I went through the tape again over the weekend, and

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Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting too. I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 2: at the time, and we just sort of ran out

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Speaker 1: But it's part of the like he says, you have

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Speaker 1: to know when when you can let it all hang out,

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Speaker 1: when you can't, and when you can when you can

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Speaker 1: be aggressive and when you can't, when you can take

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Speaker 1: a chance and when you can't. And that's one thing

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Speaker 1: that Kelsey does well. And I would imagine having played

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Speaker 1: have that as well. And that again, it takes it.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's something that that young lineman can learn.

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that the Steelers learned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's something Roger Jones

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Speaker 2: and there's a couple of phases, is that some of

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Speaker 2: it's situational. Hey, we have to get this yard, so

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Speaker 2: I'm selling out and coming off the ball with everything

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Speaker 2: you know, your technique. You know a lot of you'll

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Speaker 2: hear getting over your skis, you know, because you're being

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Speaker 2: too aggressive, You're leaning too far forward and the guy's

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Speaker 2: just going to shrug you off. You'll lose your balance,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean pass protection. Patience is a very

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Speaker 2: very important part of pass protection. Oh ye're sitting back

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Speaker 1: Know, wait for that guy to give you his move. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you you counteract off of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean in some cases, the first first guy

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Speaker 2: that flinches loses in a way. You know, if I'm

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Speaker 2: going to give you I'm the first one to throw

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Speaker 2: a punch or whatever is a boxing metaphor, you know,

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Speaker 2: you kind of sell yourself a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So some of that's knowing who you're playing against too.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point.

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Speaker 1: Does this guy have multiple moves or is he just

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Speaker 1: is he just a bull rush? Gay? Right? Right? Right? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I can play the bull rush here.

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Speaker 2: So it's funny. I was watching Nick Bosa this weekend

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Speaker 2: just for the heck of it, and this is what

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Speaker 2: we do. We're pretty exciting. And he's a tremendous football player.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be here week one. But much, much, much

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Speaker 2: of his success is bull rush. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: so like it's just.

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Speaker 1: Really tough to do in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: It's really tough to do, and it's so good that

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Speaker 2: you have to let it's you know, it's a one

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Speaker 2: hundred and two mile an hour fastball, but then when

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Speaker 2: the curve comes, it's whoa you know, like I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: swinging on my shoes. Yeah, hey, and he drops that

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Speaker 2: curve on your Yeah, change up right, that's not fair.

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Speaker 2: Finally adjusting to the fastball.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Kelsey is to with Corey Linsley three, Frank

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Speaker 1: rag Now, were okay, Tyler Linderbaum five for that already?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not a tremendous group of thirty

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Speaker 2: two centers across the league right now, and there's kind

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Speaker 2: of been a shortage for a decade or so. The

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Speaker 2: second half of his season was better than the first,

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Speaker 2: but that seems like we're getting ahead of ourselves a

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Speaker 2: Better as well. Oh, I think he will. I absolutely

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Speaker 1: be back with more right after this. Welcome back. I

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Speaker 1: am Dale, Ali. He is Matt Williamson, and this is

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Speaker 1: a special edition of The Drive here on Steelers Nation

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Speaker 1: Radio and ESPN nine seventy. We are live from the

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Speaker 1: Steeler OTA Sessions here at the upmc renny Sports Complex

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Speaker 1: and the Steelers taking part in OTA Practice number seven. Matt,

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Speaker 1: I thought we'd continue down there with the rabbit hole

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Speaker 1: with some of these pro football focus lists here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they were good.

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Speaker 1: So they have a list here of everybody does the

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Speaker 1: top players under twenty five in the league. Nobody ever

446
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Speaker 1: talks about the top players over thirty.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's an interesting that's.

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Speaker 1: What they've got here. They've got their thirty players thirty

449
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Speaker 1: over thirty.

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Speaker 2: Thirty over thirty, thirty for thirty Okay. Let me.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go through these guys and you tell me

452
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Speaker 1: of these guys, how many your future Hall of Famers

453
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Speaker 1: makes it interesting because yeah, but at this point these

454
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Speaker 1: guys have their their resumes.

455
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,719
Speaker 2: Their resumes are pretty strong and add a little to them,

456
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 2: of course, but you know, right, So.

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Speaker 1: Number one on the list is Trent Williams.

458
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: I think he's in yeah, yeah, and he's I think

459
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 2: he's still the best left tackle in the league. What

460
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Speaker 2: is saying something, what's just saying something? He is a bully.

461
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 2: I mean he beats people up. I mean, if they

462
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Speaker 2: need a yard, it's behind him. They never help him

463
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Speaker 2: in protection as good as ever. Number two Aaron Donald

464
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Speaker 2: in clearly obviously. Number three Travis Kelsey in Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Another.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's starting to get to Gronken zalez Land

467
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Speaker 2: in terms of legacy.

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Speaker 1: Number four is DeVante Adams. He's just turned thirty this year.

469
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Speaker 2: Not in yet, Yeah, I mean he's building a strong case.

470
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Speaker 1: He is a touchdown machine. He's so good.

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Speaker 2: But I would say he's probably got a five year

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Speaker 2: body of work of really being elite, you know, maybe

473
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Speaker 2: even less. Does that sound right to you? I mean

474
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Speaker 2: he was really good last year despite not as good circumstances.

475
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 2: He's made some rumblings that he's not thrilled with how

476
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Speaker 2: the last off.

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Speaker 1: Season is gone. I think part of it is, you know,

478
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Speaker 1: he was He's buddies with Car. They just they went

479
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Speaker 1: to college.

480
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Speaker 2: Together, right right. He picked the Raiders, Yeah.

481
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Speaker 1: He picked the Raiders because of Car. Then they get

482
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Speaker 1: rid of Car for an injured Jimmy Garoppolo.

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Speaker 2: I don't blame them for me and I.

484
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Speaker 1: Sometimes we're doing here.

485
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Speaker 2: Sometimes just want players to mind your own business, be quiet.

486
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Speaker 2: But I think he's really taking a leadership role, like

487
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Speaker 2: what are we doing here? I mean I wonder if

488
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Speaker 2: he's a potential sneaky trade candidate. Maybe you know what

489
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Speaker 2: if he ended up in Kansas City or.

490
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Speaker 1: To New Orleans. Yeah, uh number five Cameron Hayward.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he gets in unfortunately, kind of like

492
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Speaker 2: the Richard Seymour conversation. It's just a tough position to take.

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Speaker 1: He's getting close.

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Speaker 2: He's really helped him lately.

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Speaker 1: Another first or another All Pro.

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Speaker 2: The Walter Payton Man of the Year thing would be

497
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Speaker 2: a big.

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Speaker 1: Would be a big would be a big feather in

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Speaker 1: his cap as well.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think his story's done. Like I'm not

501
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Speaker 2: just saying, oh no, he's got no chance. I mean,

502
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Speaker 2: he has two more years like he did the last couple.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's been as good as ever and he's

504
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Speaker 2: putting up stats and sacks and things like that too.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he's gonna be a yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Number six is Cooper Cup.

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Speaker 2: No, he's came the league late. He probably doesn't have

508
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Speaker 2: the body of work that Adams has over the last

509
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Speaker 2: five years, but he's still awesome. I mean, he was

510
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Speaker 2: the most productive receiver in the league one year ago. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if he's a RAM at the end of

512
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Speaker 2: the year. I think that's questionable. I mean it's not

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Speaker 2: him and Adams still have a chance. They're still playing

514
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Speaker 2: a really high level. I'm almost certain Cup turn thirty

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Speaker 2: like this week too.

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Speaker 1: He turns thirty in junior and Jui Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Number seven is Joel Botonio, who Pro Football Focused loves.

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Speaker 1: I can't put him ahead of the next guy on

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Speaker 1: this next two guys on this list.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's a Hall of Famer. I had

522
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Speaker 2: a really good career.

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Speaker 1: But no, uh, these next two guys or next three

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Speaker 1: guys really are Von Miller He's in yeah, Aaron Rodgers yes,

525
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Speaker 1: and Jason Kelcey.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. Be cool for Kelsey's went in together.

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Speaker 1: And they're both heading that yea, actually yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Think Travis might last longer of the two than Jas.

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Speaker 2: I mean, because Jason flirted with retirement this year. I

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Speaker 2: don't know who's older off the top of my head.

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Speaker 2: I think Jason's a little bit older, you know, if

532
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Speaker 2: he came to the league or an year earlier or what.

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Speaker 2: But they're very similar. But I think they're both.

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Speaker 1: In Number eleven is Lane Johnson.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a slam dunk too. Not everyone sees

536
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Speaker 2: it that way, but I think he's tougher right tackles,

537
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Speaker 2: though it is tough for right tackles. I mean, I

538
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: wonder of all the tackles in the Hall of Fame,

539
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 2: how many are strictly right. I bet it's I mean,

540
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Speaker 2: a very very low percentage. You would hope that starts

541
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Speaker 2: to get closer to fifty. As right tackles have had

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00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: a harder time the last ten years and they did

543
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Speaker 2: thirty years ago in terms they're blocking the Von Millers now. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, but I think Johnson's been the best right

545
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Speaker 2: tackle in the league over the last decade. I think

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Speaker 2: he has a suspension or two though that doesn't help

547
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Speaker 2: his call.

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00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, done some injuries, Yeah, helped the cause. Just I

549
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Speaker 1: just just just thought, just came into moment. If Aaron

550
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: Donald doesn't exist right now, he didn't come into the league,

551
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't.

552
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 2: Become I don't even know he is.

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward is slam dunk for the Hall.

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Speaker 2: Of Fame, certainly would help. I mean, he'd probably have

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Speaker 2: more All pros. It's like the the Brady Michael Jordan.

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00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: You know, right, some of these guys are one of

557
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Speaker 2: those Guys Awards. But sure help. Yeah, I mean without doubt.

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Speaker 1: Twelve Bobby Wagner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's in. Yeah, Yeah, I think he's done.

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Speaker 1: In Thirteen is Brandon Graham. No, he's not no good player.

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00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a Ring of Honor Eagle type.

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Speaker 1: High twelve sacks last year? Was it for thirty four?

563
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Speaker 2: Never would I have said he's a top five defensive

564
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Speaker 2: end though.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, uh, Number fourteen is a guy who's

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Speaker 1: a lot older than people may think. Kevin Byerd turns

567
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Speaker 1: thirty in August.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think he's a Hall of Famer,

569
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Speaker 2: but good career, great story. Did come the league or late?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Fifteen is Zach Martin I.

571
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Speaker 2: Think he's a slam dunk. I mean, I think he's

572
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Speaker 2: a Trent Williams level. I won't say all time.

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Speaker 1: The last couple of years have not been not dominant, banged.

574
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Speaker 2: Right right right a little bit, but I think he

575
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Speaker 2: is as good a case as Hutchinson or a Fanica

576
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Speaker 2: or one of those guys. Might not be right away

577
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Speaker 2: of his position, but he's in.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen is Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 2: No a really good year though, yeh. I mean he's

580
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Speaker 2: an easy guy to bang on, like he's the line

581
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Speaker 2: of denlarcation. But it's been really productive for a Viking especially. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen is Keenan Allen.

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Speaker 2: I'd say no, yeah again, career tough, so tough, Yeah,

584
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Speaker 2: and he seems to be slipping a little. He could

585
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Speaker 2: rejuvenate himself this year, but I think he's out.

586
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Speaker 1: Eighteen is to Mario Davis.

587
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: Also out, but a lot better than people think. Yeah,

588
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Speaker 2: I mean he's he's probably a top five linebacker right now,

589
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: even at his age. Some of these linebackers fade away.

590
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Speaker 2: I assume Levante David will be on that list too. Yeah,

591
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 2: I mean so some of these dudes are take a

592
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: while to get going and then fadeaway.

593
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: Slow coming up soon. In fact, nineteen is a Darius Smith.

594
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: Good player but no chance.

595
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, twenty is Levante.

596
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: David Wagner is going to hurt him.

597
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that same argument with yeah, I.

598
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Speaker 2: Think he'll be you know, keek Ley will go I'm

599
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: just saying the like linebackers of this last ten years,

600
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Speaker 2: I think Wagner goes. Guys like Willis can't get in.

601
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: I think David goes.

602
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Speaker 1: I think Willis eventually does get in. I do too.

603
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: But the thing hurting him is what David has is longevity. Yeah,

604
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 2: you know, kind of an opposite resume.

605
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Speaker 1: Twenty one is de Marcus Lawrence, no chance but good player. Yeah,

606
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Speaker 1: twenty two is Joe Thuney.

607
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Speaker 2: Probably not, but the fact that he's winning super Bowls

608
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: sure helps. Yeah, it doesn't hurt right, right, And he's

609
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: still really good. I mean they might get four more

610
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Speaker 2: good years out of him, and he may have a

611
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: strong case. Uh twenty and there's hard to be a

612
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: high profile guard. But you know, you hit free agency,

613
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: kept paid a lot of money. They probably won super

614
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: Bowls with the Patriots. Now you think about it, and

615
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: then he goes to the next generation. You know, dynasty

616
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: and got paid a lot of money. Like you said, right,

617
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: He's played some tackle too, so he might have maybe

618
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: a sneaky one.

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Speaker 1: Twenty three is Tyler Lockett.

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Speaker 2: No chance, really good player. He could be a Seahawks

621
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Speaker 2: Ring of Bonner guy. Yeah, you know.

622
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Speaker 1: Twenty four is Stefan Gilmore.

623
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Speaker 2: I doubt it, but he's one of the few corners

624
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: of one defensive Player of the Year award.

625
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly helps his cause.

626
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: I mean, he played really well for the Colts last year,

627
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Speaker 2: and what if he does again for Dallas. It's a

628
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: tough one though, I'm gonna say no, but he could

629
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Speaker 2: two big years would help him.

630
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Speaker 1: Twenty five is Kalais Campbell.

631
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Speaker 2: Does he even better? A worse case than Cam worse,

632
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: I think worse. But he's knocking on the door of

633
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 2: one hundred sacks he's I know, he's very conscious of it.

634
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: That's the only reason I mentioned that.

635
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: And he does. He does have an NFL.

636
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: He is a Man of the Year award. Right, He's

637
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: been on good teams.

638
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: He's never I've never looked at him as a dominant

639
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: dominant either.

640
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Alayer plays better.

641
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Speaker 1: They listened as a defensive interior guy for a lot

642
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: long time. He was listed as an end.

643
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: He came in the league as an end. Yeah, you

644
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: know it's a six ' eight condor arms you think

645
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: he was like two eighty. It is combine something in

646
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: that neighborhood and those guys. I mean, he's reinvented himself.

647
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: He's strong. I don't think he gets in, but really

648
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: really good career, really good, highly respected player. You know

649
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: he'll be good for Atlanta. I mean in terms of

650
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: the conversation we had last segment of some old guys

651
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: that have been around.

652
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty six is Corey Linsley.

653
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Speaker 2: No chance, but I mean he's the fifth best center,

654
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Speaker 2: like we talked about or whatever.

655
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Speaker 1: Last segment, Uh, twenty seven is Jimmy Ward.

656
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Speaker 2: No chance, but he's another He's a perfect example of

657
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: Miko Ryans goes from Niners to Texans and total WAPs

658
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: of culture. He's going to be their blue guy, their

659
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: you know guy they look up to.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight is DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

662
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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I think no too. I think he's got a better

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Speaker 2: chance in Keenan Allen.

665
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Speaker 1: Yes, last year or.

666
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: Two hasn't helped his cause, and he's also been suspended.

667
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: I mean I think he's a no. Terms of receivers

668
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Speaker 2: of this generation, I mean like Adams and Cup are

669
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Speaker 2: better and are probably a better years ahead of them. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nine is Darius Slay.

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00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: I think no, but being on a high profile Super

672
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Speaker 2: Bowl type doesn't hurt. Helped the last year or two hurts.

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00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: H thirty is Tron Armstead.

674
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Speaker 2: Maybe he's missed a lot of games. Yeah, Trent Williams

675
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Speaker 2: is ahead of him, Jason Peters is ahead of him,

676
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: and just of guys that have been played lately, I

677
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: think he's probably on the outside looking him when it's

678
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: all said and done. I'm pretty certain of it the

679
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: more I think about it. Yeah. Yeah.

680
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Speaker 1: The honorable mention guys David Boctiari similar to the last

681
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Speaker 1: couple of years have helped.

682
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the the Aaron Rodgers relationship and winning

683
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: thirteen games time and time again kept him in the limelight.

684
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: But the last couple of years has been hard to

685
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: see him. You don't see how on the field very much.

686
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

687
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Speaker 2: Cameron Jordan, No, I think he's behind Cam Hayward too. Yeah.

688
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: And then David Andrews No, No.

689
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Speaker 2: I'm just a good player, not even know if he's

690
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: a Patriots Ring of Honor guy.

691
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Speaker 1: I think to me, if you're still top ten in

692
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Speaker 1: this list, you're probably on your way in terms because

693
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Speaker 1: you're still playing, you're still performing well.

694
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Speaker 2: Adams and couple good examples. Yeah, Like they're still top

695
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: five and they just turned thirty. Those are young thirty

696
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Speaker 2: year olds. Yeah, huh. Like I always find it interesting.

697
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: I don't watch golf, but like the Senior Tour, the

698
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: rookies should come in and kill you, you know, yeah,

699
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. They're playing against sixty five

700
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Speaker 2: year olds and they just retired from playing against the

701
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Speaker 2: best in the world, and they come into the senior

702
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: league and like now the I'm the star right away,

703
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: and you only get worse, you know. So some of

704
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: these dudes that are thirty still have a lot of

705
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Speaker 2: good football left at them.

706
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think Cam Hayward stalls several productive years

707
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Speaker 1: ahead of him.

708
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: A big injury or something would really hurt his cause.

709
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: But if he could put two or three more years together,

710
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Speaker 2: like the last two or three, then you really start

711
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: to see something.

712
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: Some of these defensive linemen. I mean we just talked

713
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: about Kalais Campbell. He's thirty seven.

714
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: Wow, I would guess seven than that. Wow. Wow.

715
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: They're built like tanks.

716
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and even like Nama Kong Sue. Like, I don't

717
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: think he goes to the Hall of Fame, but I

718
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: mean he's been in everybody somewhat of a mercenary the

719
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: last five years and just goes to good teams and

720
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Speaker 2: goes to Super Bowls and the second overall pick in

721
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Speaker 2: the draft, And you can last a long time once

722
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: you kind of learn your role, as he's d lineman. Like,

723
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: if Cam wants to play five more years, that sounds crazy,

724
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: but if he you know, knows who he is, plays

725
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: thirty snaps a game in that fifth season and fourth season,

726
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: he could still be highly effective too. Plus well, there's

727
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: no doubt awesome locker room guy and all that kind

728
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: of stuff too. Yeah, and then you start compiling more

729
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: sacks and things like that too for your Hall of

730
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: Fame case. Yeah, we've talked about it a lot. But

731
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Speaker 2: I'd love to see him, and I know you would too,

732
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: And I know it's important to him that that Man

733
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Speaker 2: of the Year thing would be big.

734
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Speaker 1: That would be big, you know, Yeah, it would be big.

735
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: That would be big too.

736
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Being the team right on the outside looking in doesn't

738
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Speaker 2: help your causes.

739
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: Does not know. But yeah, I think you know, when

740
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: I look at that list, A there's a lot of

741
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Speaker 1: good players on there, a lot of guys who are

742
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Speaker 1: still really good. Yeah, but what we didn't see we

743
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: didn't see any running backs.

744
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: So how many quarterbacks were there? Not many? I mean,

745
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: like Matthew Stafford's not on there, Wilson's not on there.

746
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: Guys that would have been.

747
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: There last year, Aaron Rodgers in, Kirk Cousins, that was it.

748
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins is the other one. Like think about a

749
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: year ago, Brady would have been on there, Wilson might

750
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: have been on there. Stafford certainly would have been on there.

751
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: That's a little odd, you know that there's no the

752
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: Ben generation's basically gone.

753
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's aging out.

754
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: And the quarterback world had skipped a generation, you know,

755
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: like Luck should be on there, right, you know. Cousins

756
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: is that age, Wilson's that age and he fall off

757
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: a cliff like there's no soon to be old guys

758
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: or getting to be old guys right now. The league

759
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: has a bit of a problem.

760
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Speaker 1: That way, they do. I did want to mention it

761
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Speaker 1: well today is Kenny Pickett's twenty fifth.

762
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Speaker 2: Birthday, right, it's another big birthday today.

763
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Speaker 1: Somebody else. Kenny Pickett turns twenty five today. Yeah, oh wait,

764
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Speaker 1: you turn fifty today. Yeah fifty ye, welcome to the club.

765
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Speaker 2: How about that? Kenny's a quarter of a century old today.

766
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Speaker 2: I'm half a century old today. It's also d Day.

767
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Speaker 2: It's also the Antichrist birthday on six six. That's always

768
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Speaker 2: a good thing to have to you know. So how

769
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Speaker 2: about that?

770
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Speaker 1: Okay, you went you went down in a completely different direction.

771
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Speaker 2: They were big six six birthdays.

772
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Speaker 1: Okay, And with that, we're going to take a break.

773
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Speaker 2: There you go, he is Matt Williams birthday, Kenny. Yeah,

774
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: maybe we'll go out and get a cold one.

775
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: Cam Heyward when they were out there stretching, was wis say, hey,

776
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Speaker 1: it's Kenny Pickett's birthday.

777
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Nice, We're gonna take a break. He is Matt Williamson.

779
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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they'll send to us.

781
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Speaker 1: Maybe. You're listening to a special edition of The Drive

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Speaker 1: here on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine to seventy.

783
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Speaker 1: We are live from the Steelers Ota sessions here at

784
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Speaker 1: the upmc rooney Sports Complex, on the south side, and

785
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Speaker 1: we will be back with more right after this. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Laai. He is Matt Williams, and this

787
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Speaker 1: is a special edition of The Drive here on Steelers

788
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Speaker 1: Nation Radio and ESPN nine to seventy. We are live

789
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Speaker 1: from the Steelers Ota Sessions here at the upmc roomy

790
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Speaker 1: Sports Complex. And Matt, I had another little article here.

791
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Speaker 1: Look you talk about it.

792
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Speaker 2: About that, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Our friend a friend of the show, Judy Battista of

794
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Speaker 1: NFL dot com. She's their senior national columnist. She has

795
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Speaker 1: been a frequent guest of the show.

796
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Speaker 2: I'll say she usually joins us at the combine. I

797
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Speaker 2: think she did this year when I wasn't with you guys,

798
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Speaker 2: So I think we got like five or six years

799
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Speaker 2: in a row sitting down.

800
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Speaker 1: With Jude absolutely her stuff.

801
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's wired in.

802
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Speaker 1: She did a thing here. Four teams that greatly helped

803
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Speaker 1: their quarterbacks in the twenty twenty three offseason, and five

804
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Speaker 1: that didn't.

805
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: That might be more important. That's one of my biggest

806
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: pet peeves. Like, I don't know if she's gonna bring

807
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: up the Bears, but we were talking about this on

808
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: my podcast yesterday. We were talking about some of the

809
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: worst defenses in the league, and I'm like, the Bears

810
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: is horrendous. I think they're gonna be terrible on defense.

811
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Speaker 2: But it's totally excusable because they spent all their resources

812
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: to help fields. You know, great, you know, get deal

813
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: with the defense next year. Help your quarterback, help your quarterback, yeah,

814
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: your young quarterback. Yes, yes, yes, it's different if you're

815
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. And we're not gonna use first round picks

816
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: because that's why you're paying Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes.

817
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: She says. The applause goes to the New York Jets. Well,

818
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: did they help their quarterback or the quarterback?

819
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to get a new quarterback. Doesn't help

820
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: their quarterback. Well, it helps get your quarterback off the field.

821
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Speaker 2: If it's Zach Wilson, I mean, you're better at quarterback.

822
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: But I don't know that they went out and helped

823
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: their quarterback. They also didn't really add anything on offense.

824
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: Well, they added a bunch of Aaron Rodgers.

825
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 2: But I guess they brought his friends in right handle

826
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: Cobb and.

827
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: Looks like Dead and Company, Aaron company. And in some

828
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: cases some of these guys are close to yeah, I don't.

829
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: Think that one counts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

831
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Speaker 2: Number two is the Bengals Orlando Brown. Is that enough

832
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: though to make you a top five help your quarterback

833
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: type of team. I don't know that that is, yeah,

834
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 2: I mean you had a lot in place.

835
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

836
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: I don't think they would be either one would be

837
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Speaker 2: my picks.

838
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't here's the thing that's not getting

839
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: talked about. So Layol Collins had knee surgery, right right,

840
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: So now they're talking about taking Joanah Williams, who couldn't

841
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: play left tackle.

842
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: Real well, he was an overrated left tackle.

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Speaker 1: That's when God, Orlando, He's had a bump over to

844
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: the right side.

845
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Speaker 2: Which isn't as easy as you think, right, And it

846
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: doesn't mean he'll be a success there either.

847
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: Right now?

848
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: And he's blocking DJ Watt, Yeah right, I don't know.

849
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

850
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: I can see them drafting attack on the first round

851
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: next year without it that, I mean, without a question.

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00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: Number three is the Ravens. Well, obviously they went.

853
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Speaker 2: That's a good one quarterback, that's a good one. I

854
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: mean that that to me is the definition.

855
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: Changed offensive coordinators. They gat receivers, which they didn't have.

856
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: It's the best group piece the road too, you know,

857
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: at least on paper. We'll see how it turns out.

858
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's the definition of helping your quarterback. I

859
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 2: like that. One.

860
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: Number four is the Green Bay Packers. Did they really

861
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Speaker 1: help their quarterback?

862
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: Two mean three early picks on pass catchers, but they're

863
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: all rookies, right, I mean, I like Musgrave.

864
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: I like following up another draft where they last year

865
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: they drafted a bunch of widers.

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00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, Watson and Dougs.

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Speaker 1: Kind of in a situation wh that the Steelers are

868
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: in right now where they get a whole young.

869
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Speaker 2: They might I actually heard this the other day that

870
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Speaker 2: I think they're projected roster, which is, you know, who

871
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: knows who's gonna make the team could be the youngest

872
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: in the league this year. Yeah, I mean they have

873
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: a lot of draft picks on defense, all their all

874
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: their pass catchers are young.

875
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: Young, young, young young guys, and they don't have the

876
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: resumes no that the Steelers receivers do.

877
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: No, I mean no, there's no doubt that Jayalen Reid

878
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 2: could have a better season than Alan Robinson, but it's

879
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: an unknown.

880
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, who's there Deontay Johnson, but they

881
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: don't don't have one.

882
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: No, I mean, Pickens and Watson imp comparable, but neither

883
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: one's a target hog.

884
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: And their tight ends are they're not They're not Pat

885
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: Friarmouth yet.

886
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: No, No, they'll be very fortunate if they turned into Firemuth. Yeah. Right,

887
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: So it's interesting they didn't a solom All or right.

888
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: You know. Jones teams on which he is withholding judgment

889
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: include the Patriots. They went coordinator coordinator right, which they

890
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: didn't have one last year. That's that's a big difference.

891
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Juju's no superstar, but at least he's solid

892
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: and you know what you're getting there, Like same with

893
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: MIKEAESICKI yeah, yeah, I forgot with him the Cowboys. I

894
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: think that's a good one. Brandy Cooks is a solid addition. Yeah,

895
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: I mean he's not a superstar, he's a solid edition

896
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: drafted schoonmaker in the second round.

897
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: Fine, you know, could this be a year where Brandon

898
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: Cooks makes it through an entire season and is not

899
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: being talked about as a trade target.

900
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: If they get half a sea?

901
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: Is there been anybody who's been dealt more times for

902
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: more draft picks, And.

903
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: What's funny about him. It's not because he's a bad

904
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: guy or you know, they're dumping him for seventh rounders.

905
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: People wanted them, especially earlier.

906
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: And they paid him, and he's he's just I think the.

907
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: Patriots and the Rams both gave up a first round

908
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: pick for him. No, right, he's been sought after. He's

909
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: had a good career.

910
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, the teams, is this it the Titans?

911
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: Oh you're talking about we talking about teams.

912
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: The team help help their quarterbacks, not.

913
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: Even a little. Yeah.

914
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: In fact, all they did was bring in another quarterback.

915
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and they have already crowded. Their pass catchers

916
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: are maybe the worst in the league. Well, if they say,

917
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: the next team on here is the Houston Texans. The

918
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: AFC South pass catchers are not good.

919
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: No, they're really not. We talked about this last week.

920
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure i'd say Houston didn't help

921
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: their quarterback though.

922
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you got rid of your best receiver

923
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: in Brandon Cooks.

924
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if you right, but I mean, like

925
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: Shaq Mason is helpful, Dalton Schultz is helpful. I mean,

926
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Speaker 2: these guys aren't stars, but considering what Houston used to

927
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: play with. Yeah, Robert Woods, I mean they're okay. They

928
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Speaker 2: drafted the really tiny guy, tankd Dell, you know. I mean,

929
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: at least they did stuff on that side.

930
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: Of the ball.

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Speaker 3: And the last team on here is the Buffalo Bills kincaid.

932
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Speaker 3: That's all they did, though, Torrence, and it's an upgrade

933
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Speaker 3: and is he I don't.

934
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's a great player, but Damien Harris

935
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Speaker 2: is what they need at the running back position as

936
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Speaker 2: opposed to Signaltary and Cook and give me somebody that

937
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: can close out a game in the snow. Yeah, it's fine.

938
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Speaker 2: Like out of the Bears up there, they drafted a

939
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: right tackle. They traded for DJ Moore. I mean they

940
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Speaker 2: did a lot.

941
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Speaker 1: So that's where that's where I wanted to go with

942
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: this next Matt Could the Steelers have been on that list?

943
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've added the left side of the offensive line.

944
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he's only a third round pick. But if

945
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna give the Packers credit for Craft and Musgrave,

946
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: isn't Washington that at least they're equal.

947
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: You traded for Alan Robinson.

948
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Speaker 2: I could see the league not looking at Alan Robinson

949
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Speaker 2: as a dial mover.

950
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Speaker 1: You know if you're this is where I think people

951
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: got it wrong with him, though, is that you know?

952
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: And then when the Steelers made that trade, Wow, he's

953
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: not going to help them. They're not asking him to

954
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: go out there and play a thousand snaps this year.

955
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: The seventh round. Yeah right, they're not signing him to

956
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: the massive contract that the Bears did. And then you

957
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: know the investment. The investment the Bears and Rams had

958
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: was massive, and they didn't get their money out of

959
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: the investment. There's just no way around that. There's some

960
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: situations that didn't help Robinson's cause, but he didn't live

961
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: up to what they paid for the player. But the

962
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: Steelers paid for him. I mean, Penny's on the dollar, right,

963
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: and again if he can just mentor and play thirty

964
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: snaps and where was this team weakest red zone and

965
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: intermediate portions of the field.

966
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: But the other things a lot. The other thing that

967
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: they didn't have was a guy that if let's say,

968
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: for example, George Pickens to miss a game right right,

969
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: who was going to play outside?

970
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: It would have been bad? Yeah, And it had been

971
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: like Boykin, right, I mean, now now you've got a

972
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: guy who's now Boyk probably doesn't the field been a

973
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, right right, he mixed in Austin of course,

974
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: you know, right, So, No, I think he's a good

975
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: pick up, especially for the cost. But if I were

976
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 2: a national writer, I don't think i'd be like, boy, they.

977
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Speaker 1: May not be on that list, not like DJ Moore,

978
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Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, I mean I think the Bears most

979
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: certainly could have been on there.

980
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: The Browns helped out a little bit, at least they

981
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: drafted a receiver. I was just thinking about the division

982
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: because they mentioned the Ravens, they mentioned the Bengals. I

983
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: don't know that Bengals would be on my list, just

984
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: for one.

985
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: I don't think they would, right, I mean, I understand

986
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: left tackle was a huge issue for them last year. Yeah,

987
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 1: and he's that's who Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is going

988
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: to take sex because that's who he is going to

989
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: hold the ball. He's got a little Betterroethlisberger right now. Yeah, yeah,

990
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna get a hold of the play. Yeah,

991
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: that's for sure.

992
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: Clearly, the Ravens helped their quarterback the most in the division,

993
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: in my opinion, maybe the most of the league. Maybe

994
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: the most of the league. Steelers might be second though

995
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: in the division. I mean, I think adding two prominent

996
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: offensive tackles or offensive lineman's better than that. In Orlando Brown, Yeah,

997
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: I mean big picture, especially with Jones. They gave Watson

998
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: two decent receivers. I think Tilman's a nice pickup, and

999
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: I liked Elijah Moore quite a bit, but neither Ones,

1000
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: Dj Moore level or somebody like that.

1001
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the things that doesn't get

1002
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: talked about much that maybe should be factored into that.

1003
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: And you brought this up, sixteen teams changed play callers. Yeah,

1004
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: last season, the Steelers stuck with Matt Canada, largely because

1005
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: they didn't want to up They didn't want to upend

1006
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: things right rock the boat and rocked the boat with

1007
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett.

1008
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: Sure, and things got much better as the season went on,

1009
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 2: obviously offensively. What's kind of interesting just kind of dawned

1010
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: on me because we're talking about the Vante Adams last

1011
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: year or last segment, there was a j Brown, Tyreek Hill,

1012
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: Devonte Days. All those big time receivers changed teams. This

1013
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: list would be a lot different a year ago. Yeah,

1014
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: to wow, we got Tyreek Hill, you know, or you

1015
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: know car got Adams. You know, there weren't massive skill

1016
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: position swings. Plus this receiver class didn't have a Jamar Chase.

1017
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah that guy there wasn't that guy and it wasn't

1018
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: as deep. So this is a harder exercise than usual.

1019
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: I mean could see where like the Patriots would show

1020
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: up because the court, you know, the coaching was so

1021
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: drastic last years. You know, just making a change there

1022
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: is worth noting.

1023
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And in this case, I think with the

1024
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: Steelers not making a change, I think a lot I

1025
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people are down on Mac Canada,

1026
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know that we've gotten the chance to

1027
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: see what he really envisions. Maybe maybe the second half

1028
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: of last year was what he envisioned.

1029
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, and I would imagine. I mean, and again,

1030
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: I do think a lot of mistakes Canada side. I

1031
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: mean I think a lot of mistakes are made in

1032
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 2: young quarterbacks careers with just a lot of turmoil.

1033
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: Like think about the Baker Mayfield situation where he had

1034
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: like six different coordinators or seven different coordinators.

1035
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 2: There's been several examples in like five years, Yeah, where

1036
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: it's almost every year. I mean it's almost like they

1037
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: average a change a year. And I mean it's one

1038
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: of the stabilities of this organization too, is ownership realizes.

1039
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: Do I really want to change coaches in a first

1040
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: round quarterback second year? I'm talking about head guys. Yeah,

1041
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: and let alone coordinators, play calling, terminology, learning all new stuff.

1042
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: You know, take that playbook and throw it on the

1043
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: fire and just start over and learning. Let's learn French

1044
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: this year, you know, like talk, Yeah.

1045
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: It's nuts. I think stability matters in the NFL. Stability

1046
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: matters here as well. And because we have to do that,

1047
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: we have to we have to be stable. We have

1048
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Speaker 1: to take a break here at the top of the hour,

1049
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: he is Matt Williams. Not your best transition, Yeah, struggling

1050
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Speaker 1: with that a little bit. He is Matt Williams, and

1051
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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolley. You're listening to a special edition

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Speaker 1: of The Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN

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