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Speaker 1: And we are under way. Welcome to the Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jill Galant. I'm joined by NFL betting expert and

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Speaker 1: futures analysts with the Action Network, Brandon Anderson. It is

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Speaker 1: rankings week here at Action Network. We've already done quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: skill position groups, offensive lines, but today it's time to

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Speaker 1: discuss the coaching staffs. Now, Brandon, this isn't just the

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Speaker 1: name one two of the NFL head coaches. But this

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Speaker 1: this is a little more nuanced of a ranking here

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Speaker 1: because we're looking at full staffs. So can you just

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Speaker 1: elaborate a little bit more what went into these rankings

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Speaker 1: and what kind of factors we need to focus on.

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Speaker 3: Yeahs are really exciting for me today. First time we've

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Speaker 3: been able to do coaching staffs on the podcast. This

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Speaker 3: is something I've been doing the research on for years now,

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Speaker 3: and that really isn't out there too much from what

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Speaker 3: I've seen, not just head coaches, not even just offense

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Speaker 3: with some of the assistants, you know, the old guys

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Speaker 3: research is for. Digging in and figure out the best

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Speaker 3: you can. Coaching matters a lot. And to me, we

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Speaker 3: said this on the Offensive Lines podcast, don't turn it off.

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Speaker 3: These two offensive lines and coaching, for me, the better

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Speaker 3: Coaching can be a force multipliyer. So I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of other positions are additive. You're better or you're worse,

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Speaker 3: you plus or you minus. Coaching you can multiply. Coaching

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Speaker 3: the whole better than the sum of its parts. That's

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Speaker 3: why coaching matters. So what am I looking for Head

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Speaker 1: We kind of think of that as the head coach's job.

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Speaker 3: That is, that's their job, But there's a lot more

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Speaker 3: They got to control the locker room. We don't get

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Speaker 3: Obviously we've seen that with Dan Campbell and the lines

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Speaker 3: can measure as a head coach. We actually have results

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Speaker 3: I pick to coach my team to win a Super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: Same as all the other tasks that we've been doing.

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Speaker 3: So we're looking at coaching staffs, the whole entire thing,

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and they're all available as you said on

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Speaker 1: tier one. You have called this the gold standard and

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Speaker 1: order this year. Number one, the San Francisco forty nine

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Speaker 3: Really, the one change here that that swapped San Francisco up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, the forty nine Ers, Chiefs, Ravens, you

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Speaker 3: So we know these teams, we'll have a lot more

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Speaker 1: like we talked about the rankings, you know this morning,

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Speaker 1: And now I see them still ended up at six.

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Speaker 3: a very good staff. Kevin O'Connell is now being talked

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Speaker 3: Now the counter argument is okay, but Sam Darnold, you know, like,

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Speaker 3: So what happens if if there's a top level player

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Speaker 3: floor raising. He's been amazing at that. I'm not positive

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Speaker 3: advanced metrics. They're not quite there yet. Brian floor is

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Speaker 3: They've been bottom six DVOA each of the three years

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Speaker 3: But it's just slightly questioning the ceiling of the offense

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Speaker 3: and can we actually get the numbers rather than just

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Speaker 1: Right, And I think though they did deserve a bit

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Speaker 1: So I guess the question just to follow up about

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Speaker 3: I'll handle the defense. You do your thing, manage the timeouts,

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Speaker 3: He's coaching this team. Running backs, Press Taylor, Antoine randelel JT.

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Speaker 3: I think this is a staff that's completely overhauled and look,

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Speaker 3: These teams have done what we expected when they hired

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Speaker 3: when I don't like about Harbaugh, it's more I don't

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Speaker 3: love Greg the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: We know we've seen from Greg Roman.

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Speaker 3: We've seen him with a really mobile quarterback, have this

435
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Speaker 3: amazing running offense, but it's so run heavy. And last

436
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Speaker 3: year we saw that, and then we saw it slowly

437
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Speaker 3: fade toward the pass later in the year. So I'm

438
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Speaker 3: open maybe that was finally a change. Maybe they're gonna

439
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Speaker 3: start to do a little bit more pass heavy that way.

440
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Speaker 3: We like we saw from Jesse Minter the defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 3: that was actually more inspired higher he came from Michigan

442
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Speaker 3: with Harbaugh. But Minter had a lot of success last

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Speaker 3: year with not a ton of talent on the roster.

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Speaker 3: Now they kind of got found out late in the season.

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Speaker 3: But Minter, if he does it again, he could be

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Speaker 3: one of those. He's on a different team coaching next

447
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Speaker 3: year as the head coach. Guys, So I like Minter

448
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Speaker 3: a lot. I like Harbaugh pretty well. Greg Roman's holding

449
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Speaker 3: me back. And that's a little bit on Harba too,

450
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Speaker 3: because that's just been his dude over the years.

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Speaker 1: So very good.

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Speaker 3: Team, but I worry with the run heavy Roman of

453
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Speaker 3: it all, is there a top ceiling there.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned into like coordinators holding maybe a staff back.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Steelers and Broncos, and I would

456
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Speaker 1: have thought, given how the quality of head coach that

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Speaker 1: you would likely have had them in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: So I just have to ask, like, what do you

459
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Speaker 1: have against Mike Tomlin and Sean Payton, Because I mean,

460
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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, you're gonna downgrade him here and he's just

461
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Speaker 1: gonna back to word of the playoffs again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to backdoor to a playoff loss by

463
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Speaker 3: twenty again also, And that's the problem, is I talked.

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Speaker 1: At the top about floor versus ceiling.

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Speaker 3: To me, these are the ultimate floor raisers, but I

466
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Speaker 3: don't know if I believe in the ceiling on either

467
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Speaker 3: of them. Mike Tomlin's teams, what are they lost now?

468
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Speaker 3: I think six straight playoff games, So it's not really

469
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Speaker 3: valuable to get to the playoffs and then get embarrassed

470
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Speaker 3: on my way out. There's some value in it, and

471
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Speaker 3: a lot of franchises, like the Browns right there in

472
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Speaker 3: the division great love to lose the playoffs every year.

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Speaker 3: That sounds how do we sign up for that? So

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Speaker 3: of course the grasses out is greener. But with Mike Tomlin,

475
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Speaker 3: it's a little bit we talked about with Harbad just now,

476
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Speaker 3: Arthur Smith, great floor raiser, really run heavy, not the

477
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Speaker 3: guy I want if I'm gonna go win a Super Bowl,

478
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Speaker 3: and frankly, not the guy I want if I'm gonna

479
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Speaker 3: go get Aaron Rodgers. I think that's a real clash

480
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Speaker 3: this season. So I know the culture with Tomlin, I

481
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Speaker 3: know the stat about never being below five hundred, YadA, YadA.

482
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Speaker 3: There are other coaches in that range like Peyton and

483
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Speaker 3: a few others will talk about but the floor is there.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about the ceiling with Sean Payton seven

485
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Speaker 3: or more wins now all seventeen years, that's his version

486
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Speaker 3: of the Tomlin stat but eleven wins or less twelve

487
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Speaker 3: of the seventeen and by the way, all but one

488
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Speaker 3: of the same years were with Drew Brees, So you

489
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Speaker 3: Drew Brees all those years give made the playoffs ten

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Speaker 3: out of seventeen times.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm not that excited. Like to me,

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Speaker 1: I wonder.

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Speaker 3: If there's a little bit like Bengals Joe Burrow looking

494
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Speaker 3: in there, like, why aren't the Bengals better? Maybe it's

495
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Speaker 3: the coaching that's not necessarily holding back, but maybe not

496
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Speaker 3: elevating quite as much. The counter argument with the Broncos is,

497
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Speaker 3: well about the defense. Last year, Vance Joseph, the defense

498
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Speaker 3: was amazing, Yeah it was. Vance Joseph's defense are really

499
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Speaker 3: really aggressive. They blitz auton like as much as anybody.

500
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Speaker 3: And when it's good, it's great. But when it's bad,

501
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Speaker 3: it's really bad. For Vance Joseph, his defense results over

502
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Speaker 3: the years have been really volatile all over the place.

503
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Speaker 3: So I worry about Denver. We've had a lot of

504
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Speaker 3: Denver worry this week. If vance Joseph's defense is awesome. Again,

505
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Speaker 3: maybe that is the ceiling on the team. But if

506
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Speaker 3: it's not, there's high volatility there. The defense falls out

507
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Speaker 3: and that kind of moderate floor offense and Sean Payton

508
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Speaker 3: can't quite get to the next level. That's where I'm

509
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Speaker 3: worried with the Broncos.

510
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff rankings in the NFL for twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: and we moved to Tier four, which Brandon has called

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Speaker 1: could be a roller coaster. And at number fourteen you

527
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Speaker 1: have the Las Vegas Raiders, number fifteen the Philadelphia Eagles,

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Speaker 1: number sixteen the Washington Commanders, and number seventeen the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: And I gotta say, Brandon, I feel like you're kind

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Speaker 1: of trying to piss people off with this, especially the

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Speaker 1: Eagles position here. But again, I'm a Cowboys fan. I'm

532
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Speaker 1: not too high on the Eagles coaching staff, but I

533
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Speaker 1: do feel like fifteen feels like a direct slight. So

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Speaker 1: I would just say what happened here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look what do we do with Nick Sirianni At

536
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Speaker 3: this point, I had an impossible time. I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: figure out where do I slot Nick Sirianni in my

538
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Speaker 3: head coaching rankings. Listen to a lot of other podcasts.

539
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Speaker 3: What are they think about Nick Sirianni And they kind

540
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Speaker 3: of have the same thing. It's like, oh, we probably

541
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Speaker 3: should put him in the top ten, right because he

542
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Speaker 3: just won a Super Bowl. But it kind of feels

543
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Speaker 3: begrudging Eagles fans, Look, you know you wanted this guy

544
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Speaker 3: gone a year ago. You wanted him gone part of

545
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Speaker 3: last season. At times, the good is really good, like

546
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Speaker 3: the fourth down decisions, the aggression, all that stuff is

547
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Speaker 3: really good. In game, there's just weird vibes off the field,

548
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Speaker 3: Like again, I don't know what's happening in the locker room,

549
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 3: but it just feels unsettled, like you're going off the

550
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Speaker 3: as you walk off the field, and like jeering at

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Speaker 3: the fans, like come on, like, let's be an NFL

552
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Speaker 3: professional coach. I just I think he does a lot

553
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Speaker 3: for them. He's given them some of an identity. I

554
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Speaker 3: wonder to me, I got another NBA comp for you?

555
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Speaker 1: Here?

556
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Speaker 3: Is he like the Russell Westbrook of coaches? You got

557
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Speaker 3: a lot, but you take a lot off the table. Yeah,

558
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Speaker 3: you thought they're pissed off before, how about now? So

559
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Speaker 3: that's part of the thing. The other is that for

560
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Speaker 3: the fourth straight season, we're gonna have a new offensive coordinator.

561
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Speaker 3: And I couldn't really find out a ton about Kevin

562
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Speaker 3: Patula except that he's been in Philly for a while.

563
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Speaker 3: So I think this is kind of a Sirianni bet

564
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Speaker 3: on himself. I don't love that as an offensive coordinator

565
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Speaker 3: sort of proposition. So that I have patula ranked pretty

566
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Speaker 3: low because we just don't know yet what can they be.

567
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Speaker 3: And Philly is very very run heavyt Obviously he works

568
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Speaker 3: for them, but the offensive passing efficiency is there, but

569
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Speaker 3: on such low volume, it's just not a great formula

570
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Speaker 3: for wins in the modern NFL. So I have to

571
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Speaker 3: be skeptical there, have to sell a little bit on Siriani. Obviously,

572
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Speaker 3: Vig Fangio is awesome, Jeff Stotlin, the offensive line coaches

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Speaker 3: a lot to like there, So I can't be out.

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Speaker 3: But I know you don't get to just take away

575
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Speaker 3: the super Bowl. But if you took away the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: I think we'd still be pretty skeptical about this staff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you took away a Super Bowl

578
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Speaker 1: title from a lot of coaching stats, we probably have

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Speaker 1: those those all right. I just want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the Commanders now, because all right, I want to stick

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Speaker 1: with the division because pretty successful turnaround last season from

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Speaker 1: Dan Quinn and crew. Middle of the pack. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody was thinking of them as a top ten

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Speaker 1: coaching staff. So are we buying or selling the Commander's

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Speaker 1: coaching staff at this stage?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think we're doing both. We're buying and selling.

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Speaker 3: To me, this is a real bump up for Washington

588
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Speaker 3: from my rankings last year. So this is me accepting. Okay,

589
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: I was off on this team a year ago. I

590
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: was not in on dan Quinn. We all know how

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Speaker 3: I feel about Cliff Kingsbury. I've never been in on

592
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Speaker 3: the Kingsbury experience. Cliff was pretty good last year. Cliff

593
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Speaker 3: actually brought in a lot of creativity in the run game,

594
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Speaker 3: and I thought that that helped the team quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: We'll see how that holds up. I'm to hold a

596
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 3: little skepticism here as well. Still, we saw the run

597
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Speaker 3: game fall off a little bit toward the end of

598
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: the season as the old line got hurt. But it

599
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: kind of all plays in some of the stuff they're running.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty simple concepts, and I think that that's good

601
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Speaker 3: because it helped the offensive line and helped their rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 3: But as also means that the defense can came a

603
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Speaker 3: little bit, so you can only be so complex that way.

604
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Speaker 3: Dan Quinn love the aggression until the aggression doesn't work anymore.

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Speaker 3: So let's see how does that hold up for them?

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Speaker 3: How does that look this year going forward? I like

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Speaker 3: him as a defensive guy, So I think that actually

608
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: has kind of come to fruition there. I thought what

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Speaker 3: they did last year was a departure in a good way. Like,

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Speaker 3: you know Dan Quinn quite well, we've seen a lot

611
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: of him. Normally, he needs his pass rush and he

612
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: needs to cover guys. He didn't have those either one

613
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Speaker 3: really in Washington, so he kind of did some different stuff,

614
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Speaker 3: using Frankie Lou who has a weapon, and you know,

615
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Speaker 3: trying some other things. So I like some of the

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Speaker 3: things I saw much more than I expected out the

617
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Speaker 3: middle of the pack is a compliment for Washington, but

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Speaker 3: they're going to have to you know, this is probably

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Speaker 3: one that goes up five to seven spots or down

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Speaker 3: that many by next year. This is me kind of

621
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Speaker 3: like Nick Sirian, I'm kind of shrugging. I don't really

622
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Speaker 3: know what to do here.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of compliments, I think one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: compliments you've given to this ranking is the Las Vegas Raiders,

625
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Speaker 1: because coming into last year with Antonio hear some of

626
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Speaker 1: that crew, you had them ranked dead last, and now

627
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Speaker 1: you have them fourteenth, middle of the pack, and you've

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Speaker 1: got a seventy three year old grandpa running that coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: I just need to know how much do you believe

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Speaker 1: in Pete Carroll in this coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: And I love Pete Carroll, so we love our seventy

632
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Speaker 3: three year old grandpas. I think Pete Carroll, you gotta

633
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: be careful with the age, of course, but Carol has

634
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Speaker 3: always been so good with young guys, his kind of

635
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Speaker 3: culture that he's brought to USC that sort of just

636
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Speaker 3: running up and down the sidelines. To me, I can

637
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Speaker 3: put the age out the window a little bit when

638
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Speaker 3: I've seen how well he develops guys.

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Speaker 1: And I think too, as.

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Speaker 3: We sort of get some distance from Pete Carroll and

641
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks and Russell Wilson, I think for a lot

642
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Speaker 3: of that time we sort of talked about man Russell

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Speaker 3: Wilson sure does make Pete Carroll look good.

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Speaker 1: Well, guess what we've got more Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Data Now turns out maybe Pete Carroll made Russell Wilson

646
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: look pretty good. Maybe that's what's happening all those years.

647
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: He's been great with defensive backs, he's great with special teams.

648
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: He's had since his one Jets debut year seventeen seasons

649
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: at least seven wins and all of them. So let's

650
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: count of right there with like the Sean Paytons of

651
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: the world, the Mike Commons of the world. I think

652
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: we should kind of think of him the same way.

653
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Speaker 1: And then of.

654
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Speaker 3: Course we're excited. Chip Kelly is back in the NFL,

655
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Speaker 3: and for once only as a play caller and not

656
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Speaker 3: the guy you remember from the Eagles where it's just

657
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: like no how Toles and going crazy all the time.

658
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: A little less tempo now, more creative run game, sort

659
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Speaker 3: of like what we saw with Cliff Kingsbury. Bring in

660
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Speaker 3: something different from college there. Can't believe I just use

661
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Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury as a compliment for Chip Kelly. I don't

662
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: know how you should take that, but I think there's

663
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: a lot to like here. Patrick Graham, the defensive coordinator,

664
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Speaker 3: we like him as well. Just a huge floor raising

665
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Speaker 3: opportunity and maybe some ceiling too. With Chip Kelly the Raiders,

666
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Speaker 3: you got a real coaching staff.

667
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Speaker 1: Now, okay, before we move on, I just want to

668
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Speaker 1: ask you, because typically this podcast might hear a little

669
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Speaker 1: bit of Cliff Kingsbury slander. I just wanted to know

670
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Speaker 1: a little bit more about the command or some where

671
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Speaker 1: like do you have Cliff Kingsbury as an offensive coordinator?

672
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Speaker 1: Like where do you have him ranked? And how much

673
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Speaker 1: would he impact that? Because I know that from a

674
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Speaker 1: head coaching standpoint, we were always looking to fade.

675
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see where do I have Cliff Kingsbury, So

676
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: we didn't say anything much about Miami in this. Actually

677
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: I'm filling Miami as I'm looking this up. Love Mike

678
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Speaker 3: McDaniel's offensive coordinator. Guess what, I think I want my

679
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: team to have him as my offensive coordinator next year

680
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: when I think he may not be in Miami anymore.

681
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: So maybe that's where that one goes. Kingsbury as offensive coordinator.

682
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Speaker 3: I have raised him in my rankings to fifteenth, right

683
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: about middle of the pack, right about where Washington sits

684
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: as well. So yeah, I'm believing a little bit. You

685
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: got to believe what the results are showing you. I

686
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: think it's worked with Jane Daniels. That's a pretty big

687
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: boost on where I've been from him before. And again

688
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: we love our failed head coach back to coordinators just

689
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: do one thing and do it really well, normally defense,

690
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 3: but maybe some of these offensive guys, Cliff chip Kelly,

691
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: maybe this is where things are going with them.

692
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Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the next year now, and

693
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Speaker 1: you have called this serious turnaround potential. Maybe even you

694
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: could call them like wild cards. I guess with the

695
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Speaker 1: chance to move up at number eighteen, you have the

696
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts number nineteen, Arizona Cardinals, number twenty, Jacksonville Jaguars,

697
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Speaker 1: twenty one, Carolina Panthers, and twenty two the Atlanta Falcons.

698
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Speaker 1: And I think the reason why I wanted to almost

699
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Speaker 1: kind of call it a wild card is I feel

700
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Speaker 1: like there's a lot of unknowns, especially first year head coach,

701
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Speaker 1: like in Jacksonville, for example. So let's start with one

702
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: team in this group, the Jaguars, Like, are you in

703
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: on Liam Cohen? Where do we stand on that?

704
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Speaker 3: I really like Liam Cohen, so I'm pretty in on

705
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: the staff, which I'm a little cautious. It's a very young,

706
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: a very green staff. A lot of times you get

707
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Speaker 3: somebody like Liam Cohen, who only really had one year

708
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 3: calling plays for the Buccaneers last year, he's bounced around,

709
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: but you think that usually bringing in like the Dannis Allen,

710
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: like Ben Johnson, did you bring in some veterans? They

711
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: didn't really do that on this roster. Grant Yednski, the

712
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. Leom will call the plays, I'm sure, but

713
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: he's a pretty young, up and coming name. I know

714
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: prey well from Minnesota. Anthony Campanelli wohll mention him with

715
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Speaker 3: Green Bay. He's the run guy that really helped turn

716
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Speaker 3: around Green Bay's run defense.

717
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Speaker 1: That's really good.

718
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Speaker 3: But there's not a lot of veteran presence on this

719
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Speaker 3: team as far as the coaching staff. And as much

720
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Speaker 3: as I love Liam Cohen, I thought he helped Baker

721
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: Mayfield play elite football last year. I thought he built

722
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 3: overnight a great run game out of nothing. Camp had

723
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: been Teerbolt run game for years. Guess who's like that?

724
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Speaker 3: The Jacksonville Jaguars. So that'd be music to Jaguars fansiers

725
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 3: if that could happen. But much as I love your

726
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: play calling, you got a game call now too, And

727
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: it's a lot to ask for you to go to

728
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: a new franchise do all that. At the same time,

729
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: I tend to be mister optimist on some of these

730
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: new offensive guys, and I go all in on these

731
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: young coaching staffs, And look, I know I got Ben

732
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: Johnson and the guys up at number eleven. But I'm

733
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: learning mostly other than the Bears, to temper expectations a

734
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: little bit. So I have my Liam Cohen head coach

735
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: ranking pretty low. We don't know a lot yet and

736
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 3: you've got multiple jobs to do. But I have his

737
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator ranking really high, and I do things. A

738
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: lot of potential here, but a pretty low floor. Two

739
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: if things don't go well, Know.

740
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Speaker 1: What you had said that the Jaguars they had pretty

741
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: young coaching staff, whereas the Colts and Cardinals a lot

742
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: of retaining of coordinators over the years. Two head coaches

743
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: that used to be Eagles coordinators, and both kind of

744
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: floating around playoff contention, not quite there yet in their tenure.

745
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: But just on the cusp, what's it going to take

746
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: to push those staffs maybe to the top half of

747
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: the rankings. Yeah, I mean, I think results.

748
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, they're going to have to actually win the games

749
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: and make the playoffs. And frankly, I like both these

750
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: staffs quite a bit, but at some point, after a

751
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: few years of not quite getting the job done for

752
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: a lot of good reason, there's missing some talent, there's

753
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: a lot of injuries on the rosters at some point,

754
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 3: you got to actually win the games.

755
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: You gotta do the thing.

756
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: And like, to me, these are top fifteen, maybe top

757
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: ten coaching staffs and waiting, but you got to go win.

758
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: And by the way, when you actually do the thing,

759
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: then they're gonna lose some of their coordinators, the other

760
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 3: hot young names like Drew Petsing, offensive coordinator for the Cardinals.

761
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: Nick Rallis defensive coordinator. I had him last Heading into

762
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: last season, I've been more like middle of the pack.

763
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: Now.

764
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: There's a lot of fun things that they're doing, but

765
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: you got to do more than fun things. You got

766
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: to go win some football games. And I know, seven

767
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: and eight wins it's not nothing considering how things have looked.

768
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 3: But give me to ten, give me a playoff Berth,

769
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: contend in a playoff game, and maybe get one more

770
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: year with the coaching staff before the guys exodus to

771
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: bigger jobs elsewhere. I like both these staffs a lot.

772
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: I think stiking has been really underrated, so lost of

773
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: like here just look somebody like It's hard to rank

774
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: coaches because there's a lot of stuff to like in

775
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: a lot of places. Sorry not to Dallas fans, which

776
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: we haven't gotten to but most teams are can find

777
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: something you like, but somebody's got a rank like nineteen

778
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: twenty fifth and thirtieth. So that's where these guys go,

779
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: just kind of barely into the top twenty.

780
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: Just over thirty minutes, and Brandon immediately stabs me in

781
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: the side. All right, NFC South Panthers and Falcons first

782
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: teams from these groups? Is there either like I know

783
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: you how you have the Panthers at twenty one and

784
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: Falcons at twenty two, But do you actually prefer the Panthers'

785
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: coaching staff over the Falcons. Yeah, that's tough, I think.

786
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: To me, the question is do I prefer Dave Canalis

787
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: as the play caller also the head coach obviously the Panthers,

788
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: or do I prefer Zach Robinson of the Falcons. And

789
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 3: I was really excited about Zach Robinson last year going

790
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: into the season, and then it sort of felt like

791
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: the Falcons were disappointing to me at least during the season.

792
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: Looking back, I noticed as I kind of pull up

793
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: the stats, I looked at Zach Robinson's chart, and his

794
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 3: offensive number is like, you know, you see the run

795
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: pass ratio, the yards per Cary yards per Attempt's just

796
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: some of the basic stuff. I was like, oh, nothing

797
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: really changed from that last year to the year before

798
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: that same thing, so he didn't really make a difference.

799
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: Wait a minute.

800
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: The year before was the Rams and Sean mcvay's offense,

801
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: and that's the stats I was looking at. And the

802
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: year after is him with the Falcons and no quarterback

803
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: by the way, because Kirk Cousins can't move, and then

804
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: a rookie at the end of the season with Michael Pennix.

805
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: Right, that's pretty good. It turns out. I felt a.

806
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: Lot better after I see those sort of results were okay,

807
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: Maybe there are good things happening here, and there's a

808
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 3: lot to like about him. Is a really strong pedigree.

809
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: I think Zach Robinson there's a chance he could be

810
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: that next star play caller. If you like the Falcons,

811
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: I think Zach Robinson, even more than Michael Pennix, maybe

812
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: needs to be the reason why. So to me, I

813
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: think the Panthers proved themselves a little more last year

814
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: with what they've done with Bryce Young. But I don't

815
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: know yet if I'm in on the Falcons, but I'm

816
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: excited about Zach Robinson and with the kind of the

817
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: floor of Raheem Morris and jeff olbrik as sort of

818
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: a defensive identity, what can Zach Robinson do with a

819
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: lot of talent there in Atlanta. Maybe finally that team

820
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: kind of puts everything together.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's now move to Tier six for the

845
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Speaker 1: coaching staff rankings in the NFL. And you have labeled

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Speaker 1: this tier as the Old Guard, and at number twenty

847
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: three you have the Cleveland Browns, at number twenty four

848
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Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions, and number twenty five the New England Patriots.

849
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: And we got to start with the Lions, because whoa

850
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: like that for a team that is very highly favored,

851
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: is at least top five team to potentially win the

852
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. That cannot be good them ranking twenty fourth

853
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: for their coaching staff coming into the twenty twenty five seas.

854
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that one's going to really surprise some people.

855
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: How can I look? I brought up Dan Campbell multiple

856
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: times already in this podcast. As an example of a

857
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: guy that turned around a team and set a culture,

858
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell has a serious brain drain on his hands

859
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: again one more time. Ben Johnson is gone, as is

860
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn. Both coordinators have left took a lot of

861
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: the other kind of positional coaches with them as well.

862
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 3: So I have a brand new staff in Detroit, and frankly,

863
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: I don't have guys that I can find out a

864
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: lot about. John Morton, the offensive coordinator, He's only had

865
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: one year in the NFL offensive coordinator. He's got a

866
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: long history of football experience, but his yeary head didn't

867
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: go that well. This is the reason you only have

868
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: one year, right, So this is, by the way, not

869
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: Johnny Morton, the old Lions receiver.

870
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: That's what I thought.

871
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: It is a different guy, but there's not a ton

872
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: to know about him. And Kelvin Sheppard on defense, now,

873
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: he's kind of the local here. He was Detroit linebacker

874
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 3: coach the last few years. He's a pretty young guy.

875
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: He's never called plays before, so we don't necessarily have

876
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 3: a lot of experience we're adding in here.

877
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: Now.

878
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: Look you're gonna say, okay, well, Dan Campbell, He's found

879
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: other guys. He's the one that developed and got the

880
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: guys where they were. That's great. I will adjust when

881
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: Morton and Sheppard or awesome, I'll move the lines right

882
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: back up the rankings. But for right now, I have

883
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: these two as bottom three coordinators because we just don't

884
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: know yet. That's not necessarily saying you're bad. It's saying

885
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: we don't know if you're good, and I don't have

886
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: a lot of reasons to believe that you probably will

887
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: be good yet. So Dan Campbell really good? Is Dan

888
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: Campbell a top three coach? Or is he like a

889
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: top ten coach? And for right now I have to

890
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 3: reserve a little bit of a steam on him as well. Again,

891
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: I'm happy to put him up there once you approve. Okay,

892
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 3: I've lost some guys, but now I'm doing pro with

893
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: the new guys. Otherwise I worry a little bit. Another

894
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: NBA analogy is Dan Campbell maybe Tom Thibodau. What if

895
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 3: he gave Tibbs a great offensive coordinator but then took

896
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: that away and now you just have kind of the

897
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: raw raw thing.

898
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: Does that wear off after a while? NFL?

899
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: Might he be Ron Rivera, remember riverbo Ron, all the

900
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 3: aggression on fourth down. It sounded really great and it

901
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 3: was a lot of the fire up stuff anyone coaches

902
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: here multiple times. Everyone loved him until it didn't work

903
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: anymore because the rest of the stuff wasn't working on

904
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: fourth down and late in games. So I just have

905
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: some reservations with the Lions, and I may be wrong,

906
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: and frankly, I've been a little low on the Lions

907
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: staff much of this Dan Campbell era, so maybe he'll

908
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: just keep proving me wrong.

909
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: Now the Patriots, this was one that did surprise me

910
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: given the history we have with some of these guys

911
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff. Mike Brabele, we saw him have

912
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: success in Tennessee. Josh McDaniels, while not necessarily having head

913
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: coach success, we've seen him have plenty of success as

914
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: a coordinator under Bill Belichick. So I guess what I'm

915
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: wondering is I would have figured this would have at

916
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: least pushed them more closer to average. So what's really

917
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: holding them back?

918
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think they're just may be a

919
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 3: victim of just there are a lot of coaches and

920
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: somebody has to go below average. Frankly, I know that's

921
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 3: not very satisfying answer. But there is a little bit

922
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: with Mike Rabel of again floor raising, but not necessarily

923
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 3: ceiling there. I love Rabel in games, a lot of

924
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: good decisions, a lot of a good aggression. They tend

925
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: to win a lot of close games, but they also

926
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: tend to be in a lot of close games, which

927
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: is maybe not great for coaching. Again, similar to some

928
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 3: of the other guys we've talked about, very heavy run

929
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 3: for Mike Rabel, they give up a lot of pass

930
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 3: volume on defense that's been consistent over the years, and

931
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: then it really impacts who does he hire as a coordinator,

932
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: and I think that his coordinators over the years I've

933
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: never been really happy with in Tennessee, and I wasn't

934
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: too excited about Josh McDaniels either. McDaniels has now had

935
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: eight years without Tom Brady really only two good ones,

936
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 3: one with Castle, one with mac Jones, but without Tom

937
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: Brady boosting him up, it hasn't really gone that well

938
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: head coach or offensive coordinator for McDaniels, so I'm not

939
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 3: super excited about him. I'm not even really sure that's

940
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: a great floor raising thing, So I don't love the coordinators.

941
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: The defensive coordinator, Terrell Williams is unknown for the most part.

942
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: We'll see what he does, another old Titans guy. So

943
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: Rabel kind of is sticking with what he knows and

944
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: the Patriots sticking with what they know.

945
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: I'm not positive that this just.

946
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 3: Doesn't like a veteran version of what they tried with

947
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: Drod Mayo last year.

948
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm far from a Patriots fan. I think the only

949
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: pushback I would say is you said two names of

950
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: Matt Castle with Mac Jones, and when Josh McDaniels was

951
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: the coordinator with them, they did end up winning at

952
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: least ten games. So I just wanted to bring that

953
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: up just as a footnote. But we'll see what happens

954
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: with Drake may and this team this year. But now

955
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: let's move to Tier seven, and you've called this change

956
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: ain't always a bad thing. And at number twenty six

957
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: you have the New Orleans Saints, number twenty seven the

958
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, number twenty eight Cincinnati Bengals, and number

959
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: twenty nine the New York Jets. I think the Bucks

960
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: and Bengals are the two that kind of surprised me

961
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: here because they are favored to make the playoffs. I

962
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: guess can you just say how much you think their

963
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: coaching staff is actually holding these teams back? Honestly, I

964
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: think that the Bengals coaching staff has held them back

965
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: for years. And I sort of like the coordinators they've

966
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: gotten now, Dan Pitcher offense, Al Golden defense.

967
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 3: I like that they changed it up. Lou An Arumo

968
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: very highly regarded on defense, but just they need a

969
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: new voice in the room. So I think Al Golden

970
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 3: maybe can be that voice. I don't know how much

971
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: he gets to do because Zach Taylor, I think, still

972
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 3: does a lot of things his way, and his way

973
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: has been let the talent win, and there's there's definitely

974
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: not something they're doing offensively to elevate the talent, and

975
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: I wonder if sometimes it's even sort of putting a

976
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: cap on it. If you have Burrow and t Higgins

977
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 3: and Jamar Chase, you should be consistently making the playoffs

978
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: and having top offenses, and they're just not quite doing that.

979
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: So I think, again, you don't get to take away

980
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: super Bowls if you took away the Super Bowl birth

981
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: appearance for them, I think Zach Taylor, I don't know

982
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: you'd have a job anymore, except that you know, the

983
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: Bengals are a little cheap as well. So I just

984
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: I've never loved the staff. I never love even Zach

985
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: Taylor that season when they made it, I didn't really

986
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: think that it was with him. Todd Bowles has just

987
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 3: not been a great front facing head coach.

988
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: Right.

989
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: The endgame stuff has never gone well for him, Like

990
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: you hate to have a bet on Todd Bowles and

991
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 3: has suddenly like we got a fourth down decision and

992
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: we got some late game clock management, you know how

993
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 3: that's going to go. So defensively great, he's a great

994
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: defensive coach. I love to see Todd Bulls get fired

995
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: and then get hired by my favorite team to coach

996
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: the defense. That sounds great to me. I think he's

997
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: really good there. But this is now another year that

998
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: they got to replace defensive coordinator. Now he's done it,

999
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: so maybe he keeps on doing it. It worked with

1000
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: Dave Canalis, he's got a head coaching job worth With

1001
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen, he's got a head coaching job. I kind

1002
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 3: of like Joshkazart, I feel like you're in pretty good

1003
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: shape there. He worked with Cohen, he had a lot

1004
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: of experience with Miami with Mike McDaniel.

1005
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: I could buy it, but it's got to be worse

1006
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: than last year.

1007
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen was really good, So it's got to be

1008
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: a downgrade until proven otherwise. So I think Bowls in

1009
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: game is holding them back and until we actually see it,

1010
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: the downgrade has to be assumed. Offensive coordinator.

1011
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: Speaking of worse than last year, though, Saints and Jets

1012
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: cleaned house, fired everybody, I mean, can it get worse?

1013
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: Like I just if you asked me which two coaching staffs,

1014
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: like the Saints would probably be one of them that

1015
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: I would think that would be at the bottom of

1016
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: your list, And it's pretty close.

1017
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is just kind of like somebody's

1018
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 3: got to be down here and we got to see

1019
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 3: it proven from these guys. So it's interesting. With the Saints,

1020
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: you bring in Kellen Moore. Now you're familiar with Kellen

1021
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 3: Moore as a Cowboys fans kind of bounced around in

1022
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: recent years. Not too far back, Kellen Moore was a

1023
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: hot name. Everyone wanted him to be their head coach

1024
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: and Brandon Staley the defensive coordinator.

1025
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: Same thing.

1026
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: He got the head coaching job. He was everyone's analytics

1027
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: darling for like half a season and then it crash

1028
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: and burns so hard. I could see a world where

1029
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: the Saints are like, you know what, we didn't really

1030
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: get our first, second, third choice, but these are pretty

1031
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: good names. Like four years ago, three years ago, if

1032
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 3: you hired Moore and Staley together, that'd be really exciting.

1033
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: Like those are pretty good names. You'd want to invest

1034
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: in the Saints suck man, like they're not gonna be

1035
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: a good this year, why not find out? Like, why

1036
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: not see if Kellen Moore and Brandon Steely are your guys?

1037
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: Give him a couple of years. Maybe you actually got

1038
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: you know, some real deals. Here in the coaching cycle

1039
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: with the Jets, Aaron Glenn comes over from Detroit. I've

1040
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: never been a huge guy. Obviously, the defense kept getting

1041
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: better and better, and then obviously they fell apart huge

1042
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: with injuries. I don't really know what to make of that,

1043
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: you know, I do feel like the Jets are trying

1044
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: for culture thing here. They bring in Steve Wilkes. I've

1045
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: never been a great Steve Wilks fan. I feel like

1046
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: his floor, his ceiling is pretty limited. I do like

1047
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: Tanner Engstrad. I think that he has a pretty good

1048
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 3: floor as far as a run game, especially with this team,

1049
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: with their offensive line, with the running backs. And I

1050
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 3: can't tell you what tree he's from, but I said

1051
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna say his namey more times this podcast

1052
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: and runs with schmend Shmanson. But I like Denner a

1053
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: Strand for that reason. So somebody's got to be at

1054
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: the bottom. These names just haven't done it yet, but

1055
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 3: I think there's some potential.

1056
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: We got to see him do it. Well. Here are

1057
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: the teams at the bottom, because now we are moving

1058
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: to our final tier and you've called this dead man walking.

1059
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: And at number thirty you have the Tennessee Titans, and

1060
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: at thirty one you have the New York Giants, now

1061
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: brace for it. The last team you may not have

1062
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: heard them mention yet, the Dallas Cowboy. You have as

1063
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: the last ranked coaching staff in the NFL. So I

1064
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: really just have two questions for you. First off, how

1065
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: dare you? Secondly, is there any optimism at all? Though

1066
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: for the fact that you know we brought a new

1067
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in Clayton Adams. You know Matt Eberflus, not

1068
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: a front facing coach now moved back to defensive coordinator.

1069
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: Just talk to me a little bit about how you

1070
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: got to having the Cowboys's last.

1071
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's gotta start with Brian Schottenheimer.

1072
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 3: And I don't know why the Cowboys are starting with

1073
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheimer. Is just a very weird, flawed hiring process.

1074
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 3: I don't understand how they got there other than just

1075
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: the guy who was already in house. So I didn't

1076
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 3: love that to start out, and it's looking back, there's

1077
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 3: just not a lot that you like about when he's

1078
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 3: been the play caller, which he is in this offense.

1079
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: If you here's the silver lining that you're looking for.

1080
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: Somehow Brian Schottenheimer forgets on game day that he's the

1081
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: guy calling plays and Clayton Adams gets to be in

1082
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: charge the offensive coordinator. He's not calling plays, but somehow

1083
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: that happens. Now I can get optimistic. I like Clayton Adams.

1084
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: We talked about him on the offensive lines. He had

1085
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: some really diverse, really interesting run games in Arizona, So

1086
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: I like what he brings to the team, but I

1087
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 3: don't love how it fits with Schottenheimer. It's pretty different

1088
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: than what he normally does. Offensively. I mean, he likes

1089
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: the run heavy, but it's different sort of concepts. In

1090
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 3: Dallas has actually been pretty pass heavy under McCarthy. I

1091
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 3: didn't love McCarthy the head coach, but I thought it

1092
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: sort of fit what this roster has.

1093
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: I don't see a fit with.

1094
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: No running backs on the roster for this run heavy,

1095
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: old school Schottenheimer sort of thing. Maybe abra flus. I

1096
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: think it's fine. Like I can't get too excited, I

1097
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: can't get too angry about it, but I don't think

1098
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: there's a lot of ceiling to it. Nick Sorenson they

1099
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 3: brought back to run special teams. Nick Sorenson was the

1100
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator last year. Like we're crossing units now to

1101
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: fill spots on the roster, and so I just I

1102
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: don't really understand what the Cowboys are doing.

1103
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: If you could somehow.

1104
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: Erase the shoddy of it all, I like Clayton Adams,

1105
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: and they got Ken Dorsey in as kind of a

1106
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: pass specialist. I like the names that are here. If

1107
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: you told me Schottenheimer is just gonna coach and let

1108
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: the guys on the coaching staff run the offense, I

1109
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: think I could talk myself into it. Maybe we get

1110
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: there in the season, but until we do, it's just

1111
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: too much Brian Schottenheimer for me, all.

1112
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: Right, I don't want to hear any more about it.

1113
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: I'll concede. You can have the Cowboys at last, and

1114
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: we'll hopefully win nine or ten games and maybe they

1115
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: move up in the rankings as a result. But there

1116
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: is more to see. But the one thing I will

1117
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: just say is I don't really think there's much to

1118
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: say about the Giants. I think Brian Dabele should be

1119
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: favored to be first coach fired if anybody's looking for

1120
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: those kind of betting markets. But the Tennessee Titans, I

1121
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: think is a little bit more interesting because Will Levis

1122
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: last year pretty trashy offensive line that was revamped. Now

1123
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: cam Ward coming in. I guess really, I don't want

1124
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: to go ahead and say, like, do you think this

1125
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: staff is like cooked, but like, do you think that

1126
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: there's room for proven on this Tennessee Titans coaching staff,

1127
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: because I think they could move up if we see

1128
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: them emerge, you know, in the season. I mean there's

1129
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: room for improvement because they've been terrible, so then anything

1130
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: they do is improvement. That's not totally I quite like

1131
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: Lenard Wilson actually the defensive coinary. I thought he did

1132
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: a great job with a team, got them to a

1133
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: round league average on DVOA.

1134
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: I think he's pretty good. So I've got my eye

1135
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: on him. Love Bill Callahan, the offensive line coach. We

1136
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: talked a lot about him. That's the number one offensive

1137
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: line coach. So that's what you like about the team.

1138
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: I've just never been a Brian Callahan guy. So he's

1139
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: the head coach. He came over from years of being

1140
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: offensive corner with the Bengals. We talked about them with

1141
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: the Bengals, like he never did anything there to really

1142
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 3: elevate the team. I don't know how much he got

1143
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: to do, but I haven't seen anything here either. And

1144
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 3: now last year, I don't forget that. I don't remember

1145
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: the record, but the Titans like set the record for

1146
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: a worst ATS record an entire season.

1147
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: It was. That's meaningful.

1148
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 3: If even we know you're bad and you still keep

1149
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 3: underperforming game after game, that tells me you keep missing

1150
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: expectations even as we lower the bar and you still

1151
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 3: can't hit them. So I don't know, man, I don't

1152
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 3: think that it's over for the staff. But if I

1153
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: were the Titans fan, and I've got like a pretty

1154
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: good line starting to come together, and I've got my

1155
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 3: brand new Rokie coach. I'm not positive this is the staff.

1156
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 3: I wanted to kind of steer the ship going forward,

1157
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 3: but last year maybe we just didn't learn that much.

1158
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: Maybe they're gonna fresh start.

1159
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: I don't know. Somebody's got to be at the bottom,

1160
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: and I think joining your Cowboys and Giants, I think

1161
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 3: it's fair to put the Titans down in the mix there, right.

1162
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's just talk about the top ten. Then

1163
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: we're done talking about the bottom of the NFL. Let's

1164
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: go back to the top ten. Let's review this so again.

1165
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: You have the Niners at number one, Ravens and Chiefs

1166
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: second and third, they're in their own tier and tier

1167
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: two at number four, you have the Rams number five,

1168
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: the Bills number six, the Vikings number seven, the Green

1169
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: Bay Packers, and rounding out the top ten, you have

1170
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Charters, Seattle Seahawks, and Houston Texans. What

1171
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: would you say is probably the biggest betting takeaway that

1172
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: you could take away from these rankings when you did this.

1173
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 3: I mean number eleven, you didn't quite get to. But

1174
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: the Chicago Bears, the team that we know by now,

1175
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: I must be in on. So all in on the

1176
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: Bears taking a big step forward. If I'm going to

1177
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: say offensive line and coaching are the two big edges

1178
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 3: that I have on the market, then a team that

1179
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 3: makes a huge leap in both of those areas the Bears,

1180
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 3: I have to be in on that team for the season.

1181
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 3: Tough schedule I know, has got a big hill to climb,

1182
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 3: but in on the Bears.

1183
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: I think.

1184
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: Conversely, big warning flag for Detroit Bears fringe top ten

1185
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 3: if I'm right, Packers vikings top seven, the Lions drop

1186
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: all the way down to twenty fourth, So the Lions

1187
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 3: suddenly might be, by margin, the worst coaching staff in

1188
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 3: their own division. That's a pretty big swing. And again

1189
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,919
Speaker 3: listen to the offensive line rankings. Not quite the same fall,

1190
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: but a pretty big drop there as well. I have

1191
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 3: to be in on Chicago, have to be at least

1192
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 3: tepid with Detroit one other team super Bowl contender to

1193
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: kind of be concerned about it. At least Chiefs better

1194
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: not be too comfortable. The Chiefs dropped from one down

1195
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 3: to three. But look at how the divisions come in

1196
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 3: around them. Jim Harbaugh comes in, Sean Payton comes in,

1197
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll comes in, like, this is like the coaches

1198
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: from the last two decades of our lives and Andy Reid.

1199
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: Andy's doing great, but if they're slipping back a little bit.

1200
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 3: And now suddenly the whole division is in my top fourteen.

1201
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 3: That's for the top seven AFC teams. For a long time,

1202
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 3: the Chiefs just steamrolled right through the division. Now was

1203
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 3: part of the easy path why they were so good.

1204
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 3: I don't know if there are so many easy games

1205
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 3: now for the Chiefs anymore.

1206
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: So.

1207
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 3: Not a red flag yet, I'm not even sure it's

1208
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: orange with the Chiefs, but maybe a bit of a

1209
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: yellow flag on Kansas City. So those are a few takeaways.

1210
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 3: Thoughts on Bears Chiefs are Lions.

1211
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: I think I'm surprised on the inverse. I would have

1212
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: thought you'd probably be like, yes, we like the Bears,

1213
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: but let's you know, temper expectations. And then the Chiefs,

1214
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: considering we at some of the rankings that we've done,

1215
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: either for quarterback or skill position, it's like, oh, this

1216
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: is still the cream of the crop. I think I'm

1217
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: a little surprised that you think the Chiefs are going

1218
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: to downhear because I don't think Spagnolo or Naggy. I

1219
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: don't think any of those guys are leaving for head

1220
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: coaching rules, So I think just the continuity will still

1221
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: be there. But I think the Chicago Bears, they're a

1222
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: very popular pick to move up, especially in the NFC

1223
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: that we talked about, where there's a little bit more

1224
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: opportunity in the NFC given the quarterback disparity that we've seen.

1225
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: But I'm more interested now in some of these turnaround

1226
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: potential teams that you have, because you had five teams

1227
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: that are kind of in the turnaround potential like the Colts, Cards, Jags, Panthers, Falcons,

1228
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: and you've got two teams in the NFC South in

1229
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: a division where a lot of people are just presuming

1230
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: the Bucks are gonna win.

1231
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Bucks and Sains. We're down there at

1232
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: like bottom five of coaching. So Panthers are Falcons. If

1233
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 3: one of those staffs can take a step forward. We

1234
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: talked about Zach Robinson, could he be the hot name?

1235
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: Could Dave Canalis and Bryce Young together, could they be

1236
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 3: the name. I didn't mention that gerro averro their defensive coordinator.

1237
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,240
Speaker 3: He's been a hot name for defense for all while.

1238
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: If one of those staffs takes a step forward, that

1239
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: could be, you know, a nice division ticket for you.

1240
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 3: The Jaguars, I've talked about a few different times as

1241
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 3: a possible AFC South Division ticket. Houston's pretty far up

1242
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 3: in the rankings. But if you like Liam Cohen, if

1243
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: you like where they're going, these teams are the sort

1244
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 3: of potential tier. Not only are they like decent, they're

1245
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: in the like eighteen to twenty two range, right, but also,

1246
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: I'm not all in on these guys yet. So if

1247
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 3: something goes well for Liam Cohen or Zach Robinson some

1248
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: of these names, those teams can start to move up

1249
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: the rankings pretty quickly that way. So I want to

1250
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: go a little further down the list too, because I think,

1251
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 3: to me, in one of the easiest ways you can

1252
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: surprise as far as like an NFL futures ticket that

1253
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: you can rise up the rankings is get that hot

1254
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 3: new offensive coordinator that blows up and suddenly it's like, man,

1255
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 3: where do this offense come from? So here's a few

1256
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 3: more teams down the list. The Raiders, Chip Kelly, We'll

1257
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: see what he can do. Chip Kelly has been an

1258
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 3: exciting name for a while. It's new to the NFL,

1259
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 3: but we're seeing some of the stuff Chips done be

1260
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 3: what other guys have done to raise floors around the league.

1261
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 3: So they're around the middle of the pack. He's I

1262
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 3: have an eighteenth among offensive coordinator. If he gets up

1263
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 3: into the top ten, maybe the Raiders coaching staff gets

1264
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: to the top ten as well. Maybe they're sort of

1265
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 3: a playoff team. Then a little further down the list,

1266
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 3: guys we don't know much about tannering Strand with the Jets.

1267
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 3: We talked about him. Nick Kyley with the Texans. The

1268
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,959
Speaker 3: Texans are a team that if Nick Kayley is good,

1269
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: that's suddenly right in the super Bowl. You know, circle

1270
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 3: of teams. We had a great defense man, we figured

1271
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: out the offense.

1272
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: This is great.

1273
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 3: The Buccaneers, if Grizzard is good, could they be also

1274
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 3: maybe a surprise NFC Super Bowl team where okay, this

1275
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: actually isn't holding us back. This is a strength and

1276
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 3: from a bad to a strength. If that's a gay

1277
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 3: that's brand new, that can really swing your season in

1278
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 3: a hurry. So I think those names are names to

1279
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 3: keep an eye out on and this couple of their names.

1280
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 3: To be cautious of names. We've said a lot about

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Speaker 3: the Bucks in the Bengals if they're in the bottom

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Speaker 3: five coaching, we're talked about the box they go either

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Speaker 3: way with how Grizzard is. But I've never been a

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Speaker 3: skeptical on the Bengals. And by the way, second straight

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Speaker 3: day of the Bengals are in our bottom five offensive

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Speaker 3: the things I'm putting the most stock in and that's

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