Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: And welcome back to another episode of No Sellings Podcast
Speaker 2: with your hosts now fuck that with your loaw glasses Malone.
Speaker 3: We don't ask me no money questions.
Speaker 1: Why I can't ask you no money questions?
Speaker 4: Ask them all the questions. Nah fuck that, Ask him
Speaker 4: all the questions and let him, you know, let him cut.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Is I didn't even have you here to ask you
Speaker 2: any questions. I was gonna share a conversation with you
Speaker 2: on game banging, personal politics or no overall, just overall,
Speaker 2: I don't. I might care about your personal trip. We
Speaker 2: all got our own personal trip.
Speaker 3: I'm just not trying to my thing right now, my microphone,
Speaker 3: you know, like right now, Mom is telling me to
Speaker 3: stay clear of all this internet controversial bullshit.
Speaker 1: No, I don't do that. That's not what I do.
Speaker 2: That's not what no Selings is about, right, No Sillers
Speaker 2: is like like a like a like a like an
Speaker 2: exploration in a dark cave of culture all the time. Right,
Speaker 2: And it ain't like like you see on the internet
Speaker 2: people like I don't that does no good for me,
Speaker 2: Like I spend more time getting in trouble for explaining
Speaker 2: to people how much is like Friday versus boys in
Speaker 2: the Hood. I mean, how many days it's just kicking
Speaker 2: it and chilling saga. You grew up in the eighties,
Speaker 2: you know what it's like, no ladies, and you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, it's the same thing. And I was
Speaker 2: I always tell Pete this, and every time Pete is
Speaker 2: on the podcast as somebody else making me think I'm crazy,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't get what the fuck everybody
Speaker 2: talking about. You know what I'm saying is like, don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, Kiki, Like it was a question asked
Speaker 2: to me, and this You're the perfect person I had
Speaker 2: this conversation with. They wanted me to say that violence
Speaker 2: is a part of game banging culture and I told
Speaker 2: him it's not.
Speaker 5: Did you hear how.
Speaker 3: That answer was the circle?
Speaker 2: But the circle is even a press, right, It's like
Speaker 2: even a put on, it ain't quite what everybody make
Speaker 2: it like it is.
Speaker 3: Nah, But you know what, by the time a put
Speaker 3: on come on, you've been involved in some shit or
Speaker 3: depends on who you are, because really a put on
Speaker 3: most times comes about because niggas don't like you and
Speaker 3: somebody trying to bring a new nigga.
Speaker 2: In and I said the same thing. I explained that,
Speaker 2: like when I got put on, I don't have to
Speaker 2: get put on. I was really already from the seventh right,
Speaker 2: because I grew up all the hummies is my hoummies,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, even today, they put me on with
Speaker 2: Moto recipes, look Jay, and then they put me on.
Speaker 1: They wasn't trying to hurt me.
Speaker 2: To me, it was more or less them trying to
Speaker 2: show me some punk shit, really being funny, and they
Speaker 2: wasn't trying to knock my head off because these dudes.
Speaker 2: I've been knowing these dudes since we was little. But
Speaker 2: I was trying to explain this to somebody that it's
Speaker 2: not a part of the culture. Now, Key, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it's not a part of the experience, saga. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's not part of the experience, because oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying violence isn't part of the experience of
Speaker 2: being a gang member growing up, right, That's not what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's not a culture.
Speaker 2: There's no part of this thing that says annually you're
Speaker 2: supposed to get your glass. Key, even even a put on,
Speaker 2: even a put on is overstated and it's done and
Speaker 2: properly to certain people.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, but at the same time, though, who you
Speaker 3: are in your community is really gonna be based on violence,
Speaker 3: very rarely is based on popularity. That's money is involved.
Speaker 3: Then that's a whole other another different thing, which violence
Speaker 3: still is undertone right there.
Speaker 2: I'm not disagreeing for sure, there's a there's a benefit
Speaker 2: in being a trooper for your community, right just like
Speaker 2: no different than a soldier, right if you, if you
Speaker 2: if it's.
Speaker 3: Bench, but it's it's a blessing in the curse because
Speaker 3: you can be a savage and you the niggas that
Speaker 3: they donna kill, they ain't gonna fight.
Speaker 2: So facts facts. So again, it's still a bunch of networking.
Speaker 2: Now the people who represent here's another question, this is
Speaker 2: this is a bigger conversation, right this again, this ain't
Speaker 2: like a personal conversation with Kicky logo and glasses and.
Speaker 1: Saying and Pete and Cauzo like. This is a different conversation.
Speaker 2: This is about me trying to explain to people all
Speaker 2: our days when I saw you growing up, you know,
Speaker 2: by the time at this point you've grown man, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? You got your you live with
Speaker 2: you and your lady living on the end. It wasn't
Speaker 2: a fight every day. It's not a shooting every day.
Speaker 2: And it's overstated that that don't.
Speaker 1: Mean to me.
Speaker 2: This is what I was saying, Keith, be Cuz, like
Speaker 2: the moments that it happened become a looming presence on
Speaker 2: our existence, like today Moto got killed. I remember being
Speaker 2: a kid when Nut got killed, like and I wasn't
Speaker 2: even like off the porch like that, but I remember
Speaker 2: how everybody felt, and those looming presence days loom over
Speaker 2: your head. But for like for months, I mean, you
Speaker 2: don't notice it in real time, right like when Moto
Speaker 2: got killed. I did notice it in real time, but
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how I was hurt all the way
Speaker 2: probably until two thousand and eight, and that Nigga got
Speaker 2: killed in two thousand or ninety nine or ninety eight,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But it was such a
Speaker 2: traumatic situation that you don't take it like that, so
Speaker 2: you still live your life and find it some level
Speaker 2: of joy and just existing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But I really tried to tell them, like I get
Speaker 2: why even some people that's homies they feel like it's
Speaker 2: a part. It's like violence, And I'm like, that's not
Speaker 2: a part of the culture, even even like a discipline, right,
Speaker 2: like a DP is it Is it violent to whoop
Speaker 2: your kid? No, but it's but it's violence, But is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's So it's prison violence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you ain't gonna get in prison and survived.
Speaker 2: No, no, nose not not not. What's happening sometimes people fighting?
Speaker 2: I'm saying, is somebody putting you in prison for committing
Speaker 2: to crime violence even though it hurts you.
Speaker 3: Now, that's not violent, but it's restricting you.
Speaker 6: I think that's finance as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but right, so when so let's have a greater conversation,
Speaker 2: even greater than that.
Speaker 1: No ceilings. What's haddening?
Speaker 2: Me and my brother Peter in the house, got my
Speaker 2: old g homy kik loko, my nigga, saga, my brother saga.
Speaker 1: Cousin, cousin, what's your name?
Speaker 2: Chef, bro chef chef like cook fire chef, cousin, chef,
Speaker 2: cousin chef. So it's important because this Black History Month,
Speaker 2: we did a conversation about our teenage using the N
Speaker 2: word last week.
Speaker 1: This time we're doing a game bang. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: hip hop the following week.
Speaker 2: I need to get your set up in the studio
Speaker 2: so you could be on the hip hop when I
Speaker 2: think people would love to hear your opinion on hip hop.
Speaker 2: And I know people have been reaching out to talk
Speaker 2: to you about gangs and stuff like that, but that's
Speaker 2: not what Like I said, again, that's not what I do.
Speaker 1: Like I be really trying to.
Speaker 2: Tell people some of the ways they see how we
Speaker 2: grow up in this street urban culture. Life is confusing,
Speaker 2: and like I was last week, was talking to people
Speaker 2: and I was telling them, like.
Speaker 1: Friday is a game.
Speaker 2: Maker movie, but nobody thought it was because they only
Speaker 2: think of Ricky getting killed in Boys in the Hood.
Speaker 1: That's game banging, that's it.
Speaker 2: They only think of the violent parts of it as
Speaker 2: game bang. Like somebody you know getting gain a vengeance
Speaker 2: for her friend, or somebody going too far over a conflict.
Speaker 1: They only think that as gang banging. But can you know.
Speaker 2: More than me that really you don't seen all kind
Speaker 2: of Let's even pull our prospective neighborhoods out.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about just other neighborhoods.
Speaker 2: Most of the time, people just building with each other
Speaker 2: all the time, They just building with each other.
Speaker 1: Right, like you you had a chance to watch.
Speaker 2: Hbone Homeboys, right homes that it ain't a fight every day.
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of people building and trying to figure
Speaker 2: stuff out together. Now, I'm not painting it in the
Speaker 2: positive light. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying factually,
Speaker 2: what's happening. Factually, even when you saw me as a
Speaker 2: little kid, nobody was kicking my ass every day. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out life. I'm trying to forry
Speaker 2: how to make some money. I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 2: how to not get fucked over by the monas of
Speaker 2: the carvers. I'm trying to figure out how to go
Speaker 2: to the pink stow and niggas don't want to kick
Speaker 2: my ass and give me no respect. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: build a car. All of these same things are the
Speaker 2: daily occurrences. Now, there are the moments you know we're
Speaker 2: being the seventh Street could have got me killed. You
Speaker 2: have more apart when the largos get there's times, but
Speaker 2: that's not all the time, even when the conflict with
Speaker 2: your hommies is not all the time. And I just
Speaker 2: don't like that people painting like it's this savage thing.
Speaker 2: All the time I told the story, it was a
Speaker 2: it's gonna sound hello weird. There was a time where
Speaker 2: it was a specific gang in Washington had grenades, you know,
Speaker 2: the gang, and they were selling greenades. And I remember
Speaker 2: I went to my older hommies. It was like, Man,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy two and we're gonna throw them at
Speaker 2: these niggas. The look of disgust on them niggas face
Speaker 2: when I said that, this moon man, you're gonna do.
Speaker 2: What imagine if I was like, you know, we had
Speaker 2: our social issues with the carvers, and I was like,
Speaker 2: y'all finna go poison the water at the pool, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Like so when they go swimming
Speaker 2: the next day, think about how think think about how
Speaker 2: Plucked would have looked at me? What about the game
Speaker 2: and told you that? Because So to anybody out there
Speaker 2: that don't know Key Loko, that'show on the West Side
Speaker 2: he from a gang roll the thirties, that's where he
Speaker 2: grew up his whole life.
Speaker 1: That's where he's from.
Speaker 2: But Kiki, as an adult man, he got him and
Speaker 2: his old lady was together. They had a house and
Speaker 2: watched so Keiki has known me since I was probably twelve.
Speaker 2: Imagine glasses at eighteen where it cames like, Yea'm finn
Speaker 2: to go buy this poison. I'm gonna put it at
Speaker 2: the pool and Carver. So now when they go swimming
Speaker 2: in the summer, you feel me, they gonna die.
Speaker 4: They gonna that's work, bro, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Imagine if I'd be like me, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 2: the remember they had the little hot links and chicken lynks.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go poison to supply meat so that way
Speaker 2: the meat that that did get disseminated throughout the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: You would have been looking at me crazy as fuck.
Speaker 2: You might have punched me in the fucking face. That's
Speaker 2: how violent it is.
Speaker 3: Not right.
Speaker 1: Violence is a real thing.
Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, by the simple definition like racism,
Speaker 2: like me and Pete talk about it. The simple definition
Speaker 2: of racism right big on me is okay, if you
Speaker 2: discriminate against somebody, or you think superior or inferior based
Speaker 2: on somebody based on their.
Speaker 1: Race, means you're racist.
Speaker 2: But we know when we use a turd racist were
Speaker 2: talking about a much stronger systemic issue that allows you
Speaker 2: to kind of oppress people.
Speaker 1: Right, we don't mean that basic Western version.
Speaker 2: So like when we say violence, I'm not talking about
Speaker 2: are there conflicts where you have to fight somebody. There's
Speaker 2: conflicts where people decide to settle disputes. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean through through permanent solutions. I mean permanent solutions
Speaker 2: may be death. I'm saying violence for real, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense, Peach.
Speaker 7: Real quick question though, just to try to navigate a
Speaker 7: little bit of that. You started off with a list
Speaker 7: of things that defined kind of your lifestyle coming up, right,
Speaker 7: and it didn't involve violence, but you mentioned the looming
Speaker 7: threat of violence in the first three things that you said, what.
Speaker 1: You mean, Well, so you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm saying, but this is because my brain
Speaker 2: works this way, because I'm like, wait a minute, you
Speaker 2: talk about when I was talking about poisoning the meat
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 7: Before that, like the first like the opening sentence, oh
Speaker 7: put on and stuff like that before after that, but
Speaker 7: you were saying, like, you know, going to wherever and
Speaker 7: not getting jumped by the mona parks or not having
Speaker 7: to deal with or logos or logos which everyone's over there,
Speaker 7: and you know you said, like going to the this
Speaker 7: store or that place or whatever, just to go to
Speaker 7: do what you know, to get the hamburger, have a
Speaker 7: good time, or whatever is you're trying to do. But
Speaker 7: you preceded each of those sentences with or close these
Speaker 7: sentence with the suggestion of a potential threat of violence,
Speaker 7: even though that the saying even didn't happen, but it's
Speaker 7: predicated on them.
Speaker 2: Even those are overstated, right, those are over sales right
Speaker 2: where we just what he's saying is because I'm saying
Speaker 2: that that means when I went to Mona Park to
Speaker 2: play basketball, go swimming, was I always worried about getting jumped? No,
Speaker 2: I probably never worried about getting jump because by the
Speaker 2: time I would have got jumped, I knew not to
Speaker 2: take my andset there.
Speaker 1: When in those moments, those is bad moments. I mean
Speaker 1: when when.
Speaker 2: You know something happened between somebody from your community and
Speaker 2: somebody from their community had an issue. Yeah, that might
Speaker 2: not be the best time to go to the park.
Speaker 2: That might not be the time. You know what I'm
Speaker 2: saying that that's probably the wrong time because people gonna
Speaker 2: affiliate you with the person that you you know that
Speaker 2: you spend all your time with so. But no, if
Speaker 2: I'm being honest, there was no real looming presence of
Speaker 2: me walking to the pig store in the Imperial Courts
Speaker 2: and randomly people jumping on me.
Speaker 1: It's not impossible, but it wasn't probable, gotcha.
Speaker 5: Let's trying to figure out, like within the spectrum of.
Speaker 3: Not talking on that money what you said, let me
Speaker 3: add this to that. I heard, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 3: He did say that. Let me add to that. Even
Speaker 3: though he said for him it wasn't necessarily looming, but
Speaker 3: let me say this, he still knew that it was
Speaker 3: a possibility. And that's what the stick mind is being
Speaker 3: put because really, unbeknownst to our parents and anybody this
Speaker 3: in the gang culture, they're not they're lying. The most
Speaker 3: times they were, really the most volent times were school,
Speaker 3: because shit happened to school on the way to school,
Speaker 3: on the way hall from school that unbeknownst to our
Speaker 3: parents never knew ever happen in niggas garages and all
Speaker 3: kinds of crazy ship. That's that's probably how you started
Speaker 3: affiliating with the community because of stuff like that, and
Speaker 3: then because you knew when she was in certain ship
Speaker 3: wouldn't gonna.
Speaker 2: Be Yeah, And and I don't have nothing to do
Speaker 2: with gangs as much as just the nature of poverty.
Speaker 2: And what he's saying, Pete, is that's why people end
Speaker 2: up getting in games. It's because you're just in this
Speaker 2: poor situation where things people people shout out to the
Speaker 2: home because I just told me raise his own chickens,
Speaker 2: be slaughtering deers and ship to eat and all that. Right,
Speaker 2: But it's the same thing, right, It's like like for
Speaker 2: some reason and the wild things pray on the week.
Speaker 2: Like if you got rid of he said, he said,
Speaker 2: if you got all the grocery stores, Pete, what would
Speaker 2: what would this America be?
Speaker 5: Like we go back, we would have.
Speaker 1: Two things.
Speaker 6: You're gonna be eat off the land. After that, you're
Speaker 6: gonna have to eat off the land.
Speaker 4: And if you could do it, you could do it,
Speaker 4: then you're gonna be surviving and you're gonna be throw here.
Speaker 1: You're about to go crazy.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, And it'll be violence. And
Speaker 4: that's what that's the whole thing.
Speaker 6: It's not about. And it's like separations. It's just the
Speaker 6: circumstances that create this.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying, is that is the jungle violence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the nature of where they stay.
Speaker 6: That's the nature where they live. Here's the thing. It
Speaker 6: depends on what we're doing at the time.
Speaker 1: Y'all know.
Speaker 2: I'm y'all because y'all, Mike will come through it one
Speaker 2: time and I can't separate your vocals.
Speaker 8: People think about it like in the wild, if something
Speaker 8: is taken like you you may be a mom and
Speaker 8: you got your ducks or something like that, and all
Speaker 8: in the pond and the big ass fish come up
Speaker 8: and smack and eat one of your babies. That's the
Speaker 8: nature of your life.
Speaker 1: That's not violent. That's not violence.
Speaker 6: That's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is when we classifying something, let's are
Speaker 4: we just it's violent. It's a violent act. And when
Speaker 4: we're saying violence, so it's violent. Look, this is what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Like an eruption, you know, a violent eruption,
Speaker 4: It just is what it is. It's not that we're
Speaker 4: trying to pervert it and say this is a bad
Speaker 4: thing that's what happens in it.
Speaker 6: It's not.
Speaker 4: It's just more like this is just very this is
Speaker 4: this is an active nature that has a violence to it.
Speaker 6: But that is a degree that we're not.
Speaker 1: Negative loans with the word violence.
Speaker 2: I understand that, and that's important right whereas like we're
Speaker 2: saying unnatural or unnecessary occurrences right when we say vioce. Now,
Speaker 2: violence is very simple as just something that. But if
Speaker 2: racism is simply oh, if you judge somebody either be
Speaker 2: inferior or you're superior based off race, that's not how
Speaker 2: we understand true implication of racism. So what I'm saying violent,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying can something happened action and they cause
Speaker 2: pain purposely? Is it a necessary action? Is it an
Speaker 2: unnecessary action? It's a necessary action. Like again, a wolf
Speaker 2: eating a deer to me, I wouldn't consider that viobing.
Speaker 5: But the occurrence nature outside of humanity are very hard
Speaker 5: to find it.
Speaker 7: So again the same way as like like humans and
Speaker 7: dolphins I believe are the only two animals known to science.
Speaker 5: That have sexual intercourse recreationally.
Speaker 7: Similarly, human beings are only very very rare case like
Speaker 7: if wolves like this happens, when they reintroduce the wolves
Speaker 7: into the Rockies, they would get into confined areas where
Speaker 7: there would be livestock, and they would just start killing
Speaker 7: all the livestock because they just see one and they
Speaker 7: think of it as opportunity, whereas in reality, the rest
Speaker 7: of them would be able to run away. They would
Speaker 7: kill the one they could get and eat it there.
Speaker 7: But since they can't run away, they just kill the ones.
Speaker 7: See the next one killed, you know? So then and
Speaker 7: that's an even because the confine that's unnatural.
Speaker 6: So in.
Speaker 7: The state of nature, there's really no other species that
Speaker 7: does have superfluous violence in its existence other than us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well what about I was going to say, That's
Speaker 4: what I was going to say. So, how does you said,
Speaker 4: a lion killing the deer?
Speaker 6: How would it? How would it kill it? Right? Grabs
Speaker 6: it by the neck, just chase it down, dive on it, clawed.
Speaker 4: To feel like like either the suffocates I saw the
Speaker 4: suffocates or leads it out right?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 4: So is this violent for the hyaenas they chase down
Speaker 4: the ox, grab them by the nuts, take them down
Speaker 4: and eat them from the back kinds they have to
Speaker 4: do to get that much meat?
Speaker 6: Is that violent? Though? This is when they could kill
Speaker 6: it another way?
Speaker 5: They can't kill it another way. And what's the definition
Speaker 5: of violence?
Speaker 2: Is the question you have to bleed And that's a
Speaker 2: good point. He brings up a good point. What's the
Speaker 2: definition of violence? And that's my point to humanity, we're
Speaker 2: not in nature, they are necessary violent acts or what we.
Speaker 1: Would call violent acts.
Speaker 2: Yes, then I'm separating it key from how we grew
Speaker 2: up because a lot of people feel like again, like
Speaker 2: I heard people recently refer to game Bag as a
Speaker 2: serial killer, and I'm like, a serial killer used to
Speaker 2: mean more like now they take the definition.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, if you killed six people, give me your
Speaker 1: serial killer.
Speaker 2: But we wouldn't call the soldier who was in he
Speaker 2: did six different tours a serial killer.
Speaker 1: So it's a lack of respect.
Speaker 4: On wars, Yeah, like that World Wars.
Speaker 6: It's the same. I mean, you just you're just classifying
Speaker 6: the same.
Speaker 1: But it matters.
Speaker 2: It matters in prestige, it matters in respect, it matters
Speaker 2: in society.
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 8: And the same way you're saying in the same way
Speaker 8: you're saying, oh, well, is that violent?
Speaker 5: That the hyena grab.
Speaker 9: That that that bore whatever, body balls and what's it
Speaker 9: cause it is it violent? For me to set in
Speaker 9: a fucking tree stand where he can't see me, and
Speaker 9: they're just lollygagging on their day and I'm sitting here
Speaker 9: with my four fifty and our blasted ass and he
Speaker 9: drops right there and they didn't even know I was there.
Speaker 8: Say that violent because I'm I'm hunting to eat too.
Speaker 6: No, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 4: You're saying violence in the sense of the bad act
Speaker 4: is a negative connotation to it. No, you're hunting, You're
Speaker 4: going to get food. I know exactly. That's why it's
Speaker 4: all in the same. That's what I'm saying. So when
Speaker 4: I'm saying violent, I'm not putting the connotation on it,
Speaker 4: the negative aspect of it, like this is a bad act.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying what the nature of it is the same,
Speaker 4: like oh, this is hot, this is cold, like when
Speaker 4: when when the volcano erupts, It is common to to
Speaker 4: to classify it or describe it as That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. I'm agreeing with y'all on Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not a bad act. It's not this negative thing,
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's so so when you're saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's violence a part of the gang culture. I don't
Speaker 4: agree with that in that because of what violence is,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. It's like, it's like, yes,
Speaker 4: it's aspects of life, but when you come to like
Speaker 4: the gang culture and in different ways that you know,
Speaker 4: things can be perverted just on the pursuit of whatever
Speaker 4: you think you're pursuing. Where that just life, it's an
Speaker 4: aspect of life. You can look at the dude, the CEO.
Speaker 4: He not from no gang. He was walking down the
Speaker 4: street about to go to a conference, and.
Speaker 2: And you see a population of people identifying life right right.
Speaker 2: You see a population of people identifying with this life
Speaker 2: based off of what they feel like they deny. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so again I agree, violence is a perception thing once
Speaker 2: you get past the killing unnecessary, I think is what
Speaker 2: violence is. When we talk about killing, like if somebody's
Speaker 2: finna blow my head off and I shoot them, I
Speaker 2: just wouldn't relate that to violence as simple like the
Speaker 2: it's a violent act. I get it, but the connotation
Speaker 2: that comes with the term violence is different.
Speaker 1: So that's what I was saying.
Speaker 6: I get that. Yeah, I totally agree with that though.
Speaker 2: So it's like, but if you think about it most days,
Speaker 2: Like right, you only get one put on?
Speaker 1: You only get one put on? Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, and if you're in good standings, if you don't
Speaker 2: be no buster, you stand up for yourself and you
Speaker 2: don't let people just run you over, that probably be
Speaker 2: the only time your homies beat you up.
Speaker 1: Right, the homies don't beat you up annually.
Speaker 2: You don't have a foot on celebration on September ninth,
Speaker 2: kick your ass, that would be time to get up
Speaker 2: and just.
Speaker 6: Make it look crazy.
Speaker 2: Even even like I said, the DP is it's all
Speaker 2: of this stuff is supposed to be done with love.
Speaker 2: I don't quite know what's happening that makes people think
Speaker 2: I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't get it because it's.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, like there is don't get me
Speaker 2: wrong again, Pete. There are some unsavory characters, but I
Speaker 2: can't imagine even people before that though I would be
Speaker 2: worried about going. I remember we start going to Victoria Park.
Speaker 2: So when you grew up in so obviously everybody know
Speaker 2: my story. My dad mom broke up when I was three.
Speaker 2: My dad moved to watch with his new wife. My
Speaker 2: mom stayed in competence, so I experienced both life equal.
Speaker 2: I would go to a Victoria Park. That's whereverybody from
Speaker 2: cont to go swimming at because really no crip parks
Speaker 2: had a pool. Only pool at one park, right, which
Speaker 2: is looters. I mean, that's that I could think of.
Speaker 2: There's probably more. I just a Mona, there's a Carver,
Speaker 2: but that was like far out, so everybody would go
Speaker 2: to Victoria Park because it was close. I never thought
Speaker 2: it was no problem about going to Victoria Park until
Speaker 2: the day Victoria Park, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: niggas was from the Russians because we wasn't from Carson
Speaker 2: and they wasn't no game members.
Speaker 6: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: That was just some poor bullshit like the poor kids
Speaker 2: up here swimming in our pool.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: For real, like you with violence, We got a gun
Speaker 2: and shit, I got a gun after that, right, I
Speaker 2: got a gun because after that the seven Old set
Speaker 2: after the US and seven o's. It's cool now, but
Speaker 2: back then, them niggas pulled a tech out on us
Speaker 2: and stuck it out the window.
Speaker 1: I was thirteen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 2: Work, I mean, and I remember we went back up there.
Speaker 2: I didn't even want to go back swimming up there
Speaker 2: until I turned about sixteen. I got a license and
Speaker 2: I had a gun. Them niggas tried to chase us
Speaker 2: and beat us up, and we got the popping on
Speaker 2: them niggas out the window, even at sixteen.
Speaker 1: That's how I go three years later. So I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like again, it's like the pursuit of life.
Speaker 6: Right, it's like so violence wouldn't be considered, so you wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even. I wouldn't even. That wasn't even no
Speaker 2: game maker ship, right. I was just some y'all ain't
Speaker 2: from around here ship.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: We didn't say we was from some community that they
Speaker 2: don't get along with, or we just from any community
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: But they didn't even hit us up. That's wild. Just
Speaker 1: get them niggas.
Speaker 6: Just Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, I remember one time this is we was in
Speaker 4: the we was all in the Denny's off of Paramount.
Speaker 4: This is when after a show, and it was like
Speaker 4: right when it was this new you know, new young.
Speaker 6: Game they had came. It was coming up in the
Speaker 6: Long Beach and uh they rolled right by. Huh was
Speaker 6: it two years who?
Speaker 4: No, it was the it was the Uh they hit
Speaker 4: us up with with the babies.
Speaker 6: Babies.
Speaker 2: They all hit us, they all hit us up when
Speaker 2: they first they first started. Yeah, and nigga from babies
Speaker 2: is what about?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably probably psych is probably not the first generation baby,
Speaker 2: you know, is he is he baby? I don't think
Speaker 2: baby young not babies. Babies might be like thirty five.
Speaker 4: Not that I'm not that I'm not babies. Yeah, baby
Speaker 4: from babies. No babies, babies, Nah, not like that. Not
Speaker 4: you gotta trade, you gotta you gotta ask him.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 6: I don't even speak on speak for both of them
Speaker 6: on the story.
Speaker 4: But but as far as that, the story was like
Speaker 4: we were just chilling and it was just a moment
Speaker 4: of you know, these people, you know, you're chilling car works,
Speaker 4: rows by, and it just you know, we just minding
Speaker 4: our business. And then we just got you know, they
Speaker 4: got hit us up and we was just looking at it.
Speaker 4: But the but the response it wasn't like a violent response.
Speaker 4: It was a you laughed. Actually, it was like these
Speaker 4: little young niggas out here crazy right right. And then
Speaker 4: everybody else at the table and everybody went about their business.
Speaker 4: So it's like when it comes to that violent nature,
Speaker 4: it's like when the stakes are high, you're going Sometimes
Speaker 4: it happens, I ain't gonna knock it.
Speaker 6: Some shit happens, like ship should go up.
Speaker 4: But for the most part, it's like stakes are high,
Speaker 4: and you really it's more of a life situation than
Speaker 4: it is just niggas is going out trying to be
Speaker 4: the most monstrous. Yeah, I'm gonna destroy your mom's house.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna destroy this. Someone destroy that, you.
Speaker 1: Know real quick?
Speaker 2: Manny How a baby started and what like like late nineties,
Speaker 2: thirty two thousands, it came from babies, right sight is
Speaker 2: a young.
Speaker 1: Fred?
Speaker 2: Fred is from young too, So babbies is what thirty
Speaker 2: four oldest?
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe like.
Speaker 6: Two thousand and one two so.
Speaker 1: The oldest baby.
Speaker 2: So the oldest baby's gonna be a nigga about thirty
Speaker 2: four thirty five and that's.
Speaker 1: The oldest yep.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I ain't think babies.
Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, my nigga, I hit you back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, shout out to psych and shout out the tray shot.
Speaker 6: So no.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I guess what I've been trying to
Speaker 2: convey to people is the experience saying what everybody wanted
Speaker 2: to be. That's not to say I'm saying it's not
Speaker 2: a traumatic experience, Kiki, like growing up poor. I'm saying
Speaker 2: it's not what they wanted to be. It's not quite
Speaker 2: what they make it out to be. And this being
Speaker 2: a game maker, growing up around game baggers, my whole life,
Speaker 2: all that is not what they make it to be.
Speaker 2: And when you start to suggest real violent acts, most
Speaker 2: people are gonna check you. Right now, I'm sure I
Speaker 2: had a homeboy and maybe if i'd told crazy because
Speaker 2: that he'd I'm like, fuck it because he was actually
Speaker 2: like really like on some shit like that, Like that
Speaker 2: was one hummy that was on some shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, I'm not gonna speak on watching politics, but you know,
Speaker 3: I know people that's skin about some violence on some
Speaker 3: crazy shit.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's always a homie like that. But that's
Speaker 2: not the culture. That's not the culture of a rolling thirty.
Speaker 2: That's not the culture of a seventh Street. That's not
Speaker 2: the culture of a West Side eighty or insane the like.
Speaker 2: We're not taught at this the innate behavior. Now, we're
Speaker 2: taught that these are the responses to to offenses, right,
Speaker 2: but we're not taught like, you know what, key, you
Speaker 2: got to go kill somebody on Thursday, Friday, Saturday something
Speaker 2: and the person like the movie New Jack City, but
Speaker 2: they shot that nigga, Mama.
Speaker 1: That's violent. If you shoot a motherfucker that's trying to
Speaker 1: kill you.
Speaker 2: I get it. Yes, by definition, that is violence. But
Speaker 2: I'm saying we need to get real with that definition.
Speaker 2: Like like we're talking about right now with cousin.
Speaker 7: How about this, you know we just discussed a few
Speaker 7: minutes ago, how like maybe the creation of gangs is
Speaker 7: predicated on the potential for violence at and to and
Speaker 7: from school, right, some people sure to a degree, Perhaps
Speaker 7: maybe a better word than violence That is a pretty
Speaker 7: gratuitous word. Maybe maybe danger might be a better term.
Speaker 1: Definitelyous elements, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Or is it might not define It's not the action
Speaker 7: you're participating in and pursuing it every hour of every day.
Speaker 7: But it is a consciousness and it's an underpinning.
Speaker 6: It's just on the spectrum of danger.
Speaker 2: The possibility of suffering harm or injury? Is that my
Speaker 2: mind state every day?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: But I could be ignorant, So you're probably right.
Speaker 2: Do you think when you was growing up he you
Speaker 2: felt like you could suffer harm and injury every day?
Speaker 1: That was a possibility. Yeah, so yeah, he probably felt
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: I felt like, but I don't even bang and I
Speaker 4: feel like that, So what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Really? Y'all just felt like y'all was gonna get harmed
Speaker 1: being where y'all was at.
Speaker 6: Well, I just I don't feel like that. I don't
Speaker 6: feel like harmed.
Speaker 4: I feel like more so, the world is what it is,
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna protect myself.
Speaker 6: No, no, not the possibility, you know what I'm saying anywhere?
Speaker 6: So yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Said not that I'm saying. But I didn't grow.
Speaker 2: I didn't walk down to seven thinking I could suffer
Speaker 2: harm every day. I just didn't see it that way.
Speaker 3: Well, it's good that was pulled over your eyes, but
Speaker 3: you was in constant danger every day.
Speaker 6: Damn level. That's real life. That's real life too. I
Speaker 6: definitely I can.
Speaker 4: I can recall moments fel that way all over all around.
Speaker 2: The moments that's crazy, the moments that I knew. I knew,
Speaker 2: like when shit happened with nothing and Lorgo, I knew
Speaker 2: at that point and zone. There was moments that I
Speaker 2: knew that was lingering. But I just felt I never
Speaker 2: felt as comfortable as I did being on the seven
Speaker 2: or being in the forums, like even out here, like
Speaker 2: I always feel like this is gonna sound weird, Like
Speaker 2: I feel like there's the same looming presence that I
Speaker 2: felt in Watch until the thing is, I don't have
Speaker 2: those moments where it's on with them or them or that,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It's just like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, it is.
Speaker 1: What it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe this is where that math part come into too,
Speaker 2: a math part of it all. Did you ever feel
Speaker 2: a looming presence you never thought nothing will happen to you?
Speaker 2: Peter in Newport?
Speaker 6: Not much.
Speaker 7: No, there's certain I mean sort of like that scuffle
Speaker 7: or some nonsense, But no, I mean I don't cruise
Speaker 7: around with that thought in my mind. Though when I
Speaker 7: go to other places, I have a different sense of
Speaker 7: conscious you know, awareness.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just based off of that, like you just
Speaker 2: feel like something can and always will, it could happen.
Speaker 1: I feel like that now.
Speaker 6: So do you think you felt so?
Speaker 4: Were you saying like you felt like a sense of
Speaker 4: protection that's why didnt feel like nothing's gonna happen to you?
Speaker 1: Or do you feel like it was comfortable with Black people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's I think that's because you saw the community.
Speaker 6: That's that's what you see.
Speaker 4: You see community, that's true, and then you see what
Speaker 4: it is and it's like you don't see you see
Speaker 4: him as aunts and uncles, you see him as cousins,
Speaker 4: and then you don't really see it exactly. And it's
Speaker 4: the first time I'm not thinking about it, like I'm
Speaker 4: about to be in trouble.
Speaker 2: The first time I got jump was at Monta Park.
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was gonna happen. What is playing basketball?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would have went anywhere.
Speaker 1: Somebody else was telling me that that people be so
Speaker 1: scared to live in the community.
Speaker 6: I wasn't ever scared, though.
Speaker 1: I don't recall that.
Speaker 2: I just don't think I met nobody in my whole
Speaker 2: life that was like, man, I'm trying to make it
Speaker 2: out of here.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, don't let me wrong. Everybody want nobody
Speaker 1: want to be broke.
Speaker 2: But I never heard heard, no homie ever confided me like, man,
Speaker 2: I need to make it out of here.
Speaker 1: I need to get away from me here. Man, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be here. I never had that key.
Speaker 4: You mean, nobody wants to make it out of where,
Speaker 4: like out ofots really like just not really nobody.
Speaker 2: Never I just was telling somebody that, like, I never
Speaker 2: heard nobody's like I'm trying to make it out the hood.
Speaker 1: The hood was just that.
Speaker 5: More emblematic than geographical and the expression see.
Speaker 2: What you're saying, but I'm saying I never heard nobody
Speaker 2: do that though, Like I only heard people say they
Speaker 2: want to make some money.
Speaker 1: I think they wanted nicer things. But I never heard
Speaker 1: people people say they want to make it out of Michigan.
Speaker 6: Bro, I'm really small. That's what I'm saying. That people are.
Speaker 5: Sure from I mean, but it's not hard to make
Speaker 5: it out.
Speaker 8: It's just the fact that you just, I mean, some
Speaker 8: people just want to be around their family for the
Speaker 8: most part and just don't know how they get away.
Speaker 1: But I'm not from no big place, bro.
Speaker 9: It's just even while I went back, it's because you know,
Speaker 9: home is always going to be home.
Speaker 4: People want, But do you ever have you run into
Speaker 4: like people they leave he said.
Speaker 2: What he's saying is different. It is because they're trying
Speaker 2: to make it out of a small town in a
Speaker 2: big city.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you feel me that, Like it's you're you're you're
Speaker 8: gonna want to experience like I said, Shoot, I mean
Speaker 8: obviously you got grand rapping in the Kalama Zoo.
Speaker 5: I mean, but I'm three hours from Detroit.
Speaker 6: Are you for.
Speaker 5: An hour from the western side of Michigan?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm based at the bottom right around by it.
Speaker 6: I'm about an hour from western.
Speaker 2: H Did you ever had that thought, Key that you
Speaker 2: want to make it out? No, I just want to
Speaker 2: make money, right.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be able to survive and take
Speaker 3: care of myself and they stay alive. Because it was
Speaker 3: a dangerous time, you know, in the age you know, y'all.
Speaker 1: Time definitely is a lot of dangerous than marrows.
Speaker 3: I'm trying. You could have been on the bus stop
Speaker 3: it's been walking to and pro. You could have been
Speaker 3: at the mall. You could have been you know, he
Speaker 3: could have been anywhere. You could have been somebody at
Speaker 3: your friend house in another whole different community. It's sitting
Speaker 3: outside with him and some shit happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know about that. So the eighties was different.
Speaker 2: They got some money and people got some different type
Speaker 2: of guls and people just went crazy. I always think
Speaker 2: that was more about like people fighting for community and
Speaker 2: having too much money and now having access. I read
Speaker 2: this story about some dude that was from the West Side.
Speaker 1: He was a don move and so they robbed him
Speaker 1: for a pair of rim I think it was Dayton's
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: But he was like the first person that went to
Speaker 2: jail for killing people with a oozy or something. It
Speaker 2: was like a crazy story though. Did he wasn't off
Speaker 2: Comfort Boulevard. No, This was in south central Soral.
Speaker 4: Was a shooting off of I used to stayle Cuver.
Speaker 4: It was a shooting right off of Compton Boulevard. An
Speaker 4: occasion the liquor store.
Speaker 1: It was a shooting.
Speaker 2: It's like one of the first liquor store. Now is
Speaker 2: it occasion or that's what the court building now it's
Speaker 2: past the case Orleander.
Speaker 4: Whatever, it's Condon Boulevard right across the street from that
Speaker 4: a n p M from that arch Logic Boulevard go
Speaker 4: the same way. Yeah yeah, but right now it's the cleaners.
Speaker 4: But it used to be a liquor store. That's right
Speaker 4: the court, out of court. But it's a couple of blocks,
Speaker 4: A couple of blocks yeah west, A couple of blocks west.
Speaker 1: So it is Compton, yeah, Leander because bear is where
Speaker 1: it's not what is I used to have a house.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, yeah, uh that's uh Palmers Yeah yeah, yep.
Speaker 6: So like that was like one of the first movies.
Speaker 7: Like North South Compton Avenue the l a one that
Speaker 7: ends into Centennial. It doesn't go on the south end
Speaker 7: of the high school like dead ends into it and
Speaker 7: that's the end of it.
Speaker 5: But the.
Speaker 1: Right exactly. Yeah, Corton Boulevard east to west. Compton Avenue
Speaker 1: goes south.
Speaker 5: And north, but it doesn't go south of Centennial.
Speaker 1: No, Compon Avenue don't go through Compton.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it goes too not through it stopped right there.
Speaker 4: Turned into Rodondo. Oh, Compton Avenue turns to Centennial.
Speaker 1: It's Compton Avenue.
Speaker 2: So like like when you come to watch Compton Avenue
Speaker 2: go the same way, like like like Wilmington.
Speaker 5: Like Central between Wimington and Central.
Speaker 2: Ye north South yeah yeah. So I just I just
Speaker 2: it's just hard to explain this. And and again, I
Speaker 2: think the presence of those days are so looming, and
Speaker 2: the presence of those days are so looming that they're overstated.
Speaker 1: A lot of times. Again, I'm not saying go join
Speaker 1: the gang or this.
Speaker 2: That third I'm just telling you we're not as horrible
Speaker 2: in our lives and as miserable as it seems. That's
Speaker 2: what I think I'll be trying to express more than anything,
Speaker 2: is everything we go through is not horrible. Like people
Speaker 2: like there wouldn't be culture if people that make a
Speaker 2: positive or pride out of it, right, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you just find the best of the situation.
Speaker 7: And just like on a quasi best related note, like
Speaker 7: the outs like the way outsider perspective.
Speaker 5: Yeah, of the community.
Speaker 7: If that, if it was as true as they perceived
Speaker 7: it to be, I'd have been dead twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Why would you have been dead twenty years ago?
Speaker 5: Look at how.
Speaker 7: Like people perceive like South Central com of that area
Speaker 7: as being I think they perceive it as being like
Speaker 7: every day you're gonna be Reginald Denny again. Right, sure,
Speaker 7: I'm down there too. Like you, you would want to
Speaker 7: interact with gang bangers. They're gonna you know, rob you,
Speaker 7: they hate you to all this other shit. I know
Speaker 7: too many of them personally as my friends. I wouldn't
Speaker 7: have survived long enough to have a conversation.
Speaker 1: That was the Yeah, that's the Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's just hard trying to convey it because like I'm
Speaker 2: trying to be more fact based, right sega than perception based.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And but the problem is the violence is when when
Speaker 2: something does happen because there is violence that happens because
Speaker 2: there's unnecessary you know, there's unnecessary actions that cause pain
Speaker 2: and injuries. Yeah, when they happen, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: They are so traumatic, those experiences loan over your head
Speaker 2: for a long time and they're dampened two three hundred
Speaker 2: days for some people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. So like they'll just
Speaker 1: see it completely different.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's just a part of life.
Speaker 4: Its Yeah, I mean, like I said, I've I've grown
Speaker 4: up around it and had family members in it in
Speaker 4: the whole nine Homies, my brothers, you feel me. So
Speaker 4: it's like like you said, it's like looking at it
Speaker 4: from that point of view is a whole other aspect
Speaker 4: of seeing like camaraderie and seeing different aspects of just
Speaker 4: you know, people coming together on a common and not
Speaker 4: having malicious hearts. I've seen people have who have malicious
Speaker 4: hearts who I thought shouldn't have malicious hearts. You're not
Speaker 4: in no type of gang. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: you're a business owner. You know, you're somebody who should
Speaker 4: be upstanding showing me the way. And it's like, so
Speaker 4: I've seen it on both sides. So when it comes
Speaker 4: down to it, when you just try to label gangs
Speaker 4: at something negative, it's just a cop out. It's almost
Speaker 4: just like when you say it's a lazy it's like
Speaker 4: lazy saying, uh, it's this is West Coast music. It's
Speaker 4: just as lazy to label a gang. This is what
Speaker 4: you're You're a gang, You're you're violent, you're this or that,
Speaker 4: when i'm this is a group of people put under
Speaker 4: certain circumstances who are gonna respond just like anybody else
Speaker 4: probably would.
Speaker 1: That's what all.
Speaker 6: So what are we really talking about?
Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, but it's easy
Speaker 4: to classify it and point the finger and then you know,
Speaker 4: you can get robbed in the streets, so you can
Speaker 4: go to a business meeting to get ribbed with a
Speaker 4: smile on your face. So it's like when you have
Speaker 4: a different when you have an aspect of seeing, oh
Speaker 4: it's good and bad, you can kind of break sit
Speaker 4: down a little better and just be more accountable for
Speaker 4: what you're doing and what everybody should be doing or
Speaker 4: what everybody is doing end of the day, because it's
Speaker 4: not like, oh this you're looking at this one group,
Speaker 4: you're gonna you're gonna be asked out thinking, oh, they
Speaker 4: bad because they might be the one group that saved
Speaker 4: your ass that one time, just because you're going this
Speaker 4: is a gang member, gang member, naw this this dude
Speaker 4: right here, Just you catch Kiki on a on a
Speaker 4: good day, on any day. You catch Kiki on any day,
Speaker 4: this nigga's gonna save your mom from getting her back snatched.
Speaker 6: So what are we talking about? You feel me?
Speaker 4: And it's like same with you, Like it just is
Speaker 4: kind of like when you label it. It's easy to
Speaker 4: do that, but it's lazy to do that.
Speaker 2: And I guess that's that's that was my thought coming
Speaker 2: into this conversation that it was always like this perception,
Speaker 2: like the worst thing is being online sometimes and seeing
Speaker 2: people saying, y'all kill over property that don't belong to you,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, do y'all really think this is about property?
Speaker 1: Like do y'all think it's about the color of a bandanna?
Speaker 2: Like I get it, they saw the movie Colors, But
Speaker 2: I'm like, you don't think it would be like more
Speaker 2: nuanced things happening. What's driving people to be this angry,
Speaker 2: not just somebody chose a color of a bandanna. They
Speaker 2: can't help it. They like, yeah, nah, this is what
Speaker 2: it is. And I'm starting to believe for some people
Speaker 2: that's inside of it because, like I said, back to
Speaker 2: the conversation we was having about hip hop, there are
Speaker 2: a lot of ignorance that's even in people that's playing
Speaker 2: in the sport. It's a lot of ignorance and people
Speaker 2: that's in the middle of it. Like you don't have
Speaker 2: to know. But when you at the forefront of knowing
Speaker 2: what's happening, it's your job to tell people the truth,
Speaker 2: even if they fight it. That's what I always tell here.
Speaker 2: My job is to make sure just like I'm telling y'all,
Speaker 2: there's no West Coast sound that don't make sense. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, There is no fucking.
Speaker 4: You gotta expand the perspective and open Yeah. Really, it
Speaker 4: puts space into the whole. It makes more room in
Speaker 4: the space for you to see things a little more clear,
Speaker 4: Like open your eyes a little more so.
Speaker 6: You can understand what's going on a little a lot more.
Speaker 1: And the worst part is you have to inform people
Speaker 1: that half as a part of the coaching. Yeah, right, now,
Speaker 1: I can see if I was just talking to Pete.
Speaker 2: Is Pete somebody who's been around, But I could see
Speaker 2: if I was talking to a stranger that never met
Speaker 2: anybody from the culture at all. These street are culture
Speaker 2: lifestyle at all, but it'll be people who half ass
Speaker 2: grew up around us. People grew up where they just
Speaker 2: allow other people outside of it to shape their narrative.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, man, I genuinely believe like my
Speaker 2: dad and never been riding motorcycles for as long as
Speaker 2: I can remember, since the sixties and seven. I mean
Speaker 2: my dad's how long my dad been on the right
Speaker 2: sixty seven maybe eighties at the latest.
Speaker 1: He been on the bike forever.
Speaker 2: When Sons and Anarchy came out, that made more people
Speaker 2: in the community want to get bikes. Sure, right, I
Speaker 2: was asking og Homi, like people had low right here,
Speaker 2: they was low riding in the eighties, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean it was some people, he said. But when boys
Speaker 2: and Hood came out, people in the culture was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give me one two because they're looking for
Speaker 2: outside validation, So they really try to validate it to
Speaker 2: the person that's next to them when it becomes accepted.
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying back to that point where
Speaker 2: I'm saying with somebody like Birdy talking about making acceptable
Speaker 2: music when that's not the foundation of what hip hop is.
Speaker 2: Hip hop just happened to make music that people can
Speaker 2: relate to. It's not about can people relate to the music.
Speaker 2: It's actually about telling the story for people you know
Speaker 2: that didn't have a voice, that most people don't connect with.
Speaker 2: And then you realize that these group of people you
Speaker 2: do have some kind of common theme or you respect
Speaker 2: something about how they survive. Like Pete always say, I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear about your trauma. I want to
Speaker 2: hear about your durability. I mean, how much stuff can
Speaker 2: you go through? I don't want to hear you talking
Speaker 2: about how bad it was what you went through. I
Speaker 2: want you to show me how you overcame from what.
Speaker 6: You been did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's real, that's the story they want to hear.
Speaker 4: That's the story that people want to hear.
Speaker 2: And so that's why I don't That's why I don't
Speaker 2: get on drill rap like that. People hear drill rap like, oh,
Speaker 2: I killed thirty people, now people did, versus somebody said,
Speaker 2: I'm still right here in the middle of all this shit.
Speaker 1: I did everything I had to do. That's how it
Speaker 1: comes to my ears.
Speaker 2: I don't hear it like I killed thirty people I
Speaker 2: shot because it's Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I don't hear it.
Speaker 2: I hear it like, man, we beef it with them niggas.
Speaker 2: I pulled out and I got off on the niggas
Speaker 2: and I'm still here. And that's why niggas be bragging
Speaker 2: about surviving. That's also why niggas be high, because they
Speaker 2: be trying.
Speaker 1: To deal with all the ship.
Speaker 6: Questions. Shadow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think obviously like one kind of lesser discussed
Speaker 7: topic and now we have like a multi generational panel,
Speaker 7: so it kind of clears some of that up.
Speaker 5: It is like how.
Speaker 7: Much of a factor time is and the evolution of
Speaker 7: culture and landscapes and society over the course of you know, decades.
Speaker 7: Do you think like it in like in its infancy,
Speaker 7: there would be a scenario where there's like a turning
Speaker 7: point where one point, okay, you could put you know,
Speaker 7: color band Dan out of your pocket or not. Is
Speaker 7: it more more likely that somebody would be like, oh,
Speaker 7: he's part of such and such. I could see it
Speaker 7: from that thing over there. I'm not gonna try to
Speaker 7: get over on that guy. So there was an advantage
Speaker 7: of doing it. And then you get to a point
Speaker 7: beyond that where, like say five ten years later, the
Speaker 7: landscape's changed. Now you have a band Dana hanging out
Speaker 7: of your pocket and you're now you're a target. So
Speaker 7: it went from being a deterrent to being inviting the
Speaker 7: nineteen seventies hypothetically, or.
Speaker 2: It carries the first thing. Yeah, the first thing stays through.
Speaker 2: Most people don't want to fuck with other people that's
Speaker 2: gang man. You're gonna find a very select few people
Speaker 2: that's just determined to press somebody that's a gang member.
Speaker 7: It have to be obviously at that point, like somebody
Speaker 7: from over there did something to one of us.
Speaker 5: So we got to find somebody from over.
Speaker 1: And it got to be somebody that's really some shit
Speaker 1: from over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every bad every Das's persson from over there ain't
Speaker 2: gonna press they learn.
Speaker 6: Sure.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny, pe I went in this podcast,
Speaker 2: but I want to start doing for the podcast. I
Speaker 2: want you to ask a question based off everything we
Speaker 2: talked about. I want you to ask a question to
Speaker 2: the people who enjoy No Sentner's podcast so they could
Speaker 2: leave an answer inside the actual comments. So is there
Speaker 2: a question that you feel like people if you want
Speaker 2: to ask people questions?
Speaker 1: I know that's a hell of a pop up thing,
Speaker 1: but that is.
Speaker 5: A pop up thing. I feel like you have a
Speaker 5: better question on deck than I would have.
Speaker 4: Well, I have a question, after like all of everything
Speaker 4: that you just heard, Pete this or you Pete, after
Speaker 4: everything you just heard, what would you what would your like,
Speaker 4: what would would you have any questions in regards to
Speaker 4: like the whole violence aspect of it. What would your
Speaker 4: approach be as of right now? Do you still believe
Speaker 4: like it's still a violent thing where it's like a
Speaker 4: kind of like what's your what's your pov on that?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 7: To me personally, like my take is that most of
Speaker 7: this conversation, in my opinion, centers around a pretty big
Speaker 7: gray area and conversations that get looser and looser with
Speaker 7: the language like say, the difference between violence and danger,
Speaker 7: you know, right, stuff like that? Right, I would say
Speaker 7: in general speak, I just want to know from the
Speaker 7: audience they wanted to leave comments or feedback, like what
Speaker 7: is their perception of danger versus violence like in their
Speaker 7: own lives and the decision making that they make, whether
Speaker 7: you decided you wanted to be part of something or
Speaker 7: if you didn't, and was that a consideration or was
Speaker 7: it not? Like how has that kind of interacted in
Speaker 7: your own thought process in your own life?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: So, so you want them to say, do you want
Speaker 2: them to say how they how do they see the
Speaker 2: difference between violence and danger?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Or if they see a difference between.
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Speaker 6: Yeah,