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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here

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Speaker 1: dissect and analyze what we've been witnessing and hoping, hoping

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Speaker 1: Raiders this Sunday. What do you think, guys?

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Speaker 3: I think it's been another tough game. I mean, they

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby, that's that's the problem. I'm sure right now

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Speaker 3: him up over a Darion low plenty, and you know,

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Speaker 3: and then the talent on offense too. It's enough, it

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Speaker 3: hasn't really broken free yet, you know, the Patriots of

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Speaker 3: on paper and it seems like, all right, it's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just gonna say, you know, this is

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Speaker 1: the turn to page game, and you know, we start

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Speaker 1: and you can see, even though they're not scoring points,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just dying over here. Still, it's a lot

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Speaker 4: but in general, they have pieces in New Orleans offensively

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Speaker 4: you got weapons, what's the problem. I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: Everybody likes to tell us he's a limited quarterback in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is a game where I'm predicting

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Speaker 3: A different kind that comes tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they will win the turnover battle.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, that's all that.

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Speaker 6: They have turned the ball over a lot, and before

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Speaker 6: last week they hadn't been taking it away at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the linebacker, who's that guy with the splane Splaine?

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Speaker 6: The play that the the game winning play was a

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Speaker 3: It was the maccollins Marcus Jones play from last year.

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Speaker 4: I just reminded the receiver. But same point stands. I

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Speaker 6: And I think that was over Jonathan Jones, not Marcus Jones.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that drive that tied the.

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Speaker 6: Game a different touchdown has gotten enough attention because of

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Speaker 6: the situation. They had a disastrous first half in that

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Speaker 6: and then Dougler makes the pick six. Familiar, right, Dougler

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Speaker 6: Mac Hollins stuff came in, Mike. Yeah, they started going

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Speaker 4: I think in a way, because of all the issues

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Speaker 4: this game against the Saints for me was the twenty

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Speaker 4: four percent pressure rate on Derek Carr. Besides, despite blitzing

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Speaker 1: That Judon effect.

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Speaker 4: they they tried pretty much everything to get after Theirs.

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Speaker 6: I would argue, even on one of the secks, they really.

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Speaker 4: Didn't have pressure Myles Bryan Sack. I mean that it

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Speaker 7: Know, and he just decided I'll just take the sack.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was twenty four percent. Pressure rate

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Speaker 1: On the offensive side of the ball. Do we think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I mean I think it's does that help

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Speaker 3: I like that, you know, their hand is forced a

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Speaker 3: got to get some extra snaps. So if it's not

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Speaker 3: some some different pieces there, try to get some speed

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Speaker 3: we'd all love to see Taekwon Thornton get out there

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Speaker 3: just you know, I'm not optimistic. I haven't seen that

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Speaker 1: One of the things, going back to the Dallas game,

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Speaker 1: and I think doing that with Thornton will help, you know,

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Speaker 7: And they did.

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Speaker 6: And you guys, I think, Kevin, you said when you

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Speaker 1: You know. And in terms of the atmosphere, I think

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Speaker 6: So we said that in Dallas, Yeah, I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: The secondary markets are such that it's so easy to

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Speaker 6: I think there are some enormous home fields. I don't

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Speaker 1: Of Patriots fans. Yeah, I mean if the Patriots, I.

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Speaker 6: Didn't get any of them. I mean, I know everybody

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Speaker 6: No, I mean, it's not about about ninety eight percent

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Speaker 4: The Packers released a statement saying that we know there

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Speaker 4: We're sorry, like you know, like please don't sell your

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Speaker 1: That's happening though. They're putting them on the secondary market,

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Speaker 3: Something to keep an eye. I can't control.

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Speaker 6: You certainly know a lot more about that stuff that

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Speaker 3: Argue with you're there. But I think Vegas is unique.

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Speaker 4: It's like the Chargers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because my initial reaction would be there's no way

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Speaker 3: But I think Vegas is different.

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Speaker 1: Vegas is definitely different. There's always more la there's always

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Speaker 6: Going to be a ton of Patriots fans in the

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean specifically to the Lions too. I feel

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Speaker 6: If Lambeau you finally have a good team, let's make

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Speaker 7: I think Vegas is a destination.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people, you know, speaking as one that

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Speaker 1: Why not if you're going to pick a road game.

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Speaker 6: That's a destination game. Like you know, a few years

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Speaker 6: I think Dallas was too. But I'd be surprised. I mean,

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Speaker 3: You guys are in every week.

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Speaker 4: I mean, get I have to admit I pay zero

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Speaker 1: Was something to cheer for. You would have heard the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I could not care less, but not not like

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Speaker 3: Again in the crowd looking for hot chicks in the stands, I.

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Speaker 6: Like to tease everybody. I actually agree with him. I

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Speaker 7: There were a lot of Detroit people there.

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Speaker 6: But the other night it was like noticeable there was

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Speaker 3: Be interesting what it sounds like this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you if it's if there's something to

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Speaker 7: Believe it or not, I don't think it's gonna be.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not like it was like you know in

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Speaker 4: It was just kind of like guys are like talking

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Speaker 1: The weekend that there was that was Jerry the Jerry's

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Speaker 3: It was like, guys, it's like guys in the crowd

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Speaker 4: Fred talking about we're gonna do after the game, like

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Speaker 6: Do you think because obviously that is a huge element

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Speaker 3: Like right now, that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 6: You know, go to Vegas, catch a Bruins game, go

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Speaker 3: It was funny. Are you gonna do that like every year? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: Well it's like fifteen people like fifteen years sustainable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, essentially their team has to do get its own follow.

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Speaker 1: I think for the Raiders it will. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they want a Stanley Cup, like if you

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Speaker 4: And Bruce brought the cup here to celebrate here because

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Speaker 7: But yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we're playing Vegas this week.

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Speaker 1: This is what we do.

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Speaker 7: Sunshine back.

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Speaker 1: No, but I think you know, like tune in at four,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a factor but you know it, it

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Speaker 4: I think they're cursed in that building until further notice.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just not going to pick the Patriots in

440
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Speaker 4: that stadium.

441
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Speaker 3: I didn't really want to go dig in that preseason game.

442
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Speaker 3: But what was like, it was just terrible offense, right Like,

443
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Speaker 3: I don't really remember the details of it, but I

444
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 3: remember last year's they just wanted to go home preseason

445
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:42,600
Speaker 3: they got thoroughly dominant.

446
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't even want to be there. I mean

447
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Speaker 1: literally they wanted out.

448
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Speaker 3: I just didn't. I didn't really want to bring it

449
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Speaker 3: up or relive it, but I remember it not being good.

450
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Speaker 4: We talked to the quarterback this morning.

451
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Speaker 3: It seemed cheaper.

452
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Speaker 4: It was an interesting conversation. I thought. One of the

453
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Speaker 4: awkward laugh the biggest takeaway. Yeah, the laugh was a

454
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Speaker 4: little awkward. The big takeaway that I that I had

455
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Speaker 4: from it, though, is him talking about how he hasn't

456
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 4: been communicating very well with his receivers the last he

457
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Speaker 4: said years, like a couple of years and you know

458
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Speaker 4: on film, I think that that you can see it,

459
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Speaker 4: you know, especially with Juju, but I think in general,

460
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Speaker 4: you're writing down and kind of making mental notes of like,

461
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Speaker 4: I'm not really sure if that route was exactly ran

462
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Speaker 4: the way that the quarterback is expecting him to run it.

463
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Speaker 4: And he he was talking about Dike having those types

464
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Speaker 4: of conversations with his receivers of like, hey, you know,

465
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Speaker 4: on this route, I really want you to, like, you know,

466
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Speaker 4: break it off like this, or you know, you broke

467
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Speaker 4: it off at six yards instead of at eight and

468
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Speaker 4: that threw me off, or like those types of things.

469
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Speaker 4: And I think that that's all over this film is

470
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 4: just a lack of overall trust in what they're doing,

471
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Speaker 4: Like you're going to be in the spot, and the

472
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Speaker 4: ball is going to be there when it's supposed to be,

473
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Speaker 4: and the protection's going to hold up when it's supposed

474
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Speaker 4: to and and I think that that's sort of the

475
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Speaker 4: conversations that are going on behind the walls.

476
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Speaker 3: It's it's weird to hear because I've always really thought

477
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Speaker 3: of Mac is like a pre snap field general, and

478
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Speaker 3: that's not something that.

479
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Speaker 4: Would well, I think he's like sort of talking. I

480
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Speaker 4: just Sorry, Taylor, I did think he was more talking

481
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Speaker 4: I know you're joking, but just to clarify, he's more

482
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Speaker 4: talking about like coming to the sideline after you know,

483
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Speaker 4: coming off the field and going up to a Pop

484
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Speaker 4: Douglas a Juju Smith, Schuster, Mike is SICKI and saying, hey,

485
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Speaker 4: you know on that route. I was really kind of

486
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Speaker 4: expecting you to be here and you were just like there,

487
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Speaker 4: And that's.

488
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Speaker 3: The brain to the Brady thing was like you were

489
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Speaker 3: on this blade of grass. I need you on that

490
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Speaker 3: blade of grass?

491
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Speaker 4: Correct?

492
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Speaker 3: Correct, Like that's how quickly?

493
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Speaker 4: And I think that that's that's all over the place

494
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Speaker 4: with this offense right now is just an overall lack

495
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Speaker 4: of It's not synced up right. And I'm not talking

496
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Speaker 4: about last year where like the drops were and SYNCD

497
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Speaker 4: up to the routes and like the spacing was a

498
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Speaker 4: massive more just talking about like the chemistry of the

499
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Speaker 4: players themselves.

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Speaker 6: So I also thought it was interesting again, and this

501
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Speaker 6: is the second week in a row. The question was

502
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Speaker 6: posted on to this was kind of about starting over,

503
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Speaker 6: you know, that was the theme post game and in

504
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Speaker 6: to Monday when they changed the schedule and we thought

505
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Speaker 6: maybe there would be changes. But he mac was asked

506
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Speaker 6: what starting over entails, and he talked a lot about

507
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Speaker 6: his footwork. He focused on his footwork, but his eyes.

508
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Speaker 6: And I keep talking about his eyes because that's what

509
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 6: looks to me like the problem is is that he

510
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 6: is too quickly looking at the pass rush and being

511
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Speaker 6: affected by the pass rush as opposed to keeping his

512
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Speaker 6: eyes downfield. Marry that with something Bill said this morning

513
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Speaker 6: about the pressure stats. Yeah, which you know, Bill's a

514
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 6: little like Paul.

515
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not.

516
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Speaker 3: Buying the stats. That's a by way out of that question. Huh, Yeah,

517
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Speaker 3: I don't, don't.

518
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Speaker 4: We just watched the games then, Bill, So you know,

519
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 4: and this is.

520
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Speaker 6: Why I think that maybe, you know, the problems that

521
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 6: we're seeing are not just going to go away. I

522
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 6: think there's some there's some internal stuff going on. And

523
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Speaker 6: Bill said, yeah, I'm not really sure about those pressure stats.

524
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Speaker 6: There are plays that he's pressured, there's plays that he's

525
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 6: not pressured. In other words, it's not all about the

526
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 6: pressure guys. So the quarterback's got to play better too. Yeah, yeah,

527
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 6: you know, And and I just think that that's what

528
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 6: they're trying to hammer to him, is like you have

529
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 6: to trust what you're seeing and just run the place,

530
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 6: keep your foot where your footwork has been a mess.

531
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Speaker 6: We've talked about that, Evan talked about that. To Evan's credit,

532
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Speaker 6: when he was playing reasonably well, he was talking about

533
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Speaker 6: some of the throws he was making with with kind

534
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Speaker 6: of bad footwork and mechanics. So there's a lot of

535
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Speaker 6: stuff to fix.

536
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Speaker 3: Does he have the yips?

537
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Speaker 4: Yeah, is what I think. Like, I think that even

538
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 4: in the clean pockets, you look at an anti quarterback

539
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 4: like it's just an unsettled anti quarterback. And if I

540
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 4: see him throw with his feet parallel to the line

541
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 4: of scrimmage, again, I'm gonna like, you know, like you

542
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 4: gotta cut that stuff out right, Like you got to

543
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 4: cut out the fadeaways, the back foot Mac, the parallel

544
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 4: feet to the line of scrimmage, because you're just bracing,

545
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: you know, for contact. And I think in a lot

546
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 4: of ways that's playing quarterback. You got to step into

547
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 4: the throw and if you get hit, you get hit.

548
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 4: That's the position.

549
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Speaker 1: Well, both bills were asked, you know it was Mac

550
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: going to start this week, and both said yes, but

551
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: what happens if Mac has a bad practice?

552
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Speaker 3: You know, I mean and that's I mean, I think

553
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Speaker 3: it goes to the point Bill O'Brien said where it was. Look,

554
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Speaker 3: we're just we want to have a good fundamental day

555
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 3: today and we'll see where that gets us and tomorrow.

556
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Speaker 1: You know.

557
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Speaker 3: So I think even they are are pulling back on

558
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Speaker 3: you know, when they ask Bill O'Brien, he's like.

559
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Speaker 6: I think so, I think so, you know, like it

560
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 6: wasn't like, of course, not making any we're not making

561
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Speaker 6: any changes, right.

562
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Speaker 4: I wonder if that is everything or just quarterback. I

563
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 4: think he's as specifically just about quarterbacks. I assume it

564
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 4: was just quarterback. But if they don't make some changes

565
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 4: on the offensive line, then I don't really know what

566
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 4: they're doing. Like if they roll and you know, in

567
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 4: health permitted, right, like if Mike on WNU and Cole

568
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 4: Strange aren't available, then they can't play those guys. But

569
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 4: they have to find something better than Viderian Low. They

570
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 4: they have to find something better, Like I don't whether

571
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 4: it's Riley Reef out there on Wenny out there for

572
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 4: the love of God calling Layout Collins and offering him

573
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 4: a contract, Like they they have to find somebody better

574
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 4: at right tackle than Vederian Low. And I hope that

575
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 4: the guards get healthy and they get and you talk

576
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 4: about like starting over, like that's the whole mantra here

577
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 4: this week, Like why don't you just go back to

578
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 4: the line that you thought you were going to have,

579
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 4: Like what's wrong with that? Because this is clearly not working.

580
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 4: So even if Riley Reef looked rough at tackle and

581
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 4: training camp, it can't be much worse than this. So

582
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 4: let's just go back to in March when you sign

583
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: the tackles you said it was gonna be Brown Strange

584
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 4: Andrews on Wenny Reef, Like just just play that on

585
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 4: Sunday and see.

586
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: What happened though you just don't know though with him

587
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: when you and and Cole Strange still hurt, like you

588
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: know what I mean, those are that's the complication of

589
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: it all. And I mean, I I see what you're saying.

590
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 3: We saw them when you walked through the locker room

591
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 3: yesterday and you know it wasn't dumping or anything. Looked okay.

592
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, speaking of injuries, Judan's still not on ir Yeah,

593
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Speaker 1: so they they do think that he has a shot.

594
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Speaker 3: I mean, even if they thought he had a shot,

595
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: like they mean, they could put him out right.

596
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Speaker 6: Back in three weeks playing the next three games, right,

597
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 6: That's what I don't really understand it.

598
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 7: I don't understand it.

599
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: I think it's financial, Okay, is the money thing to it.

600
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Speaker 4: I think that there's nobody that they deem worthy of

601
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Speaker 4: the roster spot, so there's no reason to give a

602
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 4: raise to a practice squad player by signing him to

603
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 4: the fifty three man roster.

604
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Speaker 1: That seems weird. I mean mean we're talking about pennies.

605
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: But no, I mean yeah, but like, who who were

606
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: who on the practice squad is going to get again

607
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 4: his spot?

608
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 8: Right?

609
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: Farms and Munson are the ones that have already been

610
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: promoted twice, so those would probably be I mean, Farms

611
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 3: would probably be the top candidate, or maybe Rigger if

612
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: they like him. I don't know, I mean I'm not really.

613
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Speaker 4: Pretty good twice just want Yeah, I mean, they put

614
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 4: Christian Gonzales on IR knowing that his season was over,

615
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: but also because they wanted to make a roster spot

616
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: for Riley Reef, so they put you know, that was

617
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 4: the that was the transaction.

618
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you could see, wait and see with Thornton

619
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: if they have to, you know, if they're gonna activate

620
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: Thornton or Cody Davis or Trey Flowers.

621
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Speaker 6: Then this might be a bad assumption, but I would

622
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 6: assume that that Thornton is activated this week. So someone's

623
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 6: gonna have to go yep, right, and.

624
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 4: Then you'll see the move because there's somebody worth taking

625
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 4: the spot.

626
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 6: But will it be him or will it be you know,

627
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 6: one of the receivers that's dealing with a concussion maybe

628
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 6: you know who knows?

629
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I look, I I hope that Juju

630
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: is is on a personal level, I hope he's physically okay.

631
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: Obviously, but frets that roots form injuries and not from Patrigan.

632
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 4: Placing him on on injured reserve. And you know, we

633
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 4: talk about like with Mac, you know, both Bills were

634
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: asked about mental breaks for that guy might just need

635
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: a mental break and a physical break and just a

636
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 4: break generally just in general, Like it hasn't workedreak to

637
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: break out and it hasn't worked out, and it's it's

638
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 4: almost kind of convenient. I hate to say it that way,

639
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 4: but like now you have a reason to not play

640
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: him right, And it's not like we're all going to

641
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: sit here and be like you have this sixteen million

642
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 4: dollar receiver.

643
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: On the safe face, we're sniffing around the same thing, Evan,

644
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 3: right now, yeah, yeah.

645
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Eight five five past five hundred is

646
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Speaker 1: the A Sticket hotline web radio at patries dot com

647
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: is the email address. Let's get to the phones. Patty's

648
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: an agawam. What's up, Patty?

649
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 9: What's up?

650
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: John?

651
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: Hey, Patty.

652
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 10: I just wanted to go over a couple of things,

653
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 10: a couple of positives, and then I want to address

654
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 10: what one of the things you guys said yesterday, Polly.

655
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 10: The interview with you and Rodney Harrison and Matt Smith

656
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 10: was absolutely freaking awesome. I just I forgot to call

657
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 10: in last week and play you that.

658
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: But thank you.

659
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Speaker 10: My only complaint that it was too short.

660
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was. He was a little busy that night.

661
00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: He was.

662
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 7: He squeaks in, so we we took what we could get.

663
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, I understand. He's my out of all my you know,

664
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 10: thirty plus years of the NFN. He's my second favorite

665
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 10: Patriot of all time, behind Brady, even though.

666
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: Brady, Yeah, Drew's up there too, but he was.

667
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 6: Just great Harrison. Fred will tell you Harrison supplanted Drew

668
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 6: in my rankings. Yeah, that's how much I like Rodney too.

669
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm I'm very excited to see what Taekwon can

670
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 10: possibly bring to this to this offense this week if

671
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 10: he's activated. That's the one positive I had. And when

672
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 10: you guys were saying yesterday, you know, well fans after

673
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 10: Bill retires, you know, will they come back and and

674
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 10: cheer them?

675
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 8: Of course?

676
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 10: You know, it's you know, it's preposterous to think that

677
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 10: everything that he did for this franchise. I mean you

678
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 10: look at the mess that he inherited in two thousands

679
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 10: and the next year they win the freaking Super Bowl

680
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 10: and Brady wasn't Brady. Then you know, say what you

681
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 10: want that was. That was mostly you know, a full compliment,

682
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 10: complimentary team win throughout those playoffs, and I would I

683
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 10: would say to three and o four you could you

684
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 10: can make the arguments for that too, but just you

685
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 10: know the mess. I said this after the Dallas game,

686
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 10: I mean, this offense that it's not gonna unless you know,

687
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 10: Taekwon Thorpe has the savior, it's probably not going to

688
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 10: get any better this year. You know, I hope I

689
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 10: have my fingers crossed, Freddy, but you know, I think

690
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 10: I think it kind of is what it is, and

691
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 10: that's all I got.

692
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: Thanks, Patty. Uh, let's go to Eddie in l A.

693
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: What's up Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie? All right, Freddy call

694
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: back Michael's in Miami. What's up Michael on line three? Yeah?

695
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, more perfect.

696
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 11: So just you know, it's just been so much negativity

697
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 11: from the team late at least, so I thought maybe

698
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 11: we'd take it into a positive approach. And I'm only

699
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 11: twenty seven years old, so obviously I've been so spoiled now.

700
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: For so long.

701
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 11: And I remember my first game in sixth grade, staying

702
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 11: up late to make sure I got to watch that

703
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 11: Monday night football with the Bills and pass and you know,

704
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 11: watch Bratty have that four minute comeback in the game,

705
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 11: and it's just such a great memory of mine. And

706
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 11: I'd love to hear some of y'all's favorite memories and

707
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 11: games over that, you know, Dynasty run that really take

708
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 11: you back to the good old days, and just to

709
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 11: appreciate what Bill and Brady have done for the franchise.

710
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you.

711
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: It'll be time for that right now.

712
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 7: We'll do a little that in the off seas.

713
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: Just we're just worried about.

714
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: That was a good game. I was at that game.

715
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: That was a fun game. Oh yeah, well people were leaving.

716
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: Those are off season shows, you know, reminiscing.

717
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 6: About trivia, right trivia? You recall Brady threw two touchdown

718
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 6: passes to Benjamin Watson.

719
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 3: In the last like four minutes. Yeah, how how who

720
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: fumbled for the Bills to give the Patriots le Otis McKelvin,

721
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: excellent job, job, well done, Brandon Merriweather Big What was

722
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: he doing bringing it out?

723
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean.

724
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: You talk about like dumb decisions that helped, like ow

725
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: the door.

726
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 6: So I actually think it was the right decision to

727
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 6: bring the ball out because he wanted the clock to

728
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 6: run down of the two minute warning, which is something

729
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 6: that if a Patriot had done during that time, we

730
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 6: would have written books about. The only difference is the

731
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 6: Patriots returner wouldn't have fumbled the ball.

732
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: Ron and Conway, New Hampshire. I only have a couple

733
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: thoughts considering that our season, in my opinion, is over,

734
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: so Thornton is supposedly off ir and Mac will start.

735
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: Our old line still sucks, and I feel like Mac

736
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: has lost the team and they don't trust him at all,

737
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: which is why there's constant mistakes. I'd love to blame

738
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: Mac one hundred, but I can't entirely. The most gray

739
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: area in the wide receiver room is Taekwon. I mean,

740
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: is he really gonna a play or start? And if

741
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: he does, will he actually make a difference in the

742
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: game before he gets hurt again? This team is in

743
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: disarray right now and has no focus. As far as

744
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: Bill saying they're starting over, what the hell does that

745
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: even mean? Anyway, just asking your opinion.

746
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: On things, it can't possibly be working.

747
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: Ed Thornton make a difference.

748
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 4: Nobody is making a difference at the moment, so like

749
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: might as well try. And I would say the same

750
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: thing about Kaishawan Boudi at this point. I'm not the

751
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 4: biggest fan of in general, but at this point, if

752
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: if he can catch one like he did in the

753
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 4: preseason and break a tackle and make a big play happen,

754
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: all for it a touchdown. Let the kids play, Let

755
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: you know, let some new guys get in there. It's

756
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 4: clearly not working with DeVante Parker and Juju and and

757
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: Kendrick Bourne, So why what's.

758
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: The harm I can't see Parker's snaps getting like limited

759
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: at all though, you know, like he like it feels

760
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: like no matter what, he is going to be out

761
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: there and Ma's gonna keep taking those shots to him.

762
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's frustrating.

763
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: Let's go to Spi and Fresnough what's up Speed?

764
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

765
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Speaker 1: I love that.

766
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 12: Paul's line, why is Fred on birth control?

767
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 10: Yesterday? Hilarious?

768
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 12: It's like classic PFW where used tonak a good one

769
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 12: in there?

770
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: I miss that because you're always I'm always Mike, Mike.

771
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 12: Mike's good as those Fred is just more over the top,

772
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 12: just knock.

773
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 9: You over the head.

774
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 12: So like, uh, on all PFW shows, someone used to

775
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 12: say that it's like it's maybe a little dangerous to

776
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 12: trying to figure out what's going on in Bill's mind.

777
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 12: But I did have a question about that. Maybe you

778
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 12: guys could help me. I'm better to better understand it

779
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 12: because so he consistently, he consistently acts like he doesn't

780
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 12: maybe care what anyone else thinks, But that's got to

781
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 12: be a total front because he's obsessed with the history

782
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 12: of the game and he has to like care about

783
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 12: his legacy in it. So like unless he's gone mister

784
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 12: Magoo right now, and I don't think he's done that.

785
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 12: He must think that everything that's gone on post Brady

786
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 12: with his coaching and GMing, like somehow they're not damaging

787
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 12: his legacy. Like he must be thinking that either histories,

788
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 12: like the history is going to forget these three or

789
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 12: four years, or the good statement on everyone not named Bill.

790
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 12: I mean, that's got to be what's going on in

791
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 12: his head, right.

792
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: That's a tough place to get into. I mean, I

793
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: don't know. I part of me wonders if like he preaches,

794
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: and I like this about him as a coach, is

795
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: that he preaches, you know, focus on today, focus on

796
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: the moment, you know, and I just it's impossible, I'd

797
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: say for most people not to think about those things,

798
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: to think about the big picture, and oh my god,

799
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 3: like jeez, it's been a really rough run and everything

800
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: I've been doing is bad. But you know, part of

801
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: me wonders if he really really just kind of stays

802
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 3: focused on we lost last week. We got to know

803
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 3: play better this week, like you know what I mean,

804
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: if he really lives that. But I don't know how

805
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: he would do it. I mean I certainly know if

806
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 3: myself in that position, it would be snowballing for me

807
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: all the you know, the decisions that I made that

808
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: haven't worked, and you know, it feels like you're trying

809
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: to help the team, but in some ways you're hurting

810
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 3: the team. And I don't know. I mean, it's it's

811
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: it's a tough person to figure out.

812
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 6: When I say that, I don't think that Bill cares

813
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 6: about what people think. I'm talking about fans. I think

814
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 6: Bill very much cares about what peers in you know,

815
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 6: the history of the game thinks.

816
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 7: I think you don't.

817
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 6: You think Freddy, But he cares about his legacy and

818
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 6: how he's perceived.

819
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: But I bet are those people going to change? Like

820
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 4: I don't think that those people are going to change

821
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 4: their mind.

822
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't.

823
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 7: I don't either.

824
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 6: But like us in in the in the fans, and

825
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 6: like when we're saying he needs to make a change

826
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 6: a quarterback, he doesn't really care what Paul thinks that

827
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 6: they need to do a quarterback.

828
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: I think he cares about making the right decision and winning.

829
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: But I don't think what other people think is going

830
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: to affect those decisions.

831
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 7: Right, That's what I guess that you said it better.

832
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: Than he believes in what he believes, you know, and

833
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: that's how he that dictates his decision making.

834
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: The question is, you know, is it antiquated?

835
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, that that's one of the questions.

836
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 12: My biggest point there before about kind of selectively maybe

837
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 12: forgetting and just putting on flinders and going onto the

838
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 12: next week. That there's an advantage to that, but there's

839
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 12: a disadvantage of that too, if you're not making your

840
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 12: picture adjustments in parallel with that.

841
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, kind of the macro view of it. I

842
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, it's you know, we got we

843
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: had them this morning at the press conference, and it's

844
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: the same old Bill, you know, like you would have

845
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: no idea. They're one and four and coming off with

846
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: two of the worst losses that he's ever coached the

847
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: team to.

848
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: Yep, we're all right, all right, thanks babe. I mean

849
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: the problem is he really can't say what he's thinking,

850
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, because to his credit, he's not going to

851
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: throw people under the bus. You know. It's it's we're

852
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: all we all need to do better, we all need coaches, everybody.

853
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: That's that's what it is.

854
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 4: But it's but it's his fault, so like it in

855
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 4: order to throw people under the bus, you'd have to

856
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: throw himself under the bus first. Like they're in this

857
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 4: position because of him, so like to sit there and

858
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 4: like if I give him credit, I guess for not

859
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 4: putting fingers, but if he starts pointing at other people,

860
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: then like it's like, well wait a second. And I

861
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: think that's where you know, to a degree, I think

862
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: that's where Mac comes from with it is like everybody,

863
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 4: you're blaming me, Like you're telling me that, well, fifty

864
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 4: percent of the time, Mac, you're not under pressure, even

865
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 4: though fifty percent of the time I am. And like

866
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 4: then it, you know, affects the clean pocket, you know,

867
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 4: you know stuff as much as it does the other stuff.

868
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: And I have nobody to throw to.

869
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's my fault.

870
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: You're talking about GM Bill, Yeah, for sure.

871
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 4: I mean he and Coach Bill. He built the coach Bill.

872
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 4: I think both Bills.

873
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still have faith in Coach Bill. You know,

874
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe I'm just naive.

875
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 6: No, Well, first of all, anybody that has been watching

876
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 6: the Patriots for two decades that feels like Bill is

877
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 6: still good, Like why would that be wrong? Like this

878
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 6: guy has put together a program unlike any other. So

879
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 6: I don't think anybody that thinks that he can still

880
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 6: coach at a high level is wrong, Like you have

881
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 6: twenty years of evidence to prove you aside. I just

882
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 6: don't like some of the things I've seen coaching wise.

883
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 6: And my big thing is the thing I always talk about.

884
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 6: It's just his mentality of how you structure a team

885
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 6: now and I think the whole notion of the you know,

886
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 6: the big play receiver he does not agree with.

887
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, it's interest in policy actually thinking

888
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: about this because we've we've talked about this a couple

889
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: of times. It's like, you know, I get that he

890
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: believes it, but there's a disconnect because he's got the

891
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: thirty second ranked special teams in the league for the

892
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: second year in a row. You know, like like things

893
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: are going wrong that even he subscribes to, Like you know,

894
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: if the Patriots still somehow are like the best special teams,

895
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: then you know they're one and four and you know,

896
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: but it's it's like, what's the disconnect for him? Like

897
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: he can't even execute what he believes now, you know.

898
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 6: And it's like, you know, so everybody points to Chad Rylands, right,

899
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 6: you know, and it's the field, So he's four for eight.

900
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 6: If Nick Folk was here, what would he be six

901
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 6: for eight? Probably six for seven because they probably wouldn't

902
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 6: have attempted the fifty seven yard yeah, right in the rain. Right,

903
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 6: he missed a forty eight yard field goal last week

904
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 6: in the game they lost thirty four to nothing, and

905
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 6: they missed a forty eight yard field goal the previous

906
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 6: week in the game they lost thirty eight to three.

907
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: In a dome, right right, they wouldn't make a difference.

908
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 6: So, in other words, if Nick Folk was here and

909
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 6: made all the kicks that Chad Ryland dismissed, you'd be

910
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 6: one and four, which is kind of my special team's

911
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 6: point in a nutshell, Yeah.

912
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 7: Like it doesn't.

913
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 6: I'm not excusing the fact that they haven't been good

914
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 6: on special teams because it's not just about field goal kicking.

915
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 6: They haven't been good on special teams on a consistent level.

916
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 6: Through the five games. They had plays here and there.

917
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 6: They had a good punt return. I think Marcus Jones

918
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 6: had a good punt return the first week, Ty Montgomery

919
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 6: had a good kick return the first week, and the

920
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 6: block field goal was outstanding. There's been a lot of

921
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 6: bad plays too, not just missed field goals. I think

922
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 6: everybody puts this Chad Ryland, she had nick Folk, why'd

923
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 6: you fix something that wasn't broken.

924
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like and to your point too, like where's

925
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: Chris board Like? You know we were this is you know,

926
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: he trumpeted him last year when he came in with

927
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: the Lions and.

928
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 6: Well, but the point like he like, like Chris board

929
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 6: like lined up incorrectly on a kickoff that was one

930
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 6: of the penalties.

931
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 3: You know, lined up improperly.

932
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 6: This is the guy that you targeted as one of

933
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 6: the best special teams players in the league.

934
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 7: Matthew Slater has three penalties.

935
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 6: Now, one of them was garbage because it wasn't his

936
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 6: fault that he was out of bounds and happened to

937
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 6: go back in and the ball bounced into the back

938
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 6: of his leg and he was a call for illegal touching.

939
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 6: That's a little unfortunate, but it's just I think indicative

940
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 6: of I mean special teams.

941
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: When you're a competitive team, that could be the difference

942
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: between winning or losing a game. If when you're getting blown.

943
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 6: Out, yeah it doesn't matter, and I get it, Like

944
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 6: last year, you're giving up multiple kick returns for touchdowns,

945
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 6: you're getting punts blocked. You know that that a big

946
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 6: that's like disaster special teams that's costing you games. That

947
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 6: hasn't happened this year. Even though your special teams are struggling,

948
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 6: you're not giving up kick returns every game and getting

949
00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 6: punts blocked every game.

950
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just special teams thing, is what it is.

951
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 4: But like I just I don't know if he's particularly

952
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 4: like game planned all that well on defense. And that's

953
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: like supposed to be the one thing that we can

954
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 4: always like hang our hats on is that Bill will

955
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: have a plan defensively and they'll figure like in all

956
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 4: the games this year. Besides I guess the Eagles game.

957
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 4: I think they had a decent plan, but that was

958
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 4: also Week one and they had all off season to prepare,

959
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: and the Eagles were sloppy, and you know, Mike McDaniel

960
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 4: pants them again when they played the Dolphins the Cowboys

961
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: right down the field.

962
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: But I'll again go with your.

963
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 6: Point for the for the game plan first drive of

964
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 6: the season, the Eagles went right down the field, had goal.

965
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: To go, and you forced a field goal because he

966
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 4: tripped all over himself.

967
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 6: Okay, no, but he went, they went right down the

968
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 6: field and you ended up getting a stop. But my

969
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 6: point is the other team drove seventy yards, yeah, kicked

970
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 6: a field goal. The next week Miami drove seventy yards.

971
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 6: That was the game that to were tripped on third

972
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 6: down field goal. But where is the I'm playing now?

973
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 6: Against the Jets, it was a three and out because

974
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 6: that was the's you know. And then again first first

975
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 6: drive of the Dallas game, right down the field, field

976
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 6: goal and most of these were followed up with another

977
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 6: scoring drive. This, by the way, this conversation at the

978
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 6: beginning of the game, they're not ready to play defense either, yep.

979
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 3: And then this conversation is gonna happen next week with

980
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: the same thing with Josh Allen for all right, what

981
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: do you got this time?

982
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 4: How many years are you gonna go? Like basically, and

983
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: I this is one thing I I kind of agree

984
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 4: with Badard on they've sort of just given up trying

985
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 4: to defend the Bills and the Dolphins at this point,

986
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 4: like they're just they just go into these games and

987
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: they're like, just don't just don't hang forty on us, right,

988
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: Like we're gonna play three deep safeties or we're gonna play,

989
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 4: you know, against Josh Allen, We're gonna just play like

990
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 4: soft zone coverage and just keep the top on the

991
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 4: defense and just as long as you guys don't score

992
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 4: forty points, then we're gonna be fine like that.

993
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: You know that.

994
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 6: That's that's okay with us. Like it just they're being

995
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 6: outscored thirty six to six in the first quarter.

996
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 3: That's not all. Imagine the pick six And if you

997
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: imagine if you went back into last year with that too,

998
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 3: I mean it would be even out clearing.

999
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 7: Because that's been a problem.

1000
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, But with Josh Allen, I just I'd love to

1001
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: ask him, like, do you change the plan? Like, you know,

1002
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: have you evolved the plan? I mean, none of them

1003
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: have worked, But each time you face them, do you

1004
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: come up with something different to try to throw? It

1005
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: just seems like we're gonna spend the dial and try

1006
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: not to let him hit deep shots on us and

1007
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: then hope that he's gonna throw us some interceptions and

1008
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: if he doesn't, we're gonna lose. For what is at

1009
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: seven eight? However many times they we'll.

1010
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 4: Lose like thirty one to seventeen instead of forty five

1011
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,000
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Speaker 15: Yeah, not the knockoff on Twitter?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Question one.

1042
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 14: In December two thousand and five, in a game against

1043
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 14: the Buccaneers, which offensive lineman caught his first NFL touchdown

1044
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 14: pass after lining up as an eligible tight end?

1045
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: All right, well I don't know that one, all right,

1046
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: that's question one.

1047
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: Question two.

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Speaker 14: The Patriots first playoff game in franchise history was in

1049
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 14: the AFL in nineteen sixty three. They defeated the Buffalo

1050
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 14: Bills in the AFL Divisional Playoff twenty six to eight. However,

1051
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 14: they lost the AFL Championship game fifty one to ten

1052
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 14: to which other AFL team?

1053
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 4: Okay?

1054
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: I know that one.

1055
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 14: And question three this is going to segue very well

1056
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 14: into our topic for the day. All right, what year

1057
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 14: did you Lett Stadium? Switch to artificial turf. All right,

1058
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 14: send your answers into web radio at Patriots dot com

1059
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 14: and guys, that is the topic for the day. It's

1060
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 14: a big hot topic in the league. Natural grass, hot

1061
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 14: hot topic, natural grass verse, artificial turf. What should the

1062
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 14: league go by?

1063
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 11: What?

1064
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: Like, we know what the players want.

1065
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts? Just like whatever makes the most money?

1066
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 3: Like how can we make the most money. I don't

1067
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 3: really care about health a cls like just money. We

1068
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: need the concerts, we need high school football games. We

1069
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: need to be able to do multiple note. I mean

1070
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: that's probably what the NFL thinks. And that's like I

1071
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: don't think there's really much chance of I mean, I

1072
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 3: know the World Cup's coming, Patisse, and you're you're a

1073
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 3: soccer guy, so I know that there's like FIFA, don't.

1074
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 14: They have to have require that all all stadiums must

1075
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 14: be grass like to certain specifications. When players such as

1076
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 14: Messi and Tierri and Ree coming to the MLS, they

1077
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 14: sometimes have it written in their contracts that they can't

1078
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 14: play on turf.

1079
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a legit thing. So it's coming here

1080
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: that much money.

1081
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 15: You're just like, yeah, I won't I don't play on

1082
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 15: in these games if it's yeah.

1083
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: Like I don't write on any keyboard other than plastics, Like.

1084
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 7: I don't want to.

1085
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 4: Can we have like our own things like my finger,

1086
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 4: my finger got jammed in this plastic keyboard. I'm if

1087
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: it's raining, I work from home, like I can, I

1088
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 4: can I set that president.

1089
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 15: Cling is dripping on me from my desk.

1090
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 3: I won't await that is what happening. But so so

1091
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 3: here to let they're gonna place, They're gonna hill grass

1092
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Speaker 3: in for a couple of years.

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Speaker 14: Five and then through the twenty twenty six season, and

1094
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 14: who knows if the issue will be resolved by then,

1095
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 14: Like who knows, But.

1096
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any issue to really resolve, Like

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00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: I just don't think the NFL is ever going to

1098
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: go back to grass because like for here, they couldn't

1099
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: do concerts, they couldn't do high school games. And I

1100
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 3: don't want to ruin what the trivia was, but it

1101
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: was a total mess and that necessitated like literally the

1102
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 3: switch on the fly, but it wasn't.

1103
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 4: I had to like I'm not you know me, I'm

1104
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 4: not like this like football guy like that, but like,

1105
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 4: isn't that football like Cory Dillon with the mud on

1106
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 4: the jersey and like that Pyton.

1107
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 14: Yeah, when we were just battering him and his white Colts,

1108
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 14: jersey was just brown and green.

1109
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the way it's supposed to. I mean,

1110
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: I think to be fair. Though, there's a line that

1111
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 3: like if it gets too muddy, this isn't like football anymore.

1112
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: This is just like I much stopping in the mic,

1113
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: like it playing.

1114
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 14: In the mud in the longest yard when they like,

1115
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 14: oh yeah, when they do some backyard bullshit.

1116
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: Oh so I have I have some some.

1117
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 4: Some analytics on this from data. So I guess from

1118
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 4: a player perspective, the NFL p A and players, slit

1119
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 4: film turf is the problem.

1120
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Speaker 3: So that's the turf slit film.

1121
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the turf at Medlife that is a disaster

1122
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 4: along with my voice, and that's the that's the the

1123
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 4: turf that Justin Jefferson just got heard on as well

1124
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 4: in Minnesota. So slit film turf needs to go. Other

1125
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 4: types of turf apparently are better, but not that film.

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Speaker 15: That just really accounts for injury wise, not necessarily the

1127
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 15: dangerous chemicals.

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00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: I don't I I don't think anybody cares about the chemicals.

1129
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Speaker 15: Well, the state of California cares. There's currently multiple loss

1130
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 15: suits right now. Mark's Vineyard here too, pretty close to home.

1131
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 15: That's Mike to your point. I think the only way

1132
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 15: this changes is if it literally gets banned by governments,

1133
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 15: because starting to see happen California. There's lawsuits. There's a

1134
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 15: lawsuit in Martha's Vineyard. But yeah, like these pifos are

1135
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 15: like really dangerous forever chemicals that if you're practicing on

1136
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 15: this turf all the time, if you're playing games on it.

1137
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 15: I mean they've been able to try and link the

1138
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 15: the cancer diagnosis rare brain cancer. A bunch of Phillies

1139
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 15: players all got the same type of cancer that they

1140
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 15: linked back to the turf that they were practicing and

1141
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 15: playing on. So the links are starting to get made.

1142
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 15: It's kind of in its infancy right now, but I

1143
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 15: think we're going to start to see lawsuits, especially in

1144
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 15: the more earthy, crunchy places throughout the country. It'll start there,

1145
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 15: but then it'll really expand.

1146
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: I think I was about to make a joke that

1147
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 3: you know, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, there's

1148
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: just a giant football field floating right, you know, like

1149
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: and vortex out there. But I won't because that's on

1150
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 3: top of the trash. That sounds pretty serious. They're gonna

1151
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: just play on that on the middle of the Pacific.

1152
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't, I don't know. I guess we'll

1153
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 3: see if they are, what kind of injuries there are

1154
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: when they do go back to grass, and if there

1155
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 3: are less injuries than perhaps the nfl P will have

1156
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 3: some some ammo to say, hey, is there a way

1157
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 3: to get around, like you guys still being able to

1158
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: do concerts and you know, use the field throughout the week.

1159
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: I mean, we know here how much there's always just

1160
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: teams of concert people out there.

1161
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: You hear.

1162
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 3: You don't hear any construction right now, which is rare,

1163
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: but usually you do because that's what they're doing. They're

1164
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: setting up stuff and putting stuff on top of that.

1165
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 4: I also wonder is there like cleat technology that we

1166
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 4: can get into that because I think a big problem

1167
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 4: is is that players their their feet and their cleats

1168
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 4: are getting stuck in the turf and then they go

1169
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 4: to cut in their foot stays and their knegos.

1170
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 3: Right or there AI clean.

1171
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 4: So is there something that Nike whatever can do to

1172
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: update cleet technology.

1173
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 3: But are they wearing.

1174
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 15: Normal cleats on turf yet?

1175
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 3: No, it's just it's normal cleete technology.

1176
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 14: The thing I want to get into there are two parts.

1177
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 14: One is everybody talks about the injuries. You know, you

1178
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 14: see Aaron Rodgers achilles pretty much explode.

1179
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: That's on turf.

1180
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 14: But then the next week or two weeks later, Nick

1181
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 14: Chubb has that catastrophic injury and that's on grass. So like,

1182
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 14: oh look at this, Yeah, it's football stuff happens. But

1183
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 14: what's interesting is people don't talk about a lot. Lambeau

1184
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 14: Field has one of the only types of grass like this.

1185
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 14: It's grass that's mixed with turf. And that's why I

1186
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 14: like remember back in the Earth twenty tens, like once

1187
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 14: you hit playoff season, it was straight bread. It was straight,

1188
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 14: straight brown mud. But that's why Lambo's so good now

1189
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 14: because they're using a hybrid. And I mean they still

1190
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 14: have all the concerts because I don't think there's any

1191
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 14: other places of concerts in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

1192
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 15: I think there's at least one more stadium using that

1193
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 15: hybrid too.

1194
00:52:53,800 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: Trash trash. I like the other one better, Purff. But

1195
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 3: let's let's get into that girf technology. Maybe use some

1196
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: of Evans cleats and though we'll come up with an answer.

1197
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, But I'm challenging. Is Nike a sponsor, Matt, like,

1198
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 4: can I do this? I'm challenging Nike to make better

1199
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 4: cleats for the turf. Do better?

1200
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 3: They just wear like we couldn't.

1201
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 15: Wear indoor soccer? Could you had?

1202
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 3: Sambos guy back?

1203
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 14: All right, guys, good, good topic here.

1204
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: I think we got to the bottom of it.

1205
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: We got yeah, Nike girl, bring well the girl we

1206
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: found on Instagram.

1207
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 14: We're gonna bring her the health guru.

1208
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: Instagram exactly.

1209
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 14: All right, guys, send your answers in the webreary dot com.

1210
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 14: You're going to do you half that show.

1211
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Speaker 16: Like when someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes,

1212
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 16: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of

1213
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 16: to the livery everyone could focus on the perfect opening

1214
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Speaker 16: night FedEx where now it's next for residential delivery only.

1215
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Speaker 3: And now great moments in.

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Speaker 1: History.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't I wasn't born for for eighty five obviously,

1218
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 4: But you know my dad, my uncle's, you know, grandfathers.

1219
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,479
Speaker 4: They would tell me about stories about that Super Bowl

1220
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 4: and they were just happy to beat in that Super Bowl,

1221
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 4: and they knew they were going to get their doors

1222
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: blown off by the eighty five Bears.

1223
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 3: Like there was nothing.

1224
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 4: There was no conversation of whether or not they were

1225
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 4: going to win that game. But the Packers Super Bowl,

1226
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 4: they they probably should have won the game just the

1227
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: way that the game unfolded. And to me, Parcels is

1228
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 4: much to blame. I mean Reggie White, like, can we

1229
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 4: we don't put a tight end over there, chip them,

1230
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 4: like do something.

1231
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: This is all retroactive because how old were you in

1232
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 3: ninety six four? He's so mad, like you're kicking off

1233
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: the desman little bit the Evan get mad whipping his blanket.

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Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 4: Score Big.

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Speaker 4: Say Paul in the copy, I think it did.

1243
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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have a power recliner ball.

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Speaker 7: Yeah you do.

1245
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Speaker 4: I do too.

1246
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 6: They're part of the sectional. Yeah, it's not like a

1247
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 6: separate recline.

1248
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 3: Like battery operated or like you don't have electric you

1249
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Speaker 3: plug it in.

1250
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a massage too, but it's it's nice.

1251
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Speaker 3: I mean you don't even have to pull the thing out.

1252
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Speaker 7: What's that to get one of those at Brookstone?

1253
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Speaker 4: No, it's from Bob's.

1254
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Speaker 3: Okay, you go, Yeah, I got a real customer here, Yeah,

1255
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Speaker 3: real real.

1256
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Speaker 7: Maybe the next time you can put Evans name in

1257
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Speaker 7: the copy. Hi, I'm Evan Lazar.

1258
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 4: You might know me from pay Off min.

1259
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Speaker 1: When I'm watching All twenty two, I need to be

1260
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: comfortable because it's an all day affair.

1261
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 4: That's true. I sit in the recliner. That's that's where

1262
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 4: I said, really, oh.

1263
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought I pictured you at a desk with notes,

1264
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 3: like one of those couple of screens.

1265
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 7: One of those lights on his head, you know, for Nope.

1266
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 4: Extra a couple and like sometimes Atlas like wants to

1267
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 4: join and I'm just like all right, like fine, and

1268
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 4: but then he gets in the way.

1269
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 3: He sees the Patriots film and he's like wolf like

1270
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: you said it outlets all right?

1271
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: Eight five five past five hundred is the ACE ticket

1272
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: hotline at the halftime show, the show within the show

1273
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 1: we gave away? What do we give Away's gone?

1274
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 6: You know the iway a lot of give me, give

1275
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 6: me a second.

1276
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: In two thousand and five of December, in a game

1277
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: against the Buccaneers, which offensive lineman caught his first NFL

1278
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: touchdown pass after lining up as an eligible tight end.

1279
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: Who was it?

1280
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1281
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to.

1282
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: Against that man?

1283
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: Bart and Poland one another one to Poland. Yeah, I

1284
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: think I don't think this is Bart's first rodeo. I

1285
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: think he's one. We want to post Bart, Bart, You'll

1286
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: get neither of those because in a Volve shipping.

1287
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 4: Okay, how's March.

1288
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: The Patriots first playoff game in franchise history was in

1289
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: the AFL in nineteen sixty three. They defeated the Buffalo

1290
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: Bills and the af AFL Divisional Playoff twenty six to eight. However,

1291
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: they lost the AFL Championship game fifty one to ten

1292
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: to which other AFL team? Tim Henson our friend from

1293
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: Duncan hey r And finally, what year did you Lette

1294
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: Stadium switch to artificial turf?

1295
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 7: Two thousand and six.

1296
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: That's correct. Jonah Hughes got it bad.

1297
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 3: Lost the jets correct, which we powdered during the week

1298
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 3: off may mean changes? Did that we were actually gonna

1299
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 3: change the whole field over the bye week?

1300
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: All right? Eight five five pass five hundred is the

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00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: a stick and hotline? Web radio at pages dot com

1302
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: is the email address. Man, I see a lot of it,

1303
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: people coming in and out. I'm getting nervous. What's going on?

1304
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 3: They're replacing a computer in the other room.

1305
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that's an not our end nothing on it. Okay, good?

1306
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: All right?

1307
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 3: Line three sound one, line.

1308
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Line three, yeah, I just restarted it. All right,

1309
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: let's get back to the ATACK hotline. Christians in Georgia.

1310
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: Another Christian? What's up, Christian?

1311
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 17: Hey got plenty be over with the guys. I just

1312
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 17: had a quick question. You guys touched on it yesterday.

1313
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 17: Uh So you talked about drafting a quarterback in the

1314
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 17: draft this year, but in my mind, you roll with

1315
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 17: Mac through this year, and that's year because all of

1316
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 17: you have acknowledged that the offense does not work. It

1317
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 17: doesn't work with any quarterback unless it's Patrick Mahomes. So

1318
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 17: you either let Bill O'Brien, fix Matc or you draft

1319
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 17: a quarterback in twenty twenty five, but this year you

1320
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 17: draft a guy that can actually come in and help

1321
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 17: the offense, whether that's Marvin Harrison, oh, Luther Shaan, who

1322
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 17: even a Brock Powers who can be your true number one.

1323
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 17: But even though he's a tight end, what do you

1324
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 17: guys think I'll take him off there?

1325
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: It's it's one strategy.

1326
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of well thought out that's right.

1327
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 3: That's that's how I feel. That's how I feel right now.

1328
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it all changes if you're you know,

1329
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: have a shot at the guys we've talked about Kayley Williams,

1330
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: Jake May.

1331
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just you can't keep chasing the

1332
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: bottom line regardless. I think, is your drafting offense first, yes.

1333
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 3: Oh, no question.

1334
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 4: I mean you got to running the board.

1335
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah no, But it's so if.

1336
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: This person, if Christian from Georgia is he's certainly regardless

1337
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: even if you don't have a shot at the top QB,

1338
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: you're drafting offense.

1339
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 4: If they're picking like seventh, then brock Bowers or somebody

1340
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 4: like that probably makes more sense. But I think, you know,

1341
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 4: just looking at this class. This is a really good

1342
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 4: quarterback class. And I know that twenty twenty one was

1343
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 4: also a really good quarterback class. And really it looks

1344
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 4: like Trevor Lawrence might be the only really good quarterback

1345
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 4: to come out of that class.

1346
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: But wait a minute, was it really that good a

1347
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: quarterback class or will we just dealing with which class?

1348
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: That justin Field's class and Max class.

1349
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 4: And I think it was a good class.

1350
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 3: Trey Lance.

1351
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Now they haven't panned out other than Lawrence,

1352
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 6: but I mean they were well thought of.

1353
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean I think basically what I'm saying is have

1354
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: we lowered the bar for QB prospects?

1355
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 4: No, I think we've done the opposite. Actually, yeah, I

1356
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 4: think teams are getting smarter about it. Like a few

1357
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 4: years ago when Kenny Pickett was the I think the

1358
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 4: only first rounder, right, and they didn't take no One reached,

1359
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 4: they didn't take the cheese on like Malik Willis and

1360
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 4: Sam Howell who ends up actually being okay. But like,

1361
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 4: I think that teams are getting a little bit smarter

1362
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 4: about it. This quarterback class. You know, between Williams, Pennix

1363
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 4: and May, you're talking about a three elite quarterback prospects,

1364
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 4: you think, and this is.

1365
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 6: Probably not the right time for this, but like do

1366
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 6: you add like like Sanders or like JJ McCarthy or

1367
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 6: any of those.

1368
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 4: I don't know JJ McCarthy. No, I think Sanders interesting.

1369
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 3: Is they're gonna draft mac Jones JJS.

1370
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 4: So if you're telling me that, like you're gonna draft

1371
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 4: a guy like JJ McCarthy on day two and try

1372
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 4: to like Jalen Hurts it where like he's gonna push

1373
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 4: the first round quarterback and that type of thing, I

1374
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 4: I guess, like, you know, that's that's fine, Like that's

1375
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 4: not what I would do, but like I'm saying, like

1376
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 4: that's not the like the worst thing in the world.

1377
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 4: Shrewder is interesting, but I I ultimately I think he

1378
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 4: goes back to Colorado because of his dad. Yeah, so

1379
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 4: I think I'll go back to Colorado for one more year.

1380
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 4: But if I have a chance to draft Williams may

1381
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 4: or Pennix, I I don't really care about brock Bowers.

1382
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 4: I'm taking the quarterback.

1383
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 6: So my big thing, you know, And I like the

1384
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 6: I like to call because I thought there was some

1385
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 6: some good thought that went into it, not just like

1386
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 6: I don't want to do that because that never works. No,

1387
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 6: he's thinking about what to do. MY big thing would be,

1388
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 6: this is all sort of hinging on what you're doing

1389
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 6: at coach. Like he says, let O'Brien try to fix Mac.

1390
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 3: Great.

1391
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 7: That means Bill staying Bill Belichick.

1392
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 4: Not necessarily like.

1393
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 7: Probably I would.

1394
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a I think there's a good chance

1395
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 4: that Gerrodmeyo is the head coach and Bill O'Brien's as

1396
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator.

1397
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 6: That I would say that I want a new quarterback

1398
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 6: if that's the case, and I'm really anti that plan,

1399
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 6: But that's just that that's a personal thing. I think

1400
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 6: if you staying with with Belichick, then I think it

1401
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 6: makes some sense to do with the caller. It was

1402
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 6: a Christian in Georgia that was the caller, right. I

1403
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 6: think what he says makes a lot of sense. Give

1404
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 6: him a fourth year, still affordable, still time to do

1405
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 6: the Evan plan of putting some you know, higher priced

1406
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 6: pieces around him because he's still technically on the rookie and.

1407
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: Then if he's gone, you have the pieces. I would

1408
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: just be.

1409
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 4: Really wary of drafting a skill player and handing him

1410
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 4: to Bill Belichick because I don't think that Bill Belichick

1411
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 4: has proven to be able to develop that position, So what.

1412
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: About a skill player in handing him to Bill O'Brien

1413
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: as the offense.

1414
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 4: Like a little bit better? But like if Marvin Harrison

1415
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 4: gets into his first game in fumbles, is he going

1416
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 4: to be on the bench for the next five games

1417
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 4: or are they going to let him keep playing?

1418
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: Right?

1419
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 11: Like?

1420
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 4: You know, I just those types of things are are

1421
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 4: where I just I don't know. I can't trust Bill

1422
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 4: on offense period, like whether it's a quarterback or it's not,

1423
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:34,959
Speaker 4: it's a skill player.

1424
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: Let's see what David in New York has to say?

1425
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 1: What's up? David? Hey, guys, how's it going good?

1426
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 11: So?

1427
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,479
Speaker 9: I had a show point and then a draft point.

1428
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 9: Actually right, so the show point. I find that the

1429
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 9: show is at its funniest when Fred goes completely off

1430
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 9: the rails and when Paul references a Top forty song

1431
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 9: from ten years ago. I'm still laughing about the how

1432
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 9: does my ask taste.

1433
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: That's not off the rails? Well? Top?

1434
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 3: You know that.

1435
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: Quiet David is David's time.

1436
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 3: You haven't asked a question, I know, But he's trying

1437
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: to talk.

1438
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: I can't hear what he's saying.

1439
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 9: Am I having connection issues.

1440
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 7: Or no, you're Fred's talking over you.

1441
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, So my draft question was Paul mentioned it.

1442
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 9: I think it was yesterday, the comment of you know,

1443
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 9: how can William hass his list of teams that you

1444
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 9: prefer to go to? And he mentioned the Patriots aren't

1445
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 9: on it and thinks that's the concern. He did also

1446
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 9: say in that same quote that he would play anywhere,

1447
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 9: and I'd also don't you think that people weren't expecting

1448
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 9: the Patriots to be in this situation? So that's why

1449
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 9: he would leave them off?

1450
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 4: Maybe yea, how about you hire his head coach and

1451
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 4: they can come together. That's what I would do.

1452
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: That would be wild, That's what I would do. I

1453
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. That's to me, that's too much?

1454
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 4: Is it too much?

1455
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: I just I don't know us the whole I don't know.

1456
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 3: Dudn't dun't dun't dun't.

1457
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: D Do you really like him?

1458
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 4: Lincoln Riley?

1459
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone's gonna need a moment.

1460
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I mean, you're the whole point is to

1461
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 4: get the next Shanahan. He's sitting right there and he's

1462
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 4: gonna come as a package deal. With the number one

1463
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 4: quarterback in the draft.

1464
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: Do you worry if you do that then the head

1465
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: coach is too biased for his quarterback and won't look

1466
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: at him objectively.

1467
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna matter with Caleb Williams.

1468
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, all right, Line three is getting

1469
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: back to line three. But thanks for the call, David.

1470
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 3: Line three.

1471
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 4: We thought we had it, but no reverted.

1472
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 3: Like you know, started off the game pretty good line

1473
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 3: three and then it just fell apart.

1474
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: We're back to like talking to Winston Churchill.

1475
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 7: Is it practice time?

1476
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: It's about that time going to practice. Eddie's in Maine.

1477
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: What's up, Eddie? Eddie? Is Eddie? There?

1478
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 14: Is that?

1479
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 3: The second Eddie to Eddie drops.

1480
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: Now I gotta drop Eddie. Eric's in New Jersey. What's

1481
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: up Eric? Hey?

1482
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 18: How he does doing? He got two points, one for

1483
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 18: for Marcus Jones and then one a little pushback football.

1484
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 18: I think Marcus Jones again, defensively, I don't think he's

1485
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 18: you know, better utilized as a defensive back. I mean,

1486
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 18: if you think, maybe switch his percentage, you know, play

1487
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 18: percentage to the offense side. I know he said he

1488
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 18: wanted to play, you know, he wants to be a

1489
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 18: defensive back. But just for his size and his style

1490
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 18: of play again the recurrent shoulder injuries. I think it's

1491
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 18: his best suitable maybe to get his assets. He's his asset,

1492
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 18: you know. I'm with it, rather as as opposed to

1493
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 18: one or two shots, you know, play the game that

1494
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 18: may you know, as a decoy. Rather just get that likelihood.

1495
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,959
Speaker 18: But just to push back on uh.

1496
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 7: Oh, all right, just call back boy.

1497
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: We're having trouble with the phone.

1498
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 3: As soon as somebody tries to disagree with Paul, we're like, nope.

1499
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 6: Good job, good job, Matt. No call back, because I'm

1500
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 6: curious to see I agree with this point on Marcus Jones.

1501
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 6: I have we talked about this a little in the summer.

1502
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 4: I have not.

1503
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 7: I think Marcus Jones is electric.

1504
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 6: I have not seen really anything as a defensive back

1505
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 6: to lead me to believe he's anything more than a

1506
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 6: dime back. Yeah, you know, sixth you know, six or

1507
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 6: seventh defensive back in a good secondary. I see him

1508
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 6: chasing a lot. The size really worries me. But offensively

1509
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 6: and as a part returner, when the balls in his hands,

1510
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 6: things happen. So I wouldn't be opposed to saying let's

1511
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 6: make it more of a full time offensive player and

1512
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 6: see if there's something there I wouldn't be opposed to.

1513
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 6: He was healthy, probably him talking about but like he

1514
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 6: got a chance to play offense, it seemed this year.

1515
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 6: I mean I never saw him do anything maybe once

1516
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 6: or twice. I don't even mean on the field during

1517
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 6: the games, because he got hurt right away. He got

1518
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 6: hurt in the Miami game, right yep, early in the

1519
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 6: Miami game.

1520
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: If I recall uh Donovan Donnie in Pittsburgh, any substance

1521
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: to the suggestion that Bill gave up on Mac and

1522
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: or this roster he built sometime in the middle of

1523
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 1: last year. I think if you look at the draft

1524
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: free agent acquisitions from that point of view, they make

1525
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: a bit more sense as getting by moves building toward

1526
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, when we will have a lot more

1527
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: cap to compete in free agency in a higher draft pick.

1528
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 7: But why would you make that decision last year?

1529
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: Right?

1530
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 6: Like, if you've thought that way now, I mean I

1531
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 6: think there's validity to that. I mean, what are you

1532
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 6: going to put more resources into now? Like you were

1533
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 6: talking yesterday about the Van Jefferson thing.

1534
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 7: You know, you wouldn't. No, I know, but like you

1535
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 7: wouldn't want to put resources into that.

1536
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 3: And I know he went for a pick swap again

1537
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 3: because that seems to be the him in the seventh

1538
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 3: for a sixth.

1539
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, the in vogue trade is trading a seventh for

1540
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 7: a sixth, you know, in a player.

1541
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 6: But I wouldn't want to give up anything that I

1542
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 6: deemed at all valuable for one and fourteen. No, you know,

1543
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 6: maybe at Halloween when the trade deadline comes around, maybe

1544
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 6: you've you know, you're shown some signs of life. Maybe

1545
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 6: you're three and four then or whatever for and for

1546
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 6: even who knows, let's play three games.

1547
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: Let's go back to Eric, you can finish up this point.

1548
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 4: Sorry about that, Eric, So yeah.

1549
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm sorry. In no worries, So yeah, I think

1550
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 18: even Fred, do you agree with with PAULI on this

1551
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 18: where you guys say builds a good drafter. I think

1552
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 18: it's kind of hard to say builds a good drafting.

1553
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 18: I mean you have to really compare them for like

1554
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 18: Audy Newtomb I mean as.

1555
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 10: Opposed to length of time that builds.

1556
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 18: You know, most coaches gms aren't lastly obviously duration you know,

1557
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 18: Bill has lasted, but you know, to compare him to

1558
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 18: this pier, I would say, like Audy Newsom would the

1559
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 18: most comparable, just for lengths, I mean I think it's

1560
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 18: I think you would just say Oddy drafted a whole

1561
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 18: better roster. I mean just from year every year if

1562
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 18: you look at the players he drafted, and it's uh,

1563
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 18: you know. So I think that was just like, get

1564
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 18: my one pushback and I'll take it off the line.

1565
01:09:59,680 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 10: Thanks.

1566
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 6: No, that's that's fair. In my defense, I made the

1567
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 6: comment about how good of a drafter I thought Bill

1568
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 6: was a long time ago, and my feeling was at

1569
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 6: the time when I said it was. Andy used to

1570
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 6: push back on that a lot, but my feeling was

1571
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 6: he never has glaring misses, Like it's not the first

1572
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 6: round pick that just can't play or a second round

1573
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 6: pick that ends up getting cut. Now, in the last

1574
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 6: say six eight years, there's been a lot of those.

1575
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: Yep.

1576
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 6: You know Dominic Easley, Malcolm Brown, you know Nikhil Harry,

1577
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 6: Duke Dawson, Juwan Williams, you know Cyrus Jones. Has been

1578
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 6: a lot of first two round picks that really didn't

1579
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 6: have the ability to play in the league.

1580
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, the most interesting Patriots fan in the world James

1581
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: Wright saying, what's the NFL record for resets per season?

1582
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: I believe it's six.

1583
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 7: We're on three, We're on six.

1584
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 3: I think they'll pall. That's everything. I know, those those misses,

1585
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,759
Speaker 3: and it goes back to what I was saying yesterday.

1586
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, yeah, he hit on plenty of

1587
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 3: draft picks over those twenty years. He's hit on some

1588
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 3: amazing draft picks. I mean, Brady Gronk Edelman, you know,

1589
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 3: I mean, but it's just been the absence of those,

1590
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 3: especially at the high round guys, which you can't afford

1591
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 3: to miss.

1592
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 7: And that's what my feeling was.

1593
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 6: And this is going back, like I said, this is

1594
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 6: going back at least ten to twelve years, this argument.

1595
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,879
Speaker 3: But like twenty six, all the first round.

1596
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 6: Picks were good. You know, it was Seymour Mankins, you know,

1597
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 6: Will Fork. There was like hit hit, hit, I mean,

1598
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 6: like impact players every time. He never missed on a

1599
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 6: first round pick until he did, and then all of

1600
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 6: a sudden, it's you know, maybe it's the LATA averages.

1601
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 6: But Fred and I used to yeah, and we deserve

1602
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 6: our criticism for that. We used to be very defensive

1603
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 6: of Bill's draft record, me more so than Fred. But

1604
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 6: I deserve the criticism for that.

1605
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 3: But I mean, like, you know, drafting Chandler Jones and

1606
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 3: Dante high Tower, you know, aggressively. That's probably the last time,

1607
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 3: you know, and I felt really good and those and

1608
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 3: you got a bunch of Super Bowls because of them.

1609
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 6: Since then, it's been the Easily and the Browns and

1610
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 6: you know, the Harry's wins.

1611
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 3: Yep, let's see. Roland noticed.

1612
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 5: It takes my physical pain to not say Schandler.

1613
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. He has to correct himself, Roland writes

1614
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: him from the UK. At what point do we take

1615
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: back the criticism of Matty p No, I think, listen, well.

1616
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 3: I would do your thing because you were defensive of him. Listen,

1617
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm not taking anybody.

1618
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: After further review, there's no doubt he was a square pagan,

1619
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: a round hole. Okay, there's no doubt about it. However,

1620
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: I still feel he was asked to do the job.

1621
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: He did the best he could, and he didn't deserve

1622
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: the personal attacks that you know, we're given to him,

1623
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: and I think he deserves a thank you. I still

1624
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: think that.

1625
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 3: You got your you got your apology. But I would

1626
01:12:59,120 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: just say this, and.

1627
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,839
Speaker 6: I never thought last year was solely about Matt Patricia,

1628
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 6: So I don't want to be accused of revisionist history here. Like,

1629
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 6: I think it was a terrible move. I think he

1630
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 6: was ill suited. He had never coached offense really certainly

1631
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 6: never coached offensive skilled position players.

1632
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 3: I think it made no sense.

1633
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 6: And the to me, the iyre that went to Patricia,

1634
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 6: for me, was more born out in the way that

1635
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 6: the players basically openly revolted against him. They had no

1636
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 6: respect for his ability to implement the offense. They openly

1637
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 6: questioned whether or not he knew what he was doing.

1638
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 6: I did, not, however, blame the lack of offensive production

1639
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 6: on Matt Patricia the way the vast majority of my

1640
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 6: colleagues did.

1641
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, I just think the perspective now

1642
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 3: is like, look at a competent offensive coordinator like Bill O'Brien,

1643
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 3: which I mean, even despite the results that he's having

1644
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 3: problems and it's just the roster. I mean, it's worse.

1645
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 3: Can you imagine Matt Patricia, Like, I mean, he's got

1646
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 3: to coach the offensive line too, Like, I mean, it's right,

1647
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 3: it was.

1648
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: It was a lot I don't know situation that he

1649
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: was put in, and he agreed to do it. You know,

1650
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: he could have said no, but he agreed to do it.

1651
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: Maybe he thought he could do it, maybe he was

1652
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: overestimating his own abilities. But he gave it a shot.

1653
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: And I don't think he deserved the vitriol that he received.

1654
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,799
Speaker 3: I you know, yeah, that's it's.

1655
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 7: A Bill thing and that and that's just that vitriol

1656
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 7: should have gone.

1657
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 3: To the po And if it was, like I agree,

1658
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 3: you burned twenty twenty, you kind of burned last year.

1659
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 3: And you know, right now, it's like we're hanging in

1660
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 3: the balance to see if this is this year's getting

1661
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 3: burned too.

1662
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: Let's go to Ted and Maine. What's up Ted?

1663
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 8: Hey, Hey, guys, I just wanted to ask him. It

1664
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 8: seems like this has been a four to five year

1665
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 8: train wreck in the making and that we're just seeing

1666
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 8: it start crashing or really crashing.

1667
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 9: At this point.

1668
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 8: So yeah, I firmly believe like we got a maxic

1669
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 8: clout on the field, got to get rid of him,

1670
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 8: We got a fire belt check the craft need to

1671
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 8: treat Bill like Bill has treated his players for his

1672
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 8: entire career. Getting rid of him sooner rather than later.

1673
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 8: So my question is how many more consecutive losses for

1674
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 8: each of you, guys before you feel comfortable even being

1675
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 8: part of the organization saying, hey, it's it's time to

1676
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 8: build to go. And then also, who would be your

1677
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,879
Speaker 8: number one top pick it's replaced?

1678
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks guys, Okay, thanks. I I I give him

1679
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: the season, yep, regardless. I don't care if they lose

1680
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: sixty to nothing for the rest of the season every game.

1681
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: He stays for the rest of the season, and then

1682
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: and then you make your move with you. I have

1683
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: no idea who to replace him with. I really don't.

1684
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 1: I mean, Lincoln Riley could be good. This guy Ben Johnson,

1685
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: if you can stop yelling at people, maybe he's good.

1686
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't really thought about it that much.

1687
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 7: I remember, is there a thing there?

1688
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 8: You know?

1689
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: Last year?

1690
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 7: What Ben Johnson?

1691
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, remember the caller that was oh, oh, oh, yes.

1692
01:15:58,840 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 3: I'm sorry his kids play.

1693
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 1: Not really, I mean last year last year, when it

1694
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 1: became apparent that there was going to be a change

1695
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: of coordinator, we were looking at who could be the

1696
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: next coordinator, and I remember Ben Johnson's name came up,

1697
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: but not for head coach last year. Now, I don't know,

1698
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have to think about, you know,

1699
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not an expert.

1700
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:19,919
Speaker 7: His name came up for head coaching around.

1701
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 4: The league, not not here.

1702
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 3: I just need to generally the theory of hiring an

1703
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, make him your coach so that you know

1704
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 3: that you're going to maintain your offensive continuity throughout the

1705
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 3: ragn isn't the.

1706
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: Bigger question right now? If Bill isn't here, who's the GM?

1707
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: Isn't that as big a question? If not bigger?

1708
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 7: Sure?

1709
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 3: And that's why it's you know, a nice relationship that

1710
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 3: they've got going, you know, in San Francisco, and you know,

1711
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 3: you hope that you could maybe emulate that a little

1712
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 3: bit and that you know, just it's it's it really

1713
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 3: protects the franchise. And I I mean, I think this

1714
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 3: is a good point that's come up over the last

1715
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 3: couple of weeks of if you know, you do have

1716
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 3: a defensive coach, you're always going to be doing what

1717
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 3: the Patriots are doing trying to turn over the roster.

1718
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 3: And you know, it's interesting here because Bill is so

1719
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 3: you know, connected to an offensive scheme, and you know,

1720
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 3: I assume that they've kind of maintained some semblance of

1721
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 3: that throughout each of the different you know, they haven't

1722
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 3: been a lot of offensive coordinators, but you know he's

1723
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 3: always That's why, Like it's like, well, of course they're

1724
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 3: going to be back Bill O'Brien.

1725
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 4: Who else would he have brought back?

1726
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 3: You know, there was no one else really to even consider,

1727
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 3: which I think in some ways might have been you know,

1728
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 3: maybe we should have looked a little bit far and

1729
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 3: more far and wide to see, you know, can we

1730
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 3: can we maybe change the equation a little bit? Are

1731
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 3: we trying to get back to something that we're never

1732
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 3: going to get back to?

1733
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: Thomas writes in He's from Maine as well. He says,

1734
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 1: one comment, my developing take that I've had on Bill

1735
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: the last few weeks is that Colon Bill has earned

1736
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: the right to leave on his own terms, but has

1737
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: lost the right to stay on his own terms. I'll

1738
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: be interested to see how things work out in the

1739
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: off season.

1740
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 3: I'm with you, though, I mean, he's he's built this

1741
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 3: ship for twenty years, and you know, to make him,

1742
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 3: you know, walk the plank right now, let you know,

1743
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 3: let him show us the way out of this because quick, wow,

1744
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 3: and Evan's back all right as we turned?

1745
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: And has we turned?

1746
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 9: Has we turned.

1747
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 4: All right?

1748
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: Evan? Yeah? That was kind of quick.

1749
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 4: What else is new? Michael? And went back at practice

1750
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 4: today for the Patriots? So by my memory which sometimes

1751
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 4: does fail me, but I think it's pretty good on

1752
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 4: this one. This is about as healthy as the offensive

1753
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 4: line has been since really the spring. I don't even know,

1754
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 4: you know, I mean they have.

1755
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 3: You never had all five of those guys out there

1756
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 3: at once.

1757
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 4: They have all five.

1758
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 6: Project the starters out of Yeah, they're all out there,

1759
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 6: but like Strange missed the last two games and when

1760
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 6: you didn't finish the.

1761
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 3: Last game, right, so they're there, knock on wood.

1762
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 7: This is the healthiest they've been.

1763
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 4: But that's scary having those guys physically out at practice.

1764
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 4: I think for the maybe one of the first times

1765
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 4: all year that all five of.

1766
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 3: Them, and when you never practiced in the summer, right,

1767
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 3: So Strange not at practice last week. He's been in practice.

1768
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 4: Yeah he was, but it seems like he's getting closer

1769
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 4: because for whatever that's worse.

1770
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 6: Definitely Reef was not at practice when when you Strange

1771
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 6: came back, so you have a chance you're saying, there's

1772
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 6: a chance. Ready, there's a chance, you have a chance

1773
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 6: to get five, the five that you probably went into

1774
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 6: the spring thinking would be your starters.

1775
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be funny and anything could happened. But as

1776
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: the season progresses, the offense starts to be good and

1777
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 1: then the defense fails.

1778
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 3: Because you know that happens.

1779
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 6: That happens with bad teams is you can't seem It's

1780
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 6: like you can't get good pitching the day.

1781
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 7: You hit right.

1782
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 3: You can't your short games off the day or great

1783
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 3: off the team.

1784
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1785
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, same other than that same attendance. The two receivers

1786
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 4: Juju and Pop Douglas not there in concussion protocol, and

1787
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 4: I keep listening them until they put him on. IR

1788
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 4: Matthew Judon obviously not there either, you should but he's

1789
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 4: you know, some people have stopped and I'm like, look,

1790
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 4: this is technically right, so to do it. Yeah, those

1791
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 4: three guys weren't there again, pads pads, pads on a Wednesday.

1792
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 4: It's we'll see. I was encouraged by what I saw

1793
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 4: from Riley Reef. That name is tough to say. Riley

1794
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 4: Reef on Sunday as bad as everything else was. I

1795
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 4: thought that he played decently well and the line improved

1796
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 4: once he was in the game, and so I do

1797
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 4: wonder you know, sometimes when with offensive line, it's you

1798
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 4: make one change and then all of a sudden, the

1799
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 4: thing starts to come together. You know, it's just one

1800
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 4: spot becomes solidified and then that makes it easier for

1801
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 4: the other four guys on the line. It brings me

1802
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 4: back to twenty one when they put ted Carris in

1803
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 4: the starting lineup and then things like kind of sailed

1804
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 4: down from there. So you never know, you never know

1805
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 4: what these things.

1806
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 1: And the media a lot of media going to Vegas.

1807
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 1: Are they talking about Vegas where they're staying.

1808
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 4: And all a little bit a little bit. But today

1809
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 4: was a pretty busy media contingent here, which I mean

1810
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 4: we were talking about earlier. I don't know if this

1811
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 4: was on the air off the air of just about

1812
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 4: how much uh you know, interaction we are getting from

1813
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 4: the emails and the callers and stuff despite the situation.

1814
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 4: And uh, there was a packed house there today for Bill.

1815
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 1: For Mac new faces people you didn't know or no, no.

1816
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 4: But just you know, full full media contingent and you know,

1817
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 4: the Bruins open tonight, Like I thought maybe maybe it'd

1818
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 4: be lighter because you know, let's focus on something more positive,

1819
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 4: like opening night for the Bruins. But people love the yeah,

1820
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 4: the vultures, they love the negativity apparently.

1821
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: So there's no grousing.

1822
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 4: No, it's been nice out okay, And you know we

1823
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 4: haven't really hit the cold practices yet. You're joking that

1824
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 4: we could probably use the same picture that we like

1825
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 4: used yesterday and nobody he would know the difference because

1826
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 4: it's just kind of been the same.

1827
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you only got to see stretching, only.

1828
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 4: Stretching, Okay, yep, very limited. Yesterday we saw a little

1829
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:12,919
Speaker 4: bit more, but there were less guys on the offensive

1830
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 4: line out there yesterday than there were today. So I

1831
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 4: don't know how much stock I would put into the

1832
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 4: combinations that we saw in that practice.

1833
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 3: It seemed like one's gonna be kind of fighting something

1834
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 3: all year. Like it just seems like this is going

1835
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 3: to be strange. Yeah, which is just so weird to me,

1836
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 3: Like just the way that it happened and how he's

1837
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 3: been out there and with strange strange, it's bizarre. Strange

1838
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 3: got when he got hurt, and you remember the day

1839
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 3: he got hurt.

1840
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 7: How long he stayed out there and did some work and.

1841
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 6: Whe like like he was imminently going back into practice.

1842
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 6: That is strange, and I want to say it was

1843
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 6: like day two's strange.

1844
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean cold, strange being injured or compromised. I

1845
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 4: guess like he can't play like that on when.

1846
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 11: Of a win?

1847
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 4: Who is still better than anything else? Like that?

1848
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: So did they try to simulate the crowd in Las

1849
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: Vegas by pumping and cheering and joint.

1850
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 4: Just music? Just music, just music when we were out there?

1851
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: Was it Viva Las Vegas? Was it like Elvis?

1852
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 13: No?

1853
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: No, Tony Bennett, no, no, no, you too? The sphere.

1854
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 4: It's funny because a lot of the practice music is

1855
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 4: like my generation rap music, like it's not the new stuff.

1856
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 4: Like so you know that, you know, like Kean White

1857
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 4: doesn't have the ox cord right, Like it's not it's

1858
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 4: not the new it's not it's not new stuff. It's

1859
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 4: like mid twenty twenty ten rap and like so it's

1860
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 4: just funny, like you know that. It's like Juwan Betty.

1861
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 3: Where you get country and you're like, David Andrews must

1862
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 3: have the ox today.

1863
01:23:55,960 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ox uh colon Denver Right, I'll be in

1864
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 1: Vegas this weekend, and I need hope. If I have

1865
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 1: to witness three and a half hours of the Patriots

1866
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: getting wrecked by the Raiders, and I might just gamble

1867
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:11,520
Speaker 1: away my savings, Bunny Ranch, my way out of a relationship,

1868
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: and imbibe myself into a rehab facility. I'll have to

1869
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: reinvent what fear and loathing in Las Vegas means? Please?

1870
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: What are raiders weaknesses? How can the Patriots exploit them?

1871
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: Why do they suck on offense despite having great weapons?

1872
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: Is their defense legit or a bunch of lame lames?

1873
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: In Mad Max?

1874
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 4: So their defense? If you want to be positive about

1875
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 4: the Patriots, I'll set the table for you a little bit.

1876
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 4: This is the worst defense by far that they've played

1877
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 4: this year, and I don't think it's particularly close. I

1878
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 4: would agree outside of Max Crosby, this defense is Splaine

1879
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 4: really not great? Tyree Wilson, their first round pick has

1880
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 4: been a bust so far. He's been terrible, and they

1881
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 4: really don't have much talent outside of Max Crosby. A

1882
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 4: guy like Spelaine is journeyman coming out of the woodwork

1883
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 4: for them. They're twenty fourth and DVA on defense, they're

1884
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 4: twenty eighth in pressure rate despite Max Crosby leading the

1885
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 4: league in pressures, so he's he's literally holding their pressure

1886
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 4: rate out of the basement right now. They don't get

1887
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 4: to the quarterback. They don't blitz a lot because they

1888
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 4: can't because they don't have the defensive backs to blitz

1889
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 4: a lot. So they are as vanilla and as bad

1890
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 4: on defense as any team. Like the statistics say that

1891
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 4: the Dolphins and the Jets haven't been great on defense,

1892
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 4: but we know that those are great defenses, you know,

1893
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 4: based off of the talent and the eye test. The

1894
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 4: Raiders defense is not good.

1895
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 3: It just makes me wonder too with with Crosby being

1896
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 3: so isolated that if it's really smart to replace Low

1897
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 3: this week, just because they're probably gonna be like put

1898
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 3: them over Low every snap, you know what I mean,

1899
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 3: Like that's probably their key game.

1900
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,799
Speaker 6: The Patriots are gonna have to say, we're gonna devote

1901
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 6: two to three guys to him every snap, especially on

1902
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 6: the right side, you know, which.

1903
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 4: Is where he lines up like ninety percent of the time.

1904
01:25:58,360 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 7: And this is also.

1905
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 6: The secondary for the Raiders. And I was listening to

1906
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 6: Troy Aikman the other night talk about Marcus Peters, who

1907
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 6: is a pretty solid corner. He has a pretty good career,

1908
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 6: but it looks like he's sort of done. And they said,

1909
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 6: you know, he gave up like an easy pitch and

1910
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 6: catch out for like twelve yards early in the game,

1911
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 6: and Aikman made the comment, this is pretty much what

1912
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 6: you've seen when you watch the film of the Raiders.

1913
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 6: He's given a lot of big cushions, a lot of

1914
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 6: easy completions. Now, he made a huge play in the

1915
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 6: second half of that game, sort of jumping route, getting

1916
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 6: his hand on it, which led to one of the

1917
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 6: Mickey Splaine picks. And it's so, but I just think

1918
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 6: man to man.

1919
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't walked into my office all the way.

1920
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 7: The legs that went on for days.

1921
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 6: They don't play a lot of mando man well, they

1922
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 6: don't play man well according to Troy Aikman.

1923
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 4: So this is the krankman was onto something. So this

1924
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 4: is a weakness on weakness matchup. The Patriots, I'm setting up,

1925
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 4: are the worst offense in the league against man coverage,

1926
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 4: and the Raiders are the worst man coverage defense in

1927
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 4: the NFL. The Raiders are giving up over nine yards

1928
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 4: per attempt in man coverage, they are getting absolutely shredded.

1929
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 4: But the Patriots average under four when the defense is

1930
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 4: play man. So whoever makes more plays the Raiders defensive

1931
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 4: backs are the Patriots receivers is probably gonna end up

1932
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 4: winning this game.

1933
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,440
Speaker 1: That's like the opposite of like when you have undefeated

1934
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: teams and you do like the you know, the gotta give,

1935
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: you know.

1936
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 3: Team the dream tries to climb.

1937
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: The team can score, something's gotta give.

1938
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1939
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 6: One other thing that the Raiders the other night, they

1940
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 6: were missing two stars in the secondary and probably had

1941
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 6: their best game that they've had. And like I said,

1942
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 6: they had three picks, so you kind of wonder, oh, well,

1943
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 6: we were forced to bring this guy up off the

1944
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 6: practice squad and start them if maybe those guys played

1945
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 6: well and now maybe they've sort of inadvertently added some

1946
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 6: depth to their secondary. I know Nate, Nate Hobbs, I

1947
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:08,799
Speaker 6: think sat out and another guy EPs, uh he played,

1948
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 6: he play, He's number one, right, yeh.

1949
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 7: See, that's why I was looking for my I knew

1950
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 7: he was.

1951
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 4: Trayvon Morrig. Their safety is he played is a solid starter. Yeah,

1952
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 4: But and I like David Longert, their their other corner.

1953
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 4: But he's more of like, if he's your third corner,

1954
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 4: then you're like in decent shape. But anything above that

1955
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 4: is is a lot. But they're I mean they're there.

1956
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 4: Back seven is is patchwork right now. And and like

1957
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 4: I said, their first round pick, who was supposed to

1958
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 4: come in and be the bookend to the Crosby is

1959
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 4: has been terrible.

1960
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 11: So.

1961
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 1: XO writes in X I think what we're seeing now,

1962
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: he says, is evidence that it was Josh McDaniel's offense,

1963
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: not Bills.

1964
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's not I don't really understand what

1965
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 6: that means. But can I just tell you that the

1966
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 6: offense is actually run the Airhots offense. They've been running

1967
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 6: the same system since Belichick got here.

1968
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:06,759
Speaker 1: Let's see Kobe.

1969
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 6: They've tweaked it many many times, but that's where it

1970
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 6: was born.

1971
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: From Kobe and Vermont. Last year, Paul posed a question

1972
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: to the fans if they were for Zappy or Mac.

1973
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know if the

1974
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 1: fans are with Bill or against him. I'm personally out

1975
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: on Bill as the Patriots head coach for next year.

1976
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 1: What are the rest of the listeners thinking? He thinks

1977
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: you should do a poll. We're not going to do

1978
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 1: with that.

1979
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 7: I'm not doing that now.

1980
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 1: I think right now it's pretty obvious because I don't

1981
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: read a tech of the emails that come in, and

1982
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 1: I can tell you that, yeah, there's not a lot

1983
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: of There's a few supporting Bill, but not a lot.

1984
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 1: Let's see Brian, right. So, And I'm not sure how

1985
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 1: true the article was, but I do remember seeing a

1986
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 1: report about how Patriots coaches believe they could have won

1987
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: with a lot of quarterbacks instead of Tom Brady. That

1988
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: quote keeps coming to my mind seeing this organization becoming

1989
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 1: more and more disastrous. Also, if Bill was okay letting

1990
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: people go past their prime, why can't he hold himself

1991
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: accountable and do the same. Wow?

1992
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 6: So it was I just finally found it. It was

1993
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 6: Jacorey and Bennett didn't play. Yeah, and uh and he

1994
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 6: sat and Chris Smith also said who was one of

1995
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 6: their top erzers. They had three different guys that play

1996
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 6: a little bit, didn't play.

1997
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 7: The other night.

1998
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 6: They brought a guy up off the practice squad, Tyler Hall,

1999
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 6: who showed up a little bit in the game. And

2000
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 6: I thought, you know, despite Aikman sort of ripping Marcus Peters.

2001
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 6: I thought he was kind of active.

2002
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 3: Now yeh didn't really show up last night.

2003
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 6: Meek Robertson is the one who made the big pick

2004
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 6: at the end. So you know, maybe we'll see a

2005
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 6: different secondary.

2006
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what you've seen all year, Christian

2007
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 4: Watson coverage bust and catching run with the horse collar.

2008
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you about that.

2009
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 4: They were pretty well connected on the back end, Like

2010
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 4: I didn't really see a lot of like coverage busts

2011
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 4: like things like that, but in general there was a

2012
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 4: lot of space in zone coverage that Jordan Love just

2013
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 4: didn't really he didn't throw the ball well.

2014
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 3: So well, I mean, it's it's really setting up to

2015
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 3: be an interesting one with how badly the Patriots offense

2016
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 3: need to find something and here's kind of an opportunity

2017
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 3: for you. And we know what's waiting with the Bills

2018
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 3: and the Dolphins on the other side of this one.

2019
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 4: But it's really like the pressure rate, like in terms

2020
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 4: of like the defenses they you know, the first month

2021
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 4: of the season, every team that they played was top

2022
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 4: eight and pressure rate. Cowboys were number one, the Jets

2023
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,600
Speaker 4: I think are three, Eagles are like six, and the

2024
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,719
Speaker 4: Miami Dolphins are eight. Like, so you're talking about facing

2025
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 4: probably some of the best defensive fronts in the NFL

2026
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 4: right out of the gate.

2027
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 6: So did you see that play with Watson that that

2028
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 6: Evan just talked about the other night? Did you guys

2029
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 6: watch any of the game. So Peters ended up taking

2030
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 6: him down with the horse caller, right, probably prevented a touchdown.

2031
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 6: And now you know Florio was on his you know,

2032
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 6: white horse and having to change the rule. That to

2033
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 6: change the rule and that that should be a touchdown.

2034
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 6: Like obviously you could tell by the tone of my

2035
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 6: voice how ridiculous I think that is. But you guys

2036
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 6: can convince me, the three of you, if you think

2037
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 6: I'm wrong and it should be no.

2038
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: No, that's like the hockey rule, Like you get to

2039
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: have the penalty shot if it was a clear you know,

2040
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: laying to the goal. But no way, no way.

2041
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 4: It's like in basketball they have take hockey rap or

2042
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 4: clear paths, clear path foul. Yes that meant But my.

2043
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 6: Point is this, Okay, so I have no doubt it

2044
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 6: was it was a horse caller and that prevented a touchdown. Like,

2045
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 6: what's the difference between a face mask or a pass

2046
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 6: in appearance, and.

2047
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 3: If you got a sports caller, he probably had an

2048
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 3: opportunity to get him and else another way.

2049
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,520
Speaker 6: You know what I mean a penalty, it's not a touchdown.

2050
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 4: People are saying that a touchdown.

2051
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 6: Mike Florio says that plays down. You know, they should

2052
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 6: revisit that and that should be awarded a touchdown and

2053
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,560
Speaker 6: it might have impacted the game. Well that's why you

2054
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 6: do it, yeah, because you don't just give him a

2055
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 6: free touchdown. That's why pass interference. You're taught if you

2056
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 6: get beat, just tackle the guy.

2057
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: And that's why I think in the pros they should

2058
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: keep it as a spot fight. It's a fifty yard penalty,

2059
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: but it's not a touchdown, not like in college right now.

2060
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 6: Like I just I really don't agree with that that

2061
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 6: line of thought, but I mean neither I almost never

2062
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 6: agree with that.

2063
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you know, like you guys breaking away

2064
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 1: from you, there's nothing between him in the in the

2065
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 1: end zone. You dive, you're reaching out for anything. You know,

2066
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 1: you don't dive saying I'm going to horse.

2067
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 4: Call it.

2068
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: You're reaching for anything, and you hit the horse. You're

2069
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: not gonna let go. You got to bring him down,

2070
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:41,639
Speaker 1: but there shouldn't be a touchdown.

2071
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 6: But the defensive players should be taught like by any means,

2072
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 6: like you're not trying, you're not trying to hurt somebody.

2073
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 6: But if I'm reaching out and it's a horse caller,

2074
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 6: or if I get his face mask and that prevents

2075
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 6: a touchdown, I don't want to do that, but that's

2076
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 6: what I have to do to stop the touchdown.

2077
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,839
Speaker 1: It's like in like in soccer, like if your goalie

2078
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 1: is out of the goal and you have to dive

2079
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: and hand the ball just to keep the do whatever

2080
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 1: you have to do. You know, it'd be.

2081
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 3: Funny if they did like a version of the penalty

2082
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 3: shot though, where they like give the guy the ball

2083
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 3: at like the thirty and then and and you get

2084
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 3: one defender to try to prevent him from getting into

2085
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 3: the end zone. It's like a football penalty. They had

2086
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 3: like that better than just that's like that drill that's

2087
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 3: going to be a touchdown.

2088
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 4: Especially when it's Christian Watson.

2089
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like that drill that they do. You know,

2090
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 3: they always are doing that angling drill.

2091
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have had a cross like like in club lacrosse,

2092
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 1: like instead of a penalty they have. They call it up.

2093
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: What's the movie, uh mel Gibson, he's the Scottish. They

2094
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 1: call it a brave heart and it's one guy against

2095
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 1: one guy.

2096
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:40,759
Speaker 4: That happens.

2097
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, in lacrosse they do like club club tournaments, they'll

2098
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: do it.

2099
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 4: Oh really, yeah we never did that.

2100
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called brave Heart.

2101
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 4: I don't know if we did that in practice, but

2102
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 4: not like in an actual game. Oh yeah, so we

2103
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 4: brought it to games now.

2104
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like m i A.

2105
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 3: You'd never see it. It's not another one of my

2106
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 3: twenty years old This is all like club tournaments.

2107
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, those were the days the club tournaments.

2108
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 1: Ryan writes in I wanted to ask about your thoughts

2109
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 1: on the current team culture. It feels like we have

2110
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 1: reached a point where guys are not only doing their job,

2111
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 1: not only not doing their job, but it feels like

2112
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 1: they aren't upset when other guys aren't doing their job.

2113
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: I think in order for us to get back to winning,

2114
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: there has to be a certain amount of accountability among

2115
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 1: the players, and we talked about this over the years,

2116
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: like they're losing the leaders.

2117
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:30,879
Speaker 4: I agree with the leadership. I think that just sensing

2118
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 4: like some of the things that Max said this morning,

2119
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 4: I think also echoed that that they're like, who's the

2120
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 4: one that's like pulling the rope the hardest?

2121
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 1: You know. Bryant says something that made me think. He said,

2122
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, you know, David Andrews is no doubt when

2123
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 1: the offensive line, he's the guy that you know, but

2124
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: he specified it. He specified it to the offensive line.

2125
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep going with the other name that he used,

2126
01:35:55,680 --> 01:36:00,080
Speaker 3: which made me, Yeah, Hunter Henry Trent Brown, who's and

2127
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 3: a great left tackle for us, well.

2128
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: He has been kind of threw him in there, but

2129
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,640
Speaker 1: like that's just the offensive line, you know what I mean,

2130
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 1: whether it's Trent Brown or well.

2131
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 3: He said Hunter Henry too, Hunter Henry came up as Yeah.

2132
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: Then he started rattling off people. But you know, because

2133
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 1: I think he knew what he was what people would

2134
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 1: say about it. But I think there is a devoid

2135
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: of people that have the cachet.

2136
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 4: Right to be that voice.

2137
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 3: And I think that's why it's just kind of for me,

2138
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 3: goes back to they need players to start stepping up

2139
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 3: and making plays so that they have some juice, you know,

2140
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 3: and it's it's and that's what there isn't right now,

2141
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 3: there isn't and there isn't a Willie McGinnis type, you know,

2142
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 3: figure who's going to be the enforcer of it.

2143
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:41,640
Speaker 1: And and as much as we love Slater, like you,

2144
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 1: doesn't even practice with the team. He's off doing his

2145
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 1: own thing, you know, like like Okay, we love you,

2146
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 1: you're a great guy and all that stuff, but like,

2147
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 1: you know.

2148
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 3: How much impact are you really going to have on

2149
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 3: the game.

2150
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 4: And it hurts even more when now that Judon's not

2151
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 4: out there, because I think Judon was one of those

2152
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,799
Speaker 4: like a William McGinnis type, but now he's not playing,

2153
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 4: so like you can't like rely on that. I think

2154
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 4: Jawan Bentley is another one of those guys that will

2155
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 4: do that. But Jowan Bentley is not doesn't hold the

2156
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 4: same cachet as a William McGuinness or a Mike Rabel

2157
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 4: or a Teddy Bruski maybe did back in the day,

2158
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 4: or a high Tower, you know, like those. They lack

2159
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 4: that sort of thing. And I think that that's one

2160
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 4: thing that I've noticed is just a body language, like

2161
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 4: just during games, you know, Max saying this morning that

2162
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 4: they're not having fun playing and like regardless of the score,

2163
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 4: like they're just not coming out of the gate like

2164
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 4: in like good moods, and it's like, why, you know,

2165
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 4: why are you not? There's no energy and there's no

2166
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 4: there's no belief, there's no buy in.

2167
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 3: It's just you just one or two. And I mean,

2168
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 3: I you know, I don't mean this to be a

2169
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 3: shot at David anders I mean, but it's just those

2170
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,759
Speaker 3: guys that are leading are carrying everything in their leadership

2171
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,560
Speaker 3: from what happened five years ago, you know, like and

2172
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 3: so now it's just does it rings true anymore when

2173
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 3: these guys are saying, yep, it's the same thing.

2174
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 7: I'm here for David good points.

2175
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 6: I do have concerns about that the locker room and

2176
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 6: everybody's pulling in the right direction. But I like a

2177
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 6: lot of the points you guys made about even because

2178
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:17,640
Speaker 6: I do think David Andrews is tremendous. You wonder, like

2179
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 6: some of the younger guys, like, listen to this guy

2180
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 6: talking about glory days again.

2181
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 7: You know, yeah, I get it.

2182
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 6: You guys won a lot of games before we got here.

2183
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 6: We stank You're great. Yeah, you know, I like, you

2184
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:30,719
Speaker 6: wonder if that's sort of the the way it's it's taken.

2185
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,720
Speaker 4: But I also feel like that away from the head coach.

2186
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 4: Not sorry to cut you off, like like I feel

2187
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 4: like that, like the head coach is resting on his

2188
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 4: lor not like literally but just figuratively resting on his laurels.

2189
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 3: Go to the owner's meeting. What if hands have to

2190
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 3: be excited about the last twenty twenty years. But I mean,

2191
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 3: but Paul, you've brought up this a couple of times,

2192
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 3: and you know, I think for me, you're kind of

2193
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,599
Speaker 3: underselling it a little bit because you know, you're acting

2194
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 3: like that the drama isn't really the forefront. But I

2195
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 3: I to me, like, the drama is drama, you know

2196
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 3: me the forefront, right, But I think it. I think

2197
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 3: it's the forefront for me because if they're not all

2198
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 3: pulling in the same direction anymore, then it doesn't matter

2199
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:06,640
Speaker 3: about trying to fix the offensive line or trying to

2200
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 3: get you know, Remandre going, or any of like the

2201
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 3: specific football teams that they're not buying in right now.

2202
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 3: They're never gonna get those things right, or even if

2203
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 3: they do, something else is gonna pop up because they're

2204
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:17,760
Speaker 3: they're not really invested in.

2205
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 6: I'm with you, and I do think that That is

2206
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 6: the biggest thing that I'm concerned about, because I felt like,

2207
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 6: like Freddy, like after the Dallas game, You're like, Okay,

2208
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 6: I don't know if they're gonna win next week, because

2209
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 6: I don't know if they're good enough to just flip

2210
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,839
Speaker 6: the switch and win. But I would have bet anything

2211
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:38,920
Speaker 6: that the effort and sort of the men or that

2212
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,720
Speaker 6: the game unfolded would be a thousand times different than that.

2213
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 6: And I'm not telling you they laid down, but I'm

2214
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 6: telling you there wasn't a lot of pushback after the picks.

2215
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 3: Once it seemed like they knew which way it was going,

2216
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 3: it was kind of felt inevitable, and so.

2217
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,800
Speaker 6: I'm more concerned with that part of it than anything else.

2218
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,200
Speaker 6: I just the reason I downplay it when I talk

2219
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 6: about is because I know a lot of people listen

2220
01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 6: to these guys. They always want to stir it up.

2221
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 6: And it's because he goes on felgrin Maz and that's

2222
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:05,960
Speaker 6: what felgrind Maz do constantly. They're not talking about their

2223
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 6: their failures at X's and O's, They're talking about the

2224
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 6: team is broken.

2225
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that and that might have been the final proof,

2226
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:18,559
Speaker 1: the final nail on the coffin that the team needs

2227
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 1: an enema. Yeah, I mean because, like Paul said, most

2228
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 1: teams when they get schillac like that, they come back

2229
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 1: the next week and at least they fight. You know,

2230
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 1: we don't want that to happen again. And it was

2231
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 1: the exact it got worse.

2232
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 6: I haven't seen that ever, you know, like and I

2233
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 6: get this talent is different, Okay, so I know it's

2234
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:45,639
Speaker 6: not a perfect analogy. Cincinnati went through the first four games.

2235
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 6: They were every business and ept as you were offensively,

2236
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 6: not an exaggeration, with far better talent, but they could

2237
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 6: not protect an injured quarterback who was playing poorly and

2238
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 6: and to the point where it culminated after a bad

2239
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:05,000
Speaker 6: loss to a bad Tennessee team with they're all pro

2240
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 6: wide receivers saying I'm always f and open the next

2241
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:12,639
Speaker 6: game true, fifteen for one to ninety six and three touchdowns.

2242
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 4: He is always no, no.

2243
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 7: But my point is they didn't get all mad.

2244
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 6: The guy was obviously frustrated because he wasn't getting the

2245
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 6: ball enough, and he thinks he could help Joe Burrow,

2246
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 6: who has accomplished far more than Mac Jones has in

2247
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 6: the league, didn't say.

2248
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 3: This guy calling me out.

2249
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 6: No, he said, you know what, You're right, You're right,

2250
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 6: I'm gonna get And all of a sudden, Burrow's thrown

2251
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 6: for three p fifty like he normally does. And maybe

2252
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 6: the CAF is not as big of a problem this

2253
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 6: week as it was last week. I'm gonna guess it is.

2254
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 6: I'm gonna guess it hasn't gotten much better since he's

2255
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 6: playing on it five weeks in a row. But all

2256
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,600
Speaker 6: of a sudden, their offense puts thirty four on the

2257
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,480
Speaker 6: board and it looks a little bit more like Cincinnati

2258
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 6: because that's how you respond. And again, I know it's

2259
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,120
Speaker 6: not perfect because Jamar Chase is not in the.

2260
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 7: Patriots locker room.

2261
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 1: I mean, good or bad. It's group think. It's it's football,

2262
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 1: and to when you have to have group think, and

2263
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: when you have a situation like the Patriots have right now,

2264
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:13,760
Speaker 1: it's group think, negative group think, you know.

2265
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 3: And that's why I think this matchup, everything we're saying

2266
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 3: is just a really interesting one because of all the

2267
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 3: history between these two teams. You know the current history

2268
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 3: last year what happened, but all the players and all

2269
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 3: the you know, coaches, staff, and you know, just the opportunity.

2270
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:27,760
Speaker 3: I think that the Patriots could have to win this one.

2271
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:30,759
Speaker 3: Like it's you know, like I think going into Dallas

2272
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 3: and you know, all right, if they're gonna losing Jerry's world,

2273
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:34,160
Speaker 3: it is what it is. But you know, like this

2274
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 3: is a game that you know you should win most times,

2275
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 3: and I'm just curious what they come out with, what

2276
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 3: kind of fight do they show up?

2277
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 7: Well, this is a game that they should win most times.

2278
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 3: Let me rephrase that, not this team. But I would say,

2279
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,600
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, like like most times, like

2280
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 3: this is a team that a normal Patriots team probably,

2281
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 3: like if this was even last year's team, I say,

2282
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 3: I think they got a really good chance.

2283
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 6: You know, I would say that this is a team

2284
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 6: that has similar talent to yours. Yeah, but I wouldn't

2285
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:02,680
Speaker 6: look at it as a game that you should win.

2286
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:03,879
Speaker 6: And now that's perfect.

2287
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 3: So where does the difference made by what team wants

2288
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 3: it more?

2289
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 6: And I would say, like we're different than most of

2290
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:13,679
Speaker 6: our colleagues who have penciled in last week. This week,

2291
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 6: you know, Washington commands as all games the Patriots quote

2292
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 6: should win, because somehow they convinced themselves that they have

2293
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 6: far more talent on their roster than those teams do.

2294
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 6: And I, you know, like I watched the game Monday night.

2295
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,680
Speaker 6: I put together the matchups just like Evan's watching the

2296
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 6: film for for his previewing game plan. I don't see

2297
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 6: an edge and talent across the board. I see some edges,

2298
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 6: like I think the Patriots have a better defense than

2299
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 6: the Raiders, for sure, But I don't think the Patriots

2300
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 6: have a Max Crosby.

2301
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 1: It's like, based on them winning six super Bowls, they

2302
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: should win.

2303
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 6: This game, right, doesn't anymore because they only have three

2304
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 6: It's just as silly to say it that way.

2305
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 4: I ended up being like, very rarely do I do this,

2306
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 4: But I actually watched the offense film for the Patriots

2307
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 4: another time through, and the time that this time I

2308
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 4: didn't wasn't watching for the normal reasons that I watch.

2309
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 4: I just wanted to watch like the body language and

2310
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:14,600
Speaker 4: like the topic, and like the effort, and like the

2311
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 4: buy in and and really the effort. And I'll say

2312
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 4: this for them, if they are aren't quitting, they're doing

2313
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 4: a really good job of like not like they're quiet quitting, right,

2314
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 4: Like they're not like obviously just not showing up like

2315
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,720
Speaker 4: there's effort on the film, but you can tell that

2316
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,440
Speaker 4: there's just like a little bit of something missing.

2317
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 3: Right, And I think it connects to what the coaches

2318
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,240
Speaker 3: were saying yesterday where it's like it's one it's always

2319
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 3: like one thing or the other. And that's you know

2320
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 3: that to me is it's not a team that's given up,

2321
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,600
Speaker 3: but it's a team that's not completely engaged, and you know,

2322
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 3: and on the edge of every decision and everything. You know,

2323
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 3: those teams that get rolling down near the end of

2324
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 3: the season where they're just making plays left and right,

2325
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:57,200
Speaker 3: everybody's on the same page.

2326
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know this tis hiccup becomes the flu Yeah.

2327
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and then they're and they're fragile emotionally

2328
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 3: right now. And that's why this game, how it starts off,

2329
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 3: I mean every play out of the gate for like,

2330
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 3: you know.

2331
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 4: That's just like I feel like there's a lot out

2332
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 4: there about like Trent Brown in particular, that like he

2333
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 4: just like quit on that game the other day, and

2334
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:22,719
Speaker 4: he had some bad reps like don't get me wrong,

2335
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 4: but I didn't see him flat out quitting. There's some

2336
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 4: bad body language, especially after the Remondre Stevenson mac Jones

2337
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:36,800
Speaker 4: fumble situation. Certainly some some bad body to kill somebody, Yeah,

2338
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 4: But but I didn't see him him quitting. I just

2339
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's it's it's quiet quitting, Like

2340
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:47,120
Speaker 4: they're still doing their jobs and going through the motions,

2341
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:48,759
Speaker 4: but they're not really going.

2342
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 1: That next invested Rick and Dallas. Based on what I

2343
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 1: believe Evan said yesterday, it would be safe to assume

2344
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 1: that Bears used the number one pick on Caleb Williams.

2345
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:01,639
Speaker 1: Is there any value on sending a mid round pick

2346
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:05,639
Speaker 1: for Fields and using their own top five to ten

2347
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 1: pick on a wide receiver or tackle? Is Fields too broken?

2348
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:11,760
Speaker 1: Or could Bill O'Brien give him the coaching he never

2349
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 1: received in Chicago? Is Drake may a better prospect than

2350
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: Fields is?

2351
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 2: Now?

2352
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 6: Probably yes? But I love this is the kind of

2353
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 6: stuff I love. I love that that that line of thought. Now,

2354
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 6: I don't know where Chicago is, and I don't think

2355
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 6: even putting words, And I think Evan just corrected me

2356
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:31,640
Speaker 6: in reminding me that Carolina had traded that pick to

2357
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 6: the Chicago I don't think you definitively said one way.

2358
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 1: Or the other.

2359
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 4: Did you about them taking a quarterback?

2360
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2361
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 1: No.

2362
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 6: Now, yeah, I would probably say based right now, it

2363
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 6: probably will probably because it's probably going to be a

2364
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,560
Speaker 6: new coach and he's probably going to come in and

2365
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 6: want to have his own quarterback. But would you give

2366
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:51,160
Speaker 6: a mid round pick, Like if you could give a

2367
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 6: fifth round pick for Justin Fields, I would think about that.

2368
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:57,920
Speaker 4: I mean, it depends on what your own plans are.

2369
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 4: I suppose, right, it also depends on what O'Brien thinks too. Well,

2370
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:05,480
Speaker 4: then you just have like two broken quarterbacks.

2371
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 1: No, No, I would kind of like it's kind of

2372
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,560
Speaker 1: like what the other caller was saying, like, if you

2373
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 1: can't get the top quarterbacks, start getting the pieces. So

2374
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 1: if you're only giving up a mid round pick for Fields,

2375
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 1: maybe we can rehabilitate him and meantime we're building up,

2376
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:24,559
Speaker 1: we're building up the pieces, and if it doesn't work out,

2377
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:25,879
Speaker 1: then we go for the quarterback.

2378
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 4: I just don't know why, Like, you can make the

2379
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:30,640
Speaker 4: same case for Mac, can't you, Like then you can in.

2380
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 1: This case the other guy did trist but in this

2381
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 1: case was in this case your scouting says that Fields

2382
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 1: is better Mac.

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01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 4: I don't know if other than like just like physical

2384
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 4: like running ability. I don't know if how you really

2385
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 4: get there, especially if Bill O'Brien still the offensive coordinator,

2386
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:49,560
Speaker 4: and this is sort of the type of offense that

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01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 4: you want to run.

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01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 6: And before we get calls, Okay, we all saw the

2389
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 6: last two weeks where Fields was excellent and mac Jones

2390
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 6: was as bad as you could be. We're talking about

2391
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:01,040
Speaker 6: the tired of the body.

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Speaker 3: And I would just say, until you know you got

2393
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 3: the guy, I'm I'm all for any avenue take a

2394
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 3: shot on a quarterback, especially one with talent like Trey Lance,

2395
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:09,560
Speaker 3: any of those guys like you want to bring him in,

2396
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 3: not spend a lot of money or you know, not

2397
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 3: spend the draft capital. I'm all for any quarterback you

2398
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 3: can bring in.

2399
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 1: Gary in East Hanover, New Jersey. Looking ahead to the future,

2400
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 1: what is your opinion of pursuing Steve Starkesian as the

2401
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 1: next head coach. He's widely viewed as the best offensive

2402
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,759
Speaker 1: mine in college football today. He has head coaching experience

2403
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 1: as well as great success as an offensive coordinator. He

2404
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:34,759
Speaker 1: was an O c under both Pete Carroll and Nick Saban.

2405
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel an offensive minded coach is

2406
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 1: the way to go in the modern day. NFL.

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01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:42,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, where's the NFL resume?

2408
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, NFL. And he's also a little bit of

2409
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 3: a hothead too.

2410
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 7: There's not no, it's not good.

2411
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and Atlanta wasn't great.

2412
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:51,719
Speaker 3: There's a great video of him like somebody like security

2413
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 3: guard like they're waiting to come out for the game,

2414
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 3: and a security guards like, so hold on a second, sir,

2415
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 3: Oh really? And he lost his mind on the guy

2416
01:48:57,920 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson.

2417
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 4: I love Steve. I think is a great coach. Why

2418
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:07,639
Speaker 4: is he leaving Texas? Yeah, come here and fix this mess.

2419
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:09,040
Speaker 7: And take a pay Archie man.

2420
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 3: Arch arch Sorry.

2421
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to seeing him play, but it's probably

2422
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:18,719
Speaker 6: not gonna be the Quinn seventy seventh year senior.

2423
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 7: He's been around for a while.

2424
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 4: Quin Yours is coming out. He's he's an interesting prospect.

2425
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:26,640
Speaker 3: Texas does quarter quarterback play six years? The next one

2426
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 3: plays six years? Like that's just how old McCoy.

2427
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,720
Speaker 4: Oh he's but yours is like their best quarterback in

2428
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 4: like a little bit.

2429
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 7: This is a real court.

2430
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2431
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 7: Evan's right, He's he can throw.

2432
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:39,639
Speaker 6: He's not just a good college player like Sam Ellinger

2433
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 6: was a really good college quarterback.

2434
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:42,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Colt McCoy or.

2435
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:46,360
Speaker 1: Something, Scott and Washington. I love listening to you guys,

2436
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:49,639
Speaker 1: but the Patriots need to show excuse me, more toughness,

2437
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,640
Speaker 1: and we as fans need to show more toughness. What

2438
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: happened to the fight we had during the Packers practices

2439
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:56,559
Speaker 1: and games?

2440
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 4: What what fight do we have then?

2441
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:00,400
Speaker 1: Oh?

2442
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 3: The Packers they had fights?

2443
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 4: Oh oh like physical fight. Yeah, you lose seventy two

2444
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 4: to three two games.

2445
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:12,680
Speaker 1: Let's see Ron and Cambridge. Yesterday, when duce said it

2446
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 1: will be really interesting to see where this team goes

2447
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:17,800
Speaker 1: from here after the blowout walls of the Saints, my

2448
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: eyes almost rolled out of my head. It took me

2449
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty, when after Brady left he says

2450
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:25,320
Speaker 1: something similar like, it'll be interesting to see where the

2451
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 1: greatest head coach of all time takes the team now

2452
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:30,759
Speaker 1: that Brady isn't here and they aren't butting heads. Ducee,

2453
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:34,360
Speaker 1: this team, this team's entire existence post Brady has been

2454
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: the furthest thing from interesting. Bill. Really, Bill and the

2455
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 1: Patriots didn't realize how good they had it with Brady,

2456
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing you fall into that category as well.

2457
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 3: Wow, Well, I disagree with the interesting because I think

2458
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 3: it's really actually been really interesting.

2459
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm waiting for this seth wickershams.

2460
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: You know that's coming soon, right.

2461
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 4: But like it also just you know, like to that

2462
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 4: it didn't have to be this bad either, right, like

2463
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 4: just because it was it was never gonna be as

2464
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 4: good as it was with Brady. We all knew that,

2465
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:03,479
Speaker 4: but it didn't also didn't need.

2466
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 3: To be this I have to be this bad, you're

2467
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 3: at the bottom.

2468
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2469
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 6: The king of negativity is Mike Felger, right, Yeah, he's

2470
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 6: still stunned right that this happened. He was convinced that

2471
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 6: the ship was just gonna continue to go merrily along,

2472
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 6: right U.

2473
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 1: Chad says, what you people are describing as swagger, This

2474
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 1: team has no swagger.

2475
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 4: What do you mean?

2476
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:25,480
Speaker 1: The lack of swagger stems from a lack of confidence.

2477
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 1: The team knows they're missing important pieces and it shows.

2478
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 1: That's why I think the coaches gave them those sweatshirts.

2479
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:33,840
Speaker 1: It was a message for the players, media and fans

2480
01:51:33,880 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 1: to shut up, keep quiet, and stop asking for help.

2481
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 1: No one is coming.

2482
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah great, ID. But when we were talking about uh,

2483
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 4: you know, I thought about this too, like DeAndre Hopkins,

2484
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:48,160
Speaker 4: and we were I was especially I don't speak for

2485
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 4: you guys, but I was like pounding every single table

2486
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 4: in this building that to give DeAndre Hopkins whatever the

2487
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:55,679
Speaker 4: heck he wanted. And a big reason why I wanted

2488
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 4: to do it was because he brings some swagger to

2489
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 4: the locker room. Like he brings is a playmaker to

2490
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 4: the locker room. Who's got some cachet, who's got some poll,

2491
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 4: who's in, who's got obviously talent and this team just

2492
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 4: has no belief whatsoever, and the talent on the team,

2493
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 4: especially offensively, because they have no players like that. And

2494
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:17,640
Speaker 4: last week he goes to Tennessee and has what a

2495
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 4: buck sixty and like eight catches, right, And it's just

2496
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:23,800
Speaker 4: like that was that was the type of like just

2497
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 4: juice that this team needed, Like they needed that influx

2498
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 4: of just swagger, confidence, whatever you want to call it.

2499
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:33,599
Speaker 4: And by bocking on those moves, they just they don't

2500
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 4: have any of it.

2501
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 3: And now it's snowballing and every like the buzzword is stink, stank, stunk,

2502
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 3: and they have no talent, and you know, I mean

2503
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:42,320
Speaker 3: that's and that's what they're hearing. I'm sure.

2504
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 1: A little show critique from Ryan in Virginia says, Fred,

2505
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:49,439
Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head asking Hardy or

2506
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 1: talking to Hardy as to why emails are superior to

2507
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:54,639
Speaker 1: the phone calls. The coasts get to pick the best ones,

2508
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 1: and you read them yourself in order to get straight

2509
01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 1: to the point. In contrast, way too many phone calls amble,

2510
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 1: waste time, seemed distracted or hard to hear, or generally

2511
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:07,680
Speaker 1: unprofound in their questioning. When you take most calls, the

2512
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:12,200
Speaker 1: World's Original podcast evolves into lunkhead afternoon drive radio. At

2513
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:14,839
Speaker 1: least Mark and the Bay was entertaining in an avant

2514
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:18,400
Speaker 1: garde sort of way. He was entertaining because Eric would

2515
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 1: get so well, that's that's part of it. That's why

2516
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:26,519
Speaker 1: or Fred at least needs to be ruder, read funnier

2517
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,599
Speaker 1: to the callers. That will make it better. I don't

2518
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:31,559
Speaker 1: want to be rude to our call are best fans.

2519
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:33,200
Speaker 3: We'll make sure Hardy you don't have those.

2520
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:37,400
Speaker 6: You don't have Hardy's talent to read them all in

2521
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:39,240
Speaker 6: write in dinner theater style.

2522
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 1: Right now.

2523
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:42,439
Speaker 3: He's got to read them this week. You got to

2524
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 3: make sure he stays on those.

2525
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 1: Uh, let's see Jared wants to talk about fullbacks. Jared

2526
01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:53,400
Speaker 1: in La. What I found fascinating is there was a

2527
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 1: time where Bill did things before everyone started trends in

2528
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,760
Speaker 1: the NFL and found success by innovating and pulling from

2529
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 1: But lately it's felt like the pendulum has swung the

2530
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:06,600
Speaker 1: other way. I want to start a discussion about fullbacks.

2531
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 1: The two most high powered offenses utilize fullbacks, Dolphins and

2532
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:13,519
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers. Why is it that we went away

2533
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 1: from it when it's being used to great effect?

2534
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:18,680
Speaker 3: Now that's different though, it's different the way they use it.

2535
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's not the same. It's just

2536
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:22,960
Speaker 3: having a battering ram out there for your running game.

2537
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:26,759
Speaker 3: This is like, you know, Kyle Uschek is a legitimate

2538
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 3: option for their for their you know, attack, And so

2539
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:33,120
Speaker 3: I think that, I mean, I just I'm not saying

2540
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:34,640
Speaker 3: it's right, but I just think they wanted to get

2541
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 3: away from.

2542
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 1: If Yakub Johnson was a better pass catcher, would he

2543
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:38,600
Speaker 1: still be here?

2544
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:39,880
Speaker 9: No?

2545
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 3: No, I don't think they just no. I think when

2546
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 3: Josh left, I think they were take your fullbacks with you.

2547
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 3: We're dumb.

2548
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 4: So alec Ingold is the Dolphins full back, and the

2549
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:51,640
Speaker 4: Dolphins actually lead the league in twenty one personnel usage

2550
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 4: with the full back, and he's he's not Kyle's use

2551
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 4: check like, he's more of it. I've been saying this,

2552
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 4: like the fact that they moved on from the full back.

2553
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 4: I still have not gotten a reason that I buy

2554
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 4: like that. I think is sound reasoning. So you're telling

2555
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 4: me you can't throw the ball because the full back, Well,

2556
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 4: Miami and San Francisco figure out a way to do it,

2557
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 4: and they have the most efficient offenses in the league.

2558
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:16,960
Speaker 4: So you're telling me that you can't throw it because

2559
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 4: it's predictable or whatever. Well, I don't know. I asked

2560
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:22,280
Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel how he does it then, because they're lighting

2561
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 4: up the world with the full back on the field,

2562
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 4: And I.

2563
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:26,280
Speaker 6: Can just tell you with certainty that a member of

2564
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 6: the organization, that's how he explained it to me. They

2565
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:32,680
Speaker 6: didn't like the predictability that went along with the fullback.

2566
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 6: So what Evan's saying right now is not wrong. I mean,

2567
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,720
Speaker 6: they thought that that was the tell. Every time Johnson

2568
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:39,600
Speaker 6: was on the field, they knew they were running blah

2569
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 6: blah blah blah blah. They needed to get rid of

2570
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 6: him when Josh got left. That's the way it was

2571
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:45,080
Speaker 6: put to me.

2572
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: But it's only it's only a tell if you make

2573
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:49,840
Speaker 1: it a tell like you could.

2574
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:54,560
Speaker 6: But I would also agree, and I agree with Evan

2575
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 6: that alec Ingold isn't use check. He's not that athletic,

2576
01:55:57,840 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 6: but he can get out and do something.

2577
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 7: He can move.

2578
01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:03,600
Speaker 6: I think Johnson's a bad ring ram I think maybe

2579
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:06,200
Speaker 6: it wasn't the fullback that was the problem, it was

2580
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 6: the particular fullback.

2581
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, at plus two. I think the Patriots already had

2582
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 3: a slow offense to begin with. So it's like when

2583
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:15,280
Speaker 3: you have guys on the outside like Debo and Ayuk

2584
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:18,320
Speaker 3: or Tyreek and Waddle, you know, like it's not going

2585
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:21,240
Speaker 3: to drag your whole team speed down just by putting

2586
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,360
Speaker 3: the fullback on the field. Whereas like the Patriots already

2587
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:24,080
Speaker 3: slow to begin with.

2588
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 4: They were in twenty one, they were eleventh in rush EPA,

2589
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 4: and they had a great play action passing attack with

2590
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 4: the fullback and their rush efficiency even with Ramandre going

2591
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:41,480
Speaker 4: you know, over a thousand last year. Just in general,

2592
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:46,440
Speaker 4: they've run the ball less and less well since twenty one. Yeah,

2593
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:49,240
Speaker 4: and so that was with the personnel that they had

2594
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:51,520
Speaker 4: in twenty one, Like you know, it's not This is.

2595
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 6: A point that I don't think gets enough attention because

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Speaker 6: Stevenson individually had a statistically strong year with a thousand

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Speaker 6: yards in average five yards to carry. The Patriots did

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Speaker 6: not run the ball well last year by all metrics,

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Speaker 6: Like Stevenson broke a ton of tackles and they did

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Speaker 6: not run the ball well.

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Speaker 4: And I can't just like help but think that the

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Speaker 4: single back stuff, Like in twenty one you were a

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Speaker 4: great running team. In nineteen and eighteen, you were also

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Speaker 4: a great running team twenty Obviously you had a running quarterback,

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Speaker 4: so it's like a little bit skewed twenty But in

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Speaker 4: those years you had the stationary quarterback with the full

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Speaker 4: back in the backfield, and you were an efficient rushing offense.

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Speaker 4: Then you went away from the full back, and now

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Speaker 4: you can't run the ball right.

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Speaker 1: All right, A lot to continue tomorrow, But coming up

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Speaker 1: next is the Playbook with John Rook. Evan will stick

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Speaker 1: around for that. Do you stay for the whole show, Evan?

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Speaker 4: No, just a little bit, just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Andy Hart joining the Playbook.

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Speaker 3: Andy Hart for a podcast that's a huge tease.

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Speaker 1: I think people will want to stay around for that

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Speaker 1: for huge head. All right, we'll be back tomorrow on Thursday, Picks.

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