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Speaker 2: to episode three hundred and seven of Hurdle, a wellness

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Speaker 2: from their highest ties and toughest moments to essential tips

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Speaker 2: We all go through our fair share of hurdles. My

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Speaker 2: For today's episode, I am chatting with Nikita Dukero. She

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Speaker 2: For today's conversation, we really dial in on Nikita's experience

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Nikita Ducuro. She is a

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Speaker 2: How are we feeling today?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like I don't know why I was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just happened, But it obviously happened for you

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Speaker 1: It's been pretty cool. Like like you said, when I started,

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Speaker 1: just it's so cool. It's so so much fun. Like

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Speaker 2: When did you realize that, as an endurance athlete, you

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Speaker 2: It makes me reflect on when I decided that I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Like there is definitely still kind of

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445
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446
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Speaker 1: And you know, especially with Red Bull, that was like

447
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448
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Speaker 1: So when that came in, you know, right before the Olympics,

449
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Speaker 1: it was just I mean it was just a dream.

450
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Speaker 1: And having you know, a sponsor that doesn't just they

451
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452
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453
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Speaker 1: all of that or the support we get, like the

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456
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457
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458
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459
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462
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497
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Speaker 2: little bit about what the training is like for your sport,

498
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 2: because I'm sure there are many people listening to this

499
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: that have absolutely no concept of what goes into it.

500
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty funny because like there there's

501
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: still is not really like a set way of doing

502
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: things for BMX freestyle, Like there's no program that's been

503
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: figured out to be the best, and everyone has very

504
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: different ways of doing things. For me, you know, I

505
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: think at the at the very top of it, fike

506
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: time is always the most important, Like the more time

507
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: you spend actually riding your bike, the better you will be.

508
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: And then it's just a matter of like longevity, staying

509
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: healthy and stuff, and so getting into the gym and

510
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, doing strength programs, mobility, injury prevention, just that

511
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: type of stuff, like staying healthy overall. That's kind of

512
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: my goal, you know, making sure that I can get

513
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: through like a sixty second run and have the energy

514
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: to do all my tricks, because not only are we

515
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: kind of we're basically sprinting for sixty seconds, but we're

516
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: also flinging this piece of metal around at the same time.

517
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Speaker 2: For those that don't really have an understanding of how

518
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: one competes in bmax, can you shuttle the litle bit

519
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: of light on that.

520
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically, we have a skate park, just imagine

521
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: like a really big skate park, and we have sixty

522
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: seconds to get around the whole park in any way

523
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: we choose. There's no set direction or path or anything.

524
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: Each rider can create their individual line, they can choose

525
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: whatever tricks they want to do, so everyone has like

526
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: a very different style and you just have sixty seconds

527
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: to do as many tricks as you can make it

528
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: look as good as possible and not crash, and then

529
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: you get scored on that. Again, you know, it's a

530
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: judge sport, so there's no set points or anything for

531
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: specific tricks. It's really just up to the judges at

532
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: that competition pretty exciting.

533
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: And does the fact that it is no set scoring

534
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: system so to speak, does that make competing feel a

535
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: little bit more uncertain when you go into something like

536
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: the Olympics and you don't I don't know how many

537
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: points the same trick is going to get you there

538
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: compared to what you may have gotten another time.

539
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, there's always that bit of uncertainty because it

540
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: can just depend on who the judges are, how they're

541
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: feeling that day. Like you never really know. But at

542
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: the same time, like, I think it's still better than

543
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: like if our sport became about set points for set tricks,

544
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: because it would take out so much creativity and so yeah,

545
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: you kind of, you know, there's pros and cons for sure,

546
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: but I think just kind of embracing that, knowing that

547
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: it is kind of you never quite know what's going

548
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: to happen, and just focusing on like doing your best,

549
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: really leaning into your own style so that you stand

550
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Speaker 1: out from the other writers the end of the day,

551
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: it's like anyone could could have a good day.

552
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: Anyone can have a good day.

553
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Speaker 2: And this kind of brings us back to that conversation

554
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: around anxiety, right, because all you can do is show

555
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: up on any given day and give it your best,

556
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: and some days your best is going to look entirely

557
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: different than it did another or it will in three

558
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: days from now, and that's fine, right. It requires a

559
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: certain amount of grace and also is an important example

560
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: of why it's good to know yourself for sure.

561
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of grace, you know. That's that's something

562
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: that I've you know, really had to work on to

563
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: is just not beating myself up, because, like you said, like,

564
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: some days your best is gonna be a very different

565
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: level than other days, and just being okay with that

566
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: and doing whatever your best is in that in that

567
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: moment in time. And then yeah, just at competitions and stuff,

568
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: it's at the end of the day, like, yes, you

569
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: kind of need to see a little bit of what

570
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Speaker 1: people are doing to make sure you're staying in that

571
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: group that level of riding. But then at the end

572
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: of the day, it's kind of like you have to

573
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: just focus on yourself and putting down the best thing

574
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: you could do because you're not next to people, you're

575
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: not racing people, you're not it's just you. It's just

576
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: one person on the course. So all you can do

577
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: is your best and focus on that, do everything that

578
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: you possibly can to look good, feel good everything, and

579
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: then at the end of the day kind of you

580
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: just have to step back and the rest is not

581
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: in your control. And what the judges do, do what

582
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: they do, do what they do.

583
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Speaker 3: It's interesting.

584
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: I just got back from the Olympic Trials for Track

585
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: and field, and it's a very different scenario right in

586
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: that you have the prelims and then you have the

587
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: semi and then you have the final, and each athlete

588
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 2: is going to give a different amount of effort in

589
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Speaker 2: those races. Accordingly, it sounds to me, and please correct

590
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, that.

591
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: That might not really be the case. For BMX.

592
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 2: It's like you show up and you just kind of

593
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: have one year. It's what do you have today to give?

594
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: To give it all you've got?

595
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to a certain extent, yes, But there's

596
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: also so when we have qualifying, they take the average

597
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: of both scores. Okay, so there you kind of do

598
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: have to dial it back, but not too much because

599
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: if you crash, you won't make it to finals, so

600
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 1: you can't take as many risks. You really have to

601
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: be conservative. And then once you get to finals, it's

602
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: just your best run, so then you can kind of

603
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: let loose. You have two chances. But then there's still

604
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: moments where like say, for example, in this last event

605
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Speaker 1: in finals, I messed up on my first run, and

606
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Speaker 1: normally my plan is like, Okay, I have a first

607
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: run to put a score down, and then my second

608
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: run I can try to improve, but I can do

609
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: some more riskier things. This event, I didn't do my

610
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: first run as planned, and so for my second run.

611
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: I had to decide do I still go for the

612
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: riskier one risk crashing and basically being at the bottom

613
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: of the list, or do I opt for a little

614
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: bit of a safer run. I don't get to do

615
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Speaker 1: everything I wanted to do, so I know I'm not

616
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: going to make it to the podium, but I can

617
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: end up in the middle of the pack. And so

618
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: there is still kind of that game you have to

619
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Speaker 1: play of like where do I want to finish? What's

620
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: more important in this moment? You kind of have to

621
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: make decisions based off of that.

622
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Speaker 3: What did you choose.

623
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Speaker 1: I went with a bit of a safer run because

624
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: for that event, I needed to be in the top

625
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: six ticket.

626
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: To Paris, to get to Paris.

627
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so at that point it was like, Okay, the

628
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: one individual podium doesn't mean as much as kind of

629
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: the overall picture here. So I wanted to try and

630
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think I was in like tenth place.

631
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: I was like, let me try and get up a

632
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: little bit and better that score. And it works.

633
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it paid off. It paid off.

634
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: I want to go back to our conversation earlier when

635
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: I said that I wanted to talk to you about

636
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: the difference between fear and anxiety because they are wildly different.

637
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: I go to the gym and I remember something like

638
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: the first time that I finally was able to do

639
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: a box jump after so many times of jumping off

640
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: on a soft box and landing on my shins right,

641
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: and there's so much fear that surrounds this.

642
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 3: Unknown movement for you.

643
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: Not only are there unknown movements, but you've got it

644
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: like a whole tool that gives you access to these movements.

645
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: Do you remember at first nailing some of those first

646
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: tricks and how you got to a place where you

647
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: were capable of befriending fear.

648
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, with our sport, you become so

649
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: passionate about it and kind of that dry I have

650
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: to learn these new tricks that once you kind of

651
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: lok into that and become so focused, everything kind of

652
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: goes out the window. And a lot of times it's

653
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: just getting that first one out of the way, and

654
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: so you know, that can involve all sorts of things.

655
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: For me, it seriously depends on the day. I sometimes

656
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: I have that feeling like I really want to do it,

657
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: and I just I know I need a little bit

658
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: of extra motivation, so I'll like make a deal with

659
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: my coach, like if I don't drop in and do

660
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: it right now, I have to give you one hundred

661
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: dollars just because I know I know that I'll like

662
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: put that pressure on of like I have this one chance.

663
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: I can't roll up to it and then decide like, no,

664
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it this time. Sometimes it's

665
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: just about like I said earlier, like the saying the

666
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: positive things to like remind yourself as you're going to it,

667
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: so you don't have time to decide no and like

668
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: veer off. But yeah, I think it's just you really

669
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: have to like trick your mind to get that first

670
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: run out of the way, and then I think a

671
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: lot of the time, once you do, then you're in it.

672
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: You're a lot of times it's like hard to stop

673
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: until you get it. It's just like kind of like

674
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: an addiction, like you just you don't want to you

675
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: don't want to put it down until you've like accomplished

676
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: that goal.

677
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: And in BMX, is it like creating muscle patterns. So

678
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: an example, again, if we're gonna bring it to a

679
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: conventional gym setting, someone says, I can't do a pull

680
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: up until they can one day right, and then they

681
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: can do pull ups in BMX. Are there certain tricks

682
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: or certain things that you do that you develop that

683
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: muscle memory and then it unlocks a whole new suite

684
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: of opportunities for sure.

685
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's it's so much about repetition, and yeah,

686
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: there's tricks now that I remember, like a year ago,

687
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: made absolutely no sense, and now I can do I

688
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: don't even think about it when I do it. So

689
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: it's it really is with I would say, you know,

690
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: ninety percent of tricks, it's just about figuring it out

691
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: somewhat so you're at the point where you can try it,

692
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: and then once you get that one, you just have

693
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: to keep doing it over and over and over again

694
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: until it becomes second nature.

695
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: When things go wrong, and I'm sure that it happens.

696
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: Talk to me about your relationship with getting up after falling.

697
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's such a huge part of it.

698
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: We fall pretty much every day. Luckily for the most part,

699
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's not something that ends are riding. So

700
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: it's really just I think we learned so much about

701
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: you just get up, you get up, and you try

702
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: it again, and whether it's like right, away so you

703
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: don't have time to think, or if you need time

704
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: to stop and maybe watch the video and analyze so

705
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: you can adjust. Everyone has a bit of a different approach.

706
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: I use all of those approaches depending on the day

707
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: or what trick I'm doing. But yeah, I feel like

708
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: I've it's taught me to like transfer that into life

709
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: as well, because like learning a trick, you seriously you

710
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: know you'll be there for like three hours trying to

711
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: think over and over and over again and just slamming

712
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: and slamming and slamming, but get that reward at the end.

713
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: You get that feeling of like accomplishment and not giving up,

714
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: and it's such a good feeling.

715
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 3: What do you do when you don't land it?

716
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure there are days where you're going and

717
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: going and going and it's just not clicking. And then

718
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: has that as well transferred into the rest of your life.

719
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: For sure, Like there's definitely days where things aren't working,

720
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: and not even sometimes with new tricks. Sometimes it's tricks

721
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: I do every day and then I show up one

722
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: day and it's just not working. And I think for

723
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: me it's just been really important to like not let

724
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: that ruin my whole day because I used to like

725
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: hold on to that and just get so mad at

726
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: myself and frustrated and then go down this rabbit hole

727
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: of like I don't know how to ride a bike,

728
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: like what's going on? And so I really been working

729
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: on like when that happens, just accepting it for that

730
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: day and reminding myself that sometimes it just doesn't work,

731
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you go to the gym and you feel

732
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: like crap and you can't do the way you normally do,

733
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: and it's the same thing, So just kind of letting

734
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: it go, saying like Okay, I'll just revisit this tomorrow,

735
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: come back, try it again and ninety nine percent of

736
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: the time and come back tomorrow, and it's like like

737
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: that works. Yeah, No, just accepting it and yeah, not

738
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: letting it completely consume you and drag you down this

739
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: like big hole of negative thoughts.

740
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: Right, And that hole is like so easy to trip into, right.

741
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: The trick beating don't let a bad minute make for

742
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: a bad day, like that one minute is such a

743
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: small part of the bigger picture, but when you're in

744
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: the thick of it, it doesn't feel like that, right,

745
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: And that's entirely understandable.

746
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: We are the sum of all of our minutes.

747
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: We're not the sum of one bad thing that happens

748
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: in the blip of an eye and the blink of

749
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: an eye.

750
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's important to like step back and like

751
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: see everything and not just that one moment that you're

752
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: so like tunneled into.

753
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: Which is challenging.

754
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's so challenging, especially like when you really

755
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: want something right. But this goes back to that conversation

756
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: of thoughts and feelings and understanding that we have the

757
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: opportunity to respond to our thoughts and that we can

758
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: feel all of these different ways, and all these feelings

759
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: are entirely valid, but we are also not our feelings.

760
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: So knowing that talking about feelings talk to me a

761
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: little bit about how you're feeling right now. This episode's

762
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 2: going to come out before you hit the park in Paris.

763
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: So where are we at?

764
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I think I'm just you know, trying to

765
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: keep having fun writing. I'm gonna go back to Europe

766
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: on Sunday, spend the rest of the time there with

767
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: my coach writing like three different parks, so just kind

768
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 1: of like dialing everything in, having fun and I'm looking

769
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: forward to like seeing the course. We haven't seen the

770
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: course yet, so that's going to be a bit of

771
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: a surprise. Hopefully we'll see it soon so we can

772
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, really dial in those last few things. But

773
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be amazing just to be

774
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: at another Olympics, to like have it in Paris where

775
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: the location is everything. It's just it's sick.

776
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

777
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: And for you, are you a big visualization person, do

778
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: you think that seeing that course is going to enable

779
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: you or empower you to act think be a little

780
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: bit different.

781
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm definitely a visualizer, like ahead of time, not so

782
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: much like the pictures of the course are always very

783
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: different from how it feels, so I try not to

784
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: like get too deep into it ahead of time based

785
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: off the picture. I wait till like the first practice

786
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: and then I can really know like how it feels,

787
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: what I like, what I don't like. But then once

788
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: I do that, then you know, I'll work on my

789
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: routine with my coach and at that point then it's

790
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: like full on visualizing, like constantly basically riding my run

791
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: in my head up until that point that it's time

792
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: to drop in.

793
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: Right, So outside of Paris obviously an exciting time for you.

794
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 2: What else is going on in your life right now?

795
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: Is there anything else going on in your life?

796
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we have X Games now literally today,

797
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: which has been a long time coming, something that the

798
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: women's field has been waiting to be invited to. So

799
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: that's super exciting. It's super cool to be in that

800
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: first group of women that get to compete here. And

801
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: then beyond that, I mean, we still have more competitions

802
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: after Paris, and you know, I'd love to film like

803
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: some some video projects as well because I've been so

804
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: focused on like competing, just having the two Olympics like

805
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: kind of to back, because we didn't have a full

806
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: four years in between, right, so it didn't feel like

807
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: there was really a rest in between. It was just

808
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: straight back into the Olympic cycle. So yeah, I'm I

809
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: have a couple more competitions and then I'm also looking

810
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: forward to maybe having some time to do some different

811
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: things on my bike, maybe film some projects with Red Bull. Yeah,

812
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: just enjoy it.

813
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: What's changed for you since qualifying for your first Olympics.

814
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: Not too much, to be honest, Like, I definitely think

815
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: just in the world, our sport is a little more

816
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: recognized now just because people know what the Olympics are

817
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: and so it has brought maybe a little bit more

818
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: opportunities as far as like sponsorships and stuff. But on

819
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: a personal level, on a riding level, like it's kind

820
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: of stayed the same, just riding my bike every day,

821
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: same kind of training routine, just growing with myself, learning

822
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: what works, what doesn't work. And I mean, the the

823
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: level of the sport has changed. There's so many like

824
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: women and girls riding now, like young girls getting into

825
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: the sport that are so good.

826
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: How does that make you feel?

827
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's scary for us for sure, Like it

828
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: pushes us a lot, but it's cool to see having

829
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: come from that group of like the same three girls

830
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: at every competition to now like having multiple classes. There's

831
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: an amateur class, there's there's new girls that are just

832
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: entering the elite class, and yeah, it's it's pretty amazing

833
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: to see. It's where it's come.

834
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: When someone goes to your Instagram page, they see a

835
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: red bull athlete with something like eighty thousand followers that

836
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: loves to ride her bike and is excited about another

837
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: chance at the Olympics. When you look in the mirror, though, Nikita,

838
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: what is it that you see looking back at you?

839
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I definitely see just that little

840
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: girl that wanted to ride her bike in the driveway,

841
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: and I had no idea that it would that it

842
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: would bring me here, And yeah, it's just it's pretty crazy.

843
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: It still doesn't feel real all these all these different

844
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: things we're getting to do because of riding a bike. Yeah,

845
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean, at the same time,

846
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: I I really try to be transparent too on my

847
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: Instagram because I know it's easy to get caught up

848
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: in like all the perfect things and that everyone gets

849
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: to do and stuff. So I really because I enjoy

850
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: seeing it from athletes I look up too, I try

851
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: to also show the overall picture and everything, and you know,

852
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: it's the good comes with the bad, and it's important

853
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: to like embrace all sides of it because it's all

854
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: part of part of the process, part of the journey.

855
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a huge part of the reason why

856
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: you founded mind Tricks. For those that don't know, it's

857
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: another social platform in which there are different stories and

858
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 2: conversations about mental health. Why was that platform really important

859
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: for you to create.

860
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: It was important because you know, I was sharing my

861
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: own stories on my Instagram, but I thought that having

862
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: a dedicated space to continue sharing their stories and then

863
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: maybe reach out to other athletes encourage them to share

864
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: could be good. Just to encourage encourage people to share,

865
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: allow people to see that their favorite athletes also deal

866
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: with things and you know it's all not all sunshine

867
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: and rainbows all the time and it's okay, and like

868
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: that's part of it. And yeah, I just really wanted

869
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: to have a space to like encourage the conversation and

870
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: make people feel less alone in it.

871
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. Well.

872
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: I appreciate all of your openness today and talking about

873
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: the highs, the lows, the thing you're excited about, the

874
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: stuff that still scares you. I think it's super relatable

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Speaker 2: and I am sure that you have a few new

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Speaker 2: fans now that are excited to cheer you on over

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Speaker 2: in Paris. Before I let you go, I have to

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Speaker 2: ask you right now if you had an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: offer yourself a piece of advice, maybe before one of

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Speaker 2: those competitions when you're about to hit the park and

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Speaker 2: you feel like you can't go out.

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Speaker 3: There knowing what you know now, what would you tell yourself?

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Speaker 1: I think I would just tell myself, remember all the

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Speaker 1: training you've put in, and trust yourself like you, you

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Speaker 1: know what to do, and don't let the temporary negative

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Speaker 1: thoughts overshadow all of that.

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Speaker 2: Don't let them. I'm so happy that we were able

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Speaker 2: to do this, Nikita. For those that don't know, give

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Speaker 2: us your info. How do they follow along with you?

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Speaker 2: How do they keep up with you?

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Speaker 1: Most active on Instagram and it's at my first name

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Speaker 1: Nikita dot, last name do grow at Nikita dot, do

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Speaker 1: grow and then mind tricks and mind tricks is spell,

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Speaker 1: so it's mind tricks. And the first I after M

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Speaker 1: is a one is a one so the other one

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Speaker 1: wasn't available, so I was the closest we could get.

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Speaker 3: It's cute, it's edgy. I like it.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body an at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Another Hurdle Conquered. Catch you guys next time