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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Hello friends,

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Speaker 1: I am so thrilled to be joined today by one

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Speaker 1: of my journalism heroes, a true icon, the inimitable Dana Bash.

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Speaker 1: Dana is celebrating thirty years at CNN this year. She

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Speaker 1: has covered campaigns and politics for the network for three decades.

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Speaker 1: She literally started there running the teleprompter and in the

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Speaker 1: The launch of Inside Politics with Dana Bash marks her

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Speaker 1: her storied and legendary career and honestly for all of

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Speaker 1: us who watch the news and who have been longing

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Speaker 1: to see a powerhouse woman like her anchoring. In addition

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Speaker 1: to being one of the best source political journalists in

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Speaker 1: the country, Dana has mentored an entire generation of journalists.

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Speaker 1: She's beloved for her incomparable chops as a reporter and

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Speaker 1: her willingness to provide sound guidance to others, and truly,

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Speaker 1: no one deserves the accolades more. I am so thrilled

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Speaker 1: today to be joined by one of my heroes, because

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Speaker 1: I have so many questions on what the hell is

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Speaker 1: going on in the house, this whole Shenanigans going on

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Speaker 1: with the speaker being ousted, and since we booked this interview,

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Speaker 1: with the war that has broken out between Israel and Gaza,

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Speaker 1: there is so much pain and strife, and I know

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Speaker 1: so many of us have so many questions, and I

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Speaker 1: this than her. So let's get going, Dana. I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited to be here with you today, not only because

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Speaker 1: you are one of the journalists that I admire most,

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Speaker 1: but as you know, pinch me a moment truly for

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Speaker 1: my life. Over all the years that I've been fortunate

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Speaker 1: enough to do a little bit of work in Washington,

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Speaker 1: You've become someone that I get to see socially, and

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Speaker 1: you are as cool and fun to hang out with

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Speaker 1: as you are smart on television and in life, and

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Speaker 1: I just I have like the ultimate brain crush on you.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for coming today.

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Speaker 2: So nice. It's so good to see you, Sophia.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. There's so much for us to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and there's so much that I want to dig into.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have covered campaigns and politics at CNN

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Speaker 1: for thirty years. Now. You are such a decorated veteran

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Speaker 1: of journalism. The way that you worked up through your

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Speaker 1: career is so incredibly inspiring. You're known as one of

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Speaker 1: such a beloved figure, and as such, I have limited

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Speaker 1: time with you, and I really want to respect that.

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask you a couple of questions

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Speaker 1: about your career, but I also really want to be

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Speaker 1: mindful that we get into current events, because there is

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Speaker 1: a whole lot going on here. What was it that

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Speaker 1: made you want to become a journalist in the first place.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, Sophia, I spent my entire life pushing against

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Speaker 2: the grain of the notion of being a journalist, as

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Speaker 2: both of my parents went to journalism school in Chicago,

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Speaker 2: but not my dad. My dad worked for ABC News

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Speaker 2: for over forty years. So I grew up seeing the good,

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Speaker 2: the bad, and the ugly, and as a young person,

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Speaker 2: of course, particularly as a teenager, I just seized on

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Speaker 2: want to do, and so I was like, your job stinks.

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Speaker 2: never left. And I also even when I went to school,

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Speaker 2: junior year, I would say I just kind of gave

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Speaker 2: And then I realized that I couldn't work in politics

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Speaker 2: so I ended up doing internships at various news organizations

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Speaker 2: my senior year, and I literally have not had another

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, one could dream.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine what that must be like. I mean,

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Speaker 1: a big deal and a mile marker, you know, not

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Speaker 1: only for you as an individual, but I would say,

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Speaker 1: Is it a little bit of both?

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Speaker 2: I think it's all the above. I was very I

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Speaker 2: ended up doing was a little of everything. I was

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Speaker 2: how hard it was, and it was like atrocious. My

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Speaker 2: I don't recommend for anybody and I but I loved

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Speaker 2: It was just never my thing until I got to

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Speaker 2: And and I do try to approach whether it's inside

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Speaker 2: I'm doing newsmaker interviews on Sundays. I approached it as

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Speaker 1: That's really, really very cool. You said something about the beginning,

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Speaker 1: and I think it might be interesting to you know,

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Speaker 1: What are the things that young journalists might want to

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Speaker 2: It's a great question. Well, just let's just take the

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Speaker 2: term producer. It means so many different things. I mean,

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Speaker 2: something very different depending on what you're doing so you

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Speaker 2: that segment producer will will help me come up with

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Speaker 2: So that's what a segment producer will do. Another producer,

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Speaker 2: I'm just making things up. So all of those things

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Speaker 2: are various things that a producer does just on a show.

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Speaker 2: Now separate that out with field producing, which is going

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Speaker 2: You can do this depending on a the White House

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Speaker 2: whether you were in broadcast, whether you're in digital anything,

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Speaker 1: And I imagine when you talk about the sort of

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Speaker 1: you do really need an all hands on deck crew

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Speaker 1: because there is so much going on. Even in the

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Speaker 1: time to talk about what's going on with this Seaker's drama,

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Speaker 1: to talk about what's happening in the house and how

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Speaker 1: since we booked today's discussion, a war has broken out

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Speaker 1: between Israel and Gaza. I mean, there's wild political crises

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Speaker 1: would imagine that the pressure to get it right and

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Speaker 1: to be able to cover people's stories well is immense,

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Speaker 1: and so it requires a lot of eyes, a lot

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Speaker 1: And I would imagine that you feel like you have

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Speaker 1: an incredible team behind you on your two shows.

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Speaker 2: I do. I'm very lucky incredible team, And you're exactly right.

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Speaker 2: You nailed it. Well, Look, you got to get it

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Speaker 2: Jewish date of Israel. That's it. That's what they want.

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Speaker 2: So that is why they have their tentacles in the

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Speaker 2: neighborhood and the other teles and and their money pushing

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Speaker 2: this kind of thing in and around Israel. And I

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Speaker 2: think that it is it is noteworthy that this is

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Speaker 2: happening as well. Several years after the Abraham Accords, where

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Speaker 2: Israel entered into what appeared to be a pretty successful,

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Speaker 2: one successful peace treaty. Sort of. The idea was everything

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Speaker 2: is stymied with the Palestinian Israel question, so let's let's

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Speaker 2: go beyond. Let's let's talk about other Arab countries. The

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Speaker 2: Trump administration did that, which Democrats and Republicans alike give

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Speaker 2: give them credit for. And now we are on the cusps.

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Speaker 2: We're on the cusp of a an Israel Saudi deal

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Speaker 2: which nobody in a million years would have thought thought of.

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Speaker 2: So the question is whether or not, Well, it probably

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Speaker 2: goes without saying that part of the the reason for

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Speaker 2: this terror attack, just part of is to to stign

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Speaker 2: me that.

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Speaker 1: Right, Because if you're a terrorist organization whose sole goal

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Speaker 1: is and to be clear, this is rooted in thousands

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Speaker 1: of years of oppression and anti Semitism, If a terror

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Speaker 1: group's sole goal is to eradicate a Jewish state and

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Speaker 1: the Jewish people, which is in the Hamas Charter, this

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Speaker 1: isn't up for debate if that's the plan, and you

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Speaker 1: begin to truly see, however, imperfectly, the beginnings of peace

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Speaker 1: being agreed upon region by region in the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: peace would negate your terror goal. So if you can

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Speaker 1: blow up a peace treaty or a country or a people,

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Speaker 1: you can use civilians as a way to create more

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Speaker 1: conflict and more death and to stop the peace process.

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Speaker 2: Yep, exactly right now. I mean I just before coming

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Speaker 2: on with you, spoke to a Congresswoman, de Wie Wasserman Schultz.

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Speaker 2: She was on my show. She actually was in Israel

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Speaker 2: and then left and talked to us from Jordan. She

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Speaker 2: was also in Saudi Arabia, and her report is that

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Speaker 2: in talking to the Saudi government, talking to average Shaudi's

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Speaker 2: that they do not feel to TERRK that they feel

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Speaker 2: like they're still going to be on track. We'll see

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Speaker 2: other officials I've talked to, both on camera and off

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Speaker 2: or like, let's let's be realistic. This makes it more complicated,

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Speaker 2: So we'll see, we'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors. Now, when you

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Speaker 1: talk about folks like the congresswoman and even one of

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Speaker 1: your on the ground journalists, Clarissa Ward, I imagine most

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Speaker 1: of us have seen that video. You know she was

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Speaker 1: in the middle of a report when a missile attack happened.

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Speaker 1: How having been in the field so much and having

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Speaker 1: the sorts of connections and coworkers and sources that you do.

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Speaker 1: How are people managing to keep their composure when they're

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Speaker 1: caught in the middle of an active war zone. How

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Speaker 1: do organizations like CNN try to create safety for their employees.

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Speaker 1: There's the logistical stuff like that that sometimes when I

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Speaker 1: watch these reports, I just go, how are these people

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Speaker 1: doing this? And where are they going and who's watching

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Speaker 1: out for them?

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Speaker 2: It's such a good question. I mean, look, they have security,

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Speaker 2: but if you talk to any person who is an executive,

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Speaker 2: not just at CNN, but any news organization, they will

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Speaker 2: tell you that the number two thing that they are

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Speaker 2: worried about is getting the story. The number one thing

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Speaker 2: they're worried about is the safety of their employees. And

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Speaker 2: it is such a challenge. It's that balance of getting

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Speaker 2: in there, getting the story, but also not putting yourself

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Speaker 2: in an unnecessary Well, how do you define unnecessary in

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Speaker 2: danger that that can be avoided? And it's honestly, Sophia,

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Speaker 2: it's a minute by minute assessment. I am not a

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Speaker 2: war correspondent, so but I just know from talking to

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Speaker 2: my to my friends and colleagues who are there and

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Speaker 2: just being on the on the show end of it.

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Speaker 2: It is a minute by minute assessment. And when they

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Speaker 2: say it's not safe, we got to go down, we

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Speaker 2: can't come up live for you, it's no problem. That's it,

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Speaker 2: got it right, got it right. Take take their word

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Speaker 2: for it and follow their lead right well.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's so interesting to me is there's there's

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Speaker 1: such a need for coverage and journalism, especially in situations

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Speaker 1: as complex as this, so that we can understand what's happening.

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Speaker 1: And there's the real human element of you know, who's

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Speaker 1: going to risk their lives to do this. And it's

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Speaker 1: not lost on me that, as you said, you know,

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Speaker 1: citizens are being called into the military, people are trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out how to respond to humanitarian crises. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, get aid to people in Israel, get

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Speaker 1: aid to civilians in Gaza. It's trauma everywhere, and the

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Speaker 1: zoom out for me when I think about what do

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Speaker 1: we do, how do we get involved, how do we

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Speaker 1: support people? Interestingly, also brings me a little more locally

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Speaker 1: for us, particularly for you in Washington, because when you

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Speaker 1: talk about how our government is trying to analyze intelligence

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Speaker 1: and figure out how this happened, I can't help but

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Speaker 1: think about the fact that Tommy Tuberville has been blocking

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Speaker 1: confirmations to our military, so so many of our senior

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Speaker 1: positions are unstaffed, which everyone in our government says damages

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Speaker 1: our own national security, and our national security is also

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Speaker 1: part of global nation building and national security around the world.

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Speaker 1: How do we show up as humanitarian allies? How do

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Speaker 1: we get involved as a government when we have a

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Speaker 1: pending shutdown, no Speaker of the House and you know,

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Speaker 1: a member of the GOP who's never served in the

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Speaker 1: militaries blocking military confirmations, Like I feel like we are

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Speaker 1: less capable of being our best selves as a nation

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Speaker 1: because we're falling apart back home right now.

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Speaker 2: And the question is how vulnerable does it make America?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you hear people who are very concerned, particularly

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Speaker 2: members of Congress, say Luton is watching, she is watching.

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Speaker 2: And when there are when there's chaos or even things

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Speaker 2: are fragmented and pieces are not in place, all of

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Speaker 2: them that you just so eloquently described, it's does it

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Speaker 2: leave an opening for people who want to do his harm? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a robust

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Speaker 2: debate about various things, But it used to be, particularly

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Speaker 2: for Republicans just talking about Tommy Teverville. It was like

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Speaker 2: the reddest of red lines, like you did not mess

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Speaker 2: with military readiness, you would have been just marched out

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Speaker 2: of the party or even at a Washington. Yes, not

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Speaker 2: that long ago, and for very I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how. You know, you can talk about populism and

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Speaker 2: how how the Republican Party has changed, but it is

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Speaker 2: as somebody who has seen the uh, the evolution of

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Speaker 2: the GOP over John McCain his entire president will covered

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Speaker 2: him in the Senate and his entire presidential campaign from

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Speaker 2: when he was one of many Republican candidates for president

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven and eight, and then when

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Speaker 2: he was the Republican nominee, and then again you know,

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Speaker 2: when he was back in the Senate and he was

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Speaker 2: frankly a typical Republican and he was the epitome of

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Speaker 2: a Republican who was pro military and pro strength. And

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Speaker 2: then not long after, I don't know, the Iraq War

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Speaker 2: probably had something to do with it, but not long

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Speaker 2: after the tide started to turn and churn with Trump

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Speaker 2: and trump Ism. Who is America first? And why are

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Speaker 2: we fighting these wars abroad? And which is something that

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Speaker 2: you sort of heard from the left. It's like the

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Speaker 2: left and the right have met in the middle on

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Speaker 2: this question of national security.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, listen, everyone that I've ever listened to

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Speaker 1: who is an expert on national security also can prove

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Speaker 1: whether it's historically fiscally you know what, the global data

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Speaker 1: says that creating a more secure planet, supporting democracy around

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Speaker 1: the world also makes our country more secure and our

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Speaker 1: own democracy stronger. It's not an either or, It's about

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Speaker 1: global safety. And so I guess I wonder how how

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Speaker 1: we've been we perhaps not you and I, but so

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Speaker 1: many folks have been sold this idea that you have

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Speaker 1: to choose rather than create a diversification of work to

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Speaker 1: keep other people safe and us safe at the same time.

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Speaker 2: I think part of the issue that is a relatively

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Speaker 2: new phenomenon is sort of ginning people up and appealing

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Speaker 2: to I mean, this is we're going down a deep

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Speaker 2: rabbit hole here, but for a second, and this is

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Speaker 2: something that I really want to do more things on.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Jonah Goldberg, who's one of the

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Speaker 2: smartest people I know, and I just adore him. He's

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Speaker 2: a true conservative, and he actually ended up writing a

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Speaker 2: column about it, which I encourage people to go read.

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Speaker 2: And this I've heard this from people who've run major campaigns,

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Speaker 2: which is the search for and the desire and the

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Speaker 2: need for small dollar donations has contributed to the demise

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Speaker 2: of the body politic almost but it has certainly contributed

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Speaker 2: to the extremes and the extremism and the difficulty getting

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Speaker 2: together in the middle. And the reason is because how

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Speaker 2: do you get somebody who has limited funds but has

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Speaker 2: a lot of passion and is maybe only consuming information

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Speaker 2: in your ecosystem. Let's just say, if you're and conservative,

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Speaker 2: how do you get them to donate? You put the

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Speaker 2: most outrageous bit of mail in their inbox about the

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Speaker 2: most thing that's going to happen, and use language that

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Speaker 2: is so over the top so that you get that

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Speaker 2: five ten dollars. And by the way, getting that five

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Speaker 2: ten dollars also means that because of the caps on donations,

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Speaker 2: you can go back to them. So to go back

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Speaker 2: to them and even more outrageous email. We see it

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Speaker 2: on the left as well, on the extremes left and

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Speaker 2: the right. That doesn't happen in a vacuum. I mean

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Speaker 2: that helps contribute, helps contribute to the polarization that is

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Speaker 2: really seeping in right it takes but in America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see the polarization affecting not just the

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Speaker 1: ways PEO will believe we should spend our tax dollars

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Speaker 1: about ideology in a way that I mean, God, I

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Speaker 1: opened my Twitter account the other day to someone telling me,

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Speaker 1: I mean the wildest things about just how I am

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Speaker 1: such an evil person motivated by the wrong things because

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Speaker 1: I'm a Democrat and I'm like, listen, one party wants healthcare,

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Speaker 1: one doesn't. I'm a healthcare person. That's kind of how

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Speaker 1: I identify. And you just realize it's gone, like it's

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Speaker 1: gone so crazy. And I, much like you, I do

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Speaker 1: believe in sitting down with people that don't believe what

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Speaker 1: I believe so we can learn about each other. But

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Speaker 1: somehow we seem to have lost the willingness as a

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Speaker 1: collective to do that, and we seem to have lost

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Speaker 1: the ability to see other people as more than what

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Speaker 1: we've decided they are. And I wonder, would you say

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Speaker 1: that that's part of what's going on on the hill

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Speaker 1: right now? It feels like it, at least as a

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Speaker 1: spectator watching, you know, the ousting of McCarthy as speaker.

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Speaker 1: Can you kind of explain to folks at home what

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Speaker 1: happened this week?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I will, I will, And as I described that,

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Speaker 2: I just want to. I mean, because I feel like

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Speaker 2: maybe somebody listening to this is going to go need

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Speaker 2: to take like O xanax or something. So I want

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Speaker 2: to actually inject some positivity here.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I want some positivity. It's heavy week.

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Speaker 1: Please give it to me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because let's just talk about talk about Washington. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you look at the numbers on the speakers vote. It

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Speaker 2: was overwhelming. I don't do math, which is why I'm

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Speaker 2: in TV news, but like an overwhelming percentage of House

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Speaker 2: Republicans did not want to push out their speaker. It

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Speaker 2: was eight eight people. But because the majority is only four,

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Speaker 2: like that was that was the math. That's that's even

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Speaker 2: math that I can do. So so they so that

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Speaker 2: is the reality. Now here's the positive, positive thing that

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Speaker 2: I'll talk about, which is there are friendships across the

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Speaker 2: aisle in Washington. There are discussions across the aisle. There

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Speaker 2: are there is legislation that is worked on quietly across

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Speaker 2: the quietly, so they don't get kicked out of them

649
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Speaker 2: by people in their own parties and maybe get primaried.

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Speaker 2: But it does happen every single day in various corners

651
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Speaker 2: of Washington, that people talk and deal across the aisle.

652
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Speaker 2: It's just that the loudest voices, and in the case

653
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Speaker 2: of the speaker's vote, people with enough of a Twitter

654
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Speaker 2: following or an Instagram following or an email list have

655
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Speaker 2: the ability to disrupt. And when you have a very

656
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Speaker 2: small majority, you don't need a lot to And I'm

657
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Speaker 2: not saying that people within the Republican Party didn't have,

658
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Speaker 2: from their perspective, legitimate rights about Kevin McCarthy, But it's

659
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Speaker 2: the notion of just being able to kick him out

660
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Speaker 2: of his job without having a plan B is what

661
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Speaker 2: is disruptive to the way that the process works and

662
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Speaker 2: the way that the government works right now as we

663
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Speaker 2: speak is not working.

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Speaker 1: And now a word from our wonderful sponsors, So can

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Speaker 1: you explain a little bit for the rest of us

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Speaker 1: what the real ramifications of this are. I mean, voting

667
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Speaker 1: McCarthy out while we're approaching the government shut down that

668
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: the GOP has been threatening. What does it mean? What

669
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Speaker 1: does it mean to not have a Speaker for the

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Speaker 1: first time, and what does it mean for how the

671
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Speaker 1: government is or is not going to continue to.

672
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Speaker 2: Function well in the short term. It means that whatever

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00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: discussions that the Republican majority in the House was having,

674
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Speaker 2: or more importantly, the work that many in the Republican

675
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: Conference demanded to be done on the individual spending bills.

676
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 2: On the surface, this is about spending. And I say,

677
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Speaker 2: on the surface, there are lots of different factors, but

678
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Speaker 2: on the surface, kicking McCarthy out was about spending and

679
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: the fact that he made a deal with Joe Biden

680
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: about spending levels that the fiscal conservatives client felt some

681
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: of them. I don't want to suggest that they're not genuine,

682
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: because some of them truly are fiscal conservatives and they

683
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 2: didn't like that there wasn't more of a cut and spending.

684
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: But if that is their goal, then what do they

685
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: want to do. They want to or should want to

686
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: work on legislation for each their twelve thirteen spending bills

687
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: for each part of the government. They should want to

688
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 2: work on those like right now to figure out how

689
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Speaker 2: to cut spending in the way that is legitimate and

690
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: is more that they're cutting fat, not bone. Let's just

691
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Speaker 2: say that on a lot of these agencies, they can't

692
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Speaker 2: do that right now, Sophia, because they're not functioning, because

693
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Speaker 2: I don't want a speaker so heat the committees. I mean,

694
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Speaker 2: maybe they're quietly talking, they're quietly, you know, trying to

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Speaker 2: figure it out. They're pretending like what's going on at

696
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Speaker 2: the top of the of the food chain. There is

697
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Speaker 2: not happening, But there's really not a whole lot they

698
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Speaker 2: can do, and so it's delaying the very goal and

699
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Speaker 2: making it harder to achieve the very goal that a

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Speaker 2: lot of these conservatives say is the reason why they

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Speaker 2: yeah in the first place.

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Speaker 1: How do the conservatives explain why they're willing to shut

703
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Speaker 1: the government down over their desired cuts to spending programs

704
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Speaker 1: like you know, chips and other things that literally support children,

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Speaker 1: the child tax credit, funding for education, but they were

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Speaker 1: okay giving a trillion dollar tax cut to the wealthiest

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Speaker 1: in America. How does a party explain that when most

708
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Speaker 1: of their voters are living paycheck to paycheck.

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Speaker 2: It's a very different governing philosophy and fiscal philosophy. Look,

710
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: not every conservative wants to cut chicks, but the governing

711
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: and the approach to how involved government should be is

712
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: quite different. Their idea, and that you can debate this

713
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: for two days straight, is if you cut taxes and

714
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Speaker 2: you put more money in the hands of the businesses

715
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Speaker 2: and of people who have money, then it will trickle down.

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Speaker 2: The argument with the Democrats make is that's not a thing.

717
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: That's not a thing that actually happens in real life.

718
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Speaker 2: And they're in lies. One of the many debates that

719
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Speaker 2: the parties have. You know what, Sofia, I have to

720
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Speaker 2: tell you that I would much rather see a debate

721
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Speaker 2: about these policies then listen to people tell lies about

722
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Speaker 2: election interference.

723
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Speaker 1: I agree.

724
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Speaker 2: I mean, at least they're debating ideas. It's ugly and messy,

725
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: and it's bumpy, and it's all of those things, but

726
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: it's about like policy. There they're talking about policy. Look,

727
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: some of it is personal. Some of the Republicans who

728
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Speaker 2: got rid of Kevin McCarthy did it because they were

729
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 2: just mad at him so worrying about see it. It

730
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Speaker 2: was revenge for whatever reason.

731
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Speaker 1: But this, this is what, at least for me as

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Speaker 1: a you know, a voter, really stresses me out is

733
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Speaker 1: that we seem to have lost the plot on how

734
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Speaker 1: to make the country better for everyone, and now everyone

735
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Speaker 1: just wants to win, and even the fact that you know, look,

736
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Speaker 1: I don't like the guy. To be clear, my personal

737
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Speaker 1: opinion doesn't matter who agrees with me or not. I'm

738
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Speaker 1: not a fan of Kevin McCarthy. I don't like the

739
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Speaker 1: way he has supported a lot of what feels deeply

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Speaker 1: anti democratic and anti American to me personally as a voter.

741
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Speaker 1: And you know, I live in California, so here we are.

742
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Speaker 1: But what's wild to me is to see his ousting

743
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Speaker 1: and then people in the party talking about how they

744
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: want to elect Donald Trump Speaker of the House, even

745
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Speaker 1: though the Republicans have a rule that you can't be

746
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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House if you've been indicted. So but

747
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: we know that they love to go around their own rules,

748
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Speaker 1: like you know, for example, with the Supreme Court. So

749
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Speaker 1: it feels like we are descending into real personal chaos,

750
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Speaker 1: which is stressful for our government. Do you think that

751
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Speaker 1: the chaos around this speaker issue will make it more

752
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Speaker 1: likely that we do have a shutdown after the next deadline?

753
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Speaker 2: I mean maybe because one of the issues. Maybe that's

754
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Speaker 2: the honest answer, maybe even into possibly maybe even I'll

755
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Speaker 2: dip my toe into probably, because it just depends on

756
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Speaker 2: who the speaker is. One of the last straw for

757
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Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy with many of those eight was agreeing to

758
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Speaker 2: keep the government open and do it with democratic votes.

759
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Speaker 2: Because of the narrow Republican majority. You're talking four or

760
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Speaker 2: five votes, It is not it's almost impossible to believe

761
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Speaker 2: that a government, that the government can stay open without

762
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Speaker 2: democratic votes. So then that that poses the question is

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Speaker 2: that is this whole thing going to happen to the

764
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Speaker 2: next speaker if they allow that, and are we going

765
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Speaker 2: to be in the same cycle or is it just

766
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Speaker 2: because people were just like done with Kevin McCarthy and

767
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Speaker 2: that it was so personal that maybe the answer is no,

768
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Speaker 2: we don't. These are all unanswerable questions right now, and

769
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Speaker 2: you know it's mid October, we're talking about a month

770
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Speaker 2: from now.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, do you do you have thoughts on who might

772
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Speaker 1: be the next Speaker of the House or do you

773
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Speaker 1: not want to speculate?

774
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, we know who's running Jordan and Steve Scalise,

775
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Speaker 2: and as of this moment when we're talking, neither of

776
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Speaker 2: them has the two seventeen. I guess it's two seventeen.

777
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Speaker 2: Right now, it become speaker because our Speaker of the

778
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Speaker 2: House is a constitutional position. It is not the lead

779
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Speaker 2: leader of a party, in which case you only need

780
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Speaker 2: the majority of your own party. You need the majority

781
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Speaker 2: of the sitting House of Representatives, and right now they

782
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Speaker 2: don't have it. Is it possible that somebody drops out

783
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Speaker 2: and that changes. Sure, you still have the moderates or

784
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: the people who were okay with Kevin McCarthy saying we're

785
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 2: not voting for anybody because we want McCarthy back in there.

786
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 2: I interviewed Mike Lawler, a Republican from New York, over

787
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Speaker 2: the weekend, and he's on McCarthy and he that's what

788
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Speaker 2: he wants. So when you can only afford to lose

789
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Speaker 2: because they can't rely on Democrats, I don't want to

790
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Speaker 2: begrudge democrats. I mean, it's understandable Democrats when they were

791
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Speaker 2: in the majority, they couldn't rely on Republicans to vote

792
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Speaker 2: for Nancy Pelosi either, so she's not the way it works.

793
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Speaker 2: So because they can't rely on Democrats, they have to

794
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Speaker 2: have a true consensus person who can get two hundred

795
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Speaker 2: and seventeen, which means they can only whomever this Republican

796
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Speaker 2: is can only lose less than a handful right Republicans right.

797
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Speaker 1: And to your point, you know, some of the things

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Speaker 1: that we used to think were the rules have gone

799
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Speaker 1: out the window. You know the fact that the leading

800
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Speaker 1: likely leading nominee for the Republican Party has been indicted

801
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: more times than any of us can count on, you know,

802
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: high financial crimes and fraud and you know, defrauding the government.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it is wild to me to

804
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Speaker 1: read up on what's going on with with these you know,

805
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: trials with Trump. And then you've got someone who's qualified

806
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Speaker 1: as Secretary Clinton saying yeah, he's probably going to get

807
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: the nomination. You know, she said she thinks Biden can

808
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Speaker 1: beat him. Do you think that's going to be our

809
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four showdown? Do you do you think that's

810
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Speaker 1: what we're important.

811
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Speaker 2: I just want to say that that I'm out at

812
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Speaker 2: the prediction business, so I get we'll see. I will

813
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 2: tell you you're reporting base done. What everybody else thinks

814
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: in the Republicans I'm talking to, which is it's hard

815
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: to see anybody winning other than Donald Trump for the

816
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: Republican nomination. To change, could something happen? I mean, but

817
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: it's hard to see right now.

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Speaker 1: And what do you think happens if as these trials unfold?

819
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Speaker 1: I mean, if he's found guilty, it'll be unprecedented. Obviously,

820
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Speaker 1: what do we do.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be up to the voters. Yeah, there

822
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Speaker 2: are these moves in some states too, just to ban

823
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Speaker 2: him from the ballot in that case, but those are

824
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Speaker 2: long and drawn out and very tricky cases to win.

825
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: Even Democratic secretaries of state are saying, we can't keep

826
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Speaker 2: him from the ballot. It's just not legal. So it

827
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Speaker 2: that is a thing. It's going to have to go

828
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Speaker 2: through the ports. And unprecedented is a word that we

829
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Speaker 2: keep using, and we got to just get used to

830
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Speaker 2: saying it because it's going to be used in so

831
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Speaker 2: many different ways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean when we think about that, you know,

833
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: the wildness of these times in our own politics, the

834
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Speaker 1: destabilization we see around the world. We talked about this

835
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Speaker 1: at the beginning, But in your job, you always have

836
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Speaker 1: to stay informed, and there's so much happening all the time,

837
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Speaker 1: and we are more connected, you know, thanks to these things,

838
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: our phones, our computers were more connected than we've ever

839
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Speaker 1: been before, and knowing about everything going on is literally

840
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Speaker 1: your job as a person. When you get to pull

841
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Speaker 1: back from all of this from the commentary, prediction, coverage, writing, producing,

842
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Speaker 1: do you ever get to detach from your phone? Like

843
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Speaker 1: do you ever, just like for Dana, do you ever

844
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Speaker 1: get a miss it where you can turn it off?

845
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Speaker 2: I try, I mean, listen, I try to do it

846
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: when I'm having dinner with my son. I try to

847
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Speaker 2: do it when I'm watching One Tree Hill.

848
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Speaker 1: Now that was that was for your producer.

849
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Speaker 2: I try to do it when I am, you know,

850
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Speaker 2: at a baseball game or something. But it's hard. Do

851
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Speaker 2: I ever turn my ringer off or turn my phone

852
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 2: off when I go to sleep? Never? Never, ever, ever,

853
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: ever ever, because you know, it's a Saturday morning, like

854
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 2: what happened this past week, and I wake up and

855
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: it's can you go in because Mama's just attacked Israel?

856
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Speaker 2: Or god forbid, I've woken up in the middle of

857
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Speaker 2: the night when uh, well, god forbid it happened when

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Speaker 2: a former president died, or when things along those lines

859
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Speaker 2: just happen unexpectedly, and it's listen, it's what we signed

860
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Speaker 2: up for, it's what we do. Uh. But there certainly

861
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: are moments when I really try to tune up and

862
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: I am all in on any form of scripted television documentaries.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like streaming television was made for me and

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Speaker 2: me only.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Is there something because so many people

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Speaker 1: ask me this and I feel like I don't have

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Speaker 1: the answer yet, but I so look up to you

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Speaker 1: in the way you move in the world. Is there

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Speaker 1: something that helps you with balance, with calm, with some

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Speaker 1: sort of practice where you find a little bit of

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Speaker 1: peace amidst this wildly sort of stressful and always on

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Speaker 1: life you live.

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Speaker 2: I wish I had a good answer. I'm not. I

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Speaker 2: don't meditate because it stresses me out. Me too, I've tried,

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Speaker 2: and I need to try again because you know people

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Speaker 2: who meditate and once you get it, it's really good

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Speaker 2: for you. But for the most part, when I try

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Speaker 2: to meditate, I'm so stressed about not meditating, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: does it happen to you?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't. Yeah, I feel I just

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Speaker 1: feel like I'm doing it wrong, and then it makes everything.

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Speaker 2: Worse serious character flawed, that like I can't even do

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Speaker 2: thetation right. But uh so, No, I do think that

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Speaker 2: just checking in with as being a mom is a

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Speaker 2: is a huge thing. And you can very you very quickly,

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Speaker 2: very easily get out of your own self and get

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Speaker 2: out of your own head when you have a kid

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Speaker 2: who doesn't really care what you're doing, what you did,

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Speaker 2: and because they want to know where their pleats are

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Speaker 2: and if they don't have their cleats, they want to

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Speaker 2: know why you don't know where their plats are of course,

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Speaker 2: and uh, and so that that quickly takes you out

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Speaker 2: of yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good way to come back to present. I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do have vices, like online shopping,

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Speaker 2: which is so dangerous. What are your fast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely. I can really get caught in a

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Speaker 1: scroll hole, like I really I'm at that term. Oh,

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Speaker 1: a scroll hole. It's yeah, because it's like I'm addicted

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Speaker 1: to the news. I need to know what's happening, and

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Speaker 1: then it stresses me out and then I can't look

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Speaker 1: away or yeah, like I'll you know, I'll like the

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Speaker 1: doorbell rings and ups shows up and I'm like, what

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Speaker 1: what did I do? Why did I order? I'm not

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Speaker 1: even going anywhere. It's terrible, but it's like it's not

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Speaker 1: a real thing. If I don't go into a store,

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Speaker 1: I didn't really do it, So that's that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's so true.

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Speaker 1: It's terrible. I'm working on quitting it for sure. I

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Speaker 1: wish I had quiet quit online shopping during the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what.

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Speaker 2: That's so funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we'll get there. Maybe we'll learn to meditate

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Speaker 1: and stop ordering things off of the internet.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: All right, goals for you and I for this election season, Dana,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'm watching the clock. I know,

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Speaker 1: I know we've gone a little over. I just I

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Speaker 1: adore you. I really appreciate your perspective.

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Speaker 2: You are so freaking smart.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're so kind.

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Speaker 2: No, it's true, you're so smart. Thank you. Such a

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Speaker 2: great conversation. You made my You made my brain work,

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Speaker 2: and you actually made me think of things that I

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Speaker 2: probably should be doing more about my show. So thank you.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's like that like makes me a

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Speaker 1: little emotional. Thank you. Well, next time I'm in DC,

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Speaker 1: I hope I get to see you, And if there's

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Speaker 1: ever anything I can do. I can't imagine there's much

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Speaker 1: like space for civilians on your show, But if you

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Speaker 1: ever need anything. I'm always I'm always here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. I would be remiss if I

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Speaker 2: didn't say get excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we got to get excited.

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Speaker 2: A's a nod to our friend, Mark, dearest.

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Speaker 1: Mark, who gave us the greatest rallying cry of all time.

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Speaker 1: I love nothing more than when I get a video

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Speaker 1: of the two of you driving around DC shouting get excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm like God, It's just made my day.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Sophia, Thank you, honey.

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to you soon. So many people have been

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Speaker 1: asking for trusted resources where we can support citizens on

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Speaker 1: the ground in Israel, citizens on the ground in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: There are so many civilians who have been put in

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Speaker 1: harms way by this conflict, and it is absolutely devastating.

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Speaker 1: So I really just want to thank Dana for giving

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Speaker 1: us a great hub to go to. If you visit

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Speaker 1: CNN dot com slash Impact your World, you can find

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Speaker 1: vetted and trusted solutions and organizations that are doing the

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Speaker 1: work to support the people who do not deserve to

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Speaker 1: be caught in the crosshairs of this conflict, but sadly are,

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Speaker 1: so please visit the website for more