WEBVTT - Word From Home 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:05.640 Hey, there are folks from Italy once again. And in 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:10.479 this episode, Rabak and I explain why we really want 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.800 to get back home. Also in this episode, while we 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:16.880 kind of don't want to come home at all, and 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:20.160 with a with that, welcome to this episode of Amy 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.759 and TJ. Robys explain the setting again, where we are 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.200 and why you were you were hoping I wasn't going 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.080 to say we should record this podcast from where we 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:30.720 actually are. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.720 Yes, because the real field temperature is ninety nine degrees feel, 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.120 you know, I love the real feel, the humidity. Yes, 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:38.960 it's hot in Rome, and I know it's hot in 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.760 a lot of places, but yes, it is a hot 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:44.760 city here. And so yes, we have a lovely air 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.240 conditioned apartment that we're staying in, but we are instead 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:52.200 out on the terrace enjoying the heat that you say 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:55.080 recharges you. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.120 It is. I don't know if I'm a freak about it. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.240 I'm just the weird dude in that way. But yes, 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.640 I like when the sun hits me. It's almost like 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.480 it's an energy boost. It does. It feels like a 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.080 character on a video game where you get recharged and 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.759 you see the energy that battery level go up. That's 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:12.720 how it feels to me when the sun hits me 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:14.720 while you're trying to escape and walk in the shade. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.200 Yes, so I feel the opposite where I feel my 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.520 energy being like depleted, like it's being sucked out of me. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.720 So yes, it's a very different experience. But I am 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.679 in the shade, that's the good compromise. I'm not in 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:29.400 the sun out of balcony. Yeah. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.479 So I'm feeling good and we have had a great trip. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.720 The trips has been fantastic. There was you finally snapped 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.880 at me the other day. We're not going to get 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.760 into that now. We'll get that into that on a 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:45.080 later episode. But it's been so weird to be here 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.080 and out of pocket. When it comes to news, we 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.040 are actually in a place that we cannot watch live 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.040 local television, so we'd have to really go through an 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:56.640 effort to try to find it to figure it out. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.520 So we haven't been keeping up necessarily with the news 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.080 other than news alerts and whatnot. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.160 Be being yes, and thank goodness for those, because we 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.160 haven't even passed one newspaper. You mentioned that, you know, 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.320 we're walking the streets here and for days now and 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.080 I have not seen one newsstand. I haven't seen one newspaper, 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.119 which is maybe it's a New York thing. I don't 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.120 know that you have the expectation that you would. So 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:22.280 when we woke up this morning in Rome, yeah, we 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.640 woke up to the shocking news that I guess most 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:29.600 people saw when it happened, as it happened, former President 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.639 Trump out on the campaign rally with an assassination attempt. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.520 And we watched the video and it felt weird to 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:37.680 be so far away. 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.880 And I haven't Yeah, I'm the early rise or anybody 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.400 listened to us. No, I'm always up and awaken. I 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.440 try to leave you alone. This was one this morning. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.160 I said I needed to tell you were dead asleep, yep, 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.360 And I just wanted to pass that along. Do you remember, though, 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.720 you had a little time now to take it in 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.720 and we talked about it and what did it being 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:59.960 all these things, but with that first reaction of your 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:01.919 was when you heard it, Well. 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.440 It just makes you feel sick, sick that we're in 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:09.000 a place where that could still happen. And that's scary 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.880 to me because I actually, because I am older than you, 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:16.800 I so remember the last presidential assassination attempt, which was 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.720 President Ronald Reagan. And I believe I might be fact 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.320 checked on this one, but I was in second grade, 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.440 so it was nineteen eighty one, nineteen eighty two. It 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.359 was between the two of those, and I remember as 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:32.520 a kid being scared and feeling threatened and feeling just 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:37.160 it was. It's alarming, and it makes you feel insecure 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:38.320 in every way. 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.400 It doesn't happen to us. That's the thing. We see 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.400 this stuff happening overseas. We have seen it happen other 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.800 countries and places that are unstable. The fact that someone 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:50.560 actually took a shot at President Trump and almost killed him. 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:55.800 Now for a worst case scenario, it was a millimeter away, 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.520 best case scenario, even it was inches away. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.000 Either way, an inch away the most it could. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.040 We almost had a president's or candidate killed. It's just 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.880 that feeling of that January sixth feeling, or you're watching 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.160 live images of Wait a minute, this is the United States, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:12.800 this is happening. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:13.720 How is this happening? 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.480 How is that happening? This is not a political thing. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:20.240 This is not a whatever you think about him, everything 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.400 about Biden, that's not what it's about. How the hell 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:23.200 are we here? 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.800 But the scary thing is you know that that's what 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.200 it's all going to be about. That's the thing. You know, 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.960 whatever the intention and whatever the motive, you know, we 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:33.920 may never fully know. We'll have to wait and see 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:35.720 on that. I know, we just got worried that the 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:40.280 shooter at the alleged shooter was reportedly a registered Republican, 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.880 So I mean, who knows what was behind the shooting. 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:47.760 But regardless, this is going to be a disgusting political 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.680 football that is going to be thrown around in such 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.200 a sad way. I think it's just been really sad 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:58.080 to watch all of the coverage and where we are 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.120 as a nation. It's it's credibly alarming, and to see 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.840 it result in this kind of violence for whatever reason 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:08.720 is deeply, deeply disturbing. There's no one who loves our 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:13.480 country who shouldn't be massively concerned about where we are 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:14.360 and where we're headed. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.719 You know, we talked about that. I wonder and everybody 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.520 ask yourself an honest question. When you heard that President 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.240 Trump that somebody took a shot at him, what was 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.040 your reaction? Also when you heard that he has survived 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.479 the attempt, what was your reaction? I don't need do 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:28.880 You don't need to go post it, you don't need 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.320 to go talk about it. Daniel, just ask yourself where 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:36.200 you are personally to hear when you heard that somebody 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.040 took a shot at a guy that's running for president, 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.800 and if you're react, I don't know. I just wonder 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.800 how people being honest with themselves. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.200 The concern that I think you're referencing is when you're 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.120 asking yourself, was there a part of you, yes, that 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.560 was deeply disturbed and scared and upset and saddened, or 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.680 was there a part of you that had an opposite feeling? 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.279 Like that's an indication that we're not looking at people 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.240 candidates as human beings. And I think because we get 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:08.080 so desensitized by our political beliefs or what news we 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.480 choose to look at or use for our point of reference, 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.840 you get into this tribal mentality where it's us versus them, 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.960 and then you almost you feel something that is less 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.680 than human about other people. And that is what's scary 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:22.960 to me. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.240 And so yeah, here we are, right. If there's somebody 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:27.760 on the other side of that say, oh, they took 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.400 a shot at our guy, then I guess came on, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.240 like you take a shot at their guy. This is 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.599 what we're doing now, and I just it's not what 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.200 we do. I don't know what's going on with this 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.160 young man, how disturbed he might have been, how he 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.440 could have been influenced. All those answers will come, but 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.000 there's just it's nineteen fifty years ago. It's just it's 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.080 not what we do. It's not at all what we're 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.440 supposed to be doing. And the image that we you 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.359 and I, we don't have politics here, right, but that 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.719 image now of President Trump, blood coming down his ear, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.480 his face and he's actually putting his fists in the 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.880 air saying fight Now, that image is iconic. It will 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:11.080 go down in the history of this country. But there's 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:16.360 somebody out there, there's somebodies out there who see that 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.800 as maybe a rallying crime. You get concerned about he 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.760 just gave me my marching orders, and you're worried that 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.120 there's another disturbed individual out there who will see it 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:26.640 as such. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.160 I think you and I and I know that I 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:35.400 can speak to my career in journalism and having covered gosh, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.520 I just feel like so many school shootings and terror attacks, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:43.360 it's just it's scary. It's alarming. We know, like as journalists, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.040 we don't cover suicides because we don't want to inspire 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.280 other people to do the same for some sort of 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.280 glorifying effect. The same is true now. When we got 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.880 to a point where we were covering so many mass shootings, 0:07:55.920 --> 0:08:00.880 school shootings to whatever, domestic terrorism, we stopped talking about 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:02.880 the shooter, which I'm not even gonna mention his name 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.600 here on this podcast for that very reason, because you 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.920 don't want people to think they then get some sort 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.679 of fame, some infamy, some you know, something that puts 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.080 their name in the history book. So it's just it 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.440 is scary to me with something like this that there 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:23.840 are potentially copycat or retaliatory potential here. It's just scary. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.680 The whole thing is just frightening. And to be overseas 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.280 and to be disconnected from the States just feels a 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:29.960 little strange. 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:32.440 You know, what does it feel like that to you there? 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.680 It's been a couple of these have happened, I suppose, 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:41.120 but we know, given the positions we had our former jobs, 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.760 when news happens, we were gone, we were on the road. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:45.920 This is unlike so we've seen so many things like 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:47.920 we would have been there, we would have been covering that, 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.520 and you we don't see it and we say I 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:51.920 could have done a better job, and that kind of 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:53.480 a thing. But you just look at it and feel 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.679 like you're on the outs from what you from what 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.720 you used to do. Yeah, i'd be honest with yourself 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.800 about that sometimes how that feels. But you also have 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.840 to be and you and I have come it to 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.280 peace with it, but that thing still is kind of 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.960 there sometimes when the story some stories this big happened. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.880 Yeah, as an adult, if oh, in the last twenty years, 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.000 if anything major happened, yeah, I would have assumed that 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.439 I was going to be on a plane heading somewhere. Yeah, 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.400 So it's it is different and no matter where I 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.800 was in the world, I'd be on a plane heading wherever. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.560 So just you know, to not But it's been interesting 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.400 watching the car. We've been able to watch a little 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:27.200 bit of coverage. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:31.560 There's only one actually network we can get on our laptop, 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.319 and it's interesting watching that, right, that's the. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.000 One we can watch here in nationals. So we've been 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:40.280 watching Fox News's coverage of the attempted assassination, and that's 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.080 you know, that's that's what we've been doing for several 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.160 hours here in Rome, watching it from Afar. But yes, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.000 and just interestingly, both of my daughters are in Europe too, 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:53.160 so we've all been just texting each other about what happened. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.800 And you know, I don't. It's weird because we're here 0:09:56.480 --> 0:10:02.320 and there aren't interestingly that many Americans, and it you 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.640 wouldn't know anything had happened in the world from being 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.360 out today just seeing everyone. It's a sunday here in Rome. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:14.040 And it's because maybe because we don't have access to newspapers, 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.240 we haven't seen them there. It's you would never have 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.079 known if we hadn't had these smartphones, if you didn't 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.400 have news alerts on your phones, like you would not 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.440 know that anything had happened, which is kind of insane. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.920 It stings, I mean, it sucks to be. It's a 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.320 weird thing to where you you all obviously were not 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.000 the people that the country turns to, right, it's not 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.840 that kind of a situation, but you feel like something 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.040 is going on at home. We need to get home, right, 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.240 we need to it just it's a weird thing. You 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.240 feel like that, almost as if like you're something happened 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:45.880 with your kid at home. I got to cut the 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.160 trip short. Need to get back. It feels like a 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.800 weird thing about the United States is Jesus crime any 0:10:52.160 --> 0:11:03.199 I know. That's where we're going. The bad news just 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.240 keeps coming. Now, that's an awful story there when I 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.960 say the bad news keeps coming in that since we've 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:14.920 got here, legends have been falling. Yeah, legends. And if 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.320 you all can hear in the back drop, we got 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:17.800 another A lot of churches here. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:22.040 Church, yes, they they happen quite frequently on the hour. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.200 Actually, what would you compare it to in the United States? 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.439 Church is here as much as the Starbucks is in Manhattan. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.040 I mean it's yes, I know this is is this 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.160 called the Enlightened City, but I feel like it's a 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.760 holy It's obviously a holy city. But there are basilicas everywhere. 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.920 I think we have two basilicas just that I can 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.240 see right now. There are domes and you laugh because 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:41.200 I love saying that word. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.360 You see, Yes, basilically. 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:46.800 There are so many around here. But yes, the church 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.960 best soul. And then apropos today. Apropos today, just because 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:55.600 I think also catching up on news. You know, I 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:57.559 don't know if it's there's any truth to this, and 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.680 if this was anything outside of the New World, but 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.920 in our world, in the news world, we used to 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.800 always say people died in threes, and so if there 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.319 was somebody important who died in the second person, you 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.640 always knew there was a third. But we've actually had 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.560 four people who have passed in the last four days 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.280 that have been just such a huge part of our 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.640 culture and our lives in a lot of ways, personally 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.680 for me one of them, but just in so many ways, 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.800 people who we grew up with, who we looked up to. 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.960 And it started July eleventh, correct, when we lost Shelley Duval. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.599 Shelley July eleventh, Shelley de Val, July twelfth. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:42.200 July twelfth was doctor Ruth. Thirteenth, that was Richard Simmons. 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:43.960 And then July fourteenth, which is we got. 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.600 Up to the news Shannon Doherty. 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.800 Shannon Doherty. So that's four straight days. Wow, four folks 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:53.760 who not just these folks aren't just famous, These folks 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.280 are legendary. These folks are iconic, part of something arconic. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.920 They have they have been cultural game changes. It's bizarre. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.880 Boom boom boom boom, and it's been weird to get 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.280 the the news every day. Of course, go back to 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.720 Chilley Devall. We have anybody who listens knows where horror 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:16.000 movie horror movie fanatics, and if the Shining on your. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:20.280 List, yeah, I mean she and she just nailed that 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:25.400 role and just such an iconic part of that movie. 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.120 But just anyone who loves horror movies, you know who 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.200 Chelley Devall is. You saw her genius in that movie 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.360 and she will be sorely. But she was seventy six, 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.200 I believe, So she was so young when she did 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.080 The Shining. I was thinking back to how young she 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:40.959 was at that point. 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.199 Wow, yeah, I didn't realize how because when you when 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.320 you just told me short time ago she was seventy six, 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.120 Like really that's it these days, that seems young and 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.280 she's just been around so long that I'm shocked that 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.200 that was her age. And we of course Shining. But 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.360 as a kid, I mean Popeye was a big deal. 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.199 Well she was all its olive oil. 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.000 And to uh yeah, I was two or three when 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.840 that movie came out, Robin Williams as freaking Popeye and 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.160 it was a favorite for me as a kid. But 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.800 she she had a unique look to her. She was talented, 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.840 and olive oil was the character. It seems like I 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.560 think even the producer director that this was she was 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:21.600 born to play Olive Oils. 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:22.120 She really was. 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.800 It sounds like a weird compliment, but it is a compliment. 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.480 And she she will be missed. And I think we're 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.760 going to be watching the shining here and the next 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.240 day to you know, we're going to do that. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.480 Yes, And then so doctor Ruth Nix, that's. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:41.440 Amazing, incredible, incredible, and she helped so many couples, so 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.800 many ways. I actually, did you ever get to interview her? 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.880 I met so she. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:50.320 Came on MSNBC. Uh, I don't even know, way back when, 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.960 and she was just always, oh my goodness. And I 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:59.920 remember she was just bold and a believer in talking 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.840 about sex in a way that nobody was ready to 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.440 I certainly was it raised that way. And I loved 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:10.800 her just pushing a topic and a concept and something 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.360 that is so important that we don't talk about. I 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:14.680 love how she rushed it. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.160 I have it right. She wasn't, she wasn't vulgar. She 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.960 was just talking about it at a time where women 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.120 were not supposed to be talking about such things, right, correct? 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.440 So these days a A, A Megan the Stallion or 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.480 a right, we talk about we celebrate women who are 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.120 so open about there about sex, about sexuality. I only 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.360 mentioned two rappers there, but I mean, yeah, from TV 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.040 shows to who whatever it may be, she was doing 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:42.000 it before all of them. 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.680 Yeah, And I remember she made me blush like I 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.960 just thought, oh my gosh. Wow. But and she lived 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.120 a long, beautiful life. 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.080 What did she say to you to make you blushed? 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.760 Well, honestly, oh my god. Being raised the way I was, no, no, no, no, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.040 just saying the word sex, like what did you just say? No? 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.160 She was won and she did change so many people's 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.240 lives for the better. So she is also and the 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.760 work she did in the books she wrote live on 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:10.840 and that is her legend for sure. 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.680 A life, a long life. There's a And again I 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:19.240 know Shelley de Vall, Richard Simmons, doctor Ruth Shannon Doherty. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:19.440 This. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:24.680 Anytime somebody passes, it's it's supposed to be sad. It's 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.640 supposed to me, and it should be. We're gonna miss 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.280 But I was raised in such a way and many 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.960 folks I know, I've never been to a sad funeral. 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:38.360 All right, they're homegoing celebrations and they're almost parties. All 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.280 the funerals I've gone to, I applaud, I celebrate Shelley Devall, 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.040 Richard Simmons, doctor Ruth, Shannon Doherty and all they've done. 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.920 But I you said it to me. You walked in 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.280 here a short time ago. Inside you were I think 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.400 you were reading about Shannon Doherty, and you came in. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.960 You gave me a big hug, and you said, I 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.000 am so happy to be with here, with you here, 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.560 and I love you. And you said it was because 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:02.840 of all this stuff you had been reading. And I 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.080 get that, and that's okay to get those reminders, but damn, 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.200 we shouldn't have to have somebody pass before we realize 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:10.080 we should live. 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:15.000 Yes, And I think my point is I hate that 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.560 that always or can be the impetus. But sometimes, you know, 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.280 when something that sad does occur, when we do lose 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.119 someone who was or people who were so important to 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.919 part of our culture and remind us, maybe take us 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.960 back to a time, you know, when we were younger 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:31.840 or freer, or what we learned from them. You know, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.200 I think Richard Simmons does that for so many people. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.000 He inspired so many people to lose weight with his 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.000 story and put himself out there in a way and 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.560 and and kind of flew his flag that was different 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.919 than everyone else's and didn't care and did it anyway 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.359 with those short shorts and just being his sassy self 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.040 at a time where that wasn't necessarily celebrated. And I 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.280 always thought he was such a cool individual who I 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.679 think obviously struggled with so much but shared it with 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:00.639 people so they didn't feel alone. And that was a 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.800 part of the connection that so many people had with him. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:05.560 What was that what we were talking about? I think 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.679 I was talking about Jeff Goblum and Kevin Bacon yea, 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.760 and people can think what they want about them, but 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.560 they reached I was asking you, how do you get 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:15.640 to this like beloved level? Richard Simmons now you're talking 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.560 about was just beloved. What time did you ever think 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.639 about Richard Simmons that you didn't feel good or smile. 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.040 Because he was so vulnerable, Like he was vulnerable and 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.080 then you know, and then at the end of his life, 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.480 I remember it was just sad to me because he wanted, 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.600 for whatever reason, to just to not be in the 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:39.560 public eye, which I get. He gave so much of 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.359 his life to other people and too celebrating other people 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.920 that people wanted him to keep being that person for them, 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.359 but he needed to do what he needed to do 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:52.840 for himself. And yeah, I just you know, I applauded 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.720 his choice to do that, and people thought it was 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.600 strange and wanted to put all these conspiracy theories behind it. 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.440 But I was able to actually talk. We of course 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.600 at ABC News, we were trying to get the interview 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.359 when that was all being speculated speculated about, and I 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.359 remember getting to talk to his publicist, one of his 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.679 dear friends, and he assured me, he's fine, this is 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.199 his choice, and you know, we obviously we let it go. 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.879 I was like, that's good to hear. And I remember thinking, like, 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.240 I hope that's true, and I certainly hope it was 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:23.360 till the end. 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:28.320 But yeah, he's seventy six. There's nothing if I just say, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:29.600 Richard Simmons. 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:30.719 To anybody, he smiled. 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.960 Whatever comes to your whatever image is going to be 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:34.359 a positive one. A You're gonna smile. 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.640 And I think about those striped shorts, and I think 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:36.960 about the. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.200 Energy he was. I never saw him down. I mean, 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:44.080 I know everybody's got their personal whatever, but I just 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:46.680 the light he brought to the world from a guy 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.840 like me who never watched a Richard Simmons workout video, 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.639 went into the oldies, who never met him, never talked 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.960 to him, never did anything related to him, but love him. 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.680 Yeah, I've love that, and that's that's an impact. That's 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:13.000 his legacy. And Shanna Doherty, that one has been hard 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.399 for me today. And you asked like you're like robes, 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.119