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Speaker 1: Hey, this is our Welcome to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Junior.

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Speaker 3: Jim Salisbury Todds A lucky Hey everybody, It's Labor Day.

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Speaker 3: It's Monday, September one, twenty twenty five. The calendar has flipped.

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Speaker 3: It's officially fall. School is starting, football is starting. The

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Speaker 3: Pennant race?

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Speaker 4: Is that just heating up?

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Speaker 2: How are you guys?

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Speaker 5: Doing good?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 1: A little tired, but I'm doing See how bright eyed

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Speaker 1: and bushy tailed I am, Rubin, you look great. Don't

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Speaker 1: kid yourself, Ruben.

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Speaker 3: You were in Cleveland over the weekend doing the thirty

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Speaker 3: year anniversary of the AL champion Cleveland Indian celebration, and

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Speaker 3: now you're going to be in Milwaukee doing the game.

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Speaker 1: I'll say it was a great It was a great

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Speaker 1: time with my boys. Got a chance to see Jim Tomy,

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Speaker 1: Charlie Naggy, my old teammate and roommate, uh, carlos by Erga,

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Speaker 1: Kenny Lofton, Uh, just so many great people. And I

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Speaker 1: got to see a good old friend of mine named

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Speaker 1: Carl Willis the Train who was a pitching coach for

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Speaker 1: a long long time and has been with Cleveland and

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Speaker 1: was with Seattle, and I was with him in Boston.

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Speaker 1: Great people. It was just a really really good time

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Speaker 1: getting back and doing some serious reminiscing and talking about

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Speaker 1: old school baseball and us all commimorating about how the

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Speaker 1: game has changed.

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Speaker 6: You were a bunch of grumpy old men talking about

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Speaker 6: how the game was better.

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Speaker 5: It was better when you played it.

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Speaker 1: We were old men on the lawn, baby, old men

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Speaker 1: on the lawn. Should you do?

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Speaker 6: I gotta ask you, did you do any detective work

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Speaker 6: on the cartwheel story?

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Speaker 3: The people that did not listen on Thursday? Jim, you

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Speaker 3: tell the story real quick well.

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Speaker 6: Rubin mentioned he was with all his old Cleveland teammates

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Speaker 6: and how he was hoping that Jose Mesa and Omar

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of bad blood there.

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Speaker 6: And I had heard the root of the bad blood

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Speaker 6: was a hilarious story that there was an intersquad game

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Speaker 6: one year in spring training where Viskel hit a walk

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Speaker 6: off home run against Mesa and proceeded to do a

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Speaker 6: cartwheel across home plate and Mason did not take that

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Speaker 6: very well and it started a lifelong feud.

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Speaker 5: Any truth, Ruben, So.

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Speaker 1: It is a true story. A couple of different pieces

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Speaker 1: of this story it was a home run, was a

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Speaker 1: walk off, and our man Paul Hoins was the man

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Speaker 1: who actually corroborated your story. But Paul Hoins hopefully going

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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame here shortly. Yes, But anyway,

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Speaker 1: Hoynsey's a great, great human being and a great writer

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Speaker 1: for long long time. I'm there for the Cleveland Dealer.

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Speaker 1: I believe in its plain dealer, plain dealer. Anyway, I

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Speaker 1: asked him, talked to him about it, and he said, yes,

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Speaker 1: he does remember that. I did not remember it. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if I must have been at the game

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Speaker 1: because it was in spring training, because it was an

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Speaker 1: interest squad game, and there has been I mean, that

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Speaker 1: was a many of the reasons why they've one of

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Speaker 1: the many reasons that these two had some bad blood.

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Speaker 1: Omarvis Scale wrote in his book about how much of

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Speaker 1: a woos Jose Mason was and couldn't finish the deal

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Speaker 1: in ninety seven. So from that point on, Jose was

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Speaker 1: a good adrilling every time he based him, which was

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Speaker 1: a problem for me when I was a GM and

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Speaker 1: assistant GM. Anyway, Yeah, he corroborated the story. It did happen,

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Speaker 1: and apparently as athletic as Omarvis scale was he didn't

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Speaker 1: really even know how to do a cartwheel, so it

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Speaker 1: was like a fake ass cartwheel, Like it.

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Speaker 7: Was like a.

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Speaker 1: Discombobulated one would do, yeah, or something I would do

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Speaker 1: right now, There's no doubt that I could do like

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Speaker 1: maybe a one eighth of a wheel. It would be

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Speaker 1: more like a trike trike wheel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, Hoynes, he's the guy. He's the guy who told

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Speaker 6: me that story years ago. And I just remember, like

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Speaker 6: I couldn't stop laughing when I heard it. I could

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Speaker 6: just picture it in my mind's eye, and knowing a

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Speaker 6: little bit about Jose Mace's personality, I could see where

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Speaker 6: that would have just just ticked him off to no

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Speaker 6: when Oh, the other.

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Speaker 1: Guy I wanted to mention was Bud Black. I spent

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Speaker 1: a lot of time with Bud. I've known him for

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Speaker 1: a long time. And he's been let go by the

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Speaker 1: White Sox.

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Speaker 7: He said, he's been on the on the throttle, he's

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Speaker 7: been on let go by Colorado, a longtime manager there,

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Speaker 7: great human being, just to as Salt of the Earth man,

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Speaker 7: great great person.

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Speaker 1: I think he still going to stay in the game

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Speaker 1: some way somehow. But but he said since he's had

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Speaker 1: a lot of free time on his hands. Obviously, managers

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Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of free time on their

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Speaker 1: hands when they're in it. But he said he's been

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Speaker 1: on the UH on the return tour as of like

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Speaker 1: the reunion tour. He had like a fifty year reunion

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Speaker 1: for high school or something and UH, and he's had

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Speaker 1: this a couple of Oh, he went on the tour

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Speaker 1: for the nineteen eighty five UH.

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Speaker 3: Royal.

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Speaker 1: The Royals team unbeliev They had an unbelievable rotation. I

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Speaker 1: think it was Gooba Saw Sam. I believe Danny Jackson

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Speaker 6: Youngster Danny Jackson, Yeah, great rotation.

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Speaker 1: I mean Guba Saw was unbelievable. He was like, do

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Speaker 1: you know that, Uh, Elias had him rated as the

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Speaker 1: highest number one player player in baseball for.

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Speaker 4: Two years in a row. Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: He was spent on Elias rankings and weird rankings, but

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Speaker 1: but pretty pretty impressive. That was the end all be

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Speaker 1: all back then.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I remember the Alias rankings. They used to

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Speaker 6: like do free agency off that, right of.

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Speaker 4: Course, of course that was That's funny.

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Speaker 3: Well, guys, Ruben, I'm glad you had a great time

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Speaker 3: with hanging out with your Cleveland guys. Glad you did

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Speaker 3: some reporting for the Philly Show. Very important. We needed

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Speaker 3: that story corroborated.

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Speaker 1: I'm here for you.

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Speaker 3: The Phillies, the Phillies while while you're away, Ruben. The

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Speaker 3: Phillies had a huge bounce back weekend. Didn't didn't end

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Speaker 3: the way that they wanted it to, but they kind

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Speaker 3: of righted the ship, so to speak. And let's talk

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Speaker 2: Last week, we did a whole show on how.

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Speaker 3: The Phillies just flopped in New York. Seven game lead

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Speaker 3: dwindles down to four. Mets fans are riding high. Phillies

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Speaker 3: fans are saying, this is gonna happen again in the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's all upset and understandably so. Real issues there if

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Speaker 3: the Phillies should happen to face the Mets again in

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Speaker 3: the postseason, depending on where the seating ranks up, it

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Speaker 3: could be Wild Card, it could be NLCS, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: But then the Phillies answer back on Thursday night, Kyle

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Speaker 3: Schwarber hits four home runs, ties a major league record,

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Speaker 3: and then they win Friday night, they win, Saturday night,

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Speaker 3: they lose Sunday. So as we wake up on Monday morning,

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Speaker 3: the Phillies have a six game lead over the Mets

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Speaker 3: in the National Leagueest because guess what the Mets did

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Speaker 3: against the Marlins.

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Speaker 1: They crept on themselves. They themselves, they did.

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Speaker 2: They crapped on themselves some sloppy play.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a one inning I think where they

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Speaker 3: I was watching the Mets postgame show on Sunday just

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Speaker 3: to kind of get the temperature of the the Mets fans.

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Speaker 4: They're not real happy.

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Speaker 3: They're what's going on CODEI seingo, what's going on with

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Speaker 3: you know? So there's it's it's funny how much things

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Speaker 3: can change in just a literally a few days. Sky

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Speaker 3: is falling in New York on Monday. And the Phillies

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Speaker 3: of course have a big series against the Brewers beginning

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Speaker 3: on Monday. But would you guys think of the little

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Speaker 3: bounce back. How the Phillies answered that that awful, awful

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Speaker 6: I thought it was tremendous on the Phillies part. You

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Speaker 6: take three, three or four. I know the Braves are

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Speaker 6: not you know, the Braves were accustomed seeing they're not

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Speaker 6: going to make their annual trip to October this year.

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Speaker 5: They've been banged up, having a down year.

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Speaker 6: But I don't care who's on the schedule that you know,

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Speaker 5: And they did that three or four. Like I said,

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Speaker 6: You know, the Mets series, you got to view it

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Speaker 6: it started. The bounce back started in Game one against Atlanta.

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Speaker 6: Noly gives up three in the first, but they come

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Speaker 6: you know, the sky ain't falling anymore.

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Speaker 5: That's baseball.

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Speaker 6: Some days, some days you are as low as you

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Speaker 6: That's why it's always important to keep perspective and view

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Speaker 6: it through the long range prism. It's okay to be

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Speaker 6: Phillies certainly do seem to bring out the best in

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Speaker 6: the Mets. But you know they're gonna have another shot

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Speaker 6: next week to to change the narrative narrative a little bit,

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Speaker 6: and I think it is important. But you know, first

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Speaker 6: And I think the Phillies did a pretty good job

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Speaker 5: The weekend against the Braves.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to under think about a nineteen run game,

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Speaker 1: you know, where you beat a team by, you know,

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Speaker 1: by a whole boatload of runs as a character win.

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Speaker 1: But it would be really easy for them when Nola

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Speaker 1: he gave up early because he wasn't sharp early, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't and they kept pounding the baseball and they,

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Speaker 1: you know, they sort of put that game out of reach.

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Speaker 1: But a couple of things that I see in that

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Speaker 1: series that were big. One Nola bouncing back and finishing

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Speaker 2: It's Monday.

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Speaker 3: It's time for Manco Manco Best Week, Manco and Manco

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Speaker 3: Best Week.

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Speaker 2: Because it is the best of the best.

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Speaker 3: It's where we pick the best Philly player performance, play

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Speaker 2: A lot of choices this week.

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Speaker 2: Following that three game series in New York.

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Speaker 3: But some options now coming out of the weekend series

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Speaker 3: against the Brave. Who wants lead it off? Anybody Todd

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Speaker 2: Come on, well I'm gonna go. I'm gonna this is

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Speaker 3: Tie major League Baseball record with four home runs on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: And you think about, Jim, I think you might have

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Speaker 3: And I mentioned these stats last week from Sarah Langs

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Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarber had forty nine. Ryan Howard had forty nine.

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Speaker 3: So he's just he's an unbelievable performance by Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 3: So he gets my slice of the pie, Manco and

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Speaker 5: That's a great pick that was such a memorable night.

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Speaker 6: A gem on Sunday night, and as Ruben mentioned, deserved

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Speaker 6: And boy, giving everybody in that you know, coaches room,

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Speaker 6: He's giving people a lot to think about. I don't

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Speaker 6: It's a great, great call if I wanted to make

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Speaker 5: You know, over the many years of covering.

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Speaker 6: had to you know, good honest critique and the performance

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Speaker 6: he has had and the way he's playing for this team.

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Speaker 3: Well, I remember we had we had Bobby Dickerson on

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Speaker 3: what and maybe it was May we had him on

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Speaker 3: the show here, and remember Bobby kind of lamenting the

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Speaker 3: fact he's like, I wish I could have gotten my

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Speaker 3: hands on him when he is twenty years old to

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Speaker 3: twenty one years old coming out of North Carolina State.

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Speaker 3: I wish I could have worked with them for just

447
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Speaker 3: a couple of years to get rid of some of

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Speaker 3: these bad habits he had gotten into. So you know,

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Speaker 3: in Bobby Dickerson's mind, this is something that could have

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Speaker 3: been worked on years ago. But to your point, him,

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Speaker 3: Trey saw his shortcomings on defense and he's like, all right,

452
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Speaker 3: let's get this ironed out and let's work on some things.

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Speaker 3: And he's worked it out, and you look at the

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Speaker 3: eye test matches up with the analytics, the metrics that

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Speaker 3: are out there in terms of his a drastic improvement defensively.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be dovetail on one. What you said, Jim

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Speaker 1: also about the great what the great players do, and

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Speaker 1: that this is where I really feel like the great

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame type players. I'm not saying he's going

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Speaker 1: to be in the Hall of Fame. He could be

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Speaker 1: because his numbers are going to be great offensively as

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Speaker 1: a short stop. But the reality of it is when

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Speaker 1: you start thinking about Hall of Fame players and making

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Speaker 1: adjustments in their careers, Ozzy Smith became a very very

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Speaker 1: good hitter, a very tough out later on in his

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Speaker 1: career after making some offensive adjustments over the over his career,

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Speaker 1: Mike Schmidt made a drastic change in making trying to

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Speaker 1: strike out nearly as much. So later on in his career,

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Speaker 1: as bat slowed up, he shortened up, he leveled off,

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Speaker 1: he did different things that that changed him. So there's

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Speaker 1: there's some great players. I'm sure I'm missing a touch.

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Speaker 1: Sure is a perfect example. But you talk about some

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Speaker 1: of the great players who can can see some of

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Speaker 1: their uh, some of their shortcomings, make the adjustment and

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Speaker 1: get better even though they don't have to in this

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Speaker 1: for life. They're set up for life. Even I mean

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Speaker 1: even guys like Clayton Kershaw. He continues to pitch, he adjusts,

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Speaker 1: he changed the way he you know, he had to pitch.

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Speaker 4: To to to be great.

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Speaker 1: And uh. And I think about those guys and why

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Speaker 1: they separate themselves because they have competitive edge. Not only

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Speaker 6: And you know, I watched Trey throw the ball and

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Speaker 6: he's not slinging it, slinging it underhand as much.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's times when you have to make that play,

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Speaker 5: but he's.

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Speaker 6: Coming off that back foot and firing and over the top,

491
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Speaker 6: and it's true, and it's getting that quicker, and he's

492
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Speaker 6: just throwing the ball better. He's playing all around better defense.

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Speaker 6: And I think that started with an openness and a

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Speaker 6: willingness to listen to people you trust and be coachable

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Speaker 6: and then you know, go out and make the changes yourself.

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Speaker 6: So you know, a lot of people deserve some credit there,

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Speaker 6: and there's no limit to what you could accomplish if

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Speaker 3: It is going to be interesting to see if if

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Speaker 3: A lot of stuff happened this weekend besides the Phillies

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Speaker 2: So I want to get your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 3: So Nick Castiano site, if you guys saw this on

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Speaker 3: Friday night, he gets subbed out of the game defensively,

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Speaker 3: which I'm surprised that it has.

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Speaker 4: Not happened sooner. Quite frankly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he had that moment in June, had had

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Speaker 3: the incident with Rob Thompson and the dugout, and this

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Speaker 3: is the first time on Friday night he got subbed

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Speaker 3: out laate for defensive purposes. Nick comes to the center

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Speaker 3: behind the big backdrop reporters ask him about a lot

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Speaker 3: of a lot of one word answers, a lot of

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Speaker 3: one word responses, you know, very very short and to

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Speaker 3: the point.

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Speaker 2: It had to be done. Am I wrong?

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Speaker 3: This is some and it's almost surprising that it was

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Speaker 3: even kind of an issue, or seems to be an

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Speaker 3: issue that it's It's a no brainer. If you're trying

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Speaker 3: to win games, close games, you take one of your

561
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: your your worst defensive outfielder out of the game, eye test,

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Speaker 3: analytics test, and you put in one of the best

563
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Speaker 3: defensive outfielders in the game in Harrison Bader. You move

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Speaker 3: Max Kepler over to right, Brandon Marshall left. Total no brainer.

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Speaker 3: It should be done in any close game between now

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Speaker 3: and the end of the season, assuming Nick spot in

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Speaker 3: the lineup isn't coming up, or there's you know, those

568
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Speaker 3: types of circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Total no brainer.

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Speaker 3: It should happen every game in the postseason. You can't

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Speaker 3: lose a game in the late in the game, in

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Speaker 3: a close game because Nick couldn't got a bad jump

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Speaker 3: on the ball, because Nick couldn't run down a fly ball.

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Speaker 4: I gotta think you guys agree.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. It's a team sport and It's about

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00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: the team, period, end of story. You put the best

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Speaker 1: players out there on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: They did it with Greg Luzinski way back when they

579
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Speaker 1: did it with Pat Burrow. He didn't nobody bitch, you

580
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: complained about it. It's what you do and the manager

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Speaker 1: runs the show. And I'm actually surprised it's taken a

582
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Speaker 1: little bit a little bit longer for this to happen.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, this is something that has to happen now.

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Speaker 1: It's something that I think was addressed with Castianos a

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Speaker 1: couple months ago, that this is something that's gonna start

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Speaker 1: to happen. And uh, you know, he had his last

587
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Speaker 1: at bat. They needed the best defense out there with

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Speaker 1: one run lead, and they took him out of the game.

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Speaker 1: And you know that was that. Now, I will say this,

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Speaker 1: I guess cas Anders was upset because you know, Rob

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Speaker 1: Thompson wasn't the one who said it something to him. Well,

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Speaker 1: he made an out, he was on the base pass.

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Speaker 1: What typically happens when you take a guy out of

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Speaker 1: the game when you had a double switch or defensive

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Speaker 1: move is you have the coach let the player know

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Speaker 1: so he doesn't run out to the field so he

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Speaker 1: doesn't go round to his position. They tell him, the

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Speaker 1: coach tells him, the base coach tells him, Hey, uh,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna you know, you're gonna be swapped out. And so,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the fact that Cassie said something

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Speaker 1: about it, you know, no one told him that was

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Speaker 1: happening or whatever. That's that's not how it works. And

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Speaker 1: you know, listen, this is about the team. The manager

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Speaker 1: made the right move. I can understand why, with his pride,

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Speaker 1: he would not want to come out of the game.

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Speaker 1: I get it. He's worked hard at his craft, he's

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Speaker 1: gotten better, he's made himself. He's made himself, you know,

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Speaker 1: an average outfielder, he just doesn't have the same foot

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Speaker 1: speed and the overall ability to flag down a tough

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Speaker 1: fly ball as as Max Kepler does. And you have

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Speaker 1: to have your best defense out there when you're when

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Speaker 1: you're trying to guard for a win, especially here in September,

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Speaker 1: when every single game means something. So I got no

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Speaker 1: problem with it. I think it's the right thing to do.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, cass and Cassie can be upset

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Speaker 1: about it, but but the reality of it is, this

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Speaker 1: is the right thing to do. And it's best for

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Speaker 1: the team.

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Speaker 3: Rubin, I'm glad you brought up the part about you

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Speaker 3: know how the it works during a game.

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Speaker 2: A coach sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Will often will go up to a player and sayah,

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Speaker 3: you're out.

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Speaker 4: We're going to do this.

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Speaker 5: It's awesome.

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Speaker 2: It's often a coach.

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Speaker 3: It's It's not a sign of disrespect that Rob Thompson

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Speaker 3: did not. He's not gonna Have you ever seen a

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Speaker 3: manager run out to a player on the field during

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Speaker 3: the game when.

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Speaker 1: He's on It will never happen either way.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I just want to let you know, out of

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Speaker 3: respect for you, you're being subbed out of the game.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't happen.

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Speaker 3: So this is not a a Rob Thompson was disrespecting

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Speaker 3: Nick Castianos because he didn't tell him personally that he

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Speaker 3: is being subbed out of the game for defensive purposes.

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Speaker 3: You know they've had this talk before. It was Paco's

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Speaker 3: message to deliver. So I thank you for bringing that up.

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Speaker 4: Room.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've had to do it myself as a

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Speaker 1: bass coach. I mean, if somebody's getting subbed out and

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Speaker 1: a guy happens to be on the base path, the

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Speaker 1: manager or someone lets you know from the bench, you

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Speaker 1: go out there to the player, let him know, take

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Speaker 1: his stuff and say come on, let's walk it in.

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Speaker 2: Has a player.

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Speaker 3: Has any of those Mets or Red Sox players ever

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Speaker 3: said why has the manager that come out and personally.

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Speaker 4: I told you about that?

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Speaker 1: Never ever? Now, I will say this, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if Nick's ever been switched out. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: it's ever really happened to him. So maybe he just

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Speaker 1: doesn't know the process because he may not, it may

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Speaker 1: never happened to him. Not I'm not saying that's right

656
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: or he was, you know, right to say he might

657
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: have been disrespected or at least intimate.

658
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 5: That one thing I will point out. He did not bring.

659
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 6: Up the fact that Paco was the guy who told him.

660
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 6: He was responding to a question. Somebody said, who told you?

661
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 6: Did Rob tell you? And he was, you know he was.

662
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 6: He was responding to the question to a reporter's question.

663
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 6: That's why that particular topic came up. But you know

664
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 6: I was, you know, hitting coach or the bench coach

665
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 6: often tells the guy who's being pinch hit for, or

666
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 6: if often tells the guy he's being he's the guy

667
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 6: who's gonna pinch hit.

668
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, the manager never told me I was pinch hitting,

669
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: or the manager never told me I'm being pinch hit for.

670
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: It's usually that, you know, it's usually the coach, so

671
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: every once in a while as the manager in that situation.

672
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: But as far as defense is concerned, I mean, it

673
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: doesn't the whole situation doesn't lend itself for the manager

674
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Speaker 1: to go out.

675
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 6: The bottom line is it's for the it's for the

676
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 6: greater good, and you're trying to win a championship.

677
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 5: That's good.

678
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 6: Get the division title on the first or second sea

679
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 6: put one of those, and get that big three hundred

680
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 6: thousand dollars check.

681
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 5: I mean, it's now.

682
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: Triple my salary was playing.

683
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 4: Yeah you're playing.

684
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: It would trimple my salary when I was playing.

685
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 5: That's what it's about.

686
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: It absolutely is.

687
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: That's what it's about.

688
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 3: So a lot of other stuff happened. What Phillies made

689
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 3: a couple of roster moves. Uh Sunday, they signed Walker

690
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: Buehler to a minor league contract. Walker Buehler, who is

691
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: let go by the Red Sox, he's going to make

692
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: a start in Triple A and then he's going to

693
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: join the Phillies rotation on September twelfth against the Kansas

694
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: City Royals. Give the Phillies a little bit of a

695
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: six man rotation, Give a guys a little bit of

696
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: a breather, which we have talked about for months and

697
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 3: months and months. So is this going to happen? The

698
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: Phillies indicated it's going to happen. We what's finally going

699
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: to happen. It's not going to be Andrew Painter, It's

700
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: going to be Walker Buehler. They also claimed left hander

701
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: Tim Masa off of waivers from the Pirates. He is

702
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: joining the Phillies bullpen on Monday in Milwaukee, and Garrett

703
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: Stubbs is going to be one of the two extra men.

704
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: Maz is one of them, and then Stubbs is going

705
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: to be the third catcher down the stretch. So Bueller

706
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: significant move. Did not pitch well for the Red Sox.

707
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: He did not pitch well last season for the Dodgers

708
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: in the regular season, and when the postseason turned came on,

709
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: he pitched very well in the NLCS and in the

710
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: World Series. Got the final out of the twenty twenty

711
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: four World Series. So what do we think about these moves?

712
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 6: I kinda look at them as almost like tryouts. I mean,

713
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 6: they're gonna need another lefty in the bullpen with not

714
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 6: having Alvarado. So you take a look at Maze over

715
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 6: the final month, see what he's got. Maybe it works,

716
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 6: I mean, low risk, high potential reward. Same thing with Bueller.

717
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 6: I mean he's gonna give everybody a blow by making

718
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 6: that start in Kansas City or against Kansas City, you know,

719
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 6: So that's helpful right there, just to get an extra

720
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 6: day for everybody. And if he pitches well in Lehigh

721
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 6: and then pitches well here, you know, maybe he figures

722
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 6: in beyond that, who knows. So it's kind of a

723
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 6: These are tryout scenarios, low risk tryout scenarios that you know,

724
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 6: I think make a lot of sense to give it

725
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 6: a shot, see if they could be potential options as

726
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 6: you try to put together the best twenty six to

727
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 6: go into October with. So you know, Bueller, who will

728
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 6: see I mean, he hasn't pitched well, but sometimes a

729
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 6: little bit of change of scenery, stranger things have happened,

730
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 6: So I'm totally okay.

731
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 5: With both moves. It does, it does magnify the fact

732
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 5: that it just hasn't happened. For Painter this year.

733
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 6: It hasn't been what they expected that, you know, the

734
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 6: July is and that's fine. He's young, he's coming back

735
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 6: from injuries. Some times it takes time. I think we

736
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 6: have to realize that. Keep it in perspective. He still

737
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 6: has a great future. He's going to be a great

738
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 6: contributor around here. But it hasn't happened in twenty twenty

739
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 6: five like they envisioned, like they had hoped for, like

740
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 6: they had expected. And I'm sure the kid expected he

741
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 6: you know, we all did. We thought he was going

742
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 6: to be a down the stretch difference maker and it

743
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 6: has not happened.

744
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 5: That's okay.

745
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 6: You adjust, you run a different play that you hand

746
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 6: the ball to Walker Buehler, see if he can get

747
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 6: you to the help help you get to the end here.

748
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 5: I'm okay with it.

749
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: Di echo Jim's sentiments, and I think it's just a

750
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: brilliant old school move by a very good, you know,

751
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame type executive. Anytime you can try to

752
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: add it doesn't matter how whether it's a position player

753
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: or a pitcher. In this case, you know this is

754
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: a guy. Anytime you can get someone who's had the

755
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: experience of what Walker Bueller has done, how he's pitched

756
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: in the postseason, how he's got the cohonees to be

757
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: able to do it. Pitched made the last pitch of

758
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: the season last year, if I do recall properly. And

759
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: so when you have a guy like that and have

760
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get a guy like that, why not

761
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: give it a shot? The lightning in the bottle. Someone

762
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: has been there, done it and obviously has some Vanderbilt

763
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: ties to Caleb Cotham, And so that combination is pretty important.

764
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: And I think, uh, you know, bringing Tim Mason's important too.

765
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: As far as Alvarado and some of the issues that

766
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: Oriyan Kirkeran's going through right now, he's not real confident

767
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: with his stuff. Uh, he's got to sort of bounce

768
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: back to The more depth you can create in that bullpen,

769
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: the better. And Uh, I like the moves. It's they're

770
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: veteran moves. They're high risk, I mean, low risk, high

771
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: reward type moves that could help them win a World Series.

772
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: Maybe a move like we made getting a guy like uh,

773
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: you know our left handed hitter Stairs, Matt Stairs. I

774
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: mean he ended up doing one thing which was to

775
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: hit a home run, and he did it. And then

776
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: if Walker Bueller gets gets two important outs or Mason

777
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: gets to get one or two important outs to win

778
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: the World Series, then it's all worth it, baby, Absolutely.

779
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about Amasa was He's from Allentown, so

780
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: he grew up a Phillies fans. So that's kind of

781
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: a cool little side note. He's been great against lefties

782
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: in his career.

783
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: He's been.

784
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: He's he started the season with Pittsburgh, had a Ladd injury,

785
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: has been making a minor league rehab assignment. His fastball

786
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: his sinkers in the mid ninety threes, which is kind

787
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: of where he's spent the past few years. So it

788
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: seems like his stuff is kind of bounced back. So

789
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure the Phillies have watched him extensively and think

790
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 3: they could be. But you're right, though, Bueller, Vanderbilt Tis

791
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: Caleb Cotham.

792
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 4: It's interesting. It's interesting.

793
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 6: So so with Mesa and Trevino, they have two guys

794
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 6: from the Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference in their bullpen. You know,

795
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 6: there's Westchester and Kotstown. I think Mason's Millersville and Trevino

796
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 6: I think is slippery rock and it's cool. I'm a

797
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 6: big fan of that league. I'm a fan of the

798
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 6: west Chester Golden Rams, but uh, you know that's good.

799
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: Jimmy sneak out there every once in a while and

800
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: catch a ball game, right, catch a.

801
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 5: Ball game all the time. And my dog.

802
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: When he was when he was taint scouting, I used

803
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: to sneak in.

804
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 6: I used to sneak in their batting cage with a

805
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 6: couple of kids in the neighborhood. And my daughter so

806
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 6: beautiful Circleco Field.

807
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 5: Love it.

808
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: Love of the game. I love the game, jim for

809
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: the love of the game.

810
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: I love it.

811
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 4: I love it.

812
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 2: So so let's let's wrap this up.

813
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: Monday, four to ten, Labor Day game Phillies Brewers and

814
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: American Family Field in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Taiwan Walker faces the

815
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: Miz Jacob Mizerowski. He highly touted All Star rookie for

816
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: the Brewers who has been struggle a little bit recently,

817
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 3: hasn't been as dominant, and they.

818
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 5: Know his name in the Phillies clubhouse.

819
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 6: They they thought that right Sanchiz should have been the

820
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 6: All Star over him.

821
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: Or Sanchez and Suarez as it was after that game

822
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: in San Diego.

823
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 5: They were telling gel but I think they were telling

824
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 5: uh Yeah.

825
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: Well, Tray Cray came in and goes, what an absolute

826
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: joke this was, and uh proceeded to pop off. And

827
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: then then the next day Trey came over to us.

828
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: He's like, I just want to make it clear. I

829
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure people are going to take it this way.

830
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 3: It's nothing against the kid. It's nothing against the kid.

831
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: It's more of the fact that our guys did not

832
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: make the All Star Game. It's nothing against the kid.

833
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 3: And then I said, well, I'm sure Pat Pat Murphy

834
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 3: is going to just rip you guys.

835
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 5: Murphy's using at his motivation and.

836
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: He's like, he goes and understandably so so Trey absolutely

837
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 3: got it. He said his piece that the Phillies. Other

838
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: other Phillies players said, the piece they wanted to defend

839
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: or make their point that Christopher Sanchez and Rangers were

840
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: is whether they can pitch or not should have made

841
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: the All Star team.

842
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 5: And that's that's good teammate behavior.

843
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 6: That's to use an old expression that was popular around here,

844
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 6: teammate behavior.

845
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 5: I mean, you support you guys.

846
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 6: And then Pat Murphy, you know, he should he should

847
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 6: use it his motivations say they're dissing you.

848
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 5: That's like, that's that's all part of it.

849
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 4: Man, do you think of Matt Gill?

850
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: I got the article. Yeah, go ahead, Ruben, I.

851
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: Guess I guarantee if Pat Murphy put that up there

852
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: in that clubhouse, there's no doubt about that.

853
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: For Jim going, he left, Jim Jim left.

854
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: See if we have an athletic h article pinned to

855
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 3: the locker the clubhouse blown up, we'll have a athletic

856
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 3: article blown up in the Brewers clubhouse on Monday.

857
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: I will say this about the Phillies, you know, of

858
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: the rookies that they face as starters this year. I

859
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: think there's something like seven and thirteen or six and

860
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: thirteen in those games. So they don't like facing those

861
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: guys they haven't faced yet. And that's sort of true

862
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: of a lot of veteran teams, because they don't feel

863
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: comfortable in the box knowing they have never seen their stuff.

864
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 5: And then you've got Quintana who likes to get them out.

865
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: Off places, to six them right off the right up

866
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: the patuit. I mean, he pitches really well off you know,

867
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: he pitches really well against him, So it's gonna be

868
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: a tough series. You're gonna have to score more runs. Obviously,

869
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: the last two games for the Phillies a little sparse

870
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: with the runners in scoring position. But they got they

871
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: got to figure out that ways to win because this

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Speaker 1: Brewers team plays really, really good baseball.

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Speaker 5: They can score baseball. Team pitch and score runs.

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Speaker 4: They absolutely do.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Wednesday, so the Phillies are off on Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: If you're wondering, if you start turning the TV on Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: try to FI find the Phillies game.

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Speaker 4: You won't find it.

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Speaker 3: They return to action on Wednesday, seven forty eastern Nola

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Speaker 3: versus Can as you said, and then Thursday, the series

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Speaker 3: finales at four to ten Eastern. It's Rangers Swarz against

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Speaker 3: Freddie Peralta. So the brew the Phillies are facing some

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Speaker 3: good pitching coming off that brave series. So we will

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Speaker 3: be back later this week to talk Phillies, Barrewers, Similiarated Boys,

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