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Speaker 3: too many cats? We get all that and more, and

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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about the Mayfair Hotel,

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Speaker 3: which is one of these hotels that the city of

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Speaker 3: la has been using as part of Project Room Key.

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Speaker 3: And what a catastrophe, a financial catastrophe and basically representative

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Speaker 3: of what a catastrophe The homeless plague continues to be

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Speaker 3: the matter what program you come up with the fact

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Speaker 3: that government is being asked to unravel broken lives at

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Speaker 3: set such a micro level, it just seems like an

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Speaker 3: impossible task at this point. But we'll get into that

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Speaker 3: story in just a bit. Obviously, the big story is

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Speaker 3: the tropical storm that we have not seen the likes

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Speaker 3: of which in almost ninety years here in southern California.

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Speaker 4: For the most part, we've got very, very lucky.

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Speaker 3: We had heavy rain, some wind in a lot of places,

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Speaker 3: some isolated flooding and damage here and there. There are

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Speaker 3: a couple of areas that were badly at, particularly Palm

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Speaker 3: a recap of this event, it's a pleasure to welcome.

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Speaker 3: ABC News corresponded. Jason Nathan sent Jason, how are you hey?

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Speaker 2: Good to be here and looking outside and looking at

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Speaker 2: blue skies, which is quite a change from from yesterday

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 3: And now we're gonna have heat with humidity, and we're

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Speaker 3: gonna be We're gonna be Houston, which.

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Speaker 2: Is not what we signed up for. No, that's not

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Speaker 2: in southern California. That you can one hundred and five

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Speaker 1: But it's a dry.

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Speaker 3: Heat exactly by the way, it can't be one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fourteen. That's when it gets crazy. And I live

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Speaker 3: one ten, one hundred and twelve hundred fourteen. It's just insane.

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Speaker 3: We had the entire you know, and I actually should

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Speaker 3: have ask this. The folks to live in like live

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Speaker 3: out past Sarah bernard east of San Bernardino, and it's

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Speaker 3: like another twenty miles, folks, another twenty miles you get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exact birderstood that. Yeah, I mean people say that

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Speaker 2: for us who live in the valley.

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Speaker 4: Though, right, like the idiot the kids live in Santa Monica.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, another ten ten miles and it's it's beautiful. You

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Speaker 3: So all right, so let's get into this again. We

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Speaker 3: kind of got lucky.

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Speaker 2: We did. We did, But it was one of those

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Speaker 2: Everybody's stocking up, and oftentimes it's not as impactful as

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Speaker 2: It was raining significantly yesterday. I think most people who

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're driving around at times like I was,

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Speaker 2: was certainly not something we've seen in a while. The

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Speaker 3: Is that astonishing amount of rain. That's a lot of snow,

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Speaker 2: And there's been some pretty dramatic pictures of in the

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Speaker 1: But there's some dramatic.

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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people were talking about how

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Speaker 2: you know, this is the first tropical storm since like

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirty nine to hit, which there's some dispute on

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Speaker 2: those terms, but it's like a meteorological dispute.

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Speaker 3: Jason Nathanson, By the way, ABC correspond let's talk about

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Speaker 3: the future for a second. Jason because two things about

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Speaker 3: the future. One is we have seen after these heavy rains.

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Speaker 3: For instance, a couple of years ago there was a

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Speaker 3: preliminarily that the heavy rains over the winter may have

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Speaker 3: it is possible that this massive amount of rain in

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Speaker 2: It is possible, but it's very interesting and there are

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Speaker 2: a couple of interesting scenarios. Because we did see so

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Speaker 2: It allowed a lot of growth, right, so you didn't

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Speaker 2: That's always going to be the case, but this could

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Speaker 3: Now. The other aspect of the future aftermath of Tropical

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Speaker 3: there's no big deal, because hurricanes, I've been through a

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Speaker 2: And the thing is what makes this doubly not funny

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Speaker 2: and they certainly aren't prepared for earthquakes. Well, that's a

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, the thing is we live in the

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Speaker 3: A couple of days. But for the most part, millions

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's good is all the water and food

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm still eating freeze dried tuna fish for my

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. The food I eat doesn't have

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Speaker 3: an expiration date, Jason. That's the thing. You know, we

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Speaker 3: were guilty of over hyping these events. But then that's

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Speaker 4: Bob.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know it's it's boy who cried

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Speaker 2: and we were expecting rain. We knew that this was

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Speaker 4: Too much experience with that. Jason, thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: ABC corresponded Jason and Nathan said, all right, coming up,

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Speaker 3: And they're doing this in New York and other cities.

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Speaker 3: Mayfair Hotel is a two hundred ninety four room boutique

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Speaker 3: Forty seven hundred dollars a month. That's a mortgage payment.

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Speaker 3: It's the prices we built those, you know, the low

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Speaker 3: In addition to San Bernardino Mountains area on Palm Springs.

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Speaker 4: To talk about this, it's a.

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Speaker 3: Man who we turned to for these kinds of things

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Speaker 3: because he's an expert real estate attorney and the host

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Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Spira, Steven, how are you?

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Speaker 6: I am well, dog, good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's look, we know, you know, you

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Speaker 6: Couldn't You couldn't. No, that's right. You have tremendous price

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Speaker 4: Okay, but now.

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Speaker 6: There's no land no, that's right, And it costs more

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Speaker 3: Okay, so now we've read we all know, we understand

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Speaker 6: then how are you going to get services to them?

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Speaker 6: So it has to be in areas where you have employment.

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Speaker 6: Jobs are the key, now is it?

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Speaker 3: We're talking about Steven Spear by the way, real estate

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Speaker 3: attorney he owes to show on talk radio one dot com.

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Speaker 4: That's one not number one.

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Speaker 3: Talk radio one dot com is the you know. We

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Speaker 3: know during COVID people were working remotely, and many, many,

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Speaker 3: many millions of people are still working remotely, at least

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Speaker 3: for part of the work. In fact, the employers are

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Speaker 3: now starting to beg their employees to come back to

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Speaker 3: work or issering mandates either come back to work or

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Speaker 3: find another job. But is that still a minimal amount

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Speaker 3: of employment? Because you would think that given the demand

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Speaker 3: for workers, the need for workers and the workers need

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Speaker 3: for housing, that people could go to places where land

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Speaker 3: is more abundant and you could build homes and they

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Speaker 3: could work remotely.

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Speaker 6: On the one hand, things are never going to go

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Speaker 6: back to the way they were before COVID. There was

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Speaker 6: already a move to having remote work before COVID, people

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Speaker 6: wanted to work at home and there was a lot

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Speaker 6: of talk about work life balance. It's never going to

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Speaker 6: go back to the way it was. And as soon

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Speaker 6: as unemployment rises to about five or six percent, you're

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Speaker 6: going to see all the employers who right now are

463
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Speaker 6: tensely holding their breath. They're all going to say, okay, guys,

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Speaker 6: if you want to work, you're coming back into the office,

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Speaker 6: and they'll be able to say there are if you

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Speaker 6: don't want this job, there are five other people who

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Speaker 6: want this job who will come to the office and

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Speaker 6: you'll see that greatly reduced. So whether the high expense

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Speaker 6: office space, the most expensive luxury office space is really

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Speaker 6: going to come back in full strength, I question that.

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Speaker 6: But a lot of the small to medium sized businesses

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Speaker 6: that are right now are tolerating people working elsewhere where.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't really work. It works well in some situations

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Speaker 6: but where they're tolerating, where it doesn't really work, they're

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Speaker 6: going to snap that back and then the commute is

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Speaker 6: going to make a difference. Again, if you can work

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Speaker 6: in Nebraska and you're employed in Utah, that's fine. But

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Speaker 6: if you need to come into the office, you need

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Speaker 6: housing relatively close to the office for practical human and

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Speaker 6: environmental concerns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, other than writers and actors right now, the labor shortage,

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Speaker 3: it means that people who are looking for work or

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Speaker 3: employed have muscle. I told the story earlier in the

484
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Speaker 3: show that I was in the bank this morning and

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Speaker 3: one of the teller's in the bank was dressed as

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Speaker 3: if she was, you know, at Walmart. You know, you'd

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Speaker 3: never would have seen somebody working on a bank dress

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Speaker 3: like you see it in a radio stack.

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Speaker 4: By the way, she was overdressed for a radio station.

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Speaker 3: But but I just got a feeling if we had

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Speaker 3: ten percent of employment, somebody would saying put on a go,

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Speaker 3: get a suit and tie a tie.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Steven, thanks so much for being with us. We

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Speaker 4: really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Steven Spirit Talk radio one, dot com and real estate attorney.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll talk with Conway if he lowers himself if

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Speaker 3: he will stoop to come in and do some cross

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Speaker 3: talk with us, and we will ask the question, all right,

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Speaker 3: what what's the deal with eighty kats?

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Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 5: AM six.

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Speaker 3: Forty mctyre with you in for John and Ken, and

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Speaker 3: we'll try it again tomorrow. By the way, the wife

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Speaker 3: Penny Peiser has her show Son of Some SUBURBI You're

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Speaker 3: gonna be at the Stephanie Fury Theater September sixth and

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Speaker 3: twentieth at seven pm as part of the Independent Theater Festival,

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Speaker 3: and I'll tell you more about that. And have I mentioned,

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Speaker 3: by the way seven hundred times that I have a

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Speaker 3: book out called Frank's Shadow that's at Barnes and Noble

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Speaker 3: and Amazon of course, and you can get signed copies

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Speaker 3: at Doug McIntyre dot com. And I'm actually going to

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Speaker 3: be at the Barnes Noble in Burbank on September twenty

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Speaker 3: fourth from two to four, which is a Sunday, So

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Speaker 3: come on out and say hello if you have a

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Speaker 3: great memory and you can remember that far ahead. So

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Speaker 3: we're cat people. My wife and I were cat people.

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Speaker 3: We have two cats. One is named Lenny and one

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Speaker 3: is named Lizzie. Not that you need to know that,

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Speaker 3: but it's a little personal interest. So that's we have

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Speaker 3: a hard limit. We have a hard limit on two cats.

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Speaker 3: And the reason is because and I admit that I'm

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Speaker 3: the crazy cat lady of the two of us, I'm

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Speaker 3: the crazy cat lady in the house. If the wife

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Speaker 3: did not throw down the gauntlet that two were maxed

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Speaker 3: out on the cats, I could be the person that

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Speaker 3: has eighty. And that's exactly what happened. A woman in

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Speaker 3: East Vale in Realside County had eighty cats. So they

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Speaker 3: came in and they took the cats away because it's

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Speaker 3: not healthy, to say the least.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And now, if you are out in the.

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Speaker 3: Riverside area and go to shelter info at RIVCO dot

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Speaker 3: org rivco dot org, and they've all been treated by

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Speaker 3: the veterinarian staff at the San Jacinto Valley Animal Campus.

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Speaker 3: So there's eighty cats up for grabs an adoption there.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of eighty cats, here comes one now. But it's

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Speaker 3: a hard, hard limit. Two cats is acceptable. Once you

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Speaker 3: get through the third cat, it's the gateway cat and

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Speaker 3: there's nothing stopping you until you're the woman with eighty

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Speaker 3: cats and Riverside.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Single It doesn't say, but that's a pretty good They

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Speaker 3: don't have to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's applied. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But did you tell the story about Who's Cooter?

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Speaker 4: Which? Which story?

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Speaker 7: The one where you brought the cat home from adoption

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Speaker 7: and it needed a six hundred dollars surgery?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah I did.

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Speaker 3: I got the cat at the Burbank Animal shelter for

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Speaker 3: six dollars, all right, And and within and the car,

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Speaker 3: the cat was farting, and I thought, well, this is

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Speaker 3: just unpleasant. And then the cat started to swell up

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Speaker 3: on the Macy's balloon. I take it to the vet

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Speaker 3: six hundred dollars. There was a piece of tissue. They

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Speaker 3: had spade the cat left a piece of tissue in

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Speaker 3: the cat. Poor thing was suffering six hundred dollars. Uh,

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Speaker 3: six hundred dollars surgery. And I took the VET bill

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Speaker 3: and I taped it to the baseboard right above the

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Speaker 3: food ball because I forget I could have gotten two

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Speaker 3: hundred more cash.

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Speaker 1: Surely there's gotta be.

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Speaker 4: A good one. He's got one. They got me a

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Speaker 4: winner in there somewhere.

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Speaker 1: That's great, man.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Well we got the storm.

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Speaker 4: Wrap up.

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Speaker 1: We do. We're wrapping up the storm.

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Speaker 4: We've done some of that here today.

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Speaker 7: Have you ever been through a tropical storm or hurricane?

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Speaker 4: Many?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: Is this the typical weather afterods?

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Speaker 3: Well, frequently, yes, you get beautiful, all the energy's gone.

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Speaker 3: But to me in the West Valley, we had no wind.

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Speaker 3: We had just rain, heavy rain, but no wind. And

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Speaker 3: that's very unusual because they usually come with plenty of winds.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, and uh, did you get the three am

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Speaker 7: wake up call?

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Speaker 4: Yes, you got the I got the Uh.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to throw the phone across the road.

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Speaker 7: I had just gone to sleep right and and then bang,

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Speaker 7: and I thought, is an earthquake coming. It's a you know, lightning,

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Speaker 7: it's a wind, it's whatever. And it was nothing.

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Speaker 4: No, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was for the vast majority of southern California. Mercifully

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Speaker 3: it was rain.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 7: Also, it's a knee jerk reaction by the government. Remember

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Speaker 7: the the Chinese balloon that we shot down. We wait

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Speaker 7: till that thing was was over the ocean, then hit down.

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Speaker 7: Then after that everything that moved. There wasn't a chief light.

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Speaker 7: The vegas was coming down.

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Speaker 4: Spirit Airlines landed one flane.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not wild, but that it's the overreaction.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing, and then this, which.

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Speaker 5: I don't mind.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather overreacting, underreach, then be the dope.

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Speaker 3: That's Roby who didn't bless the siren. That's right, that's right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and that's why. But here's the problem. The hangover of

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Speaker 3: this is now the next time this happens, and we

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Speaker 3: could see this on a regular basis, given what's going

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Speaker 3: on in the world, people say, well, the tropical sum

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Speaker 3: is no big deal. It's no big deal. We went

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Speaker 3: through that one in twenty twenty three. It was no

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Speaker 3: big deal.

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Speaker 4: And then you get hammered.

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Speaker 7: Right like like the next time they say I stay

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Speaker 7: home because of a virus, people are gonna go We've done.

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Speaker 3: We've done that, been there, done that. And you know,

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Speaker 3: there was the guy Harry Truman was his name, up

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Speaker 3: on Mount you know, up there on Mount in Washing Mount,

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Speaker 3: which is the one that blew up the volcano. Oh

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Speaker 3: not Saint Helen's. He was up there saying, no, I've

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Speaker 3: been on this mountain my whole life. Yuess what, He's

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Speaker 3: permanently on that mount.

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Speaker 7: He's now frozen and ash he's gonna be like POMPEII.

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Speaker 3: They'll find him someday, you know, his walkman on his

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Speaker 3: head from that.

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Speaker 7: Great anyway, So it looks like the people that got.

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Speaker 1: It the worst of the people out in the desert,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I was just watching.

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Speaker 3: We kind of ignored this, but the Venturer County took

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Speaker 3: a pounding from the rain, a lot, a lot of

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Speaker 3: flooding up there too.

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Speaker 7: Well before the you know when people before the storm

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Speaker 7: became really active on the east side of town. We

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Speaker 7: had a lot of people with memes making fun of

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Speaker 7: the storm. Yeah, and what did Mother Nature do through

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Speaker 7: and through one right in our in our gut with that,

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Speaker 7: with that earthquake, Like, look, I can do a lot of.

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Speaker 3: The prettier the place you live, the more dangerous it

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Speaker 3: is to live there, because it's what nature is, what

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Speaker 3: makes it pretty, that's right, and you don't think about

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Speaker 3: all the stuff it took to make it look like that.

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Speaker 7: But but I will say this though, when when a

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Speaker 7: when a major disaster happens, we can we all you know,

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Speaker 7: we're not.

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Speaker 1: We're not stealing.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry to cut you off. Well, we've got to

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Speaker 4: make room for Tim Conway Jr.

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Speaker 1: All Right, what's that guy gonna do?

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Speaker 4: McIntyre infant for Johnny Ken th door.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you've been listening to The John and Ken Show.

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Speaker 2: You can always hear us live on k if I

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Speaker 2: Am six forty one pm to four pm every Monday

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