1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Let's go. Let's 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: go Giants, Get out on the Giants. Mobul give me 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 1: some job. Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's row. 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants, 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: coming to you from our podcast studio, presented by Hackensack 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: Maridine Health Keep getting Better. Joining us today is the 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: lead play by play man for Fox NFL. You can 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: also find them as a big part of Fox's baseball 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: coverage as well well. Ask one question about that at 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: the end. An old friend of mine, Jersey native Kevin 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Barkark KB. 13 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: What's going on, man, Belkie Baby, good to see you. 14 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: I'm excited. We're talking football. We're back. Life is good, 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: my man. 16 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're very excited because you are on the 17 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: call for the opener for the Giants at the Commanders 18 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: coming up this Sunday at one o'clock on Fox. And look, 19 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: you grew up in the NFC East KB. I know 20 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: you must be excited to have Giants Commanders as your 21 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Week one matchup. 22 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Listen, you know me. I love I love the 23 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: old NFC matchups and I think like you know, growing 24 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: up in North Jersey, Like you know, I never get 25 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: to see family and friends because we haven't had too 26 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: many Giants games, right, So I'm dying for them to 27 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: get some wins and for us to go back and 28 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: do some games. I just love the feel of these games, 29 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: you know, you know, Giants' commanders, whoever it is like 30 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: in that division. To me, it has a special place 31 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: in my heart, and I just it's kind a good 32 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: vibe to this one, it does, you know, with Washington 33 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: reaching the championship game for the first time in thirty 34 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: plus years last year, and it just feels to me, 35 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: even though I haven't been there a day from the 36 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: opposite coast, it just feels like there's a lot of 37 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: good vibes with the Giants, you know, going back to 38 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: their playoff here in twenty twenty two, Like it feels 39 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: like the worm is turning a little bit in week one. Obviously, 40 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 2: everybody's optimistic. 41 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, if you can't be optimistic, back your team 42 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: on August twenty eighth. You know, I think you got problems. 43 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: I think this is the optimism time for everybody. But look, 44 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: kayb I'm with you. I mean, as we sit here. 45 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: I have not seen the many positive vibes heading into 46 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: a Giant season, probably since the year after their twenty 47 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: twenty two playoff run, and even then it was muted 48 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: a little bit. Do you even get the sens being 49 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: out there on the West coast now that there is 50 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: more optimism surrounding the Giants and and kind of where 51 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: they're heading right now? 52 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, I do. You know? And again 53 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: I have a family and friends all throughout Jerseys, so 54 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: I get I get the reports from them, and they're 55 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: fired up. But I think just the moves that they made, right, 56 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously last year was a disaster, but in reality, 57 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: since their playoff win in the game that Daniel Jones 58 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: had the best game of his life, you know, with 59 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: injuries and not playing well on other things that that occurred, 60 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: you know, it was just the worst case scenario, right, 61 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: So what would they do? They loaded up their quarterback 62 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: room with guys who can play and guys who are 63 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 2: veterans like Russell Wilson. You know what you're going to get. 64 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's Russell Wilson of twenty three years old, 65 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: but he's going to be a leader. He's going to 66 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: be a professional. He is going to be a solid 67 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: you know, he's the guy who you want leading your team, 68 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: especially when you're a young team and trying to kind 69 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: of find your way through the forest. I think it's 70 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 2: a perfect sign. And then you go draft the quarterback 71 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: you think could be your guy for the next fifteen years. 72 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: So there's that vibe. And then the reality is they're young, 73 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: you know, and they were young last year, So how 74 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: did those guys jump to the second year and see 75 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: how they do? But they added a couple like really 76 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: good veterans besides Russ, you know the I mean I 77 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: love what they did on defense, bringing over at Debo 78 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: and Holland. I mean, that's so much better and so 79 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: much stability. And I think leadership, you know, Holland's he's 80 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: a leader, So I think that's also part of it 81 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: is finding you know, I'm not trying to take shots 82 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: at the previous team, but it's like finding like the 83 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: leaders that could shepherd the young guys to success. I 84 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: think that's what Joe Shane tried to do. It's pretty 85 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: evident with the roster building, and so now we'll see 86 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: talent wise how it lays out to the rest of 87 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: the league. 88 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, Joe Shane said that he said a 89 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: big goal was to bring in leaders and Brian Dables 90 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: said that he wants a player driven leadership model where 91 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: you're relying on your players. And look, you mentioned Russell Wilson, 92 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: and you mentioned that the young team when Russell Wilson 93 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: was going to going to and winning super Bowls. A 94 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: lot of the guys in this roster world in high school. 95 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: So they get here, they see a guy that they 96 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: watched on TV with a Super Bowl and I think 97 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: there's an automatic level of respecting confidence for him, where 98 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: they're willing to listen, they're willing to learn, and I 99 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: think to your point, with a young team, that really 100 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: does go a long way. 101 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's a good player. Yeah, again, he's not 102 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 2: running around like he used to be in Seattle. But look, 103 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: I know the ending last year in Pittsburgh was not good. 104 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 2: They lost their last five games at a couple tough losses, 105 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: and then they you know, they lose in the playoffs. 106 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: So I know people that's the first thing they're going 107 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: to point to. But the reality is he brought stability 108 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: to their offense and to their team last year. It 109 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: just was a bad finish. So I think he is 110 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: perfect for what the Giants are trying to do right now. 111 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: Obviously they want to win as many games as possible, 112 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: but in doing that and trying to be a playoff 113 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: team and also set it up where you could have Jackson, 114 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: you know, learn and come in and by the way, 115 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: I I don't think if he sits out the entire 116 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: year it's a bad thing, you know. I know we're 117 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: in this role now where every guy gets drafted and 118 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: they play. It's not necessarily the best thing in the world, 119 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, you know, the only person you 120 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: have to look to is Patrick Mahomes who sat for 121 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: a year, and no one seems to remember that Alex 122 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: Smith was the chief starter. I think that is a 123 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: good thing for him to sit and watch and learn 124 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: and just to absorb a little bit that. I know 125 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: as a fan, you of course want the kid to 126 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: start week one. That's always the way it is. But 127 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: I think it's a perfect situation. I really do. 128 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, just look at the guy that won the Super 129 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: Bowl last year, Jalen hurstdon't start right away either. 130 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: Oh, There's been a lot of guys that have had 131 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: success doing that, right, Jordan Love in Green Bay sat 132 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: for three years, right, and you know, obviously they had 133 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: Aaron there who was great. But you know this, and 134 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: I get it, this mode where you draft kid and 135 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 2: guy's jobs are on the line, you throw him in there. 136 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: It's not always the best thing. Jane Daniels was an anomaly, right. 137 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: There are not too many rookies that come in and 138 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: do what he did. He was freaking awesome and he's 139 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: a star. But that just doesn't happen every day. So 140 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: I like the situation that the Giants are in this year, 141 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: I really do. 142 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: And we will get to the commander certainly, and Kevin 143 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: you were you know, you know what's going on down 144 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: here in New York, and you know, the offensive line 145 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: has been a really big question for a long time. 146 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: This is airing on Wednesday. Were recording the week prior, 147 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: so we're not sure about Andrew Thomas yet. You know, 148 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: by the time this airs, we might not even have 149 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: an official injury report yet on whether or not he's 150 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: going to play. He's on schedule, the intention is for 151 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: him to play. But I got to imagine that's going 152 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: to be a big thing. You guys are going to 153 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: be talking about in the booth is his presence and 154 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: whether or not this offensive line can protect Russell Wilson 155 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: to throw those moon balls, to run those deep play 156 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: action passes, right, because he's so much better when he's 157 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: clean back there rather than running for his life. 158 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's Look, that has been a humongous 159 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 2: question with the Giants for years now. And Andrew Thomas 160 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: one of the best. That Liz frank injury is no joke. 161 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: And I know he's trying to come back for play 162 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: week one, but obviously the Giants goals to make sure 163 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: he's good for the rest of the season. So that's 164 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: a big part it. But I think it's also John. 165 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: It's consistency. I mean it's I mean, they had a 166 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: rotating bunch of guys, like every week it was a 167 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: different starting combination for them last week. You cannot win 168 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: doing that. And part of it is obviously luck, but 169 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: it's it's being good. But part of being good is 170 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: having that consistency on the offensive line. And I agree 171 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: with you. Like Russell, Look, he could still move, but 172 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: he's not gonna scramble away and run for thirty yards 173 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: every time there's pressure in his face, right, he is 174 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: the best deep thrower in the game. I want to 175 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: see those deep balls to Neighbors and to Hiatt and 176 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: to Slayton and those guys. But you gotta have consistency there, 177 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: and so I think obviously when Thomas comes back, it's 178 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: that's the number one thing. But just overall, stay healthy, 179 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: let that group play together and see if they could 180 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: bond and actually be a decent O line. That's going 181 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: to be such a big key. 182 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: You mentioned Neighbors, and he had a monster year last year, 183 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: but I think a lot of that was lost because frankly, 184 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: the Giants won three games and people weren't paying attention 185 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: to ton. I think if he comes out in this 186 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,119 Speaker 1: big Week one game here, has a monster game against 187 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: the Commanders, this could be like a real coming out 188 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: party on the national stage former league Neighbors, because you 189 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: really didn't have that in a national game last year. 190 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: He could have an absolute monster year. 191 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, I think it's a really good point. 192 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those things because the Giants 193 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: didn't win in their offense was obviously you know, the 194 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: last in the league that didn't get the credit, and 195 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: you know, he was right behind Brock Bauers for the 196 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: rookie record. Ironic that both guys in the same class 197 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: are going for that record. So I will say this though, 198 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: I'm not worried about Neighbors, and you're right, I think 199 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: he could explode in that game. It'll be a fun 200 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: national story just for everyone to be like, whoa, you know, 201 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: this guy is really good for those who didn't watch 202 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: him in New York. But I'm wondering who else is 203 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: it going to be. I mean, his target share last 204 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: year was almost thirty percent. 205 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was astronomical. 206 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: It's astronomy, like he's great and it's amazing the season 207 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: he had with all the you know, dysfunction is not 208 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: the right word, but you know what I mean, with 209 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 2: all the stuff going on around him and changing quarterbacks, 210 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: and it's amazing he did what he did. But they 211 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: gotta have somebody else. There needs to be a two 212 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: and a three option here besides Neighbors for their offense 213 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: to really go. And I think that's what I'm looking 214 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: forward to seeing besides Neighbors. Neighbors is great and it'll 215 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: be cool for him to go off of for the 216 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: national audience to see. But I think for the Giants 217 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: maybe their biggest question is who's after him? Like who 218 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: else is going to catch passes? And really step up 219 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: on a third and seven that rusk will can get 220 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: the ball to him. 221 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: The Giants Total podcast is brought to you by Citizens, 222 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: the official bank of the Giants. From gaming they celebrations 223 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: to your everyday financial needs. 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Wanda Robinson has caught a 241 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: lot of passes, but a lot of short stuff not 242 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: down the field. Could it be theil Johnson, the second 243 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: year tight end out of Penn State, And then I 244 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: think you'll go at the running back room too. It's 245 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: really exciting, Kevin. I mean, Tyron Tracy, I think is 246 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: a really good player. People don't realize it yet. I 247 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 1: don't know how much camp Scatabu is going to have 248 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: a role early after missing a lot of time in camp, 249 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: but I think if they want to recreate a little 250 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: bit how Russell Wilson had success in Seattle, the run 251 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: game should be a big part of this. Where you're 252 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: not putting everything on the quarterback and you're providing him 253 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: that type of balance you can use play action if 254 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: you can get that running game going early. 255 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I could not agree more. I really totally agree 256 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: with you there, John. Like you know, Tracy had, he 257 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: had a really good year behind As we talked about 258 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: that offensive line, which was a bit of a mess 259 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: last year, I mean a thousand total yards for him, Like, 260 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: that's solid rookie campaign. I think Skataboo is really fun 261 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: and we'll see how they use him. But he's like 262 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: a human bowling ball, you know, which you guys got 263 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: to see. And you know, I think they've got some 264 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: options there. We'll see how THEO does in his second year. 265 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: He showed some flashes and promise catching balls. I just think, 266 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 2: you know, before Wandal got hurt, before he blew his 267 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 2: knee out, you know, he showed some really good flashes. 268 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: And I think he can be like that slot guy, 269 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: that big third down guy, not just the dump off guy. 270 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: I think he could have a big year, especially early 271 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: on with Russell Wilson, you know, on those key downs, 272 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: like if it's not Neighbors. We know Neighbors is great, 273 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: but I'm curious for week one who else is going 274 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: to be. 275 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: Now, I'm with you, I think it'll be fun. All right, 276 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: let's jump over to the defensive side of the ball. 277 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: Very quickly. You mentioned it, this could be one of 278 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: the best pass rushes in the league. Now, can the 279 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: offense get them the leads the pass rush can and 280 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: do their thing. Can they stop the run so the 281 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: pass rush can do their thing. But if one or 282 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: two two of those things click, dex the Lawrence, Brian Burns, 283 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: Kevon Thibodeau, Abdul Carter, who knows where they're gonna line 284 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: him up every play. I mean, just looking at the talent, 285 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: this could be. You know, last year they had forty 286 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: five sacks. People will realize this were eight in the NFL. 287 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: With forty five sacks last year. You could pop over 288 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: fifty this year and be top three if everything goes right. 289 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: The key phrase you mentioned there is having a lead. 290 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: I mean, they never led games last year. It wasn't 291 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: even that they didn't wing it. They didn't lead. I 292 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: think they had I forget the minutes total, but they 293 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 2: were leading the fewest amount of minutes in the league 294 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: last year, and so hard to peer to peel your 295 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: ears back and go after the quarterback when you're constantly behind, 296 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: when you have to really play both and play play action. 297 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think it's gonna be interesting. 298 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: You know, I'm fascinating we know sexy Dexi in what 299 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: he brings to the table. Obviously with Carter the one pick, 300 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: I'm really curious that you know Burns is so consistent, 301 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 2: you know you're gonna get from him. I'm just curious 302 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: to see what Thibodeau does, you know. I think it's 303 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: kind of a big year for him and see how 304 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: he performs, especially with the drafting of Carter and kind 305 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 2: of mixing him in and what kind of role he's 306 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 2: going to play. But I do think they're improved. And look, 307 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 2: they improved a lot last year. You know, they got 308 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: to basically the middle of the pack, you know, in 309 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 2: some categories, and I think that line I love Okara kay. 310 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: I think he's a consummate professional leader in the middle 311 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: of that day and a good tackler he got hurt 312 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: at the end of last year. And then the additions 313 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: of the secondary, there's no question they're better. And I 314 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 2: agree with you. If they get it, if they get 315 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: the chance, they could be, you know, the best pass 316 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: rushing unit in the league. But they got to have 317 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: the lead. They got to have some fourth quarters where 318 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: they're in front at least by a field going and 319 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: get a chance to really show what they can do. 320 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: All right, let's jump over to the commanders, who the 321 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: Giants a get in Weak Number one obviously came out 322 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: of nowhere last year behind Jade and Daniels, who had 323 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: an unbelievable rookie year. You had him in the NFC 324 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: title Game against the Eagles in a game where they 325 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: scored plenty of points, they just couldn't get any stops. 326 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: Is that going to be a similar problem? Do you 327 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: think for them this year? Do you think they've done 328 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: enough on defense where they were able to clean up 329 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: that side of the ball a little bit? 330 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: Well? I did their game in Detroit too, when they 331 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: just gashed the Lions and that was so impressive. You know, look, 332 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: I think offensively they're good. You know, I think that 333 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: Jaymee Dan. You know, people were going to say, well, 334 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: you know, the league has a year to look in 335 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: him in the offseason. How they're going to respond to him? 336 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: And absolutely that is part of it. That's always the 337 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: case is how do they respond? 338 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: Right? 339 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: And for Washington fans, they're like, well, we saw this 340 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: with RG three, you know, how is our guy going 341 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: to respond? I think Jade Daniels is a star. I 342 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: think he's I think he's a superstar. He's smart, he's 343 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: he's he's got it all. He's obviously not a big guy, 344 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: So you worry about that when he runs. You know 345 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: they got They traded away Brian Robinson, which was their 346 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: lead back, but I think they've got enough versatility there. 347 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: They bring over Deebo Samuel. I just like what they 348 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: have to offer. They've got a good offensive line, so 349 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: that's offense. Defensively, you know it's going to be interesting. 350 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: They lost Dante Fowler, who was their leading sack guy, 351 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: and they replaced him with Von Miller, who's thirty six 352 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: years old. Vaughn's great, he's the all time active sack leader. 353 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: He's you know, Hall of Famer, But I don't know 354 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: what Vaughn is going to give at age thirty six. 355 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: I think defensively, their big weakness is I think there's 356 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: a couple questions. First of all, can they stop the 357 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: run because they couldn't do it last year and I 358 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: don't know that they're much better in that area this year. 359 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: And then the other thing is I think for them, 360 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: which is a big deal, they had a great draft 361 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: last year. Mikey sain Rastill was amazing, and I mean 362 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: he was so good in the secondary. And I like 363 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: their safeties that they've got good versatility. But I think 364 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: the key for them in going from a good defense 365 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: to a great defense. Is Marshawn Lattimore the guy that 366 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: he was three four years ago for New Orleans or 367 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: is he just okay and little injury prone right now? 368 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: I think, you know, they traded for him hoping he's 369 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: still the one guy, and injuries have been a big 370 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: reason why you haven't been able to see that. But 371 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: I think that is a humongous key for Washington. 372 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: And look, Kevin, they've kind of gone all in here, 373 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: like they traded a bunch of draft picks in the offseason, 374 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: whether it was the Deebo Samuel trade you mentioned, the 375 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: Marshall Lattimore trade. They probably have one of the older 376 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: rosters in the league. I think they're trying to take 377 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: advantage of this window with Jayden Daniels on his rookie contract. 378 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what happened. They brought, you know, they 379 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: brought the new regime, and obviously it's been a total changeover, 380 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: right with Josh Harris the owner, and Adam Peters, who's 381 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: so great worked under John Lynch for all those years 382 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: in San Francisco, and then Dan Quinn who's an awesome coach, 383 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: and their initial thing was we're going to bring over 384 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: some good veterans kind of what we're talking about with 385 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: the Giants. Honestly, we're gonna bring up some good veteran 386 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: leadership and be a decent football team. Right, they won 387 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: four games two years ago. You know the Giants should 388 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: look to them and see like that's I think the 389 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: formula is kind of what they're trying to do, with 390 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: the exception of they didn't you know, with the exception 391 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: of Daniel's play right out of the gate and Jackson 392 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: dorrit is sitting. But they just wanted to go from 393 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: a bad football team to a competent football team and 394 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: build a culture with Dan Quinn. And it turned out 395 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: they had a lot of guys play really, really well, 396 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: and the rookies played great, and they weren't a good 397 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: football team, they were an excellent football team. So I think, 398 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: you know, yes, they're older, but you know, with what 399 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: happened last year, they're like, Okay, well we're good. We're 400 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: just going to add to that now and yeah, try 401 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: and win now. And now the key is going to 402 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: be down the road. They're going to have to turn 403 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: that over at some point. But I think right now 404 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: for the next year, or two who cares. You know, 405 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: you try and win. You got a quarterback who's not 406 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: making any money, and that's when you can spend on 407 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: the older veterans. That's what Seahawks did with Russell Wilson 408 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: when he was a kid. They spend all this money 409 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: on the Legion of Boom and all these guys, and 410 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: they didn't pay Russell or anything. And that's what they 411 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: won because they didn't have the money tied up in 412 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: the quarterback. So I think the Giants, ironically, you look 413 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 2: at the Commanders, I don't think the formula is that different. 414 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: I think a lot of what they did is what 415 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 2: Washington tried to do last year when they went from 416 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: four wins to twelve in a single year. 417 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: And I got to give Adam Peter's credit. You know 418 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: you mentioned that second year for a rookie, progress is 419 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: not always linear, right. Look at CJ. Strad last year. 420 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: He had a similar rookie letter. Jayda Daniels last year 421 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: didn't look as good. Now. A lot of that deals 422 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: what was going on around CJ. 423 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: Shad. 424 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: They couldn't protect them. The offense line was a mess, 425 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: and I got to give Adam Peter some credit. I 426 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: think he said to himself in order to avoid that 427 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: potential regression from Jaden Daniels, I'm loading up on offense 428 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: in the offseason. I'm bringing in a left tackle that 429 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: I know is awesome, and Laramie Tunsil. I'm bringing in 430 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: a guy that he can throw a two yard pass to, 431 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: and Deebo Samuel that can turn into a twenty yard game. 432 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: And I think he really said, I'm going to try 433 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: to build an infrastructure around this quarterback to make sure 434 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: we don't have what happened to CJ Stradd last year 435 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: in Houston. 436 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a great point, I really do. 437 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: And I think the biggest difference is now. Look we'll 438 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: see and they've been a little banged up in camp, 439 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: so you know, Cosme's out to start the year, you know, 440 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 2: one of the really good linemen. But they've got a 441 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: better line than Houston did last year, at least on paper. 442 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 2: And they played that way, you know, last year, So 443 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 2: I think the protection. I think the fascinating thing for 444 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 2: me watching their offense is not only yes, how they 445 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 2: use Debo, who by all accounts kind of is looking 446 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: really really good. He had a pneumonia bout last year 447 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: and it really messed with him and it hurt him 448 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: a lot. But I think it's how much are they 449 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: still doing all the same things with Jayden that they 450 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: did last year, because you know how it goes, you know, 451 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 2: first year, you kind of throw it out there, he's 452 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: running for eight hundred yards. You let him go and 453 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: do his thing, and that's who he is. But then 454 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: the mindset is a little bit, well, got to keep 455 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,239 Speaker 2: him healthy, right, So it's like you got to keep 456 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 2: him healthy, you know. So I think the play calling 457 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 2: and how Cliff Kingsbury handles it kind of a fascinating 458 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 2: thing in your two with Daniels, Like he's we know 459 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: how good he is, But how much of that stuff 460 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 2: do you do the same How much do you think, well, 461 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: got to protect our franchise guy. Now, maybe not call 462 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: some of those things as much. 463 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'll be fun to say, all right, 464 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: do you think this could be a high scoring game, Kevin? 465 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: You know, the Giants generally do not play high scoring games. 466 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: They have not scored many points over the past you know, 467 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: three four years. But I think this could be a 468 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: really fun up and down ball getting thrown down the 469 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: field type of you know, not very typical Giants, you know, 470 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: commanders go back in the day eighties, Giants, Redskins types 471 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: of game. 472 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. I could see that all day long, I really can. 473 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 2: I could see Russell Wilson throwing all the the deep balls, 474 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: you know, getting some time to throw the ball. I think, though, ironically, 475 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: for the Giants, I think their formula might be the opposite. 476 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: I think, you know what you said earlier in this podcast. 477 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: If I'm them, I want to keep James Daniels off 478 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: the field, So I want to get the run game going, 479 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: get the play action that Russell is so good at, 480 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: and I try to limit their possessions on offense. Now 481 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: that goes out the window. Washington scores, you know, two 482 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 2: touchdowns on the first two possessions. I could see them 483 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: air in and out. It could be a really, really 484 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: fun game. But I think for the Giants to win, 485 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: I think the formula is actually the other way around. 486 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: But I'm no coach. We'll see what Davis thinks, John, 487 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: you know, we'll see. But I could see there's a 488 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 2: lot of talent on that. I just it's a fun 489 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: matchup for a week one. It really is. 490 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 491 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: of crunch time football. I'm your match. But if you're 492 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk 493 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: to Citizens. Hey, I can also talk long care. I'd 494 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: like to learn about Amulli routine. Yes, I knew I 495 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: could help makes sense of your money with Citizens. If 496 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: there is a matchup that you see in this game, Kevin, 497 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: where do you see one that could really kind of 498 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: be that full crow match that could tip the game 499 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: one way or the other that you think is very 500 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: important when you look at the two you know rosters 501 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: and how they match up. We know how much of 502 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: the off the the NFL is a is a matchup 503 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: league week to week. 504 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's definitely gonna start with 505 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: the Giants pass rush against their O lion. But I'm 506 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: gonna let me let me think about that for just 507 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: a second and just think about this game. You know, 508 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 2: I do think I'm gonna go. I really am gonna 509 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: go with you know, Washington's run defense against the Giants 510 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: run game. You know, if we're gonna find out about 511 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 2: this Giants offensive line, whether Andrew Thomas plays or not, 512 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 2: Let's see if they could run the ball. Let's see 513 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: what Tracy can do and whoever else they throw in 514 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: there can do against what was their weakness last year. 515 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: I'm trying to exploit that if I'm the Giants and 516 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: see if I get that run game going and using 517 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: you know, Russell Wilson is so good at the play pass. 518 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: I just think that's got big play potential written all 519 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: over it. So that's the matchup. I'm gonna look at 520 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: Tyrone Tracy run game. How does he do against that 521 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 2: Washington line which struggled against the run last year? And yes, 522 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: they've got a couple new pieces on that line, but 523 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: let's see if they can stop it. 524 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: No, I like that. I think that's a really good 525 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: point all right around the league. Make the case, Kevin, 526 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: we haven't seen a repeat winner in the NFC since 527 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: I believe two thousand and four when Andy Reid and 528 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: Donovan McNabb did it for the foot off Fee Eagles. 529 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: Make the case, how do either the Cowboys, Giants or 530 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: Commanders knock the Eagles off that perch this year? Given 531 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: how talented that roster is. 532 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're good. I mean, you know, it's always hard 533 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: to repeat. We know that, right, and a lot of 534 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: it is mental and it's the motivation and guys always 535 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: talk about I think from a talent perspective, their roster 536 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: is completely loaded. Now they're younger. They lost some guys, 537 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 2: some key guys from that defense last year. I would 538 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: say for Philly, the one thing is this depth. Right 539 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: They had depth with their young guys last year, and mean, 540 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: granted a lot of them ended up playing and being 541 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: key contributors. But now because they lost some of those 542 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: veterans on defense because they had to get paid and 543 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 2: they're trying to, you know, structure this window to win 544 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: for a while, they don't have as at least the 545 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 2: proven depth they don't have, So, you know, I think 546 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: for the Eagles, it's can they stay healthy? Number one? 547 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: I think there are They're gonna be what they're gonna be. 548 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: They're gonna run the ball down your throat and when 549 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 2: they need to throw it, Jalen Hurts is pretty damn 550 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: good with two of the best receivers in the league. 551 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: Their defense was so good last year. Will they have 552 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: any growing pains early, especially earlier in the year with 553 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 2: some of the new pieces, some of the younger guys. 554 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 2: But I think right now, with the way the roster 555 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 2: is On paper, they're good, there's no question about it. 556 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: It's how do they handle success? That's what it comes 557 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: down to. That's what Jimmy Johnson always used to talk 558 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: about with the Cowboys, like how do you handle success? 559 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: And that's gonna be fascinating to watch. And obviously their 560 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: schedule is tough, maybe not as tough as the Giants, 561 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: which I still don't understand how they've got like this 562 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: insanely heart so that doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. 563 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 2: But look, man, it's NFC East. As you know, no 564 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: one seems to win the division ever back to back years. 565 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: It never happens, so john nothing would surprise me. And 566 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: I do think it's going to be a really good division. 567 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be close. Like I think 568 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: the Eagles are really good. I don't know, just because 569 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 2: of repeating and because of younger guys, and because of 570 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: how tough their schedule is. I don't know. If they're 571 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: a fourteen win team, I think that might be asking 572 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: a lot. I still think they're a first place team, 573 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: but we'll see. 574 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, the NFC East has the NFC North and 575 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: the AFC West, two of the better divisions in football. 576 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: So I think it could very well kind of shrink 577 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: that margin, right in terms of how good the top 578 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: team is in the division. 579 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's I think where it comes. Right, Let's 580 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: say you need ten wins to win the division instead 581 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: of four team that's a big difference. Yeah, that's a 582 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: big difference. And that's gettable if you get a couple 583 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: of big wins to win a couple of these close games, 584 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 2: which is something the Giants couldn't do last year either. Right, 585 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 2: So that's where I think the tie turns of your 586 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: fan of those other teams and how things can change 587 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 2: the AFC. 588 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: We know it's going to be Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar 589 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: Jackson battling it out right. NFC's wide open, though, what 590 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: team do you think might emerge this year? Is that 591 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: the lines? Again? Is it somebody else that you think 592 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: could make a run in the NFC this year, which 593 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: I think is a little bit more wide open. 594 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: I think it's really good the NFC. You mentioned the 595 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: NFC North is so good. I think the Rams are fantastic. 596 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: If Stafford is healthy. 597 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: You're like the fourth straight person to pick the Rams, 598 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: by the way, I think people are high on them. 599 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: Listen, so I'll give you. I'll give you the quick answer. 600 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: I think if Stafford's healthy, the Rams are exceptional. I 601 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 2: really do. I mean they were the best chance of 602 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: beating the Eagles last year. I'm talking the entire season, 603 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: let alone the playoffs, because they match up well with them. 604 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: I think Detroit's still going to be very good. They 605 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: lost two coordinators, so there's something to prove there. I'll 606 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: say this. I think the biggest question mark is JJ 607 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: McCarthy from Minnesota, right because he didn't throw the ball 608 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: that much of Michigan because it got hurt last year 609 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 2: in camp and he never saw him throw a pass. 610 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 2: But if he can play and if he's good, I 611 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 2: think Minnesota is a problem. Like they are. I love 612 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 2: what they did in the offseason their defense. To me, 613 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 2: they added they got Jonathan Allen, and they got Javon 614 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: Hargrave in the middle. They were so tough with Brian 615 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: Flores last year. They brought in and Mason from the 616 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 2: forty nine ers, who I think is a beast as 617 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: a runner. And now Aaron Jones can be kind of 618 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: like that guy who catches passes and other stuff. I 619 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 2: think I think the and Justin Jefferson was hurt last year. 620 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: I think the Vikings are really good and that's no Look, 621 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 2: they won fourteen games last year, right, But I think 622 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: everyone's just expecting them to fall off the table because 623 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: Darnold left. If McCarthy is good, I think their roster 624 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: is great. I think their coach is as good a 625 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 2: coach as there is in the NFL. I think they 626 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: could be a real problem. So that's my that's my 627 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: alter ego other than the Rams. 628 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: Don't I think the Vikings might have the second most 629 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: talented team in the in the conference other than the 630 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: Philadelphia I'm with. 631 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: You Foster wise, they're good, and I agree we'll. 632 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: See about the quarterback. Our final fun question, you know, 633 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 1: for people that I don't know, Kevin and I go back. 634 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: I produced these shows on I FAM like five oh six, oh. 635 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 2: Seven, the best producer ever. 636 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: Man, Oh please stop, But do you ever look around 637 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: at like Tom Brady, All right, well, there's Derek Jeter, 638 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: there's a Rod, there's David Ortis, and realize these were 639 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: all of like the most important people in s words 640 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: that I talked about every day and now I'm just 641 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: hanging out with these guys on like a daily basis 642 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: is it just like do you ever just like pinch 643 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: yourself and go, my gosh, what's going on here? 644 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 2: It literally makes no sense. Yeah, every of course, Smoky 645 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: every day you know me, well right, like it's I 646 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: don't take it for granted. I love every second of it. 647 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: And it is just so cool to be able to 648 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: be around these guys. And the best part is they're 649 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: all such great teammates and fun to be around. You know, 650 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 2: you see sides of them that you didn't see when 651 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: you're covering athletes and now they're you know, they're regular guys, 652 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: you know, and it's so fun. Like you know, it's like, 653 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: you know, being on that desk with with Baseball Royalty 654 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 2: is unbelievable, and just watching baseball games and yelling at 655 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: the TV together is crazy, you know. And then I'm 656 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 2: in the booth with Tom and you know, I think 657 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: one of the coolest things about him, among many things, 658 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: is you know, we're in the booth and like there's 659 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: a big play and like, you know, we're like high 660 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: fiving because he's like he's such a football fan. He 661 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 2: loves the games so much, so he's like, oh god, 662 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: like here's the greatest player of all time, like screaming 663 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: because it's you know, a screen pass got executed well. 664 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 2: And he's like, like it's so cool, Like it's I 665 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: just think as a fan, and you and I are 666 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: the same. You know, we grew up on the couch, 667 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 2: you know, scream of the TV, and like that's what 668 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: we got into this industry to be next to the 669 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: greatest and great and they all are like us. That's 670 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: what I always tell like my friends, I think that's 671 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 2: the most fun part for me. 672 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: Make sure you shake out Kevin. All the great coverage 673 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 1: of baseball on Fox, and of course he has the 674 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: Call of Giants and Commanders on the first Sunday the 675 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: NFL season coming up. It can't wait for it. Kevin, 676 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: thanks for the time, man, We appreciate it. 677 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 2: Hey, man, can't wait to see you down there. 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