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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bart.

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Speaker 2: Bar and Lazarren.

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that I think really has stood out

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Speaker 3: to me about this whole process now is that they

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Speaker 3: have coaching continuity on both sides of the ball, and

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Speaker 3: we we have archetypes again, like we have prototypes of

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Speaker 3: like this is a Patriots edge rusher, this is a

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Speaker 3: Patriots safety, this is a Patriots linebacker. And I do

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Speaker 3: think that that helps you kind of narrow the list

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Speaker 3: down a little bit in a draft that admittedly is

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Speaker 3: is kind of difficult given where they're picking to narrow

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Speaker 3: the list down.

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Speaker 4: So Zach Korr thought he got better and better.

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Speaker 3: If you want to just look at play calling, game planning,

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Speaker 3: you know, those open drives or a problem for a

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Speaker 3: while that pretty much went away in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Catch twenty two. All right, here we go, Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 5: Alex Barth, apologies gonna delay the snow, still making things

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Speaker 5: tough here back in New England.

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Speaker 4: What would Evan Lazar know about that?

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Speaker 5: He's all the way out in Indianapolis for the Combine

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Speaker 5: for today's.

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Speaker 3: Episode of College because of you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, my snow situation was not great.

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Speaker 5: I thought I had dug my car out and turns

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Speaker 5: out not quite.

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Speaker 4: The plaus will get you so, but we're here, We're

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Speaker 4: gonna do the show.

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Speaker 5: I think we can still give you the two hours

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Speaker 5: because we have nobody coming up after us. To appreciate

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Speaker 5: everybody hanging out being patient again. It's Alex Barth Evan

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Speaker 5: Lazar Patriots Catch twenty two, one of the bigger episodes

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Speaker 5: we do every year. Obviously with the Combine, this is

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Speaker 5: the week the off season really comes into focus.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to join us.

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Speaker 5: Eight five five PATS five hundred is the phone number

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Speaker 5: you can email US podcasts at Patriots dot com as

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Speaker 5: well having how's Indy.

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Speaker 3: And he's good and he's good. It misses you, though, Barthy,

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Speaker 3: it does. We miss you out here.

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Speaker 5: But bought I almost bought a bottle the Saint Almo's

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Speaker 5: Cocktail Sauce the other day in the storage, just to

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Speaker 5: to take part in the experience.

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Speaker 3: I've had enough Saint Elmo's Cocktail sauce to last me

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Speaker 3: another year. I can tell you that, right now you know,

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Speaker 3: you get it, you get your fix, and then it's

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Speaker 3: kind of like, all right, i'll see you next year, but.

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Speaker 4: I'll eat it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it. We'll kick it's it's good. It's good.

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Speaker 3: It gets your it gets your sinuses cleared out, that's

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Speaker 3: for sure. But no, everything here has been been good,

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Speaker 3: you know. I I keep although it's been a couple

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Speaker 3: of years of this now, I still feel like it's

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Speaker 3: different about how much we get to talk to the

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Speaker 3: Patriots decision makers now, Like used to come to the

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Speaker 3: combine and it was like all like you had to

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Speaker 3: take all your takeaways from the podiums and the players

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Speaker 3: and the prospects and all that kind of stuff. And

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Speaker 3: we just spent about an hour with Mike Rabel. We

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Speaker 3: spent an hour yesterday with Elliott Wolf. So although they

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Speaker 3: didn't divulge you any state secrets, really I do feel

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Speaker 3: like we have at least some sort of a path

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's where I want to start, Evan. I mean,

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Speaker 5: got that from Wolf and verbel really at a number

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Speaker 5: of positions, a couple of key positions, but before that,

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Speaker 5: just the big picture. I thought Elliott Wolf specifically yesterday

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Speaker 5: think the big question we're one of the big questions

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Speaker 5: fans are debating about this team coming off of the

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Speaker 5: season and coming off of the Super Bowl is how

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Speaker 5: much do you You know, you don't want to overreact

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Speaker 5: So Wolf was asked directly, are the Patriots in a rebuild?

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Speaker 5: And he said no, which I believe is a correct answer,

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Speaker 5: it's it's not easy to say, Okay, you have to

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Speaker 5: and I think that's a really good way to put it.

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Speaker 5: We're still building, but it's not a rebuild and they're

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Speaker 5: not going to tear down and start over.

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Speaker 4: They have a core they believe in.

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Speaker 5: But they need to continue to put pieces on top

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Speaker 5: of that. So I to me, Wolf and Vreebel talked

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Speaker 5: Like that's the exact tone I wanted him to take.

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Speaker 4: And so I really liked.

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Speaker 5: What he had to say yesterday personally about that big

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think one of the things that stood

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Speaker 3: I can't remember which press conference it was in, honestly,

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Speaker 3: but it does make them a little bit more of

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Speaker 3: the sense that does a high priced, you know, big

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Speaker 3: for his former coach and reunite with Mike Rabel, Does

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby say that right? And you couldn't say that

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Speaker 3: at this point last year. At this point last year,

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Speaker 3: I think that that could change it, not necessarily even

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it it again. They're they're building towards something.

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Speaker 5: So I'm curious from you, like the buzz out there

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Speaker 5: But like, yah, does this kind of feel like it's

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Speaker 5: I remember last year, but he was talking up like this,

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Speaker 5: and obviously some guys end up getting tagged. But what

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Speaker 3: I think it's the same what you just said, Like,

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Speaker 3: So that was something that I think that has stood

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, I don't And we talked about this,

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Speaker 5: I think a little bit last week in terms of

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Speaker 5: gonna spend like they did last year?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. Do they need to to have

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 5: They added like what, eight starters last year in free agency?

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Speaker 5: Nine starters. That's not If you're doing that every year,

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Speaker 5: that's not sustainable. It all comes back to the draft.

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Speaker 5: And I'll say this to Blue in the face. You

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Speaker 5: Free agency can give you, you know.

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Speaker 4: A a bump. It can give you a bump for

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Speaker 4: a year, maybe two, but you have to draft. Well.

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Speaker 5: But like that being said, you know, can they add

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Speaker 5: they don't need to make I don't even know if

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Speaker 4: Out there this year.

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Speaker 5: Maybe Trey Hendrickson, but he's that's older.

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Speaker 5: not a need. Devin Lloyd does not play premium good

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Speaker 5: corner Jamal Dean, Kenneth Walker. No, and like these guys

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Speaker 5: aren't making the impact Milt Williams is, So, you know,

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Speaker 5: There was a lot of talk about Edge the last

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Speaker 5: of where I'm looking at for free agency. And based

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Speaker 5: off what they said. Vrabel had the comment today about

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Speaker 5: shopping you know Wolf again. Yes, they talked about we

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's an unrealistic expectation.

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Speaker 3: No, And I think the positions that we're talking about,

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Speaker 3: that we've been talking about on this show and now

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Speaker 3: a lot of shows are talking about, are all the

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Speaker 3: positions they're kind of looking at. You know. Rabel was

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Speaker 3: less specific, I would say, in terms of needs of

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Speaker 3: build depth throughout the entire roster and build competition. Wolf

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Speaker 3: kind of got a little bit more specific on positions,

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Speaker 3: you know, he talked about offensive line continuing to reinforce

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Speaker 3: that edge rusher, and then he kind of grouped playmakers together,

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Speaker 3: one sort of bucket. He mentioned linebackers a little bit

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Speaker 3: off ball linebackers. But I think that those first three

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Speaker 3: but they're pretty zeroed in on, I think, on those

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that, you know, but that could

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Speaker 3: Right, So I think they're they're like, first priority is

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Speaker 3: This is different. This is a different defense, it's a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, his whole family's are names and his mom wanted

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Speaker 4: I just think that's awesome like that, that's just dead rules.

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Speaker 3: There's gonna there's gonna be a flaw in these guys, right,

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Speaker 3: popped up off the field with him in terms of

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00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 3: just like getting into fights and things like that, and

438
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 3: I just Dane seemed like, you know, nobody better at

439
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 3: vetting that stuff for the Beast than Dane, and Dane

440
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,439
Speaker 3: seemed to kind of downplay it, and he's felt like

441
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 3: that that was all gonna check out. So if that

442
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 3: does check out, you know for teams. And I think

443
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 3: that he's right in that conversation. Now I look at

444
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 3: him as more well two things. One, I think he's

445
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 3: a little bit raw. I think he's kind of like

446
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 3: a projection of a ceiling type of player that projects

447
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 3: are really high, and when you're picking thirty one, maybe

448
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 3: you take that chance. And the other thing is is

449
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 3: I kind of look at him as like a true

450
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 3: five tech, hand in the dirt kind of guy. At

451
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 3: least that's what he did in college. Like maybe he's

452
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 3: up in a two point stance, or he's in that

453
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 3: nine technique that the Patriots like to use outside the tackle.

454
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 3: Maybe that comes and that might actually make him a

455
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 3: better player, honestly, But in college, he was definitely playing

456
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: more like head up over the tackle or just shaded

457
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 3: outside of the tackle, and then maybe even some three

458
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 3: technique on third down, you know, be inside. So it

459
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 3: was more of that kind of guy than he was

460
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 3: like kind of like a key on white, yeah, than

461
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 3: a guy that was like playing out in space.

462
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna give you one more too that that

463
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 5: I think might jump up after this week. And you know,

464
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 5: maybe he doesn't get all the way to the thirty

465
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 5: one conversation, but if they trade back a little bit,

466
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 5: and maybe he's more, like you said, TJ. Parker, that

467
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 5: bigger outside linebacker. I think he's moreked From what I

468
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 5: read people writing about him and me watching him, I

469
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 5: think he's more explosive than people are getting him credit for.

470
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 4: Maybe that's just me.

471
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 5: I think he plays with a ton of violence, and

472
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 5: that's Gabe acis from Illinois. He he you know, I

473
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 5: know you talked about the speed thing, they've been using

474
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 5: that word violence here for over a year now.

475
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 4: And he beats the crap out of people.

476
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 5: Like plain and simple, like within the confines of the game,

477
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 5: he beats the crap out of people. I'm a big fan,

478
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 5: h I don't he might end up being a tweener

479
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 5: player for them, and that you're gonna have better options

480
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,719
Speaker 5: at thirty one and there's no way he's making it

481
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 5: to sixty three, sixty two, sixty three, whatever it is.

482
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I like him.

483
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 5: I see people saying he's not he could be more explosive.

484
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 5: I think he's pretty explosive personally.

485
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't watched that him yet. You're gonna have

486
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: to add that one to my list. But yeah, I

487
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: this whole class I just think kind of comes down

488
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: to it's all different types of players and all different

489
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: flavors of players. And then when is the run? You know,

490
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 3: we talk about this a lot with the draft of

491
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 3: like when is that run on day two? Where now

492
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you watch the prey go by

493
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 3: and you miss the run, you know, And that's happened

494
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: to the Patriots. I know, maybe not with Rabel, but

495
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 3: I would say in twenty twenty four, that kind of

496
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 3: happened with them at tackle where they sort of missed

497
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 3: the run, and then they end up with Caden Wallace

498
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 3: in the third round and we see how that went.

499
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: So I think that's gonna be a big part of

500
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: the edge rusher stuff. But there's a couple of other

501
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 3: positions that I wanted to hit on, and then there's

502
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 3: one more thing from Vrabel. But if we want to

503
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 3: stick with the draft, I wanted to get your take

504
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 3: on this, Alex, because one of the things that I've

505
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: heard from, like all the people that we have talked

506
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: to here on at our table, you know, Jordan Reed

507
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 3: and Dame Brugler and all these guys that know a

508
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 3: lot more about the draft than I do. I think

509
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: that this is there a chance that this wide receiver

510
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: class is getting undersold a little bit or like under

511
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: the ablem because there's a lot of people that I

512
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 3: think are really high on this group of wide receivers.

513
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, maybe a little bit.

514
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 5: It's definitely not what it's been the last few years,

515
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 5: so it's definitely a step back. But remember we had

516
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 5: those like three or four classes where everybody's like, you

517
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 5: can't keep saying this wide receiver class is legendary when

518
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 5: they're all really good, because then they're all blah blah buth.

519
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 4: That's what it is like.

520
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 5: It's I'd say it's a step back from the last

521
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 5: few years, but I still think it's good.

522
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 4: It's a lot more boom or bust.

523
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 5: I think guys like Jordan Tyson, Casey conception on Omar Cooper,

524
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 5: Chris Chris Bell, especially with the injury Chris Brazzle like

525
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 5: tremendous ceiling, tremendous ceiling on all those players.

526
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 4: I don't know that they.

527
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 5: Have the floor of some of the first round pop

528
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 5: prospects the top years. I'll even say I I don't

529
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 5: did I mention they're not like Jordan Tyson. I guess

530
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 5: there's some injury questions with him, so as much as

531
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 5: I like him, with the player as a player, I.

532
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 4: Maybe not under sould definitely misinterpreted.

533
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know about underrated, because I do

534
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 5: think there's some real bust potential from a lot of

535
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 5: these players compared to the guys we've talked about in

536
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 5: those spots the last few years. But like, if they hit,

537
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 5: they're going to be tremendous hits. If that may I

538
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 5: don't even know if that makes sense, Like if that

539
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 5: makes sense, that that's how I.

540
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: Hear what you're saying. I guess maybe the it's not

541
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: so much the top end talent because I don't think

542
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: that there's you know, necessarily a Molik Neighbors or Marvin

543
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 3: Harrison Junior or that kind of prospect in this draft.

544
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 3: But I do think that they're you know, the more

545
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: that I talked to people, like I said, that know

546
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: way more about the draft than I do at this point. Uh,

547
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 3: they they talked a lot about the depth.

548
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 5: It's a really good day too. So I think Day

549
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 5: three is thinner than it's been. I think the first

550
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 5: round is thinner than it's been. The Day two group

551
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 5: is excellent. And that gets back to the point where

552
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 5: there's guys that have first round potential, but there's ifs

553
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 5: with them more so than usual.

554
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a couple of guys you know that, Like

555
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: we haven't mentioned a Branch a lot from Georgia because

556
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: he's kind of like a Pop Douglas type plaything.

557
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 8: You know.

558
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 5: Today like thirty percent of his targets came on screens,

559
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 5: or thirty percent of the rats he ran.

560
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. Yeah, yeah, I believe that. But

561
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 3: you know, obviously his we're here at the combine, so

562
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 3: guys that can move like that are the guys that

563
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 3: we're talking about, right, you know, And he's definitely on

564
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 3: that list, a guy that most people expect to run

565
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: really fast. I haven't watched this guy yet, but I've

566
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: heard a lot of buzz about Ted Hurst from Georgia State. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

567
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 3: a lot of people talking about him too.

568
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 5: The guy I want to ask you about, Well, so

569
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 5: I want to ask you about Chris Brasel because we

570
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 5: need to talk about that.

571
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 4: But we'll do that in a minute.

572
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta I gotta tell Elder that I'm sorry.

573
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 5: Have have you watched Chris Bell? And and where are

574
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 5: you at with Chris Bell? And you know, I'm sure

575
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 5: it's the combine. The teams will get the medical updates.

576
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: We'll see if we.

577
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 4: Get anything reported.

578
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 5: For those who know, Chris Bell was on track to

579
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 5: be a first round pick and out of Louisville. Looks

580
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 5: like the guy that that me and you have talked

581
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 5: about the Patriots adding for a while, like an explosive X,

582
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 5: a guy an X that that can run, you know,

583
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 5: in the four threes, but actually has some play strength

584
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 5: and some power, not Taekwon Thornton, a guy that can

585
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 5: go up and make plays on the football. Was on

586
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: track to be that guy be a first round pick

587
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 5: towards the ACL in December, so not October December. He's

588
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 5: not gonna be ready for camp or would be astonishing,

589
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 5: I should say, if he's ready for camp, I don't know.

590
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 4: Definitively, but put a tremendous talent.

591
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 5: I don't know that the Patriots are in a position

592
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 5: to take a guy like that at that position. I

593
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 5: think you want a guy that's gonna, you know, be

594
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 5: part of his first camp and be ready and all that.

595
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 5: But like I was ready for Chris Bell to be

596
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 5: my guy and stand on the table for Chris Bell

597
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 5: before the injury. So I don't know if you've watched

598
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 5: him at all, but like he it's even though he's

599
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 5: not participating, I think it's a big week for him

600
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 5: to get those medicals.

601
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that it terrifies me, frankly for

602
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: them to take somebody that has that kind of injury.

603
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: Not because like listen, guys bounced back from ACLS all

604
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: that we just watched theefon Diggs have a thousand yards

605
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: bouncing back from an Aco.

606
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a proven thousand yard receiver, right.

607
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: That's That's the point I'm trying to get at, is like,

608
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: how how far behind the eight ball is Chris Bell

609
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: going to be? Even if you project that he's gonna

610
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: be a great player, Like, he's not gonna have any

611
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: rookie season, He's not gonna have a rookie mini camp,

612
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: a rookie training camp. He's gonna be very behind the

613
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: eight ball. And so that that I think would it's

614
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: not a situation where he's gonna be able to even

615
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: play next year, even if he was healthy, I would think,

616
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: because he's not gonna have any like base knowledge of

617
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: what they're doing.

618
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 5: He's not gonna get on the field, not gonna get

619
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 5: to work with the quarterback, not going to get to

620
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 5: run through the offense.

621
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: Right, But he's an interest. It's like, we're really yeah. Yeah.

622
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: I liked what I saw in terms of, you know,

623
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: some of the size and the ability to win the

624
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 3: ball down the field, which I think is something that

625
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: they have to start prioritizing. But I did worry a

626
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: little bit about the separation with him at times, and

627
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: then you add the ACL in there, and now you're like,

628
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: is he going to really have like that short area

629
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: of quickness, that ability to beat press? You know, like

630
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: that sort of thing would concern me with the guy

631
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: coming off in ACL. We do need to talk about

632
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: Chris bra.

633
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 5: So, Okay, I and I think we both maybe misspoke

634
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 5: a little bit last week.

635
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: So I gotta I gotta do a man coupla. Though

636
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: I got it, Biggie was right.

637
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: You can't deny that partially Chris is right.

638
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: He was right.

639
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 5: He's the ex Tennessee and that comes with you know,

640
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 5: we we've been through Jalen Hyatt, We've been through who's

641
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 5: the other one?

642
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 4: The other guys. There's like three guys that are all

643
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 4: very similar.

644
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: Dante Thornton, Tennessee guy, Jayleen, Josh Palmer. Not a great

645
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: track record now, look not great.

646
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 5: He fit he and he fit. They recruited him for

647
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 5: a reason because he fits that role. He does have

648
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 5: he when you watch him in Tulane's offense, you see more.

649
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 4: Look, he's still a like lanky speed guy.

650
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 5: I think as far as lanky speed guys go, he

651
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 5: does better drop at competing for the football. I'm not

652
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 5: as out on him as I first thought he'd be,

653
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 5: but I he's still.

654
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: In that prototype.

655
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 5: I think he's a better prospect than any of those

656
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 5: guys have been that we just named. I definitely like

657
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 5: him better than Hyatt, than Tillman, than most of those guys.

658
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 5: But I still think he's in that prototype. Now that

659
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 5: prototype maybe with the Patriots are looking for. So there's that, Like,

660
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 5: he he's somebody we do definitely need to talk about.

661
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: But he's he's an interesting study. He's a fun watch.

662
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: I would say my only concern. Look, all these guys

663
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: have bust potential, so I'm not saying it's like the

664
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: only thing that reason why he would fail. But I

665
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: guess my biggest concern with him is obviously the translation

666
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: of the Tennessee offense into the pros. Now, him being

667
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: a transfer is maybe helping him a little bit late.

668
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 5: Not to put you on the spot, how much of

669
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 5: any of him at Tulane did you watch?

670
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? Not not enough yet, and so maybe I need

671
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: to go back to Tulane and watch that a little

672
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: bit more. Because the skill set that I saw at Tennessee,

673
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: uh really impressed me a lot. Like to the point

674
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: where I would like say that this is kind of

675
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: my wide receiver in this class because it's twofold, Like

676
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: one of it is about Drake May and the way

677
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: that they're going to build this offense moving forward, and

678
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: some of it's about Brazzle himself. But I just look

679
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: at a guy that's six foot five that moves that

680
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: well at that size and catches the ball that well

681
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: down the field like that. That's a rare sort of

682
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: holy trinity there.

683
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 5: So that the key thing, sorry, the last thing you said,

684
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 5: because it's fast and season right fast, and if I were, yes,

685
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 5: if you're trying to sell me on Chris Brasel, fast and.

686
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: Sentence contested catchability there, you can cattegrate the difference, you know,

687
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: like yeah, Like so his six foot five frame allows

688
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: him not only to go up and win the ball vertically,

689
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: you know, jump balls, but he also uses it really

690
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: well going over the middle of the field. And there's

691
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: a couple of plays I put him up on Twitter

692
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: where like the quarterback threw the ball a little bit

693
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: behind him, are a little bit high, and he's able

694
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: to make those adjustments and make those catches because of

695
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: his catch radius. So I actually don't even think you

696
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: know his speed is good. I'm actually really interested to

697
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: see what he runs here this week. But I think

698
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: that his speed is more like long striding speed where

699
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: he's kind of because he's six with five, he's kind

700
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: of stumping up to it, right. He's just really once

701
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: he starts to build speed on the vertical plane, he

702
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: gets really up to that top speed, then he can

703
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: really fly. I was impressive with his press releases. It

704
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: wasn't a ton of exposure to that at Tennessee, but

705
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: the little bit of limited sample size that we have

706
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: was really impressive. I think that the guy that comes

707
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: to mind, and I've heard a lot of Christian Watson

708
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: comps with him, but I think Christian Watson's different. I think,

709
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: to me, Christian Watson was like smoother as an athlete. Yeah,

710
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: like Christian Watson coming out of college. Remember he would

711
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: like play running back snaps and stuff like that at

712
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: at North Dakota State. Like he was doing. Yeah, like

713
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: he was he was. He's a loose mover like that

714
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: guy has different sort of flexibility to his his frame

715
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: and his body. The guy that I thought of when

716
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: I watched Chris Brazle and again this is ceiling ceiling ceiling,

717
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: like we always say this time of year. T Higgins

718
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: was the guy that came to mind to me, I

719
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 3: think he I think he doesn't now, but if if

720
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: you went back and like kind of looked at T

721
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: Higgins back in college before his frame kind of built

722
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: up and filled out, I think that's the type of

723
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 3: guy that I I think that he could be. Uh

724
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 3: And you know, you it's funny that you mentioned play

725
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: strength because I got something from Vrabel.

726
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: That but reminds me a little bit of Brian Thomas.

727
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that too. I could see that

728
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: one too. You know, some of the things that he

729
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: did against Georgia on that tape against Georgia, and he

730
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: because he's probably gonna get drafted in like the fifty,

731
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: maybe super high, strictly off the fact that he went

732
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: for one hundred and seventy seven yards and three touchdowns

733
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: against Troy, right like that, When you do that against

734
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: that level of competition, it's gonna really stand out. But

735
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: some of the things that he was doing, you know,

736
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: winning jump balls down the field, the separation ability, I

737
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: was like, you know, this guy, this guy's really got it.

738
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: So I want to give Biggie big Aldred his his

739
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: props because we teased them a little bit for it.

740
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 3: We got on them for the fastand thing and the

741
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: Tennessee wide receiver thing. And this guy is definitely somebody

742
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: that when he tired talking about like a Drake may

743
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: prototype at wide receiver, this is sort of what you're

744
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: talking about, right, A guy that can really win a

745
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: vertical speed and then he's got the six foot five ability.

746
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, you know, a souped up Mac Collins. Yeah,

747
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: which is what I think they kind of need to

748
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 3: go for. Is somebody that's got a little bit more

749
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: explosiveness and ceiling than Matt Collins, but is in a

750
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: similar frame to Mac Collins.

751
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 4: What was the thing about play strength?

752
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so one of the interesting things I asked Rabel

753
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: at the end of our interview I'm sure will be

754
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: posted soon our me and du sat down with him,

755
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: so our Patriots dot Com interview with him. No, that

756
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: was that was that was off off the interview, but

757
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: I can I think I can share that in the second.

758
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: But the the question that I asked him was about

759
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: the offense from the regular season to the playoffs and

760
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: sort of what was his take about why the offense

761
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: wasn't quite as successful in the playoffs as it was

762
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: in the regular season. And the answer that he gave me,

763
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: I thought was really interesting because he said that we

764
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: need to lift. And I thought that he meant metaphorically

765
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: at forst like we need to like elevate our talent,

766
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: like elevate our play in the playoffs. He meant literally,

767
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: like he literally thinks that as an offense, that they

768
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: need to get stronger and they need to get more physical,

769
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: and they need to He's told his story. It was

770
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 3: a really good story, so people should really check it out.

771
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: He told a really good story about Brady Tom Brady

772
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: at the beginning part of Tom Brady's career, and he

773
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: said that everybody talks about the TB twelve method and

774
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: all that that sort of happened he said around six

775
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: oh seven, But he said that early on in Brady's career,

776
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: like one to oh two, Brady was like lifting with

777
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: like the defensive and offensive lineman. Like he was doing

778
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: like cleans and squats and like you know, all like

779
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: really like building up his his natural play strength is power,

780
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: you know, like his his strength literally and uh, and

781
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: he was kept saying, you know, he really said that

782
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: that's like what he's looking for. And it wasn't just

783
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: about Drake May specifically. I think it was about the

784
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: whole offense. But I just look at you know that

785
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: in terms of Will Campbell, Jared Wilson, Drake May. But

786
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 3: I think also in a general sense, I wouldn't be

787
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: surprised if they are looking and targeting offensive players. That

788
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: play strength is something that they are checking off, right,

789
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 3: And we've talked about this offensive line being a little

790
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: bit more finesse, you know, they they just they just

791
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: have a little bit more of a finesse a group,

792
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: a little bit more of an athletic group versus a

793
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 3: powerful group. And so I wonder if they are going

794
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: to look at trying to add a left guard or

795
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: somebody that's going to start for them next year, Like

796
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: I would imagine it's going to be somebody that they

797
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: feel like is going to bring some of that, you know,

798
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 3: some of that play strengths, some nastiness, run blocking ability.

799
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: I think that that's going to be a priority, but

800
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 3: also play strength. You also talk you know, anchor, you know,

801
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 3: being able to absorb power, you know, and pass rushers

802
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: and things like that too, So I thought that that

803
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: was fascinating and him talking, you know, he was kind

804
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: of like saying, like we always talk about the pliability

805
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: and the diet and all that stuff that Brady did

806
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: to sustain and and play into his forties, but he

807
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: said that he really transformed transformed his body, uh in

808
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: the weight room right before he even got to that point. Yeah.

809
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 5: Interesting, I mean that, look, I I we've both kind

810
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 5: of talked about them one to A had a garden

811
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 5: in free agency. But Emmanuel Pregnant from Oregon pops right

812
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 5: in my mind. When you talk about the violence, the nastiness,

813
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 5: all of that. I love, you know, you know me,

814
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 5: I'm I'm in on bully ball. And that kind of

815
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 5: goes along the lines of what Ellie Wolf said about

816
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 5: running back that you know, guys that can can hit

817
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 5: the whole force and that kind of thing. And you know,

818
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 5: we didn't really talk much about the release of Antonio Gibson.

819
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 5: That they do still have land Larson, they have Elijah

820
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 5: Mitchell on a on a future's deal, so those guys

821
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 5: will compete Drell Jennings. But you need a third back.

822
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 5: We saw it this year. You need a third back.

823
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 5: That you're comfortable turning to. And it's in the draft,

824
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 5: whether it's in free agency, that's a need now. And

825
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 5: so I know we've talked about them maybe getting the

826
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 5: speed guy or the pass catching guys encounter to what

827
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 5: they have I throughout Desmond Reid last week, and they

828
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 5: might look for another bully. You know, they might look

829
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 5: for a guy who's gonna gonna lower his helmet and

830
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 5: hit somebody back when he's carrying the football.

831
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they just felt, like you know, Rabel

832
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 3: clearly did based off of that answer. I think he

833
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: just felt like they kind of got bullied by Seattle

834
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: and all the fronts that they played. And I think

835
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: that that's valid. Like I think he's that we all

836
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: saw that, right. I mean how many times did we

837
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: talk about Will Campbell and Jared Wilson and their anchor

838
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: and their you know ability to absorb power and you

839
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: know them getting pushed back into the quarterback and like

840
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. You know, he said it.

841
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: You know, the Drake may is twenty three, Will Campbell's

842
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 3: twenty two. Like those guys are going to get bigger

843
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: and stronger, and uh, now they just got to go

844
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: out there and do it. But I think this offseason offensively,

845
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: you know, I think that that's going to be a

846
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: real focus. And I wonder too, you know, talking about receivers,

847
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 3: because we were talking about some of these bigger guys,

848
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: which was what made me think of it, Like I

849
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: love the small, shifty, quick guys, you know, you know that,

850
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: Like I had those A Flowers and things like that.

851
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: You know, I think Casey CONCEPSI owns that guy. I

852
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: think Omark Cooper Junior is in that prototype. I love

853
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: all those types of players, but that doesn't necessarily fit

854
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: that sort of mentality. And then I would also say

855
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 3: at tight end, like when we go back to the

856
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 3: blocking thing, like I think they already need a guy

857
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: that can block a little bit better, just based off

858
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: of what they put out there on film last year,

859
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: and now if they really are trying to focus on

860
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: being a more physical upfront, like that also points to

861
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 3: you know, okay, well now maybe they really need to

862
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 3: start thinking about guys that can block at the tight

863
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: end position versus just catching passes.

864
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 5: So I want to get into that in a minute.

865
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 5: We have some emails on that one other position that

866
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 5: Wolf talked about that I think is really being understated

867
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 5: as a need is safety, especially if Jalen Hawkins doesn't

868
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 5: come back. And Wolfe's comments kind of made it like

869
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 5: he wolf said they wanted back, but also like he's

870
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 5: going to go test the market.

871
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 4: So he's twenty nine years old, he's coming off a

872
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 4: career year.

873
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 5: It's his last chance, probably his last chance to really

874
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 5: cash in. So we'll see what happens there. And this

875
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 5: is another one. You talked about it with the edge rushers,

876
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 5: that it's different than what we were used to with Bill.

877
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 4: You know that old defense. It was two very defined roles.

878
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 5: It was the free safety in the strong safety, the

879
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 5: deep safety in the box safety. It was Devin mccordy

880
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 5: and it was Patrick Chung and it was always kind

881
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 5: of you that way. Wolf gets asked what he wants

882
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 5: from safeties, he says, the safety position.

883
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 4: They have to be able to do everything.

884
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 5: They have to be able to play down in the box,

885
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 5: man cover, tackling space. Having guys that are interchangeable just

886
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 5: kind of opens up a lot of different things for

887
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 5: the defense that Zach Korn Terrell Williams can employee goes

888
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 5: on to talk about communication pre snap also being important,

889
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 5: but says on the field's athleticism, it's to change a direction,

890
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 5: the speed and range, the anticipation. So it's not okay,

891
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 5: you're free safety or box safety. And look, Craig Woodson

892
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 5: fits into this, so it makes sense, you know, looking

893
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 5: for the well rounded guys. I do think this is

894
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 5: a good safety class. I think they're gonna have an

895
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 5: opportunity to add both in free agency and the draft.

896
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 5: I think it's a good class. But that's another one

897
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 5: where to go back to your quote. We had to

898
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 5: open the show about prototypes. It is kind of adjusting

899
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 5: the vision of what they're building.

900
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think one of the things I wrote

901
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 3: about in my Combine preview outs is the Dylan Dynaman

902
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 3: and McNeil Warren from Toledo, right, like two very first

903
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: round kind of guys that are very very different types

904
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: of players and which type in terms of body type,

905
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: in terms of skill set, are they going to gravitate

906
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: towards like McNeil Warren. I think is gonna be like

907
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: kind of a Nick Ammon Worry, Like he's gonna be

908
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: a big slot, you know, play in the box hybrid

909
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: player that plays closer to the line of scrimmage. Dyl

910
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: is definitely more of that like deep safety, So so

911
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: I think.

912
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 5: I mean that's I don't know, since better in the box,

913
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 5: I would think, so he's more of the guy that

914
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 5: would make sense.

915
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I guess, yeah, that's true. And

916
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: then I think the other thing that you know, I

917
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: was sort of thinking about was they played a lot

918
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: of three corner nickel this past year with Marcus Jones

919
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 3: in the slide and Marcus Jones a great player. Nobody's

920
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: trying to replace or do anything with Marcus Jones. But

921
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: one of the things that some people were concerned about,

922
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 3: and we kind of poo pooed it during the regular

923
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: season when they were winning all those games, was their

924
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: ability to stop the run out of nickel defense and

925
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 3: not having an option of having like a bigger safety

926
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: nickel safety, like a Nick Gammon Warry type that would

927
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: be able to play there and kind of make a

928
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 3: big nickel package out of right where they have three

929
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: safeties on the field and one of them is kind

930
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: of like one of those hybrid types of players. I

931
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: don't know if there's necessarily that role for that in

932
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: this defense, which is what I'm sort of interested in

933
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: but they played all this quarters coverage last year, and

934
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 3: they play they had Marcus Jones playing a lot of

935
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: you know, so are like hook and you know, flat

936
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: corner type of roles in that quarters which also puts

937
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: a lot of emphasis on stopping the run and filling

938
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: the alleys and that sort of thing. And I get

939
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 3: it's one game. We don't want to overreact. But then

940
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: they get to the Super Bowl and where did Kenneth

941
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: Walker kill them off the edges?

942
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 9: Right?

943
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 3: I was outside runs, bouncing runs, you know, hitting the edge,

944
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 3: And so I just wonder, you know, when they look

945
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: at safety, if they do have to move on from

946
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: Jalen Hawkins and and try to target one in the draft,

947
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: you know, do they start to think about guys that

948
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: can be more of like hybrids or is that completely gone?

949
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: Like are we are?

950
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: We?

951
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: Is that a Belichick thing? And we've we totally moved

952
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: past that because you know, Hawkins and Woods and I

953
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 3: would say were more interchangeable up top than they were

954
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: in terms of being able to play down closer to

955
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage.

956
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 5: I'll just say it again too, like even if they

957
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 5: keep Hawkins, you know, all right, you run some five

958
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 5: defensive back sets with Marcus Jones. But maybe there's matchups

959
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 5: where you'd rather have five defensive back sets with the safety.

960
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 4: You know, maybe there's some I w'll talk about.

961
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: Draft getting into more more dime stuff too. Yeah, Like

962
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: that's the thing that I've been killing pounding the table

963
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: for is you know, be more flexible and more multiple

964
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: by playing more six defensive backs. And they did that

965
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: a little bit, I would say, down the stretch with

966
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 3: del Pettis, but like in no offensive del penals, you

967
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 3: can agree maybe that player that's a little bit better.

968
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 5: That's even where you know, those coverage linebackers come in,

969
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 5: whether it's it's Kyle Lewis or Lander Barton or you know,

970
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 5: if they really want to invest. I mean there was

971
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 5: something today about CJ. Allen or like he was calling

972
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 5: the George defense, which is insane. Yeah, but no, I

973
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 5: think they need more depth of safety anyway, Like I

974
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 5: did you watch aj Halsey yet.

975
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: No, I gotta get to all the rest of the safeties.

976
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 3: But the other one that I was gonna just say

977
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: with that too is you know, Elliott Wolf did throw

978
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 3: in there that they would like to draft a linebacker

979
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 3: at some point and I think that it was more Blaine.

980
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: We have Christian Ellis. Like, I don't necessarily look at

981
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: it as they're going to draft one in the first

982
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: round necessarily based off what he said. But I do

983
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: think they want to add a younger player to that

984
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: room behind Splaine, behind Ellis, maybe even thinking about Splaine

985
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: is what thirty yeah, thirty one at this point, I

986
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 3: maybe could think about about that too.

987
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 5: They can find a guy too that's more for like

988
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 5: a third down specialist that they could play with Splaine

989
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 5: or even with Ellis. He takes splayne off the field

990
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 5: on third downs, And because we saw teams hunt them

991
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 5: and coverage last year. And if you get a coverage

992
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 5: linebacker and you put him next to Ellis, I mean,

993
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 5: now you're you probably don't want to do that on

994
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 5: like third and two where they can run the ball,

995
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 5: but on third and ten that that wouldn't be a

996
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 5: bad package about that. I don't know ho much they

997
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 5: want to explain off the field, but it is I

998
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 5: don't know how many linebackers you've watched. It is a

999
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 5: really this is one of the bet What was that

1000
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 5: one year where we were like drooling over the linebacker

1001
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 5: class and they really needed one, and we were like, well,

1002
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 5: they're gonna get someone, it's just a matter of where.

1003
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 4: And they didn't take any I.

1004
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 5: Think that was oddly enough. I think there was a

1005
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 5: Chad Muma year who ended up here.

1006
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 3: Sounds right, but I feel like I was a big

1007
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 3: I believed in Chad Muma.

1008
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 5: I feel like since then we really haven't had a

1009
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 5: good linebacker class. Hang, I'm trying to figure out what

1010
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 5: year that was. It wasn't a.

1011
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 4: Twenty one, Yeah, it was twenty two. It was Devin Lloyd, Devin.

1012
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 5: Lloyd, Nakobe, Dean kway Walker, Chad Muma, Christian Harris, Leoshanal

1013
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 5: Troy Anderson, Channing Tyndall.

1014
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: I thought Nick what's his name on the Chiefs, who

1015
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 4: we really liked, was in this class too. I guess not.

1016
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 5: Bolton, No, but this was It was a good, good class.

1017
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 5: Nate Landman is hung around. I liked him anyway. I

1018
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 5: feel like two guys.

1019
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 3: We heard from today were C. J. Allen and Anthony

1020
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 3: Hill Junior from Texas. We heard from all of them,

1021
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 3: but those two guys were the ones that people were

1022
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: kind of talking about more. His first round type prospects. Uh,

1023
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 3: you know, what I saw with Allan, I thought, I

1024
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: think they're kind of different. Honestly, Like I saw Hill

1025
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: as more of a playmaker Alan I when I watched him,

1026
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: like at first, I was like, this guy's the first round.

1027
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: You have to kind of really dig deep with him

1028
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: to sort of understand this. Where his uh was CJ.

1029
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: Allen from Georgia. Uh, I felt like, you know, he

1030
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: was more of like a dirty work kind of player.

1031
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: You know, that was like plugging gaps and you know,

1032
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: filling the run and then you know you start to

1033
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: see a little bit more playmaking there. But I think

1034
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: that he was kind of more, you know, honestly, like

1035
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 3: a Robert Splain type, right, that's just going to come

1036
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: in and and just kind of fill role, do his job,

1037
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: do it well, like sort of steadiness right where you're

1038
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: not talking necessarily, Whereas like Anthony Hill when I watched

1039
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: him from Texas, I saw more of like kind of

1040
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: like that Jamie Collins type of player, right that is

1041
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: very splashy, but maybe it was a little bit more

1042
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: inconsistent around the edges, right, you know, so he can play,

1043
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: he can blitz, he can rush off the edge, he

1044
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 3: can cover well, you know, I think he had a

1045
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: like fifty something pressures in college as a as a rusher,

1046
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: you know, as a blitzer and an edge rusher. But

1047
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: there wasn't meant necessarily that like down to down consistency

1048
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: with him where it was CJ.

1049
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 4: Allen.

1050
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 3: It was kind of the opposite, like he was like

1051
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 3: more of like the steady, you know, worker bee, but

1052
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 3: wasn't necessarily like super flashy on the tape.

1053
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you uh one more probably homework. I

1054
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 5: don't know if if you watched Jacob Rodriguez.

1055
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: Yet, No, but I've heard his name a million times

1056
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: this week. So he's gonna be on the list. That's

1057
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 3: that's for sure. I mean, you know what everybody would

1058
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: be graduated with him? Yeah, good things, Yeah, good things.

1059
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: And you know, good things about this whole linebacker class. Honestly,

1060
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: you know, I think that that's really a strength of

1061
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: the draft to you know, front seven in general. Yeah,

1062
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 3: it sounds like everybody's pretty high on the defensive line.

1063
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: You know, maybe we can get into the defensive line.

1064
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: The defensive line is definitely different.

1065
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 5: Oh, when you were you were texting me about Big

1066
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 5: Citrus earlier.

1067
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: Big Citrus, you know, but like that That's sort of

1068
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 3: what I'm getting at, Like with Big Citrus, all of

1069
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: a sudden, those tackles are back like we did. We

1070
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: did this whole thing where like for like a half

1071
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: a decade, everybody was like trying to be built like

1072
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 3: Aaron Donald right where everybody is or I guess it

1073
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: shouldn't like Milton Williams right like everybody's trying to be

1074
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: two ninety ninety five, you know, elite pass rush ability

1075
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 3: like that sort of thing. And now in this draft,

1076
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: Alex everybody is like a three and thirty pound nose tackle.

1077
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 4: But can get after the car back a little bit,

1078
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1079
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: But they're definitely power oriented players right like they're they're

1080
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 3: built on their size and their power. Like, uh, I

1081
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: thought the Banks kid from Florida was really impressive, you know,

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Speaker 3: like I I think that he's got that mentality and

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Speaker 3: you know, you do wonder you know, Kiris Tonga is

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Speaker 3: a free agent. What's going to be his future? Christian Barmore,

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Speaker 3: what's his future going to be with? What's going on

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Speaker 3: with him?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 4: The Georgia defense, do come up the one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah exception?

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Speaker 5: If I have it right, I want to double chow. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Christian Miller is kind of the exception of that. He

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Speaker 5: is that smaller, attacking defensive tackle.

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Speaker 4: Do you see him as a.

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Speaker 3: Fit, Yeah, I know, the kid from Clemson to Walker, right, Yeah,

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00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: he was a little bit more. I mean Woods, Peter Woods, Woods, Woods.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're not gonna have a shot, He's

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Speaker 4: gonna be gone.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, he was definitely more. You know,

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Speaker 3: he had that short area quickness and that ability to

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Speaker 3: get into the gaps and yeah, win across people's faces

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00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: and like things like that. Like, definitely more of that

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Speaker 3: type of player. I think that that would be the

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00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 3: type of player I would think they would be interested in,

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00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: just based off of Milton Williams, Like I think is

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00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 3: their prototype, right, Like, that's clearly when you go and

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Speaker 3: spend twenty six million dollars a year on a player

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00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 3: like that's clearly the type of player that you want.

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00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: But if they lose Tonga or if they want to

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00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 3: upgrade on you know, I think he had a great

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00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: season last year, but like Corey Durdin or just add

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00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: depth in general to that play that position. You know,

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00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 3: there's a lot in that range too, about like twenty

1113
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 3: to forty range in this draft right where they're gonna

1114
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Speaker 3: be picking of these like big you know, Lee Hunter

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00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: and Banks and you know these just like big dudes

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00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 3: that are basically pure nose tackles, which I think is

1117
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: like something that's been totally dead in the draft for

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00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: a while now.

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00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 5: It's been the NFL is cyclical. I've been saying this,

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Speaker 5: like the offenses, the defenses were big, so the offenses

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Speaker 5: got smaller and quicker to counter it. And then you

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Speaker 5: had this age of offense and everybody said that's the

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Speaker 5: NFL now. And then defense has got smaller and quicker

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Speaker 5: it's to counter it. And so now what do you

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Speaker 5: have fullbacks coming back? You know, two tight ends were

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Speaker 5: becoming more popular. We talked about this a lot during

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Speaker 5: the season, Evan that that was kind of the adjustment

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Speaker 5: to all these teams playing quarters and living in too

1129
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 5: high and things like that. What's the logical next step?

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00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 5: Here comes the two hundred and sixty pound linebackers. Here

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00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 5: come the nose tackles. Like it's just this is what

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Speaker 5: I love about football and love about you know, this

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Speaker 5: time of year in the roster building concept, you're trying

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Speaker 5: to react I think to.

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Speaker 4: The latest hit thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you nailed it right there. And I just would

1137
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 3: mention Kaden McDonald from Ohio State and that as well.

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00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 4: That's another guy.

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00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 5: I think he's supposed to go a little higher. Maybe

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Speaker 5: maybe for thirty one.

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Speaker 3: If that's a guy. If you want a guy that

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Speaker 3: you know really doesn't just stuff the run, but like

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Speaker 3: makes plays against the run, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: Like he logged like a ton of run stuffs.

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Speaker 4: Well that's the other thing for lost. Sorry to cut off,

1146
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 4: but that's the other thing.

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Speaker 5: Like you talked about everybody being built like Aaron Donald,

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00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 5: like that was the trend, the smaller athletic. Well, no

1149
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 5: offense to ten years ago, but the three hundred and

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00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,719
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Speaker 5: the three hundred thirty pound players ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you mentioned the too high safety stuff, and

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00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 3: I think that's really what it comes down to, is

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00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: that so many teams are playing a man short in

1155
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Speaker 3: the box, and so many teams are playing you know,

1156
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: where you're trying to take back gaps however you can

1157
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 3: because you're playing down you know, in terms of numbers,

1158
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 3: you're just playing down bodies. And one of the ways

1159
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 3: that teams do it is you know, by playing a

1160
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 3: gap and a half technique, it's not pure two gaping.

1161
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 3: You're still kind of have a primary gap and then

1162
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 3: the secondary gap. But basically what the whole thing is

1163
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 3: is like you can't you can't play all these two

1164
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: high safeties and all this quarters and cover six and

1165
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 3: too high show and then not have any beef up front.

1166
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: Like that's just not gonna work. Like you're gonna just

1167
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Speaker 3: get run on. So like now you look at you know,

1168
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Speaker 3: I'm watching, you know, just to go back to Seattle

1169
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Speaker 3: because they're the champs, like Byron Murphy like that. That's

1170
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Speaker 3: that's the guy, right that kind of makes everything that

1171
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 3: they do sort of work because he can basically command

1172
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1173
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Speaker 3: the run and so that way there they can keep

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Speaker 3: the name of the game now is you know, these

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Speaker 3: are playing you know a lot of five and six

1180
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1181
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Speaker 3: what they're saying, is is like we're gonna compromise speed

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Speaker 3: now on the front seven and you know, defensive tackles

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Speaker 4: PA t S. Haven't anything else before we get into

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Speaker 3: No, I think that just about covers it. I think

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Speaker 3: just the lasting really quickly. I'm sure we'll get asked

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Speaker 3: about this, but just set it and up. You know. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: both Elliot Wolf and Mike Rabel were asked about Christian

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Speaker 3: kind of gave the GM answer of like, you know,

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, right, Rabel City, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Mike r Abel put the full court press on a

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Speaker 3: little bit more, I would say, in terms of the

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Speaker 3: coaching staff's desire. He said the line that he delivered

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Speaker 3: keep Christian Gonzalez. Jonathan and Robert Kraft want to keep

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Speaker 3: Christian Goanzalez. Our fans want to keep Christianzalez. Right, Like,

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Speaker 3: with the Patriots and being with the Patriots. And then

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Speaker 3: he also said the captain thing, which I wish that

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Speaker 3: we could have followed up with him on that. Maybe

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Speaker 3: see like how he sees because he's, you know, not

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Speaker 3: be a raw rock captain. But can he be that

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Speaker 3: sort of like Patrick Certan, you know, lead by example

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Speaker 3: kind of captain.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, they've had those guys before. I don't think you

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Speaker 5: if it's one or two, especially if it's a guy

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Speaker 5: in Connecticut.

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Speaker 4: Nate's up, Nate? Are you there? Did I take the

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Speaker 4: call right? I don't usually do the phone screen right?

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Speaker 3: Did All right?

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Speaker 4: Nate?

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna put you on hold. We'll try again in

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Speaker 5: a minute. Let's go to William in Montreal instead.

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Speaker 13: William Hi I have a few questions about a few players.

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Speaker 13: You guys talked about two guys that I had drafting

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Speaker 13: in mockcraft, but you guys did not talk about Eric

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Speaker 13: McAllister from TCU. Would you rather him or the guy

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Speaker 13: from Tennessee Chris say if I didn't pronounce that properly,

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Speaker 13: So who would you guys rather the pages draft between

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Speaker 13: those two guys?

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Speaker 4: Uh, thanks for the call, William H. Chris Brasel or

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01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 4: Eric McAllister.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of much later.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's kind of much the day two day

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01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 5: three thing. I don't know that McAllister has the and

1306
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 5: in fast and well that's probably is the Day three guy,

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01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 5: right right, So you know, I i'd rather them have

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01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 5: the better player in Brasel. I think at least is

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01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 5: the better prospect. If you want to tell me they

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Speaker 5: could make better use of their picks on day two,

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Speaker 5: I guess maybe you know, if that's somebody you want

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Speaker 5: to target on day three, by all means, at that

1313
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 5: point I would just wait and draft Barry and Brown

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01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 5: because he's faster and he can return kicks.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know. That's just my thought.

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01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you're going out wide receiver, just

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01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 3: my opinion on it is, if you're drafting receivers, I'm

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01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: drafting for Sealing, Yeah, like I want, like I want,

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01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 3: But I think Kayshawn Booty, Mac Collins, if Diggs comes back, obviously,

1320
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 3: like all those guys are gonna are gonna be steady

1321
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 3: and gonna be consistent players. Like if they, you know,

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01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 3: play as much as they did last year. They they were,

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01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 3: you know, made it all the way to the Super

1324
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 3: Bowl with that being their core wide receiver. So if

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Speaker 3: you're going to add a wide receiver to the mix,

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Speaker 3: isn't it somebody that you think can be like a

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01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 3: true you know, number one difference maker that has that

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01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 3: kind of ceiling. And I think in order to get that,

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01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 3: it's gonna have to be early, not not somebody on

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Speaker 3: Day three.

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Speaker 5: Just because I'm looking in that range and I'm sure

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Speaker 5: people care locally. How do you feel about Lewis Bond?

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01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I I think that that's a player

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01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 3: that he's kind of to me, Like, you know, we

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Speaker 3: talked about the day two, day three thing, right, Like

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Speaker 3: is Casey CONCEPSI in the first round version?

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01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's like the high round.

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01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, Mkyle Lemon though I like, mkayle Lemon to me,

1339
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 3: is you know more in that like aman Ross and

1340
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 3: Brown mold of like he's like a physical fair slot receiver.

1341
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know what I mean, like's like physical

1342
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 3: feels weird saying because he's so small.

1343
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 4: But he's but it's case.

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01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: Omar Cooper and then Lewis Bond's kind of like that

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01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 3: Day three version of that.

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01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I guess like the only reason why

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01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 3: I bring that up is because if you're going to

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Speaker 3: do that, then like is Pop Douglas what you know what?

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Speaker 4: He probably.

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01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 3: Right? Like he to me is just kind of another

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01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas, you know, smaller in pop BC is not

1353
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 3: exactly a powerhouse. No offense to Bill O'Brien, you know,

1354
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 3: like that's the sort of thing that we're doing.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to Mark in Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: Mark, what is going on?

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Speaker 5: Guys?

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Speaker 6: So Mark, so I know that this is probably a

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01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 6: pipe dream because we've been thinking about this since he

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Speaker 6: got drafted AJ Brown, What is your guys serious take?

1361
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Speaker 6: Are we really in contention to get him or is

1362
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Speaker 6: it a pipe three?

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Speaker 5: Thanks to call Mark, I if he gets traded, I

1364
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 5: think it's more about whether or not the Eagles are

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01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 5: going to trade him, it's like forty something million in

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01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 5: dead money, right, Plus you're in a content and big

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01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 5: go and you know the Patriots would really or any

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01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 5: team would really have to make it worth the Eagles.

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Speaker 5: Why I will say this, listening to what Sirianni and

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Speaker 5: Howie Roseman said yesterday, I mean, Siriani said, I can't

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Speaker 5: guarantee that he's going to be on the Eagles in

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Speaker 5: twenty six. Like that, you know, that's eye opening. They

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01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 5: hardly closed the door. Rabel was kind of gushing over

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Speaker 5: him today. If he gets moved, I absolutely think Patriots,

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01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 5: that's true. But like, if he gets moved, I absolutely

1376
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 5: think the Patriots should be squarely in the conversation. If

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01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 5: not the favorites. It's you know, whether or not the

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01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 5: Eagles move him that I feel a lot less confident.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's impossible.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: If I just say, sitting here today, thirty five sixty five,

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01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 5: he gets traded thirty five sixty five, forty sixty somewhere

1383
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 5: in there, like it wouldn't surprise me.

1384
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 4: But I don't think it's the most likely outcome. That's

1385
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 4: just me. There's no inside that's just me thinking.

1386
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think the first thing with aj Brown

1387
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 3: is obviously the contract that you were just talking about

1388
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: in terms of the of the money left on the

1389
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 3: contract and the dead money in a trade, they would

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Speaker 3: have to trade him after June first, like they're Otherwise

1391
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 3: they're gonna be carrying million dollars a month half charge

1392
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 3: even then it's like twenty it's like I think it's

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01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 3: like eighteen or twenty or so, it's like half of

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Speaker 3: what it is because you're you're gonna they'd be able

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01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 3: to break it up over two seasons, right, you'd be

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Speaker 3: able to account for it on two seasons of the

1397
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 3: cab versus it all eating at once. Now some teams,

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Speaker 3: I believe the Denver Broncos took it all at once

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Speaker 3: with Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 4: They try to bury that, have it.

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01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just have it ruin our cat for this year,

1402
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 3: and then you know, we're resetting, we're rebuilding anyways, and

1403
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 3: then we'll we'll be off the books, you know, moving forward.

1404
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 3: But they were rebuilding, they were going into a reset,

1405
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 3: whereas the Eagles are not going to be doing that.

1406
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 3: So as much as the Eagles spend more than any

1407
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 3: team in the league. I don't know if they want

1408
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 3: to spend on their good players playing for other teams.

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01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 3: Like that doesn't seem like a Howie Roseman type of move. Now,

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01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 3: the X factor though in all of this, is of

1411
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 3: course a J. Brown. Like if A J. Brown says

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01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to be an Eagle, you know, and

1413
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 3: we go down that whole road, like, then that's something

1414
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 3: that the Eagles in their cap and all that can't control. Well,

1415
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 3: the player doesn't want to be there.

1416
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 4: Brenton, I want to be the Niners. Last year.

1417
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: We didn't, you know. But but right what his issue

1418
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 3: was his his own his contract and his money.

1419
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 4: Though sign a new deal. And then he signed a

1420
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 4: new deal after all that.

1421
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 5: Okay, I you're not It's not a perfect comp We've

1422
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 5: seen teams. Trey Hendrickson would be another example. We've seen

1423
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 5: some players very vocally want out and still not get moved.

1424
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 4: Like teams aren't really caving on trade requests as.

1425
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 5: Regularly as they used to. It doesn't mean they don't

1426
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 5: do it or they won't do it. But I feel

1427
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 5: like this is a little bit of a trade we've

1428
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 5: seen the last few years.

1429
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 3: Sure, I just wonder what DJ Brown. He's already been

1430
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 3: kind of a grumpy let's call it, you know in

1431
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 3: Philadelphia as it is, uh, and maybe they it just

1432
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 3: is time for that relationship to split. But other than that,

1433
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 3: I don't you know cap wise where they are in

1434
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 3: their in their window just in terms of competing for

1435
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 3: championships and things like that, it just doesn't make a

1436
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 3: whole lot of sense that that would be something that

1437
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 3: they would do. Now, if you're the Patriots, you're absolutely interested,

1438
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 3: Like what's the offer? Look like? I think is another

1439
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 3: interesting conversation we could have. Like one of the things

1440
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 3: that I thought of is, you know, with the Eagles

1441
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 3: in a trade, you know, obviously you're gonna have draft

1442
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 3: compensation in there, But would they be interested in one

1443
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:03,759
Speaker 3: of the Patriots receivers?

1444
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 4: I would think so, yeah, to get something like that done.

1445
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 3: If they right, if they could, if they're trading AJ Brown,

1446
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 3: And again I'm not trying to drive this sky to

1447
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 3: the airport or anything, but if they're trading AJ Brown,

1448
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 3: then they need somebody to play AJ Brown's role. So

1449
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: would Kishon Booty be.

1450
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 5: Somebody in the reality is, if you get a Brown here,

1451
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 5: what IS's role here?

1452
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 3: Right? So maybe that way there the Eagles still have

1453
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 3: an outside receiver X receiver that can play, as we saw,

1454
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 3: on a good team and play well and have moments

1455
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 3: in playoff games and things like that. The Patriots get

1456
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 3: a little bit more of a ceiling, you know, a

1457
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 3: little bit more star power at that position. You know,

1458
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 3: maybe that makes it so the Patriots don't have to

1459
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 3: go crazy with draft capital and and throw, you know,

1460
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 3: a bunch of picks at the Eagles. For AJ Brown,

1461
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 3: you know, when he went from Tennessee to Philly, it

1462
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 3: was what a first and the third right for a J. Brown?

1463
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 3: That was four years ago now, so like his markets

1464
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 3: definitely shifted, so I have to imagine it's gonna be

1465
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 3: a little bit less than that. So, uh, you know,

1466
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 3: does that sort of thing, you know, help the Patriots

1467
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 3: kind of bridge a gap if they do end up

1468
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 3: shopping a J. Brown who knows the other name, and

1469
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 3: you kind of you mentioned him earlier. We had Reese

1470
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 3: on today, and when Reese talks about things, he swore

1471
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 3: that this was purely him him just throwing something out

1472
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 3: there and not informed. But I always rip him about

1473
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 3: about that because Mike Reas does not say things that

1474
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 3: are that are all informed too often. So the name

1475
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 3: he threw out there was Brian Thomas Jr. With Jacksonville.

1476
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 3: And the one thing that I hesitate with that Now,

1477
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 3: Parker Washington's turned into a great player for Jacksonville. So

1478
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 3: they have Parker Washington. Travis Hunter is supposed to be

1479
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 3: playing corner now, right.

1480
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 4: That's what they're saying.

1481
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 5: I might play a little bit of wide receiver here

1482
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 5: and there, but that's it.

1483
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 3: Right, So he's going to be, you know, for all

1484
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 3: intents and purposes, he's going to be a full time

1485
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 3: corner now. Yeah, So you know, Jacksonville moving Brian Thomas Junior.

1486
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 3: I just don't see it, but that's you know, Mike

1487
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 3: Reese brought it up. I saw it being talked about

1488
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 3: it a little bit on ESPN. I think it was

1489
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 3: Dan Graziano talking about it. So like, clearly that name

1490
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 3: is being floated around the combine in terms of somebody

1491
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 3: that might be able to that might shake free and

1492
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 3: might be traded.

1493
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 4: He's gonna cost you at least thirty first pick.

1494
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 3: I would think, yeah, And we talked about brazl right,

1495
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 3: and and you mentioned that it's a comp you know,

1496
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas junior. I think Brian Thomas Junior is a

1497
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 3: Drake May kind of receiver. Yeah, guy, that's a vertical

1498
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 3: field stretching receiver, you know, with some size that that's

1499
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 3: exactly the type of player. I don't know. Would you

1500
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 3: be interested in giving up for him? I don't know.

1501
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 3: I always hate playing this game because I.

1502
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 5: Mean not mult like I wouldn't do a first and

1503
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 5: a second. I wouldn't do a first in the future first.

1504
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 5: But if it's like a first, I don't know, like first,

1505
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 5: third and player, I'd probably do that. Yeah, all right, Wait,

1506
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 5: speaking of Chris Brasel while we're on that. Yes, Eldred

1507
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 5: has called in.

1508
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 4: Carolina. Hey, whatever, what do you got?

1509
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 14: Hey man, I've been listening to what y'all said about A. J.

1510
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 7: Brown, But.

1511
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 15: This morning, the day's talking is possible because.

1512
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 14: Of the toxic to him and Jalen Hurt and Sriana,

1513
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 14: you know, for years, and if I wanted we become

1514
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 14: New England would be a camp in the locker room.

1515
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 9: I don't think, so to see how we wanted to

1516
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 9: be a Patriot. And the coach was this coach before,

1517
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 9: so I say, great, would have him have him locked in?

1518
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 9: They'd be that gown outside with me, and uh, they

1519
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 9: probably do it with the the sixteen point nine I

1520
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 9: munion is in on the caps. So that's that's a

1521
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 9: doable trade. And I would do it.

1522
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 14: But brother, yeah, you're right.

1523
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 3: Uh, I do want.

1524
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 15: Him, But but you're gonna get them both him and

1525
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 15: a J. You ain't gonna get them both.

1526
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 14: But you know I don't do.

1527
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 3: That, Aldred, I I apologize for You're.

1528
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 15: Right, like like he keeps saying, and he do a

1529
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 15: lot of why if you look at his production, he third,

1530
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 15: he's third in long long distance, long yards and stuff

1531
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 15: and touchdown and he also nice when he comes with

1532
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 15: catches and yards in the in the college.

1533
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. So like I said that, he doesn't have a

1534
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 3: diverse routree, but you were you were right about him, Aldred.

1535
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 3: I'll give you your props. Yeah, that that was that

1536
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 3: was a good pick.

1537
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 15: All right, Thanks man, you have a good way.

1538
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 13: All right.

1539
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 4: Thanks Al you go back to aj Brown thing too.

1540
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 4: I'm with it. And I said this about Diggs last year.

1541
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, if he doesn't get eight to ten targets

1542
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,759
Speaker 5: a game, he's gonna be annoyed. Fine, he should probably

1543
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 5: be getting that if he's here, like if AJ Brown's here,

1544
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 5: And I think at least some of the report I

1545
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 5: haven't read every single thing that's been, you know, put

1546
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 5: out there about it, but some of the reporting was

1547
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 5: that it wasn't necessarily the volume as much as it

1548
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 5: was the kind of targets, Like he wanted to be

1549
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 5: targeted more deep, Right, it's not any to ten to

1550
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 5: twelve targets a game.

1551
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,480
Speaker 4: He wanted more deep balls. Everything was underneath.

1552
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, fine, if it upsets him that he's only

1553
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 5: getting targeted short, that shouldn't be the case if he's here.

1554
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 5: If he's here, drink may is gonna be throwing him

1555
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 5: goes and posts like so, I'm not.

1556
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 4: Worried about that offense was just right.

1557
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that offense was just broken, Like and I think that,

1558
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 3: you know, the volume has something to do with it,

1559
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 3: because it's just how high their rush volume is, Like

1560
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 3: they run the ball so much that there's only one

1561
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: ball to go around. And if they're running the ball

1562
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 3: as much as Philly likes to run the ball, Now

1563
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 3: you DeVante Smith, Dallas Godter, A J. Brown, like you're

1564
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 3: talking about let's just say you're talking twenty five pass

1565
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 3: attempts a game, like, there's just not gonna be enough

1566
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 3: exact predator round.

1567
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 5: Now, if you want to tell me, AJ Brown is

1568
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 5: gonna be a J Brown is a problem. And you

1569
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 5: know it's a problem that he's upset that he's only

1570
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 5: getting three or four targets a game. Okay, if he's

1571
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 5: only getting three or four targets a game here, that's

1572
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 5: an issue with the way their offense is built and

1573
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 5: their personnel is built, and Drake May's approach, like, I'm

1574
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 5: not worried about that being's that can be a problem

1575
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 5: in Philly. I don't think that's gonna be a problem here.

1576
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 5: I don't think a lot of targets for a J.

1577
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,799
Speaker 5: Brown would be a problem here. Let's go to Patty

1578
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 5: and Aguan Patty, what's.

1579
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 7: Up Evan Alex As the Great Michael Holly would say

1580
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 7: when he was on the radio, my people from another steeple,

1581
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 7: I got a few things I wanted to go over

1582
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 7: yesterday when I uh, I watched all Elliott's press conferences,

1583
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 7: all of this pressers to sit downs and everything, and

1584
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 7: I kind of put him the same opinion after watching

1585
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 7: them that the darted yesterday, which is, I don't think

1586
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 7: you're you know they're not gonna go crazy spending obviously,

1587
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 7: but I would be I wouldn't be surprised if you see, like,

1588
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 7: maybe them sign a couple of big names, the two

1589
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 7: guys I'm thinking of, or possibly three guys obviously David Edwards.

1590
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 7: I would love Jalen Phillips to be on this team.

1591
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 7: And I think, like, you know, like you guys are

1592
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 7: talking about playing for a contender plane for Rabel playing

1593
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 7: on a team that just made it to the super Bowl.

1594
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 7: I'm not saying he would take a discount, but I

1595
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 7: don't think he's gonna you know, he's had injury issues,

1596
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 7: maybe he doesn't command that much money and the other

1597
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 7: guy is likely. Now I got a couple more things.

1598
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 7: I'll try and make him quick. But uh I had

1599
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 7: this crazy thought in my head too regarding Will Campbell

1600
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 7: playing left tackle, Like if I was, I was thinking, like,

1601
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 7: if they go out and sign like Antonio to me,

1602
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 7: that would like, hey, all right, we're gonna give you

1603
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 7: like one or two years kind of uh see, if

1604
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 7: you take that next steps, if you clean up some

1605
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 7: of the bad techniques that everyone says you were playing with,

1606
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 7: if they sound a guy like David Edwards I think

1607
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 7: that that pretty much stamps him in as the left

1608
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 7: tackle for the next four or five years, and I

1609
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 7: wanted to get your guys thoughts on that. Alex, I

1610
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 7: think you have to Sodo two positions this year definitely, Okay,

1611
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 7: edge and edge and tight end and Evan. I'm going

1612
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 7: to keep pounding the table for this guy. I do

1613
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 7: like Chris Brazil a lot, but I'm going to keep

1614
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 7: pounding the table. I want you to watch some film

1615
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 7: on Skyler Bell because that's that. You know, Chris Bell

1616
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 7: was my draft crush and then he tore his ACL

1617
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 7: and I kind of I'm kind of all set, but

1618
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 7: I'm telling you Skyler Bell Yukon vocal kid. That's got

1619
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 7: nothing to do with him playing for Yukon. He's a

1620
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 7: damn good player. Check him out. That's all I got.

1621
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 7: Talk to you guys next week.

1622
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 4: Thanks Patty.

1623
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 5: I want to go back to what he said about

1624
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 5: the free agents because it's a good point. Like to me,

1625
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 5: it's I don't know SODO counts if you resigned somebody.

1626
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 4: I don't think it does. You know that that applies.

1627
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 5: To additions for those who are not longtime listeners in

1628
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 5: the program. It means sign one draft one, adding two players,

1629
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 5: one veteran one one rookie in the off season in

1630
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 5: a single position. You know, to me, it's can they

1631
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 5: sign like one or two really two starters, ideally a

1632
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 5: left guard, and then either a linebacker or a safety

1633
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 5: of Hawkins leaves. You know, I'd put aj Brown in there,

1634
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 5: I guess, and then like either re sign Chase On

1635
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 5: or sign an edge. If they re signed Chase On

1636
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 5: and then draft somebody, I would say that would be enough.

1637
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 5: If they don't re sign Chase On, then yeah, you

1638
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 5: probably need to sign one draft one. I came up

1639
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 5: with the term, so I guess I can decide whether

1640
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 5: or not that counts to me.

1641
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 4: It applies to additions. You coined it, so yeah I did.

1642
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 5: So I'm not there yet with edge tight end, Yeah yeah,

1643
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 5: probably I don't know that.

1644
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could probably so to that because I guess.

1645
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 3: I am a I have a take on the tight ends.

1646
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 3: I'll get to in a second. But I was I

1647
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 3: was thinking a little soda with with edge rusher. But

1648
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: if you're gonna tell me that that Chase On doesn't count,

1649
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 3: I'll let I'll give that to you. Since you you

1650
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 3: coined the phrase Uh, but I say it counts. I mean,

1651
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 3: you did your sign.

1652
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 5: But I think it applied. It implies additions, it implies building. Yeah, like,

1653
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 5: for instance, because like Jalen hawkeets, safety would be the

1654
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 5: same thing. If they bring back Jalen Hawks, you can

1655
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 5: just draft somebody if they lose Jalen Hacket.

1656
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, soda.

1657
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 3: So it's I I right, So I guess I guess

1658
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 3: with safety. My the difference to me is like if

1659
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 3: they sign, if they bring back Jalen Hawkins, then I'm

1660
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 3: not using a top one hundred pick on a safety.

1661
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 3: I still like that that.

1662
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 4: I still might not the first round pick, but I

1663
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 4: still data.

1664
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 3: I don't think I need to.

1665
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 4: But what do they feel like they planned for?

1666
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:01,879
Speaker 3: I I'd have to. It'd have to be like somebody

1667
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 3: that you know they feel like is gonna be an

1668
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 3: impact starter. And then if you but if you like

1669
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 3: feel like you know, for example, if you feel like

1670
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 3: Dynamon or McNeil Warren is a guy that can be

1671
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 3: an impact, you know, big time impact player, Like you're

1672
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 3: gonna draft McNeil Warren and he's gonna have the same

1673
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 3: impact as you're on your defense, and nick Ammon Warrey

1674
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 3: had on Seattle right like that, then okay, but if

1675
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 3: you're just drafting him so that hopefully he's you know,

1676
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 3: a solid contributor, then like I don't know at edge Rusher,

1677
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 3: even if you bring back Chase On, like, we don't know.

1678
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 3: You know, Elliot Wolf said yesterday that he's he's gonna

1679
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 3: at least come back to you know, in twenty twenty

1680
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 3: six for camp. I honestly am not ready to say

1681
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 3: that Harold Andry is gonna make it through camp on

1682
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 3: the Patriots roster, but he's at least in the mix, right, Yeah,

1683
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 3: But like who's playing that edge spot oppositely Chase On

1684
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:00,600
Speaker 3: long term?

1685
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 4: No, it's it's fair.

1686
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 3: So like to me, it's like I think they need

1687
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 3: to sign one draft one at edge Rusher because I

1688
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 3: think they need two starters now maybe Chase On is

1689
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 3: one of them.

1690
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 5: So that's what SODO means soda usually, And that's that's why,

1691
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 5: because remember it came out of they had no tackles

1692
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 5: and you didn't want to draft you want to have

1693
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 5: two rookie tackles and you weren't going to get two

1694
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 5: starting tackles and free agency because that's unrealistic. So that's

1695
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 5: that's what it's born out of. So that's why I like,

1696
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 5: I don't how about this.

1697
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 4: Here's a compromise.

1698
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 5: Because Calebon Chason is not technically a free agent until

1699
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 5: is it the eleventh ninth, March March nine, the tampering

1700
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 5: window on March ninth. If Chason's not re signed, it

1701
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 5: becomes sodo.

1702
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 4: Okay, I think that's.

1703
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 3: All right because you can hit the open market and

1704
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 3: you're competing for him, and YadA, YadA, YadA.

1705
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 6: Yah.

1706
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think i'd edge rusher. It's such a

1707
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 3: great class. And then you're still thinking about, Okay, you

1708
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 3: probably need two long term you know, you need two

1709
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 3: starters on book ends, you know, on opposite end. So like,

1710
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 3: I think you need to take that approach, and it's

1711
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 3: a good free agency class. It's a good draft for

1712
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 3: edge rushers. Let's say, you know, why not, Let's say

1713
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 3: they bring back Chase On should they still sign one

1714
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 3: draft one on the edge, and the draft one, by

1715
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 3: the way, applies to like top one hundred, Like, yeah,

1716
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 3: you take guy in who seventh round doesn't count.

1717
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 4: We're talking about.

1718
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 5: Guys are gonna play right away. Does that be a

1719
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 5: first round top one hundred, top one fifty. Even if

1720
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 5: they bring back Chase on Evan, should they still sign

1721
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 5: one draft one on the edge.

1722
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 3: I think so, because, like I just said, like Landry,

1723
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what Landry's future looks like. I think

1724
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 3: he's sticking around right now because of the contract. Frankly, yeah,

1725
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 3: you know, like, I don't think they really can move

1726
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 3: off of him right now. Anthony Jennings, I think, to

1727
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 3: his credit, really played very well and kind of carved

1728
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,839
Speaker 3: out a role for himself that they didn't really think existed.

1729
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 3: Frank you know, in training camp last year, he was

1730
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 3: not really getting a lot of those He had to

1731
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 3: earn his roster spot. Yeah right, I mean he just

1732
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 3: had to flat out earn the roster spot. I like

1733
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 3: what I saw from Elijah Ponder, Like, I think there's

1734
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 3: flashes there, But is he a starter in this league

1735
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 3: that's gonna play eighty eighty five percent of the snaps?

1736
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 3: I think that's asking a lot out of an undrafted

1737
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 3: free agent signing for that to pan out that way.

1738
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 3: So I think that you're looking for a long term

1739
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 3: uh you know, probably you know, left defensive end on

1740
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 3: the know, over the right side of the offensive line.

1741
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 3: That's gonna you know, be the opposite side of Chase

1742
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 3: On for the next three or four years, and that

1743
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 3: I think in this edge class, like you probably can

1744
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,679
Speaker 3: get one maybe all the way through the third round,

1745
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 3: you know. So I think that's exactly where they are

1746
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 3: at that spot.

1747
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that's sort of me Like, I don't know

1748
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 5: if they bring back Chase On, right, I don't know

1749
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 5: that you got to go out and pay like a

1750
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 5: dafe Away or boy mafe right, pay one of these

1751
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 5: guys big money.

1752
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 3: No, but.

1753
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 5: You know, in terms of the Soto thing, there are

1754
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 5: some and we texted about this. I know you hate

1755
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 5: this take, but I'm gonna give it anyway. There's some

1756
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 5: like older veterans that are out there that are not

1757
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 5: nearly what they were and say that, you know, just

1758
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 5: to pin their ears back a third down and go

1759
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 5: it's Joe So Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack and Jadavian Clown.

1760
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 5: Let's say let's say they bring back calevon Chase On,

1761
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 5: and they know they're.

1762
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 3: Going to draft the edge guy with one of their

1763
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 3: first run defender in the NFL than Joe.

1764
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm saying, like, then Khalil Mack, then Khalil

1765
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 5: Mack or Jadavion Clowny pick one. I would throw Cameron

1766
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 5: Jordan in there too, but I would imagine he's either

1767
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 5: going back to the Saints or retiring. Like throw Von

1768
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 5: Miller in there, out, throw Von Miller in there, Like,

1769
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 5: oh my god, would you give one of these guys

1770
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 5: like a one year, ten million dollar deal and just

1771
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 5: say we're gonna put you on the field and third downs,

1772
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 5: go get the quarterback. If you have chased on back

1773
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 5: and you know you're drafting somebody high or with some

1774
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 5: of these guys, they may not sign till after the draft,

1775
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 5: you may not even have to decide on that un

1776
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 5: till later.

1777
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 3: Okay. I guess my my biggest pushback on this, and

1778
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I shouldn't have said that about Joey Bosa.

1779
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 3: That was rude, But my biggest pushback on this. Okay,

1780
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 3: this guys, let me be clear. This guy's not coming

1781
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 3: in and playing eighty percent of the snaps. We're talking

1782
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 3: about like thirty percent, I third and fifteen. Go do

1783
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 3: the one thing that you're known for. Okay, but here's

1784
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 3: my pushback. Yeah, if he if he gets healthy, which

1785
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 3: is the same thing with Bosa, Matt Like, all these

1786
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 3: guys are thirty plus years old. They're gonna have to

1787
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 3: stay healthy, right, right, So can Harold l Andry just

1788
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 3: do that? And then you already have that guy? Yes,

1789
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 3: yet like the older veteran pass rusher like Joey Bosa,

1790
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 3: Harold Landry, like they're kind of just in the same ilk.

1791
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 3: Whereas like when I look at this free agency class

1792
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 3: and look guys like Away and Mo Bowie, my off A.

1793
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 3: Those guys are gonna get paid, right, They're gonna get

1794
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 3: paid a lot of money. But there's some guys that

1795
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 3: are like, maybe there's more to it, Like a guy

1796
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 3: that I really like that I think they might as

1797
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 3: Arnold Abikite, that name, I know Itbicetti from Atlanta, right,

1798
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 3: I played it with the Falcons, drafted by the Falcons,

1799
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 3: didn't really necessarily hit, but I think he's got sort

1800
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 3: of that pastor a skill set. I remember watching him

1801
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 3: for the draft, you know, a couple of years ago,

1802
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 3: like that that's their type of guy, Like could that

1803
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 3: type of guy with the change of scenery and a

1804
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 3: better system fit and all that kind of stuff. But

1805
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 3: they just did this with I.

1806
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 5: Was gonna say, they say, you're literally just talking about

1807
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 5: finding the next kale Cha, which I'm all for.

1808
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, like I'd much rather just do that than

1809
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 3: going and like you know, buy like a thirty four

1810
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 3: year old head rusher. Fair enough, Wait thought, that's all

1811
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 3: just the thought. I I know you like that you

1812
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 3: liked the force fumbles with Jordan.

1813
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 4: I want we talked.

1814
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 5: I want guys on the defense that force turnovers like

1815
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 5: they're really good preventative defense. They need they now need

1816
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 5: guys that make plays and veterans tend to be better

1817
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 5: at that. It's not I know you're making about Bosa.

1818
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 5: That's the guy texting you about It could be any

1819
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 5: of those guys.

1820
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 3: Because I'm teasing you, I know, uh say to have more.

1821
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 4: Causes, you grab one more call? Yeah, why did you

1822
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 4: have a thought?

1823
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 3: Yeah? Go ahead now I had I wanted to talk

1824
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 3: about the tight ends.

1825
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 5: But okay, we have emails too that I was going

1826
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 5: to use that to go to the tight ends. But first,

1827
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 5: Derek in South Carolina, Derek, Hey, guys.

1828
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 2: So I just want to ask about the I have

1829
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 2: a question about the draft.

1830
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 4: Yep.

1831
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,839
Speaker 2: So do you think the Patriots are in a position

1832
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 2: when if they stan Pad at thirty one and they

1833
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:50,639
Speaker 2: don't make any big cree agent spies. Do you think

1834
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 2: that they are in a position where they can take

1835
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 2: ast available relative to at least some sort of positional need.

1836
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 5: If they don't make any free agent signings, can they

1837
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 5: just take the best available player thirty one? I mean,

1838
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 5: there'd be an argument that they need to guard if

1839
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 5: if they plan on moving Jared Wilson back in the center,

1840
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 5: they would need to start and guard. But you could

1841
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 5: get that guy later. Kind of, It's weird kind of

1842
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 5: the way the board falls. The best player available is

1843
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 5: probably going to be a position to need for them

1844
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 5: most of the back end of the first round edge rushers,

1845
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,799
Speaker 5: receivers and defensive Yeah.

1846
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

1847
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 2: So free agency is it going to be like, okay,

1848
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 2: so we're gonna maybe for a tight end too, right yeah,

1849
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 2: not really a howl out there for a blocking type

1850
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 2: of tight end, right, like, uh, Lively receivers got franchised.

1851
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 2: Do they try and pry away Meyer from Raiders or

1852
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 2: comment from the from Chicago?

1853
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I like those guys. You know, Charlie

1854
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 5: Kohler is a free agent, Kate Aughten's a free agent.

1855
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 5: Those guys can block. You don't have to give up

1856
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 5: a draft pick. You know, they could try to make

1857
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 5: a trade, but I think they could also get some

1858
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 5: of those guys in free agency.

1859
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 2: And heaven, you made a great point two weeks ago.

1860
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,919
Speaker 2: You said we didn't lose Super Bowl because of defense,

1861
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: which I agree with completely. So I'd love to see

1862
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 2: us make a move.

1863
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 5: For a J.

1864
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 3: Brown.

1865
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: But the thing I've heard about him is how bad

1866
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 2: that contract is in all the tech cap space, so

1867
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how that would work out. Thanks, guys,

1868
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.

1869
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 4: Thanks Derek.

1870
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 5: So the contracts pass, the team taking a J. Brown

1871
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 5: on I think actually gets something like a bargain at

1872
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 5: least for a first.

1873
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, the contract is the Eagles problem, right,

1874
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 3: you know whatever. But the thing that he said about

1875
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 3: the best player available and then we can talk about

1876
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 3: the tight ends, I thought that the best player available.

1877
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 3: Thing I was actually thinking about this earlier, Alex is

1878
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:58,799
Speaker 3: that the last two drafts they've been like really locked

1879
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 3: into the position that they are gonna be. Like they

1880
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 3: needed to take a quarterback and Drake May's draft, and

1881
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 3: they needed to take a tackle in Will Campbell's draft,

1882
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 3: and there was really no wiggle room there, like there.

1883
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 3: That's just kind of how they were set up. So

1884
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 3: even though they're picking thirty one and that's obviously very

1885
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 3: very different just in general from where they were picking

1886
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 3: those two drafts, this is the first draft in a

1887
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 3: little while where they don't have like a glaring, obvious

1888
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 3: need that they're locked into a position right well now,

1889
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 3: that could change in free agency, like if they if

1890
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 3: Hawkins and Chase on and like they both walk, let's say, yeah,

1891
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 3: you know, and they don't go out and replace those guys,

1892
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 3: then that might change. But as of right now, I

1893
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 3: do think that they're now they're not going to take

1894
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 3: When I say best player available, I do They're not

1895
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 3: probably not going to take a running back right.

1896
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 4: Sucks, But let's let's say it's c J.

1897
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 3: Allen.

1898
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 5: But just in general, the best player available could be

1899
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 5: se You know how I feel about best player available.

1900
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 5: I think it's a fallacy, you know, because and it's

1901
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 5: actually not the case this year. If we're just gonna say, okay,

1902
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 5: what's best player available, mean, rate them on a scale

1903
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:05,640
Speaker 5: of one to one hundred, how could they are at

1904
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,560
Speaker 5: their position? Best player available after about pick eight is

1905
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 5: usually kicker. Well, okay, well it's not a valuable position.

1906
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:13,799
Speaker 5: All right, So now we're not doing best player available,

1907
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 5: We're putting positional value to it. It's best player available,

1908
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 5: you know, well, you know, okay, so then draft the

1909
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 5: position you need.

1910
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 4: Well, that's drafting for need.

1911
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 5: That's not best player available, it's best player available for

1912
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 5: the state of the football team. True best player available

1913
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 5: as a fallacy, truly, just drafting for need. I go

1914
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 5: back to is the cold strange pick. So, like, let's

1915
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 5: say it's Cjlen.

1916
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 3: I just think that that's where they were, right, Like,

1917
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 3: that's where they were with Drake May, that's where they

1918
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 3: were with Will Campbell, like they had to fix I.

1919
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 5: Think there's also like we knowledged you know. Yeah, sorry continue, sorry.

1920
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I just think you want to bring up CJ. Allen,

1921
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 3: Like you can make a case for that. Yeah, you know,

1922
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 3: Robert Splaine's getting older, you know, could they upgrade Jack

1923
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 3: give me and Christian Ellis and Jelani Tavai And now

1924
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:06,480
Speaker 3: for the short term, you have a really good linebacker

1925
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 3: tandem with Splaine and CJ. Allen. For the long term,

1926
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,719
Speaker 3: maybe CJ. Allen is your your true mic and replacing

1927
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 3: Robert Splaine, right, Like I mean It's not what I

1928
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 3: would necessarily loved for them to do. But I don't

1929
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 3: think that they're going to go into this draft because

1930
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 3: of what they've done so far. They've been good at

1931
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,600
Speaker 3: you know, they've done new last offseason, they had a

1932
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 3: good offseason. I don't really look at this roster right

1933
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 3: now and say, you know, Cole strangers because they had

1934
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 3: a glaring need at the guard, you know, and I

1935
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 3: just don't see that on this team right now, and

1936
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 3: barring you know, them losing everybody in free agency and

1937
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 3: kind of having to you know, a hole at safety,

1938
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 3: hole at edge rusher, you know, something like that.

1939
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 5: I think the only position it would genuinely surprise me,

1940
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 5: I mean beyond quarterback. But just like looking at you know,

1941
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 5: to use the consensus board, twenty five to thirty five,

1942
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 5: wide receiver, defensive lineman, tackle, linebacker, defensive lineman, edge, quarterback, safety, corner, corner,

1943
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 5: defensive linemen. The only thing that like surprised me in

1944
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 5: the first round is corner, Like that guy's not gonna play, yeah,

1945
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 5: you know, and I do think they need a corner,

1946
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 5: and I wouldn't hate taking developmental guy either late in

1947
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 5: the top one hundred or early on Day three, develop

1948
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 5: beyond Carlton Davis your first round pick, unless they're drafting

1949
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 5: you know, Blake Freeling to develop on Morgan mos is

1950
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:24,919
Speaker 5: like your first round pick should.

1951
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:26,799
Speaker 4: Probably play corner.

1952
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 5: Would be the only position that would spress me. All right,

1953
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 5: you said you have a wide receiver, take a tight end.

1954
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 5: Take We got a couple of ends.

1955
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 3: Yes, so you want to sorry, go ahead?

1956
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 4: So should I read these I'm emails first? You just

1957
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 4: want to give it.

1958
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:40,560
Speaker 3: Let me get my take everyone. We'll see if the

1959
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 3: you know, maybe the emails will kind of all right.

1960
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 3: So here here, here's my thing on tight ends, because

1961
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 3: I were getting ready to put out after the combine

1962
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 3: all of our like free agency previews, yeah, and how

1963
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 3: we'd written previews and how we do it. I take

1964
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,639
Speaker 3: the offense because you know, I'm more of an offense guy,

1965
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 3: and duce takes the defense because Ducee is all about defense. Right,

1966
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 3: we split up the sides of the ball. So I

1967
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,600
Speaker 3: just did my previews on offense and those will be

1968
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 3: out next week. And I was writing about the tight ends,

1969
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 3: and I have come to the conclusion because I've heard

1970
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 3: a lot of hype and now maybe it's a little

1971
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 3: less so because Kyle Pitts is now probably not going

1972
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 3: to be on the market. But I've heard a lot

1973
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 3: of hype about the tight end class in free agency,

1974
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 3: and I got to tell you, Alix, like I'm not

1975
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 3: crazy about it. I'm not crazy about it. And the

1976
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 3: main reason why I'm not crazy about it is because

1977
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 3: I don't think any of these dudes can block that.

1978
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 3: And like you mentioned Cohler, who I think is probably

1979
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 3: one of the best blocking tight ends in football, but

1980
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 3: he doesn't really catch the ball right. So like you're

1981
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 3: either again, you're in this category kind of like we

1982
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 3: were talking about earlier where you don't have You either

1983
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 3: have receivers like Kyle, like Isaiah Likely and Kyle Pitts

1984
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 3: are wide receivers. I know they're listed as tight ends,

1985
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:59,879
Speaker 3: but they're they're tight ends masquerading about they're wide receivers

1986
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 3: masquerading as tight ends. Like they're not tight ends.

1987
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 4: What about k.

1988
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 3: I I remembered Kateaen as a better blocker than maybe

1989
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 3: I I once I dug into it, I don't think

1990
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,799
Speaker 3: that Kay Dowton is as good as of a blocker

1991
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 3: as I initially thought. Uh, And he also maybe is

1992
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 3: just the type of offense that they played in Tampa Bay,

1993
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 3: but a lot of his snaps were flexed out, you know,

1994
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 3: slot you know, type of snaps as well. So I

1995
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 3: think that he's probably maybe a little bit more well rounded.

1996
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 3: But I think he's more you know, Hunter Henry. So

1997
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 3: what if you're looking to upgrade the inline blocking, isn't

1998
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:42,759
Speaker 3: it we're upgrading it from Hunter Henry, right Like? That's

1999
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 3: so yeah, just replacing or adding Hunter Henry to Hunter Henry,

2000
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 3: then you're just kind of doing the same thing.

2001
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 5: What about Dylan in Nashville? David Joku not going back

2002
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 5: to the Browns.

2003
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 3: So I think that one has a little bit more

2004
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 3: of what I'm looking for. Definitely a vertical player up

2005
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 3: the field, right, which I like in the passing game,

2006
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 3: may make a lot more inline experience because of what

2007
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 3: they did in Cleveland and they run first offense yep, yep,

2008
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 3: So that one I like a little bit now doesn't

2009
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 3: check off the getting younger at the position, right, he's

2010
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 3: little than Austin Hooper, but not he's not We're not resetting,

2011
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 3: right like, we're not going with the draft picker. I

2012
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 3: guess you could draft somebody still too, But you know what,

2013
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 3: I'm trying to say, like still kind of on the

2014
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 3: older side. You know. Then you have guys like Kohler,

2015
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,560
Speaker 3: who I think is one of the best blockers in

2016
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 3: the league at the position, but doesn't really catch the ball.

2017
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:47,639
Speaker 3: David Bellinger from the Giants, I think is a solid blocker,

2018
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 3: but he doesn't really Yeah, you know, Chicka Konkuo is

2019
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:56,680
Speaker 3: a really good like h back move tight end that

2020
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 3: catches the ball and is a big passing game player,

2021
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 3: but the block So it just look My big thing

2022
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 3: I'll is is trying to upgrade the inline blocking, and

2023
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 3: I just don't see it unless you're sacrificing, like you're

2024
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 3: really signing a blocking titan, I'm with you, or drafting

2025
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:15,719
Speaker 3: a blocking tight end.

2026
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 5: I'm with you. Like tight ends to do everything well,

2027
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 5: aren't going to grow on trees. That's kind of a

2028
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 5: whole point.

2029
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 3: Can I don't even like you. I'm not asking them

2030
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 3: to do everything well, I'm asking them to do.

2031
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 5: I'm agreeing with you, like solidly. Everybody asks like it's

2032
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 5: so easy to go get a well rounded tight end. Well, no,

2033
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 5: the guys that can catch and block are generally more

2034
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 5: valued because they can do multiple things. Dawn and Philly

2035
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 5: ass would you trade up for Kenyon Sadik if he falls.

2036
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 4: To the early twenties, which I don't think is going

2037
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,839
Speaker 4: to happen, but would you trade.

2038
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 3: So, Like, I think Kenyan Sadik's blocking is underrated, Like

2039
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 3: I think that he's getting kind of knocked for his

2040
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 3: blocking a little bit because he's like probably going to

2041
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 3: come in at like six three two forty five, yeah,

2042
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 3: somewhere around there. I think he's an underrated blocker, but

2043
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 3: I think that he's more of like a perimeter get

2044
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 3: on a safety type of blocker, right, Like, I don't

2045
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 3: think that he's somebody that's going to block defensive ends

2046
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:14,880
Speaker 3: and linebackers at a high level, you know, in the pros.

2047
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.

2048
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 3: Maybe you know, like I really like Sadik, and I

2049
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 3: think that he's enough of a blocker. You know. I

2050
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 3: was going into his film expecting to see no blocking,

2051
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 3: and I thought I saw a little bit of blocking

2052
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 3: at least, So, you know, I don't hate it. But

2053
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 3: every time, not every time, but a lot of the

2054
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 3: time that he tried to block in line against like

2055
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 3: a true defensive end or outside linebacker, it was rough.

2056
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:41,719
Speaker 3: So he's not exactly that. But the talent is is immense,

2057
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 3: you know, in terms of the receiving upside, and I

2058
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 3: think he blocks just enough so that he's gonna be

2059
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 3: just fine.

2060
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 5: The guy I'm looking at is Oscar Delp, and I

2061
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 5: think this is a huge, huge week.

2062
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 4: For Oscar Delp.

2063
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 5: Anywhere you look at the projections, some people have him

2064
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 5: going late in the second round. Some people haven't sneaking

2065
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 5: in the top two hundred. He doesn't have the production

2066
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 5: because Georgia's offense is weird and he split time with

2067
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 5: Loss and Lucky, who's really good.

2068
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 4: But he's going back to school.

2069
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 5: When he has an opportunities to make plays, he makes plays,

2070
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 5: and he blocked. He blocked a lot in college. Now

2071
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 5: he's nobody's gonna mistake him for another left tackle. But

2072
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 5: for where he's coming in at as a rookie, I

2073
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 5: think you can get him to be for what you'd

2074
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:22,679
Speaker 5: want out of a tight end, a functional blocker.

2075
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:24,639
Speaker 4: I think he can be a truly well rounded guy.

2076
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 5: It's just a matter of would they have to take

2077
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:30,639
Speaker 5: him at sixty three or could they get him later.

2078
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 5: You know a lot of mocks have them taken him

2079
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 5: right now, with whatever that pick ends up being one,

2080
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 5: twenty four, one twenty five, that'd be great. I think

2081
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 5: he's gonna crush the combine. I think he's gonna be

2082
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 5: a top one hundred pick. That's I like Oscar Delp

2083
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 5: though I think he is. It's a good tight end class,

2084
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 5: but there's not a lot of well rounded players. It's

2085
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:51,519
Speaker 5: either really good receivers or really good blockers. Delp to me,

2086
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 5: is the guy that's gonna give you a little bit

2087
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 5: of everything. He's my guy for them.

2088
01:40:57,040 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like Delp. When I liked about him is

2089
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:04,640
Speaker 3: like he just is really fluid, right, He's really quickly

2090
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:08,879
Speaker 3: really yeah, you know he's not obviously nobody's like rock Bowers,

2091
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 3: but he looks like he looks like that Georgia tight end,

2092
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:16,680
Speaker 3: you know, like that sort of Scott Georgia. Yeah, like

2093
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 3: Georgia receiving tight end.

2094
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 4: Uh.

2095
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 3: And you see that, you know, that fluidity, that ability

2096
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,519
Speaker 3: you know in the first ten yards, Like you know,

2097
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 3: obviously when with tight end, you're gonna run the seam

2098
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 3: a lot, You're gonna run across the field a lot.

2099
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 3: And like, how quickly can you get on the linebackers

2100
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 3: is big? You know, can you get those linebackers to

2101
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:37,639
Speaker 3: really feel like they have to get out and get

2102
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 3: to depth because then you know that obviously allows you

2103
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 3: to run the ball more effectively when you get that

2104
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 3: whole thing sequenced together. So I see that, and I

2105
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,839
Speaker 3: think that he's got like some untapped potential as a blocker.

2106
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 3: You know, could they get his blocking a little bit better?

2107
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 3: Can he add some massive play strength in the NFL

2108
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 3: and fill out a little bit? Like I think that

2109
01:41:58,120 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 3: that's possibly possibly there with him. And then you know,

2110
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 3: when we had Dana on you know Brugler, he mentioned

2111
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,559
Speaker 3: just like some pure blocking tight ends, you know, guys

2112
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 3: that were pure blocking.

2113
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know.

2114
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 4: Draft too, that becomes your third guy.

2115
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So you know, is there a possibility that

2116
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 3: they double dip? You know, they have two fours and

2117
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:23,599
Speaker 3: they have four sixth round picks, so it's like one

2118
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:26,679
Speaker 3: of those sixth round picks. I don't remember exactly where

2119
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 3: where Jackson Hawes went, but like Bills Jackson Hawes on

2120
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:33,680
Speaker 3: Day three the draft, and you know, he's one of

2121
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 3: the best blocking tight ends in football as a rookie

2122
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 3: and like a really big part of what they did

2123
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 3: last year in the run game. So is that a

2124
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:43,760
Speaker 3: possibility that you you know, kind of double dip their

2125
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 3: one sort of receiving upside guy, one blocking upside guy.

2126
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 4: Do you remember who he mentioned for the blocking Titans.

2127
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 3: I was just trying to remember it. I remember him mentioning, uh,

2128
01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:05,120
Speaker 3: the guy Roush from Stanford Sam Rouse, no mention, Noakowski, Yes,

2129
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 3: that was the other one.

2130
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 4: I think the guy they stands the names.

2131
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, in a bore kicker from A and M.

2132
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,679
Speaker 3: Is like an h back full back type, right.

2133
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll get into the full back in a second.

2134
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 4: Weave an email about that. Have you watched day Kwon

2135
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 4: Wright from Ole miss ital No?

2136
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 3: I have.

2137
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 4: I we'll revisit that one later.

2138
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 5: I think you're gonna he's more of a pure pass catch,

2139
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 5: but I think you're gonna like him.

2140
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 4: Uh speak. We were talking about Georgia schools that no

2141
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 4: tight ends.

2142
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 5: Speaking of schools that no tight ends. Nate is in Iowa.

2143
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 5: This question is not actually about an Iowa tight end.

2144
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 5: I was curious if you've watched Eli Rearden, right. I

2145
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Speaker 5: think I'm pronouncing that right from Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: I haven't watched him specifically, no, but I have heard

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Speaker 3: the name, and you know Notre Dame tight ends, right, right,

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Speaker 3: so I have a do you have a take on him?

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Speaker 5: He might be kind of the day three Oscar del

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01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 5: you know, more well rounded than a lot of these guys,

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Speaker 5: but doesn't have the athleticism. I think that we'll see

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Speaker 5: what he tests. But I don't think he's the athlete

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Speaker 5: that Delp is. I think he's much.

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01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:07,679
Speaker 4: More of a pure chain mover.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look a Notre Damn tight Ends. You

2156
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 3: know they have a type there right Like I don't.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't really describe any of those Notreade Notre Damn

2158
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Speaker 3: tight Ends as great athletes like Kame Meyer. You know,

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Speaker 3: any of those guys, I wouldn't necessarily say any of

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Speaker 3: them are are great athletes.

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Speaker 5: Uh, all right, we do a question about fullback Sean

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01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 5: in Vancouver. The Patriots might be counting on brock Lampy

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01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 5: at fullback. We missed twenty twenty five on irs A

2164
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 5: wise put all their eggs in that basket with an

2165
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Speaker 5: undrafted free agent coming off of a serious injury. How

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01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 5: about bringing competition with a six round pick like Max

2167
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 5: Bretison from Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I would.

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01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:52,639
Speaker 5: Say if you draft a full back, he's your guy.

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Speaker 5: If you draft Max Bretison, he's your fullback. It's probably

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Speaker 5: it for Brock Lampy. You know, if it's another UDFA,

2172
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 5: then I you have a competition. I wouldn't hate them

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01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 5: bringing in somebody else. You know, competition is always good.

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Speaker 5: I think Lampy's really good fullback, though, I would not

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01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 5: be quick to give up on him. And if if

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01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 5: he can, if he's healthy, like he can play, so

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't rush to get rid of him. And I

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Speaker 5: think if you use a draft pick on him, it's

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Speaker 5: like long snapper, right, If you use a draft pick

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Speaker 5: on a full back, that's your fullback. Now, maybe they

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01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 5: keep two, like was it the Chargers that had two

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Speaker 5: fullbacks on their roster. Maybe Josh McDaniels wants to get wild, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they had they had those two guys,

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01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 3: and they're kind of like a line slash full rice right,

2185
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 3: and then played on defense at one point.

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Speaker 4: I like Brettison.

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01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 5: I don't think you need to use a draft pick

2188
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 5: on fullback competition. If you look at Bredison and you

2189
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 5: say he's much better than Lampy, we want him to

2190
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:47,680
Speaker 5: be our guy by all means, use the pick. I

2191
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 5: don't think you're doing that for competition though, like that's

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01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 5: your guy if you draft him. If not, you go

2193
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 5: and you know you going maybe going to the udfas

2194
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 5: you bring in somebody else. And there are some guys

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01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 5: in there Navy is like I think three two or

2196
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 5: three fullbacks in the draft this year.

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01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, they're they're there are a couple and uh,

2198
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 3: you know, I think that we fall back to. I

2199
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 3: just wonder. You know, they have those four six round

2200
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 3: picks I keep coming back to, and if you're gonna

2201
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 3: use all four of them, They're like, don't you need

2202
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 3: to have roles in mind for those players? And they

2203
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 3: just drafted a long snapper and they just drafted a kicker. Yeah,

2204
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come on nearer side of the street. I

2205
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 3: was like, could a punter be in the mix there?

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01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 5: So I was gonna say, one, they should not be

2207
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:36,720
Speaker 5: making all four of those picks. They trade move up,

2208
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:40,400
Speaker 5: but like, yeah, I wouldn't you know barriers going to

2209
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Speaker 5: the last year of his deal had he now punter

2210
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 5: is is we saw this last year with the kicker

2211
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,040
Speaker 5: and ended up working out who had a better.

2212
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:54,800
Speaker 4: Summer, Parker Romo or any Borgoalis.

2213
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 5: Like objectively was Romo but what do we keep saying

2214
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 5: the tie goes to the draft pick?

2215
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you're if.

2216
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 5: You draft a punter in a sixth round, he's probably

2217
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 5: your punter. If you sign a UDFA, that's more straight

2218
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 5: up competition for for Bearinger. Now he's going to last

2219
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:10,600
Speaker 5: year with his contract he had down yere. I'm not

2220
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 5: against the idea of them drafting a punter in the

2221
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:13,479
Speaker 5: sixth round.

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01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that's what it is. I would hope

2223
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 4: they don't make all all four of those picks, though

2224
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 4: they should be moving up.

2225
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 3: I would hope so too. But you know, a like

2226
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 3: how much are you really going to move up with

2227
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 3: fourth of the sixth round pick? Right? Like, maybe you

2228
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:26,920
Speaker 3: can get back into.

2229
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,920
Speaker 5: The two fourths too, Like a fourth and a fourth

2230
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 5: and two six might put you in back end of

2231
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 5: the third.

2232
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 3: Maybe. I mean though, usually when you look at those

2233
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:40,639
Speaker 3: trade value charts, that aren't like six round picks worth

2234
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 3: just like a couple points, right, Like, especially in the

2235
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 3: late part of the sixth round.

2236
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm thinking you turn two six and a fifth

2237
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 5: into a fourth, like.

2238
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look at I'm all for consolidating picks. I

2239
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 3: think them making eleven picks is crazy, like they don't

2240
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:00,240
Speaker 3: have eleven roster spots, and then you also are going

2241
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 3: to think about udfase, right, So like that was my

2242
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:07,600
Speaker 3: point about the full back and bringing up punter, is

2243
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,080
Speaker 3: that if you end up with multiple six round picks,

2244
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 3: you know, they'd say they have to make even two

2245
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:14,639
Speaker 3: or three six round picks. If any of those guys

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01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:17,759
Speaker 3: are gonna have a real chance of making a fifty

2247
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,640
Speaker 3: three band roster for them, it's probably gonna have to

2248
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 3: be a pretty unique situation. And they just drafted the

2249
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:25,600
Speaker 3: kicker and the long snappers, so it's not going to

2250
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:28,559
Speaker 3: be there. So it's punter, it's full back, like it's

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01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:29,559
Speaker 3: you know things like that.

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01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:31,640
Speaker 5: That's also where I go back to and and you

2253
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:34,800
Speaker 5: know they released Antonio Gibson. That where you find your

2254
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 5: kick returner, you know, whether it's Burying Brown somebody like that,

2255
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 5: Like that could be sparty draft kick returner. I got

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01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 5: a couple more emails here before we wrap it up

2257
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:50,000
Speaker 5: real quick. Uh, Brian Thomas Jr. We already talked about.

2258
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:56,320
Speaker 5: Thanks for the email, Brian in Florida. This one is

2259
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 5: from David in Bethlehem. Uh, Patriots had a great draft

2260
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:02,759
Speaker 5: last year and insight on how the evaluation process staff

2261
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 5: involved in Scouts have changed from the Belichick Mayo processes.

2262
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:09,640
Speaker 5: I think Wolf actually talked about that right yesterday a

2263
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 5: little bit.

2264
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 3: A little bit, yeah, So you know, I I think

2265
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:21,720
Speaker 3: the biggest thing with Mayo versus Rabel is that Mike

2266
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 3: Rabel has such a great vision of what they're going

2267
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:30,720
Speaker 3: to do schematically, how players fit the culture, right, you know,

2268
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:32,800
Speaker 3: all these different things of like what they look for

2269
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 3: in players. Yeah, and that goes from the archetypes that

2270
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 3: we talked about, you know, all show and that you know,

2271
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:42,479
Speaker 3: that sound at the top of the show, to culture

2272
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 3: and how they fit in the locker room. And I

2273
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 3: don't think that Gerrod Mayo necessarily was ready for that

2274
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 3: sort of aspect of it and had like a planner

2275
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,599
Speaker 3: or a vision for how you know, when somebody comes

2276
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 3: to him and said, well, you know what, what what

2277
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:58,600
Speaker 3: do you want our linebackers to do well? What do

2278
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 3: you want our safeties to do well? What do you

2279
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:01,679
Speaker 3: want our running backs to do well?

2280
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 13: Well?

2281
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:04,680
Speaker 3: Mike Rabel's got an answer for all of that. So

2282
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 3: I think that's a big part of it. I think

2283
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 3: the other part that is key in all this is

2284
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:14,600
Speaker 3: that with Belichick. To Vrabel, Belichick I think put a

2285
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:18,320
Speaker 3: lot of emphasis because he's, of course a coach. He

2286
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 3: put a lot of emphasis on what he and the

2287
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 3: coaching staff thought about players. And you know, we had

2288
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 3: Mark ross on from NFL Network with US today too,

2289
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:33,960
Speaker 3: and Mark mentioned when he sees mistakes from front offices,

2290
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 3: it's often because the scouts do all the legwork right

2291
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:41,600
Speaker 3: during the fall season, which is like ninety percent of

2292
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:46,680
Speaker 3: your evaluation what happens during the season, and then in February,

2293
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 3: the coaches start to come in and be like, you know,

2294
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 3: this guy tested well, this guy had a great interview

2295
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 3: or whatever, and then they end up going off of

2296
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 3: you know, this little bit of information from the post season,

2297
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:01,920
Speaker 3: you know, pre dract process versus going off the tape

2298
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 3: and what the scouts saw. And so I think that

2299
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 3: that was one thing that you know, sort of towards

2300
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 3: the end, especially we heard this right it was reported

2301
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 3: on that Belichick would kind of swoop in in February

2302
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 3: and just sort of make his own decisions and have

2303
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:18,840
Speaker 3: his you know, his own look at it. The other

2304
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 3: thing that I think that you know, I heard recently

2305
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:24,200
Speaker 3: in one of Elliott Wolfe's ten million interviews. Was that

2306
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 3: he they He said that he estimated that the Patriots

2307
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 3: had about two hundred players on their board. Last year,

2308
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:35,479
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick's board was like half that size, right, Like, yeah,

2309
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:38,240
Speaker 3: it was much much smaller than that. So, like, I

2310
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:40,640
Speaker 3: think that that's a big aspect of it too, is

2311
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:43,559
Speaker 3: you know, their their grading system has changed a little

2312
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 3: bit to where they're now really more focused on like

2313
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 3: best you know, overall player instead of like scheme fit

2314
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 3: and fits into the uh you know, into the puzzle.

2315
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 3: And then also like their board is much bigger, so there,

2316
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 3: I think they have a lot more flexibility there all.

2317
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 5: Right, Before we wrap it up because I was a

2318
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,720
Speaker 5: little late, it was one more thing. We're bringing back

2319
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 5: recency biased players this year. We didn't do it last year.

2320
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 4: It bummed me out. I enjoyed that. It was a

2321
01:52:10,439 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 4: fun thing.

2322
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 5: Give me one player, especially if it's somebody we haven't

2323
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:16,799
Speaker 5: talked about yet, just you've watched recently, or who've named

2324
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:19,639
Speaker 5: whose name you've heard out there, uh that you're excited

2325
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:21,760
Speaker 5: to watch whenever he works out at the combine.

2326
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 3: Well, I already mentioned Brazil, right, I think that's probably

2327
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 3: we did a whole thing. Wait that one for this,

2328
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 3: I would say, hmmm, this one's actually might might surprise

2329
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 3: you a little bit. So I'll go at this one.

2330
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 3: And there is a statement Okay, well yeah, I mean

2331
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 3: he's just awesome, like, but he's gonna go. Yeah, I

2332
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 3: think he's going to go in the top.

2333
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:53,600
Speaker 4: Would you be okay with them taking a guard in

2334
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 4: the first round?

2335
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:56,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that alright. That guy's a dude.

2336
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 4: All right.

2337
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 3: Tell you, if you're gonna convince me on a guard,

2338
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 3: you better have like fifteen pancakes a game. And that

2339
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 3: guy does right, No, but the other guy that I'm

2340
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 3: gonna mention is actually going to be a guard. So

2341
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:10,720
Speaker 3: this is going to surprise you. A kind of in

2342
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 3: on Jennings Dunker. Yeah that and and I think the

2343
01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:19,000
Speaker 3: big reason why is, uh, you know, I'm kind of

2344
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 3: in on the whole tackle to guard thing, right, I

2345
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 3: think that that has been really successful over the course

2346
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 3: of of really ever like all, like, I can name

2347
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 3: you a dozen guys that played tackle in college that

2348
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:34,400
Speaker 3: went inside the guarden and have been awesome guards in

2349
01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 3: the pros, you know, just for the Patriots, Logan Mankins,

2350
01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:40,240
Speaker 3: Joe Toney, like, you know, just those types of guys. Uh,

2351
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 3: he's going to be a guarden in the pros. He

2352
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 3: played right tackle at Iowa, and we talked about at

2353
01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:47,559
Speaker 3: the beginning of the show at the first hour. You know,

2354
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 3: them needing to add play strength, them, they need to

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Speaker 3: add nastiness, them needing to add you know, some tone setters,

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Speaker 3: some uh you know, knee biers, you know on that

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Speaker 3: offensive line. And isn't that him?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's exactly it. And like in the in

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Speaker 4: the best way possible.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when he gets on the field, Yeah, he wants

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Speaker 5: to make other people's lives miserable.

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Speaker 4: Like the other team, he wants to make the lives miserable.

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Speaker 3: Right, And I think they need a little bit of that.

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Speaker 3: I think that his you know, his skill set will

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Speaker 3: will translate really well to guard. You know, he can

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Speaker 3: definitely play left guard. As a college tackle, He's going

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Speaker 3: to have the range and the pass blocking ability to

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Speaker 3: play on the left side. Uh, you know, as a

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Speaker 3: guard in the pros. He brings the nastiness to it.

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Speaker 3: I think the one question is is like, is he

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Speaker 3: going to go too high? Right, You're not going to

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Speaker 3: take anything.

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Speaker 5: Where are they going to take him? That that's the

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Speaker 5: question with him, right, If they can make it way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know is does he fall to sixty three?

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Speaker 3: Do you trade up a little bit? I just watched

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Speaker 3: him play and I was like, well, that's a Mike

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Speaker 3: Rabel defensive lineman, right, Like that's a guy that finishes

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Speaker 3: and does all the things that Mike Rabel would like.

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Speaker 4: Real quick for me.

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Speaker 5: Danise Dennis Sutton, Penn State edge rusher, late to day two.

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Speaker 5: Pick one of those guys. You know, I have a

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Speaker 5: couple of these guys each year. You watch the previous

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Speaker 5: year's tape and then you watched the year before that,

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Speaker 5: and it's two different players. And you know, he fell

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Speaker 5: a lot. He was supposed to be a fringe first

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Speaker 5: round pick. I think that Penn State program was a

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Speaker 5: mess this year. That didn't help him. He should test

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Speaker 5: wealt the combine, you know, if they don't go edge

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Speaker 5: at the top. He's somebody I like, Denie Dennis Sutton.

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Speaker 5: We'll be back to break it down all next week, Evan,

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Speaker 5: We'll be back in studio. We'll have all the workouts

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Speaker 5: talk about and really start taking into it. Plus free

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Speaker 5: agency will only be like a week away at that

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Speaker 5: point as well, which is crazy. So thanks ever of

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