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Speaker 1: And we're back. Welcome Bird Gang on today's show. All

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Speaker 1: Calvici joins me here on the eve of training camp,

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Speaker 1: players report on Tuesday. So what are the big questions?

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Speaker 1: Two have already been answered. Kyler Murray got his contract

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Speaker 1: and Rodney Hudson is going to play this season. Thankfully.

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Speaker 1: We'll help set the stage. But first we've got to

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Speaker 1: talk about the new alternate helmet. It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: episode five seventy one, and it starts now. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two. Hit in the backfield and Downey goes

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Speaker 1: for a loss. J J. Watt nailed it. Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: dot Com, Slash podcasts. He's at the ten half of

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Speaker 1: five peas in again. So for Harry Magic, whoa, Here's

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Speaker 1: Craig Grieloup and a word Paul Wow Sunday of the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals unveiled in Alternate Helmets, and I just have one question.

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Speaker 1: Where can I get my hands on this helmets, black helmet,

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Speaker 1: red flex It is something to behold. When you said

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Speaker 1: wow in the world, word I'm like, well, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to narrow that down. You're talking Kyler contract numbers

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Speaker 1: like dollar signs. Are you talking about the startup camp

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Speaker 1: is upon us? Or in this case, yes, it's sort

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Speaker 1: of like you have to when you buy a new

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Speaker 1: car and you read the window sticker, you know, and

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Speaker 1: all the features the shiny gloss black shell with red

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Speaker 1: black face mask and black chips. A lot has gone on,

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Speaker 1: and it's going on with this helmet, and think about it.

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Speaker 1: Here's the whole. It can only stat I didn't quite comprehend.

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Speaker 1: You knew it inherently, but I didn't realize it until

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Speaker 1: I saw it in print on easy cardinals dot Com

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Speaker 1: that the last time the Arizona Cardinals, the Cardinals is

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Speaker 1: a franchise wore a non white helmet, was the late fifties,

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight. That predates you. That's right, your darned

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Speaker 1: tuna does. The fact you had to point that out

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Speaker 1: it's understood. It predates me. Are you kidding me? So

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Speaker 1: it is gonna be strange. It's gonna be glorious in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. And I'm not necessarily in that

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Speaker 1: who have been pining for this uniform chain. That's not me. Whatever,

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Speaker 1: Just roll the ball out there, let's play. I'm not

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Speaker 1: necessarily a uniform guy, but it will be cool, especially

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Speaker 1: when you pair it up with the alternate uniform. Props

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Speaker 1: to the content team for the rollouts. The video, which

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Speaker 1: they want an upgrade. Well, there were still some fans

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Speaker 1: still upset. Okay, great, we got the where's the rest

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Speaker 1: of the just relax? Plus twelve other teams are going

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Speaker 1: to be having this second helmet, if you will, in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and I'm thoroughly impressed. It looks fantastic.

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Speaker 1: The description that you just detailed, some words that you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't you know, gradient all that stuff and the

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Speaker 1: that's pretty much everything you need to know. It is

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Speaker 1: amazing the traction that the uniform thing gets, whether it's

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Speaker 1: And it's to your point, the timing of all this

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Speaker 1: that guy? Could Isaiah Simmons be the guy that when

427
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: Sean McVay looks at the Cardinals goes, okay, let's see

428
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: what our priorities on offense? Oh, we better have an

429
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Speaker 1: answer for number nine because that dude could be anywhere

430
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: and everywhere at any time. So if I'm bands Joseph,

431
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give offenses a lot to think about

432
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Speaker 1: minus Chandler Jones in particular, because that's the risk, right

433
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: And what did Chandler Jones do for everyone else on

434
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Speaker 1: that defensive front. Just in garnering that sort of attention

435
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: on every snap, they always had to have an answer

436
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: for him, whether you know, as Andrew Whitworth was one

437
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: of the few guys or a Trent Williams who could

438
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: really block him one on one, Otherwise there was always

439
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: extra attention paid to a Chandler Jones. So with that

440
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: in mind, I'm thinking, you know what, that's feasible that

441
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Speaker 1: they're gonna turn Isaiah Simmons into the guy that when

442
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Speaker 1: the opposing quarterback breaks the huddle and he's walking up

443
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage, he's immediately got his head

444
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Speaker 1: on uswivel where is he? Where's number nine that's going

445
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: to dictate what we're doing on this now might be

446
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: the biggest question on defense, Where is Isaiah Simmons playing?

447
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: Once training camp opens, let's switch it up talk about

448
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: the offense, and of course everyone wants to know what

449
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: the offense is going to look like without DeAndre Hopkins,

450
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: and I don't think Paul, we're going to get an

451
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Speaker 1: answer in training camp. We're certainly not going to get

452
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Speaker 1: an answer during the preseason because I'm not expecting Kyle

453
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Speaker 1: Murray to play a whole lot, if at all d

454
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Speaker 1: hop maybe not either. We're not going to know that

455
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Speaker 1: answer until week one, week two, where you get a

456
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Speaker 1: handful of games. Now again he's missing six, but it's

457
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: going to be repeatedly asked of not only the head coach,

458
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: but the offensive coaches and the offensive players. What do

459
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: you do because we know what happened last season when

460
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: you did not have d hop. This offense struggled. It

461
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: can't struggle getting out of the gate this year. And

462
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Speaker 1: I sort of asked that question. It was in a

463
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: different setting in Cliff Kingsbury was talking to some business leaders.

464
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: It was sort of a Q and A and I

465
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: asked that questions sort of a roundabout way, and his

466
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: immediate answer was, well, we have Hollywood Brown now. And look,

467
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Speaker 1: if you've been out there and you've seen a media member,

468
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Speaker 1: if you've been out there and you've seen what the

469
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: Cardinals offseason consisted of, you couldn't help but be impressed

470
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: by the chemistry already between Kyler Murray and Hollywood Brown.

471
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: Makes sense. Obviously, he was a big part of Kyler's

472
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: Heisman winning campaign at Oklahoma, even before Kyler was a starter.

473
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Speaker 1: When he's backing up Baker Mayfield. You've heard Hollywood Brown

474
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Speaker 1: talk about how their game every week was just going

475
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Speaker 1: against you know, as the scout team offense going against

476
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma's first team defense. They will go after and just

477
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Speaker 1: get after it. And so when you see them in

478
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Speaker 1: action and they already have hand signals and they're making

479
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: eye contact and they're making adjustments, they already have an

480
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: understanding between them. I fully expect this to be productive

481
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: from the get go, for this to be plug and play.

482
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: Unlike bringing in a rookie first round receiver, there's gonna

483
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Speaker 1: be a learning curve, not only the offense at the

484
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: NFL in general, that's not the case here. This is

485
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: far more advanced, and I think it's gonna be far

486
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Speaker 1: more productive. And then when you see number two pushing

487
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Speaker 1: number four and vice versa, Rondale Moore, these guys already

488
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: have a good little friendly rivalry going because they have

489
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: kind of a similar skill set. And if you're going

490
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Speaker 1: to unleash Rondale more downfield more often, and we definitely

491
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: know he wants more of that. Cliff Kingsbury to Dave

492
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: Pash said, you know, and he wasn't real thrilled about

493
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Speaker 1: the manner in which we used him last year. Rondale

494
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Speaker 1: Moore sort of a horizontal guy versus a vertical guy.

495
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: To me, those are the immediate two answers in response

496
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Speaker 1: to how do you cope without DeAndre Hopkins. It's gotta

497
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Speaker 1: be Hollywood Brown and Rondale Moore the X factor here

498
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: also Paul Is zach Ertz and a full offseason with

499
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: him in the building on the football field, and it

500
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: was a target that Kyler Murray looked all repeatedly towards

501
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: zach Ertz's direction late in the season without d hop

502
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: Now you've got more pieces around them, you can be

503
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: better get figured out as far as adjusting without number

504
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: ten on the football field. But just how much do

505
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: we see zach Ertz as part of the passing game

506
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: as far as where he's lining it up as the

507
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: X receiver in this slot? Does he begin with his

508
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: hand in the dirt and then flare out over the middle?

509
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: We talked, we heard from Ertz initially how much space

510
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: he was operating with when he was running routes. I

511
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: certainly would expect that to continue even if you don't

512
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: have dehap Go back to the win and I'm looking

513
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: at it right here, I'm looking at the box score.

514
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: Week seven, Cardinals got down five nothing against the Houston Texans,

515
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: scored thirty one unanswered. They won thirty one to five

516
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: to go seven to ozo. Zach Ertz in that game

517
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: had a career long forty seven yard touchdown. Career long

518
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: forty seven yard touchdown and as quote after the game was,

519
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: I've never seen so much green grass in the middle

520
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: of the field. Why was that? Because guess what, the

521
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: Cardinals had the weapons out there that were spreading the field,

522
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: spreading the defense. DeAndre Hopkins was in that game, a

523
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Speaker 1: Rondel more so now especially with the return of de

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Speaker 1: Hoops starting Week seven this coming season. To your point,

525
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: zach Ertz is going to have so much room to

526
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: work underneath when defenses are trying to count for a

527
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: Rondel Moore and a Hollywood Brown and some of the

528
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: deep stuff and the chunk throws that they have to

529
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: be responsible for a DeAndre Hopkins always commanding extra attention,

530
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: zach Ertz, especially if they're able to flex him out,

531
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Speaker 1: if there's going to be a two tight end set,

532
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: if Trey McBride is what they think he is and

533
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: so far and talking to the coaches over the last week,

534
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: they are really excited to see what he looks like

535
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: in pads because he has fulfilled every expectation so far

536
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: as what they consider the top tight end in this

537
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: past draft, the round two selection. But yeah, zach Ertz,

538
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: and now with his knowledge of this offense and his

539
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 1: chemistry with Kyler Murray, all fantasy football people out there, boom,

540
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: you might want to think twice about Big eighty six

541
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: and just eleven games last season, Ertz had five hundred

542
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: and seventy four receiving yards and that was the most

543
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: for a Cardinals tight end since two thousand and three. Again,

544
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: he did that in just eleven games, without an off season,

545
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: without a training camp, without a preseason with his quarterbacks.

546
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Speaker 1: So just imagine what kind of numbers. Now, maybe it's

547
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: more spread out, but imagine what zach Ertz can do

548
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: and a motivated Zach Ertz coming off a contract extension.

549
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing I'll throw out there, And

550
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: when it comes into the tight end position, it's zoom

551
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: out for a little bit. Because Trey McBride and we

552
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: mentioned this a couple of times and now we get

553
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: to see it for real in training camp. What does

554
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: the offense look like with two tight ends? And when

555
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: you get Max Williams back, and although he's on pop

556
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: right now, you hope it's some point this season you

557
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: could have three viable tight ends. What does that mean?

558
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: Because what Trey McBride told the media after you was

559
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: draft to quote coach Cliff wants to disguise the offense

560
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: a little bit more end quote dang absolutely what he

561
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: said right there is something I think is going to

562
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: come to Fruition this year. And Drew Stanton has been

563
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: vocal about this. Has he not in the Red Sea

564
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: Report that with multiple tight ends you're not showing your

565
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: hand as much. It's that much more difficult for a

566
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: defense due to decipher are they running it or are

567
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: they throwing it? And when James Connor was really rolling

568
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: some of those big games was when Max Williams was

569
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: healthy and because you had a dual tight end, is

570
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: he gonna is he gonna bust the end with it

571
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: with a big time run block? Is he gonna get

572
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: downfield and be a threat in the passing game? And

573
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: just a bit of hesitation by a defense as to

574
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: what's coming runner pass is all you need. As far

575
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: as camp battles. I don't think there are a ton,

576
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: but you're looking on offense, number two running back. You know,

577
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Benjamin maybe the most talked about player this season as

578
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: far as how much attention he received and got unannounced.

579
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean, for a guy who was in the doghouse

580
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: the first two years, he got a lot of platitudes

581
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: the a saw season he did. It was the head

582
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: coach Calvin Beecham, justin Pugh all bringing up Eno Benjamin

583
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: and can he take that next step and be that

584
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: number two running back or is it a Darryl Williams?

585
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: Is it Keyante Ingram Jonathan Wards? On this roster. I'm saying,

586
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, running back, it might be the deepest position

587
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: group that this team has, regardless offense or defense. When

588
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: you look at all of them. Well, you're gonna keep

589
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: maybe four, it might be a struggle to keep five.

590
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: But can Eno Benjamin be that Chase Edmonds if you

591
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: will to James Conner, Yeah, get ready for a big

592
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: August Eno Benjamin. You're gonna get a lot of carries,

593
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a lot of touches, a lot of

594
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: opportunities to prove that what you showed this offseason wasn't

595
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: a fluke to prove that. Guess what, as a guy

596
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: who's going into the last year of that contract, you

597
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: know what, you know you're a viable option. You do

598
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: have a future in this organization. And he's got a

599
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: road to hope because of Jonathan Ward is so good

600
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: on special teams that you're gonna have to unplant that

601
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: sort of guy who has a role elsewhere. But Eno

602
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: has remedied the two deficiencies in his game. One pass

603
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: pro He's no longer a liability when it comes to

604
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: pass protection. Can't get your quarterback killed. And by all accounts,

605
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: he's made a lot of improvement in that area. And

606
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: then number two, the coaches can trust him in his playbook.

607
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: He's not a mental error waiting to happen that that's

608
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: not something they have to worry about anymore. Hence, when

609
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: you solve those two things. As a running back, now,

610
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: guess what we'll start feeding you. You can be part

611
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: of this offense. And based on what we saw a

612
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: little snippets last year. Just asked Drake Kirkpatrick when he

613
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: got trucked in the Niners game, guess what he can play?

614
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: And you know, Benjamin has talked about, and his teammates

615
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: are verified that he made a lot of those practices

616
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: as his scout team running back the last couple of years.

617
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: That was game day for him. And so when he

618
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: had his moments last year, I can't tell you how

619
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: the whole sideline came unglued. I mean, they really got

620
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: after it and how much they enjoyed watching, you know,

621
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: Benjamin excel. And I think that's because he's been one

622
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: of those guys who's earned it in practice. On the

623
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: words of Cliff Kingsbury, quote looked like he could be

624
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: a starting running back. That's about his high praise as

625
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: you're going to get from a head coach. And again

626
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: it was consistent all offseason. When he says that, though

627
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, the conspiracy theorist in me wondered, Okay,

628
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you're always on that grassy knoll. They

629
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: have a crowded running back room. As he really trying

630
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,239
Speaker 1: to prop up, you know, Benjamin, maybe a team who

631
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: has an injury situation midway through camp or nearing the

632
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: start of the regular season might be apt to make

633
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: a trade for an eno Benjamin and they get something

634
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: in return as opposed to maybe just making him a

635
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: final you know, casualty of the final fifth three. I

636
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: just it makes you wonder a little bit. Maybe what

637
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: he's telling the rest of the NFL is keep an

638
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: eye number twenty six. He can play. We don't necessarily

639
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: have room for him on this roster. Make us an

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Speaker 1: offer he could be available. They wouldn't be the first

641
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: or last time the head coach has done that sort

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Speaker 1: of working in concert with the front office, former seventh

643
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Speaker 1: round draft pick out of a sue. So look, pay

644
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Speaker 1: attention to Eno Benjamin and that number two running back position,

645
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: and you look at the offensive line, and again, I'm

646
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Speaker 1: going to bring up the conversation that you and Willfully

647
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Speaker 1: had with Steve Come on ninety eight seven FM Arizon

648
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Speaker 1: a sports station when you talk about the competition on

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Speaker 1: the O line right guard Will Hernandez, Justin Murray, and

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Speaker 1: according to Come, Josh Jones, which was a little surprising

651
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: to hear. Yes, he did play it last season, but

652
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: we were all under the assumption that perhaps it's right

653
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: tackle Kelvin Beecham and Josh Jones. So is Josh Jones

654
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Speaker 1: gonna be now working both positions at some point this

655
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: training camp? But just something to keep an eye on

656
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: bird game, because it was the general manager that brought

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00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: it up unannounced and without prompting. Yeah, I was a

658
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: little surprised. You know, Josh Jones had his ups and

659
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 1: downs last year at right guard. So and it's six

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Speaker 1: foot seven, it could be a tough put for a

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Speaker 1: guy that size to be an interior guard. I just

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Speaker 1: sort of figured after last year that he was much

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Speaker 1: more apt to be a tackle. But you need positional

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Speaker 1: flexibility today's NFL, especially when you're not a starter. You

665
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Speaker 1: got to be able to fill in virtually anywhere along

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Speaker 1: that offensive line if you want a spot on the

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Speaker 1: final rosters. So that's key. And then number two, he's

668
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Speaker 1: a young guy, former third round pick. It's coming towards

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Speaker 1: decision time. Do they invest in his future or not.

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Speaker 1: Whereas the two guys he would be competing with the

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Speaker 1: right guard, guess what, they're in the last year of

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Speaker 1: a contract, and so who is the future at that position.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like the GM Steve Kin wants another

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Speaker 1: look at Josh Jones as a guard. He's also going

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Speaker 1: to be there and penciled in behind Kelvin Beecham, I'm presuming,

676
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Speaker 1: But we'll see. I was surprised to learn that that

677
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Speaker 1: would be a three headed battle at right guard, because honestly,

678
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Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be Will Hernandez against Justin

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Speaker 1: Murray Jones. Last season nine starts at right guard, three

680
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Speaker 1: at right tackle, and he has that imposing size, but

681
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: his biggest liability he was the most penalized player on

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Speaker 1: the team. And it's not the holding calls, it's the

683
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: false start calls, when all of a sudden, first in

684
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: ten becomes first and fifteen, or second in one near

685
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: the goal line is now a second and six, and

686
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: that changes your play sheet as far as what the

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Speaker 1: head coach wants to do on offense. And once again,

688
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: if the coaches lose trust in you and you're having

689
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: those pre snap penalties and all of a sudden, your

690
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 1: offenses behind the chains before the drive even starts, Yeah,

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00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: that's how you lose the trust of a coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: So the good news is though, that's very correctable, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's something that dj mprey struggled with a

694
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Speaker 1: little bit early in his career and then he got

695
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: to handle on that. So at something obviously that you

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Speaker 1: can correct. And you know, once again, I just you

697
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Speaker 1: look at the offensive line and you see that competition

698
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball, and they need to

699
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: see it out of Josh Jones. This is a big

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Speaker 1: training camp for the young man who has a world

701
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: of talent. He has the size, he has the personality,

702
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: but they got to see it come to fruition and

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing he's going to get as many snaps as

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Speaker 1: anyone in these preseason games. Well, and the gauntlet was

705
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: laid down at the end of the season, Kingsbury said, quote,

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Speaker 1: we need him next year to really step up. The

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00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: question is has Josh Stones done that this offseason to

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Speaker 1: where maybe he has to the general manager sitting here

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Speaker 1: in this studio saying, yeah, Jones, we could see him

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Speaker 1: at right guard or right tackle. And you know what,

711
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: for everyone who says that Kyler Murray sort of keeps

712
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Speaker 1: to himself on the sideline, I would cite Josh Jones

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Speaker 1: an example. You mentioned those nine starts he had last year,

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Speaker 1: and there were times, once again where he had his

715
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Speaker 1: struggles at right guard. And when you're going against the

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donalds of the world and you're playing guard for

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Speaker 1: the first time in an NFL game, it's going to happen,

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00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: but Kyler Murray would come down, and at times there

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Speaker 1: was some tough love between the quarterback and his right guards.

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Speaker 1: So I think Josh Jones, if he has any self

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Speaker 1: awareness whatsoever, I think he realizes the magnitude of this

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Speaker 1: training camp and how much he has to prove to

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff and his quarterback. Four weeks at State

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Speaker 1: Farm Stadium plus one week a couple of practices joint

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Speaker 1: practices with the Tennessee Titans, which might be the best

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Speaker 1: practices all training camp long, including preseason actions. So those

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Speaker 1: days with the Tennessee Titans. I know it's something that

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Speaker 1: this coaching staff has wanted to do since Kingsbury arrived.

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Speaker 1: It's just not really feasible logistically to do it in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: But I'm okay with them doing it some more, or

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Speaker 1: if it's a couple of weeks somewhere else and next

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Speaker 1: season they do the Patriots always do with two or

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Speaker 1: three teams. It seems more and more clubs are looking

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Speaker 1: at those joint practices because as monotonous as training camp

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Speaker 1: begins to be after about two weeks, three weeks kind

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Speaker 1: of know what to expect, so you and you interject

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Speaker 1: that different element and see who rises. As BA like

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Speaker 1: to say, you know, when the lights are on, who plays? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you know what, it makes sense in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways that it is the Titans. First off, Cliff

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Speaker 1: Kingsberry and Mike Rabel used to be Patriots teammates for

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Speaker 1: a while, so you have that relationship between the head coaches,

743
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Speaker 1: which is vital. You got to be on the same

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00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: page right when the two head coaches, we do these

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Speaker 1: joint practices. Number two, if the Titans were the ones

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Speaker 1: who called the Cardinals said hey, you guys wanted to

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Speaker 1: get together for some joint practices, that would make sense

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Speaker 1: based on what happened last year in Week one the Titans.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we're not ready to start their season either. Cardinals

750
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Speaker 1: just went in at Jack stopped him in their own building.

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Speaker 1: So Mike Brabel's like, you know what, we keep our

752
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Speaker 1: friends closer, our enemies closer. If we want to figure

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00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: out whether we're ready to go, maybe we should practice

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Speaker 1: against these Cardinals since they're not our schedule this year,

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Speaker 1: because we know how last year started. I remember the

756
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Speaker 1: Bird Gang take it over the first couple of rows

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Speaker 1: beyond the Cardinals bench and Cardinals fans at the end

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Speaker 1: of that lobside and win by the Cardinals screaming out

759
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: at some of the Titans fans wearing jerseys, stuff like,

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00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, hey, this guy's gonna need to do team

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Speaker 1: this year. Should I give him my jersey? I mean,

762
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: Titans fans were just hearing it from the Cardinals fans

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Speaker 1: who made that road trip. So this time, Mike Brabel,

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Speaker 1: maybe he's gonna have a better sense of whether his

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Speaker 1: team is equipped and ready to start a regular season.

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Speaker 1: Instead of playing the Cardinals, you practice against him thirty

767
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Speaker 1: eight to thirteen. Maybe the biggest surprise of Week one

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Speaker 1: as far as the team and players that people were

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Speaker 1: talking about Monday morning and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: the video surface of JJ Watt to believe he was

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Speaker 1: miked up or within earshot of a microphone walking off

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Speaker 1: the field and I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but screaming

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Speaker 1: of surprise that was to be expected. That's what we do.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, well call me entertained and surprise

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00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, no doubt, And you know what that

776
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: that just demonstrates that we might think we know what

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Speaker 1: we're seeing. In a preseason you have no idea. Nobody

778
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: expected that. Nobody thought the Cardinals would go in and

779
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: just hammer Derrick Henry and just absolutely render him feeble

780
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: and useless in that game. Nobody thought the Cardinals would

781
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: win going away. Nobody thought the Cardinals would physically manhandle

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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans in that game. So, for everything we

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00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: think we know about teams in the preseason, so much

784
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: of what you see in these preseason games can be

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Speaker 1: a false positive or a false negative. You really have

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Speaker 1: no idea, and you know the inverse, Steve Wilkes, twenty eighteen.

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00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: We all felt pretty good coming out of that preseason,

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Speaker 1: and then boom, a three and thirteen season unfolds in

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Speaker 1: front of us. So everything we see here, guess what

790
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, Take it with a grain assault and just

791
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: try and gauge it accordingly as to whether it's a

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Speaker 1: full speed drill or not, are they running a vanilla

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00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: scheme or not? And then we'll just wait for the

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Speaker 1: season opener against the Kansas City Chiefs in week one. Yeah,

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00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: those hot takes, Paul, that you'll have following the first

796
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Speaker 1: padded practice when you're ready to declare ex player as

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00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl Player of twenty twenty two, by the way,

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00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: before we eat, and that's note to self. I mean

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Speaker 1: I put myself at the top of that list, by

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Speaker 1: the way. But before we head on out of here,

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Speaker 1: Paul the you know, we're all packed and ready to

802
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: go the poly Pigskin breakout player of camp, ready to

803
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: unveil that or are we still diving through your notes

804
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: and every so I got some early intel. I can't

805
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: reveal the name. He is truly way off the radar,

806
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: to the point where my boxes are bunging a little

807
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: bit going with this particular player because it is way

808
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: off the radar. But I do have until Wednesday. I've

809
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: an other forty eight hours, but upon which I avowed,

810
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: so I need to do a little more digging, a

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Speaker 1: little more research, consult with a few more sources to

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00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: confirm or deny whether I may or may not be

813
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: on the right track. Fair enough, as long as we

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Speaker 1: get it before that first official practice, which is on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: not on August twelfth. Right, Well, you've got, you know,

816
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: a week and a half into camp and you're like, okay, yeah,

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00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: that's my breakout player. Like, no, it doesn't work that way.

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Speaker 1: And once again I'm in a dry spell. I had

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Speaker 1: Joe Joe Ward. A couple of years ago, we had

820
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: Zane Lewis, the corner out of Air Force didn't work

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00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: out so well. I had Mandatory Straveler. I thought that

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Speaker 1: was a revelation for a little bit, not so much

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Speaker 1: as it turns out so really, yeah, the pressure is on.

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Speaker 1: Whereas Kyler at his press comment said, you know he

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00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: welcomes all the pressure, yours truly not so much, I

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Speaker 1: would say, yes, the pressure is definitely on Paul calBC

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Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lid on

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Speaker 1: this edition. Cardinals Covered two presented by Day, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our

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Speaker 1: executive producer Joe Molmandro. For Paul CALVISI I'm Greigorria Lou.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time from training camp Iron.

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