WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: The Boxer's Omen

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Rod Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And

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<v Speaker 1>today on Weird House Cinema, we are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the nineteen eighty three Hong Kong action horror

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<v Speaker 1>film The Boxers omen directed by Kwai Chi Hung. This

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<v Speaker 1>movie is a lot of things. First of all, it

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<v Speaker 1>is just a lot through one lens. It is an

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<v Speaker 1>action packed martial arts revenge film. Through another. It is

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<v Speaker 1>magical insanity, just an overwhelming storm of rituals and magical

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<v Speaker 1>items being combined, magical recipes, necromancy. You've got creaky bat skeletons,

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<v Speaker 1>needlenosed tarantulas, red devils, skin balloons, crocodile skulls, rotten guts,

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<v Speaker 1>bikini mummies, just all kinds of stuff. Basically more unhinged sorcery, slop, gore,

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<v Speaker 1>and wizard battles than you could imagine being crammed into

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<v Speaker 1>a single film.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, it's pretty wall to wall, and the connective

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<v Speaker 2>tissue in there is when when the film isn't being

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<v Speaker 2>just absolutely crazy, there's some very well crafted connective tissue

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<v Speaker 2>that I think also adds to the weird feeling you

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<v Speaker 2>get watching this picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I was going to say, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>this is what you're alluding to through yet another lens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a kind of interesting exploration of like Buddhist monastic

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<v Speaker 1>piety and the quest for immortality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I don't think now. To be clear, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to learn much about Buddhism watching this picture.

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<v Speaker 2>But as we'll point out, there's some very nice locations here.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some nice almost docu mintary style scenes of like

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<v Speaker 2>street processions and normal people going about their everyday business

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<v Speaker 2>in Nepal and in Thailand and also in Hong Kong,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know, I can I can kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>provide this real world setting that really works to make

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<v Speaker 2>all the crazy stuff feel like a real injection of

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<v Speaker 2>another world into ours.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. Though, I also want to acknowledge what

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<v Speaker 1>this movie is mainly known for, which is just wet madness.

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<v Speaker 1>It has a reputation among the midnight movie crowd for

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<v Speaker 1>being an exercise in extremes. It's kind of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you like Hong Kong horror movies, I have got one

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<v Speaker 1>you're not ready for. And maybe you're not ready. I

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<v Speaker 1>would not recommend, as I told I watched this one first,

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<v Speaker 1>and as I told Robin JJ, I would not recommend

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<v Speaker 1>watching this while you're eating, though I think maybe you did. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I ate during part of it, and JJ ended up

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<v Speaker 2>eating doing part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that could be a bad move, depending on how

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<v Speaker 1>strong your stomach is. But I would recommend watching it

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<v Speaker 1>to some extent if you have a tolerance for this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing, at least, because it is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most amazingly stupendously bizarre and remarkable films I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely it is pure magic. And it's fitting because we

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<v Speaker 2>say that because the film's original title is Mo, which

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<v Speaker 2>just means magic or devil and can certainly mean dark

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<v Speaker 2>magic depending on the context. We get to see both

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<v Speaker 2>light and dark magic here. Mo is also part of

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<v Speaker 2>the word magwai, just to give it a little more

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<v Speaker 2>clarity there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I see, did you have a notice like the

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<v Speaker 1>character the Chinese character Mo is the thing that appears

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of the film.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, and I think it's really interesting here, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Mandarin readers can break down what's happening here a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. But we Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna put

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<v Speaker 2>up the kanji for mo, but they kind of roll

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<v Speaker 2>it out in three phases, and so initially the character

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<v Speaker 2>that is added is the character that means ghost, and

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<v Speaker 2>then and then the rest of the character is added

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<v Speaker 2>that spells out the pure I mean, the full title magic.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if if if a if a

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<v Speaker 2>Mandarin reader, a native Mandarin reader would interpret that as

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<v Speaker 2>like ghost magic, Like does that affect the the title

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<v Speaker 2>of the movie as you read it or or what,

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<v Speaker 2>because we don't. I guess we sometimes have things like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and like like English language titles for pictures where it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like it's gonna spell one thing and then it

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<v Speaker 2>spells another. But I don't think i'd seen this done

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<v Speaker 2>before in like a Chinese or.

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<v Speaker 3>A Japanese film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that that is interesting. But it's also interesting just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about the title being in one sense magic or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sorcery, enchantment, whatever this refers to, uh, because

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<v Speaker 1>that is like actually the main theme of the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And so in English, we've got this title the Boxer's Omen,

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<v Speaker 1>which paired with the opening scene makes it seem like

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<v Speaker 1>this movie is going to be about kickboxing, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a real bait and switch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it does seem very concerned with kickboxing for a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit there, but then really goes goes off the off,

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<v Speaker 2>the off the cliff here into realms of magic and

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<v Speaker 2>demons and sorcery and all sorts of gross and mind

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<v Speaker 2>bending things that are pretty far removed from kicks to

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<v Speaker 2>the head.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only that, does it not only moves mainly away

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<v Speaker 1>from the kickboxing plot, it literally like forgets to conclude

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<v Speaker 1>the kickboxing plot. Yeah, there's a kickboxing thread running through.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a revenge thing, and it never it never finishes.

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<v Speaker 1>We never get the final showdown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were we were joking about this off Mike

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<v Speaker 2>that perhaps Shaw Brothers came to the director Kuwaiti Hung

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<v Speaker 2>and said, hey, we want you to make a kickboxing movie,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, this is about as much about kickboxing as

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<v Speaker 1>like The Shining is about hotel maintenance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, what if they had called The Shining like

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<v Speaker 2>the Hotel Manager.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like the way in which this movie is

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<v Speaker 1>about magic. You know, It's like there's a healthy balance

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<v Speaker 1>of treating magic as on one hand, of course just

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<v Speaker 1>an object of absolutely insane spectacle and exploitation, but then

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<v Speaker 1>also as an object of what feels like genuine respect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the magic systems in this film are fascinating. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>this movie takes its magic seriously. We've all seen movies

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<v Speaker 2>where evil wizards like dabble and necromancy, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about this too. We were a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>I think played dungeons and dragons and you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>spell components in there, and your spell, your character is

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to their arms and say certain things. But we

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<v Speaker 2>often just skip over all that and say you cast

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<v Speaker 2>a fireball. And that's the way movies sometimes do as well.

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<v Speaker 2>This movie does not. There's almost a really like a hypnotic,

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<v Speaker 2>ritualistic way that especially the dark magic spells are presented,

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<v Speaker 2>and in general, like the light and dark of these

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<v Speaker 2>different magical schools is just oh man, it's just so

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<v Speaker 2>well executed.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost more focused on the rituals that evoke the

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<v Speaker 1>magic than on the magic effects themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And and the way that the spells are

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<v Speaker 2>generated to tell you a lot about it about the practitioners.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Buddhist magic is the pure expression of noble virtue,

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<v Speaker 2>while the black magic is the exact opposite. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>pure degeneration, madness, and self destruction. So in the same

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<v Speaker 2>way that the Abbot is on the verge of achieving

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<v Speaker 2>enlightenment and immortality through righteousness and equanimity, the wizards in

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<v Speaker 2>the picture seem to be doing everything they can to

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of like bottom out, as if they're not

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<v Speaker 2>only you know, plunging into the hells, but doing everything

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<v Speaker 2>they can to accelerate their descent so they can like

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<v Speaker 2>blast through the floor and come out the other side

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<v Speaker 2>in a kind of perverse counter enlightenment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, in more than one way. I noticed this.

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<v Speaker 1>The bad wizards in this movie practice magic and do

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<v Speaker 1>their rituals not with the kind of scary solemnity we're

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<v Speaker 1>used to seeing Satanists do their stuff in the movies

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like oh, you know, no, no, in furnace

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<v Speaker 1>and being very serious while they're lowering the dagger like

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<v Speaker 1>in what was it Which Empire of the Dark. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like that at all. It is a They basically

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<v Speaker 1>have two modes of ritual. They have depraved, chaotic frenzy

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<v Speaker 1>and then they also have impatient annoyance. That I made

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<v Speaker 1>the comparison I was going to talk about this later,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's one part where we see the first main

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<v Speaker 1>evil wizard doing a bunch of rituals when he's like

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get a bat to revive after it has

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<v Speaker 1>been destroyed, and he's talking at the ritual like somebody

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<v Speaker 1>talks at their car when they can't get it to start.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just this familiar impatient annoyance, not somber

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<v Speaker 1>satanism with chanting, and.

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<v Speaker 2>At times there's also a detached defilement to what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like they're doing like really gross and

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<v Speaker 2>debased things, but it is it is also just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like what they do, and you know, it takes

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<v Speaker 2>hours to pull this off, but it's in these are

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<v Speaker 2>necessary steps in order to achieve their sorceress goals.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's more in the chaotic frenzy era, because they're

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<v Speaker 1>just frantically kind of I don't know, picking up guts

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<v Speaker 1>and chewing them and cutting things off of animals and

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<v Speaker 1>chewing them and spitting them out and cutting things open,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seems half the time like they're barely paying

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<v Speaker 1>attention to what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Now, the magic systems that are depicted in the film,

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<v Speaker 2>they seem to have many connections to magical traditions and

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<v Speaker 2>Thailand and East Asia, real or attributed. And to be clear,

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of black magic, as we've discussed before,

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<v Speaker 2>we're certainly not always talking about practices that were ever

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily practiced, even by a thin minority of people. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you end up with these tales about these

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<v Speaker 2>the sorts of things. These are the sorts of spells

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<v Speaker 2>that the dark wizards and witches engage in.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, a lot of times, what we might mean by

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<v Speaker 1>calling something authentic culturally authentic evil sorcery does not mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's what people, what like sorcerers of that culture actually did.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what people of that culture actually thought sorcerers.

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<v Speaker 2>Did, Right, And then you have levels of like what

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<v Speaker 2>did outsiders and foreigners think about the things that they

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<v Speaker 2>heard about about magical practices, real or imagined? And then

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<v Speaker 2>in this exercise, how is all that amplified through the

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<v Speaker 2>lens of exploitation cinema, because this is exploitation cinema, to

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<v Speaker 2>be clear.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. I feel like with this one, maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>should start with the plots at the top, because in

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<v Speaker 1>the plot section we're probably just going to talk a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about these wizard battle scenes and the rituals, so

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<v Speaker 1>the plot is basically takes this form. A Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 1>criminal named Chan Hung is drawn into a quest for

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<v Speaker 1>revenge against a cruel Thai kickboxer who paralyzed Chan Hung's

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<v Speaker 1>brother with an illegal strike during a match, actually after

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<v Speaker 1>a match was over, and then at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>he is drawn by dreams and visions to a Buddhist

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<v Speaker 1>monastery in Thailand, where he discovers that he has a

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual connection to the recently deceased abbot of that temple.

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<v Speaker 1>The abbot was a powerful and holy Buddhist monk who

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<v Speaker 1>died in the middle of a feud with a clan

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<v Speaker 1>of evil sorcerers. Chan Hung discovers that in order to

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<v Speaker 1>both avenge his worldly brother and protect the immortality of

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<v Speaker 1>his spirit brother through the abbot, and then finally also

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<v Speaker 1>to protect himself because we learn that his fate is

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<v Speaker 1>linked to the fate of the abbot, he must renounce

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<v Speaker 1>his hedonistic life of crime, shave his head, and become

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<v Speaker 1>a monk, and this practice of piety and self discipline

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<v Speaker 1>and self denial will allow him to gain supernatural strength

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<v Speaker 1>to fight his enemies both physical and magical, and then

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<v Speaker 1>from this ensues a massive series of wizard battles and

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<v Speaker 1>escalations of wicked enchantment. Along the way, chan hung faces doubt, weakness, temptation,

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<v Speaker 1>and setbacks, though actually those are kind of limited in scale,

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<v Speaker 1>like we get those concentrated in very specific moments in

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<v Speaker 1>the film. But it ends with a sorcerer showdown in

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<v Speaker 1>a Buddhist temple in Nepal, so stupendous that I think

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<v Speaker 1>many viewers will probably not even notice that the movie forgets,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said earlier, to tie up the kickboxing revenge plot.

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<v Speaker 1>As you speculated, Rob, I mean, you almost wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>the Shaw brothers, you know, we're like, we need a

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<v Speaker 1>kickboxing film, and that was just the price of admission

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<v Speaker 1>to get this film financed. But once the wizard re begins,

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<v Speaker 1>like why settle for anything less? Do we really want

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<v Speaker 1>to end this film with a kickboxing conflict? Is the

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<v Speaker 1>final confrontation when we could have a demoness giving birth

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<v Speaker 1>to plastic bags full of eyeballs that turn into putty

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<v Speaker 1>mummies that cut themselves open and cut their own fingers

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<v Speaker 1>off to bleed on each other and turn into eyeball

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<v Speaker 1>dinosaurs exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think anybody's left wondering exactly how the

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<v Speaker 2>kickboxing resolved itself. All right, Well, like we said, this

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<v Speaker 2>one is a film that certainly has a reputation. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been a very popular midnight movie for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 2>So he almost can't provide an elevator pitch for it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the Boxer's Omen and it casts a long shadow.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would say, you know, one man is about

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<v Speaker 2>to be sucked into a world of black magic, convengeance,

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<v Speaker 2>and then that's really all you need to know. The

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<v Speaker 2>rest is more of a it's more about sensation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's listen to just a little bit of the trailer audio.

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<v Speaker 2>Though this is one we're just gonna dip in and

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<v Speaker 2>out of it because the trailer is mostly sound effects.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe you'll get just a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>sonic vibe here. All right. Well, if you would like

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<v Speaker 2>to go and watch The Boxers Omen before proceeding with

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of this episode, it is available. I watched

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<v Speaker 2>it on the Image Entertainment DVD, which I believe came

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<v Speaker 2>out in two thousand and seven, and I rented that

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<v Speaker 2>from Video Drome here in Atlanta. It was also released

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<v Speaker 2>on Blu Ray in the shaw Scope Volume two box set,

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<v Speaker 2>which actually seems like it might be the best presentation

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<v Speaker 2>of the film with extras, but you have to buy

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<v Speaker 2>the entire ten disc set to get your hands on it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's even a commentary track by the late critic Travis

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<v Speaker 2>Crawford on there.

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<v Speaker 3>Though.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe JJ was telling us that you can also

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<v Speaker 2>stream this from Arrow via Arrow's online streaming presence.

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<v Speaker 1>And to be clear, the box set you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>there is the Volume two Shaw Brothers collection from Errow Video.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there are also some Shout Factory Shaw Brothers box

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<v Speaker 1>sets and I was looking at their Volume two. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, make sure you get the right one. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you make a mistake, you can end up

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<v Speaker 2>with a whole bunch of Shaw Brothers pictures which, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably a good time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty good time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But yes, I believe it's Volume two that has

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<v Speaker 2>the boxer zoning on it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, let's talk a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 2>people behind this picture and in this picture. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's start at the top with Kuochi Hung, the director,

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<v Speaker 2>also the story credit and he did the special effects.

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<v Speaker 2>He lived nineteen thirty seven through nineteen ninety nine. Hong

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<v Speaker 2>Kong movie director active from sixty one through nineteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 2>So Boxers omen is his penultimate film and his final

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<v Speaker 2>horror movie. He directed just one more film with the

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<v Speaker 2>same screenwriter as this picture, an action comedy titled Misfire,

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<v Speaker 2>before he apparently immigrated or reimmigrated to the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>I was more on that in just a minute here.

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<v Speaker 2>But he apparently ran a pizza restaurant in California for

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<v Speaker 2>the remainder of his life. I have so many questions

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<v Speaker 2>about this pizza restaurant. Yeah, I wasn't able to find

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<v Speaker 2>out much about it. I was even looking up interviews

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<v Speaker 2>with his son, Ming Beaverque, who is an American film producer.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, he was an associate producer on the Meg movies,

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<v Speaker 2>the recent Giant Shark movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, the Owens was Jason Steithem the.

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<v Speaker 2>Very ones, But he didn't really get into it much.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mentioned reimmigrated because apparently Ming's grandfather attended Cornell

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<v Speaker 2>and he says graduated in nineteen twenty two, worked in

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit in the nineteen thirties, and then went back to China.

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<v Speaker 2>During the Second World War, So I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 2>found that interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So from what I understand, Quo Chi Hung was not

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<v Speaker 1>originally best known for making like horror or supernatural films, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this was some of his later work, but

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<v Speaker 1>early on he made a lot of like crime dramas and.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he did a lot of different stuff, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>probably best known internationally for this late career period when

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<v Speaker 2>he did a lot of black magic films, mostly in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighties, playing off a tradition that was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of popularized in the nineteen seventies by the likes of

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<v Speaker 2>Oily Maniac director Hominghua, who we discussed. We've discussed this

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<v Speaker 2>film previously on Weird House Cinema. This is a film

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<v Speaker 2>from nineteen seventy six, but Kuo Chi Hunk takes things

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<v Speaker 2>to just New Dizzeying Heights obviously, so in addition to

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<v Speaker 2>the Boxer Zoemen, these black magic films include nineteen eighties Hex,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties Hex Versus Witchcraft, eighty one's Corps Mania, eighty

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<v Speaker 2>one's Bewitched, to which this film I've seen sometimes described

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<v Speaker 2>as kind of a sequel, eighty two's Curse of Evil

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<v Speaker 2>and eighty two's Hex after Hex. Obviously, these are all

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<v Speaker 2>you know, English titles, and one can generally assume that

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<v Speaker 2>the actual Chinese titles were maybe a little less silly sounding.

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<v Speaker 2>He also directed some horror films in the nineteen seventies

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<v Speaker 2>seventy three's The Bamboo House of Dolls, seventy four's Ghost Eyes,

0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:03.200
<v Speaker 2>seventy four's The Killers, seventy five's Fearful Interlude, and seventy

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<v Speaker 2>six is Spirit of the Rape. But he also directed

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<v Speaker 2>several action films, including nineteen eighties Killer Constable, generally considered

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<v Speaker 2>his only Wushav film, and he also directed the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy four serious crime drama The Tea House and nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six is The Bod Squad, which is a Kung

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<v Speaker 2>fu sex comedy. Nice so a popular and obviously daring

0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.719
<v Speaker 2>visual Shaw Brothers director here, But it's easy to focus

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<v Speaker 2>on the crazy visuals in a film like this. But

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<v Speaker 2>he also valued great locations, which is something we see

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<v Speaker 2>in The Boxer z Omen as well as our lead

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<v Speaker 2>character travels to Thailand and Nepal, and often he would

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<v Speaker 2>have subtle nods to the actual lives of common people,

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<v Speaker 2>which we see here as well, again almost giving it

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of documentary vibe in its real world moments,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm to understand. In his other films he also

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<v Speaker 2>tackled two varying degrees the subject of corruption, police, corruption,

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<v Speaker 2>and so forth. And yeah, but before he died, he

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<v Speaker 2>apparently immigrated to the United States and ran a pizza parlor.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, I wish I could find out more about

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<v Speaker 2>that pizza parlor, but it remains a mystery, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Moving on to the screenplay. The screenplay is credited to

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<v Speaker 2>Own Setso, who lived nineteen twenty seven through twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>His other writings include Killer Constable, Corps Mania, Bewitched, eighty

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<v Speaker 2>two's Buddha's Palm, and also Curse of Evil. Obviously these

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<v Speaker 2>two worked together quite a lot, but Setso was in

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<v Speaker 2>general just a very prolific writer. On the Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 2>movie database, he has something like two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>nine writing credits. Wow, that's a lot, all right. Getting

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<v Speaker 2>into the cast here again, our main protagonist is Chang

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<v Speaker 2>Hung played by Philip Coe. Philip Co lived nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 2>nine through twenty seventeen. Hong Kong actor, stuntman and director,

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<v Speaker 2>Active from nineteen six seventy through two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 2>He has an uncredited guard role in nineteen seventy three's

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<v Speaker 2>Enter the Dragon, which this is not surprising. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's often the case when you look at Shaw Brothers pictures,

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody has some connection to Enter the Dragon. Even

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<v Speaker 2>though Enter the Dragon was not a Shaw Brother's motion picture.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that was a Golden Harvest picture, but anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Philip co His other acting credits include eighty four's The

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<v Speaker 2>Eight Diagram Poll Fighter, eighty seven's Eastern Condors, and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>eight Dragons Forever. He was also in eighty three Seating

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<v Speaker 2>of a Ghost, eighty six is Magic Crystal, and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>five's Ninja Terminator starring Richard Harris and we just talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>Played the lead cultist in Empire of the Dark. Philip

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<v Speaker 2>Co worked with such Hong Kong greats as Bruce Lee,

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<v Speaker 2>Jackie Chan, Samo Hung. His directing credits include nineteen eighties

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<v Speaker 2>Killer Romance and ninety two's Hard to Kill, starring a

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<v Speaker 2>young Robin Sho of Mortal Kombat fame.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>He often played villains and was married at one point

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<v Speaker 2>to Japanese actress Yukari Oshima, who appeared in a number

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<v Speaker 2>of Hong Kong and Filipino pictures, including nineteen ninety one's

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<v Speaker 2>Ricky Oh, The Story of Ricky, in which she plays

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<v Speaker 2>one of the Gang of four.

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<v Speaker 1>May come back to that movie someday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the connection from one notoriously bloody picture to another. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so Chanhung is helping out the abbot. I think we've

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<v Speaker 2>established that the abbot in question here, the one that

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<v Speaker 2>he is connected to, that they are like reincarnations another

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<v Speaker 2>twins in her previous life. Yeah, we'll find out. This

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<v Speaker 2>abbot is played by Elvis su Kam Kong born nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty one, Hong Kong actor whose other films include eighty

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<v Speaker 2>three's Shaolin and Wu Tang. This is indeed the picture

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<v Speaker 2>that's one of Rizza's favorite films. Nineteen eighty six is

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<v Speaker 2>The Seventh Curse, eighty nine's The Iceman Cometh. I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>that one. I believe that one has a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>sword play in it. Nineteen ninety six is Viva Erotica,

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty thirteen's The Grand Master. Now we have multiple

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<v Speaker 2>dark wizards in this picture, and I had a hard

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<v Speaker 2>time nailing down exactly which character was which, and who

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<v Speaker 2>played each character. I was working off of the Internet

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<v Speaker 2>movie database as well as the Hong Kong movie database,

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<v Speaker 2>but for this movie in particular, we don't necessarily have

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<v Speaker 2>the names of the characters or even a character description

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<v Speaker 2>entailed as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think most of the characters we never learned their name.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie I never says.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not that sort of movie where you get

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<v Speaker 2>to know each and every dark wizard. I was really

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<v Speaker 2>intrigued as well by a character that pops up pretty

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<v Speaker 2>late in the picture, a sorceress or demoness that is

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<v Speaker 2>summoned or resurrected. And I believe I really had to

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<v Speaker 2>hunt around for this one, but I believe she's played

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<v Speaker 2>by someone named Shao Yen Lynn. But this is a

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<v Speaker 2>case where we don't have no idea like what her

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<v Speaker 2>when she was born, no biographical data about her, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think this was her only credit but still very

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<v Speaker 2>memorable sexy demonis role, as we'll describe later on in

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<v Speaker 2>our plot summary.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this. This is the character who the parental guide

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<v Speaker 1>on IMDb warns us that she is underdressed for entering

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<v Speaker 1>a temple.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, among all the other blasphemous and awful things

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<v Speaker 2>she's involved in.

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<v Speaker 3>She is underdressed. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we are going to get to someone who is

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<v Speaker 2>instantly recognizable though, and I think easily the most internationally

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<v Speaker 2>recognizable actor in this whole picture. It is Bolo Jung

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<v Speaker 2>playing Boobo the tie boxer, getting to the boxing subplot

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<v Speaker 2>that is pushed to the forefront by the English title

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<v Speaker 2>for this picture. Born in nineteen forty six. You've all

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<v Speaker 2>seen this guy before. I think he is also known

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<v Speaker 2>as Chinese Hercules.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a mountain. This guy. This guy is a

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<v Speaker 1>muscle man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he is a beast.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like he's kicking like he's fast, super muscular,

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<v Speaker 2>kicking with these legs look like tree trunks. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's just intimidating and also has this just natural heel

0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:18.880
<v Speaker 2>charisma just oozing off of him. You can see why

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<v Speaker 2>this guy was so successful.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, in the kickboxing scene where the movie opens,

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<v Speaker 1>I am, by no means a kickboxing expert. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know anything about it, but even my amateur eyes

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<v Speaker 1>were looking at this and I'm like, wait, these two

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<v Speaker 1>guys are in the same weight class. Doesn't look like

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<v Speaker 1>they would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Bola is just intimidating, and if you have ever

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<v Speaker 2>seen nineteen seventy three's Enter the Dragon, Bolo is the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who fights John Saxon's character, and you may have

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 2>had similar thoughts in that matchup. You know, like John Saxon,

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<v Speaker 2>you know you're super cool, but there's no way you

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<v Speaker 2>would have any realistic chance against this month's of a man.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that would make more sense of wasn't it originally

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 1>in the script that John Sackson's character dies, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they had to change it because he didn't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember, Yeah, may be misremembering, but it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a long time since I've seen it, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know much about it, you know, behind the scenes stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, Bolo was definitely in Entered the Dragon. His

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<v Speaker 2>Hong Kong film credits go back to nineteen seventy and

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<v Speaker 2>include the nineteen seventy three film Chinese Hercules, in which

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<v Speaker 2>he is not the star, but it was clearly promoted

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<v Speaker 2>at least internationally with this title. To capitalize on his

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<v Speaker 2>screen presence, I included a poster here for you, Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>You may have if you're out there listening, you should

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 2>look this up as well. It says Chinese Hercules, the

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<v Speaker 2>first and only muscle mad monster of the martial Arts,

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<v Speaker 2>the superhuman Beast of the East. And then he's there's

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 2>an illustration of him, like, let's see, he's got like

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<v Speaker 2>two guys in headlocks. And then there's a lady biting

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<v Speaker 2>his leg as he with his elbows like busts down

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<v Speaker 2>the pillars of some sort of a temple.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, like Samson, it's pushing the pillars out. Is

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<v Speaker 1>the lady biting his leg because she likes him or

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<v Speaker 1>because she doesn't like him?

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot determine, And I'm not sure that actually watching

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.879
<v Speaker 2>the film would answer the question. But yeah, yeah, this

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 2>guy's the real deal. He was a student of Bruce Lees,

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and you know, obviously appeared alongside him and Enter the

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Dragon was in a ton of these Hong Kong action films.

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<v Speaker 2>But then in nineteen eighty eight he scored the main

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 2>antagonist role in a little movie called blood Sport. This

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 2>is where I think most people are familiar with him

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 2>from this, of course, starred Jean Claude Van Dam, Donald Gibb,

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 2>and Forrest Whitaker. And yeah, Bolo is the intimidating kickboxer

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<v Speaker 2>that I believe, if I remember correctly, like brutally murders

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:55.119
<v Speaker 2>or injures Donald Gibbs's character, and then Jean Claude Vandam

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:56.720
<v Speaker 2>has to seek revenge against him.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking at this made me think about the possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>some at some point in time people have rented and

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.640
<v Speaker 1>popped in Boxer z Omen because they were a fan

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 1>of Jean Claude Van Dam movies, and they're like, oh,

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>another kickboxing movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, there's like maybe five minutes of it in

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 2>the picture, and it's impressive. There's some cool kickboxing as

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 2>well as discuss But at any rate, he'd work getting

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<v Speaker 2>back to Bolo here. He'd work with Van Dam again

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety one's Double Impact, and then apparently slowly

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 2>retired from acting after a bit there, with his last

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:35.400
<v Speaker 2>film credit as of this recording in twenty fifteen. Of note,

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 2>he also directed and starred in a film titled Bolo,

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 2>playing the character Bolo. This is nineteen seventy nine. I

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's autobiographical. I think it all just happens

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 2>to come together that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I believe Bolow is not his birth name, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's like a nickname. Am I wrong about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I believe so.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of these Hong Kong actors, as you may

0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 2>have noticed listeners, you know, they have like an American

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Eyes Show name on top of their actual Chinese name.

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Both those Other major films include seventy two's Five Fingers

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 2>of Death and the nineteen ninety three action film titled

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 2>TC two thousand, which also features Billy Blanks and Matthias

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Hughes from I Come In Peace. So there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of muscle in that picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, that's the tay Bo guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's see one more actor to mention here,

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>because she is specifically specifically called out in the movie databases.

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 2>We have y co Man playing Chan Hung's girl. That's

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 2>his girlfriend. She doesn't really have a name as far

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>as we can tell beyond that, uh like the Wizards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and she is his often naked lady friend

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>back in Hong Kong. Her other credits include eighty three's

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Seating of a Ghost, eighty five's Devil Cat, eighty five's

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Ghost Festival, and ninety three's Sexy Flower. All right, getting

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.959
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes a little bit, there's some interesting names here.

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Horace Ma is credited with either art director or scenery

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 2>depending on which database you're looking at, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>active from eighty three through I believe twenty twenty two,

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>and I think this was his first film. He'd go

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<v Speaker 2>on to win numerous awards for twenty nineteen Shadow and

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 2>also worked on Rizza's twenty twelve passion project The Man

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 2>with the Iron Fists. Now we have two credited composers here.

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 2>There's Chin Jung Shing and then there's also Chin House Sue.

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Let's see. Shing was active from eighty one through ninety four,

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 2>and his credits include The Seventh Curse, Eight Diagram, Poll Fighter,

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and Dragons Forever. His work was also used in Kill Bill.

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Kill Bill of course samples some various scores from different

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Hong Kong action films, and as for Sue, he also

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 2>worked on some of the same films, but also worked

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 2>on Human Lanterns, Seating of Ghost, and Bewitched. In general,

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 2>I'd say the music here is really fun. There are

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of like cool yeah, electronic effects, some of

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 2>which were lifted. There's one particular sound that a number

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 2>of you will remember from nineteen eighties Flash Gordon that's

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 2>sort of like wow sound that is lifted and used

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>in this picture. And I've also read that there are

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>some sound effects from Alien that are utilized here as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I did not catch that, but I can

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 1>believe it. But yeah, there's a lot of fun It's

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 1>a playful musical score, Like there's some wailing guitars at

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>some funny parts. All right, you ready to talk about

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>the plot.

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Let's get into the plot.

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<v Speaker 1>So we already laid out a brief sketch of the

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>plot earlier, but at the beginning of the story, our

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>protagonist Chin Hung is a mid level Hong Kong gangster,

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<v Speaker 1>and when the story begins, he seemingly has everything a

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 1>guy like him could want. He's got money, power, a

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>beautiful girlfriend, a nice house, luxuries, and it seems like

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>respect in the criminal underworld. He's a respected criminal.

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>M Yeah, has some cool sunglasses.

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<v Speaker 1>Chen Hung also has a brother. Now about the name

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>of the brother, I was like some online synopsies, like

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the Wikipedia page for this movie calls his brother Chen Wing.

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<v Speaker 1>Though when I was just rewatching it, I noticed I

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<v Speaker 1>think the only time somebody said his full name in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, it was a boxing announcer who called him

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<v Speaker 1>chen Why so I'm not sure which is more right there.

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<v Speaker 1>But his brother is also quite successful in his own domain,

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 1>which is kickboxing. And they never talk about this from

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>what I recall, but it is implied later in the

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 1>film that Chen Hung himself has previously had a career

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 1>as a kickboxer.

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he seems competent getting into the ring

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 2>to kickbox himself later in the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the film opens on a kickboxing match in

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<v Speaker 1>Hong Kong with two fighters for the heavyweight championship, and

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<v Speaker 1>the fighters are Chan Hung's brother Chen Wing or Chen Wy,

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<v Speaker 1>and on the other side of the ring a tie

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>boxer named Bubo. That's the guy played by Bolo Young.

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again just an obvious physical mismatch here. You

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 2>can tell a murder is about to take place in

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>the ring.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So they're fighting, and I might be a little

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>bit confused about the rules of kickboxing because in this fight,

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the tie boxer kicks Chan Wing in the back of

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 1>the head between rounds while his back is turned. I

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>was like, wait, how is that not instant disqualification? I

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>think the ref says something like if you keep that up,

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to disqualify you. It seems like one time

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>would be instant, wouldn't it.

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess, as with Buddhism, we should be reluctant

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 2>to learn too much about kickboxing from this movie.

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seemed more like pro wrestling rules than something

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 1>with line a fair competition. But yeah, anyway, through this

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 1>and through so because he's like, you know, kicking him

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 1>in the back of the head while his back's turned,

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:13.399
<v Speaker 1>and because he's just smugly grinning a lot, we get

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the idea that Boobo the tie boxer is a bad

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:20.439
<v Speaker 1>sportsman and a bad dude. He's vicious, he doesn't fight fair,

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 1>and he has no sense of honor or shame. Now,

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 1>there is no magic in this scene, which is an

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>interesting choice that the movie does not begin with like

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 1>a supernatural prologue or any indication of how weird it's

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>going to get. From the opening scene, you could easily

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>assume that this is just going to be a hard hitting,

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:43.399
<v Speaker 1>terrestrial kickboxer movie. And you know, I think it works

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:45.399
<v Speaker 1>pretty well in that vein Like this is a good

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 1>fight scene with strong choreography and most importantly, I think

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:54.760
<v Speaker 1>good sound effects. It has that great frequency spanning slap

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>with every punch and kick that connects. This is characteristic.

0:34:58.520 --> 0:34:59.959
<v Speaker 1>I think of a lot of the best Hong Kong

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.760
<v Speaker 1>action movies as they have really great fight sound effects,

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 1>and that core connection sound is like a combination of

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a bass drum kick, a rim shot, and then a

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 1>strip of wet briskets slapping on parchment paper all at

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 1>once happening. Love those percussive fight scenes.

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have really solid sound effects throughout this picture,

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.800
<v Speaker 2>whether it's kicks and slaps or dripping in trails and

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 2>demon slime.

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, the fight is quite brutal. At different times, both

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Bubo and Chen Wing landed just disgusting hits. At one point,

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Boubo has a bunch of floppy pink gore tinsel hanging

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>off the side of his head. He gets kicked in

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the head and it's just like wuh, It's like his

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 1>wires are coming out. It looks like so Chanhung's brother

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 1>wins the fight, but after he has declared the winner,

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the tie boxer becomes furious. He runs up, He sucker

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 1>punches him in the back of the head again, and

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>then when he falls down, he stomps on his body

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 1>until his neck is broken.

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Brittle brittle.

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Once again you'd think like, okay, that's not just disqualified,

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.960
<v Speaker 1>like you'd be arrested, but instead it just kind of

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>like now you're not supposed to do that. Later after

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>the fight, we see Chan Hung in his element. He

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:21.400
<v Speaker 1>swaggers into this cool Hong Kong club that's flooded with

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 1>red light. He's wearing a sleek gray suit with a

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 1>pocket square and a black shirt open about four buttons

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 1>down from the neck. Also sunglasses at night indoors, so

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.399
<v Speaker 1>that he is a cool cat. And so he comes

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:38.240
<v Speaker 1>into the crimed in and he's addressed as brother Hung.

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Chan Hung is called in for a meeting with the boss,

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Uncle Chi, and the boss tells him that he has

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>to go to a one am meeting with the representatives

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:50.840
<v Speaker 1>of a gang from the mainland. Hung agrees, and he

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 1>makes plans to have back up with weapons waiting outside

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the meeting place in case anything goes wrong. Well something

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.320
<v Speaker 1>does go wrong. In fact, it is a track the meeting.

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.359
<v Speaker 1>It takes place at some kind of construction site, and

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 1>as soon as Chan Hun comes in and sees the

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:11.480
<v Speaker 1>leader of the Mainlanders, he's obviously like this is not

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a happy meeting. He takes off his sunglasses.

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:17.479
<v Speaker 1>There's a guitar whale on the soundtrack, and Hung says,

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>you're very cocky. You just arrived and already you're fighting

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>for territory. And I do love. By the way, the

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.720
<v Speaker 1>outfit of the mainlander, he's got like this cool hat

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>cock to the side, and he's smoking a cigarette and he,

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, something looks kind of like nineteen twenties

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>gangster about him.

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a real vicious air to him.

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the gangster says, you know, it's bold of

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 1>you to come here alone, and Hung says, I've been

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.239
<v Speaker 1>in Hong Kong a long time. I've seen it all.

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 1>But then the mainlander guys like, bet you haven't seen this,

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 1>And then from somewhere up above, he drops a burlap

0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:57.800
<v Speaker 1>sack full of chopped up human body with bloody arms

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 1>poking out of it, and whoops. Inside the sack is

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Uncle Chi Hung's boss. And then the other gang reveals

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 1>that they also killed all of Hung's back up and

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:09.759
<v Speaker 1>now they're about to kill him as well, so they

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 1>tie him up, hang him upside down by his feet,

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and plunge his head into a bucket of water. So

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:16.240
<v Speaker 1>it's brutal.

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So suddenly we've gone from sports movie to violent

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 2>crime movie, and it seems like that movie's about to

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 2>end here rather quickly.

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 1>But now we're about six minutes into the film, we're

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:32.719
<v Speaker 1>about to get the first sudden intervention of magic. There

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 1>is a divine interruption of this gangland execution when an

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:41.720
<v Speaker 1>otherworldly wind and an emanation of white light burst into

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the scene, frightening and confusing the gangsters. And then we

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 1>cut away to see the source of this power. In

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the doorway to the warehouse, there is a bald monk

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>naked at the shoulder but wrapped in gold robes, with

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:58.279
<v Speaker 1>a gold band around his head, from which dangle these

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.720
<v Speaker 1>two large spheres are dish on either side, down below

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.880
<v Speaker 1>his jaw, and then in the dark all around we

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 1>can see jets of white radiant energy squirting off of him.

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 1>He almost literally looks like a lawn sprinkler of holiness.

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:13.680
<v Speaker 3>He does yes.

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Suddenly Chan Hung is free of his bindings. The ropes

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.440
<v Speaker 1>come undone. He looks around and he can stand up,

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and all of the rival gangsters lie dead on the ground.

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.720
<v Speaker 1>The apparition of the monk says, Chan Hung, you must

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>follow me. Chan Hung asks who are you? But he

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have time to figure it out. Here's police sirens approaching,

0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 1>so he has to flee the scene, and then he

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 1>goes back home to spend the night with his girlfriend.

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and a really steamy sex scene ensues. But it's

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 2>also important because it helps establish that our hero is

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.319
<v Speaker 2>a lover. He is a lusty gentleman, which is going

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 2>to be important later on.

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes you will. I think you were supposed to think

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>back to the scene immediately when he later promises the

0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Buddha vow of sexual abstinence.

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:00.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:04.320
<v Speaker 1>So later that night, Chan Hung has another strange vision.

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:07.280
<v Speaker 1>He has awakened from a dream to see a glowing

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>orange symbol floating in the air over his bed. It

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.319
<v Speaker 1>sort of looks like a carrot symbol, or like a

0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 1>capital letter A without a crossbar.

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm not sure if it's intended to be

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 2>read this way, but the symbol sort of looks like

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 2>the character for wren, which means man or person.

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Also, the symbol has its own soundtrack Q It's like

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 1>a hollow rhythm beating on a metal drum. And the

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.759
<v Speaker 1>symbol leads chan Hung into the living room where the

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 1>TV is on. It's blasting static and filling the room

0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 1>with blue light, and then the vision of the monk

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 1>in bodily form appears once again. He tells Hung that

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 1>there's something he needs to explain to him, but the

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 1>vision disappears when Hung's girlfriend walks into the room and

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>startles him. The next day, Chan Hung visits his brother

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 1>in the hospital. His brother is still in traction, covered

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 1>all over with bandages like a burn victim. I don't

0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:00.919
<v Speaker 1>understand why the bandage is. They're like all the way

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:01.760
<v Speaker 1>around his head.

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like a cartoon level of bandaging here.

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The doctor informs them that the brother's kickboxing career

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:11.839
<v Speaker 1>is over. He's going to be paralyzed for the rest

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 1>of his life, and Chan Hung is shaken and the

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 1>brother whispers that Hung must take revenge for him. He

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.840
<v Speaker 1>wants to see Hung get revenge on the tie boxer,

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 1>so we cut right to it. Next, we're in Thailand

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:28.439
<v Speaker 1>and we see busy city streets filled with cars. You've

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.799
<v Speaker 1>got rivers, canals with motor boats, beautiful Buddhist temples and

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:36.839
<v Speaker 1>shrines all around. Chan Hung goes to an event where

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 1>a local promoter is presenting an award to Boobo the

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>tie boxer. The gist of the ceremonies kind of like, well,

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:47.720
<v Speaker 1>they say Boobo showed the Hong Kong champion what boxing

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.799
<v Speaker 1>is all about. And then they say that, you know,

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 1>the Hong Kong judges were biased against our guy. The

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 1>fight was rigged, so the judgment doesn't really count. So

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 1>we declare our fighter the winner.

0:41:58.520 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a small gather, but it looks like the

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 2>local press was invited, and of course our hero has

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 2>shown up as well.

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the MC presents Bubo with a championship belt,

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 1>but before he can claim it, Chan Hung walks up

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and he smacks it to the ground and he starts

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 1>cussing it at below Young here, and they yell at

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 1>each other for a bit, and then they finally agree

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 1>that in three months the two of them will fight

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 1>a grudge match in Hong Kong.

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 2>And to your point earlier, it really does feel like

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 2>pro wrestling at this point. Here we have our obvious

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 2>heel and our obvious face here teasing the next big matchup,

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:36.240
<v Speaker 2>the grudge match.

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. In my English subtitles, by the way, they were

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>calling each other Hong Kong Boy and thie.

0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Boy, Yes, the same for me. So okay, it seems

0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 2>like the vengeance here is off to a great start.

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, they have something on the books, so good enough.

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Sure, but it's about to get more complicated because while

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>riding in a motor boat down the river canal after

0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:01.799
<v Speaker 1>the confrontation, Chan Hung suddenly sees a familiar shape at

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the peak of a roof of a Buddhist temple. He

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 1>sees that glowing orange shape from his waking dream, so

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 1>it's like, what's this He has to go in and investigate.

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:16.720
<v Speaker 1>When Chenhun approaches the entrance, a monk in orange robes

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 1>greets him and already knows him by name. He says,

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:23.080
<v Speaker 1>they've been expecting him. Inside the temple, we're treated to

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 1>visions of altars and shrines blowing with gold and candle light,

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.440
<v Speaker 1>and the dim interior and the monks all sing a

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 1>hypnotic repeating chant. We will hear this chant or something

0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.399
<v Speaker 1>like it many times in the film, and it has

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:39.880
<v Speaker 1>a powerful effect the way it just kind of like

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 1>cycles on itself. I found it deeply hypnotic.

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh, absolutely, yeah.

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 2>And of course these these these temple locations that they're

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 2>using are also just so amazing here. We'll have some

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 2>sets later on, but at least a number of these

0:43:56.760 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 2>early interiors that we're encountering like these are I believe

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 2>actual Tie Temple interiors.

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, the head Monk wastes no time getting into an

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 1>explanation for Chan Hung. He says, a year ago, our

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 1>abbot went to Hong Kong to take care of a

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 1>black magician, my Goosu. Okay, And so then we see

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 1>the sorcerer in question. He is getting out of a

0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 1>taxi cab and going into the airport, and he's not

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.279
<v Speaker 1>dressed like a wizard, by the way. He's in fact,

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 1>he to show that he practices black magic. He's dressed

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 1>all in black. He's wearing a black shirt, black shoes,

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 1>black pants, black belt, and has elvis hair. Yes, So

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:38.240
<v Speaker 1>this guy's walking into the airport, and then suddenly, from

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 1>behind him appears the abbot, dressed in his orange robes,

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 1>illuminating illuminated from behind, so he shimmers with this pious light,

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 1>and his head is also surrounded by a halo. There's

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:55.160
<v Speaker 1>a circular pattern of rainbow colored prismatic feathers, and the

0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 1>abbot calls out to my Goosu, who turns and looks

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.399
<v Speaker 1>at him like, oh no, I've and caught. And then

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:05.240
<v Speaker 1>the abbot holds up in his hand a tear shaped

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:08.840
<v Speaker 1>shard of mirror and then throws it at the Wizard.

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 1>It attaches to the Wizard's forehead and immediately starts to

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 1>like sap his black magic and destroy his body. So

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 1>the Magician starts screaming in pain, and then he starts

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 1>clutching at his face, which begins to melt and turns

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:28.799
<v Speaker 1>into white, goopy paste. Green light floods the scene, and

0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 1>then the Wizard starts exploding, not in one big explosion,

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:36.360
<v Speaker 1>but lots of little explosions, beginning with balloons that inflate

0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:40.320
<v Speaker 1>underneath his sloppy skin, and they're all over his arms

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and his neck and face, kind of like an infestation

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.719
<v Speaker 1>of boils, but they are full on skin balloons which

0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:47.960
<v Speaker 1>each blow up and pop.

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:50.880
<v Speaker 2>There are a number of subgenres that can be applied

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.160
<v Speaker 2>to the Boxer's omen. We should mention that one of

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:55.959
<v Speaker 2>them is body harp. There's a lot of body heart

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 2>in this movie. So if that's not your thing, if

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>you're not open to it, then I would maybe pass

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 2>on this one.

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the Wizard collapses to the floor while he's

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:08.799
<v Speaker 1>popping all over popping off. He collapses to the floor

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:12.080
<v Speaker 1>of the airport terminal. He melts some more and screams

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.319
<v Speaker 1>on the floor, and then he pulls himself up over

0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the top of a bunch of orange plastic chairs, at

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:21.319
<v Speaker 1>which point he has morphed into a different form, that

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>of a withered old wizard with long white spiderweb hair

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and pale skin and a big black spot on his

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 1>forehead with like long pointy bugle fingernails. I guess this

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 1>means that this is my Goosu's true form, and the

0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Elvis Wizard the guy in black was sort of his

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:40.640
<v Speaker 1>glamour spell.

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that was my interpretation as well.

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:47.360
<v Speaker 1>The abbot, now sitting cross legged on the airport a

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>lobby floor, is preying with hands folded, and this keeps

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:54.400
<v Speaker 1>exerting magical suffering on the Wizard, and then the Wizard

0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:58.439
<v Speaker 1>collapses on the ground, seemingly dead with dry plaster skin,

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 1>and then out of his mouth something begins to wiggle.

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 1>It is a bat. It is a bat crawling out

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.359
<v Speaker 1>of his mouth, a bat that lived inside the Wizard's mouth,

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's so cute and it squeaks and flies away.

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 2>But if you think that's the end of it, it

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.480
<v Speaker 2>is not. One thing you'll quickly learn about this film

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:20.279
<v Speaker 2>is most pictures would leave it at bat, but not

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:21.319
<v Speaker 2>the Boxer Zone. It.

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 1>No, no, we're just getting started. The abbot catches the

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 1>bat in his hand. He puts the wiggling bat in

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 1>his pocket and then goes back to his temple in Thailand.

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 1>So like did he get on an airplane with the

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 1>bat squeaking and writhing the whole way?

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:38.839
<v Speaker 2>And then it was a different, different world back then

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 2>when it came to flying around.

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Back at the temple, in front of a shrine with

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 1>a golden Buddha, he does a ritual to defeat the

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:56.800
<v Speaker 1>black magic, involving a bunch of candles, a dagger, a bell,

0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a pink flowering tree branch. This might be a cherry

0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 1>cherry blossom branch. I'm not sure, But here we begin

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 1>to see a symmetry. While the abbot is doing a

0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>holy ritual in his holy place, we first get a

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:15.800
<v Speaker 1>glimpse into the realm of the anti holy, some kind

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:20.520
<v Speaker 1>of devil's temple somewhere else. There is a large room

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>filled with shelves containing clay jars, and at one end

0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:27.600
<v Speaker 1>of this big room full of jars, there is a

0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:32.120
<v Speaker 1>giant shrine to the demons and dealers of black magic.

0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:36.200
<v Speaker 1>So we have a roaring bonfire presided over by a

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.840
<v Speaker 1>statue of a huge winged devil with glowing yellow eyes,

0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:43.960
<v Speaker 1>four horns around a bald head, and note that the

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:47.160
<v Speaker 1>fire seems to be basically emanating from the demon's crotch.

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>And then in front of that four giant white statues

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 1>representing hands with curled, clutching fingers, and on each hand

0:48:56.800 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 1>a statue of some kind of nasty animal scorpions, bats, spiders,

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 1>and I think snakes or maybe caterpillars. All around there

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:10.399
<v Speaker 1>are various other implements of evils strewn about the room.

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:13.399
<v Speaker 1>You got skulls, daggers, and a tea kettle. I guess

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>for tea.

0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:15.359
<v Speaker 3>Well you gotta have tea either way.

0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:19.239
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, this is glorious looking, some great great use

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:22.560
<v Speaker 2>of red and green gels. This looks like the most

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:26.319
<v Speaker 2>amazing Halloween decorations you could imagine, very well done. And

0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I could be off on this, but I think maybe

0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:31.880
<v Speaker 2>each nasty animal corresponds to a different wizard. We're going

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:35.520
<v Speaker 2>to see during the rest of the picture here, but

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 2>at any rate, we're about to touch base with a

0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:46.120
<v Speaker 2>related wizard to the wizard that was just murdered in

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 2>the airport. This is going to be our main wizard

0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:52.040
<v Speaker 2>for the picture, and then later on we'll deal with

0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:55.720
<v Speaker 2>some of his apprentices. Three of his apprentices, so four

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:57.480
<v Speaker 2>wizards remaining in this movie.

0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Right. So back at the temple, we see the abbot

0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:04.160
<v Speaker 1>doing his own kind of magic. He's doing an exorcism

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.880
<v Speaker 1>of the evil magic by hammering a gold dagger into

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the heart of the demon bat that he holds captive.

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:14.920
<v Speaker 1>And then we see the bat at the evil Shrine

0:50:14.960 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and green goose starts to pour out of its heart,

0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 1>and then the abbot pours holy water over the captive bat,

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 1>and at the evil Shrine, the bat statue dissolves and

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 1>melts away, leaving only a bat skeleton behind. Then it's

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of like the moment where something has gotten the

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 1>attention of a higher up. In response, out of somewhere

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 1>in the Evil Shrine, a being awakens. We see it

0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:45.240
<v Speaker 1>first as a figure in black with glowing red eyes,

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 1>then revealed to be a man wearing a monstrous bat

0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 1>mask with a big white wig. The figure flies across

0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:56.640
<v Speaker 1>the room, takes off the bat mask, revealing that he

0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:59.800
<v Speaker 1>is a man with a mustache, wearing a black headband,

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 1>red and gold mark on his forehead. And this will

0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.200
<v Speaker 1>be our main evil wizard for the film, or at

0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:08.840
<v Speaker 1>least the first half of the film. And he looks

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.680
<v Speaker 1>down at the skeleton a little bit sad and says,

0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:16.320
<v Speaker 1>how dare he kill my bat? So let the counter

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 1>rituals begin? And I want to say it just by

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:25.640
<v Speaker 1>describing it. It is hard to convey the ludicrous, frenetic

0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 1>feeling of the scenes where the bad wizard carries out

0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:33.360
<v Speaker 1>his black magic invocations and recipes. Part of the effect,

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I think is the cinematography. Something feels almost in fast

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:41.960
<v Speaker 1>forward about it. Part of it is also the actor's performance.

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 1>The actor who plays the evil wizard has this uncontrollable, mischievous,

0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:52.080
<v Speaker 1>satanic spider monkey energy. He's so good. And then part

0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:54.000
<v Speaker 1>of it also is in the content of what he

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:56.960
<v Speaker 1>is doing, which is so off the wall. So it's

0:51:57.000 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 1>like open a jar, grab a live rat out of

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the jar, take a bite out of the rat, spit

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:04.799
<v Speaker 1>blood all over the bat skeleton, and start screaming at it.

0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 1>To revive, revive, And this is the part I was

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about earlier when I was like, it's not the

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of somber reverence for Satan that you expect out

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:17.960
<v Speaker 1>of movies like The Devil's Rain or Empire of the Dark. Instead,

0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:20.319
<v Speaker 1>this is a guy in a hurry yelling at his

0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:22.759
<v Speaker 1>car when he's turning the key and it won't turn over.

0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's a delightful choice, I think. And

0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:31.560
<v Speaker 1>so the Wizard gets his bat skeleton up and walking

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:34.879
<v Speaker 1>around and he's chasing it, clicking a bone at it

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:38.120
<v Speaker 1>and trying to get it to move faster. And meanwhile

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 1>at the Abbot's temple, while he's doing that, the bat

0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:43.840
<v Speaker 1>skeleton at the Abbot's temple gets up and starts walking

0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:47.000
<v Speaker 1>around too. It's walking toward the door. So the Wizard

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 1>is remote controlling a distant bat skeleton with his own

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:54.839
<v Speaker 1>bat skeleton covered in rat blood that he spit on it.

0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:57.440
<v Speaker 2>In both cases, it's moving with kind of a wind

0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 2>up toy yes energy to it. And this is a

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, all the scenes in this movie are pretty weird.

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:08.560
<v Speaker 2>This one is weird early on because I'm like, am

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I rooting for the bat skeleton. The tension we're building here,

0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I think I want the bat skeleton to escape. The

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:18.480
<v Speaker 2>abbot and our dark wizard is like saying things like

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:20.400
<v Speaker 2>get out of there, Get out of there, there's nothing

0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:22.160
<v Speaker 2>else to see. You got to get out of there,

0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:24.239
<v Speaker 2>and I'm kind of like, yeah, go, bad go.

0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:28.120
<v Speaker 1>He's so annoyed, though. The Wizard is just like, get out.

0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:30.360
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing to say yet He's trying to get it

0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:33.919
<v Speaker 1>to hurry up. Fortunately, I guess from the Abbot's point

0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:36.800
<v Speaker 1>of view, the Abbot catches the bat skeleton in mid escape,

0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and then he gets out a giant Looney Tunes size hammer,

0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:44.359
<v Speaker 1>like a huge mallet, and smashes it just.

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Over and over again too, just smash smash, smash, smash, smash.

0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:47.560
<v Speaker 3>And the.

0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Wizard does not like this. He says, he broke my

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:56.360
<v Speaker 1>magic again, damn. So the magic continues. The Wizard starts

0:53:56.440 --> 0:54:00.520
<v Speaker 1>frantically playing a reed pipe instrument like a snake charm.

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:03.160
<v Speaker 1>He still has blood on his mouth from biting the rat.

0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:06.560
<v Speaker 1>By the way, serpents come out of several clay jars.

0:54:06.600 --> 0:54:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Their tongues are flicking. They slither on the floor. The

0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Wizard grabs them and milks the snakes for venom, which

0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:16.520
<v Speaker 1>is kind of green sour apple juice that drains into

0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:19.840
<v Speaker 1>a flask. And then he opens another clay jar and

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:24.920
<v Speaker 1>pulls a head out, a defleshed skull covered in jelly

0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:29.840
<v Speaker 1>like spam with eyeballs and brain intact.

0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's so gross. It's so gross, but it just

0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:38.439
<v Speaker 2>perfectly executed. It just this is pure Halloween right here.

0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.440
<v Speaker 1>He pulls a bunch of worms off the head, breaks

0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:45.760
<v Speaker 1>open the skull, revealing fresh brain like, full fleshy fresh brain,

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 1>pours the snake venom that he just milked into the brain, stirs,

0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:55.440
<v Speaker 1>scrambles it, pours the venom slash brain combo into a

0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:59.360
<v Speaker 1>clay pot and cooks it. Pours out the green juice

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 1>on the resulting green juice on this like white board.

0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Then gets out a sack and releases from it three tarantulas,

0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:11.440
<v Speaker 1>which crawl out and drink the juice through straws. And

0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the tarantulas, much like the bat, are sort of felt

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:17.400
<v Speaker 1>textured and look very cute adorable.

0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah again, very much a wind up toy sort

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 2>of vibe going on here with these little creatures, and.

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:27.160
<v Speaker 1>The wizard is screaming, grant me infinite power Lord of

0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:31.160
<v Speaker 1>the Dark. And then later we see the wizard sneaking

0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:34.760
<v Speaker 1>into the Abbot's temple assassin's creed style. There's some fence

0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:39.960
<v Speaker 1>climbing in light parkour. He's a very agile wizard and

0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:42.680
<v Speaker 1>he obviously hates it in here, all these buddhas and

0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 1>this holy stuff. He's repulsed. But the wizard finds the

0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:49.000
<v Speaker 1>room where the abbot is sleeping. He crawls up the

0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:51.520
<v Speaker 1>wall like a spider. I guess he has sticky hands.

0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Then he crawls on the ceiling, then releases his magic tarantulas,

0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:59.719
<v Speaker 1>which descend on threads to the abbot's bed, climb on

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:02.840
<v Speaker 1>the ap its face, and pierce his eyeballs with magic

0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:03.840
<v Speaker 1>golden needles.

0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again, this is all a flashbacks, all providing

0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:11.960
<v Speaker 2>a little backstory here, but it's also just a nice

0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:18.040
<v Speaker 2>snapshot at where the film's going from here. So I

0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:20.000
<v Speaker 2>want to add just a general note here that part

0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:23.320
<v Speaker 2>of the movie's real charm is the way amid glorious

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:26.560
<v Speaker 2>set design and lighting will go from some really grizzly

0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:30.040
<v Speaker 2>prop use and things that might be entrails from a

0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:34.440
<v Speaker 2>local butcher shop to some really cool looking animated effects,

0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:37.640
<v Speaker 2>and then the use of puppetry and wind up toy

0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:41.120
<v Speaker 2>effects for things like bats, spider skulls and little demons.

0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.319
<v Speaker 2>And on one level, yeah, there's kind of a wide

0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:46.680
<v Speaker 2>drift here in the quality of the effects. That's one

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:48.600
<v Speaker 2>way of looking at it. But there's also kind of

0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:52.760
<v Speaker 2>a house esque other worldliness to it that can almost

0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.840
<v Speaker 2>be hard to explain, like just a real madness to

0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:58.359
<v Speaker 2>the whole affair that the wind up toy effects kind

0:56:58.360 --> 0:56:59.399
<v Speaker 2>of punctuy you know.

0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Like the variability of the effects textures almost

0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:09.120
<v Speaker 1>emphasize the unpredictability of the story and the things that

0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:09.760
<v Speaker 1>are happening.

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just like you know, he goes to all

0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:17.960
<v Speaker 2>these grotesque extremes, committing multiple atrocities to create some sort

0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:21.000
<v Speaker 2>of magic potion that then this like obvious wind up

0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:23.640
<v Speaker 2>toy creature drinks, and then we move on to the

0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:28.640
<v Speaker 2>next level of the spell slash vengeance plan that's in effect.

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:31.760
<v Speaker 2>But again, I think the other way to interpret all

0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:35.080
<v Speaker 2>this is that dark wizards are as crazy as they

0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:38.400
<v Speaker 2>are vile, Like you just have to be completely shamelessly

0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:42.600
<v Speaker 2>unhinged in order to practice these dark hearts. But don't

0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:44.520
<v Speaker 2>fret they're going to be more spells, and they're going

0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to be more spell components.

0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The other thing I wanted to say about the

0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Dark Wizard is it almost feels I mean, they're productive,

0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:58.000
<v Speaker 1>They're on this constant improvisational grind. These guys feel like,

0:57:58.080 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, get up at six and get to the

0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:01.200
<v Speaker 1>dark magic immediately.

0:58:01.800 --> 0:58:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, those atrocities aren't gonna commit themselves.

0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:58:08.040 --> 0:58:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, finally we're sort of getting caught up. So back

0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:15.480
<v Speaker 1>in the present, the monk finishes explaining this backstory to Chanhung.

0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:19.640
<v Speaker 1>He explains that the abbot, again whose name was ching Jo,

0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:23.600
<v Speaker 1>was about to achieve immortality.

0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Or as a different translation might put it, maybe like

0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:27.920
<v Speaker 2>enlightenment or liberation.

0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:32.280
<v Speaker 1>But because of the poison injected into his eyes by

0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the cursed spiders, he can no longer attain that goal

0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:40.720
<v Speaker 1>unless somebody breaks the magic spell, and the abbot prophesied

0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:44.240
<v Speaker 1>that three months earlier, a man named Chanhung would come

0:58:44.240 --> 0:58:46.600
<v Speaker 1>to the temple and he would be the one who

0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:50.240
<v Speaker 1>could break the curse. Chanhung does not believe it, but

0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:53.760
<v Speaker 1>there will be proof. The abbot's body was placed inside

0:58:53.760 --> 0:58:56.840
<v Speaker 1>a giant urn upon his death, and if there is

0:58:56.920 --> 0:58:59.920
<v Speaker 1>any decomposition of the abbot's body, they will know that

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:03.040
<v Speaker 1>it was nonsense. But if the body is perfectly preserved,

0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:05.840
<v Speaker 1>then they'll know it was all true. So they go

0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:08.400
<v Speaker 1>to check out the urn. Some monks shatter it with

0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:11.400
<v Speaker 1>big mallets, and the abbot is not rotten at all.

0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.479
<v Speaker 1>Uh oh, chen Hung is now implicated. He's got to help.

0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fabulous scene. I love the shattering of the greater

0:59:17.360 --> 0:59:21.080
<v Speaker 2>urn and inside yet the uncorrupted corpse of the Abbot,

0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:24.080
<v Speaker 2>playing on very real traditions in both the East and

0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:27.760
<v Speaker 2>the West of holy men whose bodies do not fully decompose,

0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:31.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, also getting into traditions of self mummification.

0:59:31.720 --> 0:59:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Also, right after this, the monks lock chen Hung inside

0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:37.320
<v Speaker 1>the room with the Abbot's body. Is trying to get out,

0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:39.360
<v Speaker 1>but they lock him in there, and the body starts

0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:42.520
<v Speaker 1>talking to him. It says, you must be curious as

0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:45.360
<v Speaker 1>to why I've summoned you here. It's because we were

0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:49.040
<v Speaker 1>twins in our past lives. That's why your fate is

0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:52.240
<v Speaker 1>similar to mine in this life. So whatever happens to

0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:56.320
<v Speaker 1>me will happen to you. Uh oh. So because of

0:59:56.360 --> 0:59:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the golden needles in his eyes, if there were normal people,

1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:03.840
<v Speaker 1>the Abbot's body would already have decomposed, and Chanhung would

1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:06.480
<v Speaker 1>already be dead because the same thing would happen to

1:00:06.560 --> 1:00:09.960
<v Speaker 1>him that happens to the abbot, But the body is

1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:13.400
<v Speaker 1>not decomposed and Chanhung is still alive, and the abbot

1:00:13.400 --> 1:00:17.480
<v Speaker 1>explains this is because of his practice of Buddhism. He says,

1:00:17.520 --> 1:00:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I almost achieved immortality, but because I was hit with

1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:23.760
<v Speaker 1>the poison spell, I couldn't succeed. But by the time

1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:26.800
<v Speaker 1>my body decomposes, it will be your time of death.

1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:30.520
<v Speaker 1>You can't avoid it. So that's the setup. These two

1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:33.840
<v Speaker 1>are magically linked as twins from a past life. The

1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:36.840
<v Speaker 1>abbot can no longer fight this battle because he is dead,

1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and only Chanhung can save them both. If Chanhun can

1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:43.760
<v Speaker 1>defeat the evil magic, his life will be saved and

1:00:43.800 --> 1:00:47.120
<v Speaker 1>the Abbot will be able to achieve immortality. Otherwise it's

1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:48.200
<v Speaker 1>curtains for them both.

1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah Yeah, and don't really worry about the kickboxing revenge anymore.

1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:54.640
<v Speaker 2>It's less important at this point.

1:00:54.840 --> 1:00:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Chenhung doesn't want to hear this, of course. He

1:00:57.720 --> 1:01:01.160
<v Speaker 1>cusses out the monk and he leaves that night. In

1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:04.760
<v Speaker 1>the hotel room, he has some eel vomiting issues. He

1:01:04.840 --> 1:01:07.960
<v Speaker 1>vomits up a live eel in the sink. Doesn't like that.

1:01:08.560 --> 1:01:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Ye great sequence would be the most memorable scene in

1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:14.919
<v Speaker 2>many other movies. Here it can become a little lost

1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:15.480
<v Speaker 2>in the shuffle.

1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. So next day he's like, Okay, I don't

1:01:18.320 --> 1:01:20.360
<v Speaker 1>want to do that again. So he goes back to

1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:22.439
<v Speaker 1>the temple and he says, I will help you fight.

1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:25.640
<v Speaker 1>But then the next shoe drops. In order to have

1:01:25.760 --> 1:01:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the magical abilities he's going to need in order to

1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:31.040
<v Speaker 1>fight this battle, he has to become a monk, and

1:01:31.040 --> 1:01:33.960
<v Speaker 1>that means shaving his head, giving up his life of crime,

1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:37.920
<v Speaker 1>giving up sin and earthly pleasures. Oh no, but he

1:01:38.280 --> 1:01:41.120
<v Speaker 1>does it, and we see a ceremony where he is

1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:43.840
<v Speaker 1>led into the temple complex riding on the back of

1:01:43.880 --> 1:01:47.440
<v Speaker 1>an elephant with dancers marching all around. He makes an

1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:50.760
<v Speaker 1>offering and he bows before the Buddha and he begins

1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:54.200
<v Speaker 1>his practice. And this part of the movie is kind

1:01:54.200 --> 1:01:57.960
<v Speaker 1>of like a long Buddhist monk magic warrior training montage.

1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:01.479
<v Speaker 1>He goes through the rituals, he humble himself and even

1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:03.920
<v Speaker 1>receives a new name that the monks at the temple

1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:08.480
<v Speaker 1>call him, Kaidi Baluo. The training has several different things.

1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:11.320
<v Speaker 1>One is enduring leeches in a river. He has to

1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:13.200
<v Speaker 1>like get in a river where he gets covered in

1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:16.680
<v Speaker 1>leeches and the is you know, his master is like

1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:20.400
<v Speaker 1>you stay there. This is played for laughs, by the way, Yes, hilarious.

1:02:21.400 --> 1:02:24.480
<v Speaker 1>And then there's also a scene which was so strange,

1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:26.680
<v Speaker 1>but I wonder if this is based on anything real

1:02:27.280 --> 1:02:31.400
<v Speaker 1>where he gets inside of a giant clay pot that

1:02:31.520 --> 1:02:34.960
<v Speaker 1>starts to glow. The pot is covered with sacred writing,

1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and then chan Hung is on the inside and his

1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:40.919
<v Speaker 1>hands are wrapped in ropes and the ropes go out

1:02:40.920 --> 1:02:43.400
<v Speaker 1>of the pot and are held by monks all around

1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:47.360
<v Speaker 1>him who are chanting. And then he is absorbed in

1:02:47.520 --> 1:02:51.960
<v Speaker 1>a scripture tornado where the sacred writing on the pot

1:02:52.040 --> 1:02:54.840
<v Speaker 1>spins all around him and like becomes a funnel, and

1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:57.600
<v Speaker 1>then the lines of scripture flow down his arms and

1:02:57.680 --> 1:02:58.600
<v Speaker 1>into his blood.

1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:02.439
<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, it's pretty great animate use of animation here,

1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:04.840
<v Speaker 2>and I really think it's a it's a great element

1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:06.640
<v Speaker 2>of the film here that yeah, with the black magic

1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:10.000
<v Speaker 2>is consistently like gross and over the top and just

1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:14.200
<v Speaker 2>completely mind rending, but also the good guy magic is

1:03:14.240 --> 1:03:16.120
<v Speaker 2>also so visually impressive here.

1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right, and and there is a strong I mean,

1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:25.840
<v Speaker 1>even esthetically, the two different schools of magic really emphasize

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<v Speaker 1>themes of like order versus chaos, Like the sorcerers are

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<v Speaker 1>doing chaos magic. And there is something that feels very

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<v Speaker 1>traditional and ordered and structured about the magic practiced by

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<v Speaker 1>the monks here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's centered around language, you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so orderly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a great point.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing that comes is the vows, So this is

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<v Speaker 1>an important plot point. In order to maintain purity, he

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<v Speaker 1>must keep his vows as a monk, so he swears

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<v Speaker 1>to follow the Buddha and do a bunch of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>He has to abstain from prohibited activities such as gambling, murder, sex,

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<v Speaker 1>and drinking alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's up for it. He's like, let's do it, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the head monk after that says, so you've succeeded.

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<v Speaker 1>You are now ready to defeat evil. It feels like

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<v Speaker 1>it comes on so fast. Yeah, but they're wasting no

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<v Speaker 1>time at all. We cut straight to an amazing wizard battle.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to narrate this one with as much

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<v Speaker 1>detail as the last one. Well, the last one in

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<v Speaker 1>a battle, I guess, but the last ritual scene. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to mention at least some of the

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<v Speaker 1>incredible sites and developments throughout. First of all, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know Rob where this takes place. Is it in another

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<v Speaker 1>plane of existence? It feels like it's kind of in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of a void world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a place becomes less important here, doesn't it, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like two magical forces doing battle with each other.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be like, basically the way it's presented here

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<v Speaker 2>visually is one practitioner seated on one end and the

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<v Speaker 2>other practitioners seated on the other, and magical effects are

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<v Speaker 2>kind of going to war between the two of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So you could certainly interpret this as happening like within

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<v Speaker 2>like the astral plane, or within the mental realm that

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<v Speaker 2>exists between their shared minds, or yeah, did they go

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<v Speaker 2>to some sort of like neutral zone where it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to go to the battle chamber where the

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<v Speaker 2>wizards do get out. I guess I lean more towards

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that it's in some sort of a zone

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<v Speaker 2>in their head, But I don't know. You go each

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<v Speaker 2>direction here.

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<v Speaker 1>So it begins when the evil Wizard flies in Through

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<v Speaker 1>the Night in his batmsk costume, and then he says,

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<v Speaker 1>show me what you got, yes, And then by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the Evil Wizard has Ultimate Warrior face paint on. It's

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<v Speaker 1>awesome and like purple satin suit. He's surrounded by an

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<v Speaker 1>army of crocodile skulls which are animated by chicken blood.

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<v Speaker 2>He throws, kick and clack and crawl around and eventually

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<v Speaker 2>chased a chase after a chicken carcass.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and warning two people. In this scene, there is

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<v Speaker 1>what appears to me to be probably an unsimulated beheading

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<v Speaker 1>of a chicken. I'm not positive about that, but it

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<v Speaker 1>looks to me like it's real. So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>you get that with some of these older movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are most of the animal violence in this picture.

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<v Speaker 2>It does appear to be quite simulated.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the other stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but if this chicken and maybe another chicken scene

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<v Speaker 2>are a little questionable, well, to be clear, the other

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<v Speaker 2>chicken is definitely dead. Yeah, but also very gross. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a gross movie, just to drive that home

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<v Speaker 2>once more.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, you've got blooming, blooming red eyes out of

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<v Speaker 1>these crocodile skulls, you've got bats in the eye holes.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the wizard is saying, get up, attack the monk,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the monks of the bats fly at him,

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<v Speaker 1>but he kind of surrounds himself with a magical force

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<v Speaker 1>field that becomes a glowing hot glue trap for bats.

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<v Speaker 1>They get stuck to it and then it incinerates them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we get the evil rice. The wizard starts

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<v Speaker 1>throwing out handfuls of rice over the crocodile heads and saying,

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<v Speaker 1>dark Lord, grant ultimate power to this rice. And then

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<v Speaker 1>chan Hung is attacked by a sworn, a swarm of

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<v Speaker 1>animated crocodile skulls which are chomping like wind up teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he dispatches these by like throwing little Buddhist

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<v Speaker 2>ambulance into all their mouths.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, basically like each wizard is a general commanding

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<v Speaker 2>these different magical effects against each other.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. So the bad Wizard he starts eating rotten

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<v Speaker 1>guts and vomiting them and eating them and saying, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>full of power now. And then there's pink vomit from

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<v Speaker 1>a giant pot that's bubbling and becoming a green martian

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<v Speaker 1>head with this giant cranium and pointy ears and this

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<v Speaker 1>like rises up out of the pot. Where does this

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<v Speaker 1>green Martian come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Words cannot describe how bizarre this point and an already

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<v Speaker 2>just completely crazy sequence is Like, this is such an

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<v Speaker 2>ultimate WTF moment in this film. Just my jaw literally

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<v Speaker 2>drops at this point in the movie. And then it

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<v Speaker 2>just keeps happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then it becomes scanners because the monk uses

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<v Speaker 1>his scanner's powers to make the green Martian head explode.

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<v Speaker 1>The Wizard then pokes himself in the neck with needles

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<v Speaker 1>and then severs his own head and his severed head

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<v Speaker 1>flies away from his body with arteries dangling out of

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<v Speaker 1>the ragged neck, and then attacks the monk by strangling

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<v Speaker 1>him with the arteries. And then the monk fights back

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<v Speaker 1>and makes the Wizard's head melt with the power of

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<v Speaker 1>a red son.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then this is the finish to the match.

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<v Speaker 2>This Wizard is now for real dead.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that part is over. So Chan Hung is

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<v Speaker 1>like after the battle, he's talking to the head monk

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<v Speaker 1>who tells him Evil is defeated. The abbot can achieve

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<v Speaker 1>immortality and you can go back to Hong Kong. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty It's like, wow, that was sudden. But as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as he gets home to Hong Kong Chan Hung,

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<v Speaker 1>he like comes in through the door, he sees his

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend in the shower, and he has overcome with lust.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point I think he was wondering, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>do I still have to keep all those vows I

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<v Speaker 1>made to the Buddha? Unclear? Don't know if I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>bound by that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's my understanding, especially in Thai Buddhism, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can enter the priesthood and become a

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<v Speaker 2>monk for a certain period of time, such as like

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<v Speaker 2>before you become married and so forth, or perhaps later

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<v Speaker 2>on if you're changing something up in your life, that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing. So we can't really apply some of

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<v Speaker 2>the same thinking that we would apply to say, Western

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<v Speaker 2>Christian monastic traditions. So my understanding here is it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like he's in the clear. Rights he did the Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he fought evil, he defeated evil. They told him he

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<v Speaker 2>could go home. He is totally in the clear here

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<v Speaker 2>to get naked with his already naked girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so lust wins out. He gets in the shower

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<v Speaker 1>with her, and also there's some funny dialogue in the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's basically like, did you cheat on me a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in Thailand? And he says, I was a monk

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<v Speaker 1>for three months, and as she goes, it's about time.

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<v Speaker 2>In the end, right, they live happily over half?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you would think so. No, they live happily for

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<v Speaker 1>a bit, but then there is more wickedness to come.

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<v Speaker 1>So we get a funeral for a bad wizard. I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is supposed to be the evil Wizard's body

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<v Speaker 1>burning on a big funeral pyre head. Yeah, who's burning it?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? We see three more wizards of the Black Magic

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<v Speaker 1>School looking on. Are they are they supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>colleagues or apprentices of the main wizard, maybe like underlings.

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<v Speaker 2>Or they could have even been in in these but hey,

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<v Speaker 2>once a holy monk takes out one of your own, like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's a uniting principle. They are clearly hell

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<v Speaker 2>bent now on seeking vengeance against those who took out

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<v Speaker 2>this dark wizard.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they're gonna ratchet up the craziness. So these

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<v Speaker 1>three they go to a spooky house in the woods

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<v Speaker 1>with owls hooting outside, and then from under the house

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<v Speaker 1>they retrieve a mummy, you know, from the mummy storage cellar.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a wet mummy, by the way, wrapped in vines.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a bog mummy, swamp mummy, nasty swamp corpse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. Can do you describe what happens

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<v Speaker 1>from here?

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<v Speaker 3>Like? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they they really get to cooking basically, so

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<v Speaker 2>they don't do a lot of describing, so we just

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<v Speaker 2>have to sort of follow along. But what they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to try and do apparently is either create a body

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<v Speaker 2>for an evil spirit to inhabit, or they're gonna resurrect

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<v Speaker 2>an old or powerful sorceress. And so what they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>need would for this, which whichever route we're taking here,

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<v Speaker 2>is they have to get that dead body from the swamp,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they need to steal or acquire a crocodile,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they are going to get that crocodile corpse.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to put the dead human body inside the

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<v Speaker 2>crocodile corpse, sew it up, and then all.

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<v Speaker 1>Men crocodile Wellington, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and then all manner of depravities have to be

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<v Speaker 2>committed in order to complete the spell. Like I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a flayed human heads just hanging around watching on. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the body is kind of like cooking inside

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<v Speaker 2>of the dead crocodile while the three wizards conduct foul

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<v Speaker 2>rituals and prepare quote unquote food for the soon to

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<v Speaker 2>be revived body of the demon Sorceress.

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<v Speaker 1>Which involves a lot of chewing up and eating disgusting,

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<v Speaker 1>gross stuff and then either spitting or vomiting it out,

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<v Speaker 1>and then maybe another one of them eating it and chewing.

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<v Speaker 2>It up again, Yeah, in the same shot. So you

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<v Speaker 2>can't suspec disbelief on that. So it's like, yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 2>chewing up pieces of chicken entrails, Durian fruit, I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 2>like rotten durian fruit, because Durian fruit in and of

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<v Speaker 2>itself is perfectly tasty, if not a little fragrant. But

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<v Speaker 2>so for these guys, normal Durian fruit clearly is not

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<v Speaker 2>going to work. This is probably something that's rotted a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, just madness, gross, madness. Amazing. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>see the effects of their evil work in two different

1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:32.880
<v Speaker 1>intercut scenes. First of all, we've got the monks at

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<v Speaker 1>the abbey or at the temple. They are preparing the

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<v Speaker 1>Abbot's body for immortality. They're like covering it with gold

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<v Speaker 1>and chanting all around it. I meanwhile, Chan Hung is

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<v Speaker 1>remember the kickboxing grudge match. Oh, yeah, happening. Now it's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>He's fighting the tie boxer for revenge. So while these

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<v Speaker 1>things are happening, the demones awakes and they give her

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<v Speaker 1>Freddy Krueger fingers by the way, and she wakes up

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<v Speaker 1>and they guide her over to I guess it's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a statue of the abbot, and she pokes

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<v Speaker 1>the eyes of the statue with her claws and then,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, that inflicts simultaneous curses. First of all, the

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<v Speaker 1>gold falls from the Abbot's corpse and seems to signal, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not incorruptible anymore. He's going to decompose. And then

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of his kickboxing match, Chan Hung loses

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<v Speaker 1>his sight and not only loses his sight, but acquires

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<v Speaker 1>maggot vision.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so glorious because yes, suddenly he goes blind

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<v Speaker 2>during the match. You know, he's having the blind punch

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<v Speaker 2>and kick while Bolo pummels him, and you might wonder

1:14:35.760 --> 1:14:37.599
<v Speaker 2>that it's viewer, Well what does he see? And yeah,

1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:40.480
<v Speaker 2>we get the POV shot of it, and it's just maggots.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a visor shape on the screen and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just maggots rolling around there. And then later on he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to get a backstage like mirror vision where he

1:14:51.520 --> 1:14:55.799
<v Speaker 2>sees maggots just falling out of his eye sockets. So, yeah,

1:14:55.840 --> 1:14:57.559
<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of gross worms in this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So chan Hung is beaten badly.

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<v Speaker 2>But he pulls out the victory though.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he does, he does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he somehow kicks Bolo over the top rope. Bolo

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<v Speaker 2>goes through a table.

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<v Speaker 1>And okay, okay, and then our.

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<v Speaker 2>Hero runs backstage with his maggot eyes and then we

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he looks in the mirror and he sees

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<v Speaker 2>maggots falling out.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally missed that he actually beat Bolo.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I guess maybe maybe that is the conclusion

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<v Speaker 2>of Vengeance is Acquired here.

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<v Speaker 1>I could be Okay, Now I feel bad. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I was totally wrong about the fact that it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't tie up the kickboxing thing because I was under

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<v Speaker 1>the misimpression that he lost in this match because of

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to his eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he doesn't get to savor the victory, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean I was paying attention. I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess his victory is short enough that I looked

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<v Speaker 1>away and looked back, and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's It's easy to lose sight of the mundane plot

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<v Speaker 2>at this point because the crazy magic plot is just

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<v Speaker 2>growing in size.

1:15:57.160 --> 1:15:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, he goes back to the temple to find out

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<v Speaker 1>what went wrong, and the monk there is like, you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't break any of your vows, did you.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, no, no, of course not. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't admit to it immediately, but they will eventually

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out with the help of a supernatural fire

1:16:13.439 --> 1:16:21.080
<v Speaker 1>based lie detector test. But anyway, first the monks they

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<v Speaker 1>think he has still been faithful, and the head monk says,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, I'll arrange another duel for you. But first

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to do a power up scene.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right, They're going to need some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of extra power, and so they go out to search

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<v Speaker 2>for the thousand year old Ganoderma. So again, it's easy

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<v Speaker 2>to get caught up in all the hideous rituals of

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<v Speaker 2>the dark Wizards, and so caught up in it that

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<v Speaker 2>we can forget the sublime wonder and weirdness of the

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<v Speaker 2>Buddhist magic scenes. So that's exactly what we have here

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<v Speaker 2>with the quest for the thousand year old ganoderma that

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<v Speaker 2>is presumably racie mushroom. It is in the genus Ganoderma,

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<v Speaker 2>So the Rachi mushroom, if you're not familiar with it,

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<v Speaker 2>it holds an important place in traditional Chinese medicine, various

1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:13.800
<v Speaker 2>other Asian folk medicine traditions, and also in general in

1:17:13.840 --> 1:17:17.320
<v Speaker 2>the world of like alternative medicine and supplements and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>A few years back, my wife and I prepared a

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<v Speaker 2>tea from some racie mushrooms that we foraged. Oh nice,

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<v Speaker 2>how was that very bitter?

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<v Speaker 3>Very better?

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<v Speaker 2>But it enhanced my chi, ease my spirit, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>probably promoted longevity. So these are some of the ideas

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<v Speaker 2>that are held concerning the rachi and you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>still consumed all over the world. Paul Stainments is a

1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:43.920
<v Speaker 2>big fan of the Racie mushroom. But anyway, this is

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<v Speaker 2>our magical take on it. You know, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>thousand year old mushroom they're seeking out, so our hero

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<v Speaker 2>in the current habit, they find this ancient mushroom in

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<v Speaker 2>a chasm of a great Buddha's eye in an underground temple.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have to say, this is just a fantastic set,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is not a real temple location, but just

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible set. It has this like magic flaming tree

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<v Speaker 2>growing out of the eye socket as well, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of like rope down to it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they draw the magic out of the mushroom by applying

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<v Speaker 2>honey to it. And this allows the magic goo to

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<v Speaker 2>then clear goo to drip down from the mushroom into

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<v Speaker 2>this little amulet container. That way, our hero can use

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<v Speaker 2>it later on when he's fighting evil.

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<v Speaker 1>By apply by doing self surgery on himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, he's gonna have to terminate or his arm

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<v Speaker 2>in a really gross scene. So even the good magic

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<v Speaker 2>practitioners here do get into a little bit of body

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<v Speaker 2>are for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But also by the way, before the duel can be arranged,

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<v Speaker 1>the monks figure out the chan Hung broke his vows.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's really bad.

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<v Speaker 3>That's yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, you lie to the Buddha. Some serious business

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>They take it seriously and they're like, no, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>you can do now, You're you're just yeah, too bad.

1:19:00.520 --> 1:19:02.680
<v Speaker 1>But chan Hung doesn't accept it, so he goes to

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<v Speaker 1>the abbot, to the abbot's body, and he's like, is

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<v Speaker 1>there anything that can be done? At first he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get an answer, and then he's like, I'll trash your

1:19:09.479 --> 1:19:14.799
<v Speaker 1>temple and he starts like smashing everything up, and finally

1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the abbots like stop throwing a tantrum, and he tells

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<v Speaker 1>him there is one way that can be saved.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the only way is by if chan Hung retrieves

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<v Speaker 1>a sacred Buddhist relic from a temple in Nepal. These

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<v Speaker 1>would be the abbot's ashes from one of his past

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<v Speaker 1>lives when he was a lama there. So let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to Nepal. Chan Hung travels by plane lands he gets

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<v Speaker 1>his bearings in Nepal and eventually he finds this temple

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<v Speaker 1>where the ashes are stored, but they apparently only show

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<v Speaker 1>up during a special magic time of day. I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's a dawn.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to shine through into this underground temple and

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to illuminate the ashes. We learned this because

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<v Speaker 2>he goes on a tour, a tour of the of

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<v Speaker 2>the temple, and there's a tour guide that's informing him

1:20:14.200 --> 1:20:17.000
<v Speaker 2>as well as like there's a Western tourist lady there

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and we get the full rundown on this place.

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<v Speaker 1>So he does the self surgery, He puts the amulet

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<v Speaker 1>inside his body, and he goes in during the off

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<v Speaker 1>hours to collect the ashes. But he is not alone there.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, he deals with some magic, some magical

1:20:33.880 --> 1:20:37.400
<v Speaker 1>security measures where there is like a statue at this

1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:42.559
<v Speaker 1>big Buddhist shrine that starts yelling intruder alert, intruder alert, which.

1:20:42.360 --> 1:20:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Is so good, yes, yes, And then like the statue,

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<v Speaker 2>a multi arm statue comes alive, so we have like

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<v Speaker 2>a Nepalese Buddhist automaton here that is going to do

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<v Speaker 2>battle with him, but he makes pretty short work of these.

1:20:58.080 --> 1:21:00.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how much of that is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's just far above them at this point, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't like the way the effects came together, or

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<v Speaker 2>we just we were running along on time here and

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<v Speaker 2>we just needed to get to the final conflict, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the evil Wizard's demonus appears. I don't know, Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to describe this? I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>how to begin.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, skimpy outfit, high heels like a crazy golden crown.

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<v Speaker 2>She has a long appears to have elongated arms at

1:21:29.280 --> 1:21:33.080
<v Speaker 2>first glance, and I guess does, but her arms terminate

1:21:33.160 --> 1:21:37.040
<v Speaker 2>in skeletal claw hands that are either extensions of her

1:21:37.200 --> 1:21:43.599
<v Speaker 2>arms or being used as weapons. Anyway, A very glamorous, sexy,

1:21:43.840 --> 1:21:49.040
<v Speaker 2>hellish entrance here for our final boss, equal parts alluring

1:21:49.120 --> 1:21:52.320
<v Speaker 2>and revolting, all at once, and of course illuminated in

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of cool, green and red gels.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I can't describe everything that happens in this conflict,

1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:05.640
<v Speaker 1>but among other things, she shoots detachable alligator armor hands

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<v Speaker 1>at our hero, and they grab Chan Hung's chest and

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<v Speaker 1>grip his pectoral muscles and cut them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Later on they're gonna crawl around on the ground and

1:22:15.000 --> 1:22:16.040
<v Speaker 2>then hold him in place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she creates a giant crocodile that crawls on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor and attacks him. Yes, he escapes the giant crocodile,

1:22:25.479 --> 1:22:30.080
<v Speaker 1>but then she grabs his head with her legs and

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<v Speaker 1>then he is like pinned down on the ground by

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<v Speaker 1>the hands, and then, oh god, I forget what happens after. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>she puts the caterpillars on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so she kind of she gives him like a

1:22:40.280 --> 1:22:43.280
<v Speaker 2>thigh squeeze and like kind of shimmys around, and then

1:22:43.320 --> 1:22:46.960
<v Speaker 2>she stands over him and she continues to shimmy and

1:22:47.040 --> 1:22:49.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of do a little sexy dance, but then makes

1:22:49.240 --> 1:22:52.400
<v Speaker 2>caterpillars rain down on him. Yeah, and they crawl over

1:22:52.439 --> 1:22:55.120
<v Speaker 2>his body and then they begin to crawl into his

1:22:55.280 --> 1:22:58.600
<v Speaker 2>nostrils and into his ears. Yes, so we get a

1:22:58.600 --> 1:23:01.160
<v Speaker 2>little wrath of Khan energy in this picture as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there is a kind of intervention right from

1:23:03.960 --> 1:23:08.840
<v Speaker 1>the shrine itself because the light comes in and it uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it awakens the spirit of the Lama. Did you understand

1:23:12.600 --> 1:23:13.400
<v Speaker 1>it that way as well?

1:23:13.479 --> 1:23:13.679
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And then the Lama kind of like rides down on

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<v Speaker 2>like a tramas like a laser palanquin and and interferes

1:23:24.080 --> 1:23:28.599
<v Speaker 2>like saves him from the demoness. And then the demons

1:23:29.600 --> 1:23:32.479
<v Speaker 2>battles the Lama uh, and they have this kind of

1:23:32.560 --> 1:23:36.680
<v Speaker 2>like super magical energy stand off. He wins and he

1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:38.519
<v Speaker 2>because she tries to like wrap him up in her

1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:41.240
<v Speaker 2>hair and then he just like pulls her hair and

1:23:41.280 --> 1:23:46.960
<v Speaker 2>her skin off, and that causes her to then flail skinless, uh, defleshed,

1:23:47.280 --> 1:23:49.640
<v Speaker 2>and fall back onto the floor where she begins to

1:23:49.680 --> 1:23:52.599
<v Speaker 2>writhe in agony. But oh, she looks like over yet.

1:23:52.840 --> 1:23:55.439
<v Speaker 1>No, no, but there she looks like just one sniff

1:23:55.479 --> 1:23:57.040
<v Speaker 1>of that fog and your inside out.

1:23:57.400 --> 1:23:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she does look like she looks like she's inside

1:24:00.160 --> 1:24:03.880
<v Speaker 2>out a little bit like slim good body too, full body,

1:24:03.880 --> 1:24:07.400
<v Speaker 2>slim good body, just writhing on the floor. And she

1:24:07.439 --> 1:24:11.240
<v Speaker 2>begins to leak purple slime everywhere, like the purple slime

1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:13.160
<v Speaker 2>falling out of her body.

1:24:13.120 --> 1:24:17.120
<v Speaker 1>And then gives birth to three plastic bags full of eyeballs,

1:24:17.160 --> 1:24:20.439
<v Speaker 1>which walk around on the floor and then expand and

1:24:20.520 --> 1:24:24.720
<v Speaker 1>turned into turn into putty mummies that are going and

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<v Speaker 1>then they turn into the three wizards. That's where they were, okay,

1:24:29.479 --> 1:24:33.640
<v Speaker 1>But then then they produce knives and stab themselves. One

1:24:33.680 --> 1:24:36.280
<v Speaker 1>of them cuts open his belly. The other two cut

1:24:36.320 --> 1:24:39.080
<v Speaker 1>off their own fingers and bleed on the guy's belly,

1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:45.439
<v Speaker 1>and then that turns his body into little eyeball brontosauruses

1:24:45.560 --> 1:24:46.719
<v Speaker 1>that attack on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, little pink demons that look kind of like bronosauruses.

1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:53.880
<v Speaker 2>I've also seen them described as poodle demons. And they

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<v Speaker 2>began to they begin to begin to crawl toward the Lama,

1:24:58.520 --> 1:25:01.080
<v Speaker 2>and I mean, at this point, we're just in such

1:25:01.160 --> 1:25:05.120
<v Speaker 2>crazy town it's almost senseless to try and make any

1:25:05.160 --> 1:25:08.520
<v Speaker 2>sense out of it. This is just like crazy wizard nonsense.

1:25:08.600 --> 1:25:11.680
<v Speaker 2>But my interpretation is that in this fact, this is

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<v Speaker 2>in this final transformation on the part of the Dark Wizards,

1:25:14.680 --> 1:25:17.200
<v Speaker 2>it's like a last ditch effort to assume a very

1:25:17.240 --> 1:25:22.320
<v Speaker 2>particular specialized range spell casting demon form, three of them,

1:25:22.439 --> 1:25:24.680
<v Speaker 2>one for each of them, that might allow them to

1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:28.400
<v Speaker 2>take out their enemy. So they begin blasting their eyeball

1:25:28.560 --> 1:25:32.160
<v Speaker 2>bolts at the Llama, and I don't know, maybe they've

1:25:32.200 --> 1:25:34.840
<v Speaker 2>got a chance, maybe they don't. But that's not how

1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:38.280
<v Speaker 2>it goes down, because the Lama then causes the statues

1:25:38.760 --> 1:25:44.080
<v Speaker 2>in the temple to fling their vadras, these little you know,

1:25:44.120 --> 1:25:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Buddhist thunderbolts artifacts at the Pink demons, which then cause

1:25:50.200 --> 1:25:52.439
<v Speaker 2>the Pink demons to explode, killing them.

1:25:52.880 --> 1:25:55.360
<v Speaker 1>And that is our final victory over evil here.

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<v Speaker 2>And to be clear, the Pink demons very much wind

1:25:58.800 --> 1:26:02.400
<v Speaker 2>up toys, getting into that wind up toy energy that

1:26:02.439 --> 1:26:05.400
<v Speaker 2>we keep experiencing throughout the picture.

1:26:05.680 --> 1:26:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to because I have to be clear,

1:26:09.000 --> 1:26:11.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not an expert in this in any way. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to overseell the cultural authenticity of the

1:26:16.120 --> 1:26:19.960
<v Speaker 1>magic depicted here, but I am struck by how much

1:26:20.240 --> 1:26:26.120
<v Speaker 1>more specifically Buddhist in flavor the magic and the magical

1:26:26.160 --> 1:26:29.320
<v Speaker 1>conflict in this movie is when compared to the magic

1:26:29.360 --> 1:26:32.120
<v Speaker 1>you'd see in a lot of other movies. That is, often,

1:26:32.920 --> 1:26:36.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, a lot of the specific real world

1:26:36.640 --> 1:26:40.400
<v Speaker 1>religious imagery or connections feels de emphasized in favor of

1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:41.879
<v Speaker 1>a kind of generic appeal.

1:26:42.720 --> 1:26:43.360
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

1:26:43.880 --> 1:26:45.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know what you mean. This is something we

1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:50.880
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed to a lesser extent in the Indian horror movie

1:26:50.920 --> 1:26:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Perana Mandir, in which you know, they're using very like

1:26:54.360 --> 1:27:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Hindu iconography to overcome spirits of evil. So it is

1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>it is nice to get supernatural horror outside of the

1:27:05.320 --> 1:27:08.639
<v Speaker 2>traditional Western Christian motifs that.

1:27:08.680 --> 1:27:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Has some cultural specifics actually in it.

1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like it, Like with these Vadra artifacts serving

1:27:15.640 --> 1:27:18.639
<v Speaker 2>as holy hand grenades to blow up the pink demons. Yes,

1:27:19.120 --> 1:27:22.759
<v Speaker 2>but with this I believe, and the movie seems to believe,

1:27:23.200 --> 1:27:27.000
<v Speaker 2>the evil Wizards are now completely defeated. Wizard number one,

1:27:27.280 --> 1:27:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Dead Wizard number two, Dead Wizards three, four and five

1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:37.759
<v Speaker 2>Dead demon s sorceress from beyond the Grave also return

1:27:37.840 --> 1:27:38.719
<v Speaker 2>to being full dead.

1:27:39.080 --> 1:27:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the abbot can at least attain immortality, in

1:27:43.080 --> 1:27:45.360
<v Speaker 1>which case, I don't know, maybe he could help again

1:27:45.400 --> 1:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>if more wizards appear.

1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:47.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:27:47.800 --> 1:27:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we see the eyes open on the Abbot's body,

1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and then the eyes of our hero are also cured

1:27:55.360 --> 1:27:57.439
<v Speaker 2>and he's able to We actually get a nice little

1:27:57.439 --> 1:27:59.840
<v Speaker 2>scene there at the end where the monks are coming

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<v Speaker 2>in to pray in front of the abbot's body and

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<v Speaker 2>he gets up and he walks out the door.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually before that we see him, there's like happy music playing, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we finally did it. As our hero is pulling needles

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<v Speaker 1>out of his eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Very long needles, like oh yeah, supernatural needles being you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's necessarily pulling them, He's coming like

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<v Speaker 2>magically excreting them straight through his eyelids.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So just a little last bit of holy body are.

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<v Speaker 1>Made me think of those tear drinking moths we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about last week for their the poking their proboscess into

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<v Speaker 1>the eyeball. Okay, well that is the boxer z Omen.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely yes, sights and sounds well beyond anything you've tested.

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<v Speaker 2>Highly recommend this one for anyone out there, though, if

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<v Speaker 2>you've listened to it all the way here, I think

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<v Speaker 2>at this point either you are pretty clear this is

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<v Speaker 2>not a film you want to see, or this is

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<v Speaker 2>a film you absolutely have to see, or I think

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<v Speaker 2>in many cases you have seen the film, you love it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just wanted to hear our thoughts on all

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<v Speaker 2>of the just sheer insanity that occurs in this.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie overflowing with ritual madness. I wonder if I would

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<v Speaker 1>like recommendations from listeners for movies that show not just

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<v Speaker 1>the use of magic, you know, like people casting spells

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<v Speaker 1>and power emanating from them, that show not just the

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<v Speaker 1>magical effects, but spend as much attention on the process

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<v Speaker 1>of acquiring magic power, or of like the recipes for

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<v Speaker 1>spells as this movie does.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd be hard pressed to think of one. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I more readily think of examples of the opposite, where

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<v Speaker 2>wizards and witches just do things and you don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know much about the preparation that goes into them. There's

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<v Speaker 2>probably too much of that, whereas I mean, really this

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<v Speaker 2>gets down to the sort of the Shakespearean roots, right

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<v Speaker 2>where you know everything that's going in the Witch's cauldron.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's right. Actually, Yeah, Boxer's Omen in the tradition

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<v Speaker 1>of Macbeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you could also think of this as a as

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<v Speaker 2>a black magic procedural, very obsessed with all the steps

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<v Speaker 2>that go into casting your dark, dank magics. So indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have suggestions for other examples of this or

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<v Speaker 2>counterexamples right in, we would.

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<v Speaker 3>Love to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to close out this episode. Yeah, we'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from everyone out there if you have thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>on the boxers Omen, other films by this filmmaker, or

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<v Speaker 2>just other great recommendations from Hong Kong cinema in general.

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<v Speaker 3>Right in.

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