1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: production of Iheartrading. 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back to the show. My name is Noel. 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 3: Our colleague Matt is on adventures and will be returning soon. 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: Shut out as always to our super producer Paul Mission 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 3: control decond. Most importantly, you are here. That makes this 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 3: the stuff they don't want you to know, we're addressing. 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 3: I think in a larger sense tonight an old question, 11 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: an old chestnut. Does money make people happy? It's puzzled 12 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: humanity since the dawna currency. No, you know this well, well, I. 13 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: Mean it's kind of kind of easy answer. And then 14 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: I think it's like multi pronged where money can afford 15 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: you the ability to buy things that might potentially make 16 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: you happy, but they will not solve any existential problems. 17 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: In fact, it is more likely to create further existential 18 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: problems if you're not careful and don't keep that I 19 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: need to have as much as the next guy. Impulse 20 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: in check a. 21 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 3: Yes, keeping up with the evil of the Joneses. It's 22 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 3: funny because I read a number of years ago an 23 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: excellent study. There's a ted talk about this as well, 24 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: about the idea of a threshold of happiness here in 25 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: the United States. A few years ago. It turns out 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: that exhaustive studies had proven after a certain threshold, money 27 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: doesn't buy happiness, but until you get to that threshold, 28 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: money does buy happiness. Some religions call the love of 29 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: money the root of all evil, not money itself, but 30 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: as you said, the love of it. And then some 31 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 3: obviously some amazing MC's believe an excess of cash creates 32 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 3: an excess of problems. Do you like I'm dancing around? 33 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's I mean, I think was it? 34 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: Jay Z said more money, more problems? Didn't he say that? Now? 35 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: He said ninety nine problems? He said more biggie. Maybe 36 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: it's just a thing that's been floating around the hip 37 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: hop community for Yeah, it's also a biggie thing. Yeah 38 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: it's a big but you know, there's some truth to that, 39 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: because every time you you level up, if you continue 40 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: down that road, there is sort of like a I 41 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: don't know, sort of like an always chasing kind of quality, 42 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: and it's always you know, further things you have to service, 43 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: and then further amounts of paranoia, and then the idea 44 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: of like what if everybody's just after me for my money? 45 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: And what if nobody actually likes me and they're just 46 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: hanging around, And then before you know it, you're surrounded 47 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: by people that you exclusively. 48 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: Pay yes inspiration as addiction. That's fascinating. It is an 49 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: open secret here in the United States and indeed across 50 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: the planet that people with a lot of money, a 51 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: lot of financial heft, often end up above justice. At 52 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: the same time, to your point, these individuals can often 53 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: end up being targets of insidious conspiracies. And this is 54 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: what brings us to tonight's episode. A billionaire who one 55 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: day simply disappeared. Not super widely reported in the West, 56 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: but we want to give a special shout out to 57 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: our brother Matt Frederick who suggested this idea. Can you 58 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: know you're better with these accents than I am? Can 59 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: you do the name? 60 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 61 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: The Danish is definitely its own thing. I do believe 62 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: it's Karl Eric Bjorkigren. There might be an accent on 63 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: the keg, but I think it's And there's the umlaud 64 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: over the oh, which makes it a buk. It really 65 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: is spelled like the famous Icelandic. You know, it's an 66 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: incredible singer, songwriter, artist, producer Buurke, but most people say Byork, 67 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: so I believe it would be Bjorkki grin. 68 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, umloud over the oh. 69 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: Uh. 70 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: Well, dug. This guy became a billionaire, a legend in 71 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 3: his day. Look upon his works. He mighty and despair 72 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 3: until he ghosted. Here are the facts. All right, let's 73 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 3: call him Carl, lest we offend with our accents, Noel, 74 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: can we learn a little bit more about Carl. 75 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: I think he's actually Carl Eric is probably how he 76 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: would be referred to. And if it is a hyphen it, 77 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna prefer to him as 78 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: Carl Eric. 79 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: Okay. 80 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: He was born on October ninth, nineteen twenty in Esluv, Sweden, 81 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: to Karl Byerkigrin and Judith Janssen Hansen. It's a jay. 82 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: I think it's a soft h sound for in Swedish, 83 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: but I think it could be wrong. 84 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 3: Well, Carl Eric served in the Swedish Army and he 85 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: did pretty well. He ultimately attained the rank of lieutenant 86 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: in nineteen forty four, he leaves the military. So World 87 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: War two is happening. He leaves the military and he 88 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 3: goes to school. He pursues a degree in economics at 89 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: the Gothenburg School of Business, Economics and Law. He's there 90 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: for quite some time. He graduates in nineteen fifty three. 91 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: And when he graduates, he becomes a sort of starting 92 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: level dare I say, infantry level accountant for an engineering 93 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: company called Sandvik. And this is honestly, this is a 94 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: real started from the bottom story. Carl eric Of eventually 95 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: becomes the CFO of the company in nineteen sixty one, 96 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: and just four years later he becomes the CEO. It's 97 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty five by this point, and he continues as 98 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: the CEO of again this international business, all the way 99 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: up until he retires in nineteen eighty one. Super financially successful, 100 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: not the best guy ethically. He gets convicted on some stuff. 101 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: So in nineteen eighty two he is convicted of the 102 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: all too common financial crime of insider trading. In this case, 103 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: he was the ultimate inside man with the inside info. 104 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: He essentially purchased stock in his own company and didn't 105 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: tell anybody because he you know, he had advanced knowledge, 106 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: I guess that the company was failing or what like, 107 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: you're you're allowed to purchase stock in your own company, 108 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: But it's what's the inside. 109 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: He was moving money in crooked ways if you look 110 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: at the financial ups and downs of the company, Like 111 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: he knew when improvements were going to happen, or he 112 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: knew he knew before the public knew that that the 113 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: value of the company would increase, and so he's able 114 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: to buy in he might have I don't know. Insider 115 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: trading is tricky, right, yeah, because. 116 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: I mean CEOs have stock in their own companies all 117 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: the time, and in theory, if you're a good CEO, 118 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: you're you're gonna kind of know when improvements are coming 119 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: quote unquote. But the improvements that you might think are 120 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: improvements necessarily always equal. A stock shift is usually something 121 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: catastrophic or like an acquisition or something. But typically, you know, 122 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: an insider trading scandal would involve somebody knowing a company 123 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: was going to tank. 124 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: Right or maybe no, you know, maybe knowing a pandemic 125 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: is going to occur and you are sleeping with a 126 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: congress person and insider trading doesn't apply to them anyway. 127 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: It's very interesting. The laws about it are somewhat murky. Yeah, 128 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: and a boy. Carl Eric also has a rocky personal life. 129 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: He has five children and four ex wives all told, 130 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: that's four marriages. All this news it didn't sink him. 131 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: Quite the opposite. In fact, when he retired in nineteen 132 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: eighty one, that's when his fortune really took off. Chairman 133 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: of the board at several companies, huge investor in manufacturing 134 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: and real estate. He controlled or owned all sorts of things. 135 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: He was kind of playing monopoly, like you know how 136 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: a monopoly you go across the board. You buy houses, 137 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: then you buy hotels. He owned all these hotels. I 138 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 2: would say, at a certain level of money, you kind 139 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: of lose your nationality, you become international or globalist. He 140 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 2: had homes in the United Kingdom. He had home that 141 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 2: we know about. Really weirdly, he had a nice home 142 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: in Florida. I didn't know that something that people in 143 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: Sweden aspired to. Yeah, almost like to the point of 144 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: that too big to fail kind of situation, like an 145 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: economy of scale in human form, right. Yeah. 146 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 3: One of his compounds in Sweden was a mansion. He 147 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: lived a very extroverted extravagant lifestyle. At his highest, as 148 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: far as we can tell, his net worth in the 149 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: late nineteen nineties was around two point five billion kroner 150 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: Swedish growner, which is over seven hundred million dollars, and 151 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: he was close to being all told a billionaire at 152 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: this stage. In the money game, people also to collect art. 153 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: I thought of you researching parts of this because we 154 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: talked about Picasso recently in Strange News, and he bought 155 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: a lot of actual Picasso and he once said, this 156 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: is a true story. He once said, you buy art 157 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: with your own money, you make investments with other people's money. 158 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: Very Bernie made off. 159 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: It is a little bit. And you know, Picasso is 160 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: one of those kind of crown jewels of any art collection. 161 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: You got your Picasso, maybe a Warhol or two. He 162 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: also had Shagall, an artist that is very famous and collectible. 163 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: One or Joan Miro, a Spanish artist who I was 164 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: not familiar with until I just was in Barcelona and 165 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 2: went to the Joan Miro like institute or whatever. It's 166 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: kind of in the really high Castileee part of Barcelona. 167 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: I believe it's called mont Jaique. There's also a Goudy 168 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: Park that's right up there as well, but really cool sculptor. 169 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: I would hazard to guess that Tim Burton was really 170 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: into Joan Miro and his like kind of Beetlejuice esque 171 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 2: sort of macabre, weird, freestanding sculptures. He also had, Ben, 172 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: you'd love this a fountain filled with mercury. Not an 173 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: actual art installation, but it's it's encased in glass so 174 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: you can't get splattered or going to breathe in the fumes, 175 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: but it is actual mercury and was one of the 176 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: coolest things I've ever seen. 177 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 3: But shut exactly so I don't think he had that one, 178 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: but definitely had some pieces by some pretty high dollar 179 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 3: collectible artists. 180 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: And that that quote you mentioned Ben is peak ostentatious, 181 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: Like what's the word I'm looking for, Well, luxury, you 182 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: know it's that, like, you know, opulence, that's the word. 183 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it. And the issue is fortune has proven ever 184 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: a fickle mistress. In the late nineteen eighties, the Swedish 185 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: housing market collapses. Our buddy Carl Eric is over leveraged. 186 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: He loses everything. Turns out his real estate empire is 187 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: propped up on loans. He's robbing Peter to pay Paul. 188 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: Hmm, there's that more money, more problems there, it is. 189 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: He's rearing its ugly head alright, yes, sir, Because once 190 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: you get to a certain point, if things don't continue 191 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: to sustain themselves, you've painted yourself into a corner, you 192 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: know where in order to continue, right, do you have 193 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 2: to just keep going up and up and up. It's 194 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: just like a stock price of a publicly traded company. 195 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 2: If you don't show growth year over year, then that 196 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 2: like is bad for your brand. That's bad for everything 197 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: about who you are, what you represent. 198 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, my personal net worth, it depends on 199 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 3: how I feel it that day, exactly. 200 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: Your net worth is your network? Ben heard that. 201 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 3: So uh, he had no money to pay off these 202 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 3: immediately do loans in the wake of this collapse, and 203 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: so he does something that is pretty dangerous and litigious 204 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: in that country. Bankruptcy is kind of more of a 205 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: big deal in these parts of Europe than it is 206 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: in the United States, And bankruptcy sucks in the US. 207 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? 208 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: It? 209 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: Does? It always occurs to me that like tax money 210 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: in other countries much more valuably used, I guess for 211 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: the individual and the system of finance seemed to me 212 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: to be a little more like benefiting the individual, whereas 213 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: over here it just seems like it's only benefiting the 214 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: super rich. And obviously our tax dollars don't really go 215 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: to much that we can see benefiting us. So I'm 216 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: wondering why bankruptcy is such a harsher, you know, I 217 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: guess penalty over. 218 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: There, I would advance to you it's because there is 219 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: a better rule of law. 220 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 2: I think that's It's what I guess. That's what I'm 221 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: describing overall, isn't it. 222 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I an accountant friend, I would say that a 223 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: financial enthusiast acquaintance, very well read on US law once 224 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: told me that after a certain threshold, bankruptcy is jazz 225 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 3: in the United States. 226 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the same with tax loopholes over here. 227 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: I just don't picture those existing quite as prevalently in 228 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: other countries. But also it seems like the tax system 229 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: might already be a little more fair and a little 230 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: more designed to help out individuals. You know, there's money 231 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: put away that helped people retire with dignity, whereas, like 232 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: over here, if you don't have some sort of like 233 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: gold platinum, you know, healthcare plan through like a corporate 234 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: entity or what have you. You're going to be scrapping. You know, 235 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: social Security isn't enough to pay for people's retirement anymore. 236 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just anyway, I'm sorry, I'm not to 237 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: get on a. 238 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: These are these are a political points. These are financial 239 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: observations that you're making. I would argue. The main thing 240 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: you need to walk away with from this part of 241 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 3: the story, folks, is that the Swedish government after the 242 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: bankruptcy declaration, seized Carl Eric's art collection and then they 243 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: also seized a lot of his real estate properties. We're 244 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: not saying the guy was a knucklehead though. Before he 245 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: declared bankruptcy, he transferred ownership of some of his most 246 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: valuable art, along with a little seaside estate, to one 247 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: of his daughters, and because she owned it, it meant 248 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: the Swedish government couldn't take it. He also started a 249 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: secret Swiss bank account, a numbered Swiss bank account, so 250 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: he was living high on the hog despite being over 251 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: the equivalent of three hundred and fifty million US in 252 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: debt and every so often. Oh he also had a butler, 253 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: which would be weird to anybody who has had to 254 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: deal with bankruptcy in the United States. He also had 255 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: a butler. He had two butlers, but his second butler 256 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: is the guy he hung out with a lot of 257 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 3: His first butler was in the shop, so he had 258 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: to So, yes, you had another butler. Weirdly to the 259 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: we're pulleyed a lot of sweetish sources here. The translation 260 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: is something like ground service because he was he was 261 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: a little it was a little two hands off to 262 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: do a lot of, uh, you know, around the housework. 263 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you do start describing from some of these sources, 264 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: like some of the things the butler was responsible for. 265 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: One of them included the lawn. I just thought that 266 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: was that. Didn't that seemed outside of the realm of 267 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: the butler, a little more like the groundkeeper. But it 268 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: does seem like to your point, and even that term 269 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: ground does make me think more of groundskeeper. But it 270 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: sounds like this guy was kind of a Swiss army 271 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 2: knife type character. You know, he did a little of everything. 272 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 3: Is kind of a dog, he's a driver, he was 273 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: sort of a valet, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, a second, he. 274 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: Get his hands dirty, you know, he cooked meals, he 275 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, he would do the housework and then 276 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: he would apparently go hang out with his kid, which 277 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: I think is very interesting, this idea of the life 278 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: of a butler. I always think, like, what do they 279 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: do when they're not buttling? 280 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 3: You know, we should also do a ridiculous history episode 281 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 3: on the ridiculous history of buttling. 282 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, even the I just want to know more 283 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 2: of the origin of the word but to buttle. 284 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you also like butt lingon. 285 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely, but what how does one buttle? It seems to 286 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: encompass quite quite a lot of different disciplines. 287 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: I have research on this. There is a prestigious school 288 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: of but ling, of butlery. It's in the United Kingdom, 289 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: and it's sort of the feeder school to serve aristocrats, 290 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: to serve the royal family. All right, I'm getting on attention. 291 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: Did mister Belvedere go to that? I have to know 292 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: in the in the no, But I mean, you know, 293 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: the act of service is an art in and of itself, 294 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: and even like a really really good waiter, there is 295 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: a certain art to that. So we're not here to 296 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: mock but butler's or the art of buttling, because it 297 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: is very much a certain set of skills. 298 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't come for us, big buttle. We also, well, 299 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 3: I love that we're establishing this trust relationship. So a 300 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: lot of times when people have that close familiarity, they 301 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: build rapport and trust. So it came to pass that 302 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 3: with this secret Swiss bank account, every so often Carl 303 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 3: Eric and his butler would travel together to Switzerland from 304 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: Sweden to withdraw money from this numbered bank account, and 305 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: some times, nol Carl Eric would just send his butler, 306 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: who has not currently been identified officially due to Swedish law. 307 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 2: You just send him to do the banking. 308 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 3: So we know. The first question that we always have, 309 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 3: and you'll see as we get into it, is the 310 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: name of the butler. On June second, nineteen ninety four, 311 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 3: Carl Eric disappears vanishes. 312 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 2: Ben, I have to just go ahead and let it 313 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 2: out right now. We were talking over text before we 314 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: recorded this episode, and with the whole butler ness and 315 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: sort of foul playness of it all, it's starting to 316 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: feel like a clue scenario, you know. Yeah, So on 317 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: June second, nineteen ninety four, Carl did in fact disappear 318 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: the butler who was on the way back to the 319 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: house after renting a lawn more like you said. Arrived 320 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 2: of the house. Notice Carl had packed a you know, 321 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: a I guess the overnight bag situation, and laid out 322 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 2: an overcoat because it was raining events at the time. 323 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: At this time, Carl was his itinerary indicator that he 324 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: was going to fly to Stockholm that afternoon to finalize 325 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 2: I guess this would be his fourth divorce with his 326 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: lawyer and was going to also be in the company 327 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 2: of one of his daughters. 328 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and he was gonna meet with these folks 329 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 3: in Stockholm. Carl Eric is very much alive. At this time, 330 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 3: the butler speaks with Carl Eric, and when the butler 331 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 3: later talks with Swedish investigators, he says, you know, guys, 332 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 3: seem fine. I made him breakfast, I mowed the law 333 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: and I told him that I have to go hang 334 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: out with my daughter. I have to keep an eye 335 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 3: on my daughter basically for two hour time window, and 336 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 3: I will be back this afternoon to drive you to 337 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: the airport. And so when the button returns, Carl Eric 338 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 3: has vanished his bag they mentioned earlier, and his overcoat. 339 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: They are still at the house. 340 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: But his passport is no longer there. Now, we can't 341 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: say for sure whether he clocked the passport the first 342 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 2: time around, but a passport, like you know, I keep 343 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: it in a very specific drawer. I would. It's something 344 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 2: that you know, if you're traveling in Europe a lot 345 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: where during this time, where you would need a passport, 346 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 2: even just to you know, go a relatively short distance, 347 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 2: that's an important piece of paperwork that your butler would 348 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 2: probably know the whereabouts. 349 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 3: I would, especially if you knew about your secret Swiss 350 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: bank account. 351 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably butler definitely knew where his passport. 352 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 3: Was, right. It's so uh investigators fight look for these 353 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 3: kind of relevant documents. Nothing is missing except for the 354 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 3: passport and the person, Carl Eric. As of tonight's recording, 355 00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 3: Carl Eric has not been seen in any provable way. 356 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: So our question tonight, what happened? 357 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: We'll get right to that after a quick word from 358 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 2: one of our sponsors. 359 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy. At this point, no one knows, well, 360 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: I don't want to say, no one knows. 361 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: No one's talking, no one's telling right right. 362 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: Those who do know are not saying, and some of 363 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 3: those people who do know may be dead. We should 364 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: look at the theories. All right, here's what bugs us 365 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 3: about this. Initially, Carl's family assumes that he just skipped 366 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 3: down like Lord Lucan after that guy killed I'll say it, 367 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 3: Lord Lucan killed people and got away with it and vanished. 368 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: They're assuming Carl Eric's family is assuming that he has 369 00:22:54,720 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 3: just fled his crushing multi million dollar debt. And they 370 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: waited two weeks before they reported Carl Eric missing. And 371 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: when they reported the guy missing, everybody in Sweeten knew 372 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 3: about this dude. When they reported him missing, the police said, oh, yeah, 373 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 3: he ghosted because he is kished by that guy was 374 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: a dirt. 375 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: Bag kind of money all over town. It's like the 376 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: big lebag he kidnapped himself. He's like the big Lebowski 377 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 2: kind of situation, owed money all over town. Yeah, it 378 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 2: is a small community. I mean, you know, he's a 379 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 2: high profile figure. And there were various I guess versions 380 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: of where he might be. 381 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, more than else. 382 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. He's in a hotel and 383 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: oman getting a hair cut somewhere in Granada perhaps, no way, 384 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 2: shopping in Stockholm for a new born. No wait, it's 385 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: like a piece, It's like a footstool I'm still getting 386 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: up under waterfall in Paraguay, you know, with some sort 387 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: of backpacker type scenario. There we go. 388 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 3: I like it. That's a verbatim quote from Swedish investigators. Right. 389 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: The Aeguwazu Falls and Paraguay are beautiful actually that time 390 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: of year, so it's like cooler even than Niagra fall 391 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: something some do. 392 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 3: The issue is none of these reports have at this 393 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 3: point been substantiated. We also know that no money seems 394 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: to have been withdrawn from this numbered Swiss bank account 395 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 3: since Carl Eric disappeared. Nothing again is missing except for 396 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: the guy's passport. To public knowledge, he has not contacted 397 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 3: anyone in his family since nineteen ninety four. Since the 398 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 3: moment in June we describe, nobody saw him leave his house. 399 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 3: His car was still there. His safe, however, did show 400 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 3: signs of unsuccessful tampering. Someone tried and failed to break in. Interesting, Okay, 401 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 3: I wonder what that looks like, the tampering. And perhaps 402 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 3: I don't know, like maybe it was drilled into you know, 403 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: I mean it's scratch marks. Yes, yeah, it's not really 404 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: It's not easy to break into a safe unless you're 405 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 3: you know, you've got the tools and or the skills 406 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 3: which you got to have the guy the guy. 407 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 2: But I would think, you know, it depends. There's the 408 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: integrity of the safe. I guess maybe he dictates exactly 409 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: how intense the process is. I think that it is 410 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 2: possible to do it just with like the little little stethoscope, 411 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 2: you know, where you just listen for the clicks or whatever, 412 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: and that though, wouldn't leave any evidence of tampering. 413 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 3: And that that's also true. 414 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: Some safes also have mechanisms that will show you know, 415 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: someone has has tried to break into them, But in 416 00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: any case, we don't have those details. So these little 417 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 2: bits of evidence do lead us to a couple of theories, 418 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: one of the most popular of which was that he 419 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: was just flying the coup, as we previously suggested, due 420 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: to some serious financial pressures. 421 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: Let's just say, yeah, which makes sense. The best evidence 422 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: for him escaping self disappearing, we could call it, is 423 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 3: that missing passport, right. He clearly did not commit pseudo side, 424 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: which is the fancy word for faking or death. That's 425 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 3: very difficult, even I don't know, it's way easier. Back 426 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 3: in the mid nineteen nineties. 427 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: So much was histories were a lot more fun back then, 428 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 2: you know, because of the lack of the you know, 429 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 2: everything being on camera, the degree to which we can 430 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: you know, track people down. It's just there's no more 431 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: mystery in the world. 432 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 3: Yet he couldn't He would not have needed a passport 433 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 3: to travel to Stockholm if he left, or if someone 434 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: wanted it to look as though he voluntarily departed, Why 435 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: would he leave his bag and coat? We have to 436 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 3: keep in mind to your point that the nineteen nineties 437 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: were a long time ago. It was still possible to 438 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: travel in front of international legal notices. 439 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: You know. 440 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: These are the days when you could get in trouble 441 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 3: with interpool or something and you would have those intense 442 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 3: conversations where you would say, we have two hours to 443 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 3: get to the to get to the airport, Yeah, to Xville. 444 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: And so, with this theory again the primary evidence being 445 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 3: that the passport disappeared as well as the person, the 446 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 3: speculative thing we could say here is that he could 447 00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 3: have leveraged various European travel agreements to kind of daisy 448 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: chain a passage through different countries and then only need 449 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 3: to use the passport when you get to the waterfall 450 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 3: in Paraguay. 451 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 2: There you go, yeah, and he would have made a 452 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 2: stop off at that Swiss bank in advance of that, 453 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 2: you know, which you know, he wouldn't have needed to 454 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 2: show a passport for that action, right, and just some 455 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: account number exactly. But it was really quickly been. We 456 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: have this notion that the butler could have been sent 457 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: in his stead, you know, to get money from this account, 458 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 2: don't I mean, maybe I'm watching too many like Jason 459 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: Bourne movies, but typically when you go to withdraw money 460 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: from these types of accounts, don't you have to like 461 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: be the person or have like an ID that matches 462 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: your face or it almost feels like it would have 463 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: had to have been a special arrangement or something, you know. 464 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: Interesting to my knowledge, at that point in the nineteen nineties, 465 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 3: before Switzerland's laws really changed in regards to banking, you 466 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 3: just needed the account number. 467 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: That's you know what, Now that you mentioned I'm thinking 468 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: back on more movies. There certainly are also examples where 469 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: they just write it down on a piece of paper 470 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: and handed to somebody and then that's no questions asked 471 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: kind of situation, which I guess is the feature, not 472 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: the bug, of these types of accounts, right, Yeah. 473 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 3: And this leads us to our second theory. What if 474 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 3: the guy did not disappear himself. What if someone wanted 475 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 3: Carl Eric dead. If we're looking at suspects number one 476 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 3: with a bullet is the butler, we're still trying to 477 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 3: find his name. Turns out this guy kind of a 478 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: shady character, no offense to anybody else who rents lawnmowers. 479 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 3: But in addition to that, he had previously been convicted 480 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: of frauds and scams in the past. He's also the 481 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 3: last person to have provably or allegedly seeing Carl Eric alive, which. 482 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: Is usually the first person that people look at. No 483 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: one else that we know of so far actually spoke 484 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: to Carl on June. Second, if he was killed, it's 485 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: possible that he was killed before or after that disappearance 486 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: or when this disappearance was reported, and that the butler would 487 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 2: have used his daughter the two hour window of going 488 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: to check on his daughter, which again to me, always 489 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: seemed a little suss for a butler. I just think 490 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 2: of a butler as like being like living or whatever. 491 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: Maybe this was not unusual, but just to say it 492 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: out loud, it almost does feel like, see look at 493 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: my ear's my alibi. Check it out. It's what we 494 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: don't particularly like about this guy is that he apparently 495 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: used one of Carl's watches and a painting to settle 496 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: one of his own debts. Though this is, if I'm 497 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: not mistaken ben unproven. It's just sort of. 498 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 3: Hearsaying, yeah, it's a rumor. There are a lot of 499 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 3: rumors with this because no one can prove what happened 500 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: to Carl Eric. We do know to your earlier point, 501 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 3: this butler had provably withdrawn money for Carl Eric from 502 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 3: that Swiss bank account in the past. Another rumor, locals 503 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: familiar with the situation say this butler seemed to be 504 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 3: living extravagantly after his employer disappeared. However, in defense of 505 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 3: the butler, we do have to say there was no 506 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 3: money withdrawn from Carl's Swiss account in the two weeks 507 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 3: before he was reported missing, even though the butler could 508 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 3: make withdrawals. If money was a motive, why not get 509 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 3: in front of that and withdraw, withdraw the cash, withdraw 510 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: the funds while your employer is alive. Keep in mind, 511 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 3: this is a secret Swiss account. These are the glory 512 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 3: days of financial o Shenanigan's. So Carl Eric could not 513 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 3: report a crime if someone emptied his bank account, he 514 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 3: could not go to the authorities because he is not 515 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 3: supposed to have this money. It should have gone all 516 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 3: to his debts, that's right, So. 517 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: That there wouldn't have even it would have been so 518 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: under the radar that it's not like the authorities could 519 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: even have monitored the secret account as a as a 520 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: red flag situation. 521 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's the idea that he squirreled away a 522 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 3: secret horde of treasure essentially. And if the problem with 523 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 3: criminal funds is again that it's like anybody who's been 524 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 3: in a local drug deal got wrong. What are you 525 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 3: going to call the cops and tell them someone sold 526 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 3: you fake weed? 527 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, exactly. You're telling on yourself at that point, 528 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: right well, speaking of telling on ourselves, at this point, 529 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: we've got to tell you about a word from our sponsor, 530 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: which we're going to do right now, and then come 531 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 2: back with some more conspiracies about the disappearance of Carl Eric. 532 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 3: And we've returned. I wanted to take a moment and 533 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 3: tell you what a beautiful segue. 534 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: You know it. It was a reach, but it needed 535 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: to be done. 536 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, just like bankruptcy in America for the wealthy. 537 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: Like jazz, you just did it, You just did it. 538 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: It's like a cosmic gumbo. It does move to the 539 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: beat of jazz. 540 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 3: I just free watched that sketch. All right, here's the idea. 541 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 3: Another theory. Theory three. The cartel or a cartel, a 542 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 3: criminal cartel, killed our buddy Carl Eric, because the rumor 543 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 3: has it. God, I'm reminded of the Adel song. The 544 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 3: rumor is it? 545 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 2: I don't think I know that one. 546 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 3: Wait, no, it's a different rumor, has it? A someone 547 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 3: right in? Please help us conspiracydiheartradio dot com. I'm not 548 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 3: going to try to sing the melody, but all right, 549 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 3: we'll get to it. The idea is that, aside from 550 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 3: owing a lot of money to business partners and banks 551 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 3: and swindled investors, it seems that Carl Eric had personal 552 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 3: loans to the sum of two hundred million kroner. The 553 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 3: idea is that he may have had these personal loans 554 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 3: to criminal organizations. So one of the going theories is 555 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 3: that people showed up to his house while the butler 556 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 3: was gone, and they demanded money. They tried to break 557 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 3: into a safe. They probably tried to rough them up 558 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 3: and they accidentally killed him. And this is based on 559 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 3: witness testimony of a guy who has provable ties to 560 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 3: a cartel. However, other than that one guy's testimony, there 561 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 3: is no corroberating evidence that this is true. The only 562 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 3: thing we know that is true is that Carl Eric 563 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 3: pissed off a lot of people. 564 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, like you know, he clearly was overextended. 565 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 2: There comes a point where you can no longer get 566 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: legitimate loans, and therefore you're either dealing with loan shark types, 567 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 2: you know, with the higher viig or dealing with illegal 568 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 2: you know, drugs or laundering or whatever it might be. 569 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: And presumably we're talking about like you know, European drug syndicates. 570 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 2: And I mean, I don't want to speak for anybody 571 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 2: else who's less dim than me, but when I hear cartel, 572 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 2: I often think of South American or like you know, 573 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 2: Pablo Escobar, that part of the world. But of course 574 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: a cartel is just a syndicates, a conspiratorial organization that 575 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 2: involves the sale of illegal materials, whether it be weapons, guns, 576 00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 2: what have you. 577 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 3: People, And of course fine art shout out to freeports, 578 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 3: so always, always, that's one of our main things. 579 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 2: His pieces or any collections now or if they're still 580 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 2: kind of being held somewhere privately, it would be interesting 581 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: to do a little follow up and see because that's exciting. 582 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, we also know, okay, we also know. An alternate 583 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 3: murder theory would be the legitimate business partners. Would you know, 584 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 3: at a certain level, at a certain financial threshold, the 585 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 3: difference between criminal and legitimate becomes a little muddy. Would 586 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 3: you agree with that? 587 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, absolutely, I think that's sort of the crux 588 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 2: of this whole story in many ways, Like it's just 589 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: the the the abundance of money past a certain point 590 00:36:54,200 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 2: can just create, you know, kind of an avalanche of complications. 591 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: And this is where we get to one of the 592 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 3: fascinating claims. There's a journalist who publishes an article on 593 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 3: her blog in August of twenty twenties, so not too 594 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 3: long ago. Her name Elizabeth Holgland. She says, years ago, 595 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 3: an acquaintance of hers told her the truth about Karl 596 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 3: Eric's disappearance. However, she was not able to share that 597 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 3: information because it would result in that guy's death. So 598 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 3: when she publishes this stuff, in twenty twenty. She essentially argues, 599 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,439 Speaker 3: the guy is on death's door. He's on the way 600 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 3: out like hospice level. He's riddled with Alzheimer's, so she 601 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 3: would not be endangering him if she shared his story. 602 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 3: And let's imagine this story, Paul, can you throw some 603 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 3: helicopter noises in here? 604 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: Perfect. She was told that Carl owed money to former 605 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,919 Speaker 2: business partners, which I think we made it clear isn't 606 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: really that much of a surprise, and that they had him. 607 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 2: They paid to have him kidnapped on June second and 608 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 2: brought by car to Stockholm, Sweden. Once he was there, 609 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 2: he was maridered most foul y and then flown by 610 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 2: Choppa equipped with pontoon boats for making a water landing 611 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 2: over Stockholm's scared. Scared? Is that like a body of water? 612 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 613 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. It's also a fabulous acting dynasty starsgard. 614 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 3: So according to the story, this helicopter, we're not familiar 615 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 3: with helicopters. Let's picture puddle jumping aircraft. Like if you've 616 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 3: ever seen the aircraft that can land on the water, 617 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 3: These pontoons are generally cylindrical things. 618 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: That will float. 619 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 3: Airplane nailed it. We didn't even need me to say 620 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 3: all that you should like, Yes, floating skis so the 621 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 3: according to this story is reported by this journalist, Uh, 622 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 3: Carl Eric's body was placed upon one of those pontoons, 623 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 3: and when the helicopter reached a certain distance in the water, 624 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 3: they maneuvered sideways, so they kind of shrugged and they 625 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 3: dropped the body into the water, never to be seen again. 626 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: Uh. 627 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 3: That's a lot for a legitimate business partner to do. 628 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 3: That's more a cartel move. 629 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 2: I was absolutely no business or or business partners hiring 630 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 2: somebody from you know, a criminal enterprise because hid in hand. 631 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 2: I think that might be it. And honestly, Ben, I 632 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 2: mean this certainly feels a lot more plausible than the 633 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 2: butler did it, as much as I love saying that 634 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 2: out loud, like perhaps in the drawing room with the candlestick, 635 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 2: even it seems like the amount the butler would have 636 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 2: been more like the maid stealing the silverware type situation, 637 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 2: Like his level of like using this individual for money 638 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 2: would have been more I think relegated to that kind 639 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:28,720 Speaker 2: of stuff. 640 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 3: Several Swedish investigators call into question the butler's alibi. However, 641 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 3: I think it's safe to say were a conviction possible, 642 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 3: the butler's name would be published, it would have been convicted. Again, 643 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 3: Sweden does have rule. 644 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 2: Of law, absolutely, yeah, and it seems like whatever they 645 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 2: had was flimsy at best, or otherwise we probably would 646 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 2: have heard that part conclusively added to the story. 647 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 3: Also, yeah, this is interesting because we were texting each 648 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 3: other a lot about this. Carl Eric was nothing if 649 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 3: not a planner, and we've been circling around. 650 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,919 Speaker 2: You don't stack that many ducats unless you're relatively good 651 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 2: at planning at the very least. 652 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, planning and prevarication. So if we admit that, 653 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 3: even back in the nineteen nineties, most people are trained 654 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 3: already to keep their passport on their person such that 655 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 3: when you move, your passport moves, it is entirely possible 656 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 3: that our buddy Carl Eric planned his own disappearance in advance. 657 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 3: It is also, unfortunately, entirely possible that he was kidnapped 658 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 3: and murdered. One thing we can say with near certitude 659 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 3: he is probably dead at the time of this recording. 660 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 3: He would have been as of this year, one hundred 661 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 3: and four years old, which is old fruit even in Sweden. 662 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, yeah, where they you know. Oh that SNA 663 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 2: really does tend to be good for the skin and 664 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 2: the lifespan, but not if you're doing business with bad people. 665 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 3: He was declared dead official legal purpose, Yeah, officially November eleventh, 666 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 3: two thousand and five. At that time, were he's still alive, 667 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 3: he would have been eighty five years old, which is possible. 668 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 3: His seaside house was sold by a bank at about. 669 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 2: The art band that he sold the seaside villa. The 670 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 2: seaside villa went to his daughter along with the art. 671 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,479 Speaker 2: I want to know what happened to the art. Maybe 672 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 2: she still got it, I mean, certainly, you know, we 673 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 2: know that historically art is a great way of holding 674 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 2: value in a very relatively small package, much more so 675 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 2: than real estate, or you can move it around. No 676 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 2: shade on the unnamed daughter here. But if it were 677 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 2: me and I saw the walls closing in, yeah, you know, 678 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 2: and I want to protect myself, I might just keep 679 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 2: one Picasso just as an insurance policy. 680 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 3: And just what you could have one Picasso as a treat. 681 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 3: So here's the deal, folks. Right now, as we record 682 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 3: the case of Carl Eric Buyorck Grenn, the disappearance remains unsolved. 683 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 3: The one thing we can say with absolute certitude is 684 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 3: there was something they don't want you to know. And 685 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 3: we would love to hear your thoughts about this right 686 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 3: in tell us, especially if you are from Sweden or 687 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 3: familiar with this story, familiar maybe with Denol's earlier point 688 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 3: some of the art. Where did that end up? That 689 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 3: might be a good lead. 690 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 2: The funny thing is, but I googled this guy's name, 691 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,240 Speaker 2: and like you, I like to look. I'm a visual learner. 692 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 2: I like to watch documentaries and try to find thing 693 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 2: on YouTube, and there was nothing in English language about 694 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 2: this case at all on YouTube. I did find a 695 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 2: podcast episode of a show called Mysterious Circumstances that I 696 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 2: wasn't thus far familiar with, but there's a pretty decent 697 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 2: little kind of episode about the disappearance of Carl Eric 698 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 2: bjorka grin. 699 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 3: But yeah, precious a little out there about it. And 700 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 3: thus we pass the torch to you. Be it yours 701 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 3: to hold it high if ye break faith with those 702 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,399 Speaker 3: who die. Oh gosh, I'm not going to quote any 703 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 3: more World War poetry. 704 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 2: You may all out, oh not to me, but you 705 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 2: know it's. 706 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 3: Called flanders Field. It's a really good pull up anyway, 707 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 3: find us online, tell us your thoughts. 708 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,959 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You can find us in the handle conspiracy Stuff, 709 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 2: where we exist on Facebook, where we have our Facebook 710 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 2: group Here's where it gets crazy, on XK, Twitter and 711 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 2: on YouTube, where we have video content rolling at you 712 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 2: on the regular, on Instagram and TikTok. 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