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Speaker 1: Stephanie Goss, describing Palm Beach Epstein. His name will now

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Speaker 1: witnessed as mister Epstein's chauffeur, and he provided me a

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Speaker 1: dossier of credit card receipt that also contained names of

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Speaker 1: new women, addresses and hideaways that we weren't aware of

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Speaker 1: prior to that. That is part of the book Dead

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Speaker 1: Mental Hotels. And what he told me was it became

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Speaker 1: a joke that they would call him the pedophile, and

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Speaker 1: they would talk about how depraved he was, but they

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Speaker 1: didn't quite know exactly the true extent because they were

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Speaker 1: sure that they would wait outside the buildings and never

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Speaker 1: came in. He was always at the bottom of the runway,

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Speaker 1: so he could never see the faces of the people

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Speaker 1: who were getting in the car. He did see one

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Speaker 1: woman who he thought was young enough to be Epstein's niece.

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Speaker 1: Now we now know that that was probably a victim

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Speaker 1: of mister Epstein's. In the research and reporting that we

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Speaker 1: did from the materials that the chauffeur provided us, we

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Speaker 1: found these new victims, new names, and as we saw

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Speaker 1: that how their lives had become since those incidents, it

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Speaker 1: was haunting. There were so many cases of drug abuse,

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Speaker 1: prostitution rests, and the damage that Epstein did not just

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Speaker 1: during the abuse of while he was using these women

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Speaker 1: as his playthings, but after the fact, the decades and

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Speaker 1: years of personal pain that they endured because of that

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Speaker 1: was really incredibly disturbing. Jolan, what can you tell me

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Speaker 1: speaking of interviews, you guys actually interviewed Epstein's jail mate

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Speaker 1: who witnessed his for a suicide attempt. What did you learn, Dylan.

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Speaker 1: We learned that Epstein had been in a despondent mood,

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Speaker 1: which does give credence to the thought that he may

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Speaker 1: have actually tried to commit suicide and ultimately was successful

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Speaker 1: in pursuit of that. But he says that Epstein, in

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Speaker 1: the time when he committed what attempted to commit suicide,

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Speaker 1: had been eating off the floor of the jail. He

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Speaker 1: was discovered by correctional officers, they had zero sympathy for him,

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Speaker 1: and they dropped him on the concrete and his head

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Speaker 1: hit the concrete so hard that the stud could be

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Speaker 1: heard throughout the Metropolitan Correction Center here in Manhattan. So

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Speaker 1: you know, there are varying inconsistent stories here, victim's rights

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Speaker 1: advocates all say, from Gloria Alread to Spencer Couven, another lawyer,

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Speaker 1: and Lisa Bloom, that they're not prepared to rule out

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Speaker 1: the possibility of murder in the instance of Jeffrey's death.

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Speaker 1: Others suggest he was so despondent that he was ready

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Speaker 1: to commit suicide because he knew there was no light

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Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel, and that that's why

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Speaker 1: he prepared a will in the two days before his

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Speaker 1: death that bequeathed all his money and his estate to

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Speaker 1: his brother. In the totality of these many more un

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Speaker 1: answered questions in Shore, the book does shed some phenomenal

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Speaker 1: and at times riveting details about the inner workings of

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Speaker 1: his operation. But I still am left with this lingering

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Speaker 1: failing that we don't know at all, and we must

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Speaker 1: know it all. Take a listen to this, our friends

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Speaker 1: at CBS. Apstein was involved with at least forty underage girls,

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Speaker 1: some of whom he had sex with, according to court

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Speaker 1: filings obtained by NBC News. Several of his accusers speaking

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Speaker 1: out for the first time to the Miami Herald, I

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Speaker 1: was sixteen, I was sixteen. I started going to him

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Speaker 1: when I was like fourteen, fifteen, fourteen, turning fifteen. A

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Speaker 1: report from the Palm Beach Police Department alleges the girls

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Speaker 1: were promised money in exchange for massages, and that a

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Speaker 1: female who recruited young teens for the tycoon allegedly told

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Speaker 1: one victim, the more you do, the more you get paid.

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Speaker 1: He just laid down in his towel on his stomach

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Speaker 1: and he was just talking to people on the phone.

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Speaker 1: When he flipped flipped over. That's when he said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you can go ahead and take off your shirt and pants.

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Speaker 1: The accounts include accusations from indecent exposure to inappropriate touching

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Speaker 1: to rape. The book is Dead Men Tell No Tells.

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Speaker 1: You can get it on Amazon and with me Dylan Howard,

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Speaker 1: Melissa Cronin, James Robertson, who literally wrote the book. And

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Speaker 1: I can guarantee this it ain't over yet. It's a

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Speaker 1: comment on our justice system when you three must be

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Speaker 1: in together to seek the truth instead of law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: I've got a feeling your next will be coming out

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Speaker 1: a very very soon. Dylan, Melissa, James. Thank you. Please.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know more, go to Amazon read

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Speaker 1: Dead Men Tell no tells Yourself Nancy Gray's crime story,

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,