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Speaker 2: US officials restate they're trying to degrade the capabilities of

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Speaker 3: So according to the White House, the strikes that we

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Speaker 4: The other one was for the Houthis attack and the ships.

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Speaker 3: But I gotta believe it's all died together in a Hey,

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Speaker 4: Stop messing with us message, because whoever you are and

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Speaker 3: The way, Iran has put out a message in the

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Complicated situation, no matter how we try to simplify it.

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Speaker 5: To discuss all of the above, please welcome Mike Lions,

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Speaker 5: military analysts for CNN among other outlets.

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Speaker 4: Mike, it's always.

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Speaker 5: A pleasure of what's your take on the latest e.

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Speaker 6: Everyone, guys. I think it's a good start. The terms

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Speaker 6: what no one's talking about is an attack that was

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Speaker 6: Clearly the Houthis were going after them proactively, which is

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Speaker 6: And then I thought what we did was good from

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Speaker 3: Well, is there anything you would like to see next

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Speaker 6: Well, I think that you know, the second that we

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Speaker 5: Mike, as a conservative talk show host, my job is

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Speaker 4: But I have a feeling there's more going on than

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Speaker 5: And I read some analysis in the Wall Street journalier're

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Speaker 4: Much control of them as Sola Moni had.

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Speaker 5: So I just I find myself picturing Iran through back

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Speaker 6: It might, There might be something to that the back

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Speaker 3: Well, how about the other side of it, since we

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Speaker 4: You hit Iran hard, and they.

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Speaker 4: Outs feet again, yeah man.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, if I get on this side

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and they've been at civil war now for the

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Speaker 5: You know, Mike, I'd love to see you side by

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Speaker 6: You know, it is. I've talked to my son about it,

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Speaker 6: of that obviously, so again, the economics behind what's going

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Speaker 6: on hasn't impacted yet, but I think show.

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Speaker 5: Mike Lions, military analyst for CNN. Mike, we appreciate the

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Speaker 5: time very much.

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Speaker 6: Thanks, Thanks guys for me Armstrong and Getty