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Speaker 2: That's how you feeling, That's how you're feeling. The rebuilders
Speaker 2: among us. Yeah, I ain't with that, man, I ain't
Speaker 2: with that. For weeks.
Speaker 5: Man, I've been saying weeks man, you already hear first
Speaker 5: rebuild it's coming, guys, it's coming.
Speaker 2: You know, the T shirts to fight, the resilience.
Speaker 4: Or whatever it was, the rebuild quotations of Cape Omnia
Speaker 4: all that.
Speaker 3: The rebuild.
Speaker 2: I'm not going foundation, I'm not. I Am just not
Speaker 2: going to the ground up.
Speaker 4: Let's let's let's dive into your hypothesis, your thoughts, ladies,
Speaker 4: I think it is. So when you say rebuild, how
Speaker 4: are you going to go about that in this draft?
Speaker 4: How are you going about this rebuilt? When you say rebuild,
Speaker 4: that means you're going to.
Speaker 5: Let things fall, that implode, or let this inevitable walk.
Speaker 4: Okay, So who's walking and and what leads you into this?
Speaker 5: Well, you're not gonna let you know, the big Mazuoka walk.
Speaker 5: I mean that we all understand that. I mean's one
Speaker 5: of the top defensive players in the game. And I'm
Speaker 5: talking about Michael Parsons. You can't let somebody like that wall.
Speaker 5: So he'll be here. You got the digs, he's under contract,
Speaker 5: he'll be here. I cannot see. I think Ceede Lamb's
Speaker 5: kind of on that same level as far as Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5: You can't let them go. So you get you got
Speaker 5: those three pieces right there. Those those are your core.
Speaker 5: Those gonna be your foundation going forward. That's gonna be
Speaker 5: you're building a house, you're putting it on pillars, you're
Speaker 5: on the hill, whatever, those are gonna be your pillars.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: The reason I say rebuild is I don't believe they're
Speaker 5: gonna bring any more cats in to make this all in,
Speaker 5: We're going for the super Bowl, putting all our chips
Speaker 5: into the bag right here. This is gonna be our
Speaker 5: team that we think has an opportunity to go far.
Speaker 5: I think when you talk about a rebuild, you're gonna
Speaker 5: get draft pieces that add depth in places the line,
Speaker 5: like we talked about maybe second level with linebackers, get
Speaker 5: some young offensive linemen and develop.
Speaker 2: And we understand what the Cowboys do.
Speaker 5: They they bring in guys and they do a great
Speaker 5: job developing this young talent. But when you talk about
Speaker 5: a rebuild, I don't see going forward. It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough because when
Speaker 5: you got you know, right now, our quarterback Dak Prescott,
Speaker 5: he has the Cowboys kind of just hamstrung right now.
Speaker 5: I mean, he just no trade clause. He's hit this
Speaker 5: sixty million dollar cap hit against this team. So in
Speaker 5: order for this team to go forward, you gotta find
Speaker 5: a way to kind of reduce that cap number and
Speaker 5: make him that guy.
Speaker 2: And I just I just don't see it going forward.
Speaker 2: Do y'all see that going forward?
Speaker 5: Do y'all see this Cowboys team paying Dak sixty some
Speaker 5: million a year and ham stringing the rest of your team.
Speaker 3: I don't see it.
Speaker 2: So I think what's interesting. And you started saying rebuild
Speaker 2: probably two months ago, right after the playoff loss Houston.
Speaker 2: That's that's been your word, keyword, rebuild. And I don't
Speaker 2: And the reason I don't see it is because of
Speaker 2: the guys that you lost, all right, And if we
Speaker 2: go Tyron Smith, Tyron Smith has had Newly on the
Speaker 2: edge of his seat for years seven say I'm selving,
Speaker 2: And the same with Danny mccraig. He's been with. You've
Speaker 2: been wondering, is this guy going to obviously make it
Speaker 2: to day one? Right? Even the other guys that you
Speaker 2: let go, you know, coaches leave, they get other jobs.
Speaker 2: What do they do? They take guys with them. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what dan Quinn did. He took the guys
Speaker 2: that were available in the cupboard with him. If we
Speaker 2: say Darrence Armstrong, a guy that really had a good Hey,
Speaker 2: had a good season, couple of seasons, a favorite of
Speaker 2: the Jones family, but a guy that I think I
Speaker 2: always closely relate his career with that of guy Randy Gregory.
Speaker 2: They're always going to be loosely associated with one another
Speaker 2: because of Randy Gregory's contract and Darrince Armstrong and I
Speaker 2: think that once he got signed, he didn't exceed expectations
Speaker 2: by any means, So letting him go, I'm not saying, look,
Speaker 2: you didn't need a player like that right now, but
Speaker 2: still no harm, no foul. You got a guy in
Speaker 2: your cupboard right now that you feel like it at
Speaker 2: least replace and have that same impact defensively as Darren
Speaker 2: Mstrong had. I feel as though the Cowboys right now,
Speaker 2: with the guys that they have on the team and
Speaker 2: what they can't potentially do through free agency, we're not done.
Speaker 2: And also into the draft, you can feel those voids.
Speaker 2: So to me, the wholesale rebuild that you're talking about
Speaker 2: isn't isn't there? All right? The other part about the
Speaker 2: only thing that really worries me really is that Dak's contract.
Speaker 2: Because you are hamstrung, you can't make any additional moves,
Speaker 2: You can't sign any guys to these record breaking breaking contracts,
Speaker 2: but you still have years to negotiate that. Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 2: still has a year on this deal. Now, we do
Speaker 2: know when Ezekiel Elliott got to that point he was
Speaker 2: jogging in Cabo and wouldn't play under the under that contract.
Speaker 2: But Ceede Lamb doesn't seem to be in the same
Speaker 2: mode as Zeke was at the time, So I'm not
Speaker 2: worried there and I and I don't think that you'll
Speaker 2: lose your star players because teams don't necessarily get rid
Speaker 2: of young, productive players across the league in general. Right,
Speaker 2: And so the point to me is working out the
Speaker 2: d contract. If you're gonna maneuver through it, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to work this contract. And he has the ironclad
Speaker 2: no trade clause in that contract. So look, no matter
Speaker 2: how you get this done, you gotta find a way
Speaker 2: to get it done, and you got to find a
Speaker 2: way to get it done that works for the team
Speaker 2: as well. And if anybody needs to do that, it's
Speaker 2: that it's that his legacy essentially is attached to this. Now,
Speaker 2: if y'all want to play the devil's advocate, which I'm
Speaker 2: sure na you will, you will do that at any moment,
Speaker 2: you know. But I think we just have to look
Speaker 2: at this and say, all right, what are the pressing
Speaker 2: needs right now for the Dallas Cowboys. And we've gone
Speaker 2: over that offensive line defensive line, linebackers. Would you like
Speaker 2: to get another running back? Yeah? Would you like to
Speaker 2: get another wide receiver in there as well? Yeah? And
Speaker 2: so all of those things are still on the table,
Speaker 2: and you can still find those guys right now. But
Speaker 2: to say that we are in a wholesale rebuild mode,
Speaker 2: better gone with that. Man. You just name them off about.
Speaker 5: Six different positions that this team needs, and I think
Speaker 5: you can't. I don't see them getting all that at
Speaker 5: once and just being okay, we're ready to role for
Speaker 5: this playoff push. Yes, you got important pieces your quarterback,
Speaker 5: you got wide receiver. If you know, things get done.
Speaker 5: And you know you say you don't see him in
Speaker 5: that same mode. We all understand money talks, man, and
Speaker 5: if ain't on the table for him, I don't necessarily
Speaker 5: see CD Lamb coming out here and doing the OTA's
Speaker 5: doing the trading camp unless he has a deal right there.
Speaker 5: Oh man three for seventy five and you see him
Speaker 5: getting people are getting paid around him. So he's sitting
Speaker 5: there like, man, hold on, where's my duckets at? Talking
Speaker 5: about Davonte Smith. He just you know, signed three years
Speaker 5: seventy five million with a with a Philly So to me,
Speaker 5: I just there's a lot of holes that this team
Speaker 5: has to feel to be competitive in my opinion, as
Speaker 5: far as when you talk about reaching that Super Bowl, now,
Speaker 5: they'll be competitive within the division, they'll you don't have
Speaker 5: a great regular season, But when you talk about being
Speaker 5: one of those championship contending teams as of right now,
Speaker 5: the way this roster is built, I just don't see
Speaker 5: it happening.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to try to find an example where
Speaker 4: I said, Hey, who was a team that was contending
Speaker 4: that all of a sudden they had to look at
Speaker 4: the salary cap and say, we got to get some
Speaker 4: people out here, and we got to change our.
Speaker 3: Team and was still able to compete.
Speaker 4: Go to Green Bay, got rid of Rogers, traded him,
Speaker 4: Love came into play, and obviously he's on a rookie
Speaker 4: deal versus the money that Rogers was making.
Speaker 3: But still they had the cap hit they had to
Speaker 3: deal with.
Speaker 4: And they had to get rid of several veteran and
Speaker 4: very good players and had to go with younger guys.
Speaker 3: Made the playoffs. We watched them get in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: We were a part of it.
Speaker 4: Yes, So Church, I hear what you're saying there are
Speaker 4: tough decisions that have to be made and the consequences
Speaker 4: of keeping some players because you've got not just this year,
Speaker 4: you've got a multiple of contracts that are going to
Speaker 4: be coming up down the road, not just Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4: You got to deal with the Ron Bland at some
Speaker 4: point in time, Zach Martin, Tank Lawrence. These guys have
Speaker 4: deals that are going to be coming So you're going
Speaker 4: to see changes within the roster, which means this draft
Speaker 4: and how they approach free agency the rest of the way,
Speaker 4: and when I say the rest of the way, meaning
Speaker 4: the guys who didn't get got who are looking for
Speaker 4: jobs that you say, hey, look man, what do you
Speaker 4: think you know? And maybe it's where Zimmer goes in
Speaker 4: and find some of his guys. Hey, you know, if
Speaker 4: you like to play, we have this money available to you,
Speaker 4: and you try to fit pieces together. This is where
Speaker 4: you have to lean on Will mcclay's expertise, Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 4: ability as a coach to try to make this thing work.
Speaker 4: Looking at it from your standpoint and people nationally, yeah,
Speaker 4: it doesn't look good, but this is not a situation
Speaker 4: that is uncommon in this At some point in time,
Speaker 4: you gotta pay. This is true, the bills come do
Speaker 4: this is true. But does that sound like a competitive
Speaker 4: team to you?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 5: Filling big needs with guys that may be past their
Speaker 5: prime or be free agents as opposed to guys that
Speaker 5: can come in and make an immediate impact. Does that
Speaker 5: feel like a competitive team to you, guys? I think
Speaker 5: that any team, that's what you need.
Speaker 2: You know this. You need guys that can come right
Speaker 2: out of the draft, right off the bus, and can
Speaker 2: come right on the field and play. It doesn't always
Speaker 2: work like that. I'm not gonna say any names, but
Speaker 2: we know there are some guys that disappointed us. Look
Speaker 2: when I look at this roster, and especially right now
Speaker 2: going into the draft, I already said, offensive line, you
Speaker 2: gotta get an offensive line. You gotta get a center,
Speaker 2: you gotta get a guard. You gotta get something to
Speaker 2: fill in for your center and your guard position. And
Speaker 2: behind that, I think defensive line is going to be
Speaker 2: another one of those. Is it for me? And when
Speaker 2: it comes down to Zimmer it's the same thing with
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy last year. What is that offense gonna look like?
Speaker 2: I'm asking, what is this defense gonna look like? Because
Speaker 2: if from and correct me if I'm wrong, I thought
Speaker 2: that Zimmer was one of those flex guys three four
Speaker 2: you know, majority then four to three, So we know
Speaker 2: that he doesn't have the personnel to do to do that.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people have been asking
Speaker 2: for Michael to get the best Michael you can get.
Speaker 2: You might want to move him to a three four,
Speaker 2: And I always rely on you for that because you
Speaker 2: played in a lot of three four d one of
Speaker 2: the best three four defenses in Duval And so look,
Speaker 2: I think with the wholesale changes that are coming, you'll
Speaker 2: already set in certain positions at cornerback. I don't do
Speaker 2: are we worried about the cornerback position. I mean we
Speaker 2: were worried about Treyvon in his need, okay, but we
Speaker 2: know what we get from him as a player. Dron Blaine,
Speaker 2: you know what you're gonna get from him. I think
Speaker 2: your linebackers are going to be so much better if
Speaker 2: they don't have to fight through the minutia to get
Speaker 2: to the actual ball carrier, so that that that kind
Speaker 2: of works itself out. And so Barry, I think I
Speaker 2: don't say rebuild because I look around at the teams
Speaker 2: that do it in spa of like San Francisco. If
Speaker 2: you take them for example, I think they're loaded on offense.
Speaker 2: They are, you, Debo McCaffrey. They got everything you need. Defensively,
Speaker 2: they have a lot as well, But we never talk
Speaker 2: about that secondary. We never mentioned that secondary. We never
Speaker 2: mentioned their qurnerbacks because oh Fred, we're always okay. But
Speaker 2: every team has its weakness. But we're looking at the
Speaker 2: Cowboys and saying they got multiple weaknesses.
Speaker 4: The Niners are so good up front that you can
Speaker 4: cover up the wards and exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's and that's what I'm saying, where you have
Speaker 2: to fill in those holes on offensive on the offensive
Speaker 2: line and defensive line cures all of that to my point,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm That's what I'm saying, and that's where
Speaker 2: the importance to me has to lie in getting better
Speaker 2: on the front.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I just I hear offensive line. I read
Speaker 4: these drafts offices off line. Can we go back and
Speaker 4: look at the last three losses in the place else
Speaker 4: to to San Francisco and one of Green Bay.
Speaker 3: They've had the.
Speaker 4: Ball shoved down their throat. That's true, I mean, and
Speaker 4: it's been to the point of hey, we're gonna start off.
Speaker 4: I mean, think about it, because Green Bays coach was
Speaker 4: with with Shanahan in Washington and so they did the
Speaker 4: same same basic game. We're gonna run this ball down
Speaker 4: your throat. Yeah, we're gonna get a lead and it's
Speaker 4: gonna be wrapped. You're gonna be playing from behind. So
Speaker 4: when I see these mock drafts about the offensive line
Speaker 4: and and yes they need a center. If you don't
Speaker 4: fix this off defensive line early, when are you going
Speaker 4: to fix it? Because the best players are, especially defensive players,
Speaker 4: you got to get them. It's not like you sit
Speaker 4: around here. Hey man, we found this gym right here
Speaker 4: in the seventh.
Speaker 2: Round, you know, we stumbled upon were about to get
Speaker 2: another j ratlift here.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to bet on that. You
Speaker 3: need to go handle this thing up front. And I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Mizzie Smith had shoulder surgery. Maybe so you think about
Speaker 3: man lost a lot of weight that was an issue.
Speaker 3: Now says got shoulder surgery. I have not seen the
Speaker 3: young man.
Speaker 4: Haven't talked to anybody recently about the young man on
Speaker 4: the record who wants to put anything on the record.
Speaker 4: But should we be trusting Mizzi Smith to say, ah,
Speaker 4: we're good, We're good at the d line.
Speaker 2: Think so I don't have a reference of a guy
Speaker 2: that's had a bad first year and then it recovered
Speaker 2: in his second year to be in All Pro or
Speaker 2: at least Pro Bowl. Thank you all right, thank you
Speaker 2: for digging that out. I mean, but you right, but
Speaker 2: but you go right, come on, Jared right Tripolomo, come on,
Speaker 2: do you soway? He goes to the mountains. So that
Speaker 2: wasn't what I was expecting.
Speaker 4: Show you that he about to go.
Speaker 2: Jerry Wright truck you as wait to seal your point
Speaker 2: doing Yeah, but you know, look, giving up on a
Speaker 2: second year player. I don't think the Cowboys are going
Speaker 2: to do that. But I do think you have to
Speaker 2: go into the draft and also get a defensive lineman.
Speaker 2: And that's why I was saying, second round maybe your
Speaker 2: better bet to go and get a guy like that.
Speaker 2: But you know, offensive line wise, getting this thing fixed
Speaker 2: up front is going to be foremost and we have man,
Speaker 2: I am definitely afraid right now where we are at
Speaker 2: the running back position. I'll just voice it. And that's
Speaker 2: my biggest thing right now is what are they thinking
Speaker 2: at running back and unless something happens in free agency
Speaker 2: there or at least in the draft where there's a
Speaker 2: name that you can trust and say, oh, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a guy that I know we can he's that guy
Speaker 2: right now. Rico dald and Duzban is your Day one starters.
Speaker 2: And I don't feel comfortable there, all right.
Speaker 4: Okay, run semc Christian McCaffrey. Let the league rush first
Speaker 4: round pick. After that, Derrick Henry number two, six yards
Speaker 4: second round pick, Kyrin Williams of the Rams was the
Speaker 4: third lead in Russian league.
Speaker 3: I don't know where he was taking. That is James Cook,
Speaker 3: not doubting, but James Cook number four.
Speaker 2: Not to Davonte, but doubt number five.
Speaker 4: The brothers DeAndre Swift, who Detroit said bye, and Philly
Speaker 4: had him for a year fifth and then Philly said
Speaker 4: go away, and now he's in Chicago.
Speaker 3: Then it's James Connor. Then we have a first round.
Speaker 4: Pick at number seven, and Najie Harris. Then Joe Mixon eight,
Speaker 4: who was a second round pick who Cincinnati said bye.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: Then he got Daved Montgomery Detroit ninth, and then Raheem
Speaker 4: Mostert of Miami was ten.
Speaker 3: And I only bring this up to say, the running.
Speaker 4: Back deal is all about the play caller and how
Speaker 4: they want to utilize the guy. I thought, this is me.
Speaker 4: I thought old boy from Texas is gonna set it
Speaker 4: on fire. I thought he was going to be for
Speaker 4: sure a top five running back. Arthur Smith decided not
Speaker 4: to really use the guy. Yeah, John Robinson. So we'll
Speaker 4: just have to see where it is man, I mean
Speaker 4: Tony Pollard.
Speaker 3: You know where Tony Pollard was last year in the
Speaker 3: league in russiing wasn't where he wanted to be at twelve.
Speaker 4: Wow, yes, yes, twelve, fourth round pick twelve, So yeah,
Speaker 4: Bjon was fifteenth by the way, So well.
Speaker 3: Tech, I hear your concern about it.
Speaker 4: If you can block up front and your quarterback returns
Speaker 4: to being a pro, a pro player, you just need
Speaker 4: some guys who can figure out how to pick up
Speaker 4: a third and two, who can who can punch it
Speaker 4: in first and five from the five. That's my that's
Speaker 4: to me, that's my bigger concern. And we were talking
Speaker 4: in the break before the show about Amani Bailey at TCU.
Speaker 4: I can see them deciding to hey, let's try to
Speaker 4: fix up front a little bit and give Zim r
Speaker 4: some more what he wants defensively, and then help the
Speaker 4: offensive line and then try to get a guy like
Speaker 4: that a little bit at the back end. Xavier Worthy
Speaker 4: is a guy they brought in who, if he's not hurt,
Speaker 4: is probably the number one running back off the board,
Speaker 4: and maybe even a first round pick if he's not hurt.
Speaker 2: But you're talking about the running back and.
Speaker 3: Text running bat. Yeah, but I'm not worthy. I'm sorry
Speaker 3: to Brooks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, I'm sorry. Not worthy with Brooks. Brooks,
Speaker 2: but you're you're a mister, you are a mister. Time proof, inconsistency.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen either of those things for the two
Speaker 2: running backs that we're talking about. If we're gonna go
Speaker 2: into a running back by committee situation, we're gonna have
Speaker 2: to at least have a guy the day one that
Speaker 2: we can trust. You start the season right now with rico' daddle.
Speaker 2: That is the great unknown because you don't know, you
Speaker 2: have you have no idea if that third and two
Speaker 2: can be picked up by ric o' daddle and.
Speaker 5: You can see if we had the twenty sixteen offensive
Speaker 5: line of Dallas Cowboys had when you have friends, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'll go with that Tyrens this one.
Speaker 2: Right now, third and two. Knew he could get it.
Speaker 3: He got out.
Speaker 2: I know you got it.
Speaker 4: Man, this is it's gonna be warts no matter what.
Speaker 4: At this point in time, there's gonna be some warts.
Speaker 4: It's gonna come out of this draft and freezing. I'm
Speaker 4: worried about this and worried about that. If your offensive
Speaker 4: line is not taken care of, you can't stop the run.
Speaker 4: You can't run the ball. Smith ain't gonna help you
Speaker 4: back then, true, you know, so you've got to fix
Speaker 4: these is there gonna be a superstar there, No, they'll
Speaker 4: be it. You'll be able to find a free agent
Speaker 4: running back, and I think you'll be able to go
Speaker 4: out and find yourself a running back. You know, they
Speaker 4: go get Terrell Davis in the fifth round like Denver
Speaker 4: did in the sixth round where they got I don't know,
Speaker 4: but I'm not. The mock drafts are in line with you. Heckma,
Speaker 4: where they've got the Cowboys taking running back in one
Speaker 4: of their first three picks.
Speaker 2: You don't think that's smart.
Speaker 3: I don't always say I think it's smart. Show me
Speaker 3: who's there? You know the kids from Florida State is
Speaker 3: a good player.
Speaker 4: But man, I am worried about that d line, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you they ran on them like this
Speaker 4: last year, what you gonna do now like that?
Speaker 2: But this is a problem that we've been dealing with
Speaker 2: for years, but.
Speaker 3: It's worse now.
Speaker 2: We were just all in dead when we trusted. Now
Speaker 2: I ain't walking through that. No, no, no, we're talking
Speaker 2: about last year's issues under dead Quinn and before that
Speaker 2: it was coach Nolan.
Speaker 3: So where did we fix it? So right now Mozzie
Speaker 3: Smith has started.
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, look, we've already talked about those. I don't
Speaker 2: feel good about it. I don't feel good about it,
Speaker 2: but I'm not loading him up and putting him in
Speaker 2: the recycle. Ben on his second year.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you got to reload it.
Speaker 4: But I'm not just sitting up here letting him go
Speaker 4: all the way, big fellow, give it a good try.
Speaker 3: I need some help.
Speaker 2: He knows that. I mean, he knows that.
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: And plus, you're gonna need a rotation in the National
Speaker 4: Football League at seventeen games anyway, You're gonna need some guys.
Speaker 3: Hankins is going. I mean, I'm scared, right now you're.
Speaker 5: Gonta worried about that level or the second level when
Speaker 5: you can talk about linebackers.
Speaker 4: Well, if man, if Mozzie sitting up there and that
Speaker 4: get turned around like he did Daddy Jack, like even
Speaker 4: kind of one of that on that second level, you
Speaker 4: got Rick.
Speaker 5: You know, he was also a part of one of
Speaker 5: the worst defenses you know in the league.
Speaker 2: Last year we talked about the Chargers and you gotta
Speaker 2: get a rookie year you watched a lot of charger
Speaker 2: I was watching.
Speaker 5: You got Clark in there who struggled at times last year,
Speaker 5: Bell as well, and the kid from Texas coming back
Speaker 5: from an A c L.
Speaker 4: So we don't know what he's gonna be able to do. Brother,
Speaker 4: this questions that a lot of question. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of questions, but I do you don't If you don't
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Speaker 4: with the day off, so I stopped watching those shows
Speaker 4: in the morning.
Speaker 2: Oh you gotta watch them. Come on, man, get your
Speaker 2: blood boiling. Do have it with your coffee. Get up,
Speaker 2: you want to hear some Listen.
Speaker 4: Look, I understand, especially being in TV. I know what
Speaker 4: the game is. Okay, I know, I know how it works.
Speaker 4: So it's just throwing this meat, don't Cowboy talk is
Speaker 4: meat that they throw into the shark and everybody wants
Speaker 4: to get a chew on and people buy it. Okay,
Speaker 4: you know it's never in Kansas City talk, you know,
Speaker 4: and they got some issues going on.
Speaker 3: Up over there.
Speaker 4: But no, it's this cowboy talk that's gonna always get everybody.
Speaker 4: Adam Schefter old album What If Dallas decided to take
Speaker 4: a quarterback? And so I said, I don't watch. What
Speaker 4: I get is things that pop up on my social
Speaker 4: media feed, and then I have the ESPN alerts to
Speaker 4: my phone, and so when they do something on Cowboys,
Speaker 4: it jumps up on my phone, and I didn't pay
Speaker 4: a whole lot of attention to it. Then I just
Speaker 4: saw one of the clips where Schefter talked about it,
Speaker 4: and I guess they asked swagu over their former cowboy
Speaker 4: Marcus Spears. And then the twenty fourth pick, what about
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix was part of the conversation, and I just
Speaker 4: shake my head at it. From the simple standpoint. If
Speaker 4: you know the history of Jerry Jones and drafting quarterbacks,
Speaker 4: you know that he's drafted exactly one in the first round.
Speaker 4: Did you know what it was? Troy nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 4: the first ever pick. He's not done that.
Speaker 3: Since thirty five years ago.
Speaker 4: When do they draft quarterbacks? When does he feel comfortable
Speaker 4: drafting quarterbacks? Round four, Dak Prescott, fourth round, the kid
Speaker 4: Stephen McGee. When they took the Texas A and M
Speaker 4: fourth round, they took Mike White at a lot Tech
Speaker 4: in the fifth round.
Speaker 2: This blast from the past.
Speaker 4: Mike White, Yeah, Mike White that he looked at Paxton
Speaker 4: Lynch in the first round. It didn't work out, and
Speaker 4: they eventually landed on Dak Prescott in the fourth round.
Speaker 4: Trey Lance was got was traded for what a fourth round?
Speaker 4: Fourth round. So when people talk about the Cowboys taking
Speaker 4: a quarterback this year, there's your quarterback. They used a
Speaker 4: draft pick on Trey Lance. That's the quarterback. Now.
Speaker 3: Someone said on one of our shows, here, hey Pennix,
Speaker 3: there twenty four boy, you may want to look at
Speaker 3: this thing.
Speaker 2: Who said that.
Speaker 3: Listen to the shows and you'll find out. Okay, because
Speaker 3: I'm not throwing shade. It was just there.
Speaker 4: But I I.
Speaker 3: Can't see taking quarterback.
Speaker 4: With all of these He's just in a list of
Speaker 4: all thems you need.
Speaker 3: Now, if they do, then what you said, mister Church, this.
Speaker 2: Is the rebuild. Take that. Take that where a QB?
Speaker 2: Does that help you?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 5: Like you just said, with all those holes that you need,
Speaker 5: feel just on the defensive side of the ball alone,
Speaker 5: you know, how does getting a quarterback in the first
Speaker 5: round help you. He's not gonna play unless, like you said,
Speaker 5: they plan on doing something with Prescott that we don't know,
Speaker 5: but he's not gonna help you. And not only Trey
Speaker 5: Lances there, you got Cooper Rush as well. Four quarterbacks
Speaker 5: who went out exactly who is extremely serviceable out there.
Speaker 5: He went four and one when Dak went down, Like,
Speaker 5: you got a great backup sitting right there. Who you
Speaker 5: know I doubted early but I was proven wrong. But
Speaker 5: you got to backup quarterbacks right there in your stable already.
Speaker 5: You got so many other needs. This is not a
Speaker 5: draft where you can be like, you know, let's just
Speaker 5: pick up something that we may need.
Speaker 2: In the future.
Speaker 5: This is a draft where you better hit on all
Speaker 5: your picks or you will be in that you know,
Speaker 5: rebuild T shirt era that we talk about. So to me,
Speaker 5: I just don't see where a quarterback can help you, right,
Speaker 5: It's to be a lot of money. Think about that.
Speaker 4: Well, for between Dak's money brand, Dak making making almost sixty,
Speaker 4: Lance make his numbers about five. Then you have Cooper
Speaker 4: talking about Pinnis four quarterbacks? How how does that make
Speaker 4: any That's why when I hear this stuff, that's.
Speaker 2: Why I don't watch see Okay, So instead of being
Speaker 2: the devil's advocate, let's just go and go straight devil
Speaker 2: on this. Let's call it how it is, because if
Speaker 2: you do something like that, you're not gonna have Dak here.
Speaker 2: At the same time, it's not gonna work, okay, and
Speaker 2: then you may even have to unload one of those
Speaker 2: backup quarterbacks that we're talking about as well for further
Speaker 2: draft picks. Let's entertain it, because okay, first round you
Speaker 2: do something like that, then, like I said before, Dak
Speaker 2: has the ironclad no trade and so that means Dak
Speaker 2: is basically saying, okay, I will pick who you can
Speaker 2: trade me too. Okay, he's not gonna do you any favors.
Speaker 2: He's not in the business. Okay, let's say he do.
Speaker 2: He does use a faith, all right. Who would be
Speaker 2: your dancing partner? I would say Minnesota, the eleven, the
Speaker 2: Rams at thirteen, fourteen something others. So you could go
Speaker 2: up and get one of those upper echelon style of quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: But there's no there's no Troy Agman in this draft.
Speaker 2: There's no guy that is immediately a program changer that
Speaker 2: I see. I'm not saying that Pennix Jr. Is in
Speaker 2: a good quarterback and it didn't have a great season,
Speaker 2: which he did. What we are in full rebuild mode.
Speaker 2: If we go in that direction, and if you do that,
Speaker 2: if you do make that trade, yes, what is that?
Speaker 2: What does that align you with? It aligns you with
Speaker 2: to be able to sign see immediately to a deal,
Speaker 2: to sign Michael Parsons immediately his to his deal because
Speaker 2: that frees up all your money. But you're still I
Speaker 2: think whatever the cap hit is, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that is, but there's still going to be a cap
Speaker 2: hit associated with it. But why why would you do that?
Speaker 2: Why would that be the route that you take and
Speaker 2: I've heard so much from Jerry, We'll only go as
Speaker 2: far as dacklet. I don't know if that's sarcasm or
Speaker 2: if that's really whatever it is, but I feel like
Speaker 2: when it comes to Mike McCarthy in these twelve and
Speaker 2: five seasons and knocking on the door, this isn't time
Speaker 2: to say, all right, let's unload this whole thing and
Speaker 2: bring a rookie in here and let's see how a
Speaker 2: rookie takes this on like that like that, that would
Speaker 2: to me, it wouldn't make any sense. But unless they
Speaker 2: have another plan brewing, something else going then again full rebuilt,
Speaker 2: full rebuild, reboot. If we go down, how do you
Speaker 2: look at your coach after that? Like, how do you
Speaker 2: look at the head coach and say, hey, I got
Speaker 2: your back?
Speaker 5: You know, they do decide to move on from you
Speaker 5: give him, You give him an extention, You give him
Speaker 5: an extension, an extension'll buy out at the end of
Speaker 5: the season.
Speaker 2: Just we know what we did, we know what we did.
Speaker 2: He money.
Speaker 4: Once again, just as we have talked this, we've talked
Speaker 4: through this, which is why I do not watch those shows,
Speaker 4: which is why I cannot take them serious.
Speaker 2: That sounds crazy. Taking money theory gives.
Speaker 4: You four quarterbacks and having a conversation with someone recent
Speaker 4: last year after the Trey Lance trade was made and
Speaker 4: asking the reasoning, and they said, we would probably go
Speaker 4: into twenty twenty four drafting a quarterback. That's what we
Speaker 4: would probably do. Well, now we don't have to do this.
Speaker 4: Here's a quarterback who we had a second round grade
Speaker 4: that they got him for a four.
Speaker 2: Fourth.
Speaker 4: The problem that the Cowboys are feeling now is people
Speaker 4: looking at, well, what what Mac Jones and Justin Fields
Speaker 4: are traded for? But I also say that's that's an
Speaker 4: unfair history because you would not have been able to
Speaker 4: get Justin Fields for a six at the start of
Speaker 4: last year, or even Mac Jones because those players had
Speaker 4: a higher value. Once they played, their value plumbing down plummeted,
Speaker 4: and so to me, Trey Lance for a four. Considering
Speaker 4: the history of the Cowboys, they would probably take a
Speaker 4: quarterback in the fourth round. Okay, it made sense. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying it's gonna work, but you have to have
Speaker 4: a rationale. Why would we do this. I understand the
Speaker 4: thinking of why they did.
Speaker 2: I just Trey Lance is the great unknown. I don't
Speaker 2: know anything about him. I didn't know anything about his career.
Speaker 2: When he was in San Francisco. It was so up
Speaker 2: and down. He was hurt, he was I don't I
Speaker 2: still don't know what you get from a guy who's
Speaker 2: taking what third in the first And so look, if
Speaker 2: there's any leverage, if there's any value that the Cowboys
Speaker 2: can use for draft Day, I say use it. Cooper
Speaker 2: Rush has been not only a serviceable back backup, he
Speaker 2: is proven as a backup you can puck and we
Speaker 2: just look, we're getting into this area with Dak where
Speaker 2: it's just like, get the deal done already, because you
Speaker 2: can't do anything unless you get this deal done. And
Speaker 2: if we're going to attack the rest of the season,
Speaker 2: play out your deal, the one hundred and twenty six
Speaker 2: million dollar contract, and then we'll see at the end
Speaker 2: of the year. I think again, you're playing chicken with
Speaker 2: these contracts like you have been doing all season long.
Speaker 2: You wait till the last minute, and oh you end
Speaker 2: up having to give the bag to a guy. And
Speaker 2: this is gearing up to be another one of those
Speaker 2: unless you get it done.
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Speaker 4: So it's gonna start on a Thursday for Round one,
Speaker 4: Round two, three, Friday, and seven will be on Saturdays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you.
Speaker 4: Know, you know, as we get closer and closer to
Speaker 4: the draft and more and more people come up with
Speaker 4: their thoughts, the Cowboys keep getting mocked an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3: Yep, do you believe it?
Speaker 2: I want to that they're going to get an old linement.
Speaker 5: I can see it, man, I can really see it.
Speaker 5: I can see it happening. I don't agree with it,
Speaker 5: but I can see it happening.
Speaker 2: I mean, we we've gone through this. I've I've said,
Speaker 2: offensive line in the first in the first round. I
Speaker 2: think you got you have to show up. You got
Speaker 2: to get that piece, be right this time on that piece,
Speaker 2: and be that guy. I think the last time we
Speaker 2: took an offensive lineman, what was it, Frederick in the
Speaker 2: first and none no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: tripping center. Was Frederick in the first? Okay, so maybe
Speaker 2: we do the kid from Morgan Jackson Powers, whoever.
Speaker 4: I love his game medicals or what they talk about
Speaker 4: on the Draft show here that that is possibly knocking
Speaker 4: the young man down in the draft, guy Jackson Powers.
Speaker 4: Johnson is rated as the number one center. But then
Speaker 4: they're changing a little bit and a lot of people
Speaker 4: are kind of putting Graham Barton ahead of him, yes,
Speaker 4: because they feel better about the medical situation, even though
Speaker 4: Graham Barton went to a couple of Nicks, but he's
Speaker 4: a kid from Duke. But at the same time, on
Speaker 4: the latest Draft show, they think that Graham Barton may
Speaker 4: not be there. There's some scene picking up from him.
Speaker 4: So and don't forget Philadelphia is ahead of you.
Speaker 3: In the draft. Absolutely, they've had Jason.
Speaker 4: Kelsey leave so so well, just just kind of looking
Speaker 4: at the center position here, and then of course is
Speaker 4: Jack Zach Fraser. It's also coming off a little bit
Speaker 4: of an injury. Center from West Virginia is someone who's
Speaker 4: also out there. And then you've got Cooper Bebie Center
Speaker 4: from Kansas State from your neck of the woods, who
Speaker 4: is a good football player in h two time offense
Speaker 4: Big twelve Offensive Lineman of the Year by the way,
Speaker 4: and the consensus all Americans. So these are some some
Speaker 4: players that could be there from the center position at no.
Speaker 2: And it wouldn't it would not hurt my feelings if
Speaker 2: it was flipped and we went d line in the
Speaker 2: first and then offensive line in the second. It wouldn't
Speaker 2: it really wouldn't hurt my feelings. But I think right
Speaker 2: now with the miss, with Tyron Smith leaving and Tyler
Speaker 2: Smith going out to left tackle, you have an opening
Speaker 2: their guard and center and you need you need something there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still standing on business about it.
Speaker 11: Infensive tackle because not standing on business because what are you.
Speaker 2: Trying to do.
Speaker 3: What is Cowboy fans frustrated about.
Speaker 4: It's the lack of playoff successes and we've seen it
Speaker 4: time and time again. Man, run on these board. Yeah,
Speaker 4: if you're an offensive and we're going to go, run
Speaker 4: on these run, that's the whole message. Run on and
Speaker 4: you can win. Everybody's gotten well over one hundred yards
Speaker 4: when they've beating the Cowboys in the playoffs. We'll go
Speaker 4: run this thing. Go shorten the clock. We're gonna make
Speaker 4: them play from behind and boom, let's go. That's been
Speaker 4: an achilles heel. Offensive linemen are an issue and you
Speaker 4: can address it. But man, you sit around here, wait
Speaker 4: too long on this defensive line. Man, good luck, and
Speaker 4: you bring Zimmer in here. Zimmer likes big people.
Speaker 2: He does.
Speaker 3: You don't have big people, do you? You don't you
Speaker 3: got some space eaters. There's no space heater.
Speaker 4: I am one of those who also believes that you
Speaker 4: need to build your team right now to how to
Speaker 4: beat San Francisco and win the division.
Speaker 3: At beating Philadelphia, they goun the ball.
Speaker 2: I am one that believes that we have to have
Speaker 2: a balanced attack on offense to be able to compete
Speaker 2: in those situations you're gonna come up against a team
Speaker 2: like we came up against Green Bay and they did
Speaker 2: run the ball on us. In turn, we couldn't run
Speaker 2: the ball. We couldn't when we got we couldn't control pace, tempo, time,
Speaker 2: none of those things. What they knew we were going
Speaker 2: to where we were going with Ceedee Lamb. They shut
Speaker 2: all of that down with Jay R, Alexander and their
Speaker 2: guys back there. Okay, so we have to find a
Speaker 2: way as well. We have to counter that, and I
Speaker 2: think building our team to beat one team doesn't help
Speaker 2: us through the season. All right, We've got to be
Speaker 2: balanced and good enough up front to be able to
Speaker 2: run the ball. But yes, I am not saying that
Speaker 2: I don't agree with you. If anything, we have got
Speaker 2: to stop the bleeding on the defensive line. We got
Speaker 2: to and we got to get to it. And it's
Speaker 2: a pride thing. Yeah. I mean, come on, you playing
Speaker 2: on a number one defense, you know what it is
Speaker 2: to mindset when it comes to those front seven. Have
Speaker 2: you got some goons in there? I mean, it makes
Speaker 2: it so much easier.
Speaker 5: You got guys in there that with the mindset you're
Speaker 5: not going to run the ball, and when you pass
Speaker 5: the ball, we're coming after you. I mean, and you
Speaker 5: got the pieces to the attack of quarterback. You got
Speaker 5: one of the best pass rushers in the league. You
Speaker 5: got a DeMarcus Lawrence on there. It's just that interior,
Speaker 5: that interior on the first level and the second level.
Speaker 4: It's got to be tuned up a little bit. In
Speaker 4: the words of Des Bright, fix this. That's our show
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