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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the pod. We are presented by Windvett.

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Speaker 1: Benny is a team sport but together at Windvett, Eric

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Speaker 1: Gallen here down in Mobile, Alabama joined but Jets defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator Jeff all Brick. How different is this senior Bold

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Speaker 1: now in two thousand twenty two then maybe when you

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Speaker 1: came out in two thousands. I would say, for one,

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Speaker 1: the I don't want to see the caliber of players,

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Speaker 1: because who knows when you assess the college player what

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Speaker 1: he will become in the NFL. But definitely the the

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Speaker 1: highest regarded guys, the guys that potentially could go in

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Speaker 1: the first round, there's not as many of those guys

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Speaker 1: for whatever the reason, you know, maybe that's agent influence

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Speaker 1: or um, whatever the case may be. But a little

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Speaker 1: bit less of the premier first round most hyped up

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Speaker 1: prospects aren't necessarily here that Other than that, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's football, you know, And and I think it's in

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Speaker 1: this whole build up to the draft, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: all these opportunities to assess these players. You know, we

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Speaker 1: go to the combine, we see him run, we see

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Speaker 1: him jump, arm lengths, the whole deal, you know, And

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Speaker 1: then Obviously, the scouting department's got four years of of

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Speaker 1: evaluating the character of the man and you know what

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Speaker 1: they're all about. Um, but this is like a real

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Speaker 1: opportunity for us to assess the football part, you know,

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Speaker 1: and and run football drills, run uh for us, you know, defensively,

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Speaker 1: run an NFL defense and um get our hands on them.

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Speaker 1: So in my opinion, this is invaluable, especially for a

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Speaker 1: team like like ours, that is that is you know,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say rebuilding, but we're definitely um in the

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Speaker 1: starting point of building something special. What did it mean

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Speaker 1: for you coming out of Hawaii when you got here

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Speaker 1: in that week? And can you talk about the personnel

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Speaker 1: that it was actually assembled here? Yeah, it was I

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Speaker 1: want to say that, and I might be wrong, but

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Speaker 1: it was like thirty of the thirty two first round

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Speaker 1: picks the year that I came here played in this game.

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Speaker 1: You know. Just my linebacker group alone was uh, Brian

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Speaker 1: list goes on and on and the guys that participate

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Speaker 1: in the game. But it was for a one year

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Speaker 1: starter out of Hawaii that never thought that you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously had the dream of NFL, but never thought that

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Speaker 1: it would, you know, really materialize, you know. There was

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Speaker 1: so much doubt, you know, and and all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden you're thrown into this, this group of players that

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm a huge fan of football, you know,

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Speaker 1: just like I played it. So I was a huge

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Speaker 1: fan of a lot of these guys and and um,

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Speaker 1: so it was really exciting. It was just you know,

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Speaker 1: it was an amazing opportunity to see can I do

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Speaker 1: this or not? You know, And and for myself it

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Speaker 1: was without this game, I don't get drafted in the

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Speaker 1: third round. I absolutely believe that. And I absolutely believe

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Speaker 1: that's the truth. Gave me an opportunity to show him

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Speaker 1: that I could play, and I could play with the

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Speaker 1: top guys, John Abraham at two Great Jets, two Great Jets,

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Speaker 1: four first round picks in two thousand, John Abraham and

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Speaker 1: Sean Allis of course, ye, Pennington, Anthony Back that was

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Speaker 1: I think Pennington was in the game as well, and

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Speaker 1: Beck was in the game as well. There you go, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was in the game. So when you look around

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Speaker 1: what do you see in the rides? There's obviously like

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Speaker 1: a high level of anxiousness and nervousness and um. And

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Speaker 1: then you've got the other guys that some of it's

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Speaker 1: it is just posturing and trying to you know it.

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Speaker 1: It's so different and and I don't want to like

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Speaker 1: go off on a tangent here, but the but the

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Speaker 1: agents have prepped these guys at such a high level

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Speaker 1: nowadays too. The football stuff that's obvious, that's always been

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Speaker 1: part of the preparation for Senior Bowl Draft, the whole process.

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Speaker 1: But now I mean they're getting taught how to how

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Speaker 1: you heard, when you you heard you guys have been

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Speaker 1: you like to have a little bit a downtime. I

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Speaker 1: know you love ball for sure, you got family, for sure,

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Speaker 1: because you said the Jets are building something special. You

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Speaker 1: do have nine draft picks in the two thousand two draft,

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Speaker 1: two in the top ten, a pair in rounds one,

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Speaker 1: So every bit information that we can gather is huge.

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Speaker 1: people think it's just an opportunity to assess, and that's

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Speaker 1: part of the process. But I think it's just as

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Speaker 1: important to eliminate people. You know, maybe the personality, the

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Speaker 1: just as important as you eliminate certain people to This

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Speaker 1: is fascinating this year because there are staff evaluations. You

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Speaker 1: are the defensive coordinator, but you're not at the defensive

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Speaker 1: And can you tell us about Rudy? Yeah, Rudy is

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Speaker 1: excellent coach, excellent teacher. He coaches the linebackers for the Jets. Um,

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Speaker 1: So take us behind closed doors. What can you tell

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Speaker 1: us he didn't take well? He he put his own

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Speaker 1: great opportunity for these guys, like I know Rudy, some guys,

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Speaker 1: Like he was really excited about this opportunity, taking very

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Speaker 1: this for sure. What's it like playing for you? Because

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Speaker 1: everybody talks about juice. Whenever you hear the name Brick,

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Speaker 1: people say he brings the juice on the field in

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Speaker 1: the classroom. You'd have to ask others, you know, like

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Speaker 1: I do love this game. Um, it's absolutely you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's been a huge part of my life playing coaching.

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Speaker 1: It's it's afforded me so many opportunities, not just financially,

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Speaker 1: would have never known otherwise, you know, from every walk

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Speaker 1: all that it's given me. What do guys have to

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Speaker 1: not going to tolerate for a player because you played yourself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to me, it's just emptying the tank every day, like

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Speaker 1: the all gas, no break, which is Roberts you know

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Speaker 1: how I operate, you know. So, uh, whether it's meetings,

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Speaker 1: whether it's walked through, whether it's night before prep, whether

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be golden with me, you know. Like, to me,

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Speaker 1: that's the process. As long as we're committed to the

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Speaker 1: live with whatever those results. So are you know, do

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Speaker 1: you bring teach tape out of yourself? Absolutely? Not ever

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Speaker 1: and if they did, some of the guys, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: Raheem Morris. When we were in Atlanta, he would do

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Speaker 1: And then he finds this clip of me standing straight

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Speaker 1: you know, But but he definitely got a laugh at it.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, the honest truth is, and it's

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Speaker 1: not me trying to be humble or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: I was a very average player. You know, like my

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Speaker 1: one one seven yea. Can you talk about your career,

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Speaker 1: you speak to that last game in Buffalo, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: closed the regular season, and and obviously again the results,

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Speaker 1: the final results not there in terms of winning, but

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Speaker 1: I believe there's a stretch there. Seven out of eight possessions,

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Speaker 1: NFL one of the most explosive offenses. What did it

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Speaker 1: say about your group? Yeah, that that they they're starting

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Speaker 1: to get it. You know, they're starting to learn it, um,

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Speaker 1: starting to apply it. And and what's really cool is

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Speaker 1: they started to, like with them starting to understand at

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Speaker 1: a higher level, obviously, they started to have a little

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Speaker 1: bit more success and you started to finally feel the

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Speaker 1: confidence in what we were doing, you know, and how

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Speaker 1: we're doing it. So um, it was just a glimpse

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Speaker 1: of just a glimmer of of what we can become

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Speaker 1: when we get better at this. And we had a

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Speaker 1: few pieces obviously through the free agency, in the draft,

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Speaker 1: and and uh, just stack another year of doing what

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Speaker 1: we do and we'll add little caveats and some wrinkles

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Speaker 1: and some some nuances here and there, but at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, we're gonna do what we do.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go to the team met here in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But let's go rapid fire on a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: How good of a player can Carl Aweson be in

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Speaker 1: this defense? Because we were out there in the spring

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Speaker 1: and the summer and I was telling people this guy

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Speaker 1: was by far and away the best player in the

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Speaker 1: football field. Yeah, I agree he. Uh, most fronts in

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Speaker 1: the NFL are read are They react to the blocking schemes,

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Speaker 1: They react to the man in front of them. So

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Speaker 1: there's a level of hesitation no matter how you know

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Speaker 1: the defense and how many reps and time and tests

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Speaker 1: that you had. Um, this front is not built in

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Speaker 1: that way. This front is based on everything is on

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Speaker 1: our terms, and we are going forward and we are attacking.

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Speaker 1: And I think it is absolutely Taylor made for call

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Speaker 1: also because he is. That's how he's built. That's what

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Speaker 1: his DNA is all about anyway. So, Um, for a

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Speaker 1: guy to not have to read, not have to sit

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Speaker 1: in a frog stance and and catch and step laterally

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Speaker 1: and and react to the man in front of him,

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Speaker 1: he's putting things on his terms. And when things are

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Speaker 1: in his terms. I thought this offseason, like you had said,

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Speaker 1: for the guys that were out there and saw it

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Speaker 1: and felt it like like I don't want to throw

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Speaker 1: so much smoke at him, but it's like he looked

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Speaker 1: unblockable at times. Mosley any surprised at all. You're a

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Speaker 1: guy who played the game at the highest level and

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Speaker 1: you've coached up a lot of very good players. But

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions I think externally after Hey,

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Speaker 1: he basically hasn't played in two years. Um. He he

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Speaker 1: is one of the most special football players I've ever

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Speaker 1: been around. He is. His level of anticipation and his

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Speaker 1: instinct is just it's just so unique. Like he's one

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Speaker 1: of those guys that is consistently inching two plays before

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Speaker 1: the ball snapped, like he just has inherent sense of

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Speaker 1: where it's going. Um. And it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: that's absolutely earned. It's not like he just hoacaxed focused

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Speaker 1: and he's just gonna got a feeling like he's put

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Speaker 1: the time on the films, the He's just a relentless

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Speaker 1: worker in that way. So from that standpoint, amazing. Um.

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Speaker 1: The level of toughness, like say what you want. Guys

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Speaker 1: that really get paid in this league, and he's one

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Speaker 1: of those guys that really got paid and well deserved

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Speaker 1: every penny that he makes, they don't throw it around

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Speaker 1: the same typically, you know, like they gained a higher

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Speaker 1: level of consciousness for their their health, um which every

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Speaker 1: human being can understand. He is not that Like this

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Speaker 1: guy throws around his body like like he's a fifteen

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Speaker 1: year old play in high school football, like and he's

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Speaker 1: he's trying to earn a scholarship. Like he is so hungry,

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Speaker 1: so tough. That's the way you played though. Uh he

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Speaker 1: he is ten times better than the player I ever was.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not talking about athletically. I'm just saying, is

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Speaker 1: that you that I tried to and and the best

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Speaker 1: part about him is his level other than the playing

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Speaker 1: that's obvious, but the level of humility and the teammate

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Speaker 1: that he is is something that unless you're really around him,

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Speaker 1: you can't appreciate because everybody's heard about it. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: the fans have heard about it. Me as a fan

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Speaker 1: of him, I had heard about it when he was

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo or when he was in Baltimore, and um,

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Speaker 1: I was where it was at. But the the man

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Speaker 1: is what you gained the strongest appreciation for when you're

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Speaker 1: around him, because he's just he's so humble. He's such

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Speaker 1: a great teammate, is such a good human being. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's just he said, one of his proudest moments was

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Speaker 1: changing the play. I've never been around something like that.

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Speaker 1: Like I've seen guys you build in audibles within the

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Speaker 1: game plan and empty checks and information checks and we

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Speaker 1: all have done that. Everyone's done that, and we do that.

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Speaker 1: But he went completely off script, like it was not

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Speaker 1: in the game plan, It wasn't even discussed on the sideline.

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Speaker 1: Changed it, it worked, it was, it was. But you're

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Speaker 1: such a competitor. Was there every moment where like what

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Speaker 1: the hell are you doing? Hell no, Like I got

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Speaker 1: He's one of those he's that he's earn that right.

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Speaker 1: He's one of those few guys that like, um, if

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Speaker 1: you saw it, you felt it, like I'm right with you,

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Speaker 1: and we believe in it a great like one of

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Speaker 1: the billions of stories people have probably heard about him.

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Speaker 1: But um, my wife she broke her ankle last offseason,

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Speaker 1: like right before summer break, and she had to get

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Speaker 1: a whole surgery on her plates. The whole thing was

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Speaker 1: it was and I'm I'm we're out. We're walking out

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Speaker 1: the practice one day and I just told him, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that she she broke her ankle, she's gonna be um,

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Speaker 1: you know, she's gonna be off her feet for five

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Speaker 1: or six weeks or whatever, like unsolicited, without saying anything.

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Speaker 1: The next day, I walked into my office. There's a

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Speaker 1: wheelchair sitting there, and he had brought her a wheelchair

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Speaker 1: from home. I never heard that story before. It's just

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Speaker 1: a small, little like window into his world and just

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Speaker 1: the man that he is. How about the young corners.

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Speaker 1: Everybody said, you guys were crazy, but you go out

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Speaker 1: there and play with them, and Bryce Hall really developed.

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Speaker 1: In year two, Brandon Nuckles comes up with two interceptions,

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Speaker 1: including a pick six. The number of past defenses you got,

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Speaker 1: Michael Carter the second steps into one of the most

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Speaker 1: difficult positions all football. What can you say about that group? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was really proud of the ways the guys progressed

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Speaker 1: and what they had they had become at the end

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Speaker 1: of that season. I mean it, it is the maybe

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Speaker 1: the hardest position in football to play as a young player,

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Speaker 1: you know, without the without the reps, without the time

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Speaker 1: on task, without the experience like which none of them had,

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Speaker 1: you know, and um, and they ended up becoming NFL

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Speaker 1: corners by the end of the season, which was really

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Speaker 1: cool to see, especially for three guys that UM built

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Speaker 1: in the same way that that that CJ is in

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Speaker 1: that way just so humble, come to work every day,

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Speaker 1: work their butt off, UM and doing it without a

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Speaker 1: real model of They really didn't have a vet in

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Speaker 1: front of them to kind of show them the way,

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Speaker 1: because they're kind of paving their own way as they went,

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Speaker 1: which is gonna be a little bit more challenging at times. UM,

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Speaker 1: But I really felt like like by the end of

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Speaker 1: the season, I'm like, we can we can play with

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Speaker 1: about anybody out there right now with this, with this group,

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Speaker 1: you know, so it's exciting to see. I think, you

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Speaker 1: gotta get out of here, but I really enjoyed this.

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Speaker 1: We gotta catch up again because I want to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about the Atlantic connection and Michael

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Speaker 1: Fleur and you met the Scars before. Uh what a

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Speaker 1: close group, and you guys carrying this on here with

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Speaker 1: the Jets. But I really enjoyed Yeah, me too, enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks