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Speaker 6: The Supreme Court has ruled the Troub administration can deport

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Speaker 1: four years after nine to eleven, a radical Muslim mayor

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Speaker 1: to mass immigration. Mass immigration new York City heartbeat of America.

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Speaker 1: Last night it witnessed a seismic shift that you send

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Speaker 4: Last night, Zorin Mamdani, a foreign.

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Speaker 1: Born Muslim cultural Marxist, clinched the Democratic primary for mayor,

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Speaker 1: Our demographics are shifting as we import more and more

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Speaker 1: It's not just policies, understand, it's the people who believe

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Speaker 1: Alejandro Mayorcis, the guy who oversaw this massive border invasion,

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Speaker 1: on now, Libby Emmons, the editor in chief of the

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Speaker 1: I should say former New York or Libby, We're going

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Speaker 1: we're talking about this victory which has come as a

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Speaker 7: Start voting in communist policies, you can't vote them out.

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Speaker 11: President Trump and members of his cabinet are headed back

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Speaker 8: Today. You know that you talk about influencers.

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Speaker 4: These are influencers and their friends of mine.

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Speaker 1: J all right, jackzob Care are back live Human Events

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Speaker 1: these New York City results and they come as a shock,

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's like it's like we're addicted to you know,

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Speaker 4: So the first step is admitting you.

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Speaker 6: It is and I think this is a wake up

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Speaker 6: it's just an International Costco. Anyone can be a member.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, my family's been here four hundred years.

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Speaker 1: actually feel literally feel that connection to Sean, Where can

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Speaker 1: people go to follow you and everything you're putting up

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Speaker 1: we may have lost in Folks, go follow Sean Davis,

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Speaker 1: and of course check out The Federalist on line.

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Speaker 4: We right back, Jack Tobik, Human Events Daily.

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Speaker 11: Real American Court, Terrence Bates here at the Real America's

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Speaker 11: Voice in the Reel America's Voice newsroom. While let the Hey,

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Speaker 11: President Trump met with Ukrainian President Voladimir Zelensky today Ukraine.

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Speaker 11: By the way, not a member of NATO, but Zelenski

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Speaker 11: was there lobbying for continued support from European countries and

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Speaker 11: the United States in the ongoing war between this.

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Speaker 4: Country and Russia.

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Speaker 11: Here's the peacemaker in chief's view on how we sit

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Speaker 11: down with Leolinsky went.

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Speaker 8: I think I'd like to see an end of this.

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Speaker 8: I do.

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Speaker 5: I think what I took from the meeting couldn't have

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Speaker 5: been nicer. Actually, but I took from the meeting. They'd

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Speaker 5: like to see it end. I think it's a great

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Speaker 5: time to end it. I'm going to speak to Vladimir

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Speaker 5: Putin see if we can get it ended. But well,

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Speaker 5: these are brave people. They're fighting these wars all over

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Speaker 5: the place. You know, last week they had I guess close,

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Speaker 5: I told you seven close to seven thousand young soldiers,

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Speaker 5: Russian and Ukrainian soldiers were killed. Seven thousand in one week.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy. It's crazy.

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Speaker 11: And in other news, New York is said to be

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Speaker 11: where the city where dreams come true. Well, this morning,

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Speaker 11: it's also the city of political upsets. As former New

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Speaker 11: York Governor Andrew Cuomo was conceded in New York's mayor

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Speaker 11: Democratic primary. Instead, Zoran Mamdani is declaring victory in what

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Speaker 11: is considered a stunning upset. If elected in the general election,

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Speaker 11: would be the city's first Muslim and India American mayor.

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Speaker 11: The thirty three year old assemblyman has been criticized from

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Speaker 11: the right for his socialist leanings. He'll face Republican and

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Speaker 11: Guardian Angels founder Courtis Leewan the general. Incumbent Democrat Mayor

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Speaker 11: Eric Adams is also expected to be on the ballot,

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Speaker 11: but he's running as an independent. A man US courts

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Speaker 11: say was wrongfully deported to El Salvador's infamous maximum security

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Speaker 11: terrorism prison is expected to be released from a Tennessee

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Speaker 11: jail today. I'm talking about Kilmar Abrago Garcia. He was

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Speaker 11: returned to the US earlier this month and now faces

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Speaker 11: two counts of human smuggling. A court hearing on terms

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Speaker 11: for his release is set for this afternoon. That's a

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Speaker 11: check of your headlines.

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Speaker 8: Hey Jack, where's Jack?

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Speaker 4: Where's Jack? Worthy?

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Speaker 1: Jack?

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Speaker 4: I want to see you.

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Speaker 8: Great job, Jack, Thank you, what a job you do?

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Speaker 6: You know, we have an incredible thinking.

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Speaker 8: We're always talking about the fake.

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Speaker 10: News and demand, but we have guys and these are.

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Speaker 4: The guys just forgetting pulses.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jack Withsoba here, we are back live, Human

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Speaker 1: Events Daily, Real America's Voice. We're here in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 1: and we are once again honored to have on the program.

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Speaker 1: Senator Mike Lee from the great state of Utah. Senator,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. Thank you, Jack, good to

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Speaker 1: be with you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Senator. Now, Senator.

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Speaker 1: All of last week there was this raging debate online

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Speaker 1: on X I'm.

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Speaker 4: There all the time, You're there all the time, but

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Speaker 4: I noticed that, well, I was focused, you know, very.

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Speaker 1: Much so on Iran and these military strikes and what

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Speaker 1: was going to come left and regime change and all

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Speaker 1: this other stuff. You were embroiled in a totally separate

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Speaker 1: conversation that I'll admit I wasn't able to plug in

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Speaker 1: as much on that given everything that was going on

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Speaker 1: during I guess we're calling it the twelve day war now,

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Speaker 1: and so I wanted to redirect my attention to this now,

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Speaker 1: and we wanted to bring you on because I had

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Speaker 1: so many people reaching out to me saying, so many

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Speaker 1: of our viewers and listeners saying, you got to get.

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Speaker 4: The Senator on. You got to talk about this public

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Speaker 4: lands bill.

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Speaker 1: I understand the bill as of right now has been

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Speaker 1: essentially taken off the shelf, or I should say, put

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Speaker 1: back on the shelf because of the parliamentarian and the reconciliation.

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Speaker 1: But the debate is still ongoing, so I wanted to

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Speaker 1: bring you on to give us your side of it

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Speaker 1: as well as sort of an overall view of how

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Speaker 1: this got started and then where it stands down.

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Speaker 14: Thanks so much, Jack, Thanks for letting me talk about this.

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Speaker 14: The debate is ongoing, by the way, in part because

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Speaker 14: the Parliamentarian is revisiting the issue today in light of

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Speaker 14: some new information that she didn't have and some new

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Speaker 14: language that we've added. But let me summarize the problem

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Speaker 14: that we're addressing here, and then all this gribed the solution.

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Speaker 14: There's a nationwide shortage that's some estimate to be about

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Speaker 14: seven million homes.

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Speaker 8: It's not acceptable in America.

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Speaker 14: Americans deserve the chance to be able to buy a

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Speaker 14: home and the need land to do so.

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Speaker 8: Now. Coincidentally, the US government happens to.

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Speaker 14: Own about six hundred and forty million acres nearly a

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Speaker 14: third between a fourth and a third of all the

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Speaker 14: land in the United States, most of which goes unused

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Speaker 14: and is often mismanaged badly by the government. There are

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Speaker 14: a number of pieces of that land, that portfolio of

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Speaker 14: real estate that has zero recreational value. It doesn't have

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Speaker 14: significant conservation value value for hunting, fishing, grazing, hiking, and

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Speaker 14: so forth. And for that specific land and the land

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Speaker 14: I'm talking about here, I think vacant lots next to

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Speaker 14: existing residential developments, not national parks. In fact, you can't

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Speaker 14: even have it considered for sale under these provisions if

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Speaker 14: you fit into any of the fifteen or so categories

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Speaker 14: of protected federal land from national monuments, national forests, wilderness areas,

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Speaker 14: national recreation areas, wild and scenic rivers, trails, conservation areas,

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Speaker 14: and so forth.

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Speaker 8: So what's the solution.

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Speaker 14: The solution involves allowing the US government to sell off

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Speaker 14: a limited number of these parcels of land at an

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Speaker 14: affordable price to allow people to build homes, with preference

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Speaker 14: toward single family homes. And this has all kinds of

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Speaker 14: protections in it that make sure that we're not selling

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Speaker 14: off the ground jewels, nothing in any protected status. Again,

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Speaker 14: think vacant lots next to existing residential neighborhoods, and that's.

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Speaker 8: What we're talking about. There has been associated with this

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Speaker 8: effort a lot of attempts to provide misinformation.

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Speaker 14: There have been that have been put out there that

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Speaker 14: are badly misleading about what this bill actually does, suggesting

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Speaker 14: that it would sell all the land listed on a map.

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Speaker 14: The maps aren't authentic, they're not legitimate. Why will because

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Speaker 14: there's a process, there are criteria. It's impossible to come

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Speaker 14: up with a map that describes what is going to

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Speaker 14: be sold, what could be sold under it.

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Speaker 8: There's no way of communicating that accurately.

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Speaker 14: There are instead criteria and a number of processes that

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Speaker 14: people would have to follow. I would note also that

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Speaker 14: a lot of the housing shortage that we're trying to

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Speaker 14: address exists in the western United States. Remember, the US

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Speaker 14: government owns less than fifteen percent of every state to

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Speaker 14: the east of Colorado. From Colorado's eastern slope to the west,

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Speaker 14: the US government owns at least fifteen percent of the

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Speaker 14: land of every state. In most cases, it's a lot

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Speaker 14: more than that. In my state, it's more like two

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Speaker 14: thirds of the land that's owned.

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Speaker 8: By the US government.

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Speaker 14: That's where a lot of our housing shortages tend to

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Speaker 14: be the most acute. And that's where we have a

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Speaker 14: lot of existing residential neighborhoods where there are vacant federal

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Speaker 14: lots right next door, in places people already live next

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Speaker 14: to utility hookups, where people could buy homes. We should

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Speaker 14: allow that, and do so understanding that we would cap

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Speaker 14: this at no more than a fraction of one percent.

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Speaker 14: Less than one half of one percent of federal land

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Speaker 14: could even be considered for this.

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Speaker 1: Well, and Senator I did actually pull I was doing

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Speaker 1: a little bit of research. I try to do my

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Speaker 1: job around here because you know, actual journalists don't do

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Speaker 1: any do any work. So in Nevada, that's that's the

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Speaker 1: largest one. I think people have heard about this before.

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Speaker 1: It's something a lot of conservatives have talked about for years.

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Speaker 1: Eighty percent is owned by the federal government. And you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Utah, your state sixty three percent, the two thirds,

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Speaker 1: Idaho sixty one percent, Alaska sixty two percent. President Trump

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Speaker 1: has talked about drilling in Alaska and war for for

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Speaker 1: a long long time. I've been to and War, by

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Speaker 1: the way, something that a lot of people can can say,

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Speaker 1: I actually had opportunity to go there. It is not

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Speaker 1: a national park. It is not a place where it is.

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Speaker 1: It is very it's muddy, it's oily, which makes sense

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Speaker 1: because you want to drill there because there's so much

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Speaker 1: oil and so and the wildlife is very, very sparse,

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Speaker 1: and so sender, what would be I suppose your response

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Speaker 1: to some of the claims that I've seen out there

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Speaker 1: where people are saying that we'll hold on a second,

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Speaker 1: isn't this just a backdoor way for black Rock and

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Speaker 1: Blackstone and the World Economic Forum type organizations to come

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Speaker 1: in and buy up all this land and then rent

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Speaker 1: it back to people, you know, if they if they

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Speaker 1: can't afford it to you know, mass you know mass

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Speaker 1: ownership from private equity, and then get to that wef

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Speaker 1: slogan of you'll own nothing and you'll be happy. Are

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Speaker 1: there provisions that would that would prevent things like that

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Speaker 1: from happening?

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Speaker 4: Is that separate from what's going on here? What do

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Speaker 4: you say to those folks?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's one of the most commonly.

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Speaker 14: Raised arguments, one being that entities like black Rock will

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Speaker 14: buy up all this land, and another being that the

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Speaker 14: Chinese Communist Party and business enterprises associated or with it

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Speaker 14: or owned by it will gobble all this up. We're

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Speaker 14: working on solutions right now to make sure that that

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Speaker 14: never happens. I don't believe that it would happen under

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Speaker 14: the language. We're also working on additional solutions to make

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Speaker 14: sure that doesn't happen, That it can't happen, And there

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Speaker 14: are all kinds of existing protections in existing law, some

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Speaker 14: state law, some federal that would discourage that. We're going

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Speaker 14: to even go even further than that to make sure

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Speaker 14: that people understand this is not going to be a

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Speaker 14: boondoggle for anyone.

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Speaker 8: It's not going to be an opportunity.

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Speaker 14: For anyone other than individual families who want a place

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Speaker 14: to live. We're going to keep out CCP ownership, and

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Speaker 14: we're going to keep out black rock ownership, large institutional acquisition.

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Speaker 1: And so what would you say, then, I guess just

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Speaker 1: one of them actually reading some of the comments as

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Speaker 1: they come in, what would you say to the hunter

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Speaker 1: in Idaho who grew up hunting on this land and

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Speaker 1: is worried that his land might qualify for one of

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Speaker 1: these sales.

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Speaker 8: If you're hunting on land.

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Speaker 14: If you've got any activity like that, hunting, grazing, fishing,

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Speaker 14: this land isn't going to be appropriate, it's not going

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Speaker 14: to be deemed suitable for housing, and in all probability,

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Speaker 14: in fact, with a virtual certainty, if there's land on

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Speaker 14: which you've hunted, it's not going to be adjacent to

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Speaker 14: existing residential developments, nor will it be suitable for housing.

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Speaker 8: So this is not going to be part of that.

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Speaker 14: But you can always identify some theoretical basis on which

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Speaker 14: bad decisions could be made under any.

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Speaker 8: Piece of legislation, but you can't just.

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Speaker 14: Go throwing that around without looking at what the law

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Speaker 14: actually says, looking at what the proposed legislative text that's

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Speaker 14: before the Senate Parliamentarian right now being reviewed actually says

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Speaker 14: when you read the text and understand the existing law behind,

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Speaker 14: that these.

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Speaker 8: Things are not legitimate concerns.

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Speaker 14: Many of the people, not all of them, but many

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Speaker 14: of the people making these arguments are the same people who,

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Speaker 14: when pushed, will push back on any effort to reduce

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Speaker 14: the federal land footprint by even one hundredth of one

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Speaker 14: percent or even an acre. Their absolutists in this regard,

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Speaker 14: And that's folly to assume that a US government that

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Speaker 14: owns between a fourth and a third of all land

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Speaker 14: masks in the United States cannot shed even a single

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Speaker 14: lot or two to allow hard working Americans families to

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Speaker 14: build their family home.

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Speaker 1: And you know, this is something that I've been I've

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Speaker 1: been considering as well. You know, I've spent a lot

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Speaker 1: of time out there, either just traveling or you know,

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Speaker 1: for various military trainings that I've done, and there's huge

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Speaker 1: swaths of the West that are really they're just not

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Speaker 1: you know, we're not talking about the national parks, but

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Speaker 1: it's just huge swashs of of kind of nothing where

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Speaker 1: there's just really nothing there. And you know, call me

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Speaker 1: whatever you want for saying that, but it's just true.

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Speaker 1: Where it could be put, it seems like it could

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Speaker 1: be put to better use, and it seems as though

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Speaker 1: there are ways that this could be used. And I've

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Speaker 1: done hours and hours driving you know, through this area

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Speaker 1: for various things, and so when it comes down to this,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think you do hear a lot of

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Speaker 1: people and it does become emotional because and by the way,

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Speaker 1: this comes up in the context of the Alaska debates

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Speaker 1: so much, where people have this image of Alaska that

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Speaker 1: it's just this massive national park that people might want

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Speaker 1: to visit one day, and there are incredible, the glaciers.

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Speaker 4: And the national park.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing. By the way, we are

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Speaker 1: Mount McKinley users around here, not Mount Denali. And so

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Speaker 1: people miss the fact though that there are also vast

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Speaker 1: swaps of Alaska that are completely untouched. They have drilling

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Speaker 1: under them and it wouldn't affect anything, but the environmentalists

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Speaker 1: or other lobbies use that to prevent access to those

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Speaker 1: resources exactly.

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Speaker 14: And look, if you've spent any time in Utah, I

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Speaker 14: would encourage you to consider a drive between Saint George

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Speaker 14: in the south up to Ogden in the north.

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Speaker 8: On I fifteen. Now, driving on I fifteen.

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Speaker 14: During that expanse, you'll travel most of the length of

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Speaker 14: the state. You'll drive through a number of cities and towns.

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Speaker 14: You won't drive through any wilderness areas or national parks,

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Speaker 14: because that's not how the interstate works. But you will

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Speaker 14: drive through countless cities and towns, countless neighborhoods, communities where

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Speaker 14: people live. Immediately next to those will be countless vacant lots,

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Speaker 14: many of which are.

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Speaker 8: Owned by the US government.

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Speaker 14: Those lots are not national parks, they're not suitable for

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Speaker 14: wilderness areas. They're not part of a national forest or

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Speaker 14: any other protected federal land status category. They are most

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Speaker 14: naturally and most beneficially used by the American people as

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Speaker 14: housing because they're right next to housing and should be

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Speaker 14: available for consideration for the construction of housing.

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Speaker 1: We've got a quick break coming up here by the way.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to think of what the name of

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Speaker 1: it was. Pebble Mind. Pebble Mine up in Alaska is

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Speaker 1: one of these great deposits that I've talked about where

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Speaker 1: it's just it's you go there, and they flew us

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Speaker 1: out on a helicopter and we landed right out, and

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Speaker 1: they said, well, you know, beleave our feet is a

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars in copper. I said, did you bring a shovel?

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Speaker 1: And you look around there's just nothing. There's just nothing around.

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Speaker 1: It's just open rocks and scrub grass, and that's about it.

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Speaker 4: And what's preventing it is a lot of this red tape.

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Speaker 1: So there are instances where I could find myself in agreement.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that there are serious questions and

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Speaker 1: serious concerns as well, because we do want to keep

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Speaker 1: our public lands beautiful when they are we right Backjack

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Speaker 4: Jack is a great guys. Everybody's talking about it. You'll

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Speaker 5: He's Brett right from and turning around.

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Speaker 9: When I'm working long hours, I'm always listening to Human

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Speaker 1: All right, Jack psopk, We're back Human Events Daily. We're

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Speaker 1: continuing our interview with Senator Mike Lee, and we're asking

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Speaker 1: questions about this this public land deal.

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Speaker 4: This public land bill, which.

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Speaker 1: And now the current status of which is that it's

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Speaker 1: not going to be in the reconcilat or potentially not

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Speaker 1: in the Reconciliation Bill because the Senate Parlati Parbleamentarian has

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Speaker 1: put the brakes on it. However, that might be reopened

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Speaker 1: or revisited at another time.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I'm looking at.

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Speaker 1: The chat, and I see people in the chat, and

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Speaker 1: Senator I'm sure you've seen it online as well.

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Speaker 4: I know you've seen it online as well. That there

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Speaker 4: are some people who.

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Speaker 1: Say I like it because it helps with the debt,

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Speaker 1: helps with.

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Speaker 4: The housing issue.

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Speaker 1: I see a lot of other people saying, hey, wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, I don't want to lose our public lands.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to lose our national parks. This land

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Speaker 1: is there for you know, throwing Teddy Roosevelt quotes in

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Speaker 1: that you know.

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Speaker 4: This is for our posterity.

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Speaker 1: This is for our beautiful lands, for hunting and fishing

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Speaker 1: and hiking and selling it off to developers, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. I'm sure you've heard all of these criticisms

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Speaker 1: as well. Walk me through how these federal plots that

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Speaker 1: you're talking about are different from these these national park

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Speaker 1: areas that people are so concerned about.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, very very different. National parks and National wilderness areas

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Speaker 14: for things like that, they've been designated and set aside

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Speaker 14: for non use. In the case of wilderness areas and

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Speaker 14: national parks, for example, normally they have some type of

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Speaker 14: nique quality that makes them especially beautiful, and they tend

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Speaker 14: to be remote and detached from where people are living.

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Speaker 8: Nothing like that.

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Speaker 14: Nothing included within that could even be considered under this proposal.

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Speaker 14: This proposal deals with again, it's best to think of

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Speaker 14: these as vacant lots next to existing established residential neighborhoods,

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Speaker 14: and so an individual anyone could nominate this.

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Speaker 8: It's patterned after a law that's.

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Speaker 14: Been around for decades called the Recreation and Public Purposes Act,

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Speaker 14: that allows, for purposes of establishing a trail or anything

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Speaker 14: else deemed to be a public purpose, you can sell

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Speaker 14: some federal land as appropriate for those purposes. In this circumstance,

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Speaker 14: when somebody nominates a parcel, it initiates a review process

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Speaker 14: within the US Department of the interior, and if the

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Speaker 14: land is deemed a suitable and appropriate for housing and

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Speaker 14: it doesn't run a foul off any of the many

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Speaker 14: exemptions and protections that are in there, that it could

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Speaker 14: ultimately be placed for sale and could be transferred to

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Speaker 14: a unit of local government in that area, which would

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Speaker 14: in turn oversee the process by which that could be

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Speaker 14: developed into single family residential housing. Would be the preference

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Speaker 14: under the bill, and they could do so at a

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Speaker 14: what we sometimes refer to as a as an affordable rate,

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Speaker 14: and it would allow individual families to purchase land or

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Speaker 14: purposes of building a home. So when we work with that,

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Speaker 14: this does rather than we just listen to the scare

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Speaker 14: monitoring tactics of those who say you're going to destroy

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Speaker 14: the National park system, look at the facts. This doesn't

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Speaker 14: hit national parks or any of the other protected areas.

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Speaker 14: Is vacant loss next to where people already live, next

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Speaker 14: to utility hookups and connections, places where there are already roads.

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Speaker 14: This is not something that you should worry about in

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Speaker 14: terms of destroying the legacy of Theodore Roosevelt.

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Speaker 8: Now, look, if you're one of those people who.

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Speaker 14: Who believes as if a matter of first principles, as

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Speaker 14: if an article of faith that the current land footprint

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Speaker 14: of the United States government is somehow written onto stone

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Speaker 14: tablets and handed down from on high and designated to

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Speaker 14: be perpetually in federal ownership. You're not going to like

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Speaker 14: this bill if that's what you believe. But if you

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Speaker 14: do believe that, I think that is a mistake. If,

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Speaker 14: on the other hand, you want, Senator you believe just

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Speaker 14: just go to be going for a house. I allown

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Speaker 14: here families to be able to afford housing, to have

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Speaker 14: a greater supply, particularly an enterest where they.

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Speaker 4: Would that be codified into the bill as.

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Speaker 1: The case of my state, but you'll feel people about it,

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Speaker 1: would that be codified into the bill? This maybe preferential

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Speaker 1: treatment for families, going along with some of the family

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Speaker 1: policies that President Trump and JD.

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Speaker 4: Vans have put out there as well.

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Speaker 14: Yes, and in that respect, it's good to think of

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Speaker 14: these as freedom zone housing opportunities for families because of

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Speaker 14: this preference built into the text for single family housing.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think built into the text.

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Speaker 1: That's something that a lot of people and I can see,

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Speaker 1: are asking for. And people remember forty acres and a

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Speaker 1: mule and you know, this is sort of how the

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Speaker 1: West was was was founded, how the West was one.

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Speaker 1: And I think that people understandably have concerns when whenever

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Speaker 1: the federal government is talking about doing something like this.

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Speaker 4: But I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you sharing

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Speaker 4: with us.

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Speaker 1: Where can people go to follow you and get all

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Speaker 1: the information that you're putting out from your side of

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Speaker 1: this as well?

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Speaker 14: I think you always go to lead dot Senate dot

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Speaker 14: dot gov, where we have up to date information on

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Speaker 14: this bill and what it does and where it's going.

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Speaker 4: Lead dot Senate dot gov.

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Speaker 1: Senator, thank you so much for joining us once again

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